Dude you are hypocritical. Period. The Europeans invented God so they could prove and disprove him just as ur doing now. How about fight to put the indians on the U.S. Currency like they deserve and how about pointing blame at America who has Gods name on the bill u get ur donations from. Stay in school. - Jason Justice
The reason we can't leave it alone is because this bullshit has so much influence in the world and is honestly quite dangerous. And personally, I feel like religion won't leave me alone.
My opinion is that the world is a much more complex place than we believe and what we know as the truth not necessary has to be true although it may seem logically. If religion is true or not it can provide some positive progress for the sosiety. Religion is believing in something bigger than your self. Something hidden, and in this way it can help inspiering people to think new, bigger, being creative.
We cannot make ALL people give up violence but we should at least try not to provide them with excuses for being violent, and religion IS an excuse in many cases just like fascism, communism and other ideologies
Wow, this guy Hitchens is missing a huge point. Eliminating religion doesn't eliminate violence or tyranny any more than eliminating guns would end murders. People managed to find reasons to hate and kill each other long before guns or religion. In short the problem is what it's always been, people.
However, religion has provided an easy reason for people to bring harm upon others for centuries. Your "gun" analogy isn't accurate, because a firearm is simply a tool. Now, if the REASON for people murdering each other is because of illegal drug-running, then the solution is simple: legalize the drugs.
It's the same with religion. Eliminate the irrational and unecessary reason, and you've solved one aspect of the problem.
@SeedsOfHatred The analogy is accurate, you're just taking it out of context. People often make the case that if there were no guns there would be fewer deaths. People also make the case that if there was no religion, there would be fewer deaths. Guns kill, Religion kills. The flaw here is that neither guns nor religion kill, people kill people. If not a gun then some other weapon. If not religion, then some other differing aspect to differing groups of people.
@177SCmaro Again, you're correct. Religion is not the only reason that people slaughter one another.
Historically, however, it has been and continues to be a major catalyst for violence, oppression and hatred. We can't change Human nature, no. But we CAN change the needless reasons for inciting violence.
For instance, we can't stop people from killing each other because of greed. We CAN stop people from killing each other because Allah says it's a holy thing to do.
@SeedsOfHatred You don't seem to understand. Eliminating religion will just mean people will use some other "needless reasons for inciting violence." If not Allah, then people could just as easily contrive some other outrage to justify violence. Human nature is the root of the problem.
Im so agree with you. You can't use religion as a reason for using violence , nor can u blame religion for that people are doing bad actions. Everyone have to stand for what they do and everyone will get what they deserve if it's karma ,prison sentence from the state or a eternity in hell. I believe without religion the consept of athism and humanism would not exist, and humankind would not be were we are today with our knowledge . Thanx to religion humans progress keeps amaze us.
@dr4x95 Exactly. People are responsible for their actions. As I said earlier, blaming religion for violence is tantamount to blaming guns for violence. Eliminate guns and people will find some other way to kill each other. Eliminate religion and people (that is those who preach/teach violence) will contrive some other moral justification for killing each other.
@177SCmaro I dare to disagree, sir. Blaming religion for violence is like blaming bloodthirsty leaders, not guns. Yes, it's true that it always comes down to people, their morality and idealogy and it's RELIGION that is to a great extent responsible for what people think. Fascism, communism, christianity, islam etc. are more or less the same - they are ideologies based on no apparent evidence, something that people are MADE to believe. They are all harmful, dangerous and silly.
@melychor lol good comment. You don't have to "dare" to disagree. If you disagree that's fine, more power to you.
Even in your example you're still missing the mark. A "bloodthirsty leader" can stand on a soap box and say whatever hateful thing he wants, it doesn't change that fact that by doing so he isn't actually killing anyone. Again, I would like to point out that PEOPLE, as in individuals, are responsible for THEIR actions.
@177SCmaro Ok, I take your point. I agree that people are responsible for their actions, but unfortunately not all of them realize that. You cannot just leave your own child to his own devices and hope that he will work out for himself what is good and what is wrong. So my question is: What can THE SOCIETY do to make those people behave in a responsible way? The answer is: educate, and education includes making people immune to harmful ideologies, religion being one of them.
@melychor Correct but whether or not they realize they are responsible for their actions doesn't change the fact that they are still responsible.
About children: that’s were a parent's responsibility come it.
btw, it irritates me when people equate ALL religion as bad or harmful. For example, what's harmful about thou shall not kill? Or the ideas of redemption and forgiveness?
Also it's not society’s responsibility to MAKE (a word that implies force btw) people behave responsibly. “Society” is a bit ambiguous since it doesn’t actually exist, people do. Society is just the fact that people interact. It’s the individual’s responsibility, not society, to act responsibly. If "society," meaning everyone, has a responsibility to others, it's to hold others accountable for their actions when they don’t act responsibly.
@177SCmaro totally, its like hitler, he is innocent because he only told people to commit genocide. idiot, people are responsible for their actions. but religion is the strongest cancer known to man. ex in 2011 people still actually believe the bible is real. nuff said
@unholychunk That's not what I meant. I just meant that religion, or any philosophy or ideology, shouldn't be getting all the blame as it's people that actually do the wrong. And if you eliminate the religion/philosophy/ideology in question people will just come up with some other reason to kill.
Also, Hitler, a person, was in no way innocent and if there is a Hell he deserves the hottest corner and all those who committed crimes in his name can share in it.
@unholychunk sigh...yeah okay, that's right. Religion is responsible for the state of mankind's evolution. And religion is the cause of all problems everywhere in all time. Got it.
Sounds like the kind of thing that might give Richard Dawkins a mini-orgasm just thinking about it. Maybe you should talk to him about it, might make his day?
@177SCmaro was able to come up with that all by myself, before i even heard of richard dawkins, imagine that. also saying would be better evolved is not the same as saying religion is the cause of all problems everywhere in all time. lol you believers, your intellect shines as a beacon for all
@unholychunk I didn't say "better evolved" and "religion is the cause of all problems" were the same. It's called sarcasm. You know, repeating what you said then adding an exaggeration for comedic effect? By missing the obvious you're not exactly wowing me with your intellect either, bud.
And didn't I say anything about you coping Dawkins. I said Dawkins would probably get off on that kind of anti-religious crap.
@EvilNecrophase Even when it's blazingly obvious? Read the comment of mine that starts with a sigh (or better yet all of them between me and the other guy) and tell me it doesn't drip sarcasm.
@177SCmaro Its funny how religions tend to say the same thing about people being to blame- we are, after all, unworthy and sinful wretches who wouldn't know goodness if not for God's permission.
@pissjugseverywhere lol okay dude, make sweeping generalizations if you want. I'm not even going to try to defend religion against that sort of mischaracterization. If I did take the time to do that I'd probably have to quit my job as I'd have time for nothing else.
@177SCmaro (Part 2) way - this is true. But if yo've eliminated religion, you've eliminated a major excuse for malice.
As someone once said: "With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things; that takes religion."
Evil is as evil does. I don't believe in God but atheism is still an "ism" and could become the new religion if people become too swept up in it. Those who advocate violence against religion haven't listened to a word this man said.
@breton1 Wow, one person hints at violence. It's gotta be a crusade coming soon. You are funny. Do you realize how many you tubers there are who make death threats in the name of their god? It wouldn't be too sad of a day if the criminals of religion were killed, yet I don't want it to happen since it will only bring about worse for our species if we succumb to medieval ways of solving problems.
Ditto. It is a theory. Survival of the fittest did not originate with Darwin. It is foolish to be so emotional over theories, and it impedes sound, careful study, as well.
I love the smirk on the moderator's face when the man in the front asks that question. He (and everyone who knew about Hitchens) knew exactly what was coming.
It's interesting how even as an enlightened atheist he still manages to be anti-Semitic. Somehow everyone is entitled to their ancestral land except the Jews.
@BradDanyluk That makes him Jewish according to Jewish law but it doesn't mean his ideas have merit and it doesn't mean he understands the first thing about what's really going on in Israel. Sadly, there are many Jews participating in the liberal campaign to make the Jewish homeland Judenrein, but that doesn't make it right.
@AdamRS614 Wow that is the most ridiculous thing I've heard, yet sadly true. Religion is and always has been a way for evil people to mascaraed as good.
