I love this. It's perfect! I got my WR's to watch this so that they had a clue what snapping their heads meant-they were open but never looking. Thank you for your amazing video.
this white reciever is dumpster...false steps in the beginn of every route, high hat in and out of every break....SLOW....no stride, no arms in his breaks..trash
@azbacnikorange Yes -- that is the point of the jam. Rather than trying to fight them off, you have to make a move to get them to miss so you end up with a free release...
This is good stuff. I'm planning on joining football in a year or two. I won't now because I'm 5'7 and about 180 pounds. So because I'm kinda pudgey I woulden't make corner because my school mainly goes by weight. So... I have alot of work to do; but receiver is pretty fun too.
Thank you. Normally I have more QB's than I have time to work with, but I'm surprised more people don't invest in receiver training. Kids can improve dramatically in a very short time. Learning how to get separation makes a kid night and day better. I shocked at how raw a lot of kids are regarding running routes. It's just not something that a lot of people teach; they just let the athletes play which is understandable. I promise your WR will improve greatly....
Thanks for your videos... In regards to the Post route ... Andre Rison does exactly what you say to beat his man in the 1996 Super Bowl. Its the first TD in the game. I immediatly thought of it insice it was a west coast offense ... Great stuff again
I'm glad you got something out of this. I had Andre Rison work out with our receivers and he does this exact stuff. He does an elbow grab that I don't have up which works really well. The guy is the best WR coach I've been around.
ye man.. i have a question do you think you can send me some videos of wide outs vs DB's the last part when he shock that guy i liked it it i wanna no how to sahke dem on all the routes. i love dis video man!
Top Gun, stop calling the Martz offense the west coast offense. Get with the times. Most people call that the Air-Coryell offense, and they call the WALSH offense the west coast offense.
Sure, it is technically a misnomer, but this is simply the way it is. You only confuse people by insisting on terminology that no one actually uses.
Thanks for your comment. First, I'm using that terminology because I spoke face to face with the Mike Martz (we visited for 3 days while he was with the Rams and that is his discription, not mine. The guy should know more history about the topic than I do or even you do I would think.
I agree with you in that when you say :West Coast Offense" we all think of Bill Walsh. My problem is do I use what is historically true, or what people who are not as well informed as you use.
Coach Martz called it the West Coast Passing Tree so who am I to argue with him.
Martz meant that he uses the the West Coast Passing tree for his routes. He also implements John Jenkins' Multiple Adjustment Techniques for each reciever. Basically and Multi Formation, Run and Shoot type offense.
Thanks....certainly there is no 1 way in football otherwise everyone would do it. I like to read on the run a little more because the moving parts during the game never quite move as expected so you have to be flexible, that's all...my passing tree is no different than anyone else and my goal is to get the ball out. As a young guy trying to make it in the business you learn that adaptability is perhaps the most important thing in football.
I think there are better ways to do things and that technique will win you more games. Go to any NFL offensive line clinic and you'll see - those guys have it down to a science. I also don't think there is a lot of teaching going on at most practices -- coaches let their players figure things out for themselves through competition. I'm working with a NFL MVP QB's son, and he told me there were only 4 or 6 QB coaches in the NFL that really "teach" which is shocking to me.
Mike Martz taught me years ago that at the NFL level, they are using speed-cuts on comeback routes now -- it takes a great athlete to pull that off -- you have to get in and out of your route without stopping at all. He also runs his routes 5-yards deeper than normal -- that way he can throw over linebackers instead of between them -- you take 7-step drops and you have fast WR's. Probably one of the best offensive minds in football, and a good guy as well; down to earth man.
Yeah you have to be able to roll over that outside leg on the out. Work a piece of their body and challenge them inside. What would a speed cut on a comeback look like that's interesting? I like the break down on the comeback but that's the only route I'd allow it.
It's always too deep rather than too shallow so I agree with Martz on that....I don't agree with any concept that says a route is always X amount of steps or X amount of yards. I enjoy these videos thanks.
I respect your view, but from the QB's perspective, the receiver's routes better be exact. At the highest level (even JC level) the QB is throwing to spots rather than an individual receiver. If the WR runs a two step out @ 4 yds rather than a 4-step out at 7yds, the timing well be off and even with that short route it gives a great corner a chance to jump the route and pick the pass. That's the difference between getting separation on the break on having the DB right there at the catch.
In my opinion timing is something that develops through athletic instinct and repetition more so than explicit pattern rules. If a DB is playing hard inside at 7 and your comeback is at 10 then you've hardly moved him. Push it to 12 come back to 10 gives you a better shot. The basic rule for the QB is chest comes ball comes which will be sped up naturally as they play together more. If the WR has to adjust his stem coming out the QB can read that.
