Can you just please pm me and send me ALLLL the links, like copy and paste, your siting please, my friend is like drugged with the illuminati conspiracy and I cant get it out of his fucking head!!!!!
@MKidYup i don't think it can be helped. in one of the previous videos somebody compared one that believes this shit to be on the same wavelength as a religious fanatic. you can't convince them otherwise no matter how much evidence you bring forth. they are married to the ideology of the illuminati and other conspiracy theories.
The evidence to support secret societies is abundant and provable. The Illuminati infiltrates other secret societies. That would make the Illuminati a generic term at this point historically. The Bavarian Illuminati existed quite openly and predates Weishaupt. You attempted to "debunk" a generic term. Very well done.
@Vegetabledishes I do not try to disprove the existence of so-called secret societies, what I try to show is their historicity and their modus operandi.
Why should an organization that tries to infiltrate (influence that is) others become a generic term? You have to back that notion up, since many organizations do this and not ending up being the generalized evil. The Illuminati were neither the first nor the last to do so.
I look for reasons why not to believe the illuminati conspiraciys as it is all very depressing - yet again and again and again something predicted in the next stage of their plan comes to the fore: the gold price - the pope and the un calling for a new world financial order - you guys should wake upo smell the coffe!
I seen two more today - the pope calla for a world governement and chine and russia expousing a new world currency and the un actually recomending it!! wake up smell the coffe!
Very interesting. My conclusion is that the only reason anybody today has even heard of the Iluminati is because it was a "banned secret" society. Anything that is banned will become interesting and will foster all sorts of myths.
Why do all the prominent figures in politics finance business education sciences go to these meetings? And why are they secret? Wake up use your mind use common sense dont just be book smart ... rationalize think just dont read and process it in your mind with out questionung what your reading
And you still havent proved anything ...I looked at 3 videos and not one of them says anything about the Bavarian Illuminati ...Just because Weisphauts life was what it was doesn't prove that he could have been involved in some way during the years of 1773 to 1776 in the Bavarian Illuminatti. He couldve been just a puppet ? Or maybe its all bullshit but the fact of the matter is you cant deny that the rich and wealthy have some kind of control...Why do they have the Bilderberg meetings then?
So you believe every conspiracy is wrong ? That all people that believe in a conspiracy are nuts? What about JFK do you think he was assassinated by a lone gunmen ? What about the government lying about vietnam? The gulf of Tonkin incident? Maybe you should be a little more open minded instead of ridiculing calling eveybody a loon it just shows your closed mindedness
Hochdorff, I have a question for you. Would you say that The Da Vinci Code/Angels & Demons, somehow fueled the Illuminati conspiracy theories? Did Dan Brown single handedly troll a bunch of psychopaths into this bullshit?
@blunty6feetunder Difficult to say, because Brown got attacked quite harshly from the Conspiracy Theorists. I guess someone who is vulnerable to this kind of thought might get the last kick through the books/movies, but then again they are just nicely written and produced stories. I did not read the books, but I actually enjoyed the movies.
The order of perfectibilists{ was a rationalist order he set up to undermine the excess power/privelage/etc of the corrupt church/revealed religions and monarchy and other undeserving authorities and their abuses of power and wealth. to spread enlightenment ideals
@Hochdorff - Lol, how am I a troll? You're making an attempt at "debunking" the existence of a higher society that wants you dead and follows demons. You're a clueless man and I wouldn't be surprised if "they" hired you to do this FAIL of a documentary. If you want to be a sheeple and ignore the facts, go ahead; but don't try to override the facts with your deluded sense of whats real and whats false.
@Hochdorff - The facts aren't exclusive; they're available to the public. I mean, I do have some of my own documentaries exposing certain aspects of this truth, but you'll just have to see for yourself..
dude fuck fuck. your an adam weishaupt apologetic not an illuminati debunker. they may not go under the same name but people know theres something going on iIf you cant see theres something going onn behind closed doors i feel sorry for you. real sorry.
@dawildabeast24 Umm only the first part of the videos are about Adam Weishaupt, you obviously had made up your mind before actually watching all the video which just goes to show that it doesn't matter how much information is brought up, you probably didn't even watch this video. Not to mention he is not saying that the Illuminati did not exist, he is pointing out historically that it is not the Conspiracy being spread around today, that people like you continue to spread like disease. Idiot.
I suggest you watch the imaginarium of doctor parnassus, I dont know if you've ever seen the movie. All it has done has changed its face (name), but your probably one of those people who believe everything your told. The new world order is coming whether it goes under the name illuminati, trilateral commision, cfr, g8 summits, committe of 300. idiot wow i havent been called that since 3rd grade. your a cute little sheep haha
@dawildabeast24 If you watch the next video it explains how you show the characteristics of being a conspiracy theorist, and no I believe that your one of those people who believe everything your told, let me ask you. Do you believe in "God" ?
@AstrophelTDeath@dawildabeast24 Yeah I believe in God so does my mom and dad, and my brother, and I know Jesus is coming back soon, very soon. the devil is alive and well in the music industry, movies, media, in politics. its right in our faces, its coming down to choosing sides. there is no more grey area anymore. I honestly believe something very bad is coming, but go ahead keep making fun of people, who are searching for truth and believe what you want to believe.
@dawildabeast24 Yeah it would make sense that they do , they taught you about "God" if they had never told you, you would most likely never have believed in "God" why do you think people around the world believe in different "god"s depending on where they are at in the world, if you would have been born in the middle east you would have worshiped Allah. I am searching for the truth, you are not, you are just taking all the answers and filling them with "god" thats not an answer, its a quick
@dawildabeast24 solution. Plus if you actually watched the video which obviously you didn't you would know that the man that created the Illuminati was in fact a Christian. And I understand you belief in God and Jesus coming back, but in the end you have no proof for it what so ever. Your walking into a dark room with no flash light, and instead of coming out of the room to get one, you locked yourself in there and refuse to open the door because your afraid.
@dawildabeast24 Yeah I believe in God so does my mom and dad, and my brother, and I know Jesus is coming back soon, very soon. the devil is alive and well in the music industry, movies, media, in politics. its right in our faces, its coming down to choosing sides. there is no more grey area anymore. I honestly believe something very bad is coming, but go ahead keep making fun of people, who are searching for truth and believe what you want to believe.
@dawildabeast24 Yeah I believe in God so does my mom and dad, and my brother, and I know Jesus is coming back soon, very soon. the devil is alive and well in the music industry, movies, media, in politics. its right in our faces, its coming down to choosing sides. there is no more grey area anymore. I honestly believe something very bad is coming, but go ahead keep making fun of people, who are searching for truth and believe what you want to believe.
Successful logic requires thinking in multi-dimensions, as in chess. Most players of conspiracy theories are right brained, counter establisment, anti-western thinkers who lack the capacity for forming a working proof. This dichotomy is a manifestion of right brain vs left brain thinking. Consequentialy, people who think this way believe in whatever they have been fed without little contemplation for testing it on multiple levels. They can't. Such thinking is a manifestation of the right brain.
@BrokenAeroVT I think you are digging yourself quite a hole there by criticizing all us right brained people. I do not blindly believe what all the conspiracy theorist put out there, I research everything, and according to various tests, I am one of the right brained people you speak of. I believe that thinking for yourself is neither right brained nor left, it's a sign of intelligence. I know plenty of counter establishment people who are left brain dominant as well.
@Xenia0natop When proofs fail, logic or your L brain haven't been used at all. It's all just circumstantial evidence & schizophrenic-like associative thinking stringed together leading to self delusion. You've also made an error in reading comprehension by misusing this type of thinking. You have used association to read into my statement your own errant conclusion. I never criticized R brain thinking--rather its use isolated from L brain logic keeping it in check. You clearly still lack that.
You sack of patriotic shit "ordsall66", do you not think that Heny Kissenger's famed quote was conspiratorial ? "Military men are like animals, to have their lives used as NOTHING more than pawn pieces in the political chess game that is foreign policy." It takes PATHETIC, mind controlled patriotic FOOLS, like you to put on uniforms and do the filthy dirty work of these political tyrants. I would beat you Washington DC cock suckers so hard, you will think I'm Ho Chi Min riding into Saigon !
@EducatedRebellion101 I answer you just here. If you go on and post the same comment on every vid, I will block you for spamming. And please stick to one insult per comment otherwise it gets comical.
1. I am not Ordsall66, but I do think the quote is not conspiratorial.
2. For which tyrants do I do the "filthy work"?
3. I got through my studies without loans.
4. What is the actual argument your are trying to make, besides all the rubbish you wrote?
@Hochdorff I'm incredibly grateful that you made these videos, and took the time to do this research. Thank you very much, I always knew this Illuminati conspiracy thing was a fake when I first heard it, but now I have more reasoning to back it up. I just want you to know that your hard work had a purpose for someone. Thank you. Peace.
While you're at it, make a video that explains the purpose AND benefit to all outsiders of this organization. Then make us some videos telling us how the theory of evolution is a proven fact and reference the rants of richard dawkins.
Do you even know what evolution is? Yes you know who it comes from. But do you know what it is?
It a detailing factor explaining how populations have changed over time.
I mean come on man, even if you are a creationist and believe Adam and Eve or Noah and his sons. You would still have to believe in evolution to explain how everyone looks so different.
So where is all this factual evidence proving this theory as fact?
I can't wait for the news headlines tomorrow!
The theory of evolution will now be known as the FACT of evolution!
I'm so excited!
This is going to change the world!
You are so smart!
