Second American Revolution: Howard Phillips (2 of 4)

[Snowflake70]

Look at the VIEW count...read the 2nd paragraph in the Declaration of Independence - - -then, if you can...tell me we are not there Now. Not tomorrow. NOW.

Go ahead...tell me. OK, give this message wings

[greasyjeezus]

Just as an individual may take whatever actions he deems necessary to ward off his destruction or the perceived threat of his destruction, so too may a people act in their self-defense against a magistrate's lawlessness or viciousness

do something.

[Mastr9]

50 billion dollar deficit in 1939...........now we're at 9 Trillion in 2008.

WE NEED A REVOLUTION.......THATS 50,000,000,000 TO 9,000,000,000,000........DO THE MATH.....WAKE UP AMERICANS

[DucatiMo22]

Still feel that way a year later?

Let's do this. When?

[feistygeek]

so, why does it follow that "our creator" refers to your conception of god? Why not Thomas Jefferson's conception? He was a Deist, believing that God created the world and forgot about us, and he seemed to believe that we should forget about Him. What makes your conception of God any more valid than mine?

[jcr4runner]

Deists don't believe in the Declaration of Independence's God who is a "Divine Providence" and a "Supreme Judge.

Jefferson was an unconverted theist.

He may not have been a true Christian, but he was not a Deist and never claimed to be.

He once wrote, "I am a Christian."

He may have been Monarchian or Unitarian, but he was constrained by the Congress to use orthodox Christian language in the Declaration.

It wasn't ONLY Jefferson who wrote the Declaration of course.

[billy2bob]

OK. What other God is there that operates in a Trinitarian covenant as in this trinitarian form of government?

And what is your concept of God? Do you believe there are two? Yours and mine?

[JohnO318]

because apart from the God of the Bible there is no ultimate standard that can make consistent sense of the reality & invisible laws which we all take for granted, for instance the laws of logic.

[rOaCh2000]

liberalism kills.

[peppercub]

I love how you mention the Declaration of Independence (which is nothing more than a glorified letter of intent), but you fail to point out that the Consitution (you know, where the laws actualy come from) mentions neither God or Jesus, and the framers made sure that the first amendment was clear: No establishment of a church. What part of that do you not understand? Why do you interpret that to mean that you have free reign to control the actions of society?

just asking.

[jcr4runner]

I don't believe in a state established church. But I do not separate the idea of civil freedom from God.

[amajetich]

Very nice. I wish there was more detail. Like That Benjamin Franklin was a free mason and not christian, and Andrew Jackson was deist. Gorge Washington was an honorary mason and then removed himself after a month

or so. Creation is right on the money. America gets spanked when our hearts go sour on God. Believe me, it can get worse or better, it comes down to us. We always have a choice.

[rOaCh2000]

not all masons are bad people. stop being so conspiratorial

[novusord]

Freemasonry is NOT a religion. Please don't confuse it with such.

[WallyGeorgeisRIGHT]

It is a worldview and a system of beliefs making it comparable to a religion.

[Anela365]

i get enough of this at skool!

[jcr4runner]

It must be a govment funded publik skool then?

[SultanBorat]

Thomas jefferson never invoked the name "jesus christ our lord" whatever, He was in fact a deist and not a Christian and the god he spoke about in the declaration of independence reflected his view of the deistic god and the Judeo christian religion, The document is also not the charter of rights in which America ever operated on its value is only historical.