2007 Ing Championship, 9P vs 8D

[TheUltimateZephyr]

A beautiful game by both. One can only wish to be either of those players sitting in front of each other. Able to touch the stones and truly realize such brilliance on a Go board

[Zero2x0]

such a great game. Go is and always will be in the top league of board games.

[Freshmanwave]

Epic mauling in the centre from White.

[hallaelementary]

Paduk

[falconise]

Erm. Can anyone give me a thorough explanation on why white resigns. I thot it was quite an even match? I even thought that black was gaining the upperhand?

[aragorn202]

White did not resign. Black did.

[badperson3]

Black has around 50 pts of territory and around 15 prisoners. White has around 70 pts of territory and a few prisoners. Add in the komi and white is winning by at least 10 points. (It might look like black has more territory than that, but white can monkey jump from the top right so that black gets virtually no territory on the right side.)

[zanetusken]

Yun is my fav modern player

(Go Seigen fav all time)

[greentrigger]

Feng Yun was pretty aggresive at the start.

[kenshincomic]

Awwe I was only at congress for 3 days so I didnt get to see this game =(

[MRnightmear]

well played game

[whateva904039]

In kgs, you can make the game play out automatically if you press shift and the next button. Would make showing it easier :)

[hikaruUSA]

I think I did, if not I did for the other vids. Thx =D

[keniichi]

I love to play GO, but I have to ask you this question: Weiqi(GO right?) was invented in China, and is considered Chinese Chess? What about GO in Japan since it was taken from China, then wouldn't that also be considered Chess instead of Shogi?

[hikaruUSA]

Well people compare Go to Chess in China, but that is an Americanized statement. People say that just to draw some kind of idea to the game, its not actually true =D

[keniichi]

Oh, thanks! I'm going to KGS, now. maybe ill be able to play you there!

[hikaruUSA]

I wont be on much until June 5th XD

[keniichi]

Ok, Ill be looking forward to it.

[NoTearsForTheFallen]

Chinese chess is shogi

[toxicated01]

chinese chess is xiangqi. japanese chess is shogi. go can be thought of as chinese draughts/checkers as americans call it. (not the one with the six pointed star, thats actually a variation of another board game called halma). its really confusing with all the mislabel and stuff; an example is american football and soccer/futbol

[NoTearsForTheFallen]

Sorry My Bad

[Maxdwolf]

Correct about the chess, but not about the comparison of draughts and go. The method of play and levels of complexity are far different.

[kooler2004]

@Maxdwolf Most scholars or just knowledgeable people know that draughts is comparable to chess, but Go has no game that can compare to it. Go is the ultimate strategic board game.

[Maxdwolf]

@kooler2004 If by compare you mean close in design, then you are mostly correct. Your second sentence is just mindless puffery.

[kooler2004]

@Maxdwolf Yet again you are wrong. Go requires strategy for 90% of the game and tactics is 10%. Chess ( which I was class A level a year before I quit) is mainly as one grandmaster has said 99% tactics. Checkers is in the same boat as chess. If Go has a comparison then tell me what you think it is. The fact is the only game ever made that compares to Go is batoo which is korean variation of go on a 9x9 board. I encourage you to play Go, and reach 1 dan if you do you will understand your wrong.

[Maxdwolf]

@kooler2004 Please don't use made up statistics for terms which are not easily measured.

That go as it is played is more complex and more resistant to brute force calculations is well known.

I do in fact play go and consider it a superior game. But your comments in regards to it are inaccurate.

[kooler2004]

@Maxdwolf Those are not made up statistics bro look it up. I have chess book's from grandmasters that say chess is 99% tactics, and at the same time I have material from Go professionals that says tactics is 10% of Go. Both statements are accurate in all ways when you examine these two games.

[Maxdwolf]

@kooler2004 Give me the title of the book and the definition of tactics/strategy that they give such that they can assign a numerical value to either. I have spoken with go professionals and will bow to their judgment on any aspect within the game. But on mathematics, particularly game theory, they are not much better than the rest of us. You keep using that word accurate, I don't think it means what you think it means.

[kooler2004]

@Maxdwolf Accurate is a term that refers to something meeting the standard it is being said to meet. Tactics in definition of war is the way in which the strategy is carried out, and in Go tactics is any instance in which you need to see the next 2+ moves to know what is going to happen, and in chess it is the same concept. Go uses tactics to when fights locally, but is only useful if the fight won or lost coiencides with your global strategy. Chess is referred to as 99% tactics by Fred Reinfeld

[Maxdwolf]

@kooler2004 Funniest definitions ever. :) The first two are meaningless, particularly when assigning numerical value.

You commit the fallacy of argument of authority again by citing Reinfeld. How did he come up with that number? Where are his calculations? 97.3 percent of statistics are made up out of thin air.

[kooler2004]

@Maxdwolf in his book 1001 winning chess sacrifices and combinations. The reason it is refered to as such is because the game of Chess is all about calculating long variations, and not having a paticular strategy on the board. Strategy is the overall plan of a war. Go best shows this in that your first 15 moves determine what type of game you are trying to play. Each and every move a high amatuer dan or pro makes is focused on the entire board, and alot of moves require not tactics or

[kooler2004]

@Maxdwolf calculating. In chess the only part that can be considered a strategy is what opening you choose, but openings in chess are done tactically. However in Go the idea of tactics is only to build a board position that makes your strategy successful, and every tactical move made in Go has a primarily local influence, and when you use your tactics globally you start to see results.

[Maxdwolf]

@kooler2004 So are you saying that when you played chess you did not consider the whole board when making a move or where the game was headed?

[brandalfgjfj]

@Maxdwolf well technically in chess you consider the other pieces on the board in go hmm well of course it's not as if the board was blank but you have to see the rekationship between groups you could say each group's position equals to a chess match, in the way you analyse it, plus there's the strategy, that is the whole board, you see some 15/20 kyus with an amazing reading ability, but not bad chess players who can read 5 moves ahead... but I agree chess isnt a totally different thing drom go

[kooler2004]

@toxicated01 wrong, Go has no comparison. draughts is very comparable to all forms of chess.

[IIIZeldaIII]

japanese chess is shogi...

[SilverTemjin]

しょぎ is Japanese Chess.

[kooler2004]

@keniichi chinese chess is the first version of chess made in china a few centuries after Go was made. Go is a completely different game. In most versions of chess tactics is the primary way to win the only real strategy is choosing a good opening, but in Go strategy takes up 90% of a well played game while tactics take up 10%. Strategy is a plan that you start in the opening to win the game tactics are parts of the game where you need to see the future to win a fight(aka reading ahead.)