So tell me, how did you take this theory and prove it to be an undeniable fact in the world of science which will now be taught as a fact in schools all over the world, rather than as a theory.
By the way, a theory is something that has been tested and proven. What you are thinking about is called a hypothesis. A hypothesis is an idea or thought that sounds applicable, but has yet been tested or cannot be tested as yet due to our lack of technology or ability to test it.
Dictionaries frighten me? At least I can use an actual dictionary rather than an English to Retardese translator.
Not all dictionaries are the same and their entries aren't often written by actual people who use science. Theory as it taught in Old Dominion University is as I had said it was. You can pick up any dictionary and just because it is a dictionary doesn't mean its entries are right. As an example, Oxford Dictionary which is the most credible dictionary has false entries.
Often it is linguists and journalists that have made complaints to dictionary conglomerates that their entries are wrong. But you see a dictionary is a commodity, in other words it is a product. It is sold to make profit, not to issue correct information. So when they make these dictionaries they don't always use correct definitions nor do they often use spell check as my Webster Dictionary is full of syntax and spelling errors.
The only people it's a "myth" for is those BENEFITING from the organizations work. This number isn't exactly small because it incorporates the subservient religious populations of the world from the PTA mom's to the stupid children they raise that explore living a life of corruption once they're in college all the way up to the billionaire heirs/heiresses that will never work a day in their life and believe they're entitled to power and fame.
@JonDeth The only struggle for that matter that goes on is you vs. your sanity. The other is a restless, ongoing process in which every human on this earth takes part and it is named: capitalism.
But people like you fail to understand what that means. Therefor you have to believe in bullshit-pseudo-explanations.
@Hochdorff paper money in itself is the foundation of the scam and the fact that you can't see that and that my native American ancestors were slaughtered for rejecting it proves what a complete RETARD, and I'm not name calling I'm labeling, YOU ARE.
Money allows someone to build up the concept of financial wealth and it can be done without lifting a finger. The rest of the world live on trade and was quite happy and peaceful with that until RETARDS like yourself came along.
@Hochdorff pure nonsense, money is a complete lie. It's representative of nothing unless we consent. If I trade you a piece of furniture for a bundle of rope, there is no need for either party to consent to the value of the goods. They have physical, real world value.
Paper money and computer credit on the other hand are purely fiction. They require the consent of the users to hold value. They also allow for people to legally enslave others while reeking reward for doing little to nothing.
@JonDeth Oh boy, you are rather clueless. Money makes different types of objects compareble. You can not compare three cows and a pack of coffee. There must be a third to measure their value in an (more or less) objective way. Because otherwise someone that is starving could be ripped of all his property for a single piece of food. And what is wrong with consent?
Btw. it is capitalism that made it possible to abolish the most brutal forms of slavery.
@Hochdorff you've truly earned the title, Absolute Moron.
Only someone as stupid as you would counter my factual statements with more fiction you believe to hold value simply because it has a constant, the number 3. Meanwhile, anyone with sense knows 3 of this and 3 of that does not make equal value.While they still use money, the Amish also do a lot of trading within their culture and in many cases are completely self sufficient.
@JonDeth Sorry, but you have not made a "factual" statement yet. All you do is a little of clueless bullshitting around. Money helps to compare thing, it is the common equivalent.
The Amish? A closed society under a strict rule. Is this the way you want to live somewhere between the 18th and 19th century. In "many" cases? What would happen if the rest of the world -not just a tiny group- would live this way? How would they then satisfy their demands?
I live near the largest Amish population IN THE WORLD. You know nothing about their culture as it's not closed off from the rest of the world by any means.They are VERY social people and do not suffer from the social plagues we do. They also tend to have a LOT of money and why?
Because they don't need to spend it!
I have made many factual statements and the fact is, money holds a fictional value. In nature, about the only value it has is kindling to start a fire.
@JonDeth "largest Amish population IN THE WORLD." Impressive! There are around 250.000 Amish in total, the city where I live has mor inhabitants, but anyhow. Amish got into more than once into severe conflict with child labour laws. This reflects the fact that family labour got exploited to a not so funny degree. They have so much money, because for the most part this relies on cheap labours, you prick.
@Hochdorff living with the Amish would be far better than living with you or the other like minded sheople. Running your own business isn't cheap labor for starters. What we call chores, CPS tried to claim as labor so when your kid is helping you seed a field, shovel cow shit or feed the animals so they can have a freedom modern livers can't, it's well worth the sacrifice.
The Amish tend to have a lot of money because they don't have BILLS and produce much of their own food, clothing etc.
@JonDeth Boy, you came to one of my videos asserting that I am part of some kind of conspiracy. And then you went on to paint the simplistic "us" vs. them picture. (Btw. who are "Them"?) To illustrate your incapability to understand global processes, you brought up of all possible thing Amish people. That is religious fanatics (quite harmless ones I'll give you that) that live somewhere in the past, in times where todays cureable diseases led to death. And again: Freedom through labour? Really?
@Hochdorff you're far too delusional, stupid and incompetent to be part of any such conspiracy and I made no such assertion. I stated that the only people these groups benefit are those IN them or living with a certain degree of wealth and elitist mentality.
So from cookie cutter PTA mom's driving 40 thousand dollar SUV's all the way to people like Barack Obama and Bill Gates, these financial cults benefit 1% of the world's population and I'm QUITE certain you're not one of them.
@JonDeth So your assertion is that 69000000 people are involved in a conspiracy. Stating this and calling me stupid and things like that tells nothing about me, instead it reveals the source of your bullshit. By the way it is rather funny how you avoid everything that did damage to your silly argument.
Oh by the way, are there any electric guitars among the Amish? You are the expert, because you live next to them, but I guess not. I wonder, why is that?
@Hochdorff the world's population isn't even that large for starters and a conspiracy requires one group of people to formulate a plan together than creates benefit for specifically them at the expense of an individual or a group of people that has been excluded.
By the true definition of the word, which you obviously do not know, a conspiracy can not incorporate an entire planetary population. And by definition, conspiracies run the world from one brand having trade secrets to the government.
The current world population is around 6,900,000,000. 1% would be 69,000,000. But you are right it is absolutly impossible that there are that much people involved in a conspiracy.Real conspiracies have certain characteristics.For example they have a specific short term goal that unifies the group, for example the assasination of somebody. Maybe they hope to establish long term goals, but they cannot control them. After achieving their short term goal they disband. Conspiracies are not ongoing.
@Hochdorff a conspiracy does not have an expiration date, the United States Federal Government is proof of this. How is it a conspiracy?
We are a Commonwealth Republic with an ACTING democracy. Now go in front of a cop, throw some garbage in the street and see what he accuses you of. He will accuse you of breaking the law, which you have not. Then he will insist he has authority to take several actions, he doesn't. It's all about YOUR consent to be governed but they don't teach this.
@Hochdorff meds are for obsessive compulsive people like you that get obsessed with the thoughts of others. Your video is ridiculously inaccurate and the facts are established through out our education system about the atrocities the founder can be linked to but again, you'll cry about him building a church and a horde of other nonsense.
Now go strap on your safety helmet and have a good cry.
Name just one inaccurate fact or stop bullshitting around! Why is the fact W. was helping to build a catholic church nonsense?
Which organisation do you mean? Name it!
OUR education system? Which one would this be?
But I see you are not just a conspiracy loon but a creationist as well, hence a do not expect a cohesive answer. If God is the origin of all things then he implemented the laws of nature for his creation to develop and this happens through evolution. But this is not the topic here.
Say everyone is the descendant of Noah or by greater extension Adam.
Well Adam couldn't be Hispanic, Black, White, Asian, Arab, Native American, and Pacific Islander now could he? He could only be one of those things or none of those things.
Eventually, the other groups of people had emerged from him. The process of which they had emerged is evolution.
So even if you don't believe that mankind's greatest ancestor is a single cell organism, you would still have to recognize evolution.
For example, say there was a conspiracy on the subject of visiting space aliens. And say the aliens were benevolent, but because they were involved in our evolution, thus creating our species and are truly benevolent and perhaps regard us as their children or seeds. They might try to take care of us if given the opportunity, but this is bad news, because it means many people would lose their jobs like doctors, ceos, professors, and politicians.
"His funding of a catholic church shows that goals and ideas change within a lifetime, which makes any long lasting conspiracy that didn't become publicly known impossible. all you conspiracy loons do is reapiting the bullshit of augustin barruel for over 210years."
thats a contradiction right???
btw freemasons did that shit for a long time so whatever...
never even heard of the obvioously unlikely myths you've successfully debunked -- interesting biography, however, no mention of the English Rothschild association and the courrier killed by lightning such that his papers fell into the hands of police?
short of including all relevant associations, this piece works for me as a classic straw man argument
@kittiehart What should the "English Rothschild association" be? And what part does it play concerning the Illuminati? Which other association? Get a bit more specific!
The lightning story is a little side story, so I choose to leave it out, because it is not that important.
How can a whole series of videos be a single straw man? It addresses things people do actually believe, if this is not what you believe congrats: You are slightly more sane then these guys!
@Hochdorff the conection to the House of Rothschild indicates that W. was in cooperation-- and the document W. was sending to England got him trouble with the state way beyond his troubles with the Jesuits et al., causing the Illuminatti to go underground -- check it out
1. What kind of connection had W. to the Rothschilds? What was the year? And where does this information derive from?
2. As the Illuminati were already a secret society, they did not need to go "underground". However, what documents you are refering to and with whom did W. have contact in England?
