For people who always try to hide behind the, "What if she or the baby could die during childbirth?" excuse, technology has come so far in the past 10 years. Especially in the medical field. I RARELY hear that a woman dies due to complications anymore. Not that it doesnt happen ever. I'm just saying that giving birth is not the same as giving birth 20 or 30 years ago. And whos to say the baby will die? Give him a fighting chance! Doctors are wrong ALL the time.
You want to know what is funny, the vast majority of these people against abortion are for castle laws, death penalty, etc. Comparative to a castle law, if someone invades my home, I have every right to remove it by force, if something enters my body against my choice, I have every right to remove it by force. Being a fetus doesn't trump basic Autonomy, my body isn't an incubator. Sorry folks, sex isn't a crime to be punished for, and its not a contract to get pregnant
The eyes and spinal cord are visible and the developing brain has two lobes.
4 Weeks after Fertilization
The heart is beating and a circulatory system is in place. The portion of the brain associated with consciousness (the cerebrum) and internal organs such as the lungs are beginning to develop and can be identified.
And this before most women even realize they are pregnant, weeks before early abortions occur.
When I watch this guy I think his father must be proud of him. I have shown these clips to my 16 year old boy, so he can see the stupidity of liberals. Especially the Berkley one!!! To show him you don't have to be bright to go to college, just say the right stuff!!!
Keep up the good fight Steven. G-d bless this guy.
@bojanks15 that girl is the 1%, well actually it's closer to 1/3 of 1% but anyway abortions from rape victims make up a small percent of all abortions
I dont lean on that 1% so as to have a more "presentable& acceptable" argument. I feel - a woman's reasons are HERS,thats good enough for me. She doesnt have to justify herself to me.
I believe pro-lifics themselves make a lot of hay with that 1% stat. They can indulge in supporting that 1% because its a small figure. Being against ALL abortions comes across looking really heartless and doctrinnaire.
lol -- You wanna explain the pro-lifter's position that "abortion is murder, but its not a legal issue" ? Hexl is from a dummass red state, we always ranked #45, 47, 48 in edumacation and I aint the sharpest tool in the shed.
How do you make a "good" argument out of that position?
@Hexl702 "abortion is murder, but its not a legal issue"
Oh yes, see abortion is murder because it's killing an actual biological human being. Unfortunately this kind of behavior is no longer a legal issue because some dottering old retards on the SCOTUS forgot to take high school biology. (Which is a good argument for why we should not have senile fools on the Supreme Court)
Not all killing is murder -- hell we have five kinds of illegal killing and several kinds of legal killing.
If you think abortion should be a charge of 1st deg. murder -- well go to town! If youve got some bright ideas on how to bring that about, clue in the pro-loafers
because theyve been stumped for 38 years now. NONE of the pro-lip
Abortions are fun and good for the environment, and they're totally metal. Babies are ruining our flights and shitting everywhere, something needs to be done! What do Hitler, Capone, Stalin, Bin Laden, Bush, Jong Il, Hussein, and that child pimp from slumdog millionaire all have in common?
LOL I Love this kind of moronic dribble people call debate. Oh you do think a person should have a right to kill a fetus? And? Is that your argument? You dont want your tax dollars to go towards abortion? LOL and what do you think my tax dollars will go towards to help all the unwanted newborns? Youd spend my taxes on orphanages, and jail time for the mothers so stfu plz. Whats your solution you stupid coward. ?? Fund abortions through charity? LOL ok. Im for that if itll shut u up.
@LINDSAYLIKEOMG """men have no place in the abortion debate""
NO NO NO -- please dont say that! Men are pro choice, too. Men decided RoeVWade. Male politicians defend the right to choose. Male cops haul off pro-loafers blocking the clinics.
Male doctors courageously provide reproductive services in difficult circumstances, and
That's a pretty shitty way to look at the abortion debate. I mean if you really feel that way then you must not understand what constitutes the human body. The brain for example is part of the human body. A man can be affected by abortion if he didn't want the abortion to occur. Especially if he was the father of the child to be. He will forever have that memory. He will forever wonder what might have been. His heart could break. So, YES a mans body can be affected by abortion.
@xSamWaynex ""YES, a man's body can be affected by abortion""
LOL I dont believe my own eyes. "Can be" is the operative word here. But if a guy is a jerk who loves em and leaves em, his body wont be affected at all ! Maybe a 50% of a man's body being "affected"
But thats different from the 100 PERCENT CERTAINTY that a womans body will be affected by pregnancy. She gets the say-so over what happens to her bodily and physically, its not YOUR call.
So you dismiss what I have to say out of probability? Ok let's take that logic and run with it. A person is told they have a 50-50 chance of having a certain disease, and they should get tested so they know. Well by your logic it wouldn't matter either way because it's only 50% possible so it doesn't matter. Good thing not everyone thinks like you hexl.
You are right a man doesn't do the nine months, nor could he. Sorry about biology working out for us men that way. A woman does decide what happens to her physically. In most cases the woman decided to have unprotected sex with a man, and then decides to use abortion as a scapegoat. You are making women look bad hexl. Very very bad. Why should a women have the freedom to kill someone and get away with it? This shouldn't be a right anyone should have.
I'll wait for your rebuttal using semantics saying that the unborn isn't a person. We both know that the evidence says otherwise. Doctors who specialize in the field have said that the unborn are indeed people. They are indeed human beings, and the definition shows this. But please go ahead and throw out your rhetoric like most pro-abortionists do. And I have seen you do this countless times yourself as well. But I'll still wait for it anyway. This should be interesting to say the least
@ArkansasWrestler """why is assaulting a preg woman causing miscarriage..manslaughter""
States with fetal homicide laws -- STILL differentiate that from abortion. A woman's motive in abortion -- is to end the pregnancy. Someone killing a fetus from without,
It appears that recently the pro baby killing folks have started using the " What if the mother could die without it" approach. Putting the bad rep on pro life folks for wanting women to die if we still don't agree with abortion in that case.
@melsop54 '"putting the bad rep on pro lite folks for wanting women to die'""
lol You object to being characterized? Thats hilarious coming from the folks calling prochoice people "nazis babykillers , equal to Stalin and Hitler.""
Theres hysterical rhetoric on both sides. Roe v Wade is the issue. If the prolite folks dont like abortion theyll
have to make it illegal. ILLEGAL. Righteous indignation isnt worth a fart in a hurricane.
I find it ironic that he doesn't mind destroying the planet we live on but he wants more babies that we don't have the resources to adequately take care of.
We are destroying our home. There was an electric car that was going to come out that would have been great, it would have saved people money, and helped our home. But everything involving the car was destroyed because it would have been a major rival against oil companies.
@johnnyboy2537 We aren't running out of any of these things. Let me guess you believe in man made global warming and that Al Gore invented the internet. As for electric cars or any other alternative fuel vehicles if they can be produced in free market and actually compete with gas cars I'm all for that. If they govt subsidies and special regulations to compete then to hell with them.
@americafirst2012 Of course Al Gore didn't invent the internet. Obviously we have an effect on our environment. Ozone is thinning and 120,000 people die yearly from smog. That is 40 times the number of people who died in 9/11 and we don't do anything. We can't feed the people in Africa and we are unbelievabely cruel to chickens. We are slowly killing ourselves but hey, we have Hummers.
@johnnyboy2537 Regardless of how chickens a treated their numbers are in no way in decline asshat. Hell if Spotted Owls were tasty when they were deep fried they wouldn't be endangered. You care about chickens but not unborn children what a laughably typical PETArd. If you are so concerned about overpopulation do something to decrease it -- kill yourself! One less leftist in the world is always a good thing!
@americafirst2012 I hate PETA. And unfortunately my favorite thing for dinner is chicken piccata. I'm saying abortions are ultimately down to the party. Not a bunch morons in suits who invade the wrong country because of WMD's that weren't there or God's orders. I'm saying we don't need more babies. The population is almost at 7 billion and we can't take care of the people we have now. Why would I kill myself? I can contribute something. You though...
Would be really good if people would think about that BEFORE getting pregnant, amirite? By that logic, let's launch a nuke to a random city somewhere. Let's encourage war and disable disaster relief. Let's discourage drug research.
The reason electric cars aren't making it big is because they are inefficient, expensive and need high maintenance. Stop demonizing oil so much. It gets you a lot more than just fuel - plastics, wax, asphalt, tar, naphtha, lubricants.. and more.
@DraughtOfPeace I know right? Why didn't that rape victim carry a taser? Why didn't that chick choose dying over delivering a baby that was killing her? That makes sense. I'm not saying we shouldn't help people at all. I'm saying we're not even acknowledging we're running out of resources. Of course we should help the suffering. As for your electric car comment. Google "Who killed the Electric Car?" We were close to making a great car that we would spend less money on fuel with.
Recently, a 10 year old Cub Scout asked me why people who claim to be smart think it is bad to kill convicted murderers, but it it is good to be able to kill unborn babies. How do I answer that question? (Other than telling him that those people are really stupid!)
