Glenn Beck Original Clip on Social Justice and Churches from March 2, 2010

[2009zigi]

Fat cats on one side and homeless people on the other side is SOCIAL INJUSTICE. No matter how the rich got rich and the poor got poorer. Everyone deserves a roof above it's head and food. For FREE!

This is a consense civil societies already enacted. US didn't.

War on the poor is a mortal sin.

[CoryTheRaven]

But... Society has gotten demonstrably better, for example the enfranchisement of women and African-Americans. Progress does happen, and it's good. Unless Beck is, like, against abolition and suffrage. What is this guy, a racist? Is that why he's trying to scare people away from donating to Haiti relief efforts?

[slicingwater]

Social Justice and Economic justice are code words if your white, and haven't been cheated by the system. But please Glenn Beck for the people who have a diferent view of social and economic justice enlighten and explain why social and economic justice is just so bad. I'm sure the abolishment of Jim Crow laws and the voting rights act were clear examples of social jjustice gone awry. Arrogant prick.

[jayrayhoo1]

glenbeck is running out of material so now he's just pulling stuff out of his ass

[Terri1B]

Well he sure doesn't need to be perfected, he is a perfect example of an ass

[Terri1B]

He is just plain stupid!

[MaiCecile]

I have a degree in Social Justice and Peace, I am a Christian, and I have no idea what this man is talking about. Being progressive is not a conspiracy by non-Christians, it is a movement by Christians BACK to what Christianity was originally, as a faith that reached out to the poor and downtrodden in love and gave them a message of hope in the Gospel.

Please stop confusing your listeners Glenn Beck. Social Justice is a fundamental calling for the church- read the Bible and maybe you will see.

[TheEzekiel38]

@MaiCecile There is a degree in Peace, what University would that be?

[MaiCecile]

@TheEzekiel38 King's University College in London, Ontario, Canada.

[GlennMendozaUSA]

@MaiCecile So Jesus died so the world can be saved as Marxists? Social Justice means egalitarian society in economics, politics and human talents/nature which is what Karl Marx wrote about, its called COMMUNISM!!! Your just an ignorant red/black hearted comrade

[dannyGEE44]

philosophical ideas always seems to confuse people.

[joshdesk]

The amount of logical fallacies that come out of this man's mouth is incredible. For one, he's assuming that the stance of progressivism is that we can achieve perfection. BULLSHIT. It's about striving. Nobody's saying that utopia is possible!

[bigstU25]

@joshdesk You strive for perfection by hiding true history and wanting to use eugenics? You progressives are fucking NUTS!!! Sick motha fucks!! You probably didnt even know that is how Progressives strive for perfection.

[joshdesk]

@bigstU25

Oh my God. Take a Logic class, sir. I don't even know where to begin. You're taking this absurdly extreme picture of "Progressives" that you have in your head, and you're attacking that. Really, that's how ALL PROGRESSIVES strive for perfection? Is that so?

[bigstU25]

@joshdesk Logic class you say? So are you telling me that Margret Sanger's "Negro Project" is fake? Are you telling me that Woodrow Wilson didnt believe in eugenics or that he was a STONE COLD racist or that he didnt raise taxes in the US w/ his policies?

[joshdesk]

@bigstU25 You've got to be joking! First of all, Woodrow Wilson was a "progressive" in the pre-WW2 era...afterwards, society had a much-changed view toward eugenics. In the first few decades of the 20th century, it was a much-championed ideal. Not the case anymore.

[bigstU25]

@joshdesk Thats BS.. John Holdren, Obama's Czar believes in trying Eugenics.

[joshdesk]

@bigstU25

Proof, please. Preferably nothing from some extremist right-wing agenda website.

[bigstU25]

@joshdesk LOL! Well being that MOST of the media is liberal/progressive and Conservative media was started in the early 50s but didnt get full control of their speech until 86 after the "fairness docrine" that was put into law by FDR and was taken out of law by the Conservative Reagan. Right wing media has more validity to it. But anyway, im just say... Read John Holdren's book and get the info there....

[joshdesk]

@bigstU25

John Holdren, AS A PROFESSOR IN 1977, 33 YEARS AGO AND DURING THE GREAT "OVERPOPULATION SCARE", said that maybe women should be prevented from having a ridiculous amount of children via abortion. Admittedly, it's an idea that raises eyebrows, and if you're "pro-life", go ahead and attack his views on abortion. But if you think that's "Eugenics", go ahead and grab a dictionary. Eugenics is trying to control the "quality" of the population, not the "quantity".

[joshdesk]

@joshdesk

I've heard many a Conservative (including Beck) argue against Welfare, as it "victimizes a population, and encourages having more children who will in turn be on welfare". Such an argument is closer to Eugenics than most of the shit Glenn Beck is babbling about.

