Yo, after my substrate jar looks like this and is all colonized and I leave it in the water over night, after that could I just put the cake in the spawn chamber as is without putting more verm on it?
even tho mycelium is almost contam proof you should definetly wash that verm layer off becuase that was your contam barrier just a little tip. if your mycelium ever got contamed you know why
question to any ...just starting out not quite clear is brown rice flour brow rice ground into a "flour" or is it ground brown rice mixed w/ regular flour if so what the ratio? also whats the deal w/ soaking the cake i've read that if you break the cake up you can case the cakes would soaking help in that case also or is it not necessary? last question does any one know how to get multiple flushed using the casing method?....thanks to any who can help w/ my questions
@jpullum2 google: "brown rice flour" and baby steps, read up on casing, there's plenty of videos if you don't like to read even. Google is a complex tool, but things like "mushroom casing methods flushes" may bring good results, try different keywords without quotes. Maybe even google "How to use google"
I had full colonization on tues, I did not give them a full week after instead I birthed them that sat, its now wed of the following week and still no growth. Could something have happened?
I just birthed my cake and I guess it wasn't as ready as I thought it was. It was fully covered in mycelium but when it dropped out the jar a patch of myc stayed stuck to the jar, so now the is an area of substrate that is exposed =/ Shall I just see how it goes? Am I probably gonna have to scrap it?
@KidInsight yeah you didn't wait long enough it sounds like, I haven't grown mushrooms in a while... so the exposed substrate may be delicious to other things, keep that cake away from the others, or if you live somewhere mushroom crumble the cake in a nice little patch of foresty/mushroom loving area.
i have a question regarding coloniztion .... can i use agar and a 10 cc syringe to cultivate mycellium and innoculate the jars with the mycellium and agar instead of using the syringe to innoculate the jars ???
Beautiful cake. Question ... how long is too long to colonize? Mine is approaching 3 weeks with very little myc and I'm starting to get worried. Thanks.
@xzation Shit man, between not mixing my substrate good enough, storing at 60-65 degrees and purchasing spores from a questionable vendor, I think my project was a total fail. Been a month and I'm still not seeing much colonization. Confident that my second attempt will be much better. Thanks for the reply, though.
@count7411 2 things I have learned is that not packing down the substrate AT ALL and keeping it between 80 and 90 degrees can speed up colonization extremely. I can get 100% colonized cakes in 15 days by putting my jars on top of my water heater. mine stays a perfect 80 degrees when the water isnt running and 87 degrees when I get out of the shower... and this seems to be perfect.
@freedomismoneyusa on my second try now. working much better with some fruting quite well. can't really control my temp situation right now, but what are your thoughts on slow colonizers? I have a few jars that have been colonizing for almost 40 days. Bout 50 to 75% colonization. Would you scrape and birth, or wait?
@count7411 it might be that your not giving your jars enough oxygen. make sure the container or whatever your keeping your jars in has fresh air. also make sure the foil on your jars is loose enough for you to be able to turn the foil without the grips on the jars keeping it in place. fungi is like a person... if you think you would be able to breath in that jar if you were a half inch tall, then your good
Okay ive been just starting to learn about growing mushrooms. But can you take small sections of that cake put in a jar or a grow bag with the substrate and clone it? Or do you have to use agar?
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im willing to put money on it that this method dose not work in any way and you actually comtaminatied it when you put you hands all over it with out any sort of gloves or starill method
im willing to put money that you dont know what the fuck youre talking about ampimp..that method does work..and no hes not contaminating the cakes by not using gloves
put it in the fridge for 24 hrs while soaking in water then make sure it get plenty of natural light or grow light to tell the mycellium which way is up. i have had good luck with that having a cake pin under 48hrs after refrigeration.
soak it over night and cold shock it. thats why he put it in a jar and in the fridge over night. then roll it in sterile dry vermiculite and put it in ur growing chamber, make sure humidity is 90% or above and temp between 70-80. then wait for the magic.
put in fridge if you want to STOP it from growing, it will keep the fungus alive but it just wont grow, as previous poster said cold shock is for azure not cubes. and after the cake is harvested soak over night then back into the fruiting chamber :)
ok im really confused by everyones comments to be honest with all of you.
i just inoculated 6 brown rice flour and vermiculite cakes and they are hawiian psylocibe cuebensis and i wanted to know if i do put the cakes under water in my fridge would make a difference to my flush and after i take them out of the water should i roll them in vermiculite??
