One more thing, althoug JKD has some basic tenique, but just like Bruce Lee said, it should not become a style, different person has different JKD because JKD is a way of thinking and also it doesn't has to be a specific style, the same style doesn't work on everyone.
standing looks like JKD but I think he is not real JKD fighter. He is not doing murray thai for sure because of the standing posision is quite different. He doesn't know the ground skill well then I might say, maybe he knows some JKD but he was likely using the kick boxing only. Without the big gloves and specific rules, JKD will be the best style for standing fight.
MMA sucks is not a free style ... cant use the JKD technics on mma and japanese jiujitsu hits on all the points and is like box.. with rounds.. the real fights are like the real muai thai TO THE FINISH.. so is not a real mix martial arts we cant use all the technics there.
come on men!!!!!!!!, they put a fckin no0b boxer, he dont is a good fighter, and the other man, is a good fighter, the boxing man sucks, but the boxing is the best defense personal
@sivispacemparabelluw: grande! pratico JFJKD e sono del tutto in accordo con te. Il problema è che si crede che il JKD sia un'arte statica e definita...non si capisce la filosofia che sta alle spalle del vero praticante di questa arte, filosofia che porta ad affrontare il combattimento seguendo ciò che è più adatto alla propria figura, all'avversario che hai dinnanzi, alla situazione. Il JKD non ha stili poichè rinchiudersi in canoni e stili chiude la mente dell'atleta. Leggete Bruce e capirete
ma perchè tutti credono che il jeet sia l'arte marziale migliore al mondo... cazzo..tutti a pensare a bruce lee subito.. TUTTI i grandi maestri (e anche lee lo affermava) non conta l'arte marziale ma il praticante...e io credo fermamente a questa cosa...dovete immaginarli in un combattimento a l'ultimo sangue... OGNI arte marziale sarebbe alla pari...SECONDO ME OVVIAMENTE
@RUdERAsTamaNNa ti spiego perchè secondo me il jeet kune do è migliore di altre arti marziali... mettiamo un jeet kune do contro taekwondo... il jkd si fonda su mosse semplici, efficaci e di minimo dispendio energetico... il tkwd è molto più spettacolare ed elaborato ma il dispendio di energia è decisamente maggiore... risultato... il jkd fa spompare il tkwd e gli spezza una tibia con uno chasse... -.-'... il jkd non è un'arte marziale è un metodo di combattimento... mentale prima di tutto...
@whrazithar contro il tkwd lo ammetto pure io..ma io tutte le volte che penso a un'arte marziale la penso dentro una gabbia nelle mma...è per questo che reputo il jeet e il krav maga perfette per il combattimento contro un aggressione, o contor uno che non è ha esperienze di artimarziali o contro un pugile semmai,ma contro un mma fighter no... hanno una grossa sopportazione al dolore, e una preparazione appunto, perchè combattono realmento non solo in pratica, o con le protezioni... (continua)
I'm tired of watching boxer fighting these kickboxers with the mauy thai rules. I think it wud b more interesting to see a boxer vs a kickboxer but with no leg kicks.
nel senso che se ce metti un maestro di vero jeet kune do su nun ring, devono chiamare 5 o 6 ambulanze per recuperare i pezzi del malcapitato che se trova davanti xD
some retard doesnt know what jkd is. and it's sad because he even makes his screen name "JeetKuneDoRD". I fear your precious sensei tricked you. dumbass.
da boxer is trying hard but with seriously! WTH! He can't even kick! Handicapped! & d 'JKD' dude is toying around with him just coz he can kick - dat sort of attitude is not martial arts. This vid proves neither styles r better in d ring & man neither of these fighters show fighting spirit. Hell! Even in the 2nd round, I don't see 1 solid roundhouse to the head. No KO except a knee in the face. Ok, now the ref just said, "No legs, just punch!" & baldy will go, "Oh sh..."
JKD= MMA simple as that, and since nobody was doing MMA back in the kung fu, karate era because doing so would put in question generations of set laws concerning said Martial arts and thinking it was just an "Asian thing" and as such should be respected. So no one wanted to be seen as an outcast, like someone we know dont we? indeed Bruce Lee is the father of MMA, when his way of thinking was heard by Karate, Kung fu and other Martial art practitioners Bruce lee and JKD was not respected.
SI PUES YO RESPETO LAS OPINIONES ASI COMO PIDO RESPETEN LA MIA YO DIGO QUE LA MMA SOLO ES VIL Y BULGAR PELEA CALLEJERA NO TIENE MUCHO ESTILO EN COMPARACION A CUANDO SOLO TIENES UNA TECTICA BIEN PERFECCIONADA
anyone saying JKD is MMA knows very little about either. When Bruce says he doesn't believe in systems or forms, he means the doctrine, dogma, or brand. he's not saying that he doesn't believe in combative systems. You can't teach someone five techniques and some footwork and call them a fighter, you have to also give them a fighting system or structure to start with. If that person then researches other systems and grows from there, that's good.
@akira60ful why? because there's no kali? LOL maybe he's doing JKD, maybe he isn't, its hard to tell really. As far as I can tell, he might be using the on-guard stance, and I like what he does overall, he's better than the other guy, but just from this vid I can't say for sure he's doing JKD
lol you people are funny jkd is a mix of martial arts which muy thai is included and it has strong stand up so its good for the ring.....jkd also has alot of ground fighting which you saw in the video.....jkd is made to make your own style from diff martial arts. so you will not see a jkd style cause its your own, but if you knew alot of basis from jkd is body mechanics and he uses them, in thai they dont use same mechanics with pivoting they use hard foot plants when kicking and punching
JKD in my interpretation is Bruce Lee's interpretation of Martial arts... and after he developed it, he said this is not a system it is an approach to developing your martial arts... SO JKD was Bruce Lee's original MMA
Been a JKD man since my teens and am now 40. Still learning as it never ends. it's a continual progression that never stops. Like the circle of life. JKD is opinionated and is never the same for any two individuals. It's what works for you. JKD is much more than a physical art. It transcends into your daily life such as breathing, mental state, control of emotion, always being attentive and ready. I don't agree with having to prove yourself in a ring. Don't have to agree with me on that.
@jaimegjai True! a JKD man never has to prove something to someone. Proving yourself is a disease that JKD has cured. You R free and just be yourself!
the boxer lasted longer then i though. He seriously took some big hits....at the end i think his shoulder or ripp bone have been broken. Thats the power of mix martial art and art of using your whole body, boxing is only one small part, a pro fighter like the black guy in this clip who uses knee, punch, kicks.....the only thing he didn't use were elbow. Man, boxing is just the basic of all martial arts.....only people with bad body co-ordination stick with boxing, cos they can't get power
@jazzysam1314 from kicks, and other parts of the body. But sure, there are great boxer who master using just punches like tyson....but generally, boxer willn't survive in mma ring, non on the street will mma fighter
BullShit!!! I haven't seen anything that remotely looks as if it where JKD and you will recognize it do to its basis you mention the essence of JKD but this dude displayed none of them not even Chinese boxing.
JKD has for ranges in fighting. Kickingrange (Muay Thai, Savate, Wing Chun, Karate), Punch range (Boxing), Trappingrange (Wingchun), Grappling ( Jiu Jiutsu, Judo, Wrestling) JKD is no style, its just fighting and using what works for you as an individuel. So I would say this is JKD. Only JKD is really for the streets. so kicking to the groin, fingerjabs R allowed and more nasty stuff.
MMA practitioners could be considered JKD practitioner could they not? JKD is not a style and from my understanding Wing Chun does not need to be the core. Is it what works best in the situation you're in. I am not no JKD expert but thats just my understanding.
@iApna In my opinion you ve got that right. Im not like many who stick to 70s JKD thinking. I believe Bruce was devoloping and changing his JKD almost weekly, so the 70s JKD could not considered as the JKD. JKD is personal, so if Wing Chun doenst fit in your system, well thats your JKD
@JakyRedEyes - MMA = Mixed Martial Arts. MMA does not need to include ground fighting, grappling, etc... (but would be foolish not to include it). Dana White called Bruce Lee the greatest MMA fighter that ever existed. Bruce Lee was not known to have great ground fighting skills.
@iApna Dana White said Bruce Lee was the most influential martial artist of the 20th century, not the best fighter—big difference. But, he was a great trainer also.
@iApna You got it all right. JKD is no style its developping your own fighting skill. Wing Chun doenst have to be the core. It aint mine and I feel I practice the JKD. JKD as a phylosophy, as a system that is. OK JKD phylosophy is how to survive on the streets and there R no rules in what can you do or what is against the rules. Its just Freedom!!
@minasz - I think regardless of martial-arts background nobody follows rules. I know that the rules subject is a debated one. However, its a simple one. As an example, in Muay-Thai we are trained to clinch and knee the body and head. But its an easy transition to strike the groin. Its also easy to grasp the hair in the clinch and drive knees to the face.