[bigstU25]

@joshdesk This comment is just pure ignorant. If you studdy statistics you can see that the conservative argument is truth

[bigstU25]

@joshdesk He also sighted in his book that Only CERTAIN people should be allowed to have babies; the essence of Eugenics... I like how you left that part out.. And you totally didnt understand what i wrote... I never said that Eugenics was to contol the quantity. So i dont need a dictionary, your need a reading comprehension course.

[joshdesk]

@bigstU25 Please tell me what the fuck "Margret Sanger's 'Negro Project'" has to do with anything?? It does not speak for me, churches that promote social justice, or the vast majority of "progressives".

Your logic: Hitler liked licorice. If you like licorice, you must be a Nazi!

[bigstU25]

@joshdesk LOL! That was cute. But unfortunately false... How about stop being so lazy and look it up yourself, it should only take you 10 to 15 mins the most if you can read correctly. You dont even understand the extent of your ideolgy or what the politicians that inforce it wants to do. Thats sad...

[joshdesk]

@bigstU25

"enforce". Sorry, I'm a prick about spelling.

[joshdesk]

@bigstU25

Beck is not a "source", he's a lunatic who provides entertainment in the way of a circus sideshow.

[bigstU25]

@joshdesk Sounds good, now pick a topic that proves your claim and stop with the personal attacks.. Show your knowledge instead..

[joshdesk]

@bigstU25

Glenn Beck agrees with Adolf Hitler that military spending is an extremely valuable part of the national budget. Does that make Glenn Beck a Nazi? No. Just as, while I agree with much of the "progressive", "humanist" viewpoint, it does not mean that I aqree with all "progressives" at all times. Sure, there are some fringe "Progressive thinkers" that may believe in Eugenics, in some (probably subtle and passive) form. But they by no means constitute the majority.

[bigstU25]

@joshdesk "Glenn Beck agrees w/ Hitler that military spending is an extremely valuable part of the national budget"??? MAAAN! Anybody w/ sense knows that military spending is valuable to a nation if you making money! Bad example.. But the way to carry out progressivism has failed through out history again and again. So why even subscribe to it? Why dont you name some of your progressive ideologies so i can see what part of the spectrum you fall under. Please? If you dont mind.

[joshdesk]

Glenn Beck is so incredibly arrogant. "Oh, please Mr. Beck, teach us uneducated masses and liberal space cadets...we need to be informed as to what 'progressivism' and 'social justice' objectively means! You're so DEEP, Glenn!"

[joshdesk]

Jesus Christ this man is a lunatic.

[bigstU25]

@joshdesk Could you give an educated reason why you think Beck is a loon?

[joshdesk]

@bigstU25

Well, considering that it's not self-evident to you, my guess is that no matter what I say, you're going to reject it. But basically, yes, I think his self-important rant about "Social Justice" being a "codeword" for something sinister reeks of hilarious and ridiculous paranoia. There are many "codewords" from the left, from the right, and from non-political agendas. It's not unique to the words "social justice". Christ, he's worse than a John Bircher.

[bigstU25]

@joshdesk Its hilarious to you cause you dont know any better. Not to sound like im a know-it-all, but if knew that Progessives like Margret Sanger used the church in her "Negro Project", then you wouldnt be laughing unless youre a racist fucked up person. Thats just one out of many examples..

And you dont like John Bircher or Beck cause you dont know how the Constitution or Bill of Rights works. If you did then you would appreciate them and i wouldnt tell you to move to Russia.

[judyleeverro1]

thank you glenn for speaking the truth..it may take a while for others to wake up and be educated, but eventually..it will happen...right? people cannot be stupid and blind ot the bitter end...can they? step this way to the showers...

[intrepidorator]

Glenn Beck was like a prophet when he said that, how could he have known that the Obama administration was going to be pushing Obamacare and cap and trade in the churches? We all saw Pelosi instructing the churches to push Obamacare as a way to live the gospel. Progressives pervert the intended message of personal responsibility and charity, only to replace them with a marxist point of view that was just polished enough to fit into some religious dogma.

[verstwo2]

@msd1835 - Where does secular humanism advocate Communism or Nazisim? It doesn't. Where does Communism or Nazism advocate secular humanism? They don't. Secular humanism is about the equality of human being regardless of there racial or cultural status. It's obvious you have no idea what secular humanism is and that you haven't looked at it with an unbiased eye.

[xtian21c]

wow, he talked for 7 minutes and didn't once explain what he was talking about, he can hardly finish a sentence... what's wrong with progress? just because you advocate that humans can progress, get better, does not mean that you believe they can become perfected, be perfect... what's this nonsense you are talking about?

well, i did believe that humans could progress, get better, until i saw glen beck... now, i am not so sure he can... i'll pray for you glen - Lord, please deliver us.