Don't use bleach next time, use an air freshener that is aimed at "killing airborne germs" That's what you're really after...Lysol, glade, one of those.
well its good to do that it let the cake get some water on for fruiting process it can hugly help to get more fruits but its not a must u can just directly put the cake in side ur chamber tho
Its called a dunking and putting it in the fridge is to "shock" it into fruition. Yes the jar is tapered, but it isn't a wide mouth half pint jar, so its a little tough to birth them. Buying the 1/2 pint WIDE MOUTH jars make this technique much easier. If you guys want yeild, I suggest you learn to pasterize straw, and grain to grain transfer methods. PF tek is for the ultimate moron, and if your getting contams with pf tek, don't even bother with straw and grain to grain xfers.
You are an idiot. Cold shocking will create a massive first flush on cubensis. However, had you read what I wrote, you'd see that I don't really recommend anyone use the pf tek unless they are stupid. An idiot can do pf tek with minimal sterilazation techniques and still have no contamanents.
No buddy, your wrong. Cold shock is for species besides Cubensis. If you still want to argue I can send you links from a Mycologist website and prove you wrong.
Cold shocks will slow the growth of the mycelium and does nothing but stunt pinning.
IDK what your issues with PF tek are, but you must be doing it wrong if you do not have good results.
K you seem to know what your talking about I just inoculated my first jars with cubensis ecuadorian should I soak them for 24 hours in water when I birth them or not? Or is cold shock just putting them in the fridge? Thanks for your help.
If I were you I would wait until it has fully colonized and induce pinning for the first flush. After your harvest and harvest all of the mushrooms at once, give the cake a dunk overnight and remove it in the morning. Put the cake in the fruiting chamber after dunking. Some people roll cakes in Verm. after dunking, but I am not sure if it would really help unless you had overlay issues.
Rolling cakes in verm would help create the needed "micro atmospheres" for the fruiting bodies. But of course, it's just a waste regardless unless you case the cake, and break it up.
Soaking them is to help replenish the water AFTER flushing. But misting with spring water it better, less contamination chances. Fill bottle halfway, freeze, then mist every 3 days. One guy even put sterile straws into various parts of the cased pan. Always case, never utilize the whole cake left intact, you won't get shit for a flush.
take a washer and a string, tie them together like the washer would be the lewell of a neclace, with the other ends coming out of your lid, that way when the container is upside down, hold the strings and the base with your thumb and finger, and just pull the jar off.
Question 1_so far so good the only thing is that my cakes are growing a fuzzy layer on them is that what they should look like or is that contamination???? Question 2_i've used vermiculite and brf..it works pretty well.. eventually i want to use unmalted rye. where to buy and how to sucessfully inoculate is my question???
Is there anything "special" you need to do in order to get a second flush out of your cakes? I heard after the first flush you should soak the cake in water and roll in dry verm, is this true?
whats the most you have gotten off one cake all dried out?, and also howmany times can you harvest a cake? and do you just pick the ripe ones and let the small ones grow or do you harvest all of them(mushrooms and pins) and then new ones will grow??
you can get about 3-4 flushes from one cake under the correct enviroment (75-80 F, 80-85% humidity) and you pick the ripe ones (when the cap opens) and let the pins grow
I was almost considering buying a kit online, because pressure cookers cost alot and it would take time to round up all of the supplies. But I think in the end, putting together my own incubator and fruiting chamber will be well worth it in the long run. what's your opinion?
fuck your cake
weirdingoodways 2 months ago
Yo, after my substrate jar looks like this and is all colonized and I leave it in the water over night, after that could I just put the cake in the spawn chamber as is without putting more verm on it?
tlarson91119 3 months ago
@tlarson91119 It will help to roll the entire cake in verm, it helps give the mushroom pins something to cling onto.