Giraffes: "It doesn't matter if it's extremely rare or not. Were not allowing people to go free and kill 100s of innocent people, were putting them in prison."
LOL!!! Murderers, serial rapists, etc, get released ALL THE TIME and CONTINUE to do what they did!
"What if one of those was your family or friends. You support law that Might kill people who don't deserve it."
It doesn't intentionally do that, though. Your point is invalid.
They're not children until the 24th week when they're able to live outside the mother's body, also happens to be the cut-off to have an abortion under PP v. Casey. Until then they are essentially parasitic organisms dependent on the host organism to live. Most of the children aborted, if allowed to live, would be born into circumstances in which the mother had neither the means nor the desire to properly care for them. But you conservatives wouldn't want to help out at that point would you?
@Drudy90 Oh? Then explain how a 21 week old was able to live outside the mother's body. Furthermore, who are you to say that it's ONLY when they can live outside the mother's body that they are to be considered children?
@amanda2324 The general medical concensus is that the point of viability is between 20 and 24 weeks on average (obviously like any other population there are outliers). Who are you to say they are considered children 3 days into gestation when they are a blastocyst, or a cluster of 150 nondescript cells, their only human characteristic being their chromosome count. If that is a human life then you commit genocide every time you scratch your nose.
@Drudy90 They're not -just- a cluster of cells. That's a logical fallacy. And it's not only their chromosome count, they have individual, human DNA as well that is completely different from the mothers. And my nose isn't a human life, it's only a part of my body, it functions like a part of my body, and it will never cease being part of my body unless some sort of outside element forces it too.
Drudy........consensus is your idea of scientific certitude? Galileo was perhaps 1% of the "scientific" community of his day. The scientific community was all on the same page: the Earth was the center of the Universe. Galileo was indeed a minority. Being a minority doesn't make you wrong.
@ChickenFaeces Sperm+egg= child, not egg+egg, nor sperm+sperm. My point? While a woman carries the child, the unborn child is still one half of the father. Thus, it shouldn't be only a woman's decision whether to kill the helpless, undefended unborn child. Leaving your racist comment alone, I think that maybe you should rethink how a pro-life father would feel if his anti-child girlfriend got an abortion, thus killing his son or daughter.
@ChickenFaeces Sperm+egg= child, not egg+egg, nor sperm+sperm. My point? While a woman carries the child, the unborn child is still one half of the father. Thus, it shouldn't be only a woman's decision whether to kill the helpless, undefended unborn child. Leaving your racist comment alone, I think that maybe you should rethink how a pro-life father would feel if his anti-child girlfriend got an abortion, thus killing his son or daughter.
@ChickenFaeces Okay, then let's ignore the countless white people who were in support of ending slavery. Wether you're asian, black, caucasion, hispanic doesn't matter. We're all human beings. The sooner we can get past color the better. It's wrong to kill a child in the womb no matter what color, and "white boy's" will continue to protest abortion wether it affects them directly or not. Slaves didn't have a voice at one point and now children in the womb don't. But women do.
I"m not racist, believe me, I just think it's hilarious that white men are the ones dictating what decisions get to be made by A) women, with most statistically being B) black women.
@ChickenFaeces Please clarify by what you mean, "with most statistically being." Also, why can't the word you used "women" also encompass black women. Can't black women just be women. You're still focusing on color. Is getting an abortion killing the woman or is it killing the child inside the woman? if it's killing the child, which it is, then how is that affecting the woman? She will be alive after the abortion and the child will be dead.
Thats not really a response to what I asked. Public money is the issue, you seemed to say. So if abortions dont involve public funds, then theyre not a problem?
These people argue that circumcision should be banned because should be the kid's choice, and yet they don't care what the kid thinks when they snuff it out in the womb.
Awesome job man! I heard a quote, "Its a sad and terrible moment in a nations history, when its citizens are given the right to kill their own children."
@dwall057 Well look at this way...if we keep it legal only people who only pro-choice will do it...Thus, their offspring will go down. I can't think of a better example of natural selection.
@ryddelwearsahat I love how you guys will fight tooth and nail for the life of a psychopathic killer, but when it comes to an innocent unborn baby you guys say, "AHHHHHH WHATEVER!".
@007chucknorris007 Why kill a baby, when it can be adopted..? Oh, wia,t are you confusing a developing fetus that cannot think or feel, and is completely parasitic in nature to an actual born, active baby? Eh, I could go either way on abortion(not execution or murder- how illogical to misuse words like that! a fetus isn't a person, and committed no crime, so it can't BE 'murdered' or 'executed' and that's not the context of an abortion anyway!) really, b/c it depends on the woman.
@007chucknorris007 And you CAN tell the future? Who cares- it is a potentiality only- whether the next einstein, or the next hitler- it's fairly even. So fuck potentiality- I care about ACTUALITY- the WOMAN, not the developing human meat.
@007chucknorris007 says:I love how you guys will fight tooth and nail for the life of a psychopathic killer, but when it comes to an innocent unborn baby you guys say, "AHHHHHH WHATEVER!".
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I love how YOU guys equate a living breathing person, who is loved and can love...criminal or not, to a god damned unknown entity with the consciousness level of a frickin earthworm!! God bless the village idiots
the brain isn't fully developed until very late in the pregnancy. child cant feel pain until it's brain is developed enough. (Pain is all in the brain if you didn't know.) I think it should be cheap to decide what you want to do with something that is still a part of your body. Most conservatives don't look up facts though. they just blabble nonsense
@Giraffes90 Please cite a source to back up your claims. So what if they CHILD can't feel pain? There are born people, adults and children alike, who cannot feel pain. Is it okay to murder them? If the doctors put something in me that makes me numb, am I no longer human? No. Please provide some real arguments and actual facts.
@Giraffes90 Excuse me? Are you making an assumption that it's ONLY because of the Bible that I am Pro-Life? Stop making assumptions. Anyway, yes I do support the death penalty - but for reasons other than the Bible.
And just because this is a few thousand years later doesn't mean it's -not- true. Truth is unaffected by time.
Actually yeah I was, it's where people started the argument anyway. Your pro-life and support the death penalty? So what if someone puts to death an innocent man (it happens alot in texas)? pro-life people call pro-choice people "baby killers" should I start calling you a "people killer"?
@Giraffes90 "Actually yeah I was, it's where people started the argument anyway." So? Not a very valid reason to jump the gun.
"So what if someone puts to death an innocent man (it happens alot in texas)?" It's called a mistake. Duh. Oh, are humans magically supposed to be perfect and never make mistakes? What about the thousands of innocent people who are put in jail, and their lives are ruined because of it?
To that last line, no, you can't. It would be very illogical and uneducated of you.
@amanda2324 No i dont think innocent people should die. I dont think it's worth killing people who killed people when you could be wrong and kill the innocent. If your put in jail and later they find out you were innocent. Guess what? you go free. "their lives are ruined because of it" it's better to die?
to that last line. Yes i can, Let me get this straight, You think innocent people should die (mistakes over peoples lives is something that shouldnt happen anyway). Your a people killer.
@Giraffes90 "I dont think it's worth killing people who killed people when you could be wrong and kill the innocent." Well, if you're "killing people who killed people," then by the logic of that statement, we're killing the guilty ones. Furthermore, it's extremely rare that an innocent is executed. I think it's better to kill a few innocents, then allow murderers to kill hundreds of innocents.
No, I can't be a people killer - I don't kill people. Please grow up and get some maturity. =3
@amanda2324 It doesn't matter if it's extremely rare or not. Were not allowing people to go free and kill 100s of innocent people, were putting them in prison.
10,000 people are wrongfully convicted of crimes every year. What if one of those was your family or friends. You support law that Might kill people who don't deserve it.
I don't personally kill babies, But people call me a baby killer for supporting abortion. Im done arguing idc anymore be ignorant. Good Day
Yo dude. I don't personally kill babies either, but I support your right to support killing babies. I mean, after all, they aren't solid democrat voters yet. Sheesh!
A growing baby isn't exactly part of the mother's body.. I wonder if you've seen that pic of a baby still in its mother's womb being operated on? 4 months along, she grabbed the doctor's finger. I'm not going to debate the stages of brain growth during pregnancy. If something is a part of your body, it performs some function of utility to the body. The baby does none of that. He/she grows, expends resources and finally leaves the body.
@DraughtOfPeace """a growing baby isnt exactly part of the mothers body""
LOL you belong in comedy! You clucks ALWAYs show the fetus as a stand-alone, as if theres no woman
encompassing it. Thats misleading propaganda. You HAVE to factor in the woman. You cant affect a fetus without affecting a woman. Why oh why do you dips keep trying to
disappear the WOMAN?
A fetus is only a separate body AFTER the abortion.