[charadester]

Never thought I'd see the day when Christians worshiped every word uttered by a McCarthyist Mormon.

[nanalinday]

@puginajug..you think a college degree makes a person intelligent?? It's starting to look like college has dumbed down a whole lot of people. It doesn't take a college education to put facts together.

[verstwo2]

@nanalinday - " It doesn't take a college education to put facts together." ...Any idiot can 'put facts together', but to put them together in a way that makes sense to any other then other idiots requires some sort of education. It's obvious that BEck and his followers don't have this.

[sophiemarie49]

How has society gotten worse? We used to have slaves, women couldn't vote or own property, education was only for the rich. There were no limits on worker hours, terribly unsafe working conditions, no rights to days off or sick days. All these things were part of getting better social justice. Social justice is a good thing unless you want to live in a third world country.

There are no code words. Beck saying social justice really means x,y or z, doesn't make it true.

[sophiemarie49]

Wow, if social justice is a bad thing, then I guess I shouldn't follow Jesus' teachings at all.

Code words? Does Beck get to invent the definitions and then that is the true definition?

[PuginaJug]

Hey Glen, Get a College Degree Before You Start Talking About These Things

[dranalli4823]

If we practiced Eugenics then Glenn Beck would have never been born

[77Conzilla]

social justice- the act of treating a man equally it is not communism since karl never said this he needs to read the communist manifesto by karl marx he has not so he shouldn't talk about it

[SamoaMoSamoa537]

"Excuse me? What's this social justice thing?"

I BELIEVE, IT'S CALLED CHRISTIANITY...

[russiam2]

@SamoaMoSamoa537 thank you!!!!!!

[dougmanjones]

Another phony conspiracy by master clown, Glenn Beck. What a dipshit. How does this douchebag even have a show?

[tadcali11]

@dougmanjones look at his ratings and keep wondering how Glenn Beck has a show lol... his ratings are through the roof compared to any other news show. phony, clown, dipshit, douchebag... you sound really smart!

[dougmanjones]

@tadcali11 - Lotta morons out there, I guess.

[russiam2]

@dougmanjones whats that supposed to mean?

[dougmanjones]

@russiam2 - It means Glenn Beck is popular for the same reason Jersey Shore is popular: lots of people are stupid and don't know any better, so they watch his show. I thought that was pretty clear.

[russiam2]

@dougmanjones are you saying that he doesnt know what he's talking about? if so why?

[dougmanjones]

@russiam2 - Actually, I do think Beck knows what he's talking about. I just think his viewers don't. No offense intended (if you watch his show), but in order to take Glenn Beck seriously, you either have to be stupid or just really, really paranoid. Like when he said that he couldn't debunk the Fema concentration camps that he, himself made up. That kind of thing.

[russiam2]

@tadcali11 thank you tons!!!!!

[way2xtreme559]

you know? here in america we have a thing called freedom? and you simply dont get freedom when you take the riches of one man and give those riches to another? talk all the bible shit you want! bring up all the corrupt bullshit laws they've passed in the last 100years! if its not freedom, liberty, and equality! its not american! and to use social-eco/enviromental justice in any means under any form is just simply unamerican! period!

[regdawgformerusmc]

Glenn Beck is da bomb!!! Jesus stated that He brought good news to the poor... Not the government!

[wsandvik]

my class just did a summary on this video using it as an example of many different types of fallacies.

[DaGanjaSamurai]

Note how he totally leaves out one of the first appearances of the term "social justice" appeared in the Federalist Papers.

[DaGanjaSamurai]

Does anyone else think Beck is annoyingly smug and full of himself?

[wortwechsel]

so, did he actually explain what social justice is? obviously not.

because if he did he would either be demonstrably wrong or in lack of an argument as to why his acolytes should be against it.

[norcalgirl83]

Let me explain something to people who think Glenn Beck is Correct Nazism and Communism are polar opposites. There is no such thing as a Nazi Communist. Obama cant be Hitler AND Stalin. In fact the Nazis tried to wipe out all Communists in Germany. This just shows the world how bad our American education system and how entirely stupid people are who think Glenn Beck is right. Open a book read. You might actually learn something.

[Ghotiman2]

4 part explanation by Glenn himself who demonstrates how wrong you are. I doubt you will listen to all 4 parts and learn a little but maybe someone looking at your response may appreciate it.

[tadcali11]

@norcalgirl83 watch his show and you might learn something about him! He describes nazism and communism as being polar opposites... See how ignorant you look when you have no idea what he talks about on his show? maybe you should educate yourself before you start saying things you have no idea about. Just a suggestion... ; ) peace!