There is nothing to respond to. If a man can go around the country preaching, there is no God, then why is he preaching? I see a foolish man, who screams at the top of his lungs against a God he believes doesn't exist, how dumb is that. I have a difficult time believeing that he is a athiest. No true athiest would go around preaching about something that he believe's is not there. Does he do this for offerings or thithes from his followers? How foolish can a liar get?
@wisdomthruknowledge so you're telling me that if most people on the planet believed that magical snot monsters created the universe and were trying to teach your children this in school, and making legislation based on this belief in magical snot monsters, that you would just sit back and not say anything about it? well sir, that sure makes you sound like a fucking immoral idiot. If something is ravaging society, intelligent and moral people do something about it.
I agree with Hitchens, but I think we should step up the battle and go after the church leaders. If it requires violence to get rid of them then so be it. I know that getting rid of religion would probably not solve all of the worlds problems but it sure would be a step in the right direction. The whole notion of respecting everyone's beliefs is preposterous. When I believe proves to be vile we should work to cut if off.
Bad means lead to bad ends. If you cannot make your point and defend your ideas without violence, you are no better than the religious slef-righteous zealots who take (divine) justice in their hands. Think more and act wisely. That is the essence of what Atheism is.
@Memoiana Thanks for the advice but sorry I disagree. Sometimes politeness and tolerance fail and that is when one must step in and take aggressive action.
@UnchainYourMind2 what do you mean by "aggressive" action? It is in the militant sense that Richard dawkins advocates for? Or does it involve violence? In that case you might want to watch how a non-violent legal action lead to victory against creationnism . type in youtube: Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial 1of12.
Violence is the weapon religion has always used. What sense does it make to defend reason, using the same weapon? Warring for peace is like raping for abstinence. ;-)
@UnchainYourMind2 You presume that your standard of what is evil should be the correct one. You're no better than the ones you claim to be against. I'll not be subscribing to what this man or any other man wants to decide for me what to believe.
Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have successfuly framed themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
You said "...Just because we don't know the problem exists, doesn't mean it isn't there. Without science, we wouldn't have fixed anything if we just prayed. Science has given us everything, "God" has given nothing."
Science absolutely didnt give us everything... to say it did would contradict evolutionary theory. According to the theory, evolution allowed us scientific knowledge, not the other way around.... As Dennett said, "evolution is more clever than you are."
@tubebooboob I have a lot to talk to evolution about. Why evolve traits and needs that are detrimental to the organism called human? Why such soft skins and the need to bathe? Other creatures have better defenses, sharks and alligators/crocs haven't changed for long periods of time, so must be the best forms. They didn't evolve the ability to be miserable, argue, or hold grudges. And this guy shouldn't speak for those he is opposing, bad debate, period.
@crikkyy I was invited to attend an atheist group for weekly gathering... It felt a bit like I was being invited to attend a church... I think that is ironic.
Anybody who has been seriously engaged is scientific work of any kind realizes that over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words: 'Ye must have faith.'
@CRaschNet Seems somewhat reasonable but appearances can be deceiving. What you said regarding religion and atheism is based on ambiguous words. For example, the word "God" or "god" can have different meanings. Thats just one example; your definitions of religion seem to resemble a straw man argument. Anyway, while you raise an interesting point, you are missing some other points. Religions are cultural. Religion is part of culture, see anthropology. People should label and discriminate less.
@CRaschNet But thats wrong, I have experienced gravity. It doesnt require science to experience gravity. Nevertheless, I am aware of the Newtonian physics and gravity and such. Nevertheless, correct me if I am wrong, but there's no fully accepted theory of gravitation yet.
Who is this "we" you refer to? If scientists tell you something is true, that doesnt count as proof. A number of "scientific" studies that are biased by political agendas. If you didn't do the research than your proof seems more like faith.
whats more, even believing scientific evidence is usually an act of faith. Until you yourself have personally experienced it instead of just hearing or reading about it, how can you really say it even exists? I personally havent found any dinosaur bones. Have I seen the Big Bang, no, neither have you. did you do the quantum mechanical mathematics yourself, probably not, even if you did, who knows if you did it right or not. Physicist Max Plank said about scientists "...Ye must have faith"
Science is not faith. It is the total opposite. We can't see gravity but we can measure its affect. I guess you don't accept gravity since you have not personally observed it.
Another thing, atheism and religion arent mutually exlusive but there are some religions which are commonly refered to as nontheistic, for example on the wikipedia page on atheims it says "Because of its absence of a creator god, Buddhism is commonly described as nontheistic." and even claims "Hinduism holds atheism to be valid, but difficult to follow spiritually.[16]" etc....
A religion would fit most if not all the following:
-Belief in supernatural beings (gods).
-A distinction between sacred and profane objects.
-Ritual acts focused on sacred objects.
-A moral code believed to be sanctioned by the gods.
-Characteristically religious feelings (awe, sense of mystery, sense of guilt, adoration), which tend to be aroused in the presence of sacred objects and during the practice of ritual, and which are connected in idea with the gods.
-Prayer and other forms of communication with the supernatural
-A world view, or a general picture of the world as a whole and the place of the individual therein. This picture contains some specification of an over-all purpose or point of the world and an indication of how the individual fits into it.
-A more or less total organization of one’s life based on the world view.
-A social group bound together by the above.
Which Buddhism and Hinduism mostly fit. Atheism doesn't fit almost any.
@markbyrne82 You make some good points; I think your first one is questionable because even if science can, which I think it probably can, it doesn't seem to be doing it. I hope you are right about what your saying, I think you are basically on the right track IMHO. I wish to see more effort from science or more accurately the scientific establishment and the social sciences are more successful at identifying and promoting a sense of universal ethics/righteousness/etc... & avoidin ethnocentrism
@CyeOutsider The Nazi party used science to create gas chambers etc. What about the political "science" that made that?
Science is kind of like a brick,
you can use it to smash babies and their mom's face and steal her purse (evil)
OR
you can build a school to educate/nurture kids (good).
Religion, I hope, prevents the evil. There have been many conflicts over "religion," I think false-religions cause that. Whereas, True Religion(s) start with inner peace, compassion and righteousness.
@CyeOutsider Consider: Science has facilitated many solutions yet it created or worsened problems too. The point is to better prevent the problems it has tended to create/exacerbate. If it werent for "science" the world wouldnt worry about holes in the ozone layer, nuclear anihilation, pollutions/industrial waste, and environments rife with xenoestrogens etc. If people were more kind, ethical/moral, and clear on the WHOLE Truth, it'd be better. Else, science is incomplete/partial/"half" truth...
@tubebooboob Just because we don't know the problem exists, doesn't mean it isn't there. Without science, we wouldn't have fixed anything if we just prayed. Science has given us everything, "God" has given nothing.
@tubebooboob The idea that science can't deal with questions of morality and values is clearly an illusion. Questions of morality are ultimately questions concerning the well being of conscious creatures. For example, why are we more concerned about the well being of our fellow primates than we are about insects? Because science tells us there is a connection between biological complexity and degree of suffering that an organism can experience. Watch Sam Harris' video on Science and values.
"Science investigates; religion interprets. Science gives man knowledge, which is power; religion gives man wisdom, which is control. Science deals mainly with facts; religion deals mainly with values. The two are not rivals. They are complementary. Science keeps religion from sinking into the valley of crippling irrationalism and paralyzing obscurantism. Religion prevents science from falling into the marsh of obsolete materialism and moral nihilism."
Since Dawkins, Hitchens & their Marxist minions want to destroy religion altogether, will the next step will be to destroy all the believers as well? Will Christians, Jews, Moslems & Hindus be rounded up like we were in Russia, China & many other countries too? Censorship led to genocide in those cases.
For nearly 75 years atheism/evolution was taught in the former USSR. They were a superpower&determined to spread atheism worldwide. I myself studied the USSR nearly 30 years during the cold war era.Within months of the fall of theUSSR in 92, the Bible was reintroduced in Russian schools&has been part of Russian schools nearly 20 years. Olga Lutsenko was a main one behind this&she tells her story on youtube. The Bible was a banned book&parents could'nt teach it to kids.I support Olga financially.
Just goes to show that you have to win some and lose some. Get rid of a totalitarian government and all of the sudden the floodgates of religion pour back into an area.
Honestly, I'm so sick of hearing people yack on about how atheism is evil or atheism is this or that. Honestly, atheism isn't really a thing. Religion is a thing, atheism is a lack of religion.
