League of Legends - Jungle Graves

[1359peter]

man stonewall008 i would apreciate if u did a season 2 jungle graves

[cornflake1021]

I try him as a jungle,he is good,they must waste a flash if they got ganked (By his range,he makes the snare on them,and that's a good abilty for gank).

[ExtraNullByte]

Graves is my other AD carry i play and i can tell you that those 7mins just got wasted in the jungle.

so you hit lv6, great! but hey? you got no gold..wasted on Health potions and armor.

not many last hits and no good AD weapons that will let you kill something in a lane

not to mention graves doesnt have any good gank abilities.

for graves its much better to stay in a lane last hitting things and you have a chance for an early kill/1st blood

[MrDrugnut]

@ExtraNullByte He is doing it for lulz

Check his channels he jungles everything

[Demonato]

I main graves. He's not that great for jungling. Gets counter jungles very easily, and doesn't have great ganks, Cus he has no cc. He's also slow, and squishy.

[xXW0lfD3M0nXx]

HOW DID I NOT SEE THIS SOONER!! Graves is MY GUY and if i can jungle with him...omg :D The only thing is this is before the jungle change so I'm just wondering what is different? im a noob jungler so i dont know.

[TheInfectous]

@haardesu let me just let u know that shes like a ten times worse version of shaco i recently tryed her in a 1v1 against my less than par friend got 2 kills 0 deaths but she goes of so badly mid to late game shes useless i also tryed jungling her with a number of routes and item starts i even tryed like 9 21 0 and wuth armor yellows and blues cloth armor start and it still requires alot of b's bottem line is she requires alot of kills and a really good leash to even meet sub par jungling stand

[SNIIPERSTAR]

OMG jungler noob

[Haarudesu]

Stonewall, is eve viable with the new masteries for jungle? Just wonderin'

[RicOf1213]

Him I'm stonewall and I play everyone as a jungler

[jazza320]

Wtfv graves sucks as a jubngler, so slow

[MarcAsalFlyForDope]

Hey i need talk with u add me in a game:dezibl97 i need tips from u

[Robert951]

I did everything exactly the same, but I still die when taking on the 2 small golems. I notice that I have much lower hp than you do after killing the first wolves. Why do you think that would be? Is it the nerf?

[pablopablo221]

@Robert951 runes and masteries? anway try another jungler, this one has no ganking potential nor is he control.

[ShirosakiX]

Im just waiting for him to say, "Keep your shirt on, Sparky."

[bowegar1]

you just wanted to use his ult at the end admit it

[juiced012]

Stonewall, would you conisder graves a viable jungler? It seems to me he is the most viable ranged ad jungle.

[MultiReAnImAtiOn]

stonewall can you make a jungle guide about AD Eve.. :?

[DjifixAnime]

@MultiReAnImAtiOn he did. The answer is not doing it.

[MultiReAnImAtiOn]

@DjifixAnime Yesterday I tried eve jungle and it was awesome after bluebuff lvl 2 gank in mid first blood.. its viable to jungle with her..

[supergrinser10]

@MultiReAnImAtiOn u start at blue with eve? then ur not doign it on ur own with just 1 pull or? :O

[MultiReAnImAtiOn]

@supergrinser10 I start at blue with a pull... (Yesterday I tried it 5 games and it was sucessfull) Skillorder : QWEE ( Q last) Runes : Red : Apen Yellow : Armor Blue : AS Quint : AS everytime positioning yourself behind the bluebuff ^^ ( excuse my bad english ) Eve was my main since her nerf but since yesterday I started to play her and its rly well to jungle with her

[supergrinser10]

@MultiReAnImAtiOn whats ur nick in LoL? or just add me maybe.. rudithebozz

[supergrinser10]

@MultiReAnImAtiOn

simple... golems-wraiths-wolves-base-blu­e-gank.. u start with armor and my rune are full flat ad..

[RadioHasNoFuture]

ur better off firing his q from much closer range. instead of just jitting each of the serperate minions with each bullet.

[undeaddog]

you could save time if you used e to get over the wall to golem might cost hp but still works

[thesxex]

He seems... Surprisingly good at that.

[TheAnfest]

Is there a reason why you don't use smite the second it's up to reset the cooldown faster?

