Rings seal better when under load rather than just turning it. plus hydrogen is like propane or natural gas runs cleaner. gasoline has varnish in it wich makes deposits.
you'll care when it hits the piston . but i do like your hho design ,i'm makeing one for my jeep ,if you have the manuf number send it to me i want to know why they have such an obtrusive plug and that little bit won't increase the compression .if you really want to do something ,polish the piston top and the intake port , i'm definatly not trying to bust your balls like the other jerkoff i see on your wall i build A/A fuel dragster engines and would terribly hate to see your new engine blow-up
@hookuspookus529 well yes I would care if it hit, but it doesnt hit, that would be pretty funny for the manufacturer to ship out the generators with a plug in conflict with the piston, hehe, that would be a laugh. I milled the head to increase the comp rati, but now I have to get a hotter spark, and its been low on the to do list for a while now.
@hookuspookus529 no its not, and it really doesnt matter. If anything it is better for this application because it takes up volume and increases the comp ratio. Plus it puts the spark further into the center of the piston. Again go call the engineer who spec'ed that plug, had the manufacturer buy 100's of thousands of them and install them. I personally dont care.
What is your setup for the Hydrogen like? Did you alter any of the mechanical parts? Im new to the Hydrogen engine setup. What is the compression ratio?
@Pyroscopy comp ratio was 8.5 to 1 in these videos. nothing was altered at all it was bone stock, well the method of carburetion was altered of course
°well one problem with your statement is that H+ is a proton. it is near impossible to contain H+ when out of solution.
next ionizing the hydrogen would also cause more energy loss 131.2kJ per mole, or ~131,200,000 Jules per kilogram.
finally the exothermic reaction of atomic hydrogen like I said has been experimentally observed. IE the problems with BoseEinstein condensates of hydrogen. at less than 20°K atomic hydrogen still formed the H2 molecule.
first of it's not HHO it's a mixture of O2 and H2. next if I'm hearing you right you are using an electrologists device to produce the gasses. you do realize how wasteful that is right.
first, I want you to prove that it is a mixture of h2 and o2.
Next I want you to watch some more of my videos as far as how wasteful it is. I know exactly what the energies involved are, but I also know a few more things about engines and fuels.
I also wat you to find some reference material on the subject I was working on. If any existed I would not of had to field test the data to know what is now common knowledge in the area of HHO.
I don't have to prove it free atoms of hydrogen and oxygen will bond with other atoms of hydrogen and oxygen at room temperature thats just chemistry.
next there is data on the efficiency of electrolysis and of hydrogen in combustion engines.
finally why bother with your other videos. you give no indication of being any more informed or intelligent then the people who put a jar of water under their hood and then think that their car is more efficient instead of just running lean dew to the modifications to their oxygen censer.
dude I'm an out of work engineer. what am I supposed to do between looking for a job and playing video games.
messing with designs and seeing designs from others is interesting. but that leads to claims from people who think that electrolysis is the answer wile ignoring problems like the latent heat of water that needs to be compensated for or just inefficiency in the hydrogen burning and water splitting processes.
then do the job of an engineer, and tell me all of the standard info that they have taught you. And when your done doing that we can talk about reality. If the two are the same then great, but saying that I am wrong or wasting time with no backup, is very weak. As it stands I have credibility, and you don't. So please put yourself on the board.
sir you just lost all credibility to anyone with sense. I listen to the research and I study. if you have a claim back it up. my claim from the beginning has been that the energy wasted in any electrolysis system can be measured. I mentioned one waist of energy in the latent heat of water and how that is 9040KJ for every kilogram of hydrogen used.
And thats all you have stated, some number you read in a book while at school getting your degree. Can you answer this, how much energy can YOU successfully extract using hydrogen as your fuel.
Electrolysis is a means to an end ie, I can make all the hydrogen I want, And I dont have to store it, regulate it.
Again You sir have no practical experience, I can care less for your projected math, applied science is where my boot hits the ground, or other objects.
9040kj per kg and H2 has an energy content of 130 000 000 joule per kg , so lets see we are losing.0069% to latent heat of water, compared to other fuels and the latent heat of their byproducts. You Sir have ZERO credibility here, you can toss your degree out the window, it means nothing to me. What YOU HAVE done, or can actually prove and show is important, other than that, just keep on moving.
there is all so the fact that waist heat is generated in any electrolysis system and plenty of inefficiency in internal combustion but given I don't have you're devices to test I can only estimate them. BTW. nice antiknowledge stance you got there. the phrase on the shoulders of giants comes to mind.