No, it's not.. the baby is a separate entity even before delivery, and even the mother's body treats it as such. The woman had the freedom to have sex without protection, and upon exercise of this freedom and subsequent pregnancy, accompanies the responsibility to properly deliver the baby..
@DraughtOfPeace"""The woman had the freedom to have sex without protection, and upon exercise of this freedom and subsequent pregnancy, accompanies the responsibility to properly deliver the baby.""
There's no rule, and that's my point. The law is legalizing something that is inherently wrong. Just because a law says something is legal, doesn't mean it's right.
LOL silly -- Thats what I'M trying to tell YOU. Legan doesnt mean its right. Abortion being legal doesnt mean its grand, fantastic, and we're giving it a hearty thumbs up.
@DraughtOfPeace The fact of the matter here is that your voting against for people who are raped and people who are poor who accidently get pregnant. There lives are ruined and you don't care. Because a sperm cell entered an egg. i don't agree with late pregnancy abortions because they are messed up, the baby at that point feel what the doctor is doing... what are you trying to defend here? The baby grabbed the doctors hand there for we should take away the rights of women.
The baby is not a separate entity only after being separated from the mother, it begins being a separate entity since conception, and the body treats it as such. What I'm trying to defend here is the baby's right to life.
Is this guy an ideologue or is he just promoting himself? If you want to know what happens when a country outlaws abortion just research the communist Ceaușescu's 1966 decree.
The result of what happened there wasn't purely because abortion was outlawed; it was the combined effect of a lack of sex education, information relevant to pregnancy, delivery, etc, ban on condoms and other methods of preventing unwanted pregnancies and a host of other policies and measures. To say that the scenario at the time was caused purely by the abortion ban is a gross misrepresentation of fact.
Think about it. Condoms were outlawed, and so were medical procedures that would prevent pregnancies. This meant pregnancies will occur whether the couple desires or not, leaving them with no chance to prevent it. Also, the country was languishing in poverty, which made people dread another addition to the family, and hence turn to back-alley abortions. You can't compare a scene like that to a developed and free country today..
So wait. Does this guy actually make informed decisions or just slam every liberal agenda? I was behind him for a couple videos but the more I watch more more I realize he spends way too much time on the fox new channel asking himself "how can I be even more bias and outrageous than these gods among men,"
Life is a gift, and destroying a baby that you could have fully prevented in the fist place just makes you a self-centered killer. There are tons of infertile husbands and wives that would give everything they have for a chance to have a baby, and people just wanna throw them away because it makes them a little "uncomfortable". I think that says something about how quickly our world is falling apart.
How can someone who is for the "sanctity of life" be pro war and death penalty? It makes no sense whatsoever. "You're marketing murder and targeting lower income underprivileged families". Yeah, is that any different from what the military does? Seriously, do you think that lower income families popping out kids left and right is a positive thing? I'm not particularly for abortion but it's better than adding more people to the system. You only care about that cute little baby until it's grown.
We need more abortions, not less! Waaaay too many people pumping out their little rats right now! We're going to end up like China with well over a billion people. That's what teabaggers want, evidently. Millions of low-income morons having way too many units that the state has to feed. These people always talk about "sanctity of life". They need to be more concerned with "quality of life".
Great video…for those who think abortion is not legalized murder, I urge you to check out the stories of Gianna Jessen & Melissa Ohden. They both survived saline abortion. Please check out their stories and share it with others.
The abortion issue actually is not up to Obama. In order to criminalize abortion, the United States Supreme Court would have to overturn its previous rulings in Roe v. Wade and later Casey. Have you considered that abortion will happen whether legal or not? Have you considered that greater access to health care and birth control would likely reduce abortions and unwanted children in general? It's policy like this that would make sense and should be common ground for both sides.
@revjoesaves exactly. people aren't going to stop having sex because abortion's been made illegal and they aren't going to quit having abortions. if anything, making abortion illegal just means pro-choicers are going to have more kids to raise, and that their kids are likely going to be pro-choice, too. the way I see it, either way, anti-choicers are destined to lose this battle.
I believe that abortion in the event of rape and the absolute life-or-death danger events are the only events in which an abortion should be legal. Unless the abortion is performed because of rape or the mother's life being in danger, it should be illegal. Period, black and white, the end.
Just because liberals are pro choice, you know freedom of choice...unheard of in the conservative doctrines I guess...it doesn't mean we are pro abortion.
@bluenytefalls Pro-Choice means your Pro-Abortion, this is a Black and white, your Anti or Pro. That child is alive or dead, It cant be more black and white.
So pro right to bear arms must be the same as pro shooting people, or pro death, right? Freedom of speech must be the same as pro lies, pro verbal abuse. People who use contraception must be pro human extinction, right?
Let me guess, they're different things right?
Spin it if you want, but people who can't see the world in any other colors than black and white are just taking the easy path.
@bluenytefalls So what? If one of the choices is immoral or unethical, then it is even more immoral or unethical to leave it as an option/legal. Therefore, your logic still doesn't add up. If you are for keeping something legalized, then you are pro-whatever it is. So, since you are for keeping abortion legalized, you are Pro-Abortion. I have met people who are Pro-Life, but also Pro-Abortion. All Pro-Choicers are Pro-Abortion, though only some Pro-Life are also Pro-Abortion.
@amanda2324 How far are you willing to take this? Should adultery be illegal? Premarital sex? Divorce? If any "immoral" action should be illegal, how do you decide what is immoral? Until recently, many states still had laws that made sodomy illegal and thus homosexual sexual relations. Interestingly, the Supreme Court in Lawrence v. Texas said that an action being immoral was not good enough to make it illegal. If adultery should be illegal, what's the punishment? Premarital sex?
@amanda2324 I'm not off topic at all. You're giving us a theory on why immoral behavior, and thus abortion, should be illegal. I challenged that view, quite well I think, and your dodging the question. So again, if anything immoral should be illegal, how do we punish premarital sex and adultery? How do we know what is immoral and why does abortion fall into it. Thank you for pretty much conceding your wrong by not responding to my argument 3)
@amanda2324 You're resorting to name calling and won't respond to obvious flaws in your argument, and I'm the one that can't debate??? You're kidding right??? I'm done "debating" with you, as your obviously not interested in that. Please, please, please rethink your position on the anything illegal should be immoral position. It's countries like Iran that do that.
@revjoesaves Well then, if you want me to rethink my position, then I propose a dialogue. I never change my opinion over a debate, but I might be willing to at least think about it over a dialogue. In this dialogue, I will only be asking you questions and trying to understand where you are coming from, but I will not, say, debate over anything or try to prove to you why my side is better. Would you be up for that, or has my (and I admit it) childish comment ticked you off to much for that?
@amanda2324 How far are you willing to take this? Should adultery be illegal? Premarital sex? Divorce? If any "immoral" action should be illegal, how do you decide what is immoral? Until recently, many states still had laws that made sodomy illegal and thus homosexual sexual relations. Interestingly, the Supreme Court in Lawrence v. Texas said that an action being immoral was not good enough to make it illegal. If adultery should be illegal, what's the punishment? Premarital sex?
Taking the "moral" path isn't worth a dime if it wasn't a choice that was made willingly. Free will, ever heard of it? Pretty sure the bible made a big point of emphasizing it, if you cared about it at all.
I know it might hurt to think of things differently, but just because we want choice, it doesn't mean we are for abortions.
Besides which, I can't wait until people start unleashing law suits on others in the name of their unborn children: I miscarried and it's your fault!
@bluenytefalls Your logic fails. People make a LOT of choices unwillingly; they choose to obey the law, unwillingly, because they don't have a choice in the matter. It would be no different in this matter. And you STILL have yet to prove my point - if you are for keeping it legal, than you are Pro-Abortion, and there is nothing you have said that disproves it. Whether or not it should be legal is not what I'm getting at - if you are FOR keeping it legalized, then you are Pro-Abortion, period.
Miscarriage is simply another word for an abortion, albeit generally unplanned. It's not defined by "natural," as you say.
My point was that if you want to treat an unborn child with the rights of everyone else, be prepared to be sued on their unborn-behalf, because people will try to point fingers and get money. X company caused me to miscarry; man slaughter because someone fell from a flight of stairs and killed unborn child.
@bluenytefalls Now you're playing word games. Miscarriage is the unintentional, and unfortunate, loss of an unborn child, whereas abortion is the intentional killing of that unborn child. Miscarriage is a natural process, abortion is not. Miscarriage happens for a variety of reasons that are outside of the mother's control, whereas abortion is where the woman goes into a clinic and gets a doctor to kill the unborn child.
A. I'm not playing word games, I'm looking at the outcome of each scenario and comparing.
B. Legally speaking, there is no "natural process" in the definition of miscarriage. It is simply an event which has MANY causes, some natural, some not.
C. You are the one playing word games by constantly dodging the points I am making; if all you can do is draw a line in the sand, then you are simply supporting a stance without understanding why. Unfortunate, really.