@iApna Yes its true that no martial art style follow rules. But it learns you how to do this or that. Like Muay Thai learns you how to clinch. And Muay Thai I can say R expert in clinch with gloves. That means when its for real and there R no rules. Most Muay Thai fighter will get in clinch not grabbing your mouth, ears, hair or the eye cuz they R trained not to do that. Or they wont kick you that fast in the groin but try to lowkick you on the thigh instead. Not all Muay Thai fighters offcours
@iApna At the end its the fighter who wins the fight not the style. Cuz even though you dont grab the hair or poke the eye or kick the groin you can beat the hell out of somebody. A good Cross and Hook on the chin will knock somebody out. So it begins by basics. Defense and Stance I believe. And when its on..its just ON> Peace Mate
@minasz - I agree its the fighter. Hopefully the fighter wasn't trained by Mr. Miyagi but someone with credible fight experience. Too many trainers out there that haven't fought anyone or fought anyone credible themselves at least.
@mageslol - Thats a little short sighted. MMA practitioners do not follow rules on the street. Lets talk about "RULES" then. When was the last time that you were allowed to break you opponents jaw, crack his ribs or snap his legs in class? Let me guess NEVER right? Were you even allowed to spar? JKD philosophy works for MMA. In fact Bruce Lee promoted sparring. But then there would be rules right? Like not killing your opponent or poking out his eyes. Hmm. Sounds like rules to me
@mageslol - In terms of 1v1 or 1 vs many. First most martial-artist cannot take more than 1 person. The ones that don't spar or compete have little to no chance of taking on more than 1 person if tthat. The most effective way to eliminate someone would be knocking them out and not using sticky hands haha. There are many examples throughout history of boxers knocking multiple people out all over the place. Add MMA to the mix now you got a complete wrecking machine.
@LOSTANGELSMUSIC Only in movies. All arts teaches you A way. I feel all ways can bring you to victory. Just train and train hard. At the end its the fighter not the style that wins.
@iApna well,it's logical enough. But todays MMA is mostly BJJ+Thay Boxing mixed together quite carelessly. Or simply Combat Sambo in Eastern Europe. It's quite obvious, that such technique is not allways sufficient in real life situations. So it's not JKD, if we take stereotype. I practise Nhat Nam my self, so I don't have to mix anything, it's all in it from the start: knees,elbows,submissions and throws,anything you can imagine and helps you tu survive. So it is some sort of JKD for me:)
@arimanaz - Muay-Thai and MMA are a big part of MMA because the combo works. In the same breath however Many MMA practitioners don't know authentic Muay-Thai and make it look very bad. Muay-Thai and BJJ are both very effective for the street. Maybe you can educate me on what aspect of Muay-Thai is not effective. Trust me you don't want to get kicked anywhere in the body by a trained Thai practitioner. Whether thats to your guard or body not anywhere. Because once you fall its game over.
@iApna I have practced Muay-Thay for several years, but then I found Nhat Nam, wich is similar,but has larger arsenal of dirty tricks and brutal grapling techniques.I like MT,because it is my first martial art and I respect it a lot.But some times it is not enough vs grapler.And BJJ is quite useless in one vs many situation.you dont want to be on the ground when 3 freakin russians are trying to kick beloved head of yours.I know -it's my experience talking:) But I like MMA as a sport.
@arimanaz I kow Nhat Nam. I thought it was an Vietnamese art. I only think its not similair to MT. i feel its more Kung Fu like. Thats another discussion haha.
I agree with you as i also come from Muay Thai and Kyokushin. A man has to be allround to really be a good fighter. Not that you cant knock some grappler out with a good cross hook combination, but when you ve been taken down you are in serious trouble if you dont know how to react. i feel BJJ has great groundgame. Striker + Grappler= MMA
@minasz kung fu has many styles of dancing,without knowing the true meaning of moves:) but it's my personal opinion.About NN similarity to MT- it has same striking technique. If you want to see something like NN- check out Muey Boran. It looks very alike. Some NN practitioners even fight in MT tournaments. You may find it kung fu like because of animal forms. Tiger,snake and bla bla. And one funny thing: after 10 years of NN practice I understand MT much better. And yes, it is Vietnamese.
@arimanaz Hey man. I know the style believe me. Its a nice style. To me its like Kung fu..but hey its just the way I see it. I know Muay Boran also. Thats more Muay Thai with a lot of grapplin in it. But cool man..peace.
@minasz where are you from? Nhat Nam is popular in Russia, som post soviet countries, in Lithuania especially:) I know some people does NN in France and Switzerland, England. It's quite exotic, so usualy no one knows about it.
@arimanaz im from Holland and im interested in all kinds of arts and techniques as I believe in the JKD philosophy. Absorb what is usefull and reject whats useless. So therefor ive know this style.
@arimanaz - Plus who the hell uses grappling in a 3 on 1 situation? Nobody needs dirty tricks to knock someone out. You want to hit someone hit them. No need in wasting time.
@iApna I do agree,that there's no big deal to simply knock out someone of your own size.But in real life situation your oponent can be twice as big and stupid as dinosaur.And god knows what he may do to mess you up.So then you use dirty tricks.Not waisting time boxing with him or smth.Some dudes can take serious punishment,especially when on drugs.One friend of mine,kickboxer,got into a street fight.He broke guys nose, damaged his knee,kracked finger-that freakin zombie just kept coming at him.
@arimanaz - You don't get it do you. Size of a person does not matter. I know guys that have 20-40lbs on me and I'm 6'1 - 200lbs. They couldn't hurt me if their life depended on it. But then guys I know 30-40 pounds lighter than me are knocking guys out my size and larger. Based on your comments you're a fuckin phony you don't have much or any experience in martial-arts. Go talk shit to someone else you're not going to win this debate because I know my shit and I live it everyday.
@iApna based on your comments you are a hysteric woman and no martial artist. You use a lot of words like ,,fuck" and ,,fucking", so I guess it is big part of your life. In conclusion, you are a hysteric woman who fucks a lot. A prostitute.
@arimanaz - At the end of day bros, when you are being pressured to react to a possible physical confrontation you will have to strike or grapple your opponent. The most effective striking art is Muay-Thai and the most effective grappling art is BJJ. Sounds like a winning combination to me. But technique is not the only thing you have to worry about. Its all the ability to engage your opponent the fight psychology behind it. MMA and Muay-Thai training is fantastic at developing that mind set.
@LOSTANGELSMUSIC you smoke too much weeeed,my friend. At least say ,, JKD", not Wing Chun, then it would look more logical. I do respect your love for martial art of yours, but you must agree, that martial arts like TKD, MT,BJJ,WING CHUN have different history and were made for different purposes. so they work on different fuel and are separate in all categories. Well,maybe not in all,but in most.
@arimanaz Understand that Bruce developed JKD from Wing Chun. He just simply says you should learn whatever will help you defend yourself. Just as an example. I've fought against many styles; mma, goju ryu, tkd, mt, shotokan, us boxing, chinese boxing, capuera, etc. I do have my own fighting technique. That's the purpose of Wing Chun, to unlock YOU. I'm undefeated. I incorporate everything yet find everything is in Wing Chun Kuen when I learn. They've been studying in Brazil since before Gracies
The bulk of BJJ grappling can be found in Wing Chun. If you just watch grand masters display traditional movements you'll lose grasp on what it's all about. Look at the movement of Bruce, Samo, Jackie Chan, Jet Lee, etc. You see they don't stand in some traditional positioning that we learn. The stances are simply ways of building strength in limbs and ligaments as well as recovering from throws and stiffing takedowns. Not meant for all around combat. I studied Shotokan First. 46-0-0.
@iApna BJJ and MT is two different martial arts with different history and essence. I am lucky,because Nhat Nam (martial art I practice) have reached Europe unchanged as it was in 14 century- created for breaking bones and kicking heads of intruders. So there's strikes like Thai boxing( 8 limbs) and all the dirty tricks you can imagine+sneaky grapling like BJJ, but in some different way-do your job on the ground as quickly as posible. So in my case I dont have to mix anything.
@iApna But in that case of army training every technique is adapted to survival.it means that strikes to the eyes,throat,balls and other vital points are added, and wat is illegal in MMA, is practised in military training.So why dont they use techniques of traditional martial arts like Nhat Nam?When it's tournement-we use MMA rules,but mostly we train for survival situations.End when you are in need of dirty tricks-it's all in it,from the 14 century.Well combined and balanced for you.:)
@arimanaz - I'm tired of idiots talking rules. Who the fuck says I or any MMA fighter would fight with rules on the street? Eyes, throats, balls, are just fuckin targets. I hit them if I want. I can transition from hitting the face, to the stomach, to the throat back down to the balls, then smash the legs quicker than a rabbit can fuck.
I work on developing the technique and power to smash my opponents. If my opponent cannot walk they cannot hit me. Therefore I can do what the fuck I want.
@arimanaz most MMA fighters don't know true Thai Boxing. They know TKD. The American adaptation of Thai Boxing. All stems from Wing Chun though. Learn the core and you'll get all the aspects. Wing Chun is the sphere that surrounds the arts. Not a style at all.