@ninjajesus81 no, atheist do not believe in the christian god, the one who admits to the existence of other gods and then commands you to only wworship him because he is a jealous god
a "unicornist", who believed that unicorns do exist, would have the burden of proving/rationalizing why he/she believes in unicorns - it's not the "aunicornists" job to disprove this.
Religion is the root of all evil right next to greed. All wars are either fought over greed or religion or both its true. Some greedy people use religion as an excuse and to gain power. Control and religion are interchangeable words. The fake promises of after life diminish this life. Religion makes people hate other people and do horrible acts. Nothing else compares.
@baxtar1963 You make many good points about how religion has often been misused, but if you think that that's all that religion is then you are sorely mistaken. Furthermore, people hate other people and do horrible acts for many reasons, there is nothing extraordinary about religion in this respect beyond its ability to unify people behind a cause. Learn a little bit about religion and what good it does for many people before you decide to attack it.
@baxtar1963 Without doubt, one of the factors in the emergence of anti-religious ideas and a phalanx of deniers of God, has been the false teachings, the inadequacies and the intellectual perversions of the followers of some religions. The peculiarities and separate characteristics of each religion must, therefore, be individually examined when studying the reasons that have led men to adhere to that religion.
@baxtar1963 Western intellectuals were aware only of the superstitious aspect of false religion and how the established dogmas of religion lacked all logical basis, so they had no hesitation in condemning religion as such to be baseless. Their judgment was based on their discouraging experiences with their own religion, and it could not fail, then, to be hasty, unrealistic, irrational and illogical.
@baxtar1963 This is one of the most narrow minded view points I've ever read. There are a vibrant fabric of religions all across the world and all throughout time. Religions, of all kinds, are weaved into what it means to be human. In that case, humanity is the root of all evil. Idiot.
@baxtar1963 Oh so Christianity isn't Christian enough? Do you really think that justice, equality, surrender, pity and "goodness" make any sense without a God? What did the great martyr hero actually achieve without his defiant resurrection? Is there anything to be valued in a pathetic enervated half dead man on a cross if there is no eternal spirit that makes him victorious? All your values are simply a hatred of strength and giving in to weakness... Enjoy your crucifixion
@BlueShark20201 My gut tells me you're a troll, but I'll bite.
In what way are WE the fools? We follow and trust the scientific method, whereas (most) theists base their entire lives around ancient texts with ZERO evidence to prove their claims.
I wonder, what are your thoughts on evolution by natural selection?
@xcoibyx Lets start with the Big Bang,a theory that suggets an explosion from a singularity of energy created the universe and is still expanding to this day.This is a myth,physicists (atheists) have not produced any evidence that a singularity of energy could have caused the Big Bang for the one reason that they cannot prove what it came from.If they cannot prove what this singularity of energy came from,then this theory (myth) is not valid.Agree?So they are still stuck guessing of how it came.
The Big Bang theory says nothing about an explosion, only an expansion. It didn't create the universe it IS the universe. Red shift proves the expansion is still continuing (amongst MANY others, but let's just stick to Hubble's findings in this reply). No scientific theory claims to know where this singularity comes from, there are hypothesis, but no theories. And yes, we admit to that. You try to put words in to the mouth of science
@xcoibyx Christians accept micro-evolution which is not that a species,(kind of animal),cannot change into another species.This is where atheistic evolution goes into macro-evolution.The teaching that a species can change into another species given enough time.This is absurd and again cannot be proven.The Fossil record is not credible,for the reason that fossils tell almost nothing.All a fossil will show is that an animals died,agree?
They shouldn't accept micro-evolution - There is no micro- and macro-evolution, there is only evolution. It was invented by religious fanatics, with zero supporting evidence, wherefore science does not take it seriously. And no, you compare ONE fossil with the entire fossil-record in order to claim it teaches nothing. That's a blatent lie. Breaching the ninth commandment for jeebus, are we? Go away troll, you are SO easily recognized
@tdjdk You don't even accept micro-evolution,that's sad.Even atheists have said micro-evolution and macro-evolution are two different things and accept both.You also failed to understand my explanation of the fossil record.A fossil discovered proves absolutely nothing,other than the aniamal is dead,so for scientists to say that gathering of fossils in a certain order proves evolution is absurd.Lets not ignore how they use C14 instead of the more accurate C-12 and C-13 to date fossils.
@tdjdk You don't even accept micro-evolution,that's sad.Even atheists have said micro-evolution and macro-evolution are two different things and accept both.You also failed to understand my explanation of the fossil record.A fossil discovered proves absolutely nothing,other than the aniamal is dead,so for scientists to say that gathering of fossils in a certain order proves evolution is absurd.Lets not ignore how they use C14 instead of the more accurate C-12 and C-13 to date fossils.
Exactly my point, religion makes you await the end and the apocalypse and be more than willing to engage in a war in the name of god, thank you Christopher.
There is a new book which reveals secrets about what God and Satan really are, not the bullshit given to the public.
'God Stopping A Nuclear War'
What does it explain?
Why Hitler, German dislike of Jews, why Jews head into banking, media, Hollywood, Wall Street. Why black crime, why Facebook, what a soul is - alive information.
God - left brain group mind - verbal favorng Jews.
Satan - right brain group mind - spatial - Germans.
@mikeymensa What nonsense. A new book with all the answers. How lovely. A man who came into this cosmos the same as any other man has answers to an unproven un natural world and its proposed occupants for which there is no evidence
Put this guy on tv. He has all the answers.
Heres something good to remember if you are serious - no matter how brillant and beautiful and amazing a theory is (and this one really pulls a punch) its not worth jack with no evidence ......... so its not worth jack.
@mikeymensa What nonsense. A new book with all the answers. How lovely. A man who came into this cosmos the same as any other man has answers to an unproven un natural world and its proposed occupants for which there is no evidence
Put this guy on tv. He has all the answers.
Heres something good to remember if you are serious - no matter how brillant and beautiful and amazing a theory is (and this one really pulls a punch) its not worth jack with no evidence ......... so its not worth jack.
0:50 Oh geezus... Hitchens complains about some redundant question, and there the guy "challenges" him about his reasons to fight against religion... doesn't Hitchens pretty much start every lecture with that?
@YevKarim - right you are! Not only that, the story you told (of "Lot") is from the Old Testament. This vile man who offered his own virgin daughters to the villagers for rape, according to the New Testament, was a "righteous man" (2 Pet 2:7)! Cheers...
@LaVraiVerite I mean King Jephthah. He sacrifices his daughter in Judges chapter 11. Yet he's named one of the heroes and man of faith in the book of Hebrews chapter 11: 32.
@YTB1994 "Please pray to him one time." You assume that none of us have ever done that. Your phony concern is so transparent. Your position is one of emotional appeal, talking points, hearsay and propaganda and it is dangerous to society. You seek to validate your own beliefs by resorting to emotional blackmail and it is extremely petty. It sounds like you've created god in your own image. Take some goddam responsibility!!!
@YTB1994 The gospels were written anonymously, in the third person, and the church added the names in later. Mark, the earliest wasn't written until 65 AD. It is all hearsay, and no historians contemporary to Jesus even mention him. Because you have succumbed to emotional blackmail and threats of hell, do not expect us to. Been there, done that. "Freedom of choice"??? Are you fucking kidding? Believe or burn. Some choice.
It's amazing how each religion postulates god is on their side. When The Spanish Armada sailed for England, King Phillip of Spain promised the pope, and his people in spain victory because god was on their side. 150 Ships sailed across towards England only to be crushed by the English Navy and a storm that scattered Phillip's ships north to Scotland and through to Ireland. I guess god forgot poor Phillip. Many examples can be made of this, it only proves god isn't on anyone's side, he never was.
@MrStewart149 They simply don't know how to handle anything remotely resembling reality. I mean imagine what it's like to be brainwashed from your earliest memory onward; to have everyone around you feed into the lie and heap more lies upon the lie; to live in fear of hell and brimstone, etc. and then come upon someone like Hitchens (or any Atheist) who has a whole different thought process about the world. It probably confuses and unnerves them the way religion unnerves us.
Your beliefs inform your actions, and believing something to be true that isn't leads into bad decisions. Your decisions have implications not only to your life, but other people's lives too. Most of the people in the world are religious while having contradicting religious beliefs. Therefor most of the world for sure has false beliefs and make bad decisions solely because of religion. And to make matters even worse, they can't all be right, but they can all be wrong.