@bluenytefalls A. No, you're not. You're saying that miscarriage is the same thing as an abortion where the mother has a doctor kill her baby. Which is untrue.
B. And again, that's playing word games. You know -exactly- what kind of abortion I'm talking about, and yet you insist on dancing to other possible meanings of the word to direct the debate somewhere else.
C. And you are doing the same thing, hypocrite. Unfortunate, really.
"You know -exactly- what kind of abortion I'm talking about, and yet you insist on dancing to other possible meanings of the word to direct the debate somewhere else."
Yes I do know what kind of abortion YOU mean, however in a nation of laws (John Adams), you have to be precise and aware of all the various instances attached to a particular situation/word. It's called seeing the big picture. The law can't just use the NARROW terms YOU want, but all of its interpretations.
A/B. It's precisely because miscarriages (death of an unborn child), and abortions (death of an unborn child) are so similar, and so interpretable that "pro-lifers" are both for the deprivation of basic rights and frivolous lawsuits.
@bluenytefalls A/B: Incorrect. Miscarriage (death of an unborn child) and abortion (MURDER of an unborn child) are NOT similar at all. One is the unintentional death of a child, while the other is the intentional slaughter of a child. Huge difference.
Ah so we've come to the circular part of your routine where I can now copy and paste my answer to virtually everything you've said:
Yes I do know what kind of abortion YOU mean, however in a nation of laws (John Adams), you have to be precise and aware of all the various instances attached to a particular situation/word. It's called seeing the big picture. A court won't just use the NARROW terms of a word that YOU want, but all of its interpretations and defining situations.
Fuck abortions, its like BITCH U SHOULD HAVE NOT GOT PREGNATE! Now take care of your own.
CaLxRoyalty 1 day ago
@CaLxRoyalty "'now take care of your own""
We've decided, a woman has the right to abort, and the opinions of the "belligerati"
dont count.
If the pro-lickers dont like that -- let em make abortion illegal. Ya gotta wonder why its been 39 years and they havent gotten it off the ground.
Hexl702 23 hours ago
@Hexl702 A woman has the right to do whatever she pleases, I just think abortions are wrong. And wtf is "belligerati"? Speak english son.
CaLxRoyalty 23 hours ago
While I am in the conservative spectrum, abotion is the one thing i lean left on.
I do think that a woman has the right, if both the parents agree, or if raped, to terminate an unwanted pregnancy.
Rsaramallac 1 week ago
For people who always try to hide behind the, "What if she or the baby could die during childbirth?" excuse, technology has come so far in the past 10 years. Especially in the medical field. I RARELY hear that a woman dies due to complications anymore. Not that it doesnt happen ever. I'm just saying that giving birth is not the same as giving birth 20 or 30 years ago. And whos to say the baby will die? Give him a fighting chance! Doctors are wrong ALL the time.
JoshFazzz 2 weeks ago
@JoshFazzz
LOL you just remember some people better than others. I dont hide behind no 1%
of the abortions.
I feel - the most selfish vain bitch in the world, who could afford a baby but simply doesnt
want one, because it might spoil her shape - has the right to terminate her pregnancy.
Its HER call, I dont decide these things for her.
Hexl702 1 week ago
steven thanks for this truth!!
ceya22005 1 month ago
You want to know what is funny, the vast majority of these people against abortion are for castle laws, death penalty, etc. Comparative to a castle law, if someone invades my home, I have every right to remove it by force, if something enters my body against my choice, I have every right to remove it by force. Being a fetus doesn't trump basic Autonomy, my body isn't an incubator. Sorry folks, sex isn't a crime to be punished for, and its not a contract to get pregnant
vampyres32 1 month ago
Here's MY ad:
Crowder is ordered by Obama to donate to blood banks. He is ordered by law, because we need to replenish supplies.. Its only asking
for a few minutes of his time, not 9 months.
I'll have 3 minutes of ""Crazy Steven" shrieking things like ''Obama cannot order me to
be altruistic against my will! Not even to save lives! My blood is MINE, I'm the decider!"
Saving lives would lose to his indignation at being forced. He wouldnt do it. It would a badge of honor to refuse.
Hexl702 1 month ago
Love this One!!
michelle1971ggtm 1 month ago
3 Weeks after Fertilization
The eyes and spinal cord are visible and the developing brain has two lobes.
4 Weeks after Fertilization
The heart is beating and a circulatory system is in place. The portion of the brain associated with consciousness (the cerebrum) and internal organs such as the lungs are beginning to develop and can be identified.
And this before most women even realize they are pregnant, weeks before early abortions occur.
MrBKainX 1 month ago 4
When I watch this guy I think his father must be proud of him. I have shown these clips to my 16 year old boy, so he can see the stupidity of liberals. Especially the Berkley one!!! To show him you don't have to be bright to go to college, just say the right stuff!!!
Keep up the good fight Steven. G-d bless this guy.
onemarktwoyou 1 month ago 3
Great stuff!
gwhpfan23537 1 month ago 3
The DNA for a whole new different person is made on the day of conception.
nimrodius 1 month ago 3
fucking crazy christians
its a fetus for godsake, you would probably make a 14 year old girl keep her baby after being raped by her dad
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@bojanks15 that girl is the 1%, well actually it's closer to 1/3 of 1% but anyway abortions from rape victims make up a small percent of all abortions
MrBKainX 1 month ago 2
@MrBKainX "''rape victims make up a small percent of all abortions""
And? Your point is?
The fact you dont like the reasons women get abortions, has no bearing on her right to get one.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 the point was the liberal media blows the whole "rape, incest, health issues" way out of proportion.
MrBKainX 4 weeks ago
@MrBKainX
I dont lean on that 1% so as to have a more "presentable& acceptable" argument. I feel - a woman's reasons are HERS,thats good enough for me. She doesnt have to justify herself to me.
I believe pro-lifics themselves make a lot of hay with that 1% stat. They can indulge in supporting that 1% because its a small figure. Being against ALL abortions comes across looking really heartless and doctrinnaire.
They getta lotta mileage out of it TOO.
Hexl702 3 weeks ago
Abortion may be bad, but its not THAT bad, or it would be a criminal charge by now.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 That's not a good argument. That's exactly what is being debated in the first place.
JohananRaatz 1 month ago
@JohananRaatz
lol -- You wanna explain the pro-lifter's position that "abortion is murder, but its not a legal issue" ? Hexl is from a dummass red state, we always ranked #45, 47, 48 in edumacation and I aint the sharpest tool in the shed.
How do you make a "good" argument out of that position?
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 "abortion is murder, but its not a legal issue"
Oh yes, see abortion is murder because it's killing an actual biological human being. Unfortunately this kind of behavior is no longer a legal issue because some dottering old retards on the SCOTUS forgot to take high school biology. (Which is a good argument for why we should not have senile fools on the Supreme Court)
JohananRaatz 1 month ago
@JohananRaatz
Not all killing is murder -- hell we have five kinds of illegal killing and several kinds of legal killing.
If you think abortion should be a charge of 1st deg. murder -- well go to town! If youve got some bright ideas on how to bring that about, clue in the pro-loafers
because theyve been stumped for 38 years now. NONE of the pro-lip
candidates out there now are saying that.
Hexl702 1 month ago
nocturnal emissions and miscarriages are free
theinstantt 2 months ago
I found this video both painstakingly funny and true because it slams liberals! Absolutely wonderful! You're a true artist!
WarriorXofXGallifrey 2 months ago
@WarriorXofXGallifrey ""it slams liberals! ""
Im gonna make a video where Steven Crowder merely stands by , while "babies are being SLODDERED!""
He knows its happening but doesnt lift a finger to help.
Kinda like the people who couldve helped YueYue, but didnt.
Hexl702 2 months ago
Abortions are fun and good for the environment, and they're totally metal. Babies are ruining our flights and shitting everywhere, something needs to be done! What do Hitler, Capone, Stalin, Bin Laden, Bush, Jong Il, Hussein, and that child pimp from slumdog millionaire all have in common?
NOT ABORTED.
C17Citadel 2 months ago
I meant "Oh you don't th ink a person should have a right to kill a fetus?"
vidfreak56 2 months ago
LOL I Love this kind of moronic dribble people call debate. Oh you do think a person should have a right to kill a fetus? And? Is that your argument? You dont want your tax dollars to go towards abortion? LOL and what do you think my tax dollars will go towards to help all the unwanted newborns? Youd spend my taxes on orphanages, and jail time for the mothers so stfu plz. Whats your solution you stupid coward. ?? Fund abortions through charity? LOL ok. Im for that if itll shut u up.
vidfreak56 2 months ago
Sigh...men have no place in the abortion debate. It doesn't and will never affect their bodies.
LINDSAYLIKEOMG 2 months ago
@LINDSAYLIKEOMG """men have no place in the abortion debate""
NO NO NO -- please dont say that! Men are pro choice, too. Men decided RoeVWade. Male politicians defend the right to choose. Male cops haul off pro-loafers blocking the clinics.
