Are Canadians mostly progressive or conservative?

[justanoldman1]

The problem with socialists is that they don't know how to handle money. All countries that have a socialist government are in financal trouble, like greece.

Here in Canada, our federal government is spending about 6% more each year on transfer payments and government growth when the GNP only grows about 3% per year.

Even a socialist should be able to figure out that continued this ends in a big problem.

We need a real conservative government in Canada and not a pretend one.

[jtsutm]

THEY ARE TOO, MUCH MORE CONSERVATIVE , WHO ARE YOU TALKING TO ????

[mikefastener]

Better point from me....when we have the primal "screamer" Howard Dean as a guest speaker to the lie-berals---we know where they are coming from!

(BTW--a warm wet cloth is good at getting egg off of your face because it is dripping right now!)

Glad I could clarify things for you!

[stama9]

I already thought Harper was emulating u.s. republicans but now he's formulating strategy with advice from a lying, professional, propaganda-pushing spin master like Frank Luntz? I can't wait to vote Harper out.

[mikefastener]

@stama9 Isn't a more accurate title for this is, "Are Canadians mostly regressive or Conservative"?

Just clarifying things for everyone....

[stama9]

@mikefastener great point. When someone like Sarah Palin comes to Canada and gets a warm reception, I really wonder. I didn't know so many of my fellow Albertans were so dumb for her crap, and Ann Coulter's. RE-gressive.

[SIMKINETICS]

Terms like 'Free Trade' & 'Free Markets' are misleading. They only mean free money for the privileged few. The vast majority of us lose freedom & lose money as a result of those policies. Has domestic employment benefitted from outsourcing & deregulation of banks & big business? Related to that question is the misleading naming of our politicians as 'progressives' & 'conservatives'. Propaganda & lies! Most of America's 'leaders' belong to a single party...corporatists!

[frankystein12]

If Harper is still the PM of Canada by the end of 2010, I will personally shoot the sob who has tarnished Canada's image myself.

[819gatineau]

now that is propaganda, real news my A%% dude, socialism is killing nations as we speak, left policies destroying out very heritage and culture.

[tkmmark]

@819gatineau Please do elabroate how that was propaganda other than stating facts like, yes there are at least 3 to 4 left-of-center parties. And that Harper was more effective at framing issues... what is so propaganda about that? Socialism hasn't killed the nation, it never existed but certain social welfare benefits are the very reason why Canada has in the past ranked top 10 (interestingly before 2006) in all indices from education to health to democracy to human development....

[luckycanuck90]

The liberal party would be a lot better if they didnt constanlty ellect frogs to run it.

[chad071981]

too many progssive parties. it's the only reason the single conservative party keeps winning.

[dawson272]

yeah so much for the liberals what a joke dione is a joke

[jellofuel]

@chad071981 I'm conservative, but I find myself rooting for the Green Party because I know they won't get any seats, and only serve to take votes away from the Liberals more than anyone.

Also, liberals say they want MMP NOW, but in a possible future, you might be preventing more liberal majorities than you realize.

Also, LOL at Greece.

[Xakryn]

I'm defiantly voting in the next election because I REALLY don't want harper to win.

[martymars]

Dion was good in both. I was thinking I'd vote NDP, but I'm going to Vote Lib. I think they have the best chance at taking on the Con.

[neolestat13]

I learned yesterday that the Bush administration and its representatives who also then worked in the 1980s were considered and called the "Crazies" amongst the majority of the representatives of congress, senate including the CIA and other prestigious government reps. Some former CIA agent mentioned it on 'Terror Storm' of Alex Jones. I wouldn't be surprised if it was actually a definite true story though.

[TVParkdale]

neolestat13

If you go to moviesfoundonline [google it] there's a documentary there that covers a number of topics related to how crazy the Republican fundies were before they tidied up with spin doctors.

[neolestat13]

whats the name of the movie?