[verstwo2]

@tadcali11 - actually in this very clip BEck describes Communism and Nazism as both being based on social justice....that hardly sounds like describing them as polar opposites. It's actually completely clear that both you and beck have know idea what you're talking about. And beyond that you seem to have a very selective memory when it comes to what beck says. Social justice is a pillar of most churches including Becks very own Mormon church. beck is a idiot and so are you.just a suggestion.

[tadcali11]

@verstwo2 -rather than relying on my selective memory how about you watch what he said for yourself. search glenn beck nazism communism -but of course you wont because you care more about personal insults than knowing what you are talking about. It's the typical liberal mentality. If you watched it you would have more of an understanding of what he says b/c you too are ignorant to what he believes. he says it plainly... you can listen.. or you can just make stuff up...as you are doing.

[verstwo2]

@tadcali11 - I just watched him! I just heard him say these things in this very clip. And I've herd him say it several times before in different clips. If you know of a clip where he says communism and Nazism are polar opposite, post the link and prove it. I'm not looking over years worth of beck clips to find it. The proof of what I've said exist in this very clip...I haven't made anything up. Beck says nothing plainly.

[tadcali11]

@verstwo2 -What things specifically does he say? -communism and Nazism use "social justice" as their social philosophy but they are politically polar opposites. You can't show me a Beck clip that says anything different, because it doesn't exist. Beck talks about this all the time and I've never heard him say anything different. Nazism and Communism being extreme right and extreme left or polar opposites is pretty common knowledge, and not really debatable.

[tadcali11]

@verstwo2 - as far as social justice being the pillar of most churches, I disagree with you on that one as well. Study the Mormon church, or any other church that preaches scripture. They believe in the individual giving from the heart, not government forced redistribution of wealth, as is the popular definition of social justice. big difference...

[RaychSeldon33]

This guy is completely nuts. He's making it up, sentence after sentence. Not a single trace of truth in his words.

[russiam2]

@RaychSeldon33 how do know, i believe that we all have our freedom of opinion, but still, what proof do you have?

[RaychSeldon33]

@russiam2 He's the one making incredibely stupid claims.The burden of proof is on him, not me.

[russiam2]

@RaychSeldon33 well, you never know, it could be from the stress of a job. but i cant see any sort of burdens on his face,

[RaychSeldon33]

@russiam2 O RLY? You don't know what the "burden of proof" is?

[UNLebanon]

What a contradiction! Beck starts by saying that our religious freedoms are going to be curtailed and then explains how we need to run away from churches that preach social justice. WOW. So much for having the freedom to my Christian social justice. What a hypocrite.

[BulaCounty]

@UNLebanon :

Watch this again. Are your for a government official standing behind your preacher each Sunday? If so, then your point is valid. What Beck is warning about is a Political Movement using generalized words through formal religion to change social policy. What about the non-existent sepration of Church & State. If your church started pushing homesexuality or stealing, (and Im not comparing just referencing) would you advise people to leave. This is the same thing.

[UNLebanon]

@BulaCounty There is no government official standing behind religious officials because there IS a separation of church and state in this country (see the first amendment). Beck is "warning" the obvious. Religion has forever been used as a way of swaying people to change social policy. Conservatives have used it against abortion and gay marriage (which Beck does not oppose). The hypocrisy is that Beck opposes liberals who use religion to support their causes (i.e. social justice).

[UNLebanon]

@BulaCounty (cont.) If a church supports something you don't like, of course you are free to leave that church.  What Beck is doing is trying to get Christians to change their church's stance on social justice because HE does not like it. It is no different than when liberal Christians try to change church policy on gay marriage, abortion, or the rights of women. Be consistent, BulaCounty. If you don't like liberal meddling in church policy, then say the same about conservative meddling.

[BulaCounty]

@UNLebanon-its the difference between the two (2). Abortion & homosexuality are against Biblical teaching. Using the pulpit is where this should be talked about. Taking money from one (1) person and giving it to another (by the use of force) is not Biblical. Talking about this in a Biblical sense would be like a preacher saying stealing or gay-marriage is Biblical. If your church teaches gay-marriage, steal is OK, etc. then they are not teaching from Scripture. I

[ElSeedyMinotaur]

@BulaCounty Actually taxes are quite biblical. Render unto ceasar and all that... You seem to understand the bible about as well as you understand poverty.

[BulaCounty]

@ElSeedyMinotaur . Render unto Ceasar...you are correct. No were did I mention we are not to pay taxes. Unlike Ceasars time, we have (or had) a Representative Form of Government (also Biblical-most taken from The Laws that God gave to Moses) where the citizens rule & are to decide what is given. We are to give charitable (biblical), not forced to provide for someone elses shortcomings, failures, illness (biblical), unless we wish - back to charity.