@Hochdorff it's your subject of rsearch, not mine--i'm just contributing with a
couple untreated threads you may want to pick up and track to flesh it out more --
i was under the impression from all i've read in the last decade thar W. was a known agent, who had to disappear into another organization to continue to
organize....hope you can find proof of that for sequel #4---looking forward to it!
What kind of contribution is that? Throw in an alledged connection and a dubious document to someone somewhere?
There exists no connection to the Rothschilds and even if, Rothschild was a small money exchanger and antiquarian without power and influence. He came to some power after 1790, but by then the Illuminati were history.
Lol I think you've completely missed the point. When people say Illuminati, they aren't referring to the old one, but rather a secret society that exist today whose name is unknown. Like paganism is an umbrella term - yet all pagans worship completely different deities.
The Queen of England is a member of the German Royal House of Saxe-Courg und Gotha.
Here bloodline is all over the saxony-gotha- alenburg, etc, etc, principalities. Ernst II is a blood relative of the Queen. She is a renowned icon within German and Austrian secret societies as well as the german mystic ayran cults for her blood purity. It is a known fact that the Illuminati sprang from the Enlightenment. This is most noticeable with the Medici dynasty during the renaissance and enlight.
ONE last thing I swear, I just read down and realized I already addressed the fact that Pearl Harbor was not a false flag (but just as bad) This post: "While this was not a FALSE FLAG attack, it was ADMITTEDLY (find the documents) INSTIGATED. We PUSHED them do to it. They WANTED the war and they didn't care how many innocent people had to die to start it. I don't know about you but I don't particularly like to see innocent people die, and I think WHOEVER is doing it has to be STOPPED." -WR
Before I go I will address the common theme of us not having any evidence to back certain things up. Well, sometimes there is evidence of course, many theories have simply come true. Most of them, to be perfectly honest. But when there isn't, it's often a perception issue. A false paranoid perception? Perhaps... sometimes. But Like I said, most of it pans out the way we say it will. :\ Now, the NWO of course we all know is coming to pass as we've said, the only question, is it evil? We'll see.
@xWickedXRabbitx ...and if we enter a Police State....much of the population is killed off, Americans put in concentration camps...all I can say is we tried to warn you. Even if you don't believe any of it, how about we try to keep our freedom. Let's not pass bills that destroy the constitution. Is that too much to ask? Wait yeah I guess it is, it's already been destroyed. Mark my words, there is a terrorist attack or something of that latitude coming. The doors have been opened for martial law.
...and again about the swastikas, I can't help what ignorant people put on pottery, I'm speaking of the literal meaning, simply a cross spinning. Clockwise = Positive Counterclockwise = Negative, very simple.
1. There is no 33rd degree in regular masonry. Most systems do not extent over 10 gedrees.
2. Pearl Harbour was not a false flag operation. It was an assault by the japanese and they do not deny this.
3. You find swastikas in all kinds of directions on stone age pottery and no one can tell you what the people carving them in are actually thinking about it
4. The Germans had a unifying hatred, this is why they all complied.
@Hochdorff Just because I mentioned false flag attacks doesn't mean I meant that specifically about pearl harbor. We pushed them into it purposely, this is common knowledge. Cut off trade etc. 10th degree masons are of no concern to me other than that they are influenced by higher ranking members of other systems (political agendas etc). Pawns. My swastika thing isn't a theory, just saying that's how it is supposed to work. We have patriotism and ignorance, and hatred of an invisible enemy.
@Hochdorff 10th Degree masons are of no concern other than that they are influenced by higher degrees of other systems, politically etc. Pearl harbor was indeed not a false flag, but we admittedly pushed them into it, cutting of trades etc. What I said about the swastikas is the general idea of how it is supposed to work, period. Germans had hatred, we have patriotism and ignorance, coupled with the hatred and fear of an phantom enemy.
@Hochdorff "...1. There is no 33rd degree in regular masonry..."...yes there is...at least according to them...but if you know better then actual Grand Master...then who are we to argue....and btw there is a blue masonery that have 3 degrees and red that have 33....
@CeeDeeHR Oh sorry, this is true, the "Ancient and accepted Scottish Rite" has 33 degrees. I did not realize this, because where I live they do not work them all. My apology for this.
BTW (yes I looked it up :p) Pearl Harbor: The overall death toll reached 2,350, including 68 civilians, and 1,178 injured. While this was not a FALSE FLAG attack, there was ADMITTEDLY (find the documents) INSTIGATED. We PUSHED them do to it. They WANTED the war and they didn't care how many innocent people had to die to start. I don't know about you but I don't particularly like to see innocent people die, and I think WHOEVER is doing it has to be STOPPED.
Yes Washington, sorry. Mistake on my part actually, when you used W. I thought Washington. Ya know it is interesting though, there is little to no actual evidence of the "Illuminati" per say, so it is something you have me thinking about. I'm pretty confident SOMEONE is pulling some rather corrupt strings though. Like you say, most of the symbolism you find all over the place is MASONIC. I've just been lead to believe the Illuminati is at the top of masonry. I'll have to look into this some more
This symbolism is a human need, this is why you find it. Most masonic symbols derive from christianity and this is the source for others as well. Same source, different meaning. Anyway, there is not much published in english about the Illuminati that is right, but there are plenty of sources (primary and secondary) in german. This is what I read and I know how to use such sources.
@Hochdorff ...and most Christian symbols derive from paganism. Again, the meanings we derive from such symbols are based on where they come from and their affiliations, generally Free Masons. In that case we assume the symbols have masonic meanings, which point blank is the worship of Lucifer, the Light Bearer. I don't know about this Adam fellow but the general idea behind the Illuminati is that it is simply a group of 13 bloodlines.
@xWickedXRabbitx Now, whether Weishaupt was one of these I don't know, and I'm not going to look it up and PRETEND like I do.....But the idea isn't that some group started and did this or that, but it is believed that Free Masonry among other secret societies were put together by these bloodlines. Now, assuming A W. had something to do with any of this, I know from reading history books, information about certain people is often written in the eye of the beholder or to portray them as intended.
@xWickedXRabbitx Honestly I've only seen Adam Weishaupt mentioned in one conspiracy film that I've watched, and I thought the idea they presented about him looking like Washington was moronic. The 13 bloodlines is what we're interested in.
The triangle is something rather easy to explain in christian symbolism, it points dirctly to the trinity of god and God himself is called in the bible "the all-seeing": Even the darkness does not keep him from seeing (Psalm 139:11-12). But anyway, symbols can change meaning and some meanings might get lost and they got filled with new meaning, e.g. the swastika.
Most Masons are christians, some are jews and even fewer are muslims.
@Hochdorff Mhm. They worship Lucifer. The christian Masons are not at the 33rd degree, and the leaders could care less whom or what they worship unless they deem them worthy.
@Hochdorff The meaning behind the swastika changes depending on which way the cross is spinning. Most people don't realize that it is a spinning cross. Counter-Clockwise = Evil, Clockwise it's actual a good thing.
@Hochdorff When the triangle is used to represent trinity, it is referring to the pagan trinity. Christians are, for the most part, against icons. It appears on the NIV because the NIV is a doctored version. Really? most masons are Christians? Come on now. Don't try to make this look like a christian conspiracy.
Christians are against icons? Well tell this to the orthodox branche. Most masons are christians and it is not a conspiracy masons are an organisation that maintains a certain privacy and they have every right to do it.
Either way, there are still some really corrupt things going on in our government, and that's what I'm interested in. But in the end, I do believe the Illuminati exists. I can't prove it, but there's no proof what you've read is true either. It's like believing everything you read in a history book. I practice what I preach as well, I certainly don't buy everything Alex Jones or David Icke try to sell me either. Lizard people? lol I don't know about that.
It's not a fun thing to be aware of, and I wish none of it were true. I don't "Want" to see evil in everything, but it's out there. Patriotism makes it hard for people to believe that WE are the evil. If there's no Illuminati, fine. But we are in a state of deep deep corruption and it needs to stop. One problem IS the false information some conspiracy theorists come up with, it discredits a lot of things that seriously need to be looked into.
When 9/11 happened I immediately thought, "ya know, I bet we did that". I wasn't even into conspiracy's then, it's just so obvious..people lack critical thinking and awareness, partly because of the poison they put in our food and water. Massively because of mass hypnosis and brainwashing through the media and school. Take some time to look into what started prior wars, not the text book reasons but the real reasons, and tell me, why wouldn't they do it again?
Do you know how many people must be involved by what you are implying? And this means every single one of them has to walk in line. And all the media and schools in South America, Europe, Africa, Asia and Australia brainwashes too? No way.
In false flag operations - to which you are refering - no one dies, at least no one from one owns side.
@Hochdorff That wouldn't take very many people at all..........and no one dies? If they're willing to start a WAR with a false flag operation....wow........how many die in the war? ....so how would a false flag operation that doesn't directly "cause" death be anymore plausible or acceptable? Come on you seem like a nice guy so I don't wanna be a dick but, gimme a fucking break....back to the other thing, I don't understand why you think that would be so difficult...
@Hochdorff "Walk the Line" I mean....how many had to "walk the line" during the Holocaust? Look, with enough money ONE person behind the scenes could easily accomplish something like this, and that's not even what I'm implying. Most of the people "walking the line" don't realize that's what they're doing.
The debunking just bothers me because there are people behind the scenes that need to be stopped, I don't care if they call themselves the Sunshine Bears.