I bet the guy asking the question was probably coming from the point of view "My god loves me, he loves everyone, religion is good. How can it be bad? I don't understand why atheists are always attacking my religion. This frustrates me" and then, well... he got his answer and may have been thinking "Uh... well, uh".
Asking a question of Hitchens in terms of quality is like putting your money into a bank account thinking you'll get 1% back, and then looking at your bank statement and getting 50%
Christianity will never win an argument against an atheist simply because every argument a christian makes is based on what's written in the bible, and the bible's text isn't proven to be true and therefore a christian never debates with facts. As long as there's no scientific, logical or natural way to explain god then he doesn't exist. It's as simple that.
@TheAmazingUploader The bible has never been proven wrong and has been shown to tell the truth on all occasions. So yes a true Christian always wins the debate, because we have the truth. There is no room in science for accident.
@warriorprince1010 Have you even read the Bible? It's a horrific book, filled with genocide and rape and misogyny and racism and sexism and that describes all of these this to be good and true. When in fact, this is a collection of stories gathered over thousands of years, written by multiple people who believed in a totalitarian god who, as Hitchens so wonderfully pointed out, wishes to perpetuated a fear-laden, sado-masochistic relationship with his followers
@Fromundra The bible reports those terrible events, thats all. Sadly those events happen because the world is ran by the devil and not God. So the evil in the bible is because of atheists who support the devils rule.
Well, this seems to be the proof that you haven't read it, because in the Bible (which you consider to be 100% true), God himself mandates, approves of, and orders genocide and executions.
Not the devil - God. Do you get that?
Even if the devil ran the world, wouldn't that make God either unwilling or unable to stop him, thus making himself just as guilty?
@warriorprince1010 The terrible events? Oh you mean all those genocide, mass killings, rapes and plunderings that were reported to have happened because God expressly ordered them and found them pleasing?
Well, Evolution has never been proven wrong either. The big bang has never been proven to be wrong. But you see, the big bang and evolution has been proven right! That's the difference between science and religion. The bible has never been proven to be true anywhere except for maybe the names of certain cities. Religious people has never proven religion in any way. That's just in your head. Religious people are just simple-minded sheep who choose the easy way...
Ask a question but prepare to get spanked! Notice how he wasnt applauding but 97% of the audience was...He had to play it cool and adjust his seat and water bottle and whisper to his friend. Thanks for playing dude.
It is the Invalid and doltish who need their crutch to stand and not the cogent mind. It is these pathetic, feeble cowards, who cling to false hope and contrived gods to comfort and shield them from their fears imagined or real. Religious folks are the sewers of deceit. They infect the simple minded and gullible, to follow along with them as delusional slaves, for the will of their mythical masters from primitive cultures centuries past. They cry "please master make my wishes come true."
Matthew chapter 24
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Jesus is coming back after the tribulation period
BiGMANJOE32 3 days ago
Dude you are hypocritical. Period. The Europeans invented God so they could prove and disprove him just as ur doing now. How about fight to put the indians on the U.S. Currency like they deserve and how about pointing blame at America who has Gods name on the bill u get ur donations from. Stay in school. - Jason Justice
dynastyseven 5 days ago
The reason we can't leave it alone is because this bullshit has so much influence in the world and is honestly quite dangerous. And personally, I feel like religion won't leave me alone.
evilemperordude 6 days ago 2
if there is no god, why not just leave it alone = my bronze age view of the world is collapsing, leave us alone
spatch8806 1 week ago
the things i would do to have him not get sick and keep enlightening the world... o man..
BEANPOLE111 2 weeks ago 3
Yes , He will be missed
Lacapino 2 weeks ago
Did someone say owned?
TheAnteMatter 3 weeks ago
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My opinion is that the world is a much more complex place than we believe and what we know as the truth not necessary has to be true although it may seem logically. If religion is true or not it can provide some positive progress for the sosiety. Religion is believing in something bigger than your self. Something hidden, and in this way it can help inspiering people to think new, bigger, being creative.
dr4x95 3 weeks ago
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dr4x95 3 weeks ago
The average IQ on Planet Earth has decreased following the departure of Hitchens.
atrumira 3 weeks ago
We cannot make ALL people give up violence but we should at least try not to provide them with excuses for being violent, and religion IS an excuse in many cases just like fascism, communism and other ideologies
melychor 3 weeks ago
Conservatives cling to their “morality” like a gangrenous appendage waiting to be severed.
Conservatives seem to have a fetish for crucifixion and torture.
Methods of punishment have varied in history, but surely; we have become much more humane as a civilization...
evilforalltime 3 weeks ago
Wow, this guy Hitchens is missing a huge point. Eliminating religion doesn't eliminate violence or tyranny any more than eliminating guns would end murders. People managed to find reasons to hate and kill each other long before guns or religion. In short the problem is what it's always been, people.
177SCmaro 3 weeks ago
@177SCmaro This is true.
However, religion has provided an easy reason for people to bring harm upon others for centuries. Your "gun" analogy isn't accurate, because a firearm is simply a tool. Now, if the REASON for people murdering each other is because of illegal drug-running, then the solution is simple: legalize the drugs.
It's the same with religion. Eliminate the irrational and unecessary reason, and you've solved one aspect of the problem.
People will suck either
SeedsOfHatred 3 weeks ago
@SeedsOfHatred The analogy is accurate, you're just taking it out of context. People often make the case that if there were no guns there would be fewer deaths. People also make the case that if there was no religion, there would be fewer deaths. Guns kill, Religion kills. The flaw here is that neither guns nor religion kill, people kill people. If not a gun then some other weapon. If not religion, then some other differing aspect to differing groups of people.
177SCmaro 3 weeks ago
@177SCmaro Again, you're correct. Religion is not the only reason that people slaughter one another.
Historically, however, it has been and continues to be a major catalyst for violence, oppression and hatred. We can't change Human nature, no. But we CAN change the needless reasons for inciting violence.
For instance, we can't stop people from killing each other because of greed. We CAN stop people from killing each other because Allah says it's a holy thing to do.
SeedsOfHatred 3 weeks ago
@SeedsOfHatred You don't seem to understand. Eliminating religion will just mean people will use some other "needless reasons for inciting violence." If not Allah, then people could just as easily contrive some other outrage to justify violence. Human nature is the root of the problem.
177SCmaro 3 weeks ago
@177SCmaro *Sigh* I'm not disagreeing with you.
You know what, nevermind. Just nevermind.
SeedsOfHatred 3 weeks ago
@177SCmaro
Im so agree with you. You can't use religion as a reason for using violence , nor can u blame religion for that people are doing bad actions. Everyone have to stand for what they do and everyone will get what they deserve if it's karma ,prison sentence from the state or a eternity in hell. I believe without religion the consept of athism and humanism would not exist, and humankind would not be were we are today with our knowledge . Thanx to religion humans progress keeps amaze us.
dr4x95 3 weeks ago
@dr4x95 Exactly. People are responsible for their actions. As I said earlier, blaming religion for violence is tantamount to blaming guns for violence. Eliminate guns and people will find some other way to kill each other. Eliminate religion and people (that is those who preach/teach violence) will contrive some other moral justification for killing each other.
It always comes down to people.
177SCmaro 3 weeks ago
@177SCmaro You my good sir, are correct;)
frithjoftollaas 3 weeks ago
@frithjoftollaas I guess, statistically speaking, I was bound to be at least once. lol
177SCmaro 3 weeks ago
@177SCmaro I dare to disagree, sir. Blaming religion for violence is like blaming bloodthirsty leaders, not guns. Yes, it's true that it always comes down to people, their morality and idealogy and it's RELIGION that is to a great extent responsible for what people think. Fascism, communism, christianity, islam etc. are more or less the same - they are ideologies based on no apparent evidence, something that people are MADE to believe. They are all harmful, dangerous and silly.
melychor 3 weeks ago
@melychor lol good comment. You don't have to "dare" to disagree. If you disagree that's fine, more power to you.
Even in your example you're still missing the mark. A "bloodthirsty leader" can stand on a soap box and say whatever hateful thing he wants, it doesn't change that fact that by doing so he isn't actually killing anyone. Again, I would like to point out that PEOPLE, as in individuals, are responsible for THEIR actions.