If I am standing on someones shoulders, at least I am trying to reach up to the next ledge.
Waste heat in an electrolysis device, huh, you really have no working knowledge of these devices do you. Is there heat, sometimes, but is it waste heat, not always. Again why dont you use what you paid for. if your an engineer, then you have been taught how to think critically, and how to perform calcs, and observations. So stop using someone elses mind, and use yours.
the facts are every Jule expended in the production doesn't go into the engine, and every Jule that is used to heat the engine doesn't get used to turn the crank shaft.
now look actually take time to understand my comment before just tossing out that I'm not thinking for myself. ether that or just block me as I don't want to bother with someone who is disconnected from reality.
@DonHoraldo I havent blocked you yet, you have not been rude. Expressing your thoughts is fine.
Argueing against entropy, in this case in a sense yes, entropy is the breakdown of basic elementary parts, and systems, this is not that.
But if you mean am I argueing against ineff. and loses due to the physical limitations of reality, then no I am not. But I am advocating that you look at it with your own eyes, and not take everything your told as fact.
I encourage all to question everything, and to prove as much as possible in reality. For instance when looking into using hydrogen in an engine, everyone always stated the 2 to 1 H to O. Yes I do understand that it has a wide range of burnable mixtures, but no one discusses the ratio at which an engine begins to run, and no one discusses its properties at that time.
Again I say this, I established knowledge, and let others learn it, but try to find it elsewhere.
where are you located? if it's not too far I could run some tests on your setup.other wise I must rely on simple calculations.
but can you do me one favor. could you at least change the name HHO is so wrong its painful. I know H2+O2 isn't as catchy but really HHO makes you sound like a guy with measuring spoons in a pickle jar.
then what's your problem with my first comment? the facts are that the theoretical maximum for a electrolysis devices is 94% of the energy put in being stored as chemical energy in hydrogen, and burning has a maximum of 70% of initial energy put into the hydrogen, then take into consideration the inefficiency of the internal combustion engine itself. you've lost 30% even before the piston even starts moving. 50% efficiency for the engine is generous so 15% original energy being used for work.
@DonHoraldo The problem is that I can get more than 15% of the original energy in electricity, and thats after an 80% conversion from kinetic to magnetic to electrical. By the way, you are assuming that the energy lost in the engine is lost as heat, what the videos, I am not lossing that mch to heat. My problem is that you have not tested it, I have. And I have found the assumptions to be wrong, very very wrong. Currently I am working out of town, so it wouldnt be possible to do that.
I also have to update the ignition system, since I modified the engine, the higher compression has killed the stock ignition. That costs money, of which I am low on lately.
In order for me to consider it H2 and O2 I would have to see that proven. I know for a fact that the H is removed in the singular, and that leaves me with the hho. H2O where as is the common name for water, really should be HOH given its config, and sometimes it is refered to this
The biggest point I have is to not take anything for granted, if your going to test something, start at the begining and prove it all. I still have a lot to prove, but I am limited on time and money. But I do know that the H content of the total intake volume needs to be around 13%, the O is around 27% and the rest is nitrogen. Before I tested it that was not common knowledge.
look up the reactivity of atomic hydrogen. it will react with it's self at just a few degrees kelvin. but if you want to test it, create a hydrogen laser and analyze the spectrum. other than that not much you can do to test if it's atomic or molecular hydrogen.
@DonHoraldo My records are within these videos, and in my notebooks, I can get them to you if you PM me an email address. As far as knowing if its HHO or H2 o2, it much easier than laser spectrum analysis, mass to volume will tell the answer, I just don't have the eq. 22.4L of gas will have a mass of one or the other depending. again science lets me down, have anyone verified what is made.
I am in southern cali, SD, yes H is reactive, but if it is ionized this can prevent it from its normal activity. If it does react with itself, then I want to see where someone have calced the energy output of that reaction, ad calced the temp increase of the hho output gas. In all my electro research no one accounts for that energy output. again, sloppy assed science, or its not doing it.
we have science that analyzes many things, but where is the detailed work on electrolysis? Point me in the direction that takes its from water, through all the steps, with all the math, back to water. And then show me the most important part, the detailed recording of experiments done to confirm those projections. Sorry but I havent seen them, which looks to me like weak science.