@Hochdorff Do you ever pay attention to what's going on or you do just watch the local news? Have you read the patriot act? Are you aware that other wars are ADMITTEDLY false flag operations? Would an Anarchist group be arrested in a sane society after vandalizing an area? Or would they be housed for free by the authorities? *ding* That doesn't lead you to believe they are working for them? There's evidence that they PUT them there in order to have a reason to come out and beat protesters.
@xWickedXRabbitx Just some minor examples of some corrupt things that go on. Everything us "conspiracy theorists" have told you was going to happen is now OPENLY happening. The NWO is being put together, period. Our freedom and privacy is being taken away at an accelerated rate, there's abundant proof of them poisoning our food and water, and nobody gives a damn. They think it's funny like we wear tinfoil hats. Wake the hell up already. Even if they don't put us in concentration camps and kill
@xWickedXRabbitx .. . . and kill us off, we're still being led into a police state. I mean read the bills man, it's fact. It's happening. The constitution is gone. It's a very simple thing, like with the "Anarchists". Problem, Reaction, Solution. They CREATE a problem, we FREAK OUT, and they come up with a solution that requires us to give up certain writes so they can "SAVE" us. By everyone else in the world, we are considered pure evil. There's a reason for that. We ARE the great Satan.
An Enlightened form of Monarchy? That doesn't sound like a NWO to you? Anyway, despite the fact that there's a good chance most of your research is filled with misinformation (even if not it still has no relevance) you just go on and on about "some" people believe this or "some" people believe that....well I don't believe any of these things you point out to begin with. Regardless, even if every bit of information you have is true, what is important is what the Illuminati became AFTER his death.
Are you implying that the alledged NWO will be a form of enlightened monarchy? I say these about some people because the conspiracy theorist-scene is very erratic and eclectic. As you said not everybody shares the same believes. The history of the order ends around 1787. There are some modern imposters, but between the original order and the first imposter-group is a gap of over 100 years. The imposters and the original order had nothing in common.
@Hochdorff Illuminati = The Enlightened Ones. A Monarchy involving the Illuminati would be the New World Order. The history ends because it is a secret society. There's really no way to prove or disprove it, It's just something I believe exists, maybe that's not even the name they use. Free masonic ties are easy to find, I believe the Illuminati to be at the top, maybe not. But someone is and they hold the ideals we believe to be held by the "Illuminati". That's what I call them :\
Enlightenment is a philosophical and theological term and all kinds of people named themselves after this. But they are not necessarily inter-related. The Bavarian Illuminati were aristocrats and only loosly connected to some contemporary monarchs. The monarchs themself had some ideas about enlightenment. It was a term quite popular at these times.
Anyway, these things are of course provable. To tools to do this are the historical record and logic.
He was a mason and rebuilt a church, smells of rosicrucian beliefs to me and that leads to new world order, be cool with it after all the fighting is over it will be real cool.
That is the guy that came up with his bs after his retirement and who quotes as his biggest inspiration and source the antisemite William Carr.
Btw. Gunderson believes also that a governmental satanic cult kidnaps children to abuse them and murder them in rituals. And other stupid things like that.
The point is he is a former chief of the Los Angeles FBI department. ppl, just watch his (Ted Gunderson's) video lectures.
The NWO is unfolding before our eyes; the plans of the illuminati are in full swing. Ted Gunderson's info is 100% true, there are whistle blowers coming out all over the place these days. Message me with your email and I will send you an email of all my best videos of evidence.
"The point is he is a former chief of the Los Angeles FBI department. "
See, that is a classical argumentum ad verecundiam (appeal to authority). And if the Queen of England has said what Gunerson said it would still remain bs.
From my answer you can see I obviously know Gunderson and his views, hence to advise his video lectures is a bit awkward. The rest of your message are just empty phrases.
It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am. The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of separation).
Nice. I am unable to draw your conclusions from the scarse info in the videos, but your points are valid. -But isn't the idea that W concieved the 'system', once public domain he had no idea how his memes fared?
Good series on Weishaupt. I hope you make more. You alluded to the fact that you were planning on doing another one once, I hope you haven't changed your mind.
I certainly will. I want to do a fourth part in this series to show how contemporaries saw Weishaupt. That deepens the picture. Afterwards I turn to the Order itself, but till then it's a lot of reading.
"All you conspiracy loons" "btw- he was a Jesuit!" ROFL
TheNykademos 2 months ago
Can you just please pm me and send me ALLLL the links, like copy and paste, your siting please, my friend is like drugged with the illuminati conspiracy and I cant get it out of his fucking head!!!!!
MKidYup 2 months ago
@MKidYup i don't think it can be helped. in one of the previous videos somebody compared one that believes this shit to be on the same wavelength as a religious fanatic. you can't convince them otherwise no matter how much evidence you bring forth. they are married to the ideology of the illuminati and other conspiracy theories.
polskie90 20 hours ago
tl;dr
Gaffer213 3 months ago
The evidence to support secret societies is abundant and provable. The Illuminati infiltrates other secret societies. That would make the Illuminati a generic term at this point historically. The Bavarian Illuminati existed quite openly and predates Weishaupt. You attempted to "debunk" a generic term. Very well done.
Vegetabledishes 3 months ago
@Vegetabledishes I do not try to disprove the existence of so-called secret societies, what I try to show is their historicity and their modus operandi.
Why should an organization that tries to infiltrate (influence that is) others become a generic term? You have to back that notion up, since many organizations do this and not ending up being the generalized evil. The Illuminati were neither the first nor the last to do so.
Where is the evidence that the I. predated W.?
Hochdorff 3 months ago
Ok so it says new world order on the Dollar bill for no reason, and around a pyramid. Just for giggles huh.
AlienslikeAnal 4 months ago
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AlienslikeAnal 4 months ago
I look for reasons why not to believe the illuminati conspiraciys as it is all very depressing - yet again and again and again something predicted in the next stage of their plan comes to the fore: the gold price - the pope and the un calling for a new world financial order - you guys should wake upo smell the coffe!
I seen two more today - the pope calla for a world governement and chine and russia expousing a new world currency and the un actually recomending it!! wake up smell the coffe!
TUFTYCAMEL1 5 months ago
Very interesting. My conclusion is that the only reason anybody today has even heard of the Iluminati is because it was a "banned secret" society. Anything that is banned will become interesting and will foster all sorts of myths.
tsafa1 6 months ago
Why do all the prominent figures in politics finance business education sciences go to these meetings? And why are they secret? Wake up use your mind use common sense dont just be book smart ... rationalize think just dont read and process it in your mind with out questionung what your reading
jim19526 7 months ago
And you still havent proved anything ...I looked at 3 videos and not one of them says anything about the Bavarian Illuminati ...Just because Weisphauts life was what it was doesn't prove that he could have been involved in some way during the years of 1773 to 1776 in the Bavarian Illuminatti. He couldve been just a puppet ? Or maybe its all bullshit but the fact of the matter is you cant deny that the rich and wealthy have some kind of control...Why do they have the Bilderberg meetings then?
jim19526 7 months ago
So you believe every conspiracy is wrong ? That all people that believe in a conspiracy are nuts? What about JFK do you think he was assassinated by a lone gunmen ? What about the government lying about vietnam? The gulf of Tonkin incident? Maybe you should be a little more open minded instead of ridiculing calling eveybody a loon it just shows your closed mindedness
jim19526 7 months ago
Hochdorff, I have a question for you. Would you say that The Da Vinci Code/Angels & Demons, somehow fueled the Illuminati conspiracy theories? Did Dan Brown single handedly troll a bunch of psychopaths into this bullshit?
blunty6feetunder 8 months ago
@blunty6feetunder Difficult to say, because Brown got attacked quite harshly from the Conspiracy Theorists. I guess someone who is vulnerable to this kind of thought might get the last kick through the books/movies, but then again they are just nicely written and produced stories. I did not read the books, but I actually enjoyed the movies.
Hochdorff 8 months ago
Very interesting, please pm me your list of sources. I love debunking material that actually makes sense. Great job on all three vids btw.
FiUiCiKiBenBernanke 8 months ago
The order of perfectibilists{ was a rationalist order he set up to undermine the excess power/privelage/etc of the corrupt church/revealed religions and monarchy and other undeserving authorities and their abuses of power and wealth. to spread enlightenment ideals
Iconoclastithon 11 months ago
Weishupt was a freethinking DEIST rationalist
Iconoclastithon 11 months ago
FAIL
Tzuseiji 11 months ago
@Tzuseiji Another example for a bright eloquent young man...
What do you achieve with such comments?
My suggestion to you: Go troll somewhere else trollface!
Hochdorff 11 months ago
@Hochdorff - Lol, how am I a troll? You're making an attempt at "debunking" the existence of a higher society that wants you dead and follows demons. You're a clueless man and I wouldn't be surprised if "they" hired you to do this FAIL of a documentary. If you want to be a sheeple and ignore the facts, go ahead; but don't try to override the facts with your deluded sense of whats real and whats false.
Tzuseiji 11 months ago
@Tzuseiji What facts? Please be more specific. What do you know about the Order of the Illuminati and where did you get your knowledge from?
Hochdorff 11 months ago 2
@Hochdorff - The facts aren't exclusive; they're available to the public. I mean, I do have some of my own documentaries exposing certain aspects of this truth, but you'll just have to see for yourself..
