Another thing I noted about the road... is that he's not on it. Why trample some poor sod's wheat when there's a perfectly sevicable road within throwing distance?
A very minor quibble: There have been cases where roads would display two very prominent tracks, with a seeming gap in the middle historically. Wheel use leaves grooves, which in some cases were deliberately maintained (e.g. Warring States China, where changes in groove separation were used to control borders and toll vehicles), which might look somewhat like the picture. That said, those would be very wide grooves, of the sort unlikely before 1940ish.
I remember thinking when I watched this, what's that crop supposed to be? It looks a bit odd to me although I have no idea how tall authentic roman cereals are supposed to be. It's more barley than wheat to my eyes but I wouldn't be surprised if they set up grass especially selected for its -willowy- effect.
Isn't he dead though? So doesn't that explain how he travels so quickly and why there are no boarders for the wheat? I haven't seen the entire movie though, I just sort of know the ending a bit.
Did you ever see the Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut?
@MiRyRE He does the ride when he is very much alive, arriving to find his family murdered. He had galloped the whole way, which makes one wonder how the order to kill them arrived before he did. I supposed they faxed it through.
Didn't the Romans have a system of messenger posts where a messenger could get his exhausted horse exchanged for a fresh one? If the messengers had access to fresh horses, but Maximus had only the one horse then thats a possible explanation.
@KaMiK2205 The Chinese had that for the Emperor, but I don't think the Romans did, and certainly not standing ready from anywhere to anywhere. Besides, Maximus gallops the whole way WITHOUT changing horses.
@lindybeige no, but 8-12 inches is still a significant difference, is it not? (although granted I dont know the average height of the ancient egyptians)
@IVscythia Depending on the time period and living conditions, a full grown man would be on average around 5'-5'6". Better food and water usually made the nobles a bit taller.
@IVscythia This is a question I have: are ancient Egyptians shorter compared to Modern Egyptians or to Europeans? In the latter case Egyptians are still shorter...
Gladiator was good for what it was, a movie. Not a historical documentary. I can notice much of what is wrong with it when watching it, but you must realize it is a movie, and a good movie at that.
For a person who is so obsesses with historical accuracy, you seem to be quite happy with ignoring the fact that it isn't wheat but barley. I'm just teasing you ofc, since it doesn't really make a difference at all. Just saying, if you want to be very scrupulous, you should be it all the way through :D
Anyways, as always it's been very entertaining watching you bash inaccurate historical depiction in Hollywood movies.
Can you bash "The 13th Warrior" some time? As a Scandinavian I'd enjoy it alot
Unfortunately, I agree, and what you have said holds true for most of the film... With the budget funneled into it, one would have hoped that they would have used the money to create an accurate film. Rather then a very small number of accuracies nestled into a much bigger bundle of just wrong facts. And tied all around with what could have been a good fantasy plot, but wasn't very good at all. Great video, look forwards to more.
for arguments sake: its possible the wheat could not be fully grown. also I got the impression that he was dead or dying in this scene, and either imagining his reunion with his family (that were also dead) or he was meeting them in the afterlife (hence the lack of weeds)
@Keasri Actually, not much. I recall being very bored at one point. The real story of Commodus would have been far more interesting. It was all just daft from start to finish, often predictable, and when not predictable, disappointing.
We want a ''Loyd Rants while watching historical movies series!'' featuring loyd continiously pointing out the points which DO NOT BOTHER HIM while watching the movie. Pointing out all the fun intricate historical details that are purposely left out ofcourse for our own holywood experience.
@BrutusAlbion Perhaps the sellers of special-edition DVDs are missing out, and they should have a commentary track by people like me. Some might prefer it to directors' coming up with hind-sighted reasons for their decisions, and actors telling us how wonderful the rest of the casts were to work with.
@lindybeige Funny you should mention that. The Mystery Science Theatre guys have demonstrated that there's at least some demand for alternative commentaty with Rifftrax. Not sure how well the pacing of a historical innacuracies rant track would work, though.