[ElSeedyMinotaur]

@BulaCounty Please point me to the Biblical verses pertaining to representative democracy. I'd be anxious to read those.

The fact is that we based our form of Government on the British model and received most of our 'common law' system from there as well... not the bible. Sorry.

In fact, Jefferson had some very strong opinions concerning the ridiculousness of the bible... so much so that he wrote his own.

[BulaCounty]

@ElSeedyMinotaur Actually, there are none. You cant have a representative democaracy any more than you can have dry water. As for a Rep Rebublic (our current system of Govt) you can use the Old Testament (1st 5 books, but Deut mostly-Beck reported thsi as well). Our system is not based on British, if it were we would not have left.....cont

[ElSeedyMinotaur]

@BulaCounty Deuteronomy does not contain any reference to a Republic of any kind that I can see... perhaps you can point it out? You know that it actually establishes the 'office' of King, right? Which established a hereditary monarchy? Which is NOT a republic at all? You know that right?

Whoa, lotta fail in that one Bula... also, the Founders most definitely did base our Constitution and Bill of Rights on English common law, sorry. That's why we have a 9th amendment.

[ElSeedyMinotaur]

"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors."

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

[ElSeedyMinotaur]

@ElSeedyMinotaur

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

[ElSeedyMinotaur]

@ElSeedyMinotaur

"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes."

-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.

Jefferson was for a separation of church and state. Sorry, Bula.

[BulaCounty]

@ElSeedyMinotaur .....****CONT****The Laws God gave to Moses, and the instruction of 'have 1 man judge 10, another 50, another 100' provides the biblical basis for everything we did. Jefferson thinking the Bible was funny..thats funny. Jefferson is often quoted because he was very much against organized religion (the way in which one worships God). However, he believed in God Father, Son & Holy Gost along with the text They gave us.

[UNLebanon]

@BulaCounty Spoken like someone who does not understand gov. programs. No one is using force to take your money. You make taxes sound like stealing. Please consider the public roads, schools, libraries, and social services that you or someone close to you uses before trying to label taxes as being a form of theft.

In regards to scripture, the bible actually does advocate social justice quite a bit. Don't take my word for it, just ask the Catholics, Baptists, or Mormons who all said so.

[BulaCounty]

@UNLebanon If no one if forcing you to pay taxes, I challeng you to not pay taxes. See what happens. There is a need for taxes, Im PO'd at the representatives who are stealing my money. There are too many layers in governmt that are not needed. Each layer adds to the taxes needed. The IRS was set up as 'we are to tax those with wealth, but never more than 1%'.

[ElSeedyMinotaur]

@BulaCounty Income Taxes are lower now then they were under Reagan.

Fact.

Please point me to where the IRS was never to tax more than 1%, thanks.

[BulaCounty]

@ElSeedyMinotaur Around the turn of the 20th century Progressivism had already been imported from Europe. Our Suprem Crt (SC) had ruled income tax unconstitutional some 5 times between 1875-1900. Around 1910 Congress conjured up a way past the SC and allowed for NET CORP INCOME OF 1% to be the max ever taken. That was 100 yrs ago. We are now any where from 19% - 64%.

[ElSeedyMinotaur]

@BulaCounty hmm, the 16th amendment exists. You know that right? You can repeal it but you can't change the fact that it is part of the Constitution now. The first income tax was for 3% in the Civil War, so you're wrong there too...

And we have a form of Representational Democracy in this country, sorry. We are a Constitutional Republic which is a form of REPRESENTATIONAL DEMOCRACY. It's an idea from Aristotle, not the bible, and the founders were pretty clear about separating church and state.

[BulaCounty]

@ElSeedyMinotaur I've had a good discussion with another contact here, but-dude you are right. America is a Representative Democracy formed, not from the Torah, but from the British model. Jupiter was also consulted, Lincoln started the income tax back getting money from North & South during the Civil War and the Founders hated Jesus and made sure 'Seperation of Church & State' was included on documents. Good Luck. I leave you with Proverbs 18:2 & 26: 3-12.

[ElSeedyMinotaur]

@BulaCounty Pretty sure I have never said the Founders 'hated Jesus.'

also pretty certain you haven't pointed me to the passages in the Torah that establish a republic. Almost certain you misunderstood Jefferson's quote concerning Jupiter just as you seem to misunderstand our nation's founding and biblical teaching.

You and Beck should check out Proverbs 21:13

[ElSeedyMinotaur]

@BulaCounty Why is it that the followers of Skousen are always surprised when someone else has read his many 'leaps' and is able to point out how ridiculous it is? You knowledge of history seems about as nuanced and accurate as you portrayal of that steak eating welfare recipient the other day... doesn't Proverbs have some juicy things to say about those who bear false witness?