@LOSTANGELSMUSIC I do agre with the first sentence of yours, but the rest I find quite confusing. Are you saying,that Wing Chun surraunds all arts in the concept of JKD, or it is the core of JKD, or you are trying to conclude that all arts in some sence are Wing chun?:)
@arimanaz All Kung Fu was originated by Shaolin masters and shared with military elites for the strengthening of china. Think about it. The story of Huo Yuanjia isn't fake. He took on all styles and smashed every one of them. He was a practitioner of Shaolin Arts. Wing Chun is the core and pinnacle of Shaolin Arts. Techniques used for survival and determent as well as tournament fighting. Also check out Chin Na. Really effective for protection and stems from Wing Chun.
@LOSTANGELSMUSIC dude,and what about other martial arts?I can simply say,that core of martial arts is Nhat Nam, because it has every aspect of each.But it would be wrong.We just don't know alhistory of all martial arts.I just can't agree with your statement,that every martial art comes from WC.Do not turn that martial art of yours in to religion.
@LOSTANGELSMUSIC Sorry but there are many fighters from Muay Thai in MMA. Saying that there from TKD is funny. Wing Chun has its good and bad. I dont think Wing Chun as a style would survive an allrounc fighter (Striker + Grappler). And no MMA aint a sport only. And no Wing Chun has no real grapplin in it. But like I said. at the end its the fighter that wins the fight.
Bruce Lee introduced MMA to the world at the beginning of Enter The Dragon. MMA, BJJ, TKD, etc. stems from Wing Chun. Those are actually a few of the components of Wing Chun. Utilizing every aspect is what made Bruce so effective. It's not just knowing martial arts but becoming martial arts. It must flow through who you are to unlock your full potential.
@LOSTANGELSMUSIC - Bruce Lee dumped Wing Chun, because it was useless. Go research that for yourself. I am not sure the true roots of BJJ. But Muay-Thai stemmed from India not from China.
@iApna He didnt dump Wing Chun, He started with it as the core, but still he threw out a lot of garbage. At the end (72/73) It almost had no wing chun...No trapping. He thought the trapping was not so realistic. It was more Boxing, Kicking and grappling. Check out his last movie Game of Death the last part fighting in the tower. No Wing Chun. Just knuckles and Kicks with some grapplin. Thats why he wore the yellow suite. He wanted to be the fighter with NO style while he faught those stylist.
@iApna That is what i should be. But still you have many JKDers argue this and say it has to be what Lee trained but forgetting his JKD was alwayz in a process. He stated Absorb whats usefull and reject whats useless. Meaning this in a personal matter. Im saying we are Not Bruce lee. So what workded for him doesnt have to work for me. And thats why Train what benefits you in every situation.
@iApna Not really. There are some things that you need in order for it to be JKD. A concentration on intercepting for one. Strong side forward is almost universally seen as a necessary principle for it to be JKD.
@OwayneKhoo93 - Huh? You do realize many of the MMA fighters use Muay-Thai as their striking art right? Thai's kick the hardest and use shins to kick and block. Kicking an MMA practitioners shin is useless unless its used simply for distraction or setup of another strike. Side kicking the knee inward makes sense but hard because we don't stand straight legged. Side kick the body and head but the shin is a waste of time on an MMA practitioner and/or Muay-Thai fighter.
@iApna In competitions,its mainly used as a distraction or a stop hit. he comes,u kick his shin. It does hurt btw,even though it doesnt do much damage. Its a demoralising kick. Makes the oponent attack less confidently. And in streetfights with shoes on,thats a different story haha.
@OwayneKhoo93 - I can see that hurting an untrained fighters for sure. Never a Muay-Thai or MMA fighter. Don't even bother trying it. You would get laughed at then ribs crushed by the same shin that you tried to kick. Too bad your instructor didn't tell you that.
Look through youtube videos on Muay-Thai fight clips and you will understand what I'm saying. We use our legs/shin extensively:
@iApna Dude, muay thai was my main style back then. The lower side kick to me is prooven againts muay thai because generally muay thai has weaker footwork than traditional martial arts even though it may be superior. And again,it isnt a knockout move so dont say that its useless againts a hard shinned person. For example the jab,it has its uses even though the knockout isnt its main objective. And dont tell me you can withstand a full powered lower sidekick without avoiding.thats absurd.
@OwayneKhoo93 - Dude - If you were in Thai then you would full understand the use of certain strikes. Some are for distractions like you said a Jab could be used for. A sidekick is very effective waist up. Below the knee would be much more difficult to execute, generate force and you also leave yourself open to receive vicious counter roundhouse to the body, legs and head. In a barefoot situation your foot would probably slide down the shin and hurt your foot more then the other person.
@iApna I bet you have never seen anyone do a lower side kick. But I can fully guarantee you that lower side kicks are WAY more accurate and easy to execute than above waist side kicks ;) And more effective at stopping the person too.
You do thai only right? No traditional martial arts? Well, generally the side kick isnt used much in muay thai,so you probably feel really clumsy using it. Maybe il post a vid sometime in the future?
@OwayneKhoo93 - I do both Muay-Thai and MMA. I tried them in class before to the shin but I found them to risky and ineffective. I use side kicks to the body waist and up. I try to nail the liver, floating ribs, upper chest (heart), etc... I want maximum compression, causing maximum damage to internal organs. I do strike shins but only to get a reaction from my opponent like dropping his hands. I use them as annoyances. People with no ring experience fall for it 99% of the time.
@iApna I find them to be the least risky attack in fighting because it uses the concept of the longest weapon to the nearest target. Suggest what risk it would do to you? When i first read bout the lower side kick and tried it in muay thai class, i was like'this sucks!' i had no control over it and i felt that it lacked so much power. Even though i did taekwondo. But I began fooling around with it and practising it and 1 day I decided to give it a try again and,hey! it wokred! Real powerful too!
@OwayneKhoo93 - The longest weapon to the closest target doesn't always work. You can "choke" your strike out. Kind of like trying to roundhouse someone when a clinch/knee would be a better choice. The problem I found is trying to side kick the shin can result in receiving a roundhouse to the body and/or face.
@iApna Well,nothing always works. And the shin sidekick is mostly used in a snapping manner, where you withdraw yourself from danger right after you execute it. Kind of like a jab. Although sometimes it is used to attack thrusting right into the knee/thigh. And I dont think you might want to use a roundhouse againts a lower sidekick, by standing on one leg,the lower side kick might injure the standing knee or make you fall. It most probably would hit first too,since its the longest to the closes
@iApna Well, JKD is a way to express oneself, MMA is not an expression of oneself, it has a crystalized teaching method and so on. All respect to MMA practitioners.
@GabbysMyKittyRawr mma is jkd in reality,whatever works is used.mma has no defined teaching method nor arts that it incorporates,it could be karate and judo or boxing and wrestling or thai and bjj,anything really,its just that certain arts have proven most effective and people think of that combo as mma.Jkd has certain principles that make it jkd,mma does not,other than the rules.
@billysue2 Its not JKD, MMA is a sport, its defined teaching methods are the rules: hence the reason why I said it was crystalized.
Not that theres anything wrong with MMA, it can be applied to proper combat, but JKD is not MMA, because of a different set of principles, namely: JKD is meant for realistic combat, not competition or sport.
And in any case, MMA cannot be JKD, because JKD is different from person to person.
Please don't judge them on the same level, both useful martial arts but-
@GabbysMyKittyRawr well jkd might be for realistic combat but has yet to show it can even be used in sport combat while still adhering to its core principals.The SBG organisation was originally called functional jkd but hadnt the principles of jkd apart from using what worked in sparring.MMA is different from person to person depending on background and strategy
@billysue2 Yes, thats true, it can be used for sport, and MMA is different from person to person, but most MMA fighters are based in Muay Thai, Western Boxing, Wrestling, Jiu Jutsu, Judo, and one was even a Karate-ka, and the reason they use them, is because those martial arts also have sport forms, you know? MT, WB, Wrestling are well known for having their own tournaments, JiuJutsu/Judo has it's own system of 'Ippon" tournmanets, and Karateka have Kumitae. Where as the Base of Bruce Lee's JKD
@billysue2 Which is Wing Chun, does not, it can't be used very well in sport for 2 reason, many strikes are not legal, ie: eye striking, neck striking, small joint manipulation, groin striking, and the second reason is that its attack style's are all straight, and everyone knows that a jab that's covered by padding is a very week one.. Just a general out look on JKD, all JKD is different, but I'm basing my argument of Bruce's.
@billysue2 -One has a different combination from person to person, and the other is arranged from what martial arts tend to be effective for everyone in general.
@holynaboo - Yes MMA fighters can do whatever they want on the street including eye-gauging, pulling hair, biting, etc... there are no rules. In the ring you cannot eye gauge but not a big deal. You can break the eye orbital, split the skull, break the legs or any other bone in the fighters body. Take a look at this clip it will explain how MMA fighters see their opponents. Its brief, but a good start
@holynaboo eye gouging isnt something you can train,so wheter an art uses it is irrelevant.Jkd will look exactly like mma in a real fight.Whats shown in the above video proves that,there was nothing to show that nigger trained jkd,he was a bad kickboxer with some wrestling and terrible newaza.
