good point, I think a lot of the "christian" accusations are more accurately directed at the actions of the Roman Catholic church which has been in opposition to protestant faith and beliefs from it's inception and establishment by the emperor Constantine !
To the author, which society has contributed mainly in the peacefull society you live in, if not from Islam? What were Christians constitutions and individual rights before the secular liberalism spread widely; even the modern secular liberalism was created due to the oppressions of the Churches and got its ideas from Islam. Check out US Constitutions, a great portion is from Islam.
@planetsteveable I understand it seems that way to you. It seems that was to many. But the facts prove otherwise. You rely on how things seem to you or facts? Non stop news about Muslims, of course it would seem that way. But my point is, it's not. Peace to you brother. My intention is to unite us only. We are all humans
@planetsteveable what about the Norway killer? George bush is a devout Christian as is Obama and they have killed millions of
Civilians. What about the guy that stabbed Muslim cab driver in neck? Look up FBI stats, Christians lead in terrorism in the U.S. Muslims are last after Jews.
That is completely true-- But claiming that the KKK, Manson, Breivik, and the various anti-abortion terrorist groups (just to name a few) are not religiously motivated is just plain ignorance. Not to mention the millions killed in the crusades (which is a lame cliche answer, but still valid.)
This guy needs to educate himself. Look in Wiki under "Christianity and violence", google the crusades, the inquisition, christian holy wars, northern ireland bombings, conquest of the new world deaths, american indian genocide, australia genocide aborigines, and ten thousand more topics that show Fundamental Christians and most fanatical adherents to any religion can justify evil behaviour. Islam is the worst offender. It is codified into the Quran, haddiths and traditions. Want a Sex Slave?
@SuperJoeFreedom .....know what all those things you cited for Christian based violence have in common?.... none of them happened in our lifetime. Let the past answer for itself - i'm talking about the here and now.
This guy is forgeting the spanish conquistador of south America. They killed millions Native American in the name of Christianity. There you have it troll. I can name more than one.
Hitler’s faith is in dispute. Publicly he said he was a christian but some accounts of statements he made in private seems to indicate that he might have had a somewhat torn relationship with Christianity.
Here are just a few people who are CHRISTIANS: - The guy in Arizona who shot Rep. Giffords and KILLED SIX PEOPLE - The guy in Lakewood, WA who killed 4 cops and said he had visions of Jesus
Of course their faith was not mentioned much at all in the reporting. Just here and there, not in headlines.
@PeacefulLiving1 There is a big difference between being a Christian and killing someone and killing with Christianity as your motive. If a Methodist kills a guy for sleeping with his wife, that is NOT Christian terrorism. The guy who shot Giffords was just a nut, nothing motivated him beyond he wanted to make a name for himself. He didn't go out and shoot those people after reading the New Testament. On the other hand muslim fanats shout Allah Akbar before killing.
terrorist kill more muslims each day than they kill non-muslims. all terrorist are CHRISTIANS and JEWS. they get their ideologies from crusades and nazis. no muslim man has ever INVADED any country in the name of history. they claim to be muslims but they are not. they christians and jews. we muslims we dont kill nor harm. leave us alone you cunts.!!!
What about the Crusades? Is the Klu Klux Klan's primary goal not to re establish Protestant values? Don't say that there is no christian terrorism. There can be radicalism in every faith when not properly practiced.
the missionaries , the kkk , the ppl responsible for the transatlantic slave trade nepolean bonaparte ,the american settlers , the union and confederate armies, the american revolutionaries , tim mcviegn , the crusades , constatine , hitler, the roman catholic church just to name a few that killed in the name of christdom
I think he forgot about crusades, killings between Catholics and Protestants(most recent example Northern Ireland??remember), burning of women as witches, slavery (all under the blessings of Church), abuse of thousands of boys by clergy.
Most recently Oklahoma bombing, and shotting in Norway(not that long)???
And correct me if I am wrong Hitler was a Christian as well who wanted to kill all the Jews (and succeeded in killing over 6 million of them)
1 SAMUEL 15:3 NIV - Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them.Do not spare them;put to death men and women, CHILDREN and INFANTS, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys!
Oh, and one last comment. I actually agree with you in regards to the stupid comment by Tavis Smiley. I don't think he could see that all these murders in America (or at least a majority) may be committed by Christians, but that does not mean they were committed BECAUSE they were Christian. It is the killing of others BECAUSE of religion which Islam currently has a monopoly on and it is this which Ayaan was referring to.
As for an example of Christians killing for their faith, it does happen in certain areas of the world, though I acknowledge it is much less common these days then happens among Islamic purists (extremists). Through history, however there have been many wars through Europe started purely for the cause of Christianity (the various crusades are just the most obvious). The only reason Christians rarely act this way now is due to secular reasoning and morals.
Hitler was catholic; he was doing his interpretation of Gods work. All Nazi soldiers made their pledge to Hitler in the name of God. There were Christian symbols upon their uniform. This ridiculous assertion that Hitler was an atheist has to stop. There is of course a great example of a crack-pot atheist who killed millions in the past century: Stalin. This does not, however, mean that Stalin killed BECAUSE he was an atheist. He killed for power and used the church as his model.
I wonder how you came to such conclusion from my saying that unfortunately, evil is not limited to ignorant muslims. It is inclusive of all ignorant[s]. Those people who are KKK may have Ph. D. in the best of disciples, they forget all of that when their evil hearts are engulfed in effort of evil. Everyone is responsible for his/her action, including stopping evil within and without. Nothing makes you do evil that are not willing to do. But perfect guidance will wake your conscience up.
When Christianity can't stop somebody from committing atrocity, will you not attribute the evil deeds of the Post Office murderers to Christianity, just because they do not say Christianity made me do it? When Christianity does not stop them, it is therefore guilty, just like when the KKK used it to string people on the trees.