Tinderboxing 1 month ago
even tho mycelium is almost contam proof you should definetly wash that verm layer off becuase that was your contam barrier just a little tip. if your mycelium ever got contamed you know why
BigBadDipper 4 months ago
he is dunking it man
Lookagainz 4 months ago
u soak the cake to re hydrate the mycelia so it produces larger flushes but i guess u like to get small yields
Feelthefx 5 months ago
is 12 hours enough?
Lookagainz 5 months ago
@joeyazzz y dont you do shrroms i dont understand the problem i like acid better but shrooms are natrual i think there much better for u
BigBadDipper 5 months ago
and thats why i dont do shrooms.
joeyazzz 5 months ago
question to any ...just starting out not quite clear is brown rice flour brow rice ground into a "flour" or is it ground brown rice mixed w/ regular flour if so what the ratio? also whats the deal w/ soaking the cake i've read that if you break the cake up you can case the cakes would soaking help in that case also or is it not necessary? last question does any one know how to get multiple flushed using the casing method?....thanks to any who can help w/ my questions
jpullum2 5 months ago
@jpullum2 google: "brown rice flour" and baby steps, read up on casing, there's plenty of videos if you don't like to read even. Google is a complex tool, but things like "mushroom casing methods flushes" may bring good results, try different keywords without quotes. Maybe even google "How to use google"
uberscientist 5 months ago
So... You soak it in big mama jar... And then what?
javiere1990 5 months ago
shroomery--dot--org
for all your info and noob questions on the forum !
jtspitfire 6 months ago
EEEEE!! I just birthed my first cakes!! OH THE JOY!!
pinkalienpanther 7 months ago
I had full colonization on tues, I did not give them a full week after instead I birthed them that sat, its now wed of the following week and still no growth. Could something have happened?
dabernabe 7 months ago
I just birthed my cake and I guess it wasn't as ready as I thought it was. It was fully covered in mycelium but when it dropped out the jar a patch of myc stayed stuck to the jar, so now the is an area of substrate that is exposed =/ Shall I just see how it goes? Am I probably gonna have to scrap it?
KidInsight 8 months ago
@KidInsight yeah you didn't wait long enough it sounds like, I haven't grown mushrooms in a while... so the exposed substrate may be delicious to other things, keep that cake away from the others, or if you live somewhere mushroom crumble the cake in a nice little patch of foresty/mushroom loving area.
uberscientist 8 months ago
nice and mouldy
picaticatara 8 months ago
i have a question regarding coloniztion .... can i use agar and a 10 cc syringe to cultivate mycellium and innoculate the jars with the mycellium and agar instead of using the syringe to innoculate the jars ???
evilcowkiller1 9 months ago
7 People don't know the magic of the shroom
cakk15 11 months ago
Beautiful cake. Question ... how long is too long to colonize? Mine is approaching 3 weeks with very little myc and I'm starting to get worried. Thanks.
count7411 1 year ago
@count7411 Be sure it's in the correct temperature range for your species. Typical P. Cubensis are best colonized at 75-85F.
xzation 1 year ago
@xzation Shit man, between not mixing my substrate good enough, storing at 60-65 degrees and purchasing spores from a questionable vendor, I think my project was a total fail. Been a month and I'm still not seeing much colonization. Confident that my second attempt will be much better. Thanks for the reply, though.
count7411 1 year ago
@count7411 2 things I have learned is that not packing down the substrate AT ALL and keeping it between 80 and 90 degrees can speed up colonization extremely. I can get 100% colonized cakes in 15 days by putting my jars on top of my water heater. mine stays a perfect 80 degrees when the water isnt running and 87 degrees when I get out of the shower... and this seems to be perfect.
freedomismoneyusa 1 year ago
@freedomismoneyusa on my second try now. working much better with some fruting quite well. can't really control my temp situation right now, but what are your thoughts on slow colonizers? I have a few jars that have been colonizing for almost 40 days. Bout 50 to 75% colonization. Would you scrape and birth, or wait?