Oh crap, really? man I guess I will have to stop. Dang it. Are you sure? I mean are you really really sure? I like to bleed for lords as much as the next guy, but....
When using HHO, don't allow any air or more O2. This add less power to the exploding hho. My external combustion chamber use no other air intake to get the max output of power.
I have test data to show the contrary. do you have any comparison data between testing with pure hho and hho/air mixes. I would love to see any data/videos you may have on the subject.
BTW what is the displacement/power output of your engine? Do you have any videos of it running?
I've got an old carbureted chevy 454 from 1983....think I can convert it to run purely on hho without hurting it? I know how to do the separation and all that....just need to know if it would even be worth it for me. (By the way...I plan on separating it with a machine that isn't placed or used in the vehicle.)
it would take a huge huge huge huge amount of hho to run a 454. And a monsterous amount of steeless steel. a chevy just isnt design to run hho really well.
well I was plannin on runnin it in my old '83 gmc suburban 3/4th ton (sierra 2500, 2wd, total wieght is 5600 lbs). my fuel tank supports a total of 45 gallons so if there's a way to make it into a liquid form and run off of that then I'd have no problem with that. As far as the amount of steel goes...that's not a problem either as I live pretty close to a junkyard and my best friend is an awsome welder. think that makes it any better? (500 bucks worth of steel isn't too much for me)
Back in the old days we used to pour water in the carburetors to clean the carbon out of engines, if it's hot won't hurt a thing,, a small amount of water actually "packs" the mixture water smoothing flame propogation as I was told way back when and or methanol injection was very popular in WWII aircraft to stop detonation.
Keep you your excellent work I know this is late just found this stuff. I did some H2 injection way back when also, no O was afraid of the "mix"
I have access to an excellent machinist here in Arizona who also happens to be an wizard at automotive electrics and rewinding alternators. If I can be of some help, let me know.
I have been concerned about hydrogen brittleness. So I started looking around the net.
I am not a mechanical engineer, but from what I have read, engine valves have a hardness of between 28-30 HRC, and that hydrogen brittleness is not a problem for metals with hardness less than 30 HRC. So, I do not believe that hydrogen brittleness should become a problem. This is good if it is correct.
didn't look to be, looked like some deposits from running my cells too hard and having liquid go into the engine, but it breaks off easy so it will proly fall off while running, just like the carbon.
hmmm, well for data collection yup, for experiemental test setups sure, but I have to break out the 8" cells to get the title back completely, maybe I will cheat a bit, and run two 120v circuits and run all 4 cells :). I think the next set of tests will have to do with gas eff. with a load, why not?
5 stars for quality testing. I have a similar engine from either Northern Tool or Harbor Freight, and am doing my own testing. Tell me - have you played with the timing for HHO operation yet? The spark happens in these small engs around 5 degrees prior to "top dead center" at idle, but HHO is much more combustible than gas... Have you retarded the timing any? Might help get rid of that "knocking" i hear in the video. Not an easy thing to do with a magneto engine and 2 sparks per cycle...
the video is deceiving, its not knocking thats just sheet metal making noise. The other testbed engine has varable timing, and I found that when mixed with air it ran just fine at about stock timing. Once I go to a cam sensor operation I will play with timing, but theres a lot to do before that. That will be part of the "tuning" tests which will happen at the end of this series, after we have pushed the engine as far as it can go
koh is a base, yes and it reacts with most metals to form a metal oxide and leave K there. But I don't understand the comment? battery acid is corrosive too, its all a matter of containment.
its clean as a dinner plate before dinner on the top of the piston. Oil too, I will try another long run soon. actually correction, I will run it on gas for a lot of hours, then tear the head off again and show what it does, then do a long run on hho and see what happens. Thats good info to have right there.