Also, I noticed one more thing the fimmakers obviously forgot, that Russel Crowe wasn't alive during that period in time. So logically, there should be 'no' man walking in that field.
@lindybeige Yes, but only when it is abnormal. Example: "I went to the post office" - Truth. "I went to the post office and a cat slipped off the cutter and fell on my head" - Possibly also truth, but somewhat incredible, therefore interesting.
The only part of Gladiator I liked was the first 5 minutes, in spite of the machine-gun archers and the other glaring errors. The movie went WAAAY downhill after that, and Commodus didn't die in the Arena but was choked to death by a gladiator-friend hired by his wife, his mistress, and a gaggle of nasty senators.
Brave Heart - with so many historical inaccuracies it becomes a satire, mainly the battle of Stirling Bridge.....with out the bridge (maybe the budget was short)
And
The latest and most appauling Robin Hood, in which a ledgendary character 'invents' Magna Carta and soaks his bow string only to be able to shoot straight and kill the 'baddie'
Now that was both interesting and funny, although I also understand the needs for the producer to cut down special effects costs where it's not strongly needed. And obviously gladiator wasn't meant to be an historical movie.
Anyway I greatly appreciate the efforts you made in editing and adding fancy animations to this, and I think you should be proud of the final result. It's not like I don't like your face in your regular videos, but I'm now expecting more of that kind in the future.
Was ancient wheat that much taller than an average individual? I've seen fields of Emmer and Einkorn wheat (supposedly ancient cultivars) and they're nowhere near head height, even allowing for relatively shorter ancient Egyptians. I suppose those too might have changed over the centuries.
@hathiphnath Yes, and I don't entirely like it. I recorded it under my duvet. On the plus side, it means far less hiss, and greater clarity. However, I noticed a remote and sneering tone in my voice that normally isn't there.
I could say that this is supposed to be the roman afterlife as it is shown after he dies in the film, so everything could be different i guess! You actually missed the main thing wrong, the fact that it isn't even Russel Crowe in the picture! Great vid as always.
You sure its not just tall grass? My neighbor hasnt cut their's in...well, quite a long time. It kinda looks like wheat now but isnt as tall as "ancient wheat". Sorry if it was actually stated in the movie that it was wheat. I havent watched it in a long time. Also, great point about the road.
The hight of ancient wheat is why they managed with sicles and reaping hooks instead of scythes. It can be hard to find rural landscapes unaffected by the modern world for filming. But I suppose Riddley Scott did not try very hard when he filmed the the opening battle in a plantation forest with regular rows of Pinus Radiata of the same age.
@MrMonkeybat I love the shot in Robin Hood Prince of Thieves when they say they'll hide in Sherwood Forest, and the camera zooms in to a modern straight-rowed conifer plantation.
Isn't this this scene from the END of the movie? So he's dead in this scene and didn't really gallop anywhere at all. When he rides home in the beginning, he's in brown rags and his wife and son are burnt along with the rest of the property.
@awlach8 Yes, this is a fantasy scene. After his astonishing gallop, he finds his wife murdered. It was a complication irrelevant to my point, unless, perhaps, it were argued that a Roman's vision of paradise would be like a modern landscape.
Yeah its a movie, i think we all know its not suppose to be vary historically accurate. But one would think that they would at least make a good attempt.
You just had to pick EVERY detail that is wrong about Gladiator. Not that i oppose it, in fact i just happen to hate almost every goddam hollywood history movie. ESPECIALLY BRAVEHEART. YOU SHOULD DO BRAVEHEART NEXT.
This is him going to heaven so its just an hallucination caused by massive blood loss basically its bound to be full of mistakes the human mind cant create perfectly flawless images
Not to sound completely against your arguments, but do you truly expect the filmmakers to get every single small aspect of a location or costume correct? Sometimes I'm sure they are ignorant of the truth of ancient locale, or armor, or anything of the sort, but I don't expect them to have every detail perfectly represented. In other words it still appears to be "good enough."