count7411 1 year ago
@count7411 it might be that your not giving your jars enough oxygen. make sure the container or whatever your keeping your jars in has fresh air. also make sure the foil on your jars is loose enough for you to be able to turn the foil without the grips on the jars keeping it in place. fungi is like a person... if you think you would be able to breath in that jar if you were a half inch tall, then your good
freedomismoneyusa 1 year ago
theres some little brown dot on the bottom of the jar, is it no good?
junglistsoulja4200 1 year ago
i have some brown dots on the bottom of the jar after the 1st week. is it no good?
junglistsoulja4200 1 year ago
i used whole 100% organic brown rice as my substrate and it works just as well as verm/brown rice flour. Tip (:
amino0o 1 year ago
I did everything sterily and it got contaminated after second flush ;(
Darius12235 1 year ago
@mickeydamon I'm pretty sure you can break apart the cake once it's colonized, but I've never used agar so that's about all I can offer.
Marter713 1 year ago
"...here she comes" :D
shivayavoda 1 year ago
dunking the cake for 24 hours is a bit too long. any pins will die. dunk for 18 hours
chafeboy 1 year ago
when its 100% colonized, contams have a fuck of time trying to infect the cake, its rare to see a full cake go rotten
Masterrese 2 years ago 5
@Masterrese Damn straight. Any bacteria that manages to establish itself on a colonised cake deserves a high five for perseverance.
KidInsight 8 months ago
Okay ive been just starting to learn about growing mushrooms. But can you take small sections of that cake put in a jar or a grow bag with the substrate and clone it? Or do you have to use agar?
mickeydamon 2 years ago
interesting vid, I dont do the cake method anymore haha... I use a grow bag with a oxy patch, higher yields and lower risk of contam.
escapedcops08 2 years ago
ampimp you are absolutely wrong with that statement. and obviously never tried to do anything involving cakes. That cake is fine being held by him.
esquaredx 2 years ago
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im willing to put money on it that this method dose not work in any way and you actually comtaminatied it when you put you hands all over it with out any sort of gloves or starill method
ampimp69 2 years ago
im willing to put money that you dont know what the fuck youre talking about ampimp..that method does work..and no hes not contaminating the cakes by not using gloves
whitebrother11 2 years ago
guaranteed noone here could tell me how to induce pinning and start the fruiting process but everyones talking away about shrooms
TheHulkamaniabrother 2 years ago
put it in the fridge for 24 hrs while soaking in water then make sure it get plenty of natural light or grow light to tell the mycellium which way is up. i have had good luck with that having a cake pin under 48hrs after refrigeration.
jihadage 2 years ago
soak it over night and cold shock it. thats why he put it in a jar and in the fridge over night. then roll it in sterile dry vermiculite and put it in ur growing chamber, make sure humidity is 90% or above and temp between 70-80. then wait for the magic.
fromrussiawiluv 2 years ago
okay so where can you get spores? im planning to grow some myself but i can get everything else but spores?
CORYBOO800 2 years ago
your local drug dealer might have some for you
ampimp69 2 years ago
very nice dunking method. however i wouldnt place them in the refrigerator. cubes dont need cold shocking.
lolquintron 2 years ago
put in fridge if you want to STOP it from growing, it will keep the fungus alive but it just wont grow, as previous poster said cold shock is for azure not cubes. and after the cake is harvested soak over night then back into the fruiting chamber :)
dizzy87 2 years ago
hmm that really works?
ionrocket 2 years ago
ok im really confused by everyones comments to be honest with all of you.
i just inoculated 6 brown rice flour and vermiculite cakes and they are hawiian psylocibe cuebensis and i wanted to know if i do put the cakes under water in my fridge would make a difference to my flush and after i take them out of the water should i roll them in vermiculite??
(this is my first time doing this)
betchaz111 2 years ago
what about rolling it in baked vermiculite then wetting it down,
FreakyJAAO 2 years ago
im trying pf tek 4 my first go.. without glove box. just gunna spray bleach n water around enoc. area. i hope it works
Maz3ne 2 years ago
Don't use bleach next time, use an air freshener that is aimed at "killing airborne germs" That's what you're really after...Lysol, glade, one of those.
PhuckYooTube1 2 years ago
i reckon you could use that water from the dunk 2 colonize more jars... or would the mycelium just die?