[doo0ooooooom]

@TheAnfest it's standard practice to save smite for last hitting important mobs to protect against counterjungling. If you last hit with smite you won't get your kills stolen. Also if they run you off the mob after you smite, you still have smite up.

[ProvokedofLoL]

So from what I get from this video, you can jungle him for fun but don't try it seriously.

[PheonixGamingHD]

respect the cowboy in the jungle. That´s all..

[peterchen1987]

stonewall, i love your jungle videos! <3

how many runesets do you try before you post a video?

do you always search for the optimal setup, or just take the most convenient?

i tried many different setups (for example using full arpen instead of arpen/AD mix in reds and quints, CDR or MR in blues instead of AS, or AS/arpen mix in reds and quints). it all worked with your route and items, but slightly slower, the slowest being AS/arpen mix in reds and quints with MR blues (8 minutes to level 6).

[stonewall008]

@peterchen1987 i actually have a video of that coming out soon

[peterchen1987]

@stonewall008 Yay ^^

[RoflMaster997]

Tier shit?



[Warhawkvj]

This stupid commercial for Toyota makes me want to shit on the car, not buy it.

[Tharoxxx]

@Warhawkvj

Commercial?

Kid don´t know about ADD Block



[Tharoxxx]

@Warhawkvj

Commercial?

Kid don´t know about ADD Block

[stonewall008]

@Tharoxxx but then stonewall loses from his partnership ;___;

[NirvEnd]

quick question tho can you do this with MS quints as oppose to the AD? if so I think that might help him more in the long run since he has that annoying range dps MS. I'll try it my self soon but atm I feel like I am about to need meds

[SilverhawkPX45]

interesting how fast it's actually going... Did not think he'd be able to do it, at all... very low during his jungle, but otherwise seems ok..

[lolwowgames]

Y U NO LET ME GO TO SCHOOL STONEWALL!

[RellikVancoor]

I've noticed that the smoke bomb doesnt seem to work on jungle creeps as you were standing outside of the veil and still being attacked by large wraith and lizard minions... Or am I just crazy?

[Threeteenage]

@RellikVancoor If you attack, they can see you.

[reiquemmickey]

Move over Skarner! We have a new fastest clear time!

[TGDproductions]

STONEWALL008 I HAVE MESSAGE TO YOU:

I have quit league of legends, and in my opinion, you are the greatest LoL player. Your an awesome youtube user, making awesome videos of ANY champion in League of Legends jungling, fast times too, you support your community, and lastly you have helped me achieve a high ranked status in Leauge of Legends. Sadly, this game provides no challenge for me anymore, but thanks any who :). Time for some HoN (sorry haters :s)

[Sai1Nonly]

@TGDproductions TGDPRODUCTIONS I HAVE MESSAGE TO YOU:

I do believe HoN is a lot more competitive than LoL. As I've played both, that's just what I've come to realize. The penalties is HoN make dying a deterrent. Where as dying in LoL just means a free trip back to base. Both games are fun and both games play similar. But they each have unique core mechanics that make them fun. IMO, LoL is hell of a lot easier to pub stomp in than HoN.

[F1ddyCal]

@Sai1Nonly dieing means a free trip back to base? you give the enemy gold and you don't get gold/xp in ur lane while ur dead while they get free farm and get to push ur tower if they want or go gank and plenty other things. you're new arent you?

[dragonflame4990]

@Sai1Nonly really did you just say its hard to pub stomp in HoN????? you dont play magebane much id assume...

[TGDproductions]

@Sai1Nonly

Thanks for that, people at school are trolling me because HoN has worse graphics then LoL, which makes it a worse game no matter what.

[penmonker12]

ezreal is manlier

[pautpy]

In other words, he's a bad jungler.

[fatrend]

I think you must've answered this before Stonewall, but why the 3 AD Reds and 6 ARP reds?

[NoobNakazu]

@fatrend i think its becoz 10 arm pen plus 6 from masteries give u true dmg for most of the small creeps and it also balances out the time for u to take buffs

In his route he doesnt take buffs until lvl 3 so i guess 16arm pen is good enuf as it balances out time survivability and dmg pretty well as shown in the video.

[NoobNakazu]

but to be honest i think there's no point of picking graves as jungler over 90% of the time--" just put him in lane and he'll farm better imo--"

[cannonbolt3]

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[DreamMorpheus42]

That's actually not awful. Definately beats Ez and Vayne.