Sorry if I seem hostile--that is not my intention--but I just feel as if you sometimes expect too much from Hollywood.
@MitsuhideTheVagrant The costume designer for this film stated flatly that the way the people actually dressed back then "wouldn't have worked". Arrogance of that level I find distasteful.
I second this! If Lloyd would produce a series of himself watching movies and critiquing them for historical accuracy I would buy three copies of each!
Well Egyptians were 4ft tall, while Russel Corw looks around 6 ft tall. To get teh aspect ratio right you would have to hir a short actor or grow some very tall wheat.
@erock195 Ancient Egyptians were an average height of 5:3. Russel Crowe's height is 5:10 while the average Roman of the time was around 5:5
Russel could have been shortened by the old studio trick of having the actor walk in a hidden trench for the wheat scene. However to gain the same effecting action of the wheat tips touching the actor's hands they would of had to put him on horseback.
@Divertedflight Or he could have looked up into the sun through the ears of wheat. Where do you get your heights from? Many estimated heights have been adjusted upwards in recent years.
@lindybeige Where did I get my heights from? Just notes taken from the internet over the years from those who've done studies on found skeletons. Actually it just occurred to me that the averages I mentioned would probably include females; so naturally the standard soldier would of been taller than the figures I gave.
Interestingly the height of the average European actually went up after the fall of the Roman empire.
My guess is that it was due to the influx of Germanic groups.
@erock195 They do still grow spelt, and you can buy it in shops. Given that until recently most filmic chainmail was knitted and sprayed silver, asking them to get agricultural vistas right is maybe too great an ask. Lloyd misses entirely, of course, that Maximus fantasised his whole life about wandering his land on stilts. Why are his wife and child wandering down the road miles from home, more to the point, and why is he standing in the middle of a field, trampling a path through his own crop?
@lindybeige if your going to make a video saying that livestock of today dosnt look like it used to anyone who has been to an impoverished nation knows that, a combination of selective breeding and understanding of genetics leaves us with the super sheep/ super cows of today
Woah aha, totally owned that movie. But what do you honestly expect? It's a movie, it's not supposed to be realistic, unless you want it to be a documentary or something. Still I rather enjoyed the video!
@quicke47 Problem is that quite a lot of people watch movies and think it's real. Gladiator has some mitigating factors; but consider movies like King Arthur and Braveheart, these don't give any clue at all that they are completely unhistorical.
@quicke47 Considering that it's a movie based on history, it kind of ruins your sense of identification with the world it portrays if you're able to point out all sorts of things wrong with it.
@quicke47 Just remembered a few others. Alexander has an Alexander the Great who looks more like he is from Norway, and The Last Legion a legionary who looks like he is from Jamaica.
Sometimes I feel Monty Python and the Holy Grail is more historically accurate than half the "historical" Hollywood movies.
@Crossbowman Well Alex the Fab was blond. Colin Farrell, though, was rather obviously a _bottle_ blond, although even these did exist in the ancient world. Roman women liked to bleach their hair. The body of a high-status negress was found in Roman-period York last year. But yes, Monty Python did get much right that others failed with. Life of Brian is great. Half the cast were history graduates.
@TheAssist It was a fantasy sequence, yes, in which he meets his still-living wife. In the film, he makes the journey to find her dead. I didn't have time to explain this.
Another thing I noted about the road... is that he's not on it. Why trample some poor sod's wheat when there's a perfectly sevicable road within throwing distance?
Beriorn 1 month ago 4
A very minor quibble: There have been cases where roads would display two very prominent tracks, with a seeming gap in the middle historically. Wheel use leaves grooves, which in some cases were deliberately maintained (e.g. Warring States China, where changes in groove separation were used to control borders and toll vehicles), which might look somewhat like the picture. That said, those would be very wide grooves, of the sort unlikely before 1940ish.