@bxrumble JKD is something personal. JKD from the 70s I believe would be never JKD in 2010! JKD is alwayz devolping and alwayz moving. JKD is not chinese cuz its in the first place includes Western Boxing. Later there was included Muay Thai, Savate, Judo like you see in the Tao of JKD. So JKD is MMA style fighting cuz you mix arts to make what works for you! and only you!!
@minasz your own journey in martial arts is something person, JKD is a term Bruce Lee coined to give a name to his philosophies and concepts. Two different things. You can explore and benefit from JKD within your personal Journey. But your personal journey just not equate to JKD.
If someone says "I want to learn JKD" then they start with Lee, and the various curriculum's he taught at different times in his life. You don't walk into a MMA school and say "i want to learn JKD"
@johnniefive80 No no you R right. Im not saying that. Offcourse not that you walk in an MMA school to learn JKD. Im meant MMA is just Mixing arts. The fighter uses what it fits best for him. Like the MMA have wrestling and Boxing and the other is Kickboxing and Jiu Jiutsu. Cuz JKD is air, water how you want to call it. Yes you may start with Lee's JKD but still Lee was changing his system allmost every month. So then its very difficult, cuz he died while still improving his system.
@minasz You can't follow his JKD because it is a part of Wing Chun. Basically, the art of developing one's self. Therefore, you can't look at an ever evolving individual and mimic them. You must yourself evolve. It then becomes YOUR system of JKD that is effective for YOU and ever evolving as you grow in life. That's what makes the "philosophy" of martial arts so effective and adapted in any situation. Even an octagon with rules. Those rules work to the advantage of one who adapts & evolves.
@LOSTANGELSMUSIC Yes JKD started out with Wing Chun, Boxing and fencing. But as Bruce trained he checked out other styles. Jiu Jiutsu, Judo, Muay Thai ect Added and threw out a lot of garbage. At the end its not this or that, Its your own personal way of fighting. So I dont believe JKD is Wing Chun. For me JKD could even be something without Wing Chun. Cuz its a system, A boat to get you on the other side of the river. What kind of boat?. Not an Eastern or Western. Not black nor White. Its yours
The purpose of Wing Chun is to be free flowing. The stances and drills are not designed to be used in combat. More to adjust one's physical mechanics and strength level. TRUE Wing Chun is not about getting close to an opponent or not. Alot of the arts today are taught as a means of combat as opposed to a means to unlock one's movement and natural ability. Just as great basketball players don't move just like the drills they do. It helps one to flow freely. Adaptation is key. Not form. JKD is WC
@minasz dude... jun fan jeet kune do is chinese(jun fan being bruce lees chinese name). JKD was an evolution of mostly wing chun and iron palm kung fu. where did you get western boxing and french kick boxing(savate) from?? the entire principle behind JKD, in the words of bruce lee is to flow like water rather than swimming on land meaning that your defence and offence are simultaneous and calculated rather than dictated by a law set by a style hence the name "way of the intercepting fist"
@aratisbug Mate, If you read Bruce Lees Tao of JKD you will see that Bruce studied many styles and made notes. He wanted to learn about them and use what worked for him. JKD started with Wing Chun, but at the end it was mostly Kickboxing with little Wing Chun in it. Bruce Lee was alwayz wanted himself to be better. He said he was a student, meaning he alwayz kept on learning. About Iron Palm, thats not true. JKD first was Wing Chun and western boxing. Later he add Judo, Jiu Jiutsu, muay thai ect
@aratisbug he was very influenced by boxing and certainly savate style kicking,but the core of jkd is wing chun,it had to be since thats where most of his training took place.jkd isnt chinese or any other nationality.There is no iron palm in jkd,bruce didnt rate classical kung foolery
this is not JKD, . Not even one interception he did....
vasgeorge 1 week ago
nice with this music! much better than heavy metal or thrash!
lordofzeapes 2 months ago
amatures!
mrcharles007 3 months ago
One more thing, althoug JKD has some basic tenique, but just like Bruce Lee said, it should not become a style, different person has different JKD because JKD is a way of thinking and also it doesn't has to be a specific style, the same style doesn't work on everyone.
michaelwei1989 4 months ago 6
standing looks like JKD but I think he is not real JKD fighter. He is not doing murray thai for sure because of the standing posision is quite different. He doesn't know the ground skill well then I might say, maybe he knows some JKD but he was likely using the kick boxing only. Without the big gloves and specific rules, JKD will be the best style for standing fight.
michaelwei1989 4 months ago
jeet kune do ?????????
cscladiocigano 4 months ago
que malos son los dos y peor el arbitro
gambito3031 4 months ago
What's the Name of That Song?
rinojkd 5 months ago
where did you say that is the jeet kune do? cause I don't se it :S
Scarlov87 5 months ago
that jkd stance is way too wide. That muay thai kick goes for the front leg all the time.
Still the kickboxer is a good fighter.
IronMK13 5 months ago
where is the jeet kune do?
tatengue107 5 months ago
@tatengue107 Jeet Kune Do is something personal and something you can NOT define or recodnize. So that makes your question ignorant.
minasz 5 months ago
@minasz no
tatengue107 5 months ago
@tatengue107 yes
minasz 5 months ago
@minasz i said no
tatengue107 5 months ago
@tatengue107 but its a yes
minasz 4 months ago
J.K.D!!!!!!! BRUCE LEE THE BEST
jorts12 5 months ago
MMA sucks is not a free style ... cant use the JKD technics on mma and japanese jiujitsu hits on all the points and is like box.. with rounds.. the real fights are like the real muai thai TO THE FINISH.. so is not a real mix martial arts we cant use all the technics there.
2011new 6 months ago
Looks more like muay thai than jkd.
pNOYjOSH 6 months ago
come on men!!!!!!!!, they put a fckin no0b boxer, he dont is a good fighter, and the other man, is a good fighter, the boxing man sucks, but the boxing is the best defense personal
1BigLan1 6 months ago
TOUGH FIGHTERS BOTH!
demonslayer1172 7 months ago
kd guy is awfull he keeps blocking kicks with his hands and can barely stand up in general poor show man, you got handled easilly..
and im not a hater i like jkd
DeftDaoist 7 months ago
this isnt jkd vs boxing just mma in a boxing ring
bounchofbeaners 7 months ago
The kickboxer "JKD" guy has no ground game at all, though and very basic stand up, or limited...
Deathpunkization 7 months ago
poor bastard got beat up so bad the guy got bored and took it to the grand and stood back up and got beat up some more.
eats1one 8 months ago
JKD?????? in what part... this was Sub-boxing and MMA nothing more...
jocheluich 9 months ago 5
@jocheluich why is it not JKD?
Deathpunkization 7 months ago
@jocheluich Watch any practice video of a real JKD school with approved instructor and you will see the difference...
jocheluich 6 months ago
Why so many negatives?? This was a good video. Great fight. Glad he went down before he got himself hurt too badly - remember, it's a sport.
GovernmentGuy 9 months ago
He really didn't know what happened at 6:58 and at 9:00 he understood ... Boxing is not everything :p
JimBlake00 9 months ago
Another "martial arts" vs. boxer video that proves it all comes down to how you brawl.
richcapo 9 months ago
Nada que ver con el Jeet Kune Do de Bruce Lee.
MECO717 9 months ago
NONE OF YOU KNOW AHT JKD IS, LOL
noformstyle 9 months ago
@noformstyle yh its jeet kune do the martial art bruce lee invented duh!!
bonneklman08 8 months ago
nessun jeet kune do dovrebbe essere come quello di bruce lee.
bruce lee aveva il suo stile utile con il suo corpo.
se fosse pesato 20 kili in piu probabilmente ne avrebbe avuto di un altro tipo
(non so magari con colpi a peso anziche a chiusure opposte).
fatto sta che per questo motivo il jeet kune do è l'arte migliore.
il jeet kune do è la massima concretizzazione del combattimento in un uomo.
ma ognuno deve conoscere il proprio jeet kune do.
se fosse per tutti uguale,sarebbe una normale arte.
sivispacemparabelluw 9 months ago
@sivispacemparabelluw: grande! pratico JFJKD e sono del tutto in accordo con te. Il problema è che si crede che il JKD sia un'arte statica e definita...non si capisce la filosofia che sta alle spalle del vero praticante di questa arte, filosofia che porta ad affrontare il combattimento seguendo ciò che è più adatto alla propria figura, all'avversario che hai dinnanzi, alla situazione. Il JKD non ha stili poichè rinchiudersi in canoni e stili chiude la mente dell'atleta. Leggete Bruce e capirete
luciopagnotta 9 months ago
ahi no hay NADA de JKD
Dadvancedpsp 9 months ago
awesome job
kgershenson 10 months ago
ma perchè tutti credono che il jeet sia l'arte marziale migliore al mondo... cazzo..tutti a pensare a bruce lee subito.. TUTTI i grandi maestri (e anche lee lo affermava) non conta l'arte marziale ma il praticante...e io credo fermamente a questa cosa...dovete immaginarli in un combattimento a l'ultimo sangue... OGNI arte marziale sarebbe alla pari...SECONDO ME OVVIAMENTE
RUdERAsTamaNNa 10 months ago
@RUdERAsTamaNNa ti spiego perchè secondo me il jeet kune do è migliore di altre arti marziali... mettiamo un jeet kune do contro taekwondo... il jkd si fonda su mosse semplici, efficaci e di minimo dispendio energetico... il tkwd è molto più spettacolare ed elaborato ma il dispendio di energia è decisamente maggiore... risultato... il jkd fa spompare il tkwd e gli spezza una tibia con uno chasse... -.-'... il jkd non è un'arte marziale è un metodo di combattimento... mentale prima di tutto...
whrazithar 10 months ago
@whrazithar contro il tkwd lo ammetto pure io..ma io tutte le volte che penso a un'arte marziale la penso dentro una gabbia nelle mma...è per questo che reputo il jeet e il krav maga perfette per il combattimento contro un aggressione, o contor uno che non è ha esperienze di artimarziali o contro un pugile semmai,ma contro un mma fighter no... hanno una grossa sopportazione al dolore, e una preparazione appunto, perchè combattono realmento non solo in pratica, o con le protezioni... (continua)
RUdERAsTamaNNa 10 months ago
@whrazithar ...tipo credo che tommy carruthers o una persona al suo livello riesca con un po' di allenamento nel BJJ a sfondare nel mma...