[BulaCounty]

@UNLebanon (cont):Social Justice is not Biblical. Catholics, Baptist, Mormons, Friends, whatever may have their own take -'If a man does not work, he does not eat' is pretty clear against SJ. We are to give because we want to, not because we have to. If that means someone has less than others, than thats what it means. Not everyone can own a Caddy or live in a McMansion.

[BulaCounty]

@UNLebanon In my entire adult life I have been without work for 12 weeks. In that 12 weeks I utilized every system available to help me in finding another job (a facility with a literal office,computers, printers, faxes, etc.) Heres is where the SJ comes into play. Our state requires someone rec. UnEmplymt to go on min number of interviews per month. These interviews are to then be listed and sent to the UnEmply Office. I was there when the doors opended & left when they closed...tbc

[UNLebanon]

@BulaCounty If you do not pay your taxes you can either go to jail or leave the country. Taxes are part of being an American, my friend. It is not theft, it is payment to the gov. for providing those services that we use. No taxes, means no sevices. Not sure where you are getting the 1% from. Currently, the top marginal rate is about 35%.

[UNLebanon]

@BulaCounty (cont.) Yes, each group has their own take on biblical interpretation. So criticising Beck for telling people to run away from these groups is valid because they each have their own take, and Beck is not an authority on Christianity. As far as Catholic SJ is concerned, using tax money to help those less fortunate (i.e. welfare, healthcare) is part of our mission. It's no different than trying to ban abortion or gay marriage for religious reasons.

[BulaCounty]

@UNLebanon trying to ban abortion / gay marriage is based on Biblical principles so the Church teaches that. Beck was warning about SJ, because it is not Biblical. Charity is God inspred for everything that God has Giveth. Helping someone through a dark time is what we are to do (love one another), but can only be done through the Holy Spirits direction. Would the Church continually fund or help someone who refused to work (if they were able)?

[UNLebanon]

@BulaCounty You aren't being consistent. You say it's okay to ban gay marriage and abortion b/c the bible says so...and then you give a nod to conservative politicians who "force" such legislature. You then say it's NOT okay to pass SJ reform, even though the bible encourages SJ...and then you frown upon liberal politicians who "force" such legislature. You can't be both, BulaCounty. You can either agree with Bible inspired legislature or you can disagree with it. But don't be a hypocrite.

[BulaCounty]

@UNLebanon -Gay Marriage/Abortion is not Biblical so preaches have preached against it for years. To now have a gov't sponsered effort in support of SJ is not Biblical. If 'it', is spoken about Biblically, then pastors/revd, etc preach / talk about it. If it is not Biblical, they should not encourage their church/parish to follow that teaching.

[UNLebanon]

@BulaCounty Ah ha, now I see where you are coming from. You seem to think there is no interpretation of the bible except your own. Wrong again. In fact, there is a biblical case for gay marriage and some Christian denominations allow it. There is also a strong biblical case for SJ, which is precisely why Christian churches preach it (Catholic, Mormon, Baptist... to name a few). Churches have every right to preach SJ because they DO validate it with biblical scripture.

[ElSeedyMinotaur]

@UNLebanon Exactly. Thank you.

[BulaCounty]

@UNLebanon I thought we were having a good discussion-now Im lost. Homesexualtiy apprived by the Bible is incorrect. Just the oppisite, the Bible warns against same sex, but shows why the marriage covenant is beneficial. Not sure where/how you, as a Catholic, can validate this. On SJ, we have to agree to disagree. Im perplexd a fellow follower of Christ feels it is alright to take from producers and give to non-producers.

[ElSeedyMinotaur]

@BulaCounty

Luke 12: 16-21...

[ElSeedyMinotaur]

@BulaCounty Jesus never said one word about homosexuality in the Bible, Bula. he did say a lot about love and not judging other people.

Do you also argue for the stoning of non-virgin brides? DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21

Are you for outlawing divorce? MARK 10:1-12

Stoning adulterers to death? DEUTERONOMY 22:22

Killing couples who have sex during menstruation? LEVITICUS 18:19

Forcing Widow's to sleep with their dead husband's brothers until she has a male heir? MARK 12:18-27

All in the bible, Bula.

[UNLebanon]

@BulaCounty read the comments made by ElSeedyMinotaur. Bottom line is that not everyone is going to interpret the bible the same. You have your interpretations, I have mine, etc. So for Glenn Beck to tell Americans which churches are "wrong" and which are "right" has nothing to do with the bible. He is simply mad because there are Christian philosophies that back up Obama policies.