TheKaygent 1 month ago
I enjoyed Gladiator...so I'll just ignore this one blithely
91Roadwarrior 2 months ago
@91Roadwarrior Commenting on it was not a good start.
lindybeige 2 months ago 2
@lindybeige You have me there
91Roadwarrior 1 month ago
I remember thinking when I watched this, what's that crop supposed to be? It looks a bit odd to me although I have no idea how tall authentic roman cereals are supposed to be. It's more barley than wheat to my eyes but I wouldn't be surprised if they set up grass especially selected for its -willowy- effect.
KnockoffNigeI 2 months ago
It seems like most of the problems come from not wanting to spend days recreating things :p
darkmantlestudios 2 months ago
Why not say what's wrong with every shot in Gladiator?
kajillion 2 months ago
@kajillion It's partly to do with the length of time the universe has existed, and my lifespan in ratio to it.
lindybeige 2 months ago 3
Isn't he dead though? So doesn't that explain how he travels so quickly and why there are no boarders for the wheat? I haven't seen the entire movie though, I just sort of know the ending a bit.
Did you ever see the Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut?
MiRyRE 2 months ago
@MiRyRE He does the ride when he is very much alive, arriving to find his family murdered. He had galloped the whole way, which makes one wonder how the order to kill them arrived before he did. I supposed they faxed it through.
No, I saw K of H at the cinema only.
lindybeige 2 months ago
@lindybeige
Didn't the Romans have a system of messenger posts where a messenger could get his exhausted horse exchanged for a fresh one? If the messengers had access to fresh horses, but Maximus had only the one horse then thats a possible explanation.
KaMiK2205 2 months ago
@KaMiK2205 The Chinese had that for the Emperor, but I don't think the Romans did, and certainly not standing ready from anywhere to anywhere. Besides, Maximus gallops the whole way WITHOUT changing horses.
lindybeige 2 months ago
i initially liked the film gladiator but pretty soon after i come to find it extremely flawed...simialr thing happened with braveheart
geordiekimbo2 5 months ago
well, yes ancient wheat was taller, but were'nt ancient people also a lot shorter (at least in egypt and around the mediterrainien in general)?
IVscythia 5 months ago
@IVscythia Not much, but a little, yes. They weren't midgets, though.
lindybeige 5 months ago
@lindybeige no, but 8-12 inches is still a significant difference, is it not? (although granted I dont know the average height of the ancient egyptians)
IVscythia 5 months ago
@lindybeige and anyway, I like your analasys as a whole
IVscythia 5 months ago
@IVscythia Depending on the time period and living conditions, a full grown man would be on average around 5'-5'6". Better food and water usually made the nobles a bit taller.
Rezkeshdadesh 5 months ago
@IVscythia This is a question I have: are ancient Egyptians shorter compared to Modern Egyptians or to Europeans? In the latter case Egyptians are still shorter...
initvesa 4 months ago
@initvesa Slightly, but not much.
lindybeige 4 months ago
Its wonderful to hear the word "Lorry" again.
NoFaithNoPain 5 months ago
Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease do a gladiator review
moesbrotha 6 months ago
The shot is not from when he have been riding his horse. its from when he meets his family in the afterlife.. just pointing that out
MooseHunter911 8 months ago
Gladiator was good for what it was, a movie. Not a historical documentary. I can notice much of what is wrong with it when watching it, but you must realize it is a movie, and a good movie at that.
Roflcopter4b 8 months ago
someone prob already asked this question but did you like the movie Gladiator?
APPLEPIE978 8 months ago
@APPLEPIE978 No. I thought it was very dull. At one point I had to fight the urge to stand up in the cinema and call out "Anyone fancy a pint?"
lindybeige 8 months ago
I think that you meant "herbicides" rather than "pesticides" when talking about the absence of weeds.
Wikimancer 8 months ago
@Wikimancer Yes, this has already been pointed out to me. If I turn pro, I might start writing scripts.
lindybeige 8 months ago
I stand corrected (maybe). The wheat I know has short "hairs", but it seems there are some sorts of wheat with long hair, similar to that of barley.
berg89dk 8 months ago
For a person who is so obsesses with historical accuracy, you seem to be quite happy with ignoring the fact that it isn't wheat but barley. I'm just teasing you ofc, since it doesn't really make a difference at all. Just saying, if you want to be very scrupulous, you should be it all the way through :D
Anyways, as always it's been very entertaining watching you bash inaccurate historical depiction in Hollywood movies.