[TVParkdale]

neolestat:

There are a number of them I can't recall right now. You might want to take a boo at most of them there;)

[ntheAttic]

No shit. Its careerism.All these guys have been working in gov depts for decades.Its no conspiracy.Instead the idea that its a conspiracy is the conspirancy, similar to the movie Global warming swindle.

1984.

[neolestat13]

At least it is better to prevent rather than lament for Global Warming.All I know San Diego which in the 1990s used to be on an average of 90 degrees f these past summers from since 2004 it has reached 113 degrees f.Something you commonly find 115 miles east into the desert of Imperial Valley or north of it at Death Valley.San diego used to look green and now it is starting to look yellow and brown.Water is in shortage and it is all fucked up humid hot and we are having west nile virus and shit.

[overmind25]

The solution? Canadians create their own reality without their government.

[TVParkdale]

overmind25:

Actually you aren't far off the mark there. Most Canucks I know tend to network politicize and socialize "outside" the political loop.

[powerslave71]

the debates last night basically showed us what these people are like, i thought Layton, May and Ducceppe were the only ones with common sense, morals and goals for this country, and they know the difference between what is right and wrong and what canadians want. harper just plain scares me, he seems backwards about things. and dion is flat out no ready to lead. people better wake up or we'll end up in a hole we can't get out of.

we'll dig ourselves into it without something to get out.

[ntheAttic]

I missed the debates, but thats what I heard; Layton, May and Ducceppe kicked.

Lets hope the cons get at best a minority and NDP are the opposition. ha!!

[Amebixfan]

Bring back the Red tories!

[copcorona]

legalize weed!

Free Marc Emery!

Vote NDP!

there are 4 left of center parties in Canada.

We will win!

[ntheAttic]

I'm with you.

I just wish I could be as positive in regards to your last sentence.

the republicans and conservatives HAVE to go.

Things could change drastically in a short time,,I'm hoping Obama wins and in Canada at the worst, we still have a conservative MINORITY gov with the NDP as opposition.

be really good if the conservatives are reduced to the opposition at best,,but have to wait and see.

I have nightmares of mccain and harper ruling . Cant even sleep at night anymore. lol!

[TVParkdale]

Take a deep breath ntheAttic. Plan for the day after the election on what YOU are going to do for the issue of your choice.

Vid about what you want/don't want until then.

The conservatives have this country convinced they're going to win regardless. However, if it's a minority gov't it should last about 2 weeks before a vote of non-confidence.

Okay, I can hope;)

[copcorona]

The Conservatives will have their run. 2-3 years to screw up the economy. The next election we will be rid of them for another decade.

My dream is a Liberal NDP minority government.

Ha at a candidate debate I asked for an end to the prohibition on Marijuana The conservative candidate almost had a stroke he got so mad. All the rest were cool with the weed.

One day my people will be free.

[ntheAttic]

Cheers!

[TVParkdale]

copcorona:

I'm with you on this one.

Liberal minority gov'ts with a strong NDP critique have traditionally been the most socially progressive and responsive governments.

[flamablesteve]

sorry, but what does NDP stand for?

[Xakryn]

New democratic party, not exactly new though.

[flamablesteve]

Is this a Canadian term?

I'm American and I have never heard of it.

[PumaPumaPride]

It's the name of one of the five parties.

[OceanJewel4]

NDP = New Democratic Party, and Orange is their political party color.

[OceanJewel4]

To flamablesteve;

In the Canada NDP mean; New Democratic Party, and Orange is their political party color.

[flamablesteve]

Thanks.

Sorry, I dont pay much attention to Canadian politics.

Im 20, so my entire voting life, Ive been rapped up in the problems the Neoconservatives have been creating here in America.

I didnt even think about politics much at all before 2004.

[lordvalgarX]

The Idea of conservative is great, less spending and budgeting within our means is obviously good. however our "Conservatives" tend to mix up too much with the US. This is Harpers downfall. We need trade, but trade with everyone, we became bedfellows with the US, and that is great if the US has a strong economy... this is obviously not the case now. NAU is a totally BAD idea. tying us to a warmongering Government make Canadians look bad, and doesn't do us an ounce of good in a world view.