Tzuseiji 11 months ago
@Hochdorff i will ruin your gran with my thumb
pastytit 6 months ago
dude fuck fuck. your an adam weishaupt apologetic not an illuminati debunker. they may not go under the same name but people know theres something going on iIf you cant see theres something going onn behind closed doors i feel sorry for you. real sorry.
dawildabeast24 1 year ago
@dawildabeast24 Umm only the first part of the videos are about Adam Weishaupt, you obviously had made up your mind before actually watching all the video which just goes to show that it doesn't matter how much information is brought up, you probably didn't even watch this video. Not to mention he is not saying that the Illuminati did not exist, he is pointing out historically that it is not the Conspiracy being spread around today, that people like you continue to spread like disease. Idiot.
AstrophelTDeath 9 months ago
I suggest you watch the imaginarium of doctor parnassus, I dont know if you've ever seen the movie. All it has done has changed its face (name), but your probably one of those people who believe everything your told. The new world order is coming whether it goes under the name illuminati, trilateral commision, cfr, g8 summits, committe of 300. idiot wow i havent been called that since 3rd grade. your a cute little sheep haha
dawildabeast24 9 months ago
@dawildabeast24 If you watch the next video it explains how you show the characteristics of being a conspiracy theorist, and no I believe that your one of those people who believe everything your told, let me ask you. Do you believe in "God" ?
AstrophelTDeath 9 months ago
@AstrophelTDeath @dawildabeast24 Yeah I believe in God so does my mom and dad, and my brother, and I know Jesus is coming back soon, very soon. the devil is alive and well in the music industry, movies, media, in politics. its right in our faces, its coming down to choosing sides. there is no more grey area anymore. I honestly believe something very bad is coming, but go ahead keep making fun of people, who are searching for truth and believe what you want to believe.
dawildabeast24 9 months ago
@dawildabeast24 Yeah it would make sense that they do , they taught you about "God" if they had never told you, you would most likely never have believed in "God" why do you think people around the world believe in different "god"s depending on where they are at in the world, if you would have been born in the middle east you would have worshiped Allah. I am searching for the truth, you are not, you are just taking all the answers and filling them with "god" thats not an answer, its a quick
AstrophelTDeath 9 months ago
@dawildabeast24 solution. Plus if you actually watched the video which obviously you didn't you would know that the man that created the Illuminati was in fact a Christian. And I understand you belief in God and Jesus coming back, but in the end you have no proof for it what so ever. Your walking into a dark room with no flash light, and instead of coming out of the room to get one, you locked yourself in there and refuse to open the door because your afraid.
AstrophelTDeath 9 months ago
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@dawildabeast24 Yeah I believe in God so does my mom and dad, and my brother, and I know Jesus is coming back soon, very soon. the devil is alive and well in the music industry, movies, media, in politics. its right in our faces, its coming down to choosing sides. there is no more grey area anymore. I honestly believe something very bad is coming, but go ahead keep making fun of people, who are searching for truth and believe what you want to believe.
dawildabeast24 9 months ago
@dawildabeast24 Yeah I believe in God so does my mom and dad, and my brother, and I know Jesus is coming back soon, very soon. the devil is alive and well in the music industry, movies, media, in politics. its right in our faces, its coming down to choosing sides. there is no more grey area anymore. I honestly believe something very bad is coming, but go ahead keep making fun of people, who are searching for truth and believe what you want to believe.
dawildabeast24 9 months ago
Successful logic requires thinking in multi-dimensions, as in chess. Most players of conspiracy theories are right brained, counter establisment, anti-western thinkers who lack the capacity for forming a working proof. This dichotomy is a manifestion of right brain vs left brain thinking. Consequentialy, people who think this way believe in whatever they have been fed without little contemplation for testing it on multiple levels. They can't. Such thinking is a manifestation of the right brain.
BrokenAeroVT 1 year ago 2
@BrokenAeroVT I think you are digging yourself quite a hole there by criticizing all us right brained people. I do not blindly believe what all the conspiracy theorist put out there, I research everything, and according to various tests, I am one of the right brained people you speak of. I believe that thinking for yourself is neither right brained nor left, it's a sign of intelligence. I know plenty of counter establishment people who are left brain dominant as well.
Xenia0natop 1 year ago
@Xenia0natop When proofs fail, logic or your L brain haven't been used at all. It's all just circumstantial evidence & schizophrenic-like associative thinking stringed together leading to self delusion. You've also made an error in reading comprehension by misusing this type of thinking. You have used association to read into my statement your own errant conclusion. I never criticized R brain thinking--rather its use isolated from L brain logic keeping it in check. You clearly still lack that.
BrokenAeroVT 1 year ago
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BrokenAeroVT 1 year ago
You sack of patriotic shit "ordsall66", do you not think that Heny Kissenger's famed quote was conspiratorial ? "Military men are like animals, to have their lives used as NOTHING more than pawn pieces in the political chess game that is foreign policy." It takes PATHETIC, mind controlled patriotic FOOLS, like you to put on uniforms and do the filthy dirty work of these political tyrants. I would beat you Washington DC cock suckers so hard, you will think I'm Ho Chi Min riding into Saigon !
EducatedRebellion101 1 year ago
@EducatedRebellion101 I answer you just here. If you go on and post the same comment on every vid, I will block you for spamming. And please stick to one insult per comment otherwise it gets comical.
1. I am not Ordsall66, but I do think the quote is not conspiratorial.
2. For which tyrants do I do the "filthy work"?
3. I got through my studies without loans.
4. What is the actual argument your are trying to make, besides all the rubbish you wrote?
Hochdorff 1 year ago
@Hochdorff I'm incredibly grateful that you made these videos, and took the time to do this research. Thank you very much, I always knew this Illuminati conspiracy thing was a fake when I first heard it, but now I have more reasoning to back it up. I just want you to know that your hard work had a purpose for someone. Thank you. Peace.
AstrophelTDeath 9 months ago
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This is you. LOL!
watch?v=XOGWbzUM-y8
TheRadicalRyushin 1 year ago
While you're at it, make a video that explains the purpose AND benefit to all outsiders of this organization. Then make us some videos telling us how the theory of evolution is a proven fact and reference the rants of richard dawkins.
This should be good!
JonDeth 1 year ago
It is a proven fact.
Do you even know what evolution is? Yes you know who it comes from. But do you know what it is?
It a detailing factor explaining how populations have changed over time.
I mean come on man, even if you are a creationist and believe Adam and Eve or Noah and his sons. You would still have to believe in evolution to explain how everyone looks so different.
TheRadicalRyushin 1 year ago
wow, a proven fact!
So where is all this factual evidence proving this theory as fact?
I can't wait for the news headlines tomorrow!
The theory of evolution will now be known as the FACT of evolution!
I'm so excited!
This is going to change the world!
You are so smart!
So tell me, how did you take this theory and prove it to be an undeniable fact in the world of science which will now be taught as a fact in schools all over the world, rather than as a theory.
A THEORY.
Dictionaries frighten you
JonDeth 1 year ago
No, it is a proven fact, not just a theory.
By the way, a theory is something that has been tested and proven. What you are thinking about is called a hypothesis. A hypothesis is an idea or thought that sounds applicable, but has yet been tested or cannot be tested as yet due to our lack of technology or ability to test it.
Dictionaries frighten me? At least I can use an actual dictionary rather than an English to Retardese translator.
By the way, this is you.
watch?v=XOGWbzUM-y8
TheRadicalRyushin 1 year ago
@TheRadicalRyushin you are truly the stupidest person on youtube.
Take 5 minutes to use a dictionary...though I'm sure you will still refute the global consensus of what the word means.
A theory is unproven, a fact can be observed, measured, weighed, recorded etc.
Don't bother me again with your 12 year old damaged brain. You sir are a complete fucking moron.
JonDeth 1 year ago
"you are truly the stupidest person on youtube."
I know you are but what am I?
"Take five minutes to use a dictionary."
Not all dictionaries are the same and their entries aren't often written by actual people who use science. Theory as it taught in Old Dominion University is as I had said it was. You can pick up any dictionary and just because it is a dictionary doesn't mean its entries are right. As an example, Oxford Dictionary which is the most credible dictionary has false entries.
TheRadicalRyushin 1 year ago
"A theory is unproven, a fact can be observed, measured, weighed, recorded etc."
Sorry, dude. But you need to get the definition from a scientist or a professor from a public college. Dictionary entries are often found wrong.
"Don't bother me again with your 12 year old damaged brain. You sir are a complete fucking moron."
I know you are, but what am I.
TheRadicalRyushin 1 year ago
Often it is linguists and journalists that have made complaints to dictionary conglomerates that their entries are wrong. But you see a dictionary is a commodity, in other words it is a product. It is sold to make profit, not to issue correct information. So when they make these dictionaries they don't always use correct definitions nor do they often use spell check as my Webster Dictionary is full of syntax and spelling errors.
TheRadicalRyushin 1 year ago
@TheRadicalRyushin stop harrassing me with your raging ignorance! Hypothesis and theory are synonymous. You don't even have a 9th grade education.
JonDeth 1 year ago
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"stop harrassing me with your raging ignorance!"
I know you are, but what am I?
"Hypothesis and theory are synonymous."
LMFAO! BAKAROU! Now that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. LOL!
"You don't even have a 9th grade education."
I know you are, but what am I?
TheRadicalRyushin 1 year ago
The only people it's a "myth" for is those BENEFITING from the organizations work. This number isn't exactly small because it incorporates the subservient religious populations of the world from the PTA mom's to the stupid children they raise that explore living a life of corruption once they're in college all the way up to the billionaire heirs/heiresses that will never work a day in their life and believe they're entitled to power and fame.
It's THEM vs us and I bet you're one of us.
Idiot!
JonDeth 1 year ago
@JonDeth The only struggle for that matter that goes on is you vs. your sanity. The other is a restless, ongoing process in which every human on this earth takes part and it is named: capitalism.