RUdERAsTamaNNa 10 months ago
damnshit.. this really not JKD.. is muay thai vs boxing.. Damn dunno which people dunno what is JKD
pokkai988 11 months ago
@pokkai988 JKD is not a style, JKD can look like muay thai, boxing or anything
StL33T 10 months ago
@pokkai988 THe JKD guy gave classes to me once and I can assure you that he's one the best Jeet Kunee do practicioner I've ever seen.
WinserEX 10 months ago
I'm tired of watching boxer fighting these kickboxers with the mauy thai rules. I think it wud b more interesting to see a boxer vs a kickboxer but with no leg kicks.
str8bigr1 11 months ago
@str8bigr1 So you would be watching box. This comment is retarded.
chemoman1 11 months ago
niente jeet kune do... sarebbe durato 5 o 6 secondi xD...
whrazithar 1 year ago
@whrazithar
inche senso
KINGNICOLA1 10 months ago
@KINGNICOLA1
nel senso che se ce metti un maestro di vero jeet kune do su nun ring, devono chiamare 5 o 6 ambulanze per recuperare i pezzi del malcapitato che se trova davanti xD
whrazithar 10 months ago
@whrazithar secondo te è vera quella leggenda secondo cui Bruce Lee è andato al tapeto contero 1 thaiboxer secondo me è 1 fesseria
KINGNICOLA1 10 months ago
you the fucking black. fight with me. i know karate mother fuck. you alone want fight with boxing fuck you
kecolee1 1 year ago
why is it i can never find a video where the boxer beats the mauy thai guy? muay thai rules!
johnmkrs83 1 year ago
some retard doesnt know what jkd is. and it's sad because he even makes his screen name "JeetKuneDoRD". I fear your precious sensei tricked you. dumbass.
xxzippyxx 1 year ago
that was boxing vs. Muay Thai not jkd,i practice muay thai
tom1505 1 year ago
I dont care for the sport aspect of an marcial art, Amrcial arts are ment for the aotside... wherer you like it or not
cncncb 1 year ago
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akira60ful 1 year ago
noobs.......all i can say.....pure noobs. no training in ground fights so htey both look like noobs on hte ground
nic0003 1 year ago
da boxer is trying hard but with seriously! WTH! He can't even kick! Handicapped! & d 'JKD' dude is toying around with him just coz he can kick - dat sort of attitude is not martial arts. This vid proves neither styles r better in d ring & man neither of these fighters show fighting spirit. Hell! Even in the 2nd round, I don't see 1 solid roundhouse to the head. No KO except a knee in the face. Ok, now the ref just said, "No legs, just punch!" & baldy will go, "Oh sh..."
86HairMetal 1 year ago
where is jkd?
The4Lifeeee 1 year ago
hantes no se les ocurrio darle unos chacos a ese negro
donovanhelsing 1 year ago
What's the Name of That Song?
rinojkd 1 year ago
JKD= MMA simple as that, and since nobody was doing MMA back in the kung fu, karate era because doing so would put in question generations of set laws concerning said Martial arts and thinking it was just an "Asian thing" and as such should be respected. So no one wanted to be seen as an outcast, like someone we know dont we? indeed Bruce Lee is the father of MMA, when his way of thinking was heard by Karate, Kung fu and other Martial art practitioners Bruce lee and JKD was not respected.
scoobyroo06 1 year ago
SI PUES YO RESPETO LAS OPINIONES ASI COMO PIDO RESPETEN LA MIA YO DIGO QUE LA MMA SOLO ES VIL Y BULGAR PELEA CALLEJERA NO TIENE MUCHO ESTILO EN COMPARACION A CUANDO SOLO TIENES UNA TECTICA BIEN PERFECCIONADA
XZIBIT388 1 year ago
Bell'incontro.
99765e5353 1 year ago
anyone saying JKD is MMA knows very little about either. When Bruce says he doesn't believe in systems or forms, he means the doctrine, dogma, or brand. he's not saying that he doesn't believe in combative systems. You can't teach someone five techniques and some footwork and call them a fighter, you have to also give them a fighting system or structure to start with. If that person then researches other systems and grows from there, that's good.
johnniefive80 1 year ago
@johnniefive80 True!
minasz 1 year ago
It's not jeet kune do...
akira60ful 1 year ago
@akira60ful why? because there's no kali? LOL maybe he's doing JKD, maybe he isn't, its hard to tell really. As far as I can tell, he might be using the on-guard stance, and I like what he does overall, he's better than the other guy, but just from this vid I can't say for sure he's doing JKD
johnniefive80 1 year ago
lol you people are funny jkd is a mix of martial arts which muy thai is included and it has strong stand up so its good for the ring.....jkd also has alot of ground fighting which you saw in the video.....jkd is made to make your own style from diff martial arts. so you will not see a jkd style cause its your own, but if you knew alot of basis from jkd is body mechanics and he uses them, in thai they dont use same mechanics with pivoting they use hard foot plants when kicking and punching
nev2006 1 year ago
JKD in my interpretation is Bruce Lee's interpretation of Martial arts... and after he developed it, he said this is not a system it is an approach to developing your martial arts... SO JKD was Bruce Lee's original MMA
Tyrant60 1 year ago
looks alot more lyke muaythai to me..
ss92088 1 year ago
Been a JKD man since my teens and am now 40. Still learning as it never ends. it's a continual progression that never stops. Like the circle of life. JKD is opinionated and is never the same for any two individuals. It's what works for you. JKD is much more than a physical art. It transcends into your daily life such as breathing, mental state, control of emotion, always being attentive and ready. I don't agree with having to prove yourself in a ring. Don't have to agree with me on that.
jaimegjai 1 year ago
@jaimegjai True! a JKD man never has to prove something to someone. Proving yourself is a disease that JKD has cured. You R free and just be yourself!
minasz 1 year ago
the boxer lasted longer then i though. He seriously took some big hits....at the end i think his shoulder or ripp bone have been broken. Thats the power of mix martial art and art of using your whole body, boxing is only one small part, a pro fighter like the black guy in this clip who uses knee, punch, kicks.....the only thing he didn't use were elbow. Man, boxing is just the basic of all martial arts.....only people with bad body co-ordination stick with boxing, cos they can't get power
jazzysam1314 1 year ago
@jazzysam1314 from kicks, and other parts of the body. But sure, there are great boxer who master using just punches like tyson....but generally, boxer willn't survive in mma ring, non on the street will mma fighter
jazzysam1314 1 year ago
BullShit!!! I haven't seen anything that remotely looks as if it where JKD and you will recognize it do to its basis you mention the essence of JKD but this dude displayed none of them not even Chinese boxing.
bxrumble 1 year ago
JKD has for ranges in fighting. Kickingrange (Muay Thai, Savate, Wing Chun, Karate), Punch range (Boxing), Trappingrange (Wingchun), Grappling ( Jiu Jiutsu, Judo, Wrestling) JKD is no style, its just fighting and using what works for you as an individuel. So I would say this is JKD. Only JKD is really for the streets. so kicking to the groin, fingerjabs R allowed and more nasty stuff.
minasz 1 year ago
This is no kickboxing or Muay Thai.
Muay Thai has no groundfight.
And the man got his strong side forward (rightside) like in the phylosophy of JKD.
minasz 1 year ago
where is the JKD there? i can't see it e_e
06Alucard06 1 year ago 2
MMA practitioners could be considered JKD practitioner could they not? JKD is not a style and from my understanding Wing Chun does not need to be the core. Is it what works best in the situation you're in. I am not no JKD expert but thats just my understanding.
iApna 1 year ago 7
@iApna In my opinion you ve got that right. Im not like many who stick to 70s JKD thinking. I believe Bruce was devoloping and changing his JKD almost weekly, so the 70s JKD could not considered as the JKD. JKD is personal, so if Wing Chun doenst fit in your system, well thats your JKD
minasz 1 year ago
@iApna Well from what i know true JKD hasent got much ground work, so i guess your wrong.