177SCmaro 3 weeks ago
@177SCmaro Ok, I take your point. I agree that people are responsible for their actions, but unfortunately not all of them realize that. You cannot just leave your own child to his own devices and hope that he will work out for himself what is good and what is wrong. So my question is: What can THE SOCIETY do to make those people behave in a responsible way? The answer is: educate, and education includes making people immune to harmful ideologies, religion being one of them.
melychor 3 weeks ago
@melychor I just saw part 2 of your comment and I fully agree! Why did we have a disagreement in the first place?!!:)
melychor 3 weeks ago
@melychor Correct but whether or not they realize they are responsible for their actions doesn't change the fact that they are still responsible.
About children: that’s were a parent's responsibility come it.
btw, it irritates me when people equate ALL religion as bad or harmful. For example, what's harmful about thou shall not kill? Or the ideas of redemption and forgiveness?
Just saying it's not so cut and dry.
Please see continued...
177SCmaro 3 weeks ago
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Also it's not society’s responsibility to MAKE (a word that implies force btw) people behave responsibly. “Society” is a bit ambiguous since it doesn’t actually exist, people do. Society is just the fact that people interact. It’s the individual’s responsibility, not society, to act responsibly. If "society," meaning everyone, has a responsibility to others, it's to hold others accountable for their actions when they don’t act responsibly.
Again, it comes down to people.
177SCmaro 3 weeks ago
@177SCmaro totally, its like hitler, he is innocent because he only told people to commit genocide. idiot, people are responsible for their actions. but religion is the strongest cancer known to man. ex in 2011 people still actually believe the bible is real. nuff said
unholychunk 2 weeks ago
@unholychunk That's not what I meant. I just meant that religion, or any philosophy or ideology, shouldn't be getting all the blame as it's people that actually do the wrong. And if you eliminate the religion/philosophy/ideology in question people will just come up with some other reason to kill.
Also, Hitler, a person, was in no way innocent and if there is a Hell he deserves the hottest corner and all those who committed crimes in his name can share in it.
177SCmaro 2 weeks ago
@177SCmaro no shit, were animals who btw would be a lot more evolved by now if religion was not around
unholychunk 2 weeks ago
@unholychunk sigh...yeah okay, that's right. Religion is responsible for the state of mankind's evolution. And religion is the cause of all problems everywhere in all time. Got it.
Sounds like the kind of thing that might give Richard Dawkins a mini-orgasm just thinking about it. Maybe you should talk to him about it, might make his day?
177SCmaro 2 weeks ago
@177SCmaro was able to come up with that all by myself, before i even heard of richard dawkins, imagine that. also saying would be better evolved is not the same as saying religion is the cause of all problems everywhere in all time. lol you believers, your intellect shines as a beacon for all
unholychunk 2 weeks ago
@unholychunk I didn't say "better evolved" and "religion is the cause of all problems" were the same. It's called sarcasm. You know, repeating what you said then adding an exaggeration for comedic effect? By missing the obvious you're not exactly wowing me with your intellect either, bud.
And didn't I say anything about you coping Dawkins. I said Dawkins would probably get off on that kind of anti-religious crap.
Also never said I was a "believer."
Did you even read my comment?
177SCmaro 2 weeks ago
@177SCmaro you realize sarcasm is sometimes not understandable in text format?
EvilNecrophase 2 weeks ago
@EvilNecrophase Even when it's blazingly obvious? Read the comment of mine that starts with a sigh (or better yet all of them between me and the other guy) and tell me it doesn't drip sarcasm.
177SCmaro 2 weeks ago
@177SCmaro Its funny how religions tend to say the same thing about people being to blame- we are, after all, unworthy and sinful wretches who wouldn't know goodness if not for God's permission.
pissjugseverywhere 2 weeks ago
@pissjugseverywhere lol okay dude, make sweeping generalizations if you want. I'm not even going to try to defend religion against that sort of mischaracterization. If I did take the time to do that I'd probably have to quit my job as I'd have time for nothing else.
177SCmaro 2 weeks ago
@177SCmaro (Part 2) way - this is true. But if yo've eliminated religion, you've eliminated a major excuse for malice.
As someone once said: "With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things; that takes religion."
SeedsOfHatred 3 weeks ago
Brilliant man!
Religion is evil.
robonez 1 month ago
Evil is as evil does. I don't believe in God but atheism is still an "ism" and could become the new religion if people become too swept up in it. Those who advocate violence against religion haven't listened to a word this man said.
breton1 1 month ago
@breton1 Where are these atheists threatening the religious with violence?
Atheism can't become a religion because it is simply a disbelief in God. You are defending the wrong people.
RuinSonic 1 month ago
@RuinSonic
you havent read through the other comments on this page. look for what UnchainYourMind2 has to say.
breton1 1 month ago
@breton1 Wow, one person hints at violence. It's gotta be a crusade coming soon. You are funny. Do you realize how many you tubers there are who make death threats in the name of their god? It wouldn't be too sad of a day if the criminals of religion were killed, yet I don't want it to happen since it will only bring about worse for our species if we succumb to medieval ways of solving problems.
RuinSonic 1 month ago
he will rest in peace, as there is no god, and no retribution, and nothing but nothingness
wizardoflawz 1 month ago
RIP, but not in heaven.
esmielawrence 1 month ago
You will be missed, Christopher Hitchens.
danieljliversLXXXIX 1 month ago 22
Ditto. It is a theory. Survival of the fittest did not originate with Darwin. It is foolish to be so emotional over theories, and it impedes sound, careful study, as well.
PoolsOfPearls 1 month ago
I love the smirk on the moderator's face when the man in the front asks that question. He (and everyone who knew about Hitchens) knew exactly what was coming.
ippyforeward 1 month ago
It's interesting how even as an enlightened atheist he still manages to be anti-Semitic. Somehow everyone is entitled to their ancestral land except the Jews.
fezrockson 1 month ago
@fezrockson Hitchens is Jewish on his mom's side
BradDanyluk 1 month ago
@BradDanyluk That makes him Jewish according to Jewish law but it doesn't mean his ideas have merit and it doesn't mean he understands the first thing about what's really going on in Israel. Sadly, there are many Jews participating in the liberal campaign to make the Jewish homeland Judenrein, but that doesn't make it right.
fezrockson 1 month ago
religion thinks the world is coming to a end then helps it killing everybody over different imaginary friends.
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@AdamRS614 Wow that is the most ridiculous thing I've heard, yet sadly true. Religion is and always has been a way for evil people to mascaraed as good.
RuinSonic 1 month ago
Thank YOU, Mr Hitchens!
senhuan 1 month ago
There is nothing to respond to. If a man can go around the country preaching, there is no God, then why is he preaching? I see a foolish man, who screams at the top of his lungs against a God he believes doesn't exist, how dumb is that. I have a difficult time believeing that he is a athiest. No true athiest would go around preaching about something that he believe's is not there. Does he do this for offerings or thithes from his followers? How foolish can a liar get?
wisdomthruknowledge 2 months ago
@wisdomthruknowledge so you're telling me that if most people on the planet believed that magical snot monsters created the universe and were trying to teach your children this in school, and making legislation based on this belief in magical snot monsters, that you would just sit back and not say anything about it? well sir, that sure makes you sound like a fucking immoral idiot. If something is ravaging society, intelligent and moral people do something about it.
hempartist420 2 months ago 9
I agree with Hitchens, but I think we should step up the battle and go after the church leaders. If it requires violence to get rid of them then so be it. I know that getting rid of religion would probably not solve all of the worlds problems but it sure would be a step in the right direction. The whole notion of respecting everyone's beliefs is preposterous. When I believe proves to be vile we should work to cut if off.
UnchainYourMind2 2 months ago
@UnchainYourMind2
Bad means lead to bad ends. If you cannot make your point and defend your ideas without violence, you are no better than the religious slef-righteous zealots who take (divine) justice in their hands. Think more and act wisely. That is the essence of what Atheism is.
Memoiana 2 months ago
@Memoiana Thanks for the advice but sorry I disagree. Sometimes politeness and tolerance fail and that is when one must step in and take aggressive action.
UnchainYourMind2 2 months ago
@UnchainYourMind2 what do you mean by "aggressive" action? It is in the militant sense that Richard dawkins advocates for? Or does it involve violence? In that case you might want to watch how a non-violent legal action lead to victory against creationnism . type in youtube: Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial 1of12.
Violence is the weapon religion has always used. What sense does it make to defend reason, using the same weapon? Warring for peace is like raping for abstinence. ;-)
Memoiana 2 months ago
@UnchainYourMind2 Violence is not the answer...in fact it should be considered a thing of the past.