I think thats what Mr. Smiley was saying. You don't have to voice it for us to know it was there. If it can't stop you, please not that it had egged you on.
@lionabbass How does an ideology stop anybody from doing anything? Using your logic if any of us who posted to this video goes out and kills somebody, it's YouTubes fault for not stopping us.
However I do agree with you in that Smiley, whose intellect is so immensely inferior to that of Ayaan Hirsi Ali has seemed to confuse American crime with christian crime. Which I can only guess stems from his distorted belief that 80 to 90 percent of Americans are christians, which is just false. You are simi-correct; crime in the name of christianity occurs but not everyday all over the place as Smiley would have you believe. But that does not exonerate christianity from its horrific past.
Muslims and Christians are equally dangerous. Take a damn history course to see how terrible christianity can be. Not to mention their agreement with hitler and a call to prayer every year on his birthday and their helping high ranking nazis escape to South America. Pre 20th century christian history is even more horrible all the way back to where it (didn't) begin. Not to mention you have christians blowing up abortion clinics and shooting doctors. Rev. Paul HIll for one. Enlighten yourself man
Name one? Ok how about EVERY last "ONE" of those responsible for attacking Iraq and MURDERING innocent people including George Bush. Timothy Mcveigh, The Uni-Bomber, The KKK..........where have you been my friend?
@planetsteveable It has been documented that Christian fundamentalist terrorism in the US (blowing up abortion clinics, WTC etc.) has claimed most lives when compared to other branches of terror attacks on the US from in or outside. I am surprised that you don't seem to know that.
@gaynomadic Oh, what did he say that is untrue? I'd say the guy who throws out assertations and doesn't bother to back them up is the sad fucker. Planetsteveble makes his points and then backs them up. Because someone from a "supposed Christian background" commits a crime does not mean Christianity motivated him to do it, unlike the Islamic terrorists who shout Allah Achbar before wasting some infidels. That guy sites Columbine as an example when he doesn't know squat about the killers.
@dancinkindofguy your last argument may be true but it has been documented that Christian fundamentalist terrorism in the US (blowing up abortion clinics, WTC etc.) has claimed most lives when compared to other branches of terror attacks on the US from in or outside. I am surprised that some people like you and planet don't seem to know that.
@ReallyIni documrented by whom? How many killings have been done in the last 10 years by Christian fundamentalists? I'll give you the guy who killed Tiller, the abortion doctor. Other than him, who? The Ft. Hood killer killed more by himself than all the abortion clinics....and why do you have WTC in parens after mentioning Christian fundys? Are you saying that CHRISTIANS destroyed the World Trade Center? You're probably going to tell me Bush did it!
@dancinkindofguy oops sorry, it was the Oklahoma City bombing. I can't get into detail here but Christian terrorism does happen every other day across the country, please google it, or look it up on wikipedia under anti abortion violence and/or Christian fundamentalism. It is a fact. Sorry about that. I'm not wanting to condone Islamic terrorism, but Christian terrorism is a fact and has claimed more lives than any other terrorist activity on US soil.
@ReallyIni abortion clinics being blown up - while trajic - actually happens so infrequently that it is fair to call this event a "one - off" ....while terrorism is the Islamic extremists stock in trade. thanks for coming.
@planetsteveable Welcome. The Ku Klux Klan, the Army of God and related groups are not one offs they are organized and structured and propagate an armed battle with Christianity their ideological foundation. You will find similar fanatics in Africa where witch hunt is the order of the day. Also Christians haven't always needed to resort to an underground battle as they carry out their acts openly. Bush went to war inspired by God and as a consequence millions of civilians died.
@ReallyIni I echo planetstemveable's words below. Why aren't these Christian terrorist acts being reported by the edia, who love sticking it to any conservative entities? You can get hundreds of hits for ANY subject by googling it, so that proves nothing. Oklahoma City was NOT an act of Christian terrorism, McVeigh was an admitted atheist, and his motive had nothing to do with any religion. Environmentalists commit more terrorism than Christians.
@dancinkindofguy If Timothy McVeigh was an atheist how come he was inspired by the Waco siege to become a terrorist. That doesn't make much sense, don't you agree? I don't know the reason why the media does not shed more light on this. I can guess it might be because customers are more excited by a bearded Arab than one who looks like their own, and they are given what they want. Let's face it Christianity is a concept based on violence.
@ReallyIni McVeigh didn't give a squat about the Branch Davidians, just the government attacking a group of Americans he saw as non threatening. Exactly who are these Christians commiting terrorist acts? How can you expect the people reading this forum to believe you if you don't name them? Unlike Islam, Christianity is not based on violence. Jesus did not roam the countryside exhorting people to kill like Mohammed did.
@dancinkindofguy 1 My question was why would an atheist defend radical protestants against his government? I have looked through the forum and I've seen many Christian terrorists named, no need to repeat that. Christianity has many good feats but its core message is based ENTIRELY on violence. Judaism is based on violence (death penalty), Christianity is a branch of it. Serial killer Paul teaches that it is only through the BLOOD and DEATH of Jesus that humanity could be saved from their sins.
@ReallyIni Because McVeigh was already a hardened militia member before Waco; that just gave him an excuse to attack the government. I see name of people who killed someone and happeded to be Christian, doesn't make em Christian terrorists because Christianity was not their motivation to kill. Do you think Charles Manson was a Christian terrorist because he was born Christian? Saadaam Hussein was not a Muslim terrorist because his murder was not based on Islam.
I think people are confused. There are Muslims that explicitly kill in the name of Islam and Allah and there are people who kill and happen to be Muslim. How many examples can anyone give of someone explicitly killing in the name of Christianity and God who isn't just a person that kills and happens to be a Christian?