Male doctors courageously provide reproductive services in difficult circumstances, and
some male doctors have even been shot and killed.
Hexl702 2 months ago
That's a pretty shitty way to look at the abortion debate. I mean if you really feel that way then you must not understand what constitutes the human body. The brain for example is part of the human body. A man can be affected by abortion if he didn't want the abortion to occur. Especially if he was the father of the child to be. He will forever have that memory. He will forever wonder what might have been. His heart could break. So, YES a mans body can be affected by abortion.
xSamWaynex 1 month ago
@xSamWaynex ""YES, a man's body can be affected by abortion""
LOL I dont believe my own eyes. "Can be" is the operative word here. But if a guy is a jerk who loves em and leaves em, his body wont be affected at all ! Maybe a 50% of a man's body being "affected"
But thats different from the 100 PERCENT CERTAINTY that a womans body will be affected by pregnancy. She gets the say-so over what happens to her bodily and physically, its not YOUR call.
Hexl702 1 month ago
So you dismiss what I have to say out of probability? Ok let's take that logic and run with it. A person is told they have a 50-50 chance of having a certain disease, and they should get tested so they know. Well by your logic it wouldn't matter either way because it's only 50% possible so it doesn't matter. Good thing not everyone thinks like you hexl.
xSamWaynex 1 month ago
@xSamWaynex
A man doesnt do the nine months. The probability of that isZERO PERCENT.
A woman decides what happens to her, bodily and physically. Not a stranger. You'd like that freedom for yourself.
Hexl702 1 month ago
You are right a man doesn't do the nine months, nor could he. Sorry about biology working out for us men that way. A woman does decide what happens to her physically. In most cases the woman decided to have unprotected sex with a man, and then decides to use abortion as a scapegoat. You are making women look bad hexl. Very very bad. Why should a women have the freedom to kill someone and get away with it? This shouldn't be a right anyone should have.
xSamWaynex 1 month ago
@xSamWaynex """you are right ..man doesnt do the nine months.. """
What an OUTRAGE - who do we see about that?
Hexl702 4 weeks ago
I don't know.............the manufacturer maybe?
xSamWaynex 3 weeks ago
I'll wait for your rebuttal using semantics saying that the unborn isn't a person. We both know that the evidence says otherwise. Doctors who specialize in the field have said that the unborn are indeed people. They are indeed human beings, and the definition shows this. But please go ahead and throw out your rhetoric like most pro-abortionists do. And I have seen you do this countless times yourself as well. But I'll still wait for it anyway. This should be interesting to say the least
xSamWaynex 1 month ago
Abortion sucks kill a baby let murderers go free
thunderupfan 3 months ago
pro life? what are your stance the death penalty, if youre for it than you certainly not pro life
TheBasedWonder 3 months ago
Why is assaulting a pregnant woman and causing a miscarriage considered manslaughter? Come on lawmakers, think it through.
ArkansasWrestler 3 months ago
@ArkansasWrestler """why is assaulting a preg woman causing miscarriage..manslaughter""
States with fetal homicide laws -- STILL differentiate that from abortion. A woman's motive in abortion -- is to end the pregnancy. Someone killing a fetus from without,
CANT have that motive, theyre not pregnant.
Hexl702 1 month ago
It appears that recently the pro baby killing folks have started using the " What if the mother could die without it" approach. Putting the bad rep on pro life folks for wanting women to die if we still don't agree with abortion in that case.
melsop54 3 months ago
@melsop54 '"putting the bad rep on pro lite folks for wanting women to die'""
lol You object to being characterized? Thats hilarious coming from the folks calling prochoice people "nazis babykillers , equal to Stalin and Hitler.""
Theres hysterical rhetoric on both sides. Roe v Wade is the issue. If the prolite folks dont like abortion theyll
have to make it illegal. ILLEGAL. Righteous indignation isnt worth a fart in a hurricane.
Hexl702 3 months ago
I find it ironic that he doesn't mind destroying the planet we live on but he wants more babies that we don't have the resources to adequately take care of.
johnnyboy2537 3 months ago
@johnnyboy2537 DRIVEL!
americafirst2012 3 months ago
@americafirst2012 Really? Here is what we are running out of:
-Grain
-Meat
-Poultry
-Water
-Clean Water
And above all else
-Clean air
We are destroying our home. There was an electric car that was going to come out that would have been great, it would have saved people money, and helped our home. But everything involving the car was destroyed because it would have been a major rival against oil companies.
johnnyboy2537 3 months ago
@johnnyboy2537 We aren't running out of any of these things. Let me guess you believe in man made global warming and that Al Gore invented the internet. As for electric cars or any other alternative fuel vehicles if they can be produced in free market and actually compete with gas cars I'm all for that. If they govt subsidies and special regulations to compete then to hell with them.
americafirst2012 3 months ago
@americafirst2012 Of course Al Gore didn't invent the internet. Obviously we have an effect on our environment. Ozone is thinning and 120,000 people die yearly from smog. That is 40 times the number of people who died in 9/11 and we don't do anything. We can't feed the people in Africa and we are unbelievabely cruel to chickens. We are slowly killing ourselves but hey, we have Hummers.
johnnyboy2537 3 months ago
@johnnyboy2537 Regardless of how chickens a treated their numbers are in no way in decline asshat. Hell if Spotted Owls were tasty when they were deep fried they wouldn't be endangered. You care about chickens but not unborn children what a laughably typical PETArd. If you are so concerned about overpopulation do something to decrease it -- kill yourself! One less leftist in the world is always a good thing!
americafirst2012 3 months ago
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@americafirst2012 RON PAUL 2012!
americafirst2012 3 months ago
@americafirst2012 I hate PETA. And unfortunately my favorite thing for dinner is chicken piccata. I'm saying abortions are ultimately down to the party. Not a bunch morons in suits who invade the wrong country because of WMD's that weren't there or God's orders. I'm saying we don't need more babies. The population is almost at 7 billion and we can't take care of the people we have now. Why would I kill myself? I can contribute something. You though...
johnnyboy2537 3 months ago
@johnnyboy2537
Would be really good if people would think about that BEFORE getting pregnant, amirite? By that logic, let's launch a nuke to a random city somewhere. Let's encourage war and disable disaster relief. Let's discourage drug research.
The reason electric cars aren't making it big is because they are inefficient, expensive and need high maintenance. Stop demonizing oil so much. It gets you a lot more than just fuel - plastics, wax, asphalt, tar, naphtha, lubricants.. and more.
DraughtOfPeace 3 months ago
@DraughtOfPeace I know right? Why didn't that rape victim carry a taser? Why didn't that chick choose dying over delivering a baby that was killing her? That makes sense. I'm not saying we shouldn't help people at all. I'm saying we're not even acknowledging we're running out of resources. Of course we should help the suffering. As for your electric car comment. Google "Who killed the Electric Car?" We were close to making a great car that we would spend less money on fuel with.
johnnyboy2537 3 months ago
Look, this is all distracting us from hailing satan every day, which is the important thing.
demonicspire1 3 months ago
sarcastic conservative worm... how original
shaengus 3 months ago
Recently, a 10 year old Cub Scout asked me why people who claim to be smart think it is bad to kill convicted murderers, but it it is good to be able to kill unborn babies. How do I answer that question? (Other than telling him that those people are really stupid!)
k13e14b15 3 months ago
@k13e14b15 ""think it is bad to kill convicted murderers but good to be able to kill unborn babies""
Who told you that and why'd you believe it? Hexl supports the death penalty, and it is not "good" to kill
unborn fetuses, but it should be legal.
Hexl702 3 months ago
So it's only murder if they feel pain... Guess I can run around drugging people then murdering them after they are pain free. Good to know.
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@mailrjmathews """"Guess I can run around drugging people then murdering them after they are pain free. Good to know.""""
That would be first degree murder and youd get either the death penalty or life in prison. Abortion is different
from that.
Hexl702 3 months ago
Some times the freedom of speech gets FUCKING ANNOYING as seen in this video.
TheTay123456789 3 months ago
@TheTay123456789 Freedom of speech is what allowed you to type that dumbass comment. lol
MetalSights 3 months ago
Giraffes: "It doesn't matter if it's extremely rare or not. Were not allowing people to go free and kill 100s of innocent people, were putting them in prison."
LOL!!! Murderers, serial rapists, etc, get released ALL THE TIME and CONTINUE to do what they did!
"What if one of those was your family or friends. You support law that Might kill people who don't deserve it."
It doesn't intentionally do that, though. Your point is invalid.
amanda2324 4 months ago
They're not children until the 24th week when they're able to live outside the mother's body, also happens to be the cut-off to have an abortion under PP v. Casey. Until then they are essentially parasitic organisms dependent on the host organism to live. Most of the children aborted, if allowed to live, would be born into circumstances in which the mother had neither the means nor the desire to properly care for them. But you conservatives wouldn't want to help out at that point would you?