Hirnlego999 1 month ago
@UnchainYourMind2 You presume that your standard of what is evil should be the correct one. You're no better than the ones you claim to be against. I'll not be subscribing to what this man or any other man wants to decide for me what to believe.
gmee123 1 month ago
I LOVE THIS MAN FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
timewilltell7 2 months ago
@timewilltell7 me as well, H,H,and D. Hitch, Harris, and Dawkins.
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lightandbeautiful 3 months ago
You said "...Just because we don't know the problem exists, doesn't mean it isn't there. Without science, we wouldn't have fixed anything if we just prayed. Science has given us everything, "God" has given nothing."
Science absolutely didnt give us everything... to say it did would contradict evolutionary theory. According to the theory, evolution allowed us scientific knowledge, not the other way around.... As Dennett said, "evolution is more clever than you are."
tubebooboob 3 months ago
@tubebooboob I have a lot to talk to evolution about. Why evolve traits and needs that are detrimental to the organism called human? Why such soft skins and the need to bathe? Other creatures have better defenses, sharks and alligators/crocs haven't changed for long periods of time, so must be the best forms. They didn't evolve the ability to be miserable, argue, or hold grudges. And this guy shouldn't speak for those he is opposing, bad debate, period.
PoolsOfPearls 2 months ago
@PoolsOfPearls way to show everyone your misunderstanding of evolution.
hempartist420 2 months ago
@crikkyy I was invited to attend an atheist group for weekly gathering... It felt a bit like I was being invited to attend a church... I think that is ironic.
tubebooboob 3 months ago
Brainy quote seems to have a typo in its quote of Mr. Plank...
tubebooboob 3 months ago
full quote:
Anybody who has been seriously engaged is scientific work of any kind realizes that over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words: 'Ye must have faith.'
Max Planck
tubebooboob 3 months ago
@CRaschNet Seems somewhat reasonable but appearances can be deceiving. What you said regarding religion and atheism is based on ambiguous words. For example, the word "God" or "god" can have different meanings. Thats just one example; your definitions of religion seem to resemble a straw man argument. Anyway, while you raise an interesting point, you are missing some other points. Religions are cultural. Religion is part of culture, see anthropology. People should label and discriminate less.
tubebooboob 3 months ago
@tubebooboob Culture is a way of life. Standard of living. That's not what religion is?..
RockAustinDXtakerRk0 2 months ago
@CRaschNet But thats wrong, I have experienced gravity. It doesnt require science to experience gravity. Nevertheless, I am aware of the Newtonian physics and gravity and such. Nevertheless, correct me if I am wrong, but there's no fully accepted theory of gravitation yet.
tubebooboob 3 months ago
@crikkyy faith/fāTH/Noun: 1.Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
2.Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
Synonyms: belief - trust - confidence - credence - credit
Who is this "we" you refer to? If scientists tell you something is true, that doesnt count as proof. A number of "scientific" studies that are biased by political agendas. If you didn't do the research than your proof seems more like faith.
tubebooboob 3 months ago
whats more, even believing scientific evidence is usually an act of faith. Until you yourself have personally experienced it instead of just hearing or reading about it, how can you really say it even exists? I personally havent found any dinosaur bones. Have I seen the Big Bang, no, neither have you. did you do the quantum mechanical mathematics yourself, probably not, even if you did, who knows if you did it right or not. Physicist Max Plank said about scientists "...Ye must have faith"
tubebooboob 3 months ago
@tubebooboob Definition of faith is believing in something you don't have proof of. We have proof of Dinosaurs, the big bang, quantum theories etc.
crikkyy 3 months ago
@tubebooboob
Science is not faith. It is the total opposite. We can't see gravity but we can measure its affect. I guess you don't accept gravity since you have not personally observed it.
CRaschNet 3 months ago
Another thing, atheism and religion arent mutually exlusive but there are some religions which are commonly refered to as nontheistic, for example on the wikipedia page on atheims it says "Because of its absence of a creator god, Buddhism is commonly described as nontheistic." and even claims "Hinduism holds atheism to be valid, but difficult to follow spiritually.[16]" etc....
tubebooboob 3 months ago
@tubebooboob
A religion would fit most if not all the following:
-Belief in supernatural beings (gods).
-A distinction between sacred and profane objects.
-Ritual acts focused on sacred objects.
-A moral code believed to be sanctioned by the gods.
-Characteristically religious feelings (awe, sense of mystery, sense of guilt, adoration), which tend to be aroused in the presence of sacred objects and during the practice of ritual, and which are connected in idea with the gods.
CRaschNet 3 months ago
-Prayer and other forms of communication with the supernatural
-A world view, or a general picture of the world as a whole and the place of the individual therein. This picture contains some specification of an over-all purpose or point of the world and an indication of how the individual fits into it.
-A more or less total organization of one’s life based on the world view.
-A social group bound together by the above.
Which Buddhism and Hinduism mostly fit. Atheism doesn't fit almost any.
CRaschNet 3 months ago
@markbyrne82 You make some good points; I think your first one is questionable because even if science can, which I think it probably can, it doesn't seem to be doing it. I hope you are right about what your saying, I think you are basically on the right track IMHO. I wish to see more effort from science or more accurately the scientific establishment and the social sciences are more successful at identifying and promoting a sense of universal ethics/righteousness/etc... & avoidin ethnocentrism
tubebooboob 3 months ago
@CyeOutsider The Nazi party used science to create gas chambers etc. What about the political "science" that made that?
Science is kind of like a brick,
you can use it to smash babies and their mom's face and steal her purse (evil)
OR
you can build a school to educate/nurture kids (good).
Religion, I hope, prevents the evil. There have been many conflicts over "religion," I think false-religions cause that. Whereas, True Religion(s) start with inner peace, compassion and righteousness.
tubebooboob 3 months ago
@CyeOutsider Consider: Science has facilitated many solutions yet it created or worsened problems too. The point is to better prevent the problems it has tended to create/exacerbate. If it werent for "science" the world wouldnt worry about holes in the ozone layer, nuclear anihilation, pollutions/industrial waste, and environments rife with xenoestrogens etc. If people were more kind, ethical/moral, and clear on the WHOLE Truth, it'd be better. Else, science is incomplete/partial/"half" truth...
tubebooboob 3 months ago
@tubebooboob Just because we don't know the problem exists, doesn't mean it isn't there. Without science, we wouldn't have fixed anything if we just prayed. Science has given us everything, "God" has given nothing.
crikkyy 3 months ago
just ask them if they believe in dinosaurs....
we know dinosaurs existed, and we know they existed millions of years ago,
yet that little collection of books that christians love claims the world is only 6000 years old and has no mention of dinosaurs.
they have to choose, dinosaurs or their faith,
facts or fairytales.
DemoraX 3 months ago
Why fight religion?
Because it is evil.
ImMichaelTaylor 3 months ago
@ImMichaelTaylor religion isnt evil, its simply stupidity. followed by more stupidity.
EvilNecrophase 2 weeks ago
"is there anyone that would like to challenge me".
This is why Atheism is better than any religion, in a nutshell.
Internetaddict666 3 months ago 37
@tubebooboob The idea that science can't deal with questions of morality and values is clearly an illusion. Questions of morality are ultimately questions concerning the well being of conscious creatures. For example, why are we more concerned about the well being of our fellow primates than we are about insects? Because science tells us there is a connection between biological complexity and degree of suffering that an organism can experience. Watch Sam Harris' video on Science and values.
markbyrne82 3 months ago
"Science investigates; religion interprets. Science gives man knowledge, which is power; religion gives man wisdom, which is control. Science deals mainly with facts; religion deals mainly with values. The two are not rivals. They are complementary. Science keeps religion from sinking into the valley of crippling irrationalism and paralyzing obscurantism. Religion prevents science from falling into the marsh of obsolete materialism and moral nihilism."
tubebooboob 3 months ago
@tubebooboob - science needs religion like a fish needs a bicycle.
CyeOutsider 3 months ago
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Since Dawkins, Hitchens & their Marxist minions want to destroy religion altogether, will the next step will be to destroy all the believers as well? Will Christians, Jews, Moslems & Hindus be rounded up like we were in Russia, China & many other countries too? Censorship led to genocide in those cases.