ISLAM STONES,KILLS THE APOSTATES.THE HADITHS TELL US THAT MUHAMMED TOOK ONE FIFTH OF THE BOOTY AND EVEN THE QURAN CONFIRMS IT, 8:41, 8:69.CAN YOU IMAGINE A MAN OF GOD TAKING PEOPLE'S POSSESSIONS AS BOOTY?THIS IS STEALING IN A BRUTAL WAY. THE QURAN TELLS US THAT MUHAMMED HAD SEX SLAVES FROM CAPTIVES TAKEN AS BOOTY,33:50-52 AN D TI TELLS MUSLIMS TO FIGHT UNTIL THE WHOLE WORLD BECOMES MUSLIMS, 8:39, 9:29.IF CHRISTIANS KILLED THEY DID IT WITHOUT ANY JUSTIFICATIONS IN THE GOSPELS TO DO IT, ISLAM DOES
THIS IS JOKE TO SAY THAT CHRISTIANS KILL TODAY. TRUE, CHRISTIANS WERE LIKE MOST PEOPLE IN THE PAST, BRUTAL? BUT CAN YOU SAY THAT THEY HAD A JUSTIFICATION IN THE GOSPELS TO DO IT? CAN YOU SAY THAT THEY WERE IMITATING JESUS? NON. JESUS PREACHED LOVE, PEACE, HE WAS NEVER INVOLVED IN WARS EVEN WHEN PERSECUTED, SAVED A WOMEN FROM BEING STONED, ISLAM TONES. WHEN MUSLIMS KILL THEY HAVE JUSTIFICATIONS IN THE QURAN. THE VIOLENCE OF THE QURNA IS CONFIRMED IN THE HADITHS WHERE MUHAMMED KILLS, LOOTS
@DictaduraNo123 Um have you heard of the crusades. American slavery. um kkk. Christians have exploited African coutries. Promoted killing people. I know you dont like using the the first half of the the bible the old testatment which i think is so dumb. How can it be a holy book if you pick and choose what you want to believe about your religion. Do you hear muslims saying we dont read the first part of the quran. We anyway the old testament involves alot of prophets, hmm "Jacob"
Name one,OK."Eric Robert Rudolph,is a criminal responsible for a series of bombings across the southern United States between 1996 and 1998, which killed two people and injured at least 150 others in the name of an anti-abortion and anti-gay agenda.The Federal Bureau of Investigation considers him a terrorist."I could also name some crusaders,and more,but you asked for only one.You can pull this video now.Leave the rational arguments to those who who validate knowledge with reason not faith.
HERE is ONE "christian" who was a murderer...Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn’t care for his preaching. Matthew 11:20
YOUR GOD. And there is more verses where YOUR god murders innocent women,children,men, AND EVEN animals or he gives permission to others to do the same.
@malakoz .....you can have your own opinions all day long - just not your own facts....Hitler was an atheist....this is widely known and well documented. Thanks for coming.
@planetsteveable "Hitler was an atheist....this is widely known and well documented."
Where exactly is it documented? Surely not in Mein Kampf.
Even if you could prove that he wasn't a christian it wouldn't prove that he was an atheist so I suppose you can show me some documents from Hitler in which he declares himself to be an atheist.
@Ronilowich "Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction,a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air;consequently,all character training and religion must be derived from faith ...we need believing people."-Adolf Hitler,April 26,1933,speech made during the Nazi-Vatican Concordant.It was widely accepted that the earth was flat.Many people had faith that it was true.They like you were wrong.Hitler was a mystic.
@fctchk .....sorry.....i know of 2 confirmed cases of anti - abortion violence in the name of Christianity in my lifetime......tragic but nonetheless isolated incidents - does not rise to the level of systematic institutionalized violence in the name of Islam. Advantage: Jesus
@planetsteveable You know of two? Good, then It appears that Mr. Smiley has more than met your smug challenge of naming for you "even one".
Actually, if you were to actually read the link I provided for you, you'd find many more but that would require intellectual honesty - not the bailiwick of godbotherers.
@fctchk .....which I would have agreed with Mr. Smiley had he pointed out those two, and then identified them as isolated incidents in stark contrast to the systemic institutionalized violence in the name of "allah"
Well Steve the crusades was mass slaughter in the name of religion. But you are right that ppl in western countries don't kill in the name of religion anymore. Also since there are FAR more Christians than Muslims in the US there will be more violence by Christians- tho not in the name of religion.
And Jabril- Mohammed himself killed many Jews & for centuries millions of Hindus in India were brutally murdered by the hands of invading, uninvited Muslims. The west is not responsible for this.
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 There's no such thing as "preference" when it comes to Al-Qur'an. As I said, the problem of the hypocrites is discussed here. They had outwardly embraced Islam in Makka and in other parts of Arabia, but instead of migrating to the Domain of Islam they continued co live among their own people who were unbelievers, taking part in all their hostile behavior against Islam and the Muslims. So, ALLAH(s.w.t) revealed to the Muslims on how to deal with such people like them.
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 Call it whatever you want. But, as long as there are Muslims in Muslim Lands, there will be a urge to revive the Khilafah.
And of course there is no system of government worthy and acceptable to be used by Muslims for Muslims. The only system that is worthy is the one ALLAH(s.w.t) has given us.
And how is it "compulsion" if MUSLIMS want it for MUSLIMS in MUSLIM lands?!
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 Does it look like I care what a Saudi "king" published? A monarchy is forbidden in Islam to begin with.
Secondly, that verse says:
"Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war..."
It's dealing with hypocrites just as EVERY nation deals with their traitors.
The problem is, you're reacting to the actions of dictators. Not Islam.
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 Changed my tune? Secondly, "admit"? Have you been living under a rock for the past 80yrs? Muslims BEEN wanting a revival of the Khilafah and BEEN referencing Al-Qur'an and Sunnah to do it.
Third, the Khilafah has always been a goal of the Muslims for 1400 yrs. As far as "going on the offensive" and "fighting those who fight us", even though we ALWAYS had done this, it has really been in thrown effect in retaliation of western oppression.