But people like you fail to understand what that means. Therefor you have to believe in bullshit-pseudo-explanations.
Hochdorff 1 year ago
@Hochdorff paper money in itself is the foundation of the scam and the fact that you can't see that and that my native American ancestors were slaughtered for rejecting it proves what a complete RETARD, and I'm not name calling I'm labeling, YOU ARE.
Money allows someone to build up the concept of financial wealth and it can be done without lifting a finger. The rest of the world live on trade and was quite happy and peaceful with that until RETARDS like yourself came along.
You know nothing.
JonDeth 1 year ago
@JonDeth Paper money? Does it play any role which material money is made of? Money is the fluidum/fuel of this process, nothing more nothing less.
The rest of the world? Who is that and how did they carry out their supposed "trade"?
The good thing with capitalism is that he renders "ancestors" useless!
Hochdorff 1 year ago
@Hochdorff pure nonsense, money is a complete lie. It's representative of nothing unless we consent. If I trade you a piece of furniture for a bundle of rope, there is no need for either party to consent to the value of the goods. They have physical, real world value.
Paper money and computer credit on the other hand are purely fiction. They require the consent of the users to hold value. They also allow for people to legally enslave others while reeking reward for doing little to nothing.
JonDeth 1 year ago
@JonDeth Oh boy, you are rather clueless. Money makes different types of objects compareble. You can not compare three cows and a pack of coffee. There must be a third to measure their value in an (more or less) objective way. Because otherwise someone that is starving could be ripped of all his property for a single piece of food. And what is wrong with consent?
Btw. it is capitalism that made it possible to abolish the most brutal forms of slavery.
Is this system perfect? No, of course not.
Hochdorff 1 year ago
@Hochdorff you've truly earned the title, Absolute Moron.
Only someone as stupid as you would counter my factual statements with more fiction you believe to hold value simply because it has a constant, the number 3. Meanwhile, anyone with sense knows 3 of this and 3 of that does not make equal value.While they still use money, the Amish also do a lot of trading within their culture and in many cases are completely self sufficient.
You're both brainwashed AND annoying.
JonDeth 1 year ago
@JonDeth Sorry, but you have not made a "factual" statement yet. All you do is a little of clueless bullshitting around. Money helps to compare thing, it is the common equivalent.
The Amish? A closed society under a strict rule. Is this the way you want to live somewhere between the 18th and 19th century. In "many" cases? What would happen if the rest of the world -not just a tiny group- would live this way? How would they then satisfy their demands?
Hochdorff 1 year ago
I live near the largest Amish population IN THE WORLD. You know nothing about their culture as it's not closed off from the rest of the world by any means.They are VERY social people and do not suffer from the social plagues we do. They also tend to have a LOT of money and why?
Because they don't need to spend it!
I have made many factual statements and the fact is, money holds a fictional value. In nature, about the only value it has is kindling to start a fire.
oh wait no, you sure told me!
JonDeth 1 year ago
@JonDeth "largest Amish population IN THE WORLD." Impressive! There are around 250.000 Amish in total, the city where I live has mor inhabitants, but anyhow. Amish got into more than once into severe conflict with child labour laws. This reflects the fact that family labour got exploited to a not so funny degree. They have so much money, because for the most part this relies on cheap labours, you prick.
Why don't you join them?
Hochdorff 1 year ago
@Hochdorff your ignorance in all subjects is absolutely tremendous.
JonDeth 1 year ago
@JonDeth I am amazed by your skill to address arguments.
But please tell me, what did I ignore?
And why do you refuse to answer my questions?
Hochdorff 1 year ago
@Hochdorff living with the Amish would be far better than living with you or the other like minded sheople. Running your own business isn't cheap labor for starters. What we call chores, CPS tried to claim as labor so when your kid is helping you seed a field, shovel cow shit or feed the animals so they can have a freedom modern livers can't, it's well worth the sacrifice.
The Amish tend to have a lot of money because they don't have BILLS and produce much of their own food, clothing etc.
JonDeth 1 year ago
@JonDeth You are very much into trivializing things. The kids of the amish do what kids had to do 300 years ago and that is not just a pastime.
Freedom through labour? Seriously?
On a side note: Our entire discussion has nothing to do with the vid it is posted under.
Hochdorff 1 year ago
@Hochdorff you just can't stop carrying on about things you know nothing about. I live near tens of thousands of Amish, you live near....gee, NONE!
Quit while you're behind superstar.
JonDeth 1 year ago
@JonDeth Boy, you came to one of my videos asserting that I am part of some kind of conspiracy. And then you went on to paint the simplistic "us" vs. them picture. (Btw. who are "Them"?) To illustrate your incapability to understand global processes, you brought up of all possible thing Amish people. That is religious fanatics (quite harmless ones I'll give you that) that live somewhere in the past, in times where todays cureable diseases led to death. And again: Freedom through labour? Really?
Hochdorff 1 year ago
@Hochdorff you're far too delusional, stupid and incompetent to be part of any such conspiracy and I made no such assertion. I stated that the only people these groups benefit are those IN them or living with a certain degree of wealth and elitist mentality.
So from cookie cutter PTA mom's driving 40 thousand dollar SUV's all the way to people like Barack Obama and Bill Gates, these financial cults benefit 1% of the world's population and I'm QUITE certain you're not one of them.
JonDeth 1 year ago
@JonDeth So your assertion is that 69000000 people are involved in a conspiracy. Stating this and calling me stupid and things like that tells nothing about me, instead it reveals the source of your bullshit. By the way it is rather funny how you avoid everything that did damage to your silly argument.
Oh by the way, are there any electric guitars among the Amish? You are the expert, because you live next to them, but I guess not. I wonder, why is that?
Hochdorff 1 year ago
@Hochdorff the world's population isn't even that large for starters and a conspiracy requires one group of people to formulate a plan together than creates benefit for specifically them at the expense of an individual or a group of people that has been excluded.
By the true definition of the word, which you obviously do not know, a conspiracy can not incorporate an entire planetary population. And by definition, conspiracies run the world from one brand having trade secrets to the government.
JonDeth 1 year ago
The current world population is around 6,900,000,000. 1% would be 69,000,000. But you are right it is absolutly impossible that there are that much people involved in a conspiracy.Real conspiracies have certain characteristics.For example they have a specific short term goal that unifies the group, for example the assasination of somebody. Maybe they hope to establish long term goals, but they cannot control them. After achieving their short term goal they disband. Conspiracies are not ongoing.
Hochdorff 1 year ago
@Hochdorff a conspiracy does not have an expiration date, the United States Federal Government is proof of this. How is it a conspiracy?
We are a Commonwealth Republic with an ACTING democracy. Now go in front of a cop, throw some garbage in the street and see what he accuses you of. He will accuse you of breaking the law, which you have not. Then he will insist he has authority to take several actions, he doesn't. It's all about YOUR consent to be governed but they don't teach this.
CONSPIRACY!
JonDeth 1 year ago
@JonDeth LMAO! Yeah right, that must be why it is a everlasting conspiracy. Good night Jon and do not forget to take your meds...
Hochdorff 1 year ago
@Hochdorff meds are for obsessive compulsive people like you that get obsessed with the thoughts of others. Your video is ridiculously inaccurate and the facts are established through out our education system about the atrocities the founder can be linked to but again, you'll cry about him building a church and a horde of other nonsense.
Now go strap on your safety helmet and have a good cry.
JonDeth 1 year ago
Name just one inaccurate fact or stop bullshitting around! Why is the fact W. was helping to build a catholic church nonsense?
Which organisation do you mean? Name it!
OUR education system? Which one would this be?
But I see you are not just a conspiracy loon but a creationist as well, hence a do not expect a cohesive answer. If God is the origin of all things then he implemented the laws of nature for his creation to develop and this happens through evolution. But this is not the topic here.
Hochdorff 1 year ago
You should just stick to replying to people like this JonDeth like this.
And do take notes, because it is a fun and much simply way of mocking people:
"Hey, I found a video of you on youtube, enjoy. watch?v=XOGWbzUM-y8"
Gets them all the time. 100% Guaranteed Troll Pesticide. LOL!
Just use this every time you see or meet a troll on the internet.
TheRadicalRyushin 1 year ago
Say everyone is the descendant of Noah or by greater extension Adam.
Well Adam couldn't be Hispanic, Black, White, Asian, Arab, Native American, and Pacific Islander now could he? He could only be one of those things or none of those things.
Eventually, the other groups of people had emerged from him. The process of which they had emerged is evolution.
So even if you don't believe that mankind's greatest ancestor is a single cell organism, you would still have to recognize evolution.
TheRadicalRyushin 1 year ago
Or if they are ongoing, they won't be successful.
For example, say there was a conspiracy on the subject of visiting space aliens. And say the aliens were benevolent, but because they were involved in our evolution, thus creating our species and are truly benevolent and perhaps regard us as their children or seeds. They might try to take care of us if given the opportunity, but this is bad news, because it means many people would lose their jobs like doctors, ceos, professors, and politicians.
TheRadicalRyushin 1 year ago
But since it is an ongoing conspiracy, eventually they would slept and we would take notice of this and realize it.
But like I said, that is just a what-if example.
TheRadicalRyushin 1 year ago
@JonDeth Oh and another thing, if you want to get rid of your fictional paper stuff I can name a bank account whose owner will gladly accept it.
Btw. name one thing which has "real" value!