JakyRedEyes 1 year ago
@JakyRedEyes - MMA = Mixed Martial Arts. MMA does not need to include ground fighting, grappling, etc... (but would be foolish not to include it). Dana White called Bruce Lee the greatest MMA fighter that ever existed. Bruce Lee was not known to have great ground fighting skills.
iApna 1 year ago
@iApna Dana White said Bruce Lee was the most influential martial artist of the 20th century, not the best fighter—big difference. But, he was a great trainer also.
clearcombat 1 year ago
@iApna You got it all right. JKD is no style its developping your own fighting skill. Wing Chun doenst have to be the core. It aint mine and I feel I practice the JKD. JKD as a phylosophy, as a system that is. OK JKD phylosophy is how to survive on the streets and there R no rules in what can you do or what is against the rules. Its just Freedom!!
minasz 1 year ago
@minasz - I think regardless of martial-arts background nobody follows rules. I know that the rules subject is a debated one. However, its a simple one. As an example, in Muay-Thai we are trained to clinch and knee the body and head. But its an easy transition to strike the groin. Its also easy to grasp the hair in the clinch and drive knees to the face.
iApna 1 year ago
@iApna Yes its true that no martial art style follow rules. But it learns you how to do this or that. Like Muay Thai learns you how to clinch. And Muay Thai I can say R expert in clinch with gloves. That means when its for real and there R no rules. Most Muay Thai fighter will get in clinch not grabbing your mouth, ears, hair or the eye cuz they R trained not to do that. Or they wont kick you that fast in the groin but try to lowkick you on the thigh instead. Not all Muay Thai fighters offcours
minasz 1 year ago
@iApna At the end its the fighter who wins the fight not the style. Cuz even though you dont grab the hair or poke the eye or kick the groin you can beat the hell out of somebody. A good Cross and Hook on the chin will knock somebody out. So it begins by basics. Defense and Stance I believe. And when its on..its just ON> Peace Mate
minasz 1 year ago
@minasz - I agree its the fighter. Hopefully the fighter wasn't trained by Mr. Miyagi but someone with credible fight experience. Too many trainers out there that haven't fought anyone or fought anyone credible themselves at least.
iApna 1 year ago
@iApna True!!
minasz 1 year ago
@iApna MMA practitioners could not be considered JKD practitioners
since MMA is a sport and JKD is a philosophy that takes the most efficient and effective ways to protect oneself
It only applies things that work in any situation
MMA takes what works from martial arts to fight 1v1 with a lot of rules not always practical on the streets
mageslol 1 year ago
@mageslol - Thats a little short sighted. MMA practitioners do not follow rules on the street. Lets talk about "RULES" then. When was the last time that you were allowed to break you opponents jaw, crack his ribs or snap his legs in class? Let me guess NEVER right? Were you even allowed to spar? JKD philosophy works for MMA. In fact Bruce Lee promoted sparring. But then there would be rules right? Like not killing your opponent or poking out his eyes. Hmm. Sounds like rules to me
iApna 1 year ago
@mageslol - In terms of 1v1 or 1 vs many. First most martial-artist cannot take more than 1 person. The ones that don't spar or compete have little to no chance of taking on more than 1 person if tthat. The most effective way to eliminate someone would be knocking them out and not using sticky hands haha. There are many examples throughout history of boxers knocking multiple people out all over the place. Add MMA to the mix now you got a complete wrecking machine.
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iApna 1 year ago
@iApna Wing Chun is the art of defending against multiple opponents. So a single opponent becomes easier in a sense.
LOSTANGELSMUSIC 1 year ago
@LOSTANGELSMUSIC Only in movies. All arts teaches you A way. I feel all ways can bring you to victory. Just train and train hard. At the end its the fighter not the style that wins.
minasz 1 year ago
@iApna well,it's logical enough. But todays MMA is mostly BJJ+Thay Boxing mixed together quite carelessly. Or simply Combat Sambo in Eastern Europe. It's quite obvious, that such technique is not allways sufficient in real life situations. So it's not JKD, if we take stereotype. I practise Nhat Nam my self, so I don't have to mix anything, it's all in it from the start: knees,elbows,submissions and throws,anything you can imagine and helps you tu survive. So it is some sort of JKD for me:)
arimanaz 1 year ago
@arimanaz - Muay-Thai and MMA are a big part of MMA because the combo works. In the same breath however Many MMA practitioners don't know authentic Muay-Thai and make it look very bad. Muay-Thai and BJJ are both very effective for the street. Maybe you can educate me on what aspect of Muay-Thai is not effective. Trust me you don't want to get kicked anywhere in the body by a trained Thai practitioner. Whether thats to your guard or body not anywhere. Because once you fall its game over.
iApna 1 year ago
@iApna I have practced Muay-Thay for several years, but then I found Nhat Nam, wich is similar,but has larger arsenal of dirty tricks and brutal grapling techniques.I like MT,because it is my first martial art and I respect it a lot.But some times it is not enough vs grapler.And BJJ is quite useless in one vs many situation.you dont want to be on the ground when 3 freakin russians are trying to kick beloved head of yours.I know -it's my experience talking:) But I like MMA as a sport.
arimanaz 1 year ago
@arimanaz I kow Nhat Nam. I thought it was an Vietnamese art. I only think its not similair to MT. i feel its more Kung Fu like. Thats another discussion haha.
I agree with you as i also come from Muay Thai and Kyokushin. A man has to be allround to really be a good fighter. Not that you cant knock some grappler out with a good cross hook combination, but when you ve been taken down you are in serious trouble if you dont know how to react. i feel BJJ has great groundgame. Striker + Grappler= MMA
minasz 1 year ago
@minasz kung fu has many styles of dancing,without knowing the true meaning of moves:) but it's my personal opinion.About NN similarity to MT- it has same striking technique. If you want to see something like NN- check out Muey Boran. It looks very alike. Some NN practitioners even fight in MT tournaments. You may find it kung fu like because of animal forms. Tiger,snake and bla bla. And one funny thing: after 10 years of NN practice I understand MT much better. And yes, it is Vietnamese.
arimanaz 1 year ago
@arimanaz Hey man. I know the style believe me. Its a nice style. To me its like Kung fu..but hey its just the way I see it. I know Muay Boran also. Thats more Muay Thai with a lot of grapplin in it. But cool man..peace.
minasz 1 year ago
@minasz where are you from? Nhat Nam is popular in Russia, som post soviet countries, in Lithuania especially:) I know some people does NN in France and Switzerland, England. It's quite exotic, so usualy no one knows about it.
arimanaz 1 year ago
@arimanaz im from Holland and im interested in all kinds of arts and techniques as I believe in the JKD philosophy. Absorb what is usefull and reject whats useless. So therefor ive know this style.
minasz 1 year ago
@minasz cool man. Good luck in achieving your goal.
arimanaz 1 year ago
@arimanaz Thanks mate..Just Keep your mind objective and your eyes wide open!
minasz 1 year ago
@arimanaz - Plus who the hell uses grappling in a 3 on 1 situation? Nobody needs dirty tricks to knock someone out. You want to hit someone hit them. No need in wasting time.
iApna 1 year ago
@iApna I do agree,that there's no big deal to simply knock out someone of your own size.But in real life situation your oponent can be twice as big and stupid as dinosaur.And god knows what he may do to mess you up.So then you use dirty tricks.Not waisting time boxing with him or smth.Some dudes can take serious punishment,especially when on drugs.One friend of mine,kickboxer,got into a street fight.He broke guys nose, damaged his knee,kracked finger-that freakin zombie just kept coming at him.
arimanaz 1 year ago
@arimanaz - You don't get it do you. Size of a person does not matter. I know guys that have 20-40lbs on me and I'm 6'1 - 200lbs. They couldn't hurt me if their life depended on it. But then guys I know 30-40 pounds lighter than me are knocking guys out my size and larger. Based on your comments you're a fuckin phony you don't have much or any experience in martial-arts. Go talk shit to someone else you're not going to win this debate because I know my shit and I live it everyday.
iApna 1 year ago
@iApna based on your comments you are a hysteric woman and no martial artist. You use a lot of words like ,,fuck" and ,,fucking", so I guess it is big part of your life. In conclusion, you are a hysteric woman who fucks a lot. A prostitute.
arimanaz 1 year ago
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@arimanaz - blah blah blah - You go lick your mom.
iApna 1 year ago
@arimanaz - At the end of day bros, when you are being pressured to react to a possible physical confrontation you will have to strike or grapple your opponent. The most effective striking art is Muay-Thai and the most effective grappling art is BJJ. Sounds like a winning combination to me. But technique is not the only thing you have to worry about. Its all the ability to engage your opponent the fight psychology behind it. MMA and Muay-Thai training is fantastic at developing that mind set.
iApna 1 year ago
@iApna Those arts stem from and are contained inside of TRUE Wing Chun. Not the trapped in a box teachings.