Can you bash "The 13th Warrior" some time? As a Scandinavian I'd enjoy it alot
berg89dk 8 months ago
Unfortunately, I agree, and what you have said holds true for most of the film... With the budget funneled into it, one would have hoped that they would have used the money to create an accurate film. Rather then a very small number of accuracies nestled into a much bigger bundle of just wrong facts. And tied all around with what could have been a good fantasy plot, but wasn't very good at all. Great video, look forwards to more.
tomcat2222 8 months ago
Literally had me in tears of laughter. If there was a list of 'blokes you should go for a pint with' you'd be on it.
wesmatron 8 months ago
for arguments sake: its possible the wheat could not be fully grown. also I got the impression that he was dead or dying in this scene, and either imagining his reunion with his family (that were also dead) or he was meeting them in the afterlife (hence the lack of weeds)
bretlynn 8 months ago 3
@bretlynn The wheat is not green, therefore it is grown (or all dead).
lindybeige 8 months ago
@lindybeige its afterlife wheat so it must be dead lol
bretlynn 8 months ago
too funny. i'd love to see him try to review Braveheart, but it would take too long.
ChuckDuke1 8 months ago
You are funny.
Did you find the movie enjoyable even with these inaccuracies?
Keasri 8 months ago
@Keasri Actually, not much. I recall being very bored at one point. The real story of Commodus would have been far more interesting. It was all just daft from start to finish, often predictable, and when not predictable, disappointing.
lindybeige 8 months ago
We want a ''Loyd Rants while watching historical movies series!'' featuring loyd continiously pointing out the points which DO NOT BOTHER HIM while watching the movie. Pointing out all the fun intricate historical details that are purposely left out ofcourse for our own holywood experience.
BrutusAlbion 8 months ago
@BrutusAlbion Perhaps the sellers of special-edition DVDs are missing out, and they should have a commentary track by people like me. Some might prefer it to directors' coming up with hind-sighted reasons for their decisions, and actors telling us how wonderful the rest of the casts were to work with.
lindybeige 8 months ago 5
@lindybeige Funny you should mention that. The Mystery Science Theatre guys have demonstrated that there's at least some demand for alternative commentaty with Rifftrax. Not sure how well the pacing of a historical innacuracies rant track would work, though.
ShanksAndy 8 months ago
Good thing he didn't see the movie mistake which features a man with jeans in the movie.
DisturbedbyDeth356 8 months ago
Do I detect a new Asterix character? Wheatabix?
;)
wesmatron 8 months ago 2
Also, I noticed one more thing the fimmakers obviously forgot, that Russel Crowe wasn't alive during that period in time. So logically, there should be 'no' man walking in that field.
Oh hollywood.
MagicAccent 8 months ago
Most people dont realise just how dull an absolutly historically accurate film would be.
SuperJogvan 8 months ago
@SuperJogvan I disagree. My experience is that realism makes films more interesting. When shown realism, people recognise it.
lindybeige 8 months ago 12
@lindybeige But stories must be slightly unbelievable.
SuperJogvan 8 months ago
@SuperJogvan Why? Is not truth stranger than fiction?
lindybeige 8 months ago
@lindybeige Yes, but only when it is abnormal. Example: "I went to the post office" - Truth. "I went to the post office and a cat slipped off the cutter and fell on my head" - Possibly also truth, but somewhat incredible, therefore interesting.
SuperJogvan 8 months ago
The only part of Gladiator I liked was the first 5 minutes, in spite of the machine-gun archers and the other glaring errors. The movie went WAAAY downhill after that, and Commodus didn't die in the Arena but was choked to death by a gladiator-friend hired by his wife, his mistress, and a gaggle of nasty senators.