Hochdorff 1 year ago
@JonDeth
supplanter111 1 year ago
"His funding of a catholic church shows that goals and ideas change within a lifetime, which makes any long lasting conspiracy that didn't become publicly known impossible. all you conspiracy loons do is reapiting the bullshit of augustin barruel for over 210years."
thats a contradiction right???
btw freemasons did that shit for a long time so whatever...
KeizerKatana 1 year ago
@KeizerKatana
No it is not for three reasons:
1. The stuff CTer spew out is publicly known wether as a fault or as a correct information.
2. Guys repeating stupid stuff does not equal a conspiracy, e.g. creationists. It shows however a similar mind set, which is something different.
3. I do not deny that CTers can change within their lifetime, if I would I would not make this vids.
Hochdorff 1 year ago
so...
you are debunking what???
I like the music btw...
(that (btw) means taxes in flemish)
KeizerKatana 1 year ago
@KeizerKatana
1. That the Illuminati wanted to abolish all states and religions.
2. That the Illuminati existed beyond 1787.
3. That they somehow founded the USA or initiated the French revolution.
4. That they were satanic.
5. That there is an ongoing conspiracy maintained by any group.
Hochdorff 1 year ago
never even heard of the obvioously unlikely myths you've successfully debunked -- interesting biography, however, no mention of the English Rothschild association and the courrier killed by lightning such that his papers fell into the hands of police?
short of including all relevant associations, this piece works for me as a classic straw man argument
kittiehart 1 year ago
@kittiehart What should the "English Rothschild association" be? And what part does it play concerning the Illuminati? Which other association? Get a bit more specific!
The lightning story is a little side story, so I choose to leave it out, because it is not that important.
How can a whole series of videos be a single straw man? It addresses things people do actually believe, if this is not what you believe congrats: You are slightly more sane then these guys!
Hochdorff 1 year ago
@Hochdorff the conection to the House of Rothschild indicates that W. was in cooperation-- and the document W. was sending to England got him trouble with the state way beyond his troubles with the Jesuits et al., causing the Illuminatti to go underground -- check it out
kittiehart 1 year ago
@kittiehart
1. What kind of connection had W. to the Rothschilds? What was the year? And where does this information derive from?
2. As the Illuminati were already a secret society, they did not need to go "underground". However, what documents you are refering to and with whom did W. have contact in England?
Hochdorff 1 year ago
@Hochdorff it's your subject of rsearch, not mine--i'm just contributing with a
couple untreated threads you may want to pick up and track to flesh it out more --
i was under the impression from all i've read in the last decade thar W. was a known agent, who had to disappear into another organization to continue to
organize....hope you can find proof of that for sequel #4---looking forward to it!
kittiehart 1 year ago
What kind of contribution is that? Throw in an alledged connection and a dubious document to someone somewhere?
There exists no connection to the Rothschilds and even if, Rothschild was a small money exchanger and antiquarian without power and influence. He came to some power after 1790, but by then the Illuminati were history.
Hochdorff 1 year ago
Lol I think you've completely missed the point. When people say Illuminati, they aren't referring to the old one, but rather a secret society that exist today whose name is unknown. Like paganism is an umbrella term - yet all pagans worship completely different deities.
Reauit 1 year ago
Um.
The Queen of England is a member of the German Royal House of Saxe-Courg und Gotha.
Here bloodline is all over the saxony-gotha- alenburg, etc, etc, principalities. Ernst II is a blood relative of the Queen. She is a renowned icon within German and Austrian secret societies as well as the german mystic ayran cults for her blood purity. It is a known fact that the Illuminati sprang from the Enlightenment. This is most noticeable with the Medici dynasty during the renaissance and enlight.
SunBeamsan 1 year ago
nice work
alunissons 1 year ago
ONE last thing I swear, I just read down and realized I already addressed the fact that Pearl Harbor was not a false flag (but just as bad) This post: "While this was not a FALSE FLAG attack, it was ADMITTEDLY (find the documents) INSTIGATED. We PUSHED them do to it. They WANTED the war and they didn't care how many innocent people had to die to start it. I don't know about you but I don't particularly like to see innocent people die, and I think WHOEVER is doing it has to be STOPPED." -WR
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
Before I go I will address the common theme of us not having any evidence to back certain things up. Well, sometimes there is evidence of course, many theories have simply come true. Most of them, to be perfectly honest. But when there isn't, it's often a perception issue. A false paranoid perception? Perhaps... sometimes. But Like I said, most of it pans out the way we say it will. :\ Now, the NWO of course we all know is coming to pass as we've said, the only question, is it evil? We'll see.
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
@xWickedXRabbitx ...and if we enter a Police State....much of the population is killed off, Americans put in concentration camps...all I can say is we tried to warn you. Even if you don't believe any of it, how about we try to keep our freedom. Let's not pass bills that destroy the constitution. Is that too much to ask? Wait yeah I guess it is, it's already been destroyed. Mark my words, there is a terrorist attack or something of that latitude coming. The doors have been opened for martial law.
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
@xWickedXRabbitx ...and the next 911 will open them.
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
@xWickedXRabbitx Stop listening to Alex Jones, please.
rob0rat 1 year ago
I will say you're the only anti-theory fellow that seems intelligent enough to bother discussing it with. Cheers. Let's hope you're right :)
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
...and again about the swastikas, I can't help what ignorant people put on pottery, I'm speaking of the literal meaning, simply a cross spinning. Clockwise = Positive Counterclockwise = Negative, very simple.
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
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xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
@xWickedXRabbitx
1. There is no 33rd degree in regular masonry. Most systems do not extent over 10 gedrees.
2. Pearl Harbour was not a false flag operation. It was an assault by the japanese and they do not deny this.
3. You find swastikas in all kinds of directions on stone age pottery and no one can tell you what the people carving them in are actually thinking about it
4. The Germans had a unifying hatred, this is why they all complied.
Hochdorff 1 year ago
@Hochdorff Just because I mentioned false flag attacks doesn't mean I meant that specifically about pearl harbor. We pushed them into it purposely, this is common knowledge. Cut off trade etc. 10th degree masons are of no concern to me other than that they are influenced by higher ranking members of other systems (political agendas etc). Pawns. My swastika thing isn't a theory, just saying that's how it is supposed to work. We have patriotism and ignorance, and hatred of an invisible enemy.
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
@Hochdorff 10th Degree masons are of no concern other than that they are influenced by higher degrees of other systems, politically etc. Pearl harbor was indeed not a false flag, but we admittedly pushed them into it, cutting of trades etc. What I said about the swastikas is the general idea of how it is supposed to work, period. Germans had hatred, we have patriotism and ignorance, coupled with the hatred and fear of an phantom enemy.
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
@Hochdorff "...1. There is no 33rd degree in regular masonry..."...yes there is...at least according to them...but if you know better then actual Grand Master...then who are we to argue....and btw there is a blue masonery that have 3 degrees and red that have 33....
CeeDeeHR 1 year ago
@CeeDeeHR Oh sorry, this is true, the "Ancient and accepted Scottish Rite" has 33 degrees. I did not realize this, because where I live they do not work them all. My apology for this.
Hochdorff 1 year ago
BTW (yes I looked it up :p) Pearl Harbor: The overall death toll reached 2,350, including 68 civilians, and 1,178 injured. While this was not a FALSE FLAG attack, there was ADMITTEDLY (find the documents) INSTIGATED. We PUSHED them do to it. They WANTED the war and they didn't care how many innocent people had to die to start. I don't know about you but I don't particularly like to see innocent people die, and I think WHOEVER is doing it has to be STOPPED.
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
Yes Washington, sorry. Mistake on my part actually, when you used W. I thought Washington. Ya know it is interesting though, there is little to no actual evidence of the "Illuminati" per say, so it is something you have me thinking about. I'm pretty confident SOMEONE is pulling some rather corrupt strings though. Like you say, most of the symbolism you find all over the place is MASONIC. I've just been lead to believe the Illuminati is at the top of masonry. I'll have to look into this some more
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
@xWickedXRabbitx
This symbolism is a human need, this is why you find it. Most masonic symbols derive from christianity and this is the source for others as well. Same source, different meaning. Anyway, there is not much published in english about the Illuminati that is right, but there are plenty of sources (primary and secondary) in german. This is what I read and I know how to use such sources.
Hochdorff 1 year ago
@Hochdorff ...and most Christian symbols derive from paganism. Again, the meanings we derive from such symbols are based on where they come from and their affiliations, generally Free Masons. In that case we assume the symbols have masonic meanings, which point blank is the worship of Lucifer, the Light Bearer. I don't know about this Adam fellow but the general idea behind the Illuminati is that it is simply a group of 13 bloodlines.
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
@xWickedXRabbitx Now, whether Weishaupt was one of these I don't know, and I'm not going to look it up and PRETEND like I do.....But the idea isn't that some group started and did this or that, but it is believed that Free Masonry among other secret societies were put together by these bloodlines. Now, assuming A W. had something to do with any of this, I know from reading history books, information about certain people is often written in the eye of the beholder or to portray them as intended.
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
@xWickedXRabbitx Honestly I've only seen Adam Weishaupt mentioned in one conspiracy film that I've watched, and I thought the idea they presented about him looking like Washington was moronic. The 13 bloodlines is what we're interested in.
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
@xWickedXRabbitx
The triangle is something rather easy to explain in christian symbolism, it points dirctly to the trinity of god and God himself is called in the bible "the all-seeing": Even the darkness does not keep him from seeing (Psalm 139:11-12). But anyway, symbols can change meaning and some meanings might get lost and they got filled with new meaning, e.g. the swastika.