ZEDSTODT 3 months ago
For nearly 75 years atheism/evolution was taught in the former USSR. They were a superpower&determined to spread atheism worldwide. I myself studied the USSR nearly 30 years during the cold war era.Within months of the fall of theUSSR in 92, the Bible was reintroduced in Russian schools&has been part of Russian schools nearly 20 years. Olga Lutsenko was a main one behind this&she tells her story on youtube. The Bible was a banned book&parents could'nt teach it to kids.I support Olga financially.
RonSafreed 3 months ago
@RonSafreed
Just goes to show that you have to win some and lose some. Get rid of a totalitarian government and all of the sudden the floodgates of religion pour back into an area.
Honestly, I'm so sick of hearing people yack on about how atheism is evil or atheism is this or that. Honestly, atheism isn't really a thing. Religion is a thing, atheism is a lack of religion.
hellomate639 3 months ago
he questioner's ass must be on fire 8-)
lewisner 4 months ago 2
@ninjajesus81 no, atheist do not believe in the christian god, the one who admits to the existence of other gods and then commands you to only wworship him because he is a jealous god
rasheedzee 4 months ago
a "unicornist", who believed that unicorns do exist, would have the burden of proving/rationalizing why he/she believes in unicorns - it's not the "aunicornists" job to disprove this.
motion1d 4 months ago
Ultimate Wickedness! It's time for it to end!
PrintedTruth 4 months ago
Cool. Story. Bro. That's all that needs to be said. Ever.
dontforgetme1651435 4 months ago
Religion is the root of all evil right next to greed. All wars are either fought over greed or religion or both its true. Some greedy people use religion as an excuse and to gain power. Control and religion are interchangeable words. The fake promises of after life diminish this life. Religion makes people hate other people and do horrible acts. Nothing else compares.
baxtar1963 4 months ago 17
@baxtar1963 cool story.
triplestep1829 2 months ago
@baxtar1963 You make many good points about how religion has often been misused, but if you think that that's all that religion is then you are sorely mistaken. Furthermore, people hate other people and do horrible acts for many reasons, there is nothing extraordinary about religion in this respect beyond its ability to unify people behind a cause. Learn a little bit about religion and what good it does for many people before you decide to attack it.
fezrockson 1 month ago
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@baxtar1963 Without doubt, one of the factors in the emergence of anti-religious ideas and a phalanx of deniers of God, has been the false teachings, the inadequacies and the intellectual perversions of the followers of some religions. The peculiarities and separate characteristics of each religion must, therefore, be individually examined when studying the reasons that have led men to adhere to that religion.
1tabligh 1 month ago
@baxtar1963 Western intellectuals were aware only of the superstitious aspect of false religion and how the established dogmas of religion lacked all logical basis, so they had no hesitation in condemning religion as such to be baseless. Their judgment was based on their discouraging experiences with their own religion, and it could not fail, then, to be hasty, unrealistic, irrational and illogical.
1tabligh 1 month ago
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@baxtar1963 This is one of the most narrow minded view points I've ever read. There are a vibrant fabric of religions all across the world and all throughout time. Religions, of all kinds, are weaved into what it means to be human. In that case, humanity is the root of all evil. Idiot.
RyanMauriceAnderson 1 month ago
@baxtar1963 Oh so Christianity isn't Christian enough? Do you really think that justice, equality, surrender, pity and "goodness" make any sense without a God? What did the great martyr hero actually achieve without his defiant resurrection? Is there anything to be valued in a pathetic enervated half dead man on a cross if there is no eternal spirit that makes him victorious? All your values are simply a hatred of strength and giving in to weakness... Enjoy your crucifixion
deadshepherd666 1 month ago
I hate the arroagance of atheists,they always claim there is no God.Are they in for a suprise.What fools!
BlueShark20201 4 months ago
@BlueShark20201 My gut tells me you're a troll, but I'll bite.
In what way are WE the fools? We follow and trust the scientific method, whereas (most) theists base their entire lives around ancient texts with ZERO evidence to prove their claims.
I wonder, what are your thoughts on evolution by natural selection?
xcoibyx 4 months ago
@xcoibyx Lets start with the Big Bang,a theory that suggets an explosion from a singularity of energy created the universe and is still expanding to this day.This is a myth,physicists (atheists) have not produced any evidence that a singularity of energy could have caused the Big Bang for the one reason that they cannot prove what it came from.If they cannot prove what this singularity of energy came from,then this theory (myth) is not valid.Agree?So they are still stuck guessing of how it came.
BlueShark20201 4 months ago
@BlueShark20201
Keep flaunting your lack of knowledge.
The Big Bang theory says nothing about an explosion, only an expansion. It didn't create the universe it IS the universe. Red shift proves the expansion is still continuing (amongst MANY others, but let's just stick to Hubble's findings in this reply). No scientific theory claims to know where this singularity comes from, there are hypothesis, but no theories. And yes, we admit to that. You try to put words in to the mouth of science
tdjdk 4 months ago
@xcoibyx Christians accept micro-evolution which is not that a species,(kind of animal),cannot change into another species.This is where atheistic evolution goes into macro-evolution.The teaching that a species can change into another species given enough time.This is absurd and again cannot be proven.The Fossil record is not credible,for the reason that fossils tell almost nothing.All a fossil will show is that an animals died,agree?
BlueShark20201 4 months ago
@BlueShark20201
They shouldn't accept micro-evolution - There is no micro- and macro-evolution, there is only evolution. It was invented by religious fanatics, with zero supporting evidence, wherefore science does not take it seriously. And no, you compare ONE fossil with the entire fossil-record in order to claim it teaches nothing. That's a blatent lie. Breaching the ninth commandment for jeebus, are we? Go away troll, you are SO easily recognized
tdjdk 4 months ago
@tdjdk You don't even accept micro-evolution,that's sad.Even atheists have said micro-evolution and macro-evolution are two different things and accept both.You also failed to understand my explanation of the fossil record.A fossil discovered proves absolutely nothing,other than the aniamal is dead,so for scientists to say that gathering of fossils in a certain order proves evolution is absurd.Lets not ignore how they use C14 instead of the more accurate C-12 and C-13 to date fossils.
BlueShark20201 4 months ago
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@tdjdk You don't even accept micro-evolution,that's sad.Even atheists have said micro-evolution and macro-evolution are two different things and accept both.You also failed to understand my explanation of the fossil record.A fossil discovered proves absolutely nothing,other than the aniamal is dead,so for scientists to say that gathering of fossils in a certain order proves evolution is absurd.Lets not ignore how they use C14 instead of the more accurate C-12 and C-13 to date fossils.
BlueShark20201 4 months ago
@xcoibyx Don't know much about natural selection,I haven't done much research on that.
BlueShark20201 4 months ago
Exactly my point, religion makes you await the end and the apocalypse and be more than willing to engage in a war in the name of god, thank you Christopher.
faraonoko 4 months ago
Wow, I didn't know Hitchens was logically stupid.
There is a new book which reveals secrets about what God and Satan really are, not the bullshit given to the public.
'God Stopping A Nuclear War'
What does it explain?
Why Hitler, German dislike of Jews, why Jews head into banking, media, Hollywood, Wall Street. Why black crime, why Facebook, what a soul is - alive information.
God - left brain group mind - verbal favorng Jews.
Satan - right brain group mind - spatial - Germans.
mikeymensa 4 months ago
@mikeymensa What nonsense. A new book with all the answers. How lovely. A man who came into this cosmos the same as any other man has answers to an unproven un natural world and its proposed occupants for which there is no evidence
Put this guy on tv. He has all the answers.
Heres something good to remember if you are serious - no matter how brillant and beautiful and amazing a theory is (and this one really pulls a punch) its not worth jack with no evidence ......... so its not worth jack.
mariaanufrieva 4 months ago
@mikeymensa What nonsense. A new book with all the answers. How lovely. A man who came into this cosmos the same as any other man has answers to an unproven un natural world and its proposed occupants for which there is no evidence
Put this guy on tv. He has all the answers.
Heres something good to remember if you are serious - no matter how brillant and beautiful and amazing a theory is (and this one really pulls a punch) its not worth jack with no evidence ......... so its not worth jack.
mariaanufrieva 4 months ago
0:50 Oh geezus... Hitchens complains about some redundant question, and there the guy "challenges" him about his reasons to fight against religion... doesn't Hitchens pretty much start every lecture with that?
twooffour 4 months ago
@2:25
Angry theist is angry.
austinwood86 4 months ago
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austinwood86 4 months ago
@YevKarim - right you are! Not only that, the story you told (of "Lot") is from the Old Testament. This vile man who offered his own virgin daughters to the villagers for rape, according to the New Testament, was a "righteous man" (2 Pet 2:7)! Cheers...