Maz3ne 2 years ago
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could someone tell me how long it could possibly take before I begin to see mycelium growing in my jars?
i inoculated my jars 5 days ago..still no sign of mycelia.
the first 3 days the temperature of the room was between 74 degrees...
i changed the temperature for the last two days to 86 degrees.
will i see growth soon?
what is the longest i should wait before i just accept failure?
colorsinscenes 2 years ago
called dunking retard nigger
desoul420 2 years ago
What does putting it in the jar with water do? I've never seen that. And is that jar tapered? Lol!
Enjoi14 3 years ago
well its good to do that it let the cake get some water on for fruiting process it can hugly help to get more fruits but its not a must u can just directly put the cake in side ur chamber tho
soheildemc 3 years ago
Its called a dunking and putting it in the fridge is to "shock" it into fruition. Yes the jar is tapered, but it isn't a wide mouth half pint jar, so its a little tough to birth them. Buying the 1/2 pint WIDE MOUTH jars make this technique much easier. If you guys want yeild, I suggest you learn to pasterize straw, and grain to grain transfer methods. PF tek is for the ultimate moron, and if your getting contams with pf tek, don't even bother with straw and grain to grain xfers.
CapnWack 2 years ago
Cold shocking is useless with Cubensis strains.
PF tek is great for beginners. Even when cakes become contaminated it is isolated on one cake and easily removed.
Genetics of a strain have a lot to do with how susceptible mycelium is to contamination.
ReallyPsilly 2 years ago
You are an idiot. Cold shocking will create a massive first flush on cubensis. However, had you read what I wrote, you'd see that I don't really recommend anyone use the pf tek unless they are stupid. An idiot can do pf tek with minimal sterilazation techniques and still have no contamanents.
CapnWack 2 years ago
No buddy, your wrong. Cold shock is for species besides Cubensis. If you still want to argue I can send you links from a Mycologist website and prove you wrong.
Cold shocks will slow the growth of the mycelium and does nothing but stunt pinning.
IDK what your issues with PF tek are, but you must be doing it wrong if you do not have good results.
ReallyPsilly 2 years ago
i've never had any problems with pf tek that is why i say any moron can do it... even me
CapnWack 2 years ago
is it good to dunk it tho?
FreakyJAAO 2 years ago
Yeah, I would suggest to dunk after the first flush. Dunking before the first flush tends to slow pinning IMO.
ReallyPsilly 2 years ago
K you seem to know what your talking about I just inoculated my first jars with cubensis ecuadorian should I soak them for 24 hours in water when I birth them or not? Or is cold shock just putting them in the fridge? Thanks for your help.
xpaladoshes 2 years ago
If I were you I would wait until it has fully colonized and induce pinning for the first flush. After your harvest and harvest all of the mushrooms at once, give the cake a dunk overnight and remove it in the morning. Put the cake in the fruiting chamber after dunking. Some people roll cakes in Verm. after dunking, but I am not sure if it would really help unless you had overlay issues.
ReallyPsilly 2 years ago
Rolling cakes in verm would help create the needed "micro atmospheres" for the fruiting bodies. But of course, it's just a waste regardless unless you case the cake, and break it up.
PhuckYooTube1 2 years ago
NO COLD SHOCK WITH CUBENSIS.
They grow in warm, humid environments. Put the cake straight from colonization chamber and into fruiting chamber.
The moron who tried arguing cold shocking helps was mistaken with Azure. and Cyan species which live in cold climates here in the Pacific Northwest.
ReallyPsilly 2 years ago 9
exactly what i was thinking when i watched this. with a psilocybe cubensis it goes straight from the jar to the terrarium( fruiting chamber)
InfantryofWar21 2 years ago 3
Soaking them is to help replenish the water AFTER flushing. But misting with spring water it better, less contamination chances. Fill bottle halfway, freeze, then mist every 3 days. One guy even put sterile straws into various parts of the cased pan. Always case, never utilize the whole cake left intact, you won't get shit for a flush.
PhuckYooTube1 2 years ago
" UH, the spawn chamber... i guess.."