LOSTANGELSMUSIC 1 year ago
@LOSTANGELSMUSIC you smoke too much weeeed,my friend. At least say ,, JKD", not Wing Chun, then it would look more logical. I do respect your love for martial art of yours, but you must agree, that martial arts like TKD, MT,BJJ,WING CHUN have different history and were made for different purposes. so they work on different fuel and are separate in all categories. Well,maybe not in all,but in most.
arimanaz 1 year ago
@arimanaz Understand that Bruce developed JKD from Wing Chun. He just simply says you should learn whatever will help you defend yourself. Just as an example. I've fought against many styles; mma, goju ryu, tkd, mt, shotokan, us boxing, chinese boxing, capuera, etc. I do have my own fighting technique. That's the purpose of Wing Chun, to unlock YOU. I'm undefeated. I incorporate everything yet find everything is in Wing Chun Kuen when I learn. They've been studying in Brazil since before Gracies
LOSTANGELSMUSIC 1 year ago
The bulk of BJJ grappling can be found in Wing Chun. If you just watch grand masters display traditional movements you'll lose grasp on what it's all about. Look at the movement of Bruce, Samo, Jackie Chan, Jet Lee, etc. You see they don't stand in some traditional positioning that we learn. The stances are simply ways of building strength in limbs and ligaments as well as recovering from throws and stiffing takedowns. Not meant for all around combat. I studied Shotokan First. 46-0-0.
LOSTANGELSMUSIC 1 year ago
@iApna BJJ and MT is two different martial arts with different history and essence. I am lucky,because Nhat Nam (martial art I practice) have reached Europe unchanged as it was in 14 century- created for breaking bones and kicking heads of intruders. So there's strikes like Thai boxing( 8 limbs) and all the dirty tricks you can imagine+sneaky grapling like BJJ, but in some different way-do your job on the ground as quickly as posible. So in my case I dont have to mix anything.
arimanaz 1 year ago
@arimanaz - BTW.. The US Army uses MMA to train their fighters which includes Muay-Thai, boxing, BJJ amongst a host of other arts. Questions?
/watch?v=qEDkzD0ULKo
iApna 1 year ago
@iApna But in that case of army training every technique is adapted to survival.it means that strikes to the eyes,throat,balls and other vital points are added, and wat is illegal in MMA, is practised in military training.So why dont they use techniques of traditional martial arts like Nhat Nam?When it's tournement-we use MMA rules,but mostly we train for survival situations.End when you are in need of dirty tricks-it's all in it,from the 14 century.Well combined and balanced for you.:)
arimanaz 1 year ago
@arimanaz - I'm tired of idiots talking rules. Who the fuck says I or any MMA fighter would fight with rules on the street? Eyes, throats, balls, are just fuckin targets. I hit them if I want. I can transition from hitting the face, to the stomach, to the throat back down to the balls, then smash the legs quicker than a rabbit can fuck.
I work on developing the technique and power to smash my opponents. If my opponent cannot walk they cannot hit me. Therefore I can do what the fuck I want.
iApna 1 year ago
@arimanaz most MMA fighters don't know true Thai Boxing. They know TKD. The American adaptation of Thai Boxing. All stems from Wing Chun though. Learn the core and you'll get all the aspects. Wing Chun is the sphere that surrounds the arts. Not a style at all.
LOSTANGELSMUSIC 1 year ago
@LOSTANGELSMUSIC I do agre with the first sentence of yours, but the rest I find quite confusing. Are you saying,that Wing Chun surraunds all arts in the concept of JKD, or it is the core of JKD, or you are trying to conclude that all arts in some sence are Wing chun?:)
arimanaz 1 year ago
@arimanaz Offcourse Wing Chun is NO JKD. JKD is having no style. Its a personal way of fighting.
minasz 1 year ago
@arimanaz All Kung Fu was originated by Shaolin masters and shared with military elites for the strengthening of china. Think about it. The story of Huo Yuanjia isn't fake. He took on all styles and smashed every one of them. He was a practitioner of Shaolin Arts. Wing Chun is the core and pinnacle of Shaolin Arts. Techniques used for survival and determent as well as tournament fighting. Also check out Chin Na. Really effective for protection and stems from Wing Chun.
LOSTANGELSMUSIC 1 year ago
@LOSTANGELSMUSIC dude,and what about other martial arts?I can simply say,that core of martial arts is Nhat Nam, because it has every aspect of each.But it would be wrong.We just don't know alhistory of all martial arts.I just can't agree with your statement,that every martial art comes from WC.Do not turn that martial art of yours in to religion.
arimanaz 1 year ago
@LOSTANGELSMUSIC Sorry but there are many fighters from Muay Thai in MMA. Saying that there from TKD is funny. Wing Chun has its good and bad. I dont think Wing Chun as a style would survive an allrounc fighter (Striker + Grappler). And no MMA aint a sport only. And no Wing Chun has no real grapplin in it. But like I said. at the end its the fighter that wins the fight.
minasz 1 year ago
Bruce Lee introduced MMA to the world at the beginning of Enter The Dragon. MMA, BJJ, TKD, etc. stems from Wing Chun. Those are actually a few of the components of Wing Chun. Utilizing every aspect is what made Bruce so effective. It's not just knowing martial arts but becoming martial arts. It must flow through who you are to unlock your full potential.
LOSTANGELSMUSIC 1 year ago
@LOSTANGELSMUSIC - Bruce Lee dumped Wing Chun, because it was useless. Go research that for yourself. I am not sure the true roots of BJJ. But Muay-Thai stemmed from India not from China.
iApna 1 year ago
@iApna He didnt dump Wing Chun, He started with it as the core, but still he threw out a lot of garbage. At the end (72/73) It almost had no wing chun...No trapping. He thought the trapping was not so realistic. It was more Boxing, Kicking and grappling. Check out his last movie Game of Death the last part fighting in the tower. No Wing Chun. Just knuckles and Kicks with some grapplin. Thats why he wore the yellow suite. He wanted to be the fighter with NO style while he faught those stylist.
minasz 1 year ago
@iApna That is what i should be. But still you have many JKDers argue this and say it has to be what Lee trained but forgetting his JKD was alwayz in a process. He stated Absorb whats usefull and reject whats useless. Meaning this in a personal matter. Im saying we are Not Bruce lee. So what workded for him doesnt have to work for me. And thats why Train what benefits you in every situation.
minasz 1 year ago
@iApna Not really. There are some things that you need in order for it to be JKD. A concentration on intercepting for one. Strong side forward is almost universally seen as a necessary principle for it to be JKD.
FalseShadowx 1 year ago
@iApna Not really though, mma doesnt use loads of the principles of JKD. like the lower sidekick to the shin.
OwayneKhoo93 1 year ago
@OwayneKhoo93 - Huh? You do realize many of the MMA fighters use Muay-Thai as their striking art right? Thai's kick the hardest and use shins to kick and block. Kicking an MMA practitioners shin is useless unless its used simply for distraction or setup of another strike. Side kicking the knee inward makes sense but hard because we don't stand straight legged. Side kick the body and head but the shin is a waste of time on an MMA practitioner and/or Muay-Thai fighter.
/watch?v=-zA1Xt5N0pE
iApna 1 year ago
@iApna In competitions,its mainly used as a distraction or a stop hit. he comes,u kick his shin. It does hurt btw,even though it doesnt do much damage. Its a demoralising kick. Makes the oponent attack less confidently. And in streetfights with shoes on,thats a different story haha.
OwayneKhoo93 1 year ago
@OwayneKhoo93 - I can see that hurting an untrained fighters for sure. Never a Muay-Thai or MMA fighter. Don't even bother trying it. You would get laughed at then ribs crushed by the same shin that you tried to kick. Too bad your instructor didn't tell you that.
Look through youtube videos on Muay-Thai fight clips and you will understand what I'm saying. We use our legs/shin extensively:
/watch?v=EIHeyyLsBwU
iApna 1 year ago
@iApna Dude, muay thai was my main style back then. The lower side kick to me is prooven againts muay thai because generally muay thai has weaker footwork than traditional martial arts even though it may be superior. And again,it isnt a knockout move so dont say that its useless againts a hard shinned person. For example the jab,it has its uses even though the knockout isnt its main objective. And dont tell me you can withstand a full powered lower sidekick without avoiding.thats absurd.
OwayneKhoo93 1 year ago
@OwayneKhoo93 - Dude - If you were in Thai then you would full understand the use of certain strikes. Some are for distractions like you said a Jab could be used for. A sidekick is very effective waist up. Below the knee would be much more difficult to execute, generate force and you also leave yourself open to receive vicious counter roundhouse to the body, legs and head. In a barefoot situation your foot would probably slide down the shin and hurt your foot more then the other person.
iApna 1 year ago
@iApna I bet you have never seen anyone do a lower side kick. But I can fully guarantee you that lower side kicks are WAY more accurate and easy to execute than above waist side kicks ;) And more effective at stopping the person too.
You do thai only right? No traditional martial arts? Well, generally the side kick isnt used much in muay thai,so you probably feel really clumsy using it. Maybe il post a vid sometime in the future?