Most Masons are christians, some are jews and even fewer are muslims.
Do "bloodlines" determine behaviour?
Hochdorff 1 year ago
@Hochdorff Mhm. They worship Lucifer. The christian Masons are not at the 33rd degree, and the leaders could care less whom or what they worship unless they deem them worthy.
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
@Hochdorff The meaning behind the swastika changes depending on which way the cross is spinning. Most people don't realize that it is a spinning cross. Counter-Clockwise = Evil, Clockwise it's actual a good thing.
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
@Hochdorff When the triangle is used to represent trinity, it is referring to the pagan trinity. Christians are, for the most part, against icons. It appears on the NIV because the NIV is a doctored version. Really? most masons are Christians? Come on now. Don't try to make this look like a christian conspiracy.
rob0rat 1 year ago
@rob0rat What pagan trinity would that be?
Christians are against icons? Well tell this to the orthodox branche. Most masons are christians and it is not a conspiracy masons are an organisation that maintains a certain privacy and they have every right to do it.
Hochdorff 1 year ago
Either way, there are still some really corrupt things going on in our government, and that's what I'm interested in. But in the end, I do believe the Illuminati exists. I can't prove it, but there's no proof what you've read is true either. It's like believing everything you read in a history book. I practice what I preach as well, I certainly don't buy everything Alex Jones or David Icke try to sell me either. Lizard people? lol I don't know about that.
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
It's not a fun thing to be aware of, and I wish none of it were true. I don't "Want" to see evil in everything, but it's out there. Patriotism makes it hard for people to believe that WE are the evil. If there's no Illuminati, fine. But we are in a state of deep deep corruption and it needs to stop. One problem IS the false information some conspiracy theorists come up with, it discredits a lot of things that seriously need to be looked into.
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
When 9/11 happened I immediately thought, "ya know, I bet we did that". I wasn't even into conspiracy's then, it's just so obvious..people lack critical thinking and awareness, partly because of the poison they put in our food and water. Massively because of mass hypnosis and brainwashing through the media and school. Take some time to look into what started prior wars, not the text book reasons but the real reasons, and tell me, why wouldn't they do it again?
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
@xWickedXRabbitx
Do you know how many people must be involved by what you are implying? And this means every single one of them has to walk in line. And all the media and schools in South America, Europe, Africa, Asia and Australia brainwashes too? No way.
In false flag operations - to which you are refering - no one dies, at least no one from one owns side.
Hochdorff 1 year ago
@Hochdorff That wouldn't take very many people at all..........and no one dies? If they're willing to start a WAR with a false flag operation....wow........how many die in the war? ....so how would a false flag operation that doesn't directly "cause" death be anymore plausible or acceptable? Come on you seem like a nice guy so I don't wanna be a dick but, gimme a fucking break....back to the other thing, I don't understand why you think that would be so difficult...
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
@Hochdorff "Walk the Line" I mean....how many had to "walk the line" during the Holocaust? Look, with enough money ONE person behind the scenes could easily accomplish something like this, and that's not even what I'm implying. Most of the people "walking the line" don't realize that's what they're doing.
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
The debunking just bothers me because there are people behind the scenes that need to be stopped, I don't care if they call themselves the Sunshine Bears.
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
@xWickedXRabbitx
And who are these people? What do they do that must be stopped?
Hochdorff 1 year ago
@Hochdorff Do you ever pay attention to what's going on or you do just watch the local news? Have you read the patriot act? Are you aware that other wars are ADMITTEDLY false flag operations? Would an Anarchist group be arrested in a sane society after vandalizing an area? Or would they be housed for free by the authorities? *ding* That doesn't lead you to believe they are working for them? There's evidence that they PUT them there in order to have a reason to come out and beat protesters.
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
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xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
@xWickedXRabbitx Just some minor examples of some corrupt things that go on. Everything us "conspiracy theorists" have told you was going to happen is now OPENLY happening. The NWO is being put together, period. Our freedom and privacy is being taken away at an accelerated rate, there's abundant proof of them poisoning our food and water, and nobody gives a damn. They think it's funny like we wear tinfoil hats. Wake the hell up already. Even if they don't put us in concentration camps and kill
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
@xWickedXRabbitx .. . . and kill us off, we're still being led into a police state. I mean read the bills man, it's fact. It's happening. The constitution is gone. It's a very simple thing, like with the "Anarchists". Problem, Reaction, Solution. They CREATE a problem, we FREAK OUT, and they come up with a solution that requires us to give up certain writes so they can "SAVE" us. By everyone else in the world, we are considered pure evil. There's a reason for that. We ARE the great Satan.
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
W. wrote it in some letter, you'd have to google it.
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
@xWickedXRabbitx He was talking specifically about masonry though, not Illuminati.
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
@xWickedXRabbitx You are referring to Washington? (That would be little mistake on my part, because I refer to Weishaupt as W.)
Hochdorff 1 year ago
An Enlightened form of Monarchy? That doesn't sound like a NWO to you? Anyway, despite the fact that there's a good chance most of your research is filled with misinformation (even if not it still has no relevance) you just go on and on about "some" people believe this or "some" people believe that....well I don't believe any of these things you point out to begin with. Regardless, even if every bit of information you have is true, what is important is what the Illuminati became AFTER his death.
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
@xWickedXRabbitx
Are you implying that the alledged NWO will be a form of enlightened monarchy? I say these about some people because the conspiracy theorist-scene is very erratic and eclectic. As you said not everybody shares the same believes. The history of the order ends around 1787. There are some modern imposters, but between the original order and the first imposter-group is a gap of over 100 years. The imposters and the original order had nothing in common.
Hochdorff 1 year ago
@Hochdorff Illuminati = The Enlightened Ones. A Monarchy involving the Illuminati would be the New World Order. The history ends because it is a secret society. There's really no way to prove or disprove it, It's just something I believe exists, maybe that's not even the name they use. Free masonic ties are easy to find, I believe the Illuminati to be at the top, maybe not. But someone is and they hold the ideals we believe to be held by the "Illuminati". That's what I call them :\
xWickedXRabbitx 1 year ago
Enlightenment is a philosophical and theological term and all kinds of people named themselves after this. But they are not necessarily inter-related. The Bavarian Illuminati were aristocrats and only loosly connected to some contemporary monarchs. The monarchs themself had some ideas about enlightenment. It was a term quite popular at these times.
Anyway, these things are of course provable. To tools to do this are the historical record and logic.
Hochdorff 1 year ago
An enlightened form of monarchy. Neat!
rcssaxby 2 years ago
He was a mason and rebuilt a church, smells of rosicrucian beliefs to me and that leads to new world order, be cool with it after all the fighting is over it will be real cool.
spreadneck7 2 years ago
What the heck are you talking about?
Hochdorff 2 years ago
lol you end with an eye in an eye
1kevmon 2 years ago
So is like all the gov. illuminati bullshit like debunked? Cuz all that stuff scared the shit out of me you know.
LiamGdeel 2 years ago
search TED GUNDERSON: FBI CHIEF. In two lectures he proves the existance of the real illuminati working today.
shivadance777 2 years ago
That is the guy that came up with his bs after his retirement and who quotes as his biggest inspiration and source the antisemite William Carr.
Btw. Gunderson believes also that a governmental satanic cult kidnaps children to abuse them and murder them in rituals. And other stupid things like that.
I see he is a very reliable source...
Hochdorff 2 years ago
The point is he is a former chief of the Los Angeles FBI department. ppl, just watch his (Ted Gunderson's) video lectures.
The NWO is unfolding before our eyes; the plans of the illuminati are in full swing. Ted Gunderson's info is 100% true, there are whistle blowers coming out all over the place these days. Message me with your email and I will send you an email of all my best videos of evidence.
Find the facts and act.
With respect Hochdorff,
sd777
shivadance777 2 years ago
"The point is he is a former chief of the Los Angeles FBI department. "
See, that is a classical argumentum ad verecundiam (appeal to authority). And if the Queen of England has said what Gunerson said it would still remain bs.
From my answer you can see I obviously know Gunderson and his views, hence to advise his video lectures is a bit awkward. The rest of your message are just empty phrases.
You can send me a pm if you like.
Hochdorff 2 years ago
Great info! Makes a lot of sense. It would be great if you can link the source for further research.
theshrinkinfo 2 years ago
It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am. The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of separation).
-George Washington
8Thirst 2 years ago
Yep..and?
Hochdorff 2 years ago
Nice. I am unable to draw your conclusions from the scarse info in the videos, but your points are valid. -But isn't the idea that W concieved the 'system', once public domain he had no idea how his memes fared?
gnimmelfYT 2 years ago
Sorry, I don't know esactly what you mean. Please can you specify the problem?
Hochdorff 2 years ago
I didn't understand that one either. Is it a coincidence that people who are unable to draw quite reasonable conclusions are incoherent? Nope.
dsglop 2 years ago
loving this music
redyulan86 2 years ago
Good series on Weishaupt. I hope you make more. You alluded to the fact that you were planning on doing another one once, I hope you haven't changed your mind.
dsglop 2 years ago
I certainly will. I want to do a fourth part in this series to show how contemporaries saw Weishaupt. That deepens the picture. Afterwards I turn to the Order itself, but till then it's a lot of reading.
Thanks for your interest!
Hochdorff 2 years ago
Correction, just the Korn part was shit.
yuothineyesasian 2 years ago
What's wrong with it?
Hochdorff 2 years ago
Great vid, shit music.
yuothineyesasian 2 years ago