Being a chinese ohv motor the crud on intake valve looks like oil from intake valve seals. Also most small engines went to chomoly type 2nd ring wich takes alot of breakin. to speed up ring seal use non detergent 30w oil.valve seal problem isnt a lot u can do about. looks kinda like a methanol engine very clean. How was oil? if a crap chinese engine can handle hho this well we can expect much more from better engine. Thanks for sharing this with us d3. 5 stars
Rings seal better when under load rather than just turning it. plus hydrogen is like propane or natural gas runs cleaner. gasoline has varnish in it wich makes deposits.
chuckbear1961 5 months ago
you'll care when it hits the piston . but i do like your hho design ,i'm makeing one for my jeep ,if you have the manuf number send it to me i want to know why they have such an obtrusive plug and that little bit won't increase the compression .if you really want to do something ,polish the piston top and the intake port , i'm definatly not trying to bust your balls like the other jerkoff i see on your wall i build A/A fuel dragster engines and would terribly hate to see your new engine blow-up
hookuspookus529 1 year ago
@hookuspookus529 well yes I would care if it hit, but it doesnt hit, that would be pretty funny for the manufacturer to ship out the generators with a plug in conflict with the piston, hehe, that would be a laugh. I milled the head to increase the comp rati, but now I have to get a hotter spark, and its been low on the to do list for a while now.
d3adp001 1 year ago
that is the wrong plug , too long
hookuspookus529 1 year ago
@hookuspookus529 no its not, and it really doesnt matter. If anything it is better for this application because it takes up volume and increases the comp ratio. Plus it puts the spark further into the center of the piston. Again go call the engineer who spec'ed that plug, had the manufacturer buy 100's of thousands of them and install them. I personally dont care.
d3adp001 1 year ago
wrong spark plug dude , no plug should go that far into the head
hookuspookus529 1 year ago
@hookuspookus529 talk to the engineers dude, they put it in.
d3adp001 1 year ago
What is your setup for the Hydrogen like? Did you alter any of the mechanical parts? Im new to the Hydrogen engine setup. What is the compression ratio?
Pyroscopy 1 year ago
@Pyroscopy comp ratio was 8.5 to 1 in these videos. nothing was altered at all it was bone stock, well the method of carburetion was altered of course
d3adp001 1 year ago
°well one problem with your statement is that H+ is a proton. it is near impossible to contain H+ when out of solution.
next ionizing the hydrogen would also cause more energy loss 131.2kJ per mole, or ~131,200,000 Jules per kilogram.
finally the exothermic reaction of atomic hydrogen like I said has been experimentally observed. IE the problems with BoseEinstein condensates of hydrogen. at less than 20°K atomic hydrogen still formed the H2 molecule.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
first of it's not HHO it's a mixture of O2 and H2. next if I'm hearing you right you are using an electrologists device to produce the gasses. you do realize how wasteful that is right.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
first, I want you to prove that it is a mixture of h2 and o2.
Next I want you to watch some more of my videos as far as how wasteful it is. I know exactly what the energies involved are, but I also know a few more things about engines and fuels.
I also wat you to find some reference material on the subject I was working on. If any existed I would not of had to field test the data to know what is now common knowledge in the area of HHO.
d3adp001 2 years ago
I don't have to prove it free atoms of hydrogen and oxygen will bond with other atoms of hydrogen and oxygen at room temperature thats just chemistry.
next there is data on the efficiency of electrolysis and of hydrogen in combustion engines.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
finally why bother with your other videos. you give no indication of being any more informed or intelligent then the people who put a jar of water under their hood and then think that their car is more efficient instead of just running lean dew to the modifications to their oxygen censer.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
well since you know everything, then just keep moving on. Why are you wasting your time watching my lame videos.
d3adp001 2 years ago
dude I'm an out of work engineer. what am I supposed to do between looking for a job and playing video games.
messing with designs and seeing designs from others is interesting. but that leads to claims from people who think that electrolysis is the answer wile ignoring problems like the latent heat of water that needs to be compensated for or just inefficiency in the hydrogen burning and water splitting processes.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
then do the job of an engineer, and tell me all of the standard info that they have taught you. And when your done doing that we can talk about reality. If the two are the same then great, but saying that I am wrong or wasting time with no backup, is very weak. As it stands I have credibility, and you don't. So please put yourself on the board.
d3adp001 2 years ago
sir you just lost all credibility to anyone with sense. I listen to the research and I study. if you have a claim back it up. my claim from the beginning has been that the energy wasted in any electrolysis system can be measured. I mentioned one waist of energy in the latent heat of water and how that is 9040KJ for every kilogram of hydrogen used.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
And thats all you have stated, some number you read in a book while at school getting your degree. Can you answer this, how much energy can YOU successfully extract using hydrogen as your fuel.
Electrolysis is a means to an end ie, I can make all the hydrogen I want, And I dont have to store it, regulate it.