Drudy90 4 months ago
@Drudy90 Oh? Then explain how a 21 week old was able to live outside the mother's body. Furthermore, who are you to say that it's ONLY when they can live outside the mother's body that they are to be considered children?
amanda2324 4 months ago
@amanda2324 The general medical concensus is that the point of viability is between 20 and 24 weeks on average (obviously like any other population there are outliers). Who are you to say they are considered children 3 days into gestation when they are a blastocyst, or a cluster of 150 nondescript cells, their only human characteristic being their chromosome count. If that is a human life then you commit genocide every time you scratch your nose.
Drudy90 4 months ago
@Drudy90 They're not -just- a cluster of cells. That's a logical fallacy. And it's not only their chromosome count, they have individual, human DNA as well that is completely different from the mothers. And my nose isn't a human life, it's only a part of my body, it functions like a part of my body, and it will never cease being part of my body unless some sort of outside element forces it too.
amanda2324 4 months ago
@Drudy90
Drudy........consensus is your idea of scientific certitude? Galileo was perhaps 1% of the "scientific" community of his day. The scientific community was all on the same page: the Earth was the center of the Universe. Galileo was indeed a minority. Being a minority doesn't make you wrong.
aquartlow 4 months ago
@Drudy90 Do you know what the pro-life position is?
redeyetime 4 months ago
@redeyetime ""Do you know what the pro-lite position""
Yes, I do "" Abortion is MUH-DUR-DER! Its a holocaust ! Not that I'm actually gonna DO anything
but sit on my ass and type, and pat myself on the back like I actually did something"""
Our position is "safe, legal and rare." Works pretty well.
Hexl702 3 months ago
Why Cant I Abort my 22 year old?
SmokeBojangles 4 months ago
Those babies have the rights as human beings from time of conception...
TheCatwest 4 months ago
At some point, white boys are going to have to leave the debate to the people who it really concerns.
ChickenFaeces 4 months ago 8
@ChickenFaeces And stop electing black people president
EthansEntertainment 3 months ago
@ChickenFaeces Sperm+egg= child, not egg+egg, nor sperm+sperm. My point? While a woman carries the child, the unborn child is still one half of the father. Thus, it shouldn't be only a woman's decision whether to kill the helpless, undefended unborn child. Leaving your racist comment alone, I think that maybe you should rethink how a pro-life father would feel if his anti-child girlfriend got an abortion, thus killing his son or daughter.
FutureRocketMan 3 months ago
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@ChickenFaeces Sperm+egg= child, not egg+egg, nor sperm+sperm. My point? While a woman carries the child, the unborn child is still one half of the father. Thus, it shouldn't be only a woman's decision whether to kill the helpless, undefended unborn child. Leaving your racist comment alone, I think that maybe you should rethink how a pro-life father would feel if his anti-child girlfriend got an abortion, thus killing his son or daughter.
FutureRocketMan 3 months ago
@ChickenFaeces Okay, then let's ignore the countless white people who were in support of ending slavery. Wether you're asian, black, caucasion, hispanic doesn't matter. We're all human beings. The sooner we can get past color the better. It's wrong to kill a child in the womb no matter what color, and "white boy's" will continue to protest abortion wether it affects them directly or not. Slaves didn't have a voice at one point and now children in the womb don't. But women do.
brandonhendo10 2 months ago
@brandonhendo10
I"m not racist, believe me, I just think it's hilarious that white men are the ones dictating what decisions get to be made by A) women, with most statistically being B) black women.
ChickenFaeces 2 months ago
@ChickenFaeces Please clarify by what you mean, "with most statistically being." Also, why can't the word you used "women" also encompass black women. Can't black women just be women. You're still focusing on color. Is getting an abortion killing the woman or is it killing the child inside the woman? if it's killing the child, which it is, then how is that affecting the woman? She will be alive after the abortion and the child will be dead.
brandonhendo10 2 months ago
@brandonhendo10
There's nothing to clarify... I think it's funny that white men get to make a decision that effects black women more than anyone else.
ChickenFaeces 2 months ago
@ChickenFaeces Okay, then be specific. You must have many examples that support your accusation. What are they?
brandonhendo10 2 months ago
@brandonhendo10
I dunno, dude, I'm not prepared to defend it, I'm a lazy ass liberal, remember? Go google it, if you care that much.
ChickenFaeces 2 months ago
@ChickenFaeces Then why post if you're not educated on the subject? You care atleast a little bit, you should google it.
brandonhendo10 2 months ago
@ChickenFaeces
It concerns everyone whose money is involved in supporting abortion.
DemonLord4 2 months ago
@DemonLord4 ""it concerns everyone whose money is involved in abortion""
LOL -- So if women use their own money for abortions, that shuts you up? I have no stats, but I figger
thats the vast majority of em. The overwhelming majority.
Hexl702 2 months ago
@Hexl702 I have no statistics to prove my case, but I believe you're being a knee-jerk reactionary.
DemonLord4 2 months ago
@DemonLord4
Thats not really a response to what I asked. Public money is the issue, you seemed to say. So if abortions dont involve public funds, then theyre not a problem?
Hexl702 2 months ago
These people argue that circumcision should be banned because should be the kid's choice, and yet they don't care what the kid thinks when they snuff it out in the womb.
mbrsart 4 months ago
Awesome job man! I heard a quote, "Its a sad and terrible moment in a nations history, when its citizens are given the right to kill their own children."
melsop54 4 months ago
So let's keep abortion legal (but for "pro-choicers" only).
Morally clueless, it's best if they don't reproduce and then go be with their dark, soulless lord.
dwall057 4 months ago
@dwall057 Well look at this way...if we keep it legal only people who only pro-choice will do it...Thus, their offspring will go down. I can't think of a better example of natural selection.
TheCatsLastWord 4 months ago
@TheCatsLastWord Pro-choice, had an abortion- also had a son. Why do all pro'life'rs think pro-choicers hate kids, or never have any?
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat I love how you guys will fight tooth and nail for the life of a psychopathic killer, but when it comes to an innocent unborn baby you guys say, "AHHHHHH WHATEVER!".
007chucknorris007 4 months ago
@007chucknorris007 Actually, I think murderers and sex offenders should be executed. Immediately.
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat And babies right?
007chucknorris007 4 months ago
@007chucknorris007 Why kill a baby, when it can be adopted..? Oh, wia,t are you confusing a developing fetus that cannot think or feel, and is completely parasitic in nature to an actual born, active baby? Eh, I could go either way on abortion(not execution or murder- how illogical to misuse words like that! a fetus isn't a person, and committed no crime, so it can't BE 'murdered' or 'executed' and that's not the context of an abortion anyway!) really, b/c it depends on the woman.
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat The fact of the matter is you have no way of determining the potential of those protoplasm that you just throw away.
007chucknorris007 4 months ago
@007chucknorris007 And you CAN tell the future? Who cares- it is a potentiality only- whether the next einstein, or the next hitler- it's fairly even. So fuck potentiality- I care about ACTUALITY- the WOMAN, not the developing human meat.
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat I guess you're not going to agree with me. I just don't think its right to kill your kid.
007chucknorris007 4 months ago
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@007chucknorris007 says:I love how you guys will fight tooth and nail for the life of a psychopathic killer, but when it comes to an innocent unborn baby you guys say, "AHHHHHH WHATEVER!".
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I love how YOU guys equate a living breathing person, who is loved and can love...criminal or not, to a god damned unknown entity with the consciousness level of a frickin earthworm!! God bless the village idiots
Sueezee1 4 months ago
@TheCatsLastWord ""I cant think of better..natural selection""
LOL you non-aborted moron! Thats what the dumb pro-loafers thought back in 2008 -- "By now
15 million democrats who wouldve voted in this election, got aborted ! We'll win this election fer sher!""
But Obama WON by 10 million votes! Because you silly cabbage -- Prochoicers have children, prochoicers
LOVE children! Our family just had a prochoice baby the other day!
Hexl702 3 months ago
the brain isn't fully developed until very late in the pregnancy. child cant feel pain until it's brain is developed enough. (Pain is all in the brain if you didn't know.) I think it should be cheap to decide what you want to do with something that is still a part of your body. Most conservatives don't look up facts though. they just blabble nonsense
Giraffes90 4 months ago 2
@Giraffes90 Feel free to get all of your children aborted. In fact, I highly recommend it.
TheCatsLastWord 4 months ago
@Giraffes90 Please cite a source to back up your claims. So what if they CHILD can't feel pain? There are born people, adults and children alike, who cannot feel pain. Is it okay to murder them? If the doctors put something in me that makes me numb, am I no longer human? No. Please provide some real arguments and actual facts.
amanda2324 4 months ago
@amanda2324
I did provide you with a fact. The Fetus can't feel pain. I'm not saying it isn't alive.