Polymarkos 8 months ago
May I suggest another two films?
Brave Heart - with so many historical inaccuracies it becomes a satire, mainly the battle of Stirling Bridge.....with out the bridge (maybe the budget was short)
And
The latest and most appauling Robin Hood, in which a ledgendary character 'invents' Magna Carta and soaks his bow string only to be able to shoot straight and kill the 'baddie'
AlexPrestage 8 months ago
Now that was both interesting and funny, although I also understand the needs for the producer to cut down special effects costs where it's not strongly needed. And obviously gladiator wasn't meant to be an historical movie.
Anyway I greatly appreciate the efforts you made in editing and adding fancy animations to this, and I think you should be proud of the final result. It's not like I don't like your face in your regular videos, but I'm now expecting more of that kind in the future.
Madgobo 8 months ago
The road isn't straight.
MrDeverill 8 months ago
@MrDeverill Not all roads in the Roman Empire were dead straight. Many of the major ones were fairly straight, though.
lindybeige 8 months ago
Not 100% certain but I thought that RC was supposed to be riding back from Dacia, not Northern Germany.
Still, he couldn't have ridden that in twenty four hours...
There is a persistent problem with costume designers using leather where they should be using chain, steel or bronze for armours.
Good criticism of the film.
Wien1938 8 months ago
you should make a new series with you ranting about inaccuracies in movies :D
paperjack93 8 months ago
Was ancient wheat that much taller than an average individual? I've seen fields of Emmer and Einkorn wheat (supposedly ancient cultivars) and they're nowhere near head height, even allowing for relatively shorter ancient Egyptians. I suppose those too might have changed over the centuries.
blumbino 8 months ago
Your voice sounds a lot different in this video...
hathiphnath 8 months ago
@hathiphnath Yes, and I don't entirely like it. I recorded it under my duvet. On the plus side, it means far less hiss, and greater clarity. However, I noticed a remote and sneering tone in my voice that normally isn't there.
lindybeige 8 months ago
@lindybeige This is historical documentary narration voice, not "youtube video about what is wrong with a movie with Russell Crowe in it" voice!
KKarron 8 months ago
i like your videos very much . there is only one thing that kinda bugs me and its when you speak your voice only come out of my right speaker .
skots 8 months ago
@skots That is odd. No one else has reported this, and I did record this one in both speakers.
lindybeige 8 months ago
You know what I'd love to hear to tear apart? the last samurai, which I find in comparison to other such films, to be remarkably accurate.
SwordsAndRavens 8 months ago
I have to say I really like how you ignore things.
Railstarfish 8 months ago
I could say that this is supposed to be the roman afterlife as it is shown after he dies in the film, so everything could be different i guess! You actually missed the main thing wrong, the fact that it isn't even Russel Crowe in the picture! Great vid as always.
Grommit8365 8 months ago
You sure its not just tall grass? My neighbor hasnt cut their's in...well, quite a long time. It kinda looks like wheat now but isnt as tall as "ancient wheat". Sorry if it was actually stated in the movie that it was wheat. I havent watched it in a long time. Also, great point about the road.
LotusDragon09 8 months ago
The hight of ancient wheat is why they managed with sicles and reaping hooks instead of scythes. It can be hard to find rural landscapes unaffected by the modern world for filming. But I suppose Riddley Scott did not try very hard when he filmed the the opening battle in a plantation forest with regular rows of Pinus Radiata of the same age.
MrMonkeybat 8 months ago
@MrMonkeybat I love the shot in Robin Hood Prince of Thieves when they say they'll hide in Sherwood Forest, and the camera zooms in to a modern straight-rowed conifer plantation.
lindybeige 8 months ago
more historical inaccuracies rants!!!
ironflea 8 months ago
aha, follow detail buff!
pawakin 8 months ago
another lindybeige classic
LegendShark 8 months ago
actually, thumbs up if you'd want lloyd to say what's wrong with every shot in gladiator :-)
6rasta6bhoy6 8 months ago
I love you. Really, I do.