Again You sir have no practical experience, I can care less for your projected math, applied science is where my boot hits the ground, or other objects.
d3adp001 2 years ago
9040kj per kg and H2 has an energy content of 130 000 000 joule per kg , so lets see we are losing.0069% to latent heat of water, compared to other fuels and the latent heat of their byproducts. You Sir have ZERO credibility here, you can toss your degree out the window, it means nothing to me. What YOU HAVE done, or can actually prove and show is important, other than that, just keep on moving.
d3adp001 2 years ago
there is all so the fact that waist heat is generated in any electrolysis system and plenty of inefficiency in internal combustion but given I don't have you're devices to test I can only estimate them. BTW. nice antiknowledge stance you got there. the phrase on the shoulders of giants comes to mind.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
If I am standing on someones shoulders, at least I am trying to reach up to the next ledge.
Waste heat in an electrolysis device, huh, you really have no working knowledge of these devices do you. Is there heat, sometimes, but is it waste heat, not always. Again why dont you use what you paid for. if your an engineer, then you have been taught how to think critically, and how to perform calcs, and observations. So stop using someone elses mind, and use yours.
d3adp001 2 years ago
are you really arguing against entropy?
the facts are every Jule expended in the production doesn't go into the engine, and every Jule that is used to heat the engine doesn't get used to turn the crank shaft.
now look actually take time to understand my comment before just tossing out that I'm not thinking for myself. ether that or just block me as I don't want to bother with someone who is disconnected from reality.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
@DonHoraldo I havent blocked you yet, you have not been rude. Expressing your thoughts is fine.
Argueing against entropy, in this case in a sense yes, entropy is the breakdown of basic elementary parts, and systems, this is not that.
But if you mean am I argueing against ineff. and loses due to the physical limitations of reality, then no I am not. But I am advocating that you look at it with your own eyes, and not take everything your told as fact.
d3adp001 2 years ago
I encourage all to question everything, and to prove as much as possible in reality. For instance when looking into using hydrogen in an engine, everyone always stated the 2 to 1 H to O. Yes I do understand that it has a wide range of burnable mixtures, but no one discusses the ratio at which an engine begins to run, and no one discusses its properties at that time.
Again I say this, I established knowledge, and let others learn it, but try to find it elsewhere.
d3adp001 2 years ago
where are you located? if it's not too far I could run some tests on your setup.other wise I must rely on simple calculations.
but can you do me one favor. could you at least change the name HHO is so wrong its painful. I know H2+O2 isn't as catchy but really HHO makes you sound like a guy with measuring spoons in a pickle jar.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
then what's your problem with my first comment? the facts are that the theoretical maximum for a electrolysis devices is 94% of the energy put in being stored as chemical energy in hydrogen, and burning has a maximum of 70% of initial energy put into the hydrogen, then take into consideration the inefficiency of the internal combustion engine itself. you've lost 30% even before the piston even starts moving. 50% efficiency for the engine is generous so 15% original energy being used for work.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
@DonHoraldo The problem is that I can get more than 15% of the original energy in electricity, and thats after an 80% conversion from kinetic to magnetic to electrical. By the way, you are assuming that the energy lost in the engine is lost as heat, what the videos, I am not lossing that mch to heat. My problem is that you have not tested it, I have. And I have found the assumptions to be wrong, very very wrong. Currently I am working out of town, so it wouldnt be possible to do that.
d3adp001 2 years ago
I also have to update the ignition system, since I modified the engine, the higher compression has killed the stock ignition. That costs money, of which I am low on lately.
In order for me to consider it H2 and O2 I would have to see that proven. I know for a fact that the H is removed in the singular, and that leaves me with the hho. H2O where as is the common name for water, really should be HOH given its config, and sometimes it is refered to this
d3adp001 2 years ago
The biggest point I have is to not take anything for granted, if your going to test something, start at the begining and prove it all. I still have a lot to prove, but I am limited on time and money. But I do know that the H content of the total intake volume needs to be around 13%, the O is around 27% and the rest is nitrogen. Before I tested it that was not common knowledge.
d3adp001 2 years ago
look up the reactivity of atomic hydrogen. it will react with it's self at just a few degrees kelvin. but if you want to test it, create a hydrogen laser and analyze the spectrum. other than that not much you can do to test if it's atomic or molecular hydrogen.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
if you can just give a general area where town is maybe a later time.