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 They're not "Anti-Jewish" either. Muslims and Jews have lived in peace for hundreds of years before the Zionists came. It was Muslims lands the Jews rushed too when they were being persecuted by Hitler. It was Muslims who were seen as liberators of Jews BY Jews from their Roman christian oppressors.
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 Nowhere are there "intolerant" versus in Al-Qur'an. Let it be known and understood that Islam is not a pacifist religion. We fight those who fight us. The reason why the Nobel Prophet(s.a.w) had to fight was because he was being attacked and the way of life that he brought became a threat to the pagans. I didn't say that those Jihadis are "false Muslims". I would say that they are misguided.
And there's no such thing as "preference" when regarding Al-Qur'an.
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 Actually, If you say Jihadist are violent, depending on your definition, I would actually agree. Many of them don't actually know what they're talking about. If you ask them to give references from Al-Qur'an or Hadiths, they'll go off on some rhetoric. And if you give them references on how they are wrong, they will say you aren't a "real Muslim".
Secondly, my logic is well on. I am showing the video author that he shouldn't through stones because he live in a glass house.
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 Muslims don't have the same imperialist desires. You can't equate the desires of the west with Islam. Slavery in the east was no where near slavery in the west. And how in the world could a Muslim, much less an arab be "anti-Semitic"? Do you know what you're saying? Prophet Muhammad(s.a.w), many of the noble prophets, and the arabs, and eve some Africans, are semitic. So how?
If there's any group of people that's comparable with the Nazis, it's the zionists.
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 The Caliphates were a product of what Al-Qur'an and The Prophet(s.a.w) instructed Muslims to have. It's a necessity and goes far beyond Arabs. Also, the Caliphates were way before the western imperialism rose.
Secondly, of course Muslims want to spread Islam. Who's disputing that? Just like the christians want to spread Christianity. However, Muslims know that 'There's no compulsion in religion'.
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 ...your just typing without thought...never did I excuse religious extremism coming from the "muslim world", BUT you must not excuse it coming from the "christian world"....you wear your ignorance with great confidence, you failed to denounce the terror of organizations such as the KKK (which did exist within the last 40 yrs) an organization which WAS perhaps IS an extention of various political/social organizations throughout the US.....the burning cross speaks volumes
sabrencia 8 thousand muslim men and children were shot dead by the command of kardic, who by the way was or is a church going christain, but i guess that doesnt count
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 Seriously, calm down. I will admit my brothers did over react, but they wanted to make sure she, or anybody, wasn't mocking the Prophet (s.a.w). You see, we actually honor our prophets.
And that's fine for those people leaving, but every statistic shows, even with Islam hate being propagated, it's still the world's fastest growing religion. And that's because Islam is not violent.
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 Actually the Prophet (s.a.w) is quite clear about the non-believers; “Whoever hurts a non Muslim, I shall be his complainant and for whoever I am a complainant, I shall ask for his right on the day of Resurrection.”
I actually can say Islam spread "defensively". If not, it wouldn't be the fastest growing religion in the world nor would there be any Christians alive in Muslim countries. Islam only allows offensive when a Muslim is being attacked.
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 "Islam only went on the offensive when the western powers started imposing their will on Muslim lands."
Islam is not violent, but it does not allow Muslims sit around while the western imperialists powers are terrorizing them. It might be "violent" to you, but it's Freedom Fighting to those who are being terrorized.
Your argument is that of a typical hypocrite; "prosecute them for something that we ourselves do".
This is the problem; Christians are always talking about Islam being a violent religion. When their own history contradicts them. Muslims didn't throw Jews in ovens, stole land from Native Americans, enslaved not only Black people in America, but in European colonies in Africa, dropped atomic bombs in Hiroshima, and much more.
Islam only went on the offensive when the western powers started imposing their will on Muslim lands.
@planetsteveable So, throwing Jews in ovens, stealing land from Native Americans, enslaving not only Black people in America, but in European colonies in Africa, dropping atomic bombs in Hiroshima, and much more is what Christianity teaches?
@planetsteveable You clearly didn't read the comment then. There's a reason you think the Christian cases of terrorism are isolated while you connect the ones committed by Muslims.. You live in the west. Any violent act carried out by a muslim is promoted in the media as part of Islamic extremism (as if it's all part of one giant conspiracy), while those carried out by Christians either aren't reported or they're depicted as an isolated act.
And to answer your question, here's a list of Christians who have murdered/bombed/etc in the name of their faith: Army of God, NLFT, Manmasi National Christian Army, Iron Guard, Lancieri, IRA, Timothy McVeigh, The Lord's Resistance Army, the KKK, Lambs of Christ, Scott Roeder, Hutaree, Arm of the Lord, The Freemen Community, Church of God, Christian Identity, Concerned Christians, Eric Roudolph...... do you need me to keep going?
@SpliffTheGeneral .....Jesus - how many times do i have to keep saying this?!...... i am talking about in my lifetime....don't you understand that as far a i'm concerned all of human history begins and ends with me! ;D
@planetsteveable lmao the majority of ppl/groups i listed were during your lifetime... that is unless you're under 15 years old, which I highly doubt.
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 You could have understood my point if you wanted to, but you obviously don't...I made an error by saying not Exclusive to"Islam" instead of saying "Islamic countries." but let me rephrase it anyways...
Honor killings is A cultural problem..Yes its practiced in SOME Muslim countries, but that does not mean its ISLAMIC culture..long story short..Just because a Muslim did it does not make it ISLAMIC....that is assuming that you know the difference.
No ones' asking you to answer for anyone. But, you cannot expect "the rest of the world", to sit back and gobble up the hog wash that emanates from your society about the "evil world out there" while we can see the nonsense that obtains in yours and which SEVERAL prominent individuals in your society either brazenly support, don't condemn or lend tacit support to as the need arises.