[tanio12]

"case now. NAU is a totally BAD idea. tying us to a warmongering Government make Canadians look bad, and doesn't do us an ounce of good in a world view."

Agreed but i believe Harper is suppose to be pulling out all of his troops by the end of 2009. So we will see. I definitely think Canada should branch out and do her own thing. I read their her economic state is much better than ours and the reason is Regulation.

[PersonalJesus348]

that's not conservatism its common sense. You spend what you have.

Liberalism is taking in revenue for services. Conservatism... Its a mind set plain and simple.

[TVParkdale]

PersonalJesus348:

"Conservatism" is based on fear.

Fear of taxes, as opposed to seeing money as a way to make life better for everyone by using that money in the way the citizens demand.

Fear of other countries as opposed to being IN the world in a meaningful way.

Fear of the loss of power rather than in the service of humanity.

Fear of multiple religions and using our common sense and humanity instead of a fear of some vengeful God to guide our actions.

[PersonalJesus348]

very sharp mind you got there.

[ntheAttic]

and they use fear to hoard their own money. Selfish fucks.

There anti social to the core.

Criminal attitude.

[Amebixfan]

Hence why we need the Red tories back!

[VonHOG]

I hate news segments like this. "Hi. I'm an educated person and this is what I think and I'm speaking for everybody"

[TVParkdale]

VanHOG

The statistics remain the same. Our government does NOT reflect the will of the people for social democracy.

[ntheAttic]

Proportional representation is a great idea.

Thats what real democracy means, well real parlamentary democracy that is,,,its a good start.

[adventurenox]

Murray Dobbin is dead on. Canadians seem to have forgotten what it's possible for government to do. I've said for years that in this day and age Canada would never create universal healthcare because we've been convinced that that type of thing is impossible.

[TVParkdale]

adventurenox:

Absolutely. I've won my fair share of gov't fights because I refuse to listen to activists who claim "compromise" when the fact is--they're selling out because they've lost the belief that they can actually win anything.

[appliedinsight]

Tommy Douglas had problems too, but still found a way.

[codingkriggs]

There are 4 liberal-leaning parties versus one conservative-leaning. There are so many liberal-leaning parties because that is what Canadians want. Ironically, that alone is why Harper will do well.

[NewfieBullett]

It depends on what is meant by liberal. Economic liberalism is the cornerstone of so-called conservative politics. The greens, in this case are more like the conservatives than anyone else. And certainly the Liberal Party did little to assist the average Canadian in the short term. I will grant that they erased our deficit and attmepted to pay back the shameful deficits of the Mulrooney era, but even that is now gone (oh yeah, who erased the surplus?).I want to give the real left party a go

[TVParkdale]

NewfieBullet:

Absolutely. When are Canadians going to "get it" that the conservatives spend outrageously on policies we DON'T want and other gov'ts spend money on programs/policies that the *citizens* are demanding?

And by doing so, they spend LESS than the conservatives.

Canucks, in general, are willing to spend on social programming. We aren't prepared to pay for wars of aggression or for trade agreements that imperil our natural resources.

It's not difficult.

[TVParkdale]

coding:

Harper did well because, as I've been screaming at the top of my t*ts for years--liberals don't know how to use the web as media to their best advantage. So the republicans/conservatives pounded the crap out of them!

[AllieCaulfield]

Proportional Representation would help a lot.

[TVParkdale]

I don't think we're convinced at all.

I think we're being manipulated into helplessness.

[ntheAttic]

helplessness and hopelessness, we are made to feel powerless, like you said turned into slaves.

[TVParkdale]

It's tiring to have to fight all the time but we CAN'T buy into the media hype that we have no power.

That's the road to doom.

[ntheAttic]

Thats right. Dont buy it. Resist. Do what we can to continually empower ourselves and take control of our own destiny.

[TVParkdale]

What's changed is that the politicians are not the servants of the people the people are the slaves of the government.

Sux to be us:(