but back to point where are your records. do you have them in one place that I can look at.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
@DonHoraldo My records are within these videos, and in my notebooks, I can get them to you if you PM me an email address. As far as knowing if its HHO or H2 o2, it much easier than laser spectrum analysis, mass to volume will tell the answer, I just don't have the eq. 22.4L of gas will have a mass of one or the other depending. again science lets me down, have anyone verified what is made.
d3adp001 2 years ago
I am in southern cali, SD, yes H is reactive, but if it is ionized this can prevent it from its normal activity. If it does react with itself, then I want to see where someone have calced the energy output of that reaction, ad calced the temp increase of the hho output gas. In all my electro research no one accounts for that energy output. again, sloppy assed science, or its not doing it.
d3adp001 2 years ago
we have science that analyzes many things, but where is the detailed work on electrolysis? Point me in the direction that takes its from water, through all the steps, with all the math, back to water. And then show me the most important part, the detailed recording of experiments done to confirm those projections. Sorry but I havent seen them, which looks to me like weak science.
d3adp001 2 years ago
exact opposite side of the country. as much as I'd like to leave the Boston winter to test your device right now I just can't afford that.
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
@DonHoraldo if you could the weather is great, ave 67-70 lately. it dips to a frigded 50 at night.
I will do my best to get you all the data I can provide.
d3adp001 2 years ago
that's summer
DonHoraldo 2 years ago
nah summer gets into the 90s with an occasional 100.
d3adp001 2 years ago
stop what u are doing NOW !!! i like to pay for gas !!!
WONDOCTORJ 2 years ago
Oh crap, really? man I guess I will have to stop. Dang it. Are you sure? I mean are you really really sure? I like to bleed for lords as much as the next guy, but....
hehehehe
d3adp001 2 years ago
When using HHO, don't allow any air or more O2. This add less power to the exploding hho. My external combustion chamber use no other air intake to get the max output of power.
RotaryPistonEngine 3 years ago
I have test data to show the contrary. do you have any comparison data between testing with pure hho and hho/air mixes. I would love to see any data/videos you may have on the subject.
BTW what is the displacement/power output of your engine? Do you have any videos of it running?
d3adp001 3 years ago
I've got an old carbureted chevy 454 from 1983....think I can convert it to run purely on hho without hurting it? I know how to do the separation and all that....just need to know if it would even be worth it for me. (By the way...I plan on separating it with a machine that isn't placed or used in the vehicle.)
Kazae666 3 years ago
it would take a huge huge huge huge amount of hho to run a 454. And a monsterous amount of steeless steel. a chevy just isnt design to run hho really well.
d3adp001 3 years ago
well I was plannin on runnin it in my old '83 gmc suburban 3/4th ton (sierra 2500, 2wd, total wieght is 5600 lbs). my fuel tank supports a total of 45 gallons so if there's a way to make it into a liquid form and run off of that then I'd have no problem with that. As far as the amount of steel goes...that's not a problem either as I live pretty close to a junkyard and my best friend is an awsome welder. think that makes it any better? (500 bucks worth of steel isn't too much for me)
Kazae666 3 years ago
I would suggest trying a smaller engine first to get a feel for whats going on.,
d3adp001 3 years ago
what would be your take on getting more MPG , kinda hybrid system for a 4.2 liter I-6 in a trailblazer
pyrositytube 2 years ago
your engine is oiling up because you are impoding. a vacuum is now created in the cylinder.
minidish 3 years ago
all engines leave oil on the side walls, exspecially ones with loose fitting rings and pistons.
d3adp001 3 years ago
But, it will be more now because of the timing.
Just trying to help.
Your Video endorsed all data I had. Thanks.
minidish 3 years ago
if it's a new engine the rings won't be cut in yet. so it will use extra oil for the first 25 hours or so. Being oily is a GOOD sign tho.
maxrisc 3 years ago
Back in the old days we used to pour water in the carburetors to clean the carbon out of engines, if it's hot won't hurt a thing,, a small amount of water actually "packs" the mixture water smoothing flame propogation as I was told way back when and or methanol injection was very popular in WWII aircraft to stop detonation.