Just for clarity; you are telling me that you are going to run a comeback route @ 12, breakdown and come back to ten yards? Are you also saying that you would use a stem in this route? When and why would you use a breakdown cut compared to a speed cut? Do you have a particular strategy for beating a bump & run defender? Let's say you are running a curl route at 12 vs b & r; do you take an inside or outside release and why? You seem to have some thoughtful views on this topic -- a good thing
I'm just saying too deep rather than too shallow as a basic coaching point rather than just X steps or X yards. Some DB's are going to bail and give it to you anyway while some are going to sit and drive. So, burst and press him with speed to a depth that moves him, hopefully turns him, then break down and come back for it. This forces the WR to attack the ball in an athletic position for YAC. Release against press depends on play. No stem release, but may re-stem coming back to a better window.
Your thought process impresses me; I hope I didnt come across as trying to paint you in a corner. I think you and I are talking about different types of offenses and its like apples and oranges. I'm talking about a Gilman / Walsh type offense, and I "think" you are talking about an Oakland Raiders "vertical passing game". It's like comparing Jeet Kune Do and and Karate - both excellent, but very different. Thanks for your commments - they are well thought out. You obviously have played WR.
They have to "round" it just a bit in order to get in and out of the route quickly -- hence the term "speed-out". If you use a break down cut while the DB still has his shoulders square, he will beat the WR out of the break-down cut and get in the passing lane. The reason you use a speed cut is to get into and out of the route before the DB can react. Your point is well-taken though -- too many receivers round the break too much -- no more than two steps are needed to break at 90-degrees.
When running that out they gotta make sure not to round it out so that the defender dont come underneath and break up the pass OR take it to the house.
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WTFIamAwesomeness 1 month ago
I love this. It's perfect! I got my WR's to watch this so that they had a clue what snapping their heads meant-they were open but never looking. Thank you for your amazing video.
xDJblaze757x 6 months ago in playlist Football
that head snap is killing me
FitnessHartist 9 months ago
this white reciever is dumpster...false steps in the beginn of every route, high hat in and out of every break....SLOW....no stride, no arms in his breaks..trash
CALIFORNIAboy3 10 months ago in playlist Football
Newbie question: If the DB jams up the receiver in the first 5 yards wouldn't that completely destroy all the times routes? Thanks
azbacnikorange 1 year ago
@azbacnikorange Yes -- that is the point of the jam. Rather than trying to fight them off, you have to make a move to get them to miss so you end up with a free release...
TopGunQBAcademy 1 year ago 2
what about beating the arms? is that necessary or not?
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TopGunQBAcademy 1 year ago
This is good stuff. I'm planning on joining football in a year or two. I won't now because I'm 5'7 and about 180 pounds. So because I'm kinda pudgey I woulden't make corner because my school mainly goes by weight. So... I have alot of work to do; but receiver is pretty fun too.
thingkiller619 1 year ago
thanks a lot
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ColtOneColt 1 year ago
Ron...excellent stuff....Im sending you a receiver and a QB this fall....keep an eye out...Teahan
snobblett 2 years ago
Thank you. Normally I have more QB's than I have time to work with, but I'm surprised more people don't invest in receiver training. Kids can improve dramatically in a very short time. Learning how to get separation makes a kid night and day better. I shocked at how raw a lot of kids are regarding running routes. It's just not something that a lot of people teach; they just let the athletes play which is understandable. I promise your WR will improve greatly....
TopGunQBAcademy 2 years ago
Thanks for your videos... In regards to the Post route ... Andre Rison does exactly what you say to beat his man in the 1996 Super Bowl. Its the first TD in the game. I immediatly thought of it insice it was a west coast offense ... Great stuff again
HoRuSHoRiZoN 2 years ago
I'm glad you got something out of this. I had Andre Rison work out with our receivers and he does this exact stuff. He does an elbow grab that I don't have up which works really well. The guy is the best WR coach I've been around.
TopGunQBAcademy 2 years ago
ye man.. i have a question do you think you can send me some videos of wide outs vs DB's the last part when he shock that guy i liked it it i wanna no how to sahke dem on all the routes. i love dis video man!
gesnelson15 2 years ago
Top Gun, stop calling the Martz offense the west coast offense. Get with the times. Most people call that the Air-Coryell offense, and they call the WALSH offense the west coast offense.
Sure, it is technically a misnomer, but this is simply the way it is. You only confuse people by insisting on terminology that no one actually uses.
netisforporn666 2 years ago
Thanks for your comment. First, I'm using that terminology because I spoke face to face with the Mike Martz (we visited for 3 days while he was with the Rams and that is his discription, not mine. The guy should know more history about the topic than I do or even you do I would think.
TopGunQBAcademy 2 years ago
I agree with you in that when you say :West Coast Offense" we all think of Bill Walsh. My problem is do I use what is historically true, or what people who are not as well informed as you use.
Coach Martz called it the West Coast Passing Tree so who am I to argue with him.