Just because and old book tells you something is wrong doesn't mean it's true. I suppose you support the death penalty to?
Giraffes90 4 months ago
@Giraffes90 Excuse me? Are you making an assumption that it's ONLY because of the Bible that I am Pro-Life? Stop making assumptions. Anyway, yes I do support the death penalty - but for reasons other than the Bible.
And just because this is a few thousand years later doesn't mean it's -not- true. Truth is unaffected by time.
amanda2324 4 months ago
@amanda2324
Actually yeah I was, it's where people started the argument anyway. Your pro-life and support the death penalty? So what if someone puts to death an innocent man (it happens alot in texas)? pro-life people call pro-choice people "baby killers" should I start calling you a "people killer"?
Giraffes90 4 months ago
@Giraffes90 "Actually yeah I was, it's where people started the argument anyway." So? Not a very valid reason to jump the gun.
"So what if someone puts to death an innocent man (it happens alot in texas)?" It's called a mistake. Duh. Oh, are humans magically supposed to be perfect and never make mistakes? What about the thousands of innocent people who are put in jail, and their lives are ruined because of it?
To that last line, no, you can't. It would be very illogical and uneducated of you.
amanda2324 4 months ago
@amanda2324 No i dont think innocent people should die. I dont think it's worth killing people who killed people when you could be wrong and kill the innocent. If your put in jail and later they find out you were innocent. Guess what? you go free. "their lives are ruined because of it" it's better to die?
to that last line. Yes i can, Let me get this straight, You think innocent people should die (mistakes over peoples lives is something that shouldnt happen anyway). Your a people killer.
Giraffes90 4 months ago
@Giraffes90 "I dont think it's worth killing people who killed people when you could be wrong and kill the innocent." Well, if you're "killing people who killed people," then by the logic of that statement, we're killing the guilty ones. Furthermore, it's extremely rare that an innocent is executed. I think it's better to kill a few innocents, then allow murderers to kill hundreds of innocents.
No, I can't be a people killer - I don't kill people. Please grow up and get some maturity. =3
amanda2324 4 months ago
@amanda2324 It doesn't matter if it's extremely rare or not. Were not allowing people to go free and kill 100s of innocent people, were putting them in prison.
10,000 people are wrongfully convicted of crimes every year. What if one of those was your family or friends. You support law that Might kill people who don't deserve it.
I don't personally kill babies, But people call me a baby killer for supporting abortion. Im done arguing idc anymore be ignorant. Good Day
Giraffes90 4 months ago
@Giraffes90
Yo dude. I don't personally kill babies either, but I support your right to support killing babies. I mean, after all, they aren't solid democrat voters yet. Sheesh!
aquartlow 4 months ago
@aquartlow
That makes no sense..
Giraffes90 3 months ago
@amanda2324 *Serious crimes* not just crimes. The kind of crimes that might get you the death penalty
Giraffes90 4 months ago
@Giraffes90
A growing baby isn't exactly part of the mother's body.. I wonder if you've seen that pic of a baby still in its mother's womb being operated on? 4 months along, she grabbed the doctor's finger. I'm not going to debate the stages of brain growth during pregnancy. If something is a part of your body, it performs some function of utility to the body. The baby does none of that. He/she grows, expends resources and finally leaves the body.
DraughtOfPeace 3 months ago
@DraughtOfPeace """a growing baby isnt exactly part of the mothers body""
LOL you belong in comedy! You clucks ALWAYs show the fetus as a stand-alone, as if theres no woman
encompassing it. Thats misleading propaganda. You HAVE to factor in the woman. You cant affect a fetus without affecting a woman. Why oh why do you dips keep trying to
disappear the WOMAN?
A fetus is only a separate body AFTER the abortion.
Hexl702 3 months ago
@Hexl702
No, it's not.. the baby is a separate entity even before delivery, and even the mother's body treats it as such. The woman had the freedom to have sex without protection, and upon exercise of this freedom and subsequent pregnancy, accompanies the responsibility to properly deliver the baby..
DraughtOfPeace 2 months ago
@DraughtOfPeace"""The woman had the freedom to have sex without protection, and upon exercise of this freedom and subsequent pregnancy, accompanies the responsibility to properly deliver the baby.""
LOL -- who made that rule and who enforces it?
Hexl702 2 months ago
@Hexl702
There's no rule, and that's my point. The law is legalizing something that is inherently wrong. Just because a law says something is legal, doesn't mean it's right.
DraughtOfPeace 1 month ago
@DraughtOfPeace ""legal..doesnt mean its right""
LOL silly -- Thats what I'M trying to tell YOU. Legan doesnt mean its right. Abortion being legal doesnt mean its grand, fantastic, and we're giving it a hearty thumbs up.
It simply means -- legal.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702
and I'm trying to tell you it's wrong should not be rationalized, and shouldn't be legal.
DraughtOfPeace 1 month ago
@DraughtOfPeace The fact of the matter here is that your voting against for people who are raped and people who are poor who accidently get pregnant. There lives are ruined and you don't care. Because a sperm cell entered an egg. i don't agree with late pregnancy abortions because they are messed up, the baby at that point feel what the doctor is doing... what are you trying to defend here? The baby grabbed the doctors hand there for we should take away the rights of women.
Giraffes90 3 months ago
@Giraffes90
The baby is not a separate entity only after being separated from the mother, it begins being a separate entity since conception, and the body treats it as such. What I'm trying to defend here is the baby's right to life.
DraughtOfPeace 2 months ago
Is this guy an ideologue or is he just promoting himself? If you want to know what happens when a country outlaws abortion just research the communist Ceaușescu's 1966 decree.
attemptingtobehumble 4 months ago
@attemptingtobehumble
The result of what happened there wasn't purely because abortion was outlawed; it was the combined effect of a lack of sex education, information relevant to pregnancy, delivery, etc, ban on condoms and other methods of preventing unwanted pregnancies and a host of other policies and measures. To say that the scenario at the time was caused purely by the abortion ban is a gross misrepresentation of fact.
DraughtOfPeace 2 months ago
@attemptingtobehumble
Think about it. Condoms were outlawed, and so were medical procedures that would prevent pregnancies. This meant pregnancies will occur whether the couple desires or not, leaving them with no chance to prevent it. Also, the country was languishing in poverty, which made people dread another addition to the family, and hence turn to back-alley abortions. You can't compare a scene like that to a developed and free country today..
DraughtOfPeace 2 months ago
So wait. Does this guy actually make informed decisions or just slam every liberal agenda? I was behind him for a couple videos but the more I watch more more I realize he spends way too much time on the fox new channel asking himself "how can I be even more bias and outrageous than these gods among men,"
acegoodrich 4 months ago
Life is a gift, and destroying a baby that you could have fully prevented in the fist place just makes you a self-centered killer. There are tons of infertile husbands and wives that would give everything they have for a chance to have a baby, and people just wanna throw them away because it makes them a little "uncomfortable". I think that says something about how quickly our world is falling apart.
kippegurl101 4 months ago
How can someone who is for the "sanctity of life" be pro war and death penalty? It makes no sense whatsoever. "You're marketing murder and targeting lower income underprivileged families". Yeah, is that any different from what the military does? Seriously, do you think that lower income families popping out kids left and right is a positive thing? I'm not particularly for abortion but it's better than adding more people to the system. You only care about that cute little baby until it's grown.
Snowgoon901 4 months ago
We need more abortions, not less! Waaaay too many people pumping out their little rats right now! We're going to end up like China with well over a billion people. That's what teabaggers want, evidently. Millions of low-income morons having way too many units that the state has to feed. These people always talk about "sanctity of life". They need to be more concerned with "quality of life".
jons44 4 months ago
I heart Crazy Pete.
apocalypse1280 4 months ago
Great video…for those who think abortion is not legalized murder, I urge you to check out the stories of Gianna Jessen & Melissa Ohden. They both survived saline abortion. Please check out their stories and share it with others.
Abigail4Jesus 4 months ago
This video is awesome.
SheWhoLovesPineapple 4 months ago
The abortion issue actually is not up to Obama. In order to criminalize abortion, the United States Supreme Court would have to overturn its previous rulings in Roe v. Wade and later Casey. Have you considered that abortion will happen whether legal or not? Have you considered that greater access to health care and birth control would likely reduce abortions and unwanted children in general? It's policy like this that would make sense and should be common ground for both sides.
revjoesaves 4 months ago
@revjoesaves exactly. people aren't going to stop having sex because abortion's been made illegal and they aren't going to quit having abortions. if anything, making abortion illegal just means pro-choicers are going to have more kids to raise, and that their kids are likely going to be pro-choice, too. the way I see it, either way, anti-choicers are destined to lose this battle.
astr323 4 months ago
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I believe that abortion in the event of rape and the absolute life-or-death danger events are the only events in which an abortion should be legal. Unless the abortion is performed because of rape or the mother's life being in danger, it should be illegal. Period, black and white, the end.