Oh, okay! I see so, you are better now that you've "upgraded" the African American "nigger" from the lowly status of monkey to "good guy", huh? And you've now identified a new "bad guy", the A-Rab, huh? LOL!! You're indeed a very interesting bunch. LOL!!
LOL!! Your society is a compendium of contradictions. On the one hand you condemn the Arabs for discriminating against people for reason of religion. However, you, the self-righteous American are a better person because, not ONLY do you discriminate against people for reason of SUSPECTED religion as you've done with Obama, you also discriminate against people on the basis of race i.e. "he isn't a true American". LOL!! Very rich, no?
So, is it possible that a person who is an ally today can also become a "bad guy" tomorrow? Or better yet, can a person who is "human" today, become "not fully human" tomorrow and therefore, subject to inhuman treatment and "enhanced interrogation techniques"?
So, can you see that you aren't really different from your forebears who classified some people as "human" and others as "not fully human". You just call some people "good guys" and others "bad guys", yeah?
LOL!! I see? So, back then, those who were not "fully human" were to be treated like animals, huh? And now, only the "bad guys" should be treated like animals, huh? Can you KINDLY detail the parameters that can make a person become a "bad guy"? Did you hear that a former Guantanamo Bay "terrorist detainee" is now among the "rebels" who are fighting Ghaddafi in Libya? In fact, he was described as an "ally" by your dailies?
If you really are a "better and less violent" people than your forebears, why then are you resorting to the tools that your forebears used to create a system that is inherently beneficial to you but, not to others? Why is the issue of "enhanced interrogation methods" even coming up for debate? Why would your Congress refuse to close down Guantanamo, Baghram, etc when the purpose of those detention centers is SPECIFICALLY to allow you the ability to torture people?
This just highlights the fact that YOU the Western Christian and the Muslim are pretty much the same in terms of propensity for evil, violent disregard for human life and respect for other cultures. The reason for your conflict with them isn't because you are peace lovers and they are violent, but, because, at this point in history, you have established a system that favours you but not them.
Absolutely! I am well aware of the deleterious role of Islam on that continent. I am ABSOLUTELY aware of it. And I am also aware that "Abid" is the epithet the Arab world uses to describe Black people which was why Bin Laden's right hand man, Ayman Al Zawahiri, described Obama as "Abid al bayet" i.e. "House Nigger".
Would you have done that if you were really "better people" than your forebears were? Have you gone around South America to inquire from those south Americans who know their history i.e. from Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Chile, etc as to their opinion of you? Have you been to Angola, Congo, Philippines, Haiti, Vietnam, etc to inquire as to the nature of person they think the American is given their not so distant interaction with you?
Take the War on Terror for example. Post-WW II the West became a "moral arbiter" of sorts - proscribing torture, espousing universal human rights, suffrage, women's rights, etc. But, what has happened in the few short years after this so-called "War on Terror" began? You have reached back in time and dug up the tools of torture, euphemistically called "enhanced interrogation techniques" which your forebears employed.
Yes. That's EXACTLY what I'm telling you. The average young American is the way he is, not because he is a better person than his forebears, but, because he no longer needs the level of racism, wickedness and propensity for violence that his forbears had to employ in order to impose their preferred system on others.
LOL!! You HATE history and that is why you "don't need it" because, it sets the status quo in context and cast you in a VERY NEGATIVE light. Whereas, you'd have us believe that things are as they should be and everyone should just have fun and enjoy life and forget their history. Why? Simply because, recounting history and tracing our antecedents with you tells us EXACTLY how we go to where we are today and the TRUE NATURE of being you and your religion are.
Not because Americans have become "better people" but, because, you have established your preferred system and the Natives pose no threat to it. However, does that mean that if they could, there aren't Native Americans who would LOVE to attack and destroy the US based on how they and their forebears were treated? Does that mean that their grievance isn't justified simply because some holier-than-thou American descendant of settlers calls them "terrorists"?
LOL!! You don't have to because you've spent the last 5 centuries killing off all opposition to your preferred system. Can you tell me why it will make sense for the American govt to hound Native Americans in this day and age in a manner similar to what you did when you first invaded their lands? It will be totally absurd. And why is that?
The ONLY reason why Christians and the West now act like "long suffering" peace loving people is because you've spent centuries using EXTREME VIOLENCE AND WICKEDNESS building a world system that favours you. Now that you've established that system, you no longer have need for the tools your fathers employed and you only have to preserve that system and "keep the order" they helped you establish by way of violence. History tells me how pacifist you really are.
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 Are the Boers of S. Africa not some of the most conservative Christians on that continent? Does MOST of the KKK's membership not come from the so called "Bible Belt" of the US and the Southern states which are more religiously conservative than other regions of that country? Why is there an OBVIOUS correlation between Bible thumping and regions of entrenched racism in the US ? Could it be that there are passages in that book that justify such discrimination?
Oh, really? So "those who take these Qur'anic verses literally end up acting violently", huh? And those who take Bible verses literally don't? Can you remind us of some of the verses your colonialist and slave trading/ owning forebears used to justify their "exploits"? Were churches and missionaries not ALWAYS the harbingers of colonization in Africa, the Americas, Australia, New Zealand, Asia, etc?
So, what do you mean by "isolated cases"? Let me guess? You must be White, yeah? Which is why the thousands of extra judicial police killings that occur in the US seem like "isolated cases" to you. And the occasional one that makes the headlines due to such nuisances as eye witness testimony and videos is also an "isolated case", huh?
Wasn't the prosecution of Mehserle ONLY because so many passengers on that train had filmed the incident on their cellphones and made their recordings available to the public that that case was RELUCTANTLY prosecuted? How many other cases of such extra judicial murders by your govt thugs have been prosecuted compared to the others where your police are said to have "followed departmental rules"?