0ldSandwich 8 months ago
Isn't this this scene from the END of the movie? So he's dead in this scene and didn't really gallop anywhere at all. When he rides home in the beginning, he's in brown rags and his wife and son are burnt along with the rest of the property.
awlach8 8 months ago
@awlach8 Yes, this is a fantasy scene. After his astonishing gallop, he finds his wife murdered. It was a complication irrelevant to my point, unless, perhaps, it were argued that a Roman's vision of paradise would be like a modern landscape.
lindybeige 8 months ago
nice
jmmurdy 8 months ago
Yeah its a movie, i think we all know its not suppose to be vary historically accurate. But one would think that they would at least make a good attempt.
KRiderMan1248 8 months ago
You just had to pick EVERY detail that is wrong about Gladiator. Not that i oppose it, in fact i just happen to hate almost every goddam hollywood history movie. ESPECIALLY BRAVEHEART. YOU SHOULD DO BRAVEHEART NEXT.
ironflea 8 months ago
This is him going to heaven so its just an hallucination caused by massive blood loss basically its bound to be full of mistakes the human mind cant create perfectly flawless images
Chrisindapurplehouse 8 months ago
Damn you, lindybeige! I'm supposed to sleep now, but you're too damn interesting!
moffe247 8 months ago
Could we expect rants of ourage or perhaps praise over the recent TV-series "Game of Thrones" coming up soon?
I personally enjoy this series very much, but how, might one wonder, does the combat stand up to the standards of Lloyd?
revesvans 8 months ago
@revesvans I haven't seen Games of Thrones, but I asked about it and was told that it is not set in any specified historical place or time.
lindybeige 8 months ago
@lindybeige Yes, A Games of Thrones is set in the fictional world of Westeros.
hathiphnath 8 months ago
Not to sound completely against your arguments, but do you truly expect the filmmakers to get every single small aspect of a location or costume correct? Sometimes I'm sure they are ignorant of the truth of ancient locale, or armor, or anything of the sort, but I don't expect them to have every detail perfectly represented. In other words it still appears to be "good enough."
Sorry if I seem hostile--that is not my intention--but I just feel as if you sometimes expect too much from Hollywood.
MitsuhideTheVagrant 8 months ago
@MitsuhideTheVagrant The costume designer for this film stated flatly that the way the people actually dressed back then "wouldn't have worked". Arrogance of that level I find distasteful.
lindybeige 8 months ago
Gladiator is a fun movie...if shockingly inaccurate.
oOoxelAoOo 8 months ago
surely you mean herbicide not pesticide?
4wilkinsons 8 months ago
@4wilkinsons Did I say pesticide? Whoops. I really ought to listen to what I say.
lindybeige 8 months ago
@lindybeige I dislike being overly critical but considering the content of the video I thought it appropriate.
Also, keep these videos coming!
4wilkinsons 8 months ago
So, did you like the movie?
epiph0ne 8 months ago
We need a new series: Lloyd watches Gladiator Rant
It would be awesome to see you tear down the fabrications of hollywood and present the real accurate historical facts
MikaelDryden 8 months ago 55
@MikaelDryden
I second this! If Lloyd would produce a series of himself watching movies and critiquing them for historical accuracy I would buy three copies of each!
RealCrusadeHistory 8 months ago 3
Well Egyptians were 4ft tall, while Russel Corw looks around 6 ft tall. To get teh aspect ratio right you would have to hir a short actor or grow some very tall wheat.
erock195 8 months ago
@erock195 Ancient Egyptians were an average height of 5:3. Russel Crowe's height is 5:10 while the average Roman of the time was around 5:5
Russel could have been shortened by the old studio trick of having the actor walk in a hidden trench for the wheat scene. However to gain the same effecting action of the wheat tips touching the actor's hands they would of had to put him on horseback.