OwayneKhoo93 1 year ago
@OwayneKhoo93 - I do both Muay-Thai and MMA. I tried them in class before to the shin but I found them to risky and ineffective. I use side kicks to the body waist and up. I try to nail the liver, floating ribs, upper chest (heart), etc... I want maximum compression, causing maximum damage to internal organs. I do strike shins but only to get a reaction from my opponent like dropping his hands. I use them as annoyances. People with no ring experience fall for it 99% of the time.
iApna 1 year ago
@iApna I find them to be the least risky attack in fighting because it uses the concept of the longest weapon to the nearest target. Suggest what risk it would do to you? When i first read bout the lower side kick and tried it in muay thai class, i was like'this sucks!' i had no control over it and i felt that it lacked so much power. Even though i did taekwondo. But I began fooling around with it and practising it and 1 day I decided to give it a try again and,hey! it wokred! Real powerful too!
OwayneKhoo93 1 year ago
@OwayneKhoo93 - The longest weapon to the closest target doesn't always work. You can "choke" your strike out. Kind of like trying to roundhouse someone when a clinch/knee would be a better choice. The problem I found is trying to side kick the shin can result in receiving a roundhouse to the body and/or face.
iApna 1 year ago
@iApna Well,nothing always works. And the shin sidekick is mostly used in a snapping manner, where you withdraw yourself from danger right after you execute it. Kind of like a jab. Although sometimes it is used to attack thrusting right into the knee/thigh. And I dont think you might want to use a roundhouse againts a lower sidekick, by standing on one leg,the lower side kick might injure the standing knee or make you fall. It most probably would hit first too,since its the longest to the closes
OwayneKhoo93 1 year ago
@iApna Well, JKD is a way to express oneself, MMA is not an expression of oneself, it has a crystalized teaching method and so on. All respect to MMA practitioners.
GabbysMyKittyRawr 1 year ago
@GabbysMyKittyRawr mma is jkd in reality,whatever works is used.mma has no defined teaching method nor arts that it incorporates,it could be karate and judo or boxing and wrestling or thai and bjj,anything really,its just that certain arts have proven most effective and people think of that combo as mma.Jkd has certain principles that make it jkd,mma does not,other than the rules.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 Its not JKD, MMA is a sport, its defined teaching methods are the rules: hence the reason why I said it was crystalized.
Not that theres anything wrong with MMA, it can be applied to proper combat, but JKD is not MMA, because of a different set of principles, namely: JKD is meant for realistic combat, not competition or sport.
And in any case, MMA cannot be JKD, because JKD is different from person to person.
Please don't judge them on the same level, both useful martial arts but-
GabbysMyKittyRawr 1 year ago
@GabbysMyKittyRawr well jkd might be for realistic combat but has yet to show it can even be used in sport combat while still adhering to its core principals.The SBG organisation was originally called functional jkd but hadnt the principles of jkd apart from using what worked in sparring.MMA is different from person to person depending on background and strategy
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 Yes, thats true, it can be used for sport, and MMA is different from person to person, but most MMA fighters are based in Muay Thai, Western Boxing, Wrestling, Jiu Jutsu, Judo, and one was even a Karate-ka, and the reason they use them, is because those martial arts also have sport forms, you know? MT, WB, Wrestling are well known for having their own tournaments, JiuJutsu/Judo has it's own system of 'Ippon" tournmanets, and Karateka have Kumitae. Where as the Base of Bruce Lee's JKD
GabbysMyKittyRawr 1 year ago
@billysue2 Which is Wing Chun, does not, it can't be used very well in sport for 2 reason, many strikes are not legal, ie: eye striking, neck striking, small joint manipulation, groin striking, and the second reason is that its attack style's are all straight, and everyone knows that a jab that's covered by padding is a very week one.. Just a general out look on JKD, all JKD is different, but I'm basing my argument of Bruce's.
GabbysMyKittyRawr 1 year ago
@billysue2 -One has a different combination from person to person, and the other is arranged from what martial arts tend to be effective for everyone in general.
Before replying, please think of what I said
.Take care,
Cheers!
GabbysMyKittyRawr 1 year ago
@iApna all i saw was Muay Thai. Ummm..... No JKD could be considered Vale tudo or MMA.
tacedgeinc 1 year ago
@iApna but then jkd uses every martial art unlike mma fighters. they cant eye gauge and things like that
holynaboo 1 year ago
@holynaboo - Yes MMA fighters can do whatever they want on the street including eye-gauging, pulling hair, biting, etc... there are no rules. In the ring you cannot eye gauge but not a big deal. You can break the eye orbital, split the skull, break the legs or any other bone in the fighters body. Take a look at this clip it will explain how MMA fighters see their opponents. Its brief, but a good start
/watch?v=-zA1Xt5N0pE
iApna 1 year ago
@holynaboo eye gouging isnt something you can train,so wheter an art uses it is irrelevant.Jkd will look exactly like mma in a real fight.Whats shown in the above video proves that,there was nothing to show that nigger trained jkd,he was a bad kickboxer with some wrestling and terrible newaza.
billysue2 1 year ago
JKD is something you can NOT recodnize.
JKD is just fighting and surviving.
JKD is officially not for the ring, cuz there R rules.
But somebody who trains JKD can fight in a ring...why not.
minasz 1 year ago
@minasz this is not real martial arts in fact none of it is this is MMA style fighting and that my friend is not martial arts
bxrumble 1 year ago
@bxrumble JKD is something personal. JKD from the 70s I believe would be never JKD in 2010! JKD is alwayz devolping and alwayz moving. JKD is not chinese cuz its in the first place includes Western Boxing. Later there was included Muay Thai, Savate, Judo like you see in the Tao of JKD. So JKD is MMA style fighting cuz you mix arts to make what works for you! and only you!!
minasz 1 year ago 3
@minasz
Not to forget Wrestling, Wing Chun and JuiJitsu your right I think it was the first MMA style.
403766 1 year ago
@minasz your own journey in martial arts is something person, JKD is a term Bruce Lee coined to give a name to his philosophies and concepts. Two different things. You can explore and benefit from JKD within your personal Journey. But your personal journey just not equate to JKD.
If someone says "I want to learn JKD" then they start with Lee, and the various curriculum's he taught at different times in his life. You don't walk into a MMA school and say "i want to learn JKD"
johnniefive80 1 year ago
@johnniefive80 No no you R right. Im not saying that. Offcourse not that you walk in an MMA school to learn JKD. Im meant MMA is just Mixing arts. The fighter uses what it fits best for him. Like the MMA have wrestling and Boxing and the other is Kickboxing and Jiu Jiutsu. Cuz JKD is air, water how you want to call it. Yes you may start with Lee's JKD but still Lee was changing his system allmost every month. So then its very difficult, cuz he died while still improving his system.
minasz 1 year ago
@minasz You can't follow his JKD because it is a part of Wing Chun. Basically, the art of developing one's self. Therefore, you can't look at an ever evolving individual and mimic them. You must yourself evolve. It then becomes YOUR system of JKD that is effective for YOU and ever evolving as you grow in life. That's what makes the "philosophy" of martial arts so effective and adapted in any situation. Even an octagon with rules. Those rules work to the advantage of one who adapts & evolves.
LOSTANGELSMUSIC 1 year ago
@LOSTANGELSMUSIC Yes JKD started out with Wing Chun, Boxing and fencing. But as Bruce trained he checked out other styles. Jiu Jiutsu, Judo, Muay Thai ect Added and threw out a lot of garbage. At the end its not this or that, Its your own personal way of fighting. So I dont believe JKD is Wing Chun. For me JKD could even be something without Wing Chun. Cuz its a system, A boat to get you on the other side of the river. What kind of boat?. Not an Eastern or Western. Not black nor White. Its yours
minasz 1 year ago
The purpose of Wing Chun is to be free flowing. The stances and drills are not designed to be used in combat. More to adjust one's physical mechanics and strength level. TRUE Wing Chun is not about getting close to an opponent or not. Alot of the arts today are taught as a means of combat as opposed to a means to unlock one's movement and natural ability. Just as great basketball players don't move just like the drills they do. It helps one to flow freely. Adaptation is key. Not form. JKD is WC
LOSTANGELSMUSIC 1 year ago
@minasz dude... jun fan jeet kune do is chinese(jun fan being bruce lees chinese name). JKD was an evolution of mostly wing chun and iron palm kung fu. where did you get western boxing and french kick boxing(savate) from?? the entire principle behind JKD, in the words of bruce lee is to flow like water rather than swimming on land meaning that your defence and offence are simultaneous and calculated rather than dictated by a law set by a style hence the name "way of the intercepting fist"
aratisbug 1 year ago
@aratisbug Mate, If you read Bruce Lees Tao of JKD you will see that Bruce studied many styles and made notes. He wanted to learn about them and use what worked for him. JKD started with Wing Chun, but at the end it was mostly Kickboxing with little Wing Chun in it. Bruce Lee was alwayz wanted himself to be better. He said he was a student, meaning he alwayz kept on learning. About Iron Palm, thats not true. JKD first was Wing Chun and western boxing. Later he add Judo, Jiu Jiutsu, muay thai ect
minasz 1 year ago
@aratisbug he was very influenced by boxing and certainly savate style kicking,but the core of jkd is wing chun,it had to be since thats where most of his training took place.jkd isnt chinese or any other nationality.There is no iron palm in jkd,bruce didnt rate classical kung foolery
billysue2 1 year ago