Can you remind us of what his punishment was? Do you know how many other extra judicial police killings have happened in Oakland, CA and all over the US since then ALL of which involved minority victims? Can yo tell us how your govt handles such cases, such that more often than not, the lightest of sentences are handed down or the case doesn't even make it to court?
Is that statement a joke? Wasn't it only last year that people who had been implicated in the murder of Civil Rights Activists in the 60's were brought to trial? Can you count he number of administrations that have held office since that offense and why it is only now that that case is being prosecuted? Have you heard of Johannes Mehserle the Oakland cop who killed a hand cuffed Black man at point blank range on a BART station platform?
Question posed: "Sir, with all due respect, please name for me even one christian who has ever either murdered somebody or done anything even close to that in the name of their faith"
Answer: How about god's instructions to destroy the city of Amalek?
I dare say that, but for their STRICT religious and cultural rules and norms, the Arabs i.e. Palestinians would've been reduced to the all manner of lasciviousness, moral decadence and alcoholism that are the PRIMARY legacy of native contact with Europeans in the Americas, Australia, New Zealand, etc. And that is why the West has taken it upon itself to aggressively assail these aspects of Arab culture, religious devotion and morality, in recent years.
Tavis Smiley is the BIGGEST IDIOT ON THE GLOBE #FAIL
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He doesn't even understand the most simple notion behind religious terrorism. It's not about someone who happens to be of a faith and commits a crime, it's about when the criminal is MOTIVATED BY HIS RELIGION to commit his crimes.
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I cannot believe this man is on TV when his mental capabilities are the ones of an infant. This stupidity has almost readched islamic proportions.
Anywho, the Sunni, Shiite war within Islam kills people daily and is not comparable to a hatred of gays.
As for the Tuscon shootings; Jewish decent? so what- it was not his juddhaism that led to his actions, it was his insanity. There is no need to believe things are equatable when they clearly are not
@Titoscudd There are millions of muslims in India. The attempt to partition it to separate the muslims and the hindus and buddhists (forming Pakistan) failed completely. India is becoming more modern and has promise as a great secular power in Asia.
LOL!! 10 - 15 years ago, India was a basket case. The ONLY reason why India is "rising" is because of American patronage due to America's desire to set India up as a bulwark against a rising China. PERIOD. Remove all the concessions America is giving India and India will be back to square one in less than 2 years.
Is this a joke? C'mon now!! What about Dr. George Tiller, who ran an abortion clinic, who was stalked and killed in his church by an anti-abortionist? Has his killer not repeatedly made references to his faith and conviction that killing babies is a sin? What about the guy who shot Senator Giffords? Is it not RUMORED that he is in fact, of Jewish descent?
@Titoscudd both of those....while deeply tragic....amount to two isolated incidents. "Honor killings", on the other hand, are a pattern and in fact an integral part of the extremist doctrine of the Muslim ideology - fully endorsed by said extremists. There is no paralell to this to be found anywhere within the Christian faith.
Are you kidding? Are you ignorant of the fact that similar killings happen in India? Are Indians Muslims? LOL!! Do you know what happens to Indian brides who don't pay sufficient bride prices? They're set ablaze or beaten to death by their in-laws. Does that not speak to tradition rather than religion?
By the way, what do you mean by "isolated cases"? What about David Koresh and Jim Jones? What about all those who support the guy who killed Tiller and have been sending him cards and prayers? Are they also a fringe group? Hasn't the recent killing of gays in Uganda been linked to a flood of Evangelical "preachers" who went there to preach intolerance of gays? Is it not a continuation of the same themes that permeated the evangelical ranks in the 80's?
Weren't American Evangilicals tolerant of homophobic violence throughout the 80's and early 90's? Is that part of the "extremist doctrine of the Christian ideology"?
Hadn't such "good Christians" like Senator Trent Lott once compared homosexuals with "thieves" i.e. both are criminals? What's the difference between that and the criminalization of homosexuality by Iran? Are they not both "extreme doctrines of the Muslim and Christian ideology"?
Yet, Trent Lott served in the US senate from 1998 to 2007 not because of defeat at the polls but, because he resigned for declaring his support for racist ideologies.
C'mon now! Your clip challenges Tavis' assertion that Christian religious extremism accounts for a higher number of violent acts in America than Muslim extremism. The fact that Trent Lott resigned does not demonstrate that Christian religious extremism doesn't exist. It may demonstrate the American society's intolerance of it, but, it doesn't disprove the existence of it nor does it refute the fact that such Christian groups have perpetrated more violence in America.
@planetsteveable WRONG! Honor killings are a cultural practice that has nothing to do with Islam Christians/ Sephardic Jews/Druze/Yazidis/Sikhs/Hindus as well as Muslims who live in South & South West Asia practice the horrendous practice of Honour Killings. IT is a cultural practice of the people who live in South & Southwest Asia. If this were a Muslim practice then how come Muslims in West Africa, South East Asia, Central Asia, and the Balkans don't practice it?
@planetsteveable Honor killings is not something exclusive to Islam. In fact Islam warns against honor killings..Its a cultural problem more than its a religious one..Yes its practice in Muslims nations , but its also practiced in non-Muslim nations such as India, most of Africa, and some other Asian nations....Don't base your hatred for Islam on a cultural problems.
Excuse me, you are a victim of your ingrained propensity to rummage through garbage to find anything that you may hold up as justification for your prejudices. Is India a Muslim country? Do you know what happens to brides whose in-laws feel hadn't paid sufficient dowry? They are killed in the most brutal manner and in fact, they may be electrocuted or burned alive.
@planetsteveable In cases where a couple from different castes try to marry, the offended family could murder them in "honour killings". Is this not a practice among HINDUS of India? Have you EVER condemned the whole of India and Hinduism for this practice? Are Hindus Muslims? You go and try to marry a Indian Sikh girl against her father's wishes and see what will happen. So, what does that tell you about this practice of "Honour Killings" and the culture of that region?