[EnsignEpic]

I'm gonna guess tier 3?

[Warphaker]

better than jungle ashe!!

[mega17]

Wait a second...

How does a 2-barrel gun shoot 3 projectiles? o_o

[manofpopsicle]

stonewall do you have a site where you discuss LoL more in-depth? because if you don't, it would be cool to see a small paragraph or so of waht you think about each champ / their jungle capability imo

[Icecubebac]

wow realy cool ranged bruiser :)

[texastech777]

Did I fire 6 shots or only 5?...

[tehhowardmok]

tier 3?

[jeffstampe69]

Stonewall. What champ cant you jungle with? You Can with every champ in the minute they come out. So stonewall. MARRY ME!! :P

[pjyourbgs]

why do people lol so hard at his tags?

[Ryinty]

@Stonewall008 do you think this is viable at all i could see it working but idk how it would work with people ganking you

[Elalmadebudin]

can you do a new gp video? i wanna know if he is able to jungle now.

[fuxkinbrutal]

@Elalmadebudin Of course Gp can jungle now, he's been able to jungle for a long time

[PewPewShooter]

Must feel pretty legit to do that combo at wraiths :P

[WhoIsDTF]

@stonewall008 Can you do a new skarner video? Ive been playing him since the patch non-stop and i must say hes REALLY Strong but id like to see your opinion. Doesnt have to be gamplay I just wana know your opinions on him.

[ohno2121212]

viable without attack speed blues?

[Sandvi4u]

hey stonewall, is he viable? or is he tier shit?

[raggerXX]

@Sandvi4u tier shit mate :/ you don't need me to tell you this XD Though stonewall definatley did it faster than alot of people would be able to do it so probs to him. He will be played like most ad ranged carries. Bot with a support.

[stonewall008]

@raggerXX more like tier 3 or top of tier 4

[novea12]

Do improved skarner next



[Ajabini]

wouldnt you get more from using his e to start for the attack speed bonus?

[TrdgicHunter]

Hi i'm stonewall and I jangle hard core

[TryHardsClan]

2:31 I would feel like a boss if that got me a kill

[DarkgreenXatu]

@TryHardsClan ive gotten three like that since i bought him this morning

[TwilightForces]

i just waited for this..

[wonderwaffle407]

So what do you think about him stonewall? Woot, meh or ass?

[HellooooooEveryone]

@wonderwaffle407 always check the tags

[NiNjAEaZzY11]

music from the hobbit video game ftw

[MrKamnum]

Your tags just make my day

[deferno5]

hey stonewall, how's jungle graves ganks? and also is skarner a viable jungler now?

[Vnewbie]

Best ranged jungler? Or is Ezreal still better?

Granted, I don't think Graves should ever jungle regardless.

[fakeouch]

@Vnewbie ranged jungler? fiddlesticks if you mean only wiht range but ad carry no t sure

[Slugby1138]

Wish the jungle creeps were Halloweeny

[MrHamerb]

7 min is actually reall good; even better when you consider that you only bought a few health pots.

His E is probably a pretty sweet gank tool as well. if you are out of poistion it is flash or doom.

[psymunn42]

many of stonewalls old videos were taken down by stonewall, because they had copyrighted music. some of the more 'fringe' ones (like mf and caitlyn) weren't worth redoing

[meesh11p]

@psymunn42 Ah, really? No wonder, that is unfortunate.

[meesh11p]

@sniffyourdogtwice That simply isnt true. He doesnt have a Miss Fortune one, I've looked for it.

[H911Reiver]

@meesh11p he had to take down a ton of old ones because of music copyright stuff, he hasn't redone a lot of them unfortunately

[Azure604]

wonder if starting Quickdraw would go faster...

Eh, too lazy.

[3v3ry1h4s4d4rks1d3]

In terms of ganks i mean

[3v3ry1h4s4d4rks1d3]

hm....so will Graves become a viable Jungler?

[vipeax1]

@3v3ry1h4s4d4rks1d3 for the love of god no

[Rayofpain]

This. THIS what i wanted to see. Theorycrafted all day last night, please to god work well!

[Brackleylol]

Interesting, how did cloth armor first turn out?

[meesh11p]

Miss Fortune jungle? :3

[AhoyMurf]

Whore

[pianistjim]

YES

[lorenzzo1995]

Lol you are so fast

[whoopsie321]

unce