Keep you your excellent work I know this is late just found this stuff. I did some H2 injection way back when also, no O was afraid of the "mix"
dumdan1988 3 years ago
I have access to an excellent machinist here in Arizona who also happens to be an wizard at automotive electrics and rewinding alternators. If I can be of some help, let me know.
muleindeyard 3 years ago
By the way,
ASTM B 850 is the Standard Guide for Post-Coating Treatments of Steel for Reducing Risk of Hydrogen Embrittlement,
SAE/USCAR-5 is the standard for Avoidance of Hydrogen Embrittlement of Steel, and
ISO DIS 9587 and ISO DIS 9588 are both related to hydrogen embrittlement.
muleindeyard 3 years ago
hmm do we have a machinist in our mists? Or an engineer? either way thats good info.
d3adp001 3 years ago
Looks like 316 stainless is not affected by hydrogen brittleness.
muleindeyard 3 years ago
Thanks what I suspected, and thats very good to hear, considering what I have planned.
d3adp001 3 years ago
I have been concerned about hydrogen brittleness. So I started looking around the net.
I am not a mechanical engineer, but from what I have read, engine valves have a hardness of between 28-30 HRC, and that hydrogen brittleness is not a problem for metals with hardness less than 30 HRC. So, I do not believe that hydrogen brittleness should become a problem. This is good if it is correct.
muleindeyard 3 years ago
good deal thanks for the inof, I will keep a close eye on them, but one question, is there any info on stainless steel 316 and H2 embrittlement?
d3adp001 3 years ago
wow! that was really clean oil.. :)
InventorGadget 3 years ago
hopefully it's not hydrogen embrittlement on those valves.
AMAZING WORK! this is priceless info.
Thank you
tvryb 3 years ago
didn't look to be, looked like some deposits from running my cells too hard and having liquid go into the engine, but it breaks off easy so it will proly fall off while running, just like the carbon.
Thanks for watching.
d3adp001 3 years ago
Hmm.....I guess the gauntlet has been thrown back to "the Crow" now, huh?
codemasterofs 3 years ago
hmmm, well for data collection yup, for experiemental test setups sure, but I have to break out the 8" cells to get the title back completely, maybe I will cheat a bit, and run two 120v circuits and run all 4 cells :). I think the next set of tests will have to do with gas eff. with a load, why not?
d3adp001 3 years ago
good job.
electric789 3 years ago
D3 I know this is a tedious process. You are doing us all a great service and my hat is off to you my friend.
leakfree 3 years ago
5 stars for quality testing. I have a similar engine from either Northern Tool or Harbor Freight, and am doing my own testing. Tell me - have you played with the timing for HHO operation yet? The spark happens in these small engs around 5 degrees prior to "top dead center" at idle, but HHO is much more combustible than gas... Have you retarded the timing any? Might help get rid of that "knocking" i hear in the video. Not an easy thing to do with a magneto engine and 2 sparks per cycle...
dmiles813 3 years ago
the video is deceiving, its not knocking thats just sheet metal making noise. The other testbed engine has varable timing, and I found that when mixed with air it ran just fine at about stock timing. Once I go to a cam sensor operation I will play with timing, but theres a lot to do before that. That will be part of the "tuning" tests which will happen at the end of this series, after we have pushed the engine as far as it can go
d3adp001 3 years ago
Agree
minidish 3 years ago
Potassium hydroxide is corrosive...
dreamyear 3 years ago
koh is a base, yes and it reacts with most metals to form a metal oxide and leave K there. But I don't understand the comment? battery acid is corrosive too, its all a matter of containment.
d3adp001 3 years ago
Well done man.
babyella07 3 years ago
its clean as a dinner plate before dinner on the top of the piston. Oil too, I will try another long run soon. actually correction, I will run it on gas for a lot of hours, then tear the head off again and show what it does, then do a long run on hho and see what happens. Thats good info to have right there.
d3adp001 3 years ago
thanks for that ... good info ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
never mind oil question, 3year old screaming in my ear and didnt hear it. great work d3
higherpoweredh2o 3 years ago
Being a chinese ohv motor the crud on intake valve looks like oil from intake valve seals. Also most small engines went to chomoly type 2nd ring wich takes alot of breakin. to speed up ring seal use non detergent 30w oil.valve seal problem isnt a lot u can do about. looks kinda like a methanol engine very clean. How was oil? if a crap chinese engine can handle hho this well we can expect much more from better engine. Thanks for sharing this with us d3. 5 stars
higherpoweredh2o 3 years ago
did you see any corrosion... sodium bicarbonate is close to salt.
dreamyear 3 years ago
I use KOH not baking soda, baking soda makes CO2 which I don't want in the system.
d3adp001 3 years ago