@Titoscudd well, once again, if you really believe that violence inflicted in the name of the Christian faith exceeds that of the Muslim faith....that's your perogative. You just haven't advanced anything to substantiate it. That's all.
Excuse me, but, don't reduce issues to the point of ridicule. At issue isn't the question as to whether or not "violence invlicted in the name of the Christian faith exceeds that of the Muslim faith.." and you know that. Your DELIBERATE use of elipsis obscures the IMPORTANT fact that the question specifically relates to what obtains "in America".
I therefore CHALLENGE you to KINDLY come up with a list of Christian extremist violence in the US and juxtapose it with a similar list of Muslim extremist violence in the US and lets see whose list of atrocities is longer. An exercise such as this, will put this argument to rest once and for all.
What Planet does this guy live on? Us and euopean Christians killed hundreds of thousands of Muslims in the Middle East and Asia in the last 20 years.
everyone is entitled their opinion & i've got no problem with that but let's deal the FACT & don't tell me what u r claiming is in the QUR'AN! infact the violence u mentioned is in the BIBLE! so don't point your finger at others when u have your own. again the violence u r claiming is not in the QUR'AN & the verses u r talking have been revealed when the muslims were on a battle against their enemy at that time & they fought when they were attacked & so tell me is that crime?!
do you know what the jews tribes did to the muslims at that time? if u do you wouldn't asked me this question but unfortunately you are just quoting the propaganda of the media which as we know nowadays gives muslims and islam a bad image which has no base on this peaceful religion at all so i'd say we should speak the fact and not to be narrow minded. there are alot like u.
good point, I think a lot of the "christian" accusations are more accurately directed at the actions of the Roman Catholic church which has been in opposition to protestant faith and beliefs from it's inception and establishment by the emperor Constantine !
shieldsff 2 weeks ago
To the author, which society has contributed mainly in the peacefull society you live in, if not from Islam? What were Christians constitutions and individual rights before the secular liberalism spread widely; even the modern secular liberalism was created due to the oppressions of the Churches and got its ideas from Islam. Check out US Constitutions, a great portion is from Islam.
bewareofdajjal 2 weeks ago
@planetsteveable I understand it seems that way to you. It seems that was to many. But the facts prove otherwise. You rely on how things seem to you or facts? Non stop news about Muslims, of course it would seem that way. But my point is, it's not. Peace to you brother. My intention is to unite us only. We are all humans
sexyabe 3 weeks ago
@planetsteveable what about the Norway killer? George bush is a devout Christian as is Obama and they have killed millions of
Civilians. What about the guy that stabbed Muslim cab driver in neck? Look up FBI stats, Christians lead in terrorism in the U.S. Muslims are last after Jews.
sexyabe 4 weeks ago
@sexyabe hmmmm...3167 Americans killed on September 11th, 2001 ....in the name of Islam ....seems to me like they claim the top spot.
planetsteveable 3 weeks ago
That is completely true-- But claiming that the KKK, Manson, Breivik, and the various anti-abortion terrorist groups (just to name a few) are not religiously motivated is just plain ignorance. Not to mention the millions killed in the crusades (which is a lame cliche answer, but still valid.)
RadioNothing 3 weeks ago
Guys , you dont like ,muslims so dont watch this , and FUCK YOU -.-
12Nudler 1 month ago
hmm.. if he hate muslimes... i go kill all motherfucker christian like 9/11
12Nudler 1 month ago
This guy needs to educate himself. Look in Wiki under "Christianity and violence", google the crusades, the inquisition, christian holy wars, northern ireland bombings, conquest of the new world deaths, american indian genocide, australia genocide aborigines, and ten thousand more topics that show Fundamental Christians and most fanatical adherents to any religion can justify evil behaviour. Islam is the worst offender. It is codified into the Quran, haddiths and traditions. Want a Sex Slave?
SuperJoeFreedom 1 month ago
@SuperJoeFreedom .....know what all those things you cited for Christian based violence have in common?.... none of them happened in our lifetime. Let the past answer for itself - i'm talking about the here and now.
planetsteveable 1 month ago
This guy need to go the prisons and see how many Christian killers. Onemore thing go to the churchs where fuck Lil boys
AHMEDBULAXUBEY 1 month ago
This guy is forgeting the spanish conquistador of south America. They killed millions Native American in the name of Christianity. There you have it troll. I can name more than one.
ansar1919 2 months ago
this man need to send to a mental institution
MrBigboss20011 2 months ago
Hitler’s faith is in dispute. Publicly he said he was a christian but some accounts of statements he made in private seems to indicate that he might have had a somewhat torn relationship with Christianity.
Politikradion 2 months ago
Here are just a few people who are CHRISTIANS: - The guy in Arizona who shot Rep. Giffords and KILLED SIX PEOPLE - The guy in Lakewood, WA who killed 4 cops and said he had visions of Jesus
Of course their faith was not mentioned much at all in the reporting. Just here and there, not in headlines.
PeacefulLiving1 3 months ago
@PeacefulLiving1 There is a big difference between being a Christian and killing someone and killing with Christianity as your motive. If a Methodist kills a guy for sleeping with his wife, that is NOT Christian terrorism. The guy who shot Giffords was just a nut, nothing motivated him beyond he wanted to make a name for himself. He didn't go out and shoot those people after reading the New Testament. On the other hand muslim fanats shout Allah Akbar before killing.
dancinkindofguy 1 month ago
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OMG what the hell are you talking about , do you even have friends ?