[Wombat66614]

@UNLebanon NO SIR Jesus NEVER taught that it's acceptable to have the government by force of law, take from one person and give it to another for ANY reason. Jesus taught that we the individual should help others ourself, from the love in our heart. Oh and BTW There is nowhere the Bible makes the case for gay marriage. That said, the gay community will make it acceptable in their own mind no matter what. Unfortunately far too many will find out too late that their thinking was flawed.

[UNLebanon]

@Wombat66614 What hypocrisy! Let me get this straight, it's wrong for the government to take from one person and give to another; but it's okay for the government to tell you which gender your allowed to marry?

The religious right wing is so full of BS.  You support the government forcing religious issues like anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, and school sponsored prayer. But then cry "socialism" when the gov forces you to be charitable. Blatant hypocrisy.

[Wombat66614]

@UNLebanon Wow, I didn't know the Gov't had stopped allowing abortions....oh wait, They made them MORE accessible, The citizens in this country voted over and over and over against gay marriage. Marriage my friend wasn't created by man, it was created by God as a covenant between a man and a woman with God Himself.

BTW it's not charity to FORCE tax payers to give money to people who are lazy and have no intention in earning a living.

[UNLebanon]

@Wombat66614 "marriage was created by God" wow, what a cop out. I realize logic may be beyond your abilities, but try not legitimize your arguments by invoking God.  It makes you look like an idiot in an otherwise rational debate.

"it's not charity to FORCE tax payers to give money". Yet, you want to FORCE gay people not to get married. You want to FORCE women into giving up their rights to their bodies. You are a HYPOCRITE.

[Wombat66614]

@UNLebanon Read the Word of God it's all right there my friend. A woman has a choice whether to carry a baby or not. that choice however ends a conception. A baby is no more a part of her body than a person seat belted in to a car, is now a car him self.

[UNLebanon]

@Wombat66614 The "word of God" also states that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to get into heaven. There is as much biblical reasoning behind legislating social justice as there is for legislating a ban on abortion and gay marriage. You're just upset that liberals have pwned conservatives at their own game: Using Christianity as a scape goat for legislating morality. Want some cheese to go with that whine?

[Wombat66614]

@UNLebanon When Jesus was speaking of the rich, what He was refering to was the fact that many wealthy people have need for nothing and therefore not have any need for God. Jesus was ALL About giving from the heart to the needy. Not having some elite politicians deciding for everyone where to send the money. Abortion take the life of a completely innocent life God created. God doesn't make mistakes, every child has a plan from God

[UNLebanon]

@Wombat66614 No where is that mentioned in Mathew 19. Jesus states that most rich people will not enter the kingdom of heaven b/c they will be reluctant in giving up their wealth. "When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth." Jesus is very clear when he tells people to give up their wealth, and even praises his followers who have already given up their wealth saying they will 100 times more wealth in heaven. "First will be last, and last will be first" (cont)

[UNLebanon]

@Wombat66614 Abortion is only a religious crime. There is no scientific or legal way to prove that an embryo is a "human life." Elite politicians deciding when something is considered human life is no different than elite politicians deciding to use tax money to help those less fortunate than ourselves. It is hypocritical to support politicians who enforce pro-life decisions, but refute politcians who enforce pro-charity decisions. They both use the same logic to justify their causes.

[Wombat66614]

@UNLebanon Not human life you say??? what pray tell is it then?? Cat , dog maybe...oh I know!! It's Horse of course of course!! Go to Psalms 139:13For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.14I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. continue....

[Wombat66614]

@UNLebanon continued...15My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, 16your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book

before one of them came to be.

Lebanon, you must understand we are fearfully and wonderfully made by our Creator!! No matter what stage of development that life is in!!

[UNLebanon]

@Wombat66614 You just proved my point for me. Every argument you made from your last posts trying to prove abortion is bad came from a biblical source. How is this any different than my arguments for charity coming from biblical a source. Again, my point is that you are a hypocrite. You say we need a gov. ban on abortion b/c it's in the bible, but then you look the other way when the gov. forces charity. Make up your mind. The gov either can or can't enforce biblical morality. Choose.

[UNLebanon]

@BulaCounty I think you are generalizing the people who will be helped by these taxes. They are not lazy people, they are people just like you. People who came on hard times and needed the help of social services to get back on their feet. It is a statistical fact that most people who go on wellfare eventually work their way off of it.

[BulaCounty]

@UNLebanon -True, I am generalizing as my sampling is from a large Mid-Western county, so I can only go on what Ive experienced. But my experiance shows most people became or are comfortable living off of someone else.

[UNLebanon]

@BulaCounty Statistics and general psychology would disagree with you. I already mentioned how most people on welfare work themselves off of it. But there is also a pervasive desire amongst all human beings to want to feel needed...to have some role in society, big or small. I will admit there are bad apples in every welfare barrel, and you have met some. But they represent the minority, not the majority.