Divertedflight 8 months ago
@Divertedflight Or he could have looked up into the sun through the ears of wheat. Where do you get your heights from? Many estimated heights have been adjusted upwards in recent years.
lindybeige 8 months ago
@lindybeige Where did I get my heights from? Just notes taken from the internet over the years from those who've done studies on found skeletons. Actually it just occurred to me that the averages I mentioned would probably include females; so naturally the standard soldier would of been taller than the figures I gave.
Interestingly the height of the average European actually went up after the fall of the Roman empire.
My guess is that it was due to the influx of Germanic groups.
Divertedflight 8 months ago
@erock195 They do still grow spelt, and you can buy it in shops. Given that until recently most filmic chainmail was knitted and sprayed silver, asking them to get agricultural vistas right is maybe too great an ask. Lloyd misses entirely, of course, that Maximus fantasised his whole life about wandering his land on stilts. Why are his wife and child wandering down the road miles from home, more to the point, and why is he standing in the middle of a field, trampling a path through his own crop?
Slithytove1000 8 months ago
SHEEP!!! :)
PresidentDRCI 8 months ago
Great one!! I really enjoy watching these.
Those are some goaty-looking sheep, though ... dang ... :-)
KatyaS69 8 months ago
@KatyaS69 Stand by for goats in a future vid.
lindybeige 8 months ago
@lindybeige if your going to make a video saying that livestock of today dosnt look like it used to anyone who has been to an impoverished nation knows that, a combination of selective breeding and understanding of genetics leaves us with the super sheep/ super cows of today
Kooletz71 8 months ago
Woah aha, totally owned that movie. But what do you honestly expect? It's a movie, it's not supposed to be realistic, unless you want it to be a documentary or something. Still I rather enjoyed the video!
quicke47 8 months ago
@quicke47 Problem is that quite a lot of people watch movies and think it's real. Gladiator has some mitigating factors; but consider movies like King Arthur and Braveheart, these don't give any clue at all that they are completely unhistorical.
Crossbowman 8 months ago
@quicke47 Considering that it's a movie based on history, it kind of ruins your sense of identification with the world it portrays if you're able to point out all sorts of things wrong with it.
14GloryofRome14 8 months ago
@quicke47 Just remembered a few others. Alexander has an Alexander the Great who looks more like he is from Norway, and The Last Legion a legionary who looks like he is from Jamaica.
Sometimes I feel Monty Python and the Holy Grail is more historically accurate than half the "historical" Hollywood movies.
Crossbowman 8 months ago
@Crossbowman Well Alex the Fab was blond. Colin Farrell, though, was rather obviously a _bottle_ blond, although even these did exist in the ancient world. Roman women liked to bleach their hair. The body of a high-status negress was found in Roman-period York last year. But yes, Monty Python did get much right that others failed with. Life of Brian is great. Half the cast were history graduates.
lindybeige 8 months ago
Wasn't this taken from after he dies and returns to his family in spirit or something? Fuck if I can remember much about that film.
TheAssist 8 months ago
@TheAssist It was a fantasy sequence, yes, in which he meets his still-living wife. In the film, he makes the journey to find her dead. I didn't have time to explain this.
lindybeige 8 months ago
Another thing is, that is Hordeum... not Wheat...
oh i feel like a country bumpkin xD
FaakedLillebror 8 months ago
@FaakedLillebror Which - the close-up with the weeds?
lindybeige 8 months ago
@lindybeige no, the picture from gladiator... the grains has WAY to long hairs to be even ancient wheat... :)
FaakedLillebror 8 months ago
@lindybeige Hordeum is like barley. This is a barley field.
ratmilkcheese 8 months ago
What was...Interesting... But not as interesting as your points about weaponry or rants about various things. ;)
KuroNekoPL 8 months ago
There is simply not enough time for you to criticize every single frame of the movie Gladiator.
ChaohsiangChen 8 months ago
@ChaohsiangChen At the speed of this video, it would take longer than the age of the universe.
lindybeige 8 months ago
I would watch, and enjoy, you objecting to every shot in Gladiator.
Dagon17 8 months ago 31
@Dagon17 I concur.
Royalemperorblue 8 months ago