LaVraiVerite 4 months ago 10
@LaVraiVerite Japheth who sacrifices his daughter to god was also righteous.
petion2010 3 months ago
@petion2010 - Thanks for the heads-up on Japheth. Genesis, I suppose; do you know which chapter/verse? Thanks again...
LaVraiVerite 3 months ago
@LaVraiVerite I mean King Jephthah. He sacrifices his daughter in Judges chapter 11. Yet he's named one of the heroes and man of faith in the book of Hebrews chapter 11: 32.
petion2010 3 months ago
@LaVraiVerite got something to add, his daughters were not virgins, he said they were virgins to make them more appealing to the crowd of villagers
TheShaitanjr 3 months ago
I wander if the guy in the audience expected that kind of a reply for his question? :)
geposefo 4 months ago
what a brilliant response. it would have been less painful for that guy if Hitchens had fucked him in the ass
boscoblack 5 months ago
Christopher Hitchens for President, 2012
FreelancerZENA 5 months ago
a brilliant man
littlepro22 5 months ago
@YTB1994 "Please pray to him one time." You assume that none of us have ever done that. Your phony concern is so transparent. Your position is one of emotional appeal, talking points, hearsay and propaganda and it is dangerous to society. You seek to validate your own beliefs by resorting to emotional blackmail and it is extremely petty. It sounds like you've created god in your own image. Take some goddam responsibility!!!
richwfd2002 5 months ago
@YTB1994 The gospels were written anonymously, in the third person, and the church added the names in later. Mark, the earliest wasn't written until 65 AD. It is all hearsay, and no historians contemporary to Jesus even mention him. Because you have succumbed to emotional blackmail and threats of hell, do not expect us to. Been there, done that. "Freedom of choice"??? Are you fucking kidding? Believe or burn. Some choice.
richwfd2002 5 months ago
It's amazing how each religion postulates god is on their side. When The Spanish Armada sailed for England, King Phillip of Spain promised the pope, and his people in spain victory because god was on their side. 150 Ships sailed across towards England only to be crushed by the English Navy and a storm that scattered Phillip's ships north to Scotland and through to Ireland. I guess god forgot poor Phillip. Many examples can be made of this, it only proves god isn't on anyone's side, he never was.
PlntPeace 5 months ago
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"ill not respond to this massive hitchslap ive just received, but ill not clap either"
what a little bitch.
volound 5 months ago
This debate quickly turned into "The Hitchens Show"
lightitupfool 5 months ago
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Religion just got owned... again.
crazyhiho 5 months ago
he is breathtakingly well spoken, and intelligent.
tmaduri 5 months ago
Hitchens is a beautiful person.
mapmanic 5 months ago
you can always tell who are the christians in the audience ' they are the ones looking depressed and not clapping ... lol
MrStewart149 5 months ago
@MrStewart149 They simply don't know how to handle anything remotely resembling reality. I mean imagine what it's like to be brainwashed from your earliest memory onward; to have everyone around you feed into the lie and heap more lies upon the lie; to live in fear of hell and brimstone, etc. and then come upon someone like Hitchens (or any Atheist) who has a whole different thought process about the world. It probably confuses and unnerves them the way religion unnerves us.
GrissomLovesSara 5 months ago
I'm really really reaaaaaaaaaaaallly glad Hitchens is on our side. He's so brilliant he'd be frakkin' dangerous if he were a religious fanatic
GrissomLovesSara 5 months ago
@GrissomLovesSara They have Michele Bachmann on their side...she's almost as good as Hitch.
fukinblowme 5 months ago
@GrissomLovesSara
Absolutely, alcoholics are so unpredictable..
DastardlyDawkins 5 months ago
Your beliefs inform your actions, and believing something to be true that isn't leads into bad decisions. Your decisions have implications not only to your life, but other people's lives too. Most of the people in the world are religious while having contradicting religious beliefs. Therefor most of the world for sure has false beliefs and make bad decisions solely because of religion. And to make matters even worse, they can't all be right, but they can all be wrong.
Mornys 5 months ago
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Mornys 5 months ago
I bet the guy asking the question was probably coming from the point of view "My god loves me, he loves everyone, religion is good. How can it be bad? I don't understand why atheists are always attacking my religion. This frustrates me" and then, well... he got his answer and may have been thinking "Uh... well, uh".
Asking a question of Hitchens in terms of quality is like putting your money into a bank account thinking you'll get 1% back, and then looking at your bank statement and getting 50%
berner 5 months ago
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This video should have been titled "How To Put Someone In Their Place", becuase that is exactly what Hitchens did to that silly little man.
boscoblack 5 months ago
Christianity will never win an argument against an atheist simply because every argument a christian makes is based on what's written in the bible, and the bible's text isn't proven to be true and therefore a christian never debates with facts. As long as there's no scientific, logical or natural way to explain god then he doesn't exist. It's as simple that.
TheAmazingUploader 5 months ago 31
@TheAmazingUploader The bible has never been proven wrong and has been shown to tell the truth on all occasions. So yes a true Christian always wins the debate, because we have the truth. There is no room in science for accident.
warriorprince1010 4 months ago
@warriorprince1010 Have you even read the Bible? It's a horrific book, filled with genocide and rape and misogyny and racism and sexism and that describes all of these this to be good and true. When in fact, this is a collection of stories gathered over thousands of years, written by multiple people who believed in a totalitarian god who, as Hitchens so wonderfully pointed out, wishes to perpetuated a fear-laden, sado-masochistic relationship with his followers
Fromundra 4 months ago
@Fromundra The bible reports those terrible events, thats all. Sadly those events happen because the world is ran by the devil and not God. So the evil in the bible is because of atheists who support the devils rule.
warriorprince1010 4 months ago
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Well, this seems to be the proof that you haven't read it, because in the Bible (which you consider to be 100% true), God himself mandates, approves of, and orders genocide and executions.
Not the devil - God. Do you get that?
Even if the devil ran the world, wouldn't that make God either unwilling or unable to stop him, thus making himself just as guilty?
twooffour 4 months ago
@warriorprince1010 The terrible events? Oh you mean all those genocide, mass killings, rapes and plunderings that were reported to have happened because God expressly ordered them and found them pleasing?
TomFynn 4 months ago
Well, Evolution has never been proven wrong either. The big bang has never been proven to be wrong. But you see, the big bang and evolution has been proven right! That's the difference between science and religion. The bible has never been proven to be true anywhere except for maybe the names of certain cities. Religious people has never proven religion in any way. That's just in your head. Religious people are just simple-minded sheep who choose the easy way...
TheAmazingUploader 4 months ago
@TheAmazingUploader I grew up a christian but now most of the bible just gross me out.
petion2010 3 months ago 2
Ask a question but prepare to get spanked! Notice how he wasnt applauding but 97% of the audience was...He had to play it cool and adjust his seat and water bottle and whisper to his friend. Thanks for playing dude.
pele6922 5 months ago
great words
TZMrazvitie 5 months ago
It is the Invalid and doltish who need their crutch to stand and not the cogent mind. It is these pathetic, feeble cowards, who cling to false hope and contrived gods to comfort and shield them from their fears imagined or real. Religious folks are the sewers of deceit. They infect the simple minded and gullible, to follow along with them as delusional slaves, for the will of their mythical masters from primitive cultures centuries past. They cry "please master make my wishes come true."
scotttebben 5 months ago
its hilarious to watch him talk into that little microphone lmao looks like he'll crush it if his fingers get to tense
scar504 5 months ago
hitchens is wrong physics is right , theoreticalphysics.webs.com
paginipro 6 months ago
@paginipro wrong about what ?
Redshift21 5 months ago
@Redshift21 wrong about god , theoreticalphysics.webs.com
paginipro 5 months ago
@paginipro I remain unmoved, all I saw was a bunch of quote mining of texts by physicists that mention god, that's not proof.
Redshift21 5 months ago
@Redshift21 the proof is in the infinite universe
paginipro 5 months ago
@paginipro Vague airy fairy answers just make you sound like a kook, if you believe you have a proof of the supernatural then out with it or move on.