[UNLebanon]

@BulaCounty (cont.) I think it's pretty telling that Beck is full of hot air when the majority of Christian churches (even the super conservative ones) call him out saying "social justice IS part of Christian faith." You may not agree with these churches, BulaCounty, and that is fine. But don't think for a minute that Glenn Beck is a more reputable source than the Catholic, Baptist, Mormon, Episcopal, Presbyterian, and several other Christian churches who have publicly disagreed with Beck.

[BulaCounty]

@UNLebanon Becks point was we are not to be forced to take care of someone. We are to be lead by the Holy Spirit to provide for one another.

[BulaCounty]

@UNLebanon (cont)..The entire facility was EMPTY Mon-Fri every week. No one using the computers, laptops, faxes, or other services available until the last day of the month.Then everyone would come in, 'list' the interviews they went on, send them in & leave.

[pinoleropuro]

Glenn Beck is so right!!! listen to the man he has expressed words of wisdom.

[sano0311]

Oh no...watchout Glen there is Comunist invasion underway :))))))

It's ok Glen. We the American people understand that you have to say something in order for you to bring home paycheck.

The true reason why we have religion is to give majority at least fait of having fun in the afterlife, while rich are haaving blast with our money. Glen you are so right. Lets move away from social justice, because church should be used for redemption propaganda. Afterall this is dog eat dog world.

[Auggey]

XD I'm an atheist libertarian, and I disagree with most of what Mr. Beck says, and he's a giant prick, but damn, is he entertaining and hilarious!

[gzX9bVq6k]

There is more people who belong to the religious left than those who are in the religious right and glend beck has finally woken them.

[genemz5]

Glenn is onto something that most people have no idea took place already. The Communists during China's takeover conned Christian missionaries to win over the people by appealing to their religious morality. After the power was obtained then Christian Chinese were killed wholesale. Power grabbers will try to exploit churches in the name of good.. stupid churches.. to get a foot firmly in the door, while at the same time, loath the church. Glenn is right about this Marxists ploy.

[cvcdgftr7676545]

glen beck is the anti-christ

[utah801SLC]

what a douche bag!

[theslowevo]

Hey Beck....we also have a right not to practice religion...asshole

[mcoop221]

No one ever said you didn't. In fact, GB also has stated that many times.

God bless!

[post105]

You cannot take all churches for granted, some are direct plants funded by liberals...

They are weeding their way into what use to be called the moral majority. I remember Hillary saying after George The Bush won in 04' " I guess we (liberals) will have to start being more religious"..... All they are doing is placing God on top of their liberal causes in order to push their agenda.

[ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz]

LOL not that the conservatives do that...

[post105]

Oh yeah like what?

[ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz]

well, take for example "god hates gays (i hate gays)"

[post105]

You are being fed propaganda from the Liberal Left. Are you referring to the church in Kansas or Nebraska - they make signs God hates gays, attend the funerals of our fallen soldiers, and picket and protest the war. Painting this as conservatives?

Christians don't hate gays, they hate what they believe as the sin. 99% of our country opposes two gay men getting married. Even Obama opposes it - So to try and pin this off on conservatives is ridiculous. You need to stop listening to this crap.

[ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz]

haha is that so? no im not talking about westboro baptist church, im talking about in general, 99% eh? says who? do you think fox news is balanced?

[post105]

The difference is that we have direct evidence and proof of George Soros funded churches and other Liberal organizations that are the underpinning of these churches agendas - This is not an illegal act, you have the right to worship how you want, but it should be known that its contrary to traditional values and principles. And these left-wing beliefs are on the outside of our mainstream religious denominations.

[post105]

Lets examine what you are saying here.. Republicans " use churches " to forward their political agenda?

You must be sort of new at this.. The church goin folks are always on a Battle Mission just to get ANY politician to have some decency and morals.

[mcoop221]

God bless you GB!

[theslowevo]

How can you defend what he just said?

[myeyepie]

Easy

PERSONALLY helping the poor and downtrodden by willingly changing your heart and giving freely of your substance IS CHRISTIAN.

Using your government to forcibly TAKE from a POLITICAL minority(the rich) at the point of a gun in order to skim some off the top for yourself and then give to the POLITICAL MAJORITY(the poor) in order to secure power and entrench corruption based on thievery and making a permanent dependent class, is NOT CHRISTIAN its Marxist, communist, AKA SOCIAL JUSTICE

[mcoop221]

myeyepie just answered it for me. TY

C-H-A-R-I-T-Y!

[58tkdmike]

the IDIOT GB 15 minutes are UP!

[mcoop221]

STOP RUINING MY COUNTRY!