TurtleShroom 4 months ago
Just because liberals are pro choice, you know freedom of choice...unheard of in the conservative doctrines I guess...it doesn't mean we are pro abortion.
bluenytefalls 5 months ago
@bluenytefalls the choice to do what...? So it's okay for someone else to kill their baby. It's either okay or it isn't.
destrecht 4 months ago
The choice to murder isn't a choice we should have. We also don't believe in the choice to rape or steal.
destrecht 4 months ago
@destrecht
Freedom is Freedom. This includes the freedom to make bad decisions and be held accountable for them (i.e. rape, murder, steal).
Either that or you're for literally shackling or jailing everyone in America so they can never make a bad choice.
bluenytefalls 4 months ago
@bluenytefalls Pro-Choice means your Pro-Abortion, this is a Black and white, your Anti or Pro. That child is alive or dead, It cant be more black and white.
kevinjjfr 4 months ago
@kevinjjfr
So pro right to bear arms must be the same as pro shooting people, or pro death, right? Freedom of speech must be the same as pro lies, pro verbal abuse. People who use contraception must be pro human extinction, right?
Let me guess, they're different things right?
Spin it if you want, but people who can't see the world in any other colors than black and white are just taking the easy path.
bluenytefalls 4 months ago
@bluenytefalls Pro-Self Defense and Fire arms are a sport. Choice ONLY leads to death.
pathetic. A child died, or does not die. This is a black and white.
kevinjjfr 4 months ago
@kevinjjfr
As I said, you would take the easy path.
Just because you are given a choice it does not mean you will make it.
Funny how the "Choice = Death" crowd was born in the land of the free. How much more opposed can you be to "give me liberty or give me death"?
bluenytefalls 4 months ago
@bluenytefalls that child is not given the choice, the mother is given the choice.
and its No Liberty, and Death. Pig.
kevinjjfr 4 months ago
@kevinjjfr
Your disrespect is so ignorant, I'm embarrassed for you.
bluenytefalls 4 months ago
@bluenytefalls Well, if you're pushing to keep abortion legalized, then you -are- Pro-Abortion, because you are for it.
amanda2324 4 months ago
@amanda2324
Just because you are given a choice it does not mean you will make it.
bluenytefalls 4 months ago
@bluenytefalls So what? If one of the choices is immoral or unethical, then it is even more immoral or unethical to leave it as an option/legal. Therefore, your logic still doesn't add up. If you are for keeping something legalized, then you are pro-whatever it is. So, since you are for keeping abortion legalized, you are Pro-Abortion. I have met people who are Pro-Life, but also Pro-Abortion. All Pro-Choicers are Pro-Abortion, though only some Pro-Life are also Pro-Abortion.
amanda2324 4 months ago
@amanda2324 How far are you willing to take this? Should adultery be illegal? Premarital sex? Divorce? If any "immoral" action should be illegal, how do you decide what is immoral? Until recently, many states still had laws that made sodomy illegal and thus homosexual sexual relations. Interestingly, the Supreme Court in Lawrence v. Texas said that an action being immoral was not good enough to make it illegal. If adultery should be illegal, what's the punishment? Premarital sex?
revjoesaves 4 months ago
@revjoesaves You're going off to other subjects - please stay on topic. Thank you. =3
amanda2324 4 months ago
@amanda2324 I'm not off topic at all. You're giving us a theory on why immoral behavior, and thus abortion, should be illegal. I challenged that view, quite well I think, and your dodging the question. So again, if anything immoral should be illegal, how do we punish premarital sex and adultery? How do we know what is immoral and why does abortion fall into it. Thank you for pretty much conceding your wrong by not responding to my argument 3)
revjoesaves 4 months ago
@revjoesaves Thank you for acting like an idiot and proving you can't debate by not staying focused. =3
amanda2324 4 months ago
@amanda2324 You're resorting to name calling and won't respond to obvious flaws in your argument, and I'm the one that can't debate??? You're kidding right??? I'm done "debating" with you, as your obviously not interested in that. Please, please, please rethink your position on the anything illegal should be immoral position. It's countries like Iran that do that.
revjoesaves 4 months ago
@revjoesaves Well then, if you want me to rethink my position, then I propose a dialogue. I never change my opinion over a debate, but I might be willing to at least think about it over a dialogue. In this dialogue, I will only be asking you questions and trying to understand where you are coming from, but I will not, say, debate over anything or try to prove to you why my side is better. Would you be up for that, or has my (and I admit it) childish comment ticked you off to much for that?
amanda2324 4 months ago
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@amanda2324 How far are you willing to take this? Should adultery be illegal? Premarital sex? Divorce? If any "immoral" action should be illegal, how do you decide what is immoral? Until recently, many states still had laws that made sodomy illegal and thus homosexual sexual relations. Interestingly, the Supreme Court in Lawrence v. Texas said that an action being immoral was not good enough to make it illegal. If adultery should be illegal, what's the punishment? Premarital sex?
revjoesaves 4 months ago
@amanda2324
Taking the "moral" path isn't worth a dime if it wasn't a choice that was made willingly. Free will, ever heard of it? Pretty sure the bible made a big point of emphasizing it, if you cared about it at all.
I know it might hurt to think of things differently, but just because we want choice, it doesn't mean we are for abortions.
Besides which, I can't wait until people start unleashing law suits on others in the name of their unborn children: I miscarried and it's your fault!
bluenytefalls 4 months ago
@bluenytefalls Your logic fails. People make a LOT of choices unwillingly; they choose to obey the law, unwillingly, because they don't have a choice in the matter. It would be no different in this matter. And you STILL have yet to prove my point - if you are for keeping it legal, than you are Pro-Abortion, and there is nothing you have said that disproves it. Whether or not it should be legal is not what I'm getting at - if you are FOR keeping it legalized, then you are Pro-Abortion, period.
amanda2324 4 months ago
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amanda2324 4 months ago
@amanda2324
Miscarriage is simply another word for an abortion, albeit generally unplanned. It's not defined by "natural," as you say.
My point was that if you want to treat an unborn child with the rights of everyone else, be prepared to be sued on their unborn-behalf, because people will try to point fingers and get money. X company caused me to miscarry; man slaughter because someone fell from a flight of stairs and killed unborn child.
bluenytefalls 4 months ago
@bluenytefalls Now you're playing word games. Miscarriage is the unintentional, and unfortunate, loss of an unborn child, whereas abortion is the intentional killing of that unborn child. Miscarriage is a natural process, abortion is not. Miscarriage happens for a variety of reasons that are outside of the mother's control, whereas abortion is where the woman goes into a clinic and gets a doctor to kill the unborn child.
amanda2324 4 months ago
@amanda2324
A. I'm not playing word games, I'm looking at the outcome of each scenario and comparing.
B. Legally speaking, there is no "natural process" in the definition of miscarriage. It is simply an event which has MANY causes, some natural, some not.
C. You are the one playing word games by constantly dodging the points I am making; if all you can do is draw a line in the sand, then you are simply supporting a stance without understanding why. Unfortunate, really.
bluenytefalls 4 months ago
@bluenytefalls A. No, you're not. You're saying that miscarriage is the same thing as an abortion where the mother has a doctor kill her baby. Which is untrue.
B. And again, that's playing word games. You know -exactly- what kind of abortion I'm talking about, and yet you insist on dancing to other possible meanings of the word to direct the debate somewhere else.
C. And you are doing the same thing, hypocrite. Unfortunate, really.
amanda2324 4 months ago
@amanda2324
"You know -exactly- what kind of abortion I'm talking about, and yet you insist on dancing to other possible meanings of the word to direct the debate somewhere else."
Yes I do know what kind of abortion YOU mean, however in a nation of laws (John Adams), you have to be precise and aware of all the various instances attached to a particular situation/word. It's called seeing the big picture. The law can't just use the NARROW terms YOU want, but all of its interpretations.
bluenytefalls 4 months ago
@amanda2324
A/B. It's precisely because miscarriages (death of an unborn child), and abortions (death of an unborn child) are so similar, and so interpretable that "pro-lifers" are both for the deprivation of basic rights and frivolous lawsuits.
C. Name calling and mimicry...real mature.
bluenytefalls 4 months ago
@bluenytefalls A/B: Incorrect. Miscarriage (death of an unborn child) and abortion (MURDER of an unborn child) are NOT similar at all. One is the unintentional death of a child, while the other is the intentional slaughter of a child. Huge difference.
C. Improper refutation... real mature.
amanda2324 4 months ago
@amanda2324
Ah so we've come to the circular part of your routine where I can now copy and paste my answer to virtually everything you've said:
Yes I do know what kind of abortion YOU mean, however in a nation of laws (John Adams), you have to be precise and aware of all the various instances attached to a particular situation/word. It's called seeing the big picture. A court won't just use the NARROW terms of a word that YOU want, but all of its interpretations and defining situations.
bluenytefalls 4 months ago