TopGunQBAcademy 2 years ago
Martz meant that he uses the the West Coast Passing tree for his routes. He also implements John Jenkins' Multiple Adjustment Techniques for each reciever. Basically and Multi Formation, Run and Shoot type offense.
27BigE 2 years ago
Thanks....certainly there is no 1 way in football otherwise everyone would do it. I like to read on the run a little more because the moving parts during the game never quite move as expected so you have to be flexible, that's all...my passing tree is no different than anyone else and my goal is to get the ball out. As a young guy trying to make it in the business you learn that adaptability is perhaps the most important thing in football.
sbcvikings99 2 years ago
I think there are better ways to do things and that technique will win you more games. Go to any NFL offensive line clinic and you'll see - those guys have it down to a science. I also don't think there is a lot of teaching going on at most practices -- coaches let their players figure things out for themselves through competition. I'm working with a NFL MVP QB's son, and he told me there were only 4 or 6 QB coaches in the NFL that really "teach" which is shocking to me.
TopGunQBAcademy 2 years ago
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great vid thx for sharing
kaljan 2 years ago
I'm am going to be a Wide Out for my local team but am new to it, so this vid has helped me make my cuts a lot lot better
tzeentch14 2 years ago
Mike Martz taught me years ago that at the NFL level, they are using speed-cuts on comeback routes now -- it takes a great athlete to pull that off -- you have to get in and out of your route without stopping at all. He also runs his routes 5-yards deeper than normal -- that way he can throw over linebackers instead of between them -- you take 7-step drops and you have fast WR's. Probably one of the best offensive minds in football, and a good guy as well; down to earth man.
TopGunQBAcademy 3 years ago
Yeah you have to be able to roll over that outside leg on the out. Work a piece of their body and challenge them inside. What would a speed cut on a comeback look like that's interesting? I like the break down on the comeback but that's the only route I'd allow it.
It's always too deep rather than too shallow so I agree with Martz on that....I don't agree with any concept that says a route is always X amount of steps or X amount of yards. I enjoy these videos thanks.
sbcvikings99 2 years ago
I respect your view, but from the QB's perspective, the receiver's routes better be exact. At the highest level (even JC level) the QB is throwing to spots rather than an individual receiver. If the WR runs a two step out @ 4 yds rather than a 4-step out at 7yds, the timing well be off and even with that short route it gives a great corner a chance to jump the route and pick the pass. That's the difference between getting separation on the break on having the DB right there at the catch.
TopGunQBAcademy 2 years ago
In my opinion timing is something that develops through athletic instinct and repetition more so than explicit pattern rules. If a DB is playing hard inside at 7 and your comeback is at 10 then you've hardly moved him. Push it to 12 come back to 10 gives you a better shot. The basic rule for the QB is chest comes ball comes which will be sped up naturally as they play together more. If the WR has to adjust his stem coming out the QB can read that.
sbcvikings99 2 years ago
Just for clarity; you are telling me that you are going to run a comeback route @ 12, breakdown and come back to ten yards? Are you also saying that you would use a stem in this route? When and why would you use a breakdown cut compared to a speed cut? Do you have a particular strategy for beating a bump & run defender? Let's say you are running a curl route at 12 vs b & r; do you take an inside or outside release and why? You seem to have some thoughtful views on this topic -- a good thing
TopGunQBAcademy 2 years ago
I'm just saying too deep rather than too shallow as a basic coaching point rather than just X steps or X yards. Some DB's are going to bail and give it to you anyway while some are going to sit and drive. So, burst and press him with speed to a depth that moves him, hopefully turns him, then break down and come back for it. This forces the WR to attack the ball in an athletic position for YAC. Release against press depends on play. No stem release, but may re-stem coming back to a better window.
sbcvikings99 2 years ago
Your thought process impresses me; I hope I didnt come across as trying to paint you in a corner. I think you and I are talking about different types of offenses and its like apples and oranges. I'm talking about a Gilman / Walsh type offense, and I "think" you are talking about an Oakland Raiders "vertical passing game". It's like comparing Jeet Kune Do and and Karate - both excellent, but very different. Thanks for your commments - they are well thought out. You obviously have played WR.
TopGunQBAcademy 2 years ago
They have to "round" it just a bit in order to get in and out of the route quickly -- hence the term "speed-out". If you use a break down cut while the DB still has his shoulders square, he will beat the WR out of the break-down cut and get in the passing lane. The reason you use a speed cut is to get into and out of the route before the DB can react. Your point is well-taken though -- too many receivers round the break too much -- no more than two steps are needed to break at 90-degrees.
TopGunQBAcademy 3 years ago
When running that out they gotta make sure not to round it out so that the defender dont come underneath and break up the pass OR take it to the house.
JH16 3 years ago
Great video
TheRealKontroversy 3 years ago