LOL
testiclesackticle 3 years ago
ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!
topsy420 3 years ago
where can i get a legit spore syringe
Thatmonster433 3 years ago
Spores 101 was a good place for me.
malmquist90 3 years ago 3
spores101
silverblotter 3 years ago 2
We used these jars for a grow once and they dont want to let go of the cakes, they were a pain in the ass.
legitspores 3 years ago
take a washer and a string, tie them together like the washer would be the lewell of a neclace, with the other ends coming out of your lid, that way when the container is upside down, hold the strings and the base with your thumb and finger, and just pull the jar off.
Bobbo63 3 years ago
is it really necessary to be as sterile as the pf tek suggest with the shoebox and all that jazz??
KAKApoopooPEEPEE3 3 years ago
Yeah, but I haven't NOT been sterile, so give it a shot, just be prepared to have contaminated cakes with mushrooms that you do not want to eat!
uberscientist 3 years ago
Question 1_so far so good the only thing is that my cakes are growing a fuzzy layer on them is that what they should look like or is that contamination???? Question 2_i've used vermiculite and brf..it works pretty well.. eventually i want to use unmalted rye. where to buy and how to sucessfully inoculate is my question???
KAKApoopooPEEPEE3 3 years ago
yes re-dunk the cake
bridgerstriker 3 years ago
Is there anything "special" you need to do in order to get a second flush out of your cakes? I heard after the first flush you should soak the cake in water and roll in dry verm, is this true?
seanmeg69 3 years ago
leave the foil off during incubation, the mycelium needs gas exchange.
bridgerstriker 3 years ago
Soo, are you soaking the cake for humidity in the "spawn chamber"? I've never seen anyone soak their cakes before, seems interesting.
sittingbull09 3 years ago
Soaking to rehydrate the individual mycelium cells.
CptIncaino 3 years ago
Hey man seems like a tough birth it always seems to be harder pushing a baby out than it is getting it in i guess the same is tru with mushrooms
churchesbasement 3 years ago
whats the most you have gotten off one cake all dried out?, and also howmany times can you harvest a cake? and do you just pick the ripe ones and let the small ones grow or do you harvest all of them(mushrooms and pins) and then new ones will grow??
ismokegreentrees 3 years ago
you can get about 3-4 flushes from one cake under the correct enviroment (75-80 F, 80-85% humidity) and you pick the ripe ones (when the cap opens) and let the pins grow
themorganator4 3 years ago
wont it all fall apart in the water?
keepitacrime 3 years ago
how long did it take for first signs of mycelium?
jonton8807 4 years ago
A few days, 3 to 5 if I remember right.
It shows up faster if you keep the jars in the right temperature (80-86 F)
uberscientist 4 years ago
Hey, Thanks for the vid! I'm new to this and I'm researching as I get ready to make my first attempt.
I've seen the soaking technique elsewhere, do you think it's absolutely necessary?
Thanks Again.
SkeksisRule 4 years ago
Not really, Ive tried some cakes with soaking and others without, I couldn't see a big difference on the first run.
After you harvest once, do a soak though, you probably wont get much of a second harvest if you don't!
uberscientist 4 years ago
Thanks for the tip.
I was almost considering buying a kit online, because pressure cookers cost alot and it would take time to round up all of the supplies. But I think in the end, putting together my own incubator and fruiting chamber will be well worth it in the long run. what's your opinion?
SkeksisRule 3 years ago
Yeah, any time you buy a kit you are spending money on the time THEY took to put it together.
uberscientist 3 years ago
overpriced time as well.
glightum 3 years ago
pressure cookers at target are 30 bucks
theyre really not all that expensive
and you can PC 9 jars at a time
killtheghoul 3 years ago
I used tap, once the cake is fully colonized it is rare to get a contamination.
uberscientist 4 years ago
do u no shoul i dunk cambodian strain . heard it is not needed what u reckon thanks
XxNaomixX86 4 years ago
I don't know! Sorry.
uberscientist 4 years ago
nice short little vid, helpful for n00bs who are not sure what to do with colonized cakes.
Putting the submerged cake in the fridge isn't necessary though. Its not that helpful to the cake either.
Do you have improved results using cold shocking?
nocrowsnest 4 years ago