MrBigboss20011 3 months ago
terrorist kill more muslims each day than they kill non-muslims. all terrorist are CHRISTIANS and JEWS. they get their ideologies from crusades and nazis. no muslim man has ever INVADED any country in the name of history. they claim to be muslims but they are not. they christians and jews. we muslims we dont kill nor harm. leave us alone you cunts.!!!
somrazy3 3 months ago
What about the Crusades? Is the Klu Klux Klan's primary goal not to re establish Protestant values? Don't say that there is no christian terrorism. There can be radicalism in every faith when not properly practiced.
chicitay52 3 months ago
the missionaries , the kkk , the ppl responsible for the transatlantic slave trade nepolean bonaparte ,the american settlers , the union and confederate armies, the american revolutionaries , tim mcviegn , the crusades , constatine , hitler, the roman catholic church just to name a few that killed in the name of christdom
MrDuce718 3 months ago
@chirectomy
obviously a self hating christian..
boliussa 4 months ago
how many muslims were killed by EVANGELICAL CRISTIANS, IN IRAQ?
650.000 MUSLIMS WERE KILLED BY CRISTIANS<
erhan2brother 4 months ago
@chirectomy Nah, can't be bothered hating the guy. He's just sad, like so many believers.
gaynomadic 4 months ago
Name only one? Easy! the Norwegian terrorist! "Anders Behring Breivik"!! you cant deny that!!!..
BinDarwish 4 months ago
@BinDarwish Breivik wasn't interested in any religion. He is simply sick
GodOfUnbelief 4 months ago
I think he forgot about crusades, killings between Catholics and Protestants(most recent example Northern Ireland??remember), burning of women as witches, slavery (all under the blessings of Church), abuse of thousands of boys by clergy.
Most recently Oklahoma bombing, and shotting in Norway(not that long)???
And correct me if I am wrong Hitler was a Christian as well who wanted to kill all the Jews (and succeeded in killing over 6 million of them)
icbg63123 4 months ago
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1 SAMUEL 15:3 NIV - Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them.Do not spare them;put to death men and women, CHILDREN and INFANTS, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys!
icbg63123 4 months ago
Oh, and one last comment. I actually agree with you in regards to the stupid comment by Tavis Smiley. I don't think he could see that all these murders in America (or at least a majority) may be committed by Christians, but that does not mean they were committed BECAUSE they were Christian. It is the killing of others BECAUSE of religion which Islam currently has a monopoly on and it is this which Ayaan was referring to.
hungryman211 4 months ago
As for an example of Christians killing for their faith, it does happen in certain areas of the world, though I acknowledge it is much less common these days then happens among Islamic purists (extremists). Through history, however there have been many wars through Europe started purely for the cause of Christianity (the various crusades are just the most obvious). The only reason Christians rarely act this way now is due to secular reasoning and morals.
hungryman211 4 months ago
Hitler was catholic; he was doing his interpretation of Gods work. All Nazi soldiers made their pledge to Hitler in the name of God. There were Christian symbols upon their uniform. This ridiculous assertion that Hitler was an atheist has to stop. There is of course a great example of a crack-pot atheist who killed millions in the past century: Stalin. This does not, however, mean that Stalin killed BECAUSE he was an atheist. He killed for power and used the church as his model.
hungryman211 4 months ago
I wonder how you came to such conclusion from my saying that unfortunately, evil is not limited to ignorant muslims. It is inclusive of all ignorant[s]. Those people who are KKK may have Ph. D. in the best of disciples, they forget all of that when their evil hearts are engulfed in effort of evil. Everyone is responsible for his/her action, including stopping evil within and without. Nothing makes you do evil that are not willing to do. But perfect guidance will wake your conscience up.
lionabbass 4 months ago
When Christianity can't stop somebody from committing atrocity, will you not attribute the evil deeds of the Post Office murderers to Christianity, just because they do not say Christianity made me do it? When Christianity does not stop them, it is therefore guilty, just like when the KKK used it to string people on the trees.
I think thats what Mr. Smiley was saying. You don't have to voice it for us to know it was there. If it can't stop you, please not that it had egged you on.
lionabbass 4 months ago
@lionabbass How does an ideology stop anybody from doing anything? Using your logic if any of us who posted to this video goes out and kills somebody, it's YouTubes fault for not stopping us.
dancinkindofguy 4 months ago
go suck a dick
ashbrauw 5 months ago
go suck a dick
ashbrauw 5 months ago
This lady was a zionist implant in the Dutch society
Rajachemayel 5 months ago
However I do agree with you in that Smiley, whose intellect is so immensely inferior to that of Ayaan Hirsi Ali has seemed to confuse American crime with christian crime. Which I can only guess stems from his distorted belief that 80 to 90 percent of Americans are christians, which is just false. You are simi-correct; crime in the name of christianity occurs but not everyday all over the place as Smiley would have you believe. But that does not exonerate christianity from its horrific past.
TheWillIamLee87 5 months ago
Muslims and Christians are equally dangerous. Take a damn history course to see how terrible christianity can be. Not to mention their agreement with hitler and a call to prayer every year on his birthday and their helping high ranking nazis escape to South America. Pre 20th century christian history is even more horrible all the way back to where it (didn't) begin. Not to mention you have christians blowing up abortion clinics and shooting doctors. Rev. Paul HIll for one. Enlighten yourself man
TheWillIamLee87 5 months ago
Tavis said that the Columbine killings were Christian-fueled...I HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT..
I agree with you. Smiley is way off..
It's a difference between a person committing murder that happens to be a Christian versus killing someone in the name of that religion.
wow
bdw123bdw 5 months ago
Christians are just better in covering up their mistakes..
FullFledged2010 5 months ago
2 christian = anders breivik, gilles de rais
1 massacre = sabra and shatila 328 to 3,500 deaths... caused by christians....
1 pedo = david koresh
not to include the many killings and wars in 3rd world countries... due to beliefs
Please do not try to make out christians to be Victims...
i'm not against christianity... But sin is everywhere... And for me christianity has been the most hypocritical religion i've ever seen....
CMROfficial 5 months ago
Name 1 Christian, only millions of them have done it.
CHRISTIANABUSED 5 months ago
Name one? Ok how about EVERY last "ONE" of those responsible for attacking Iraq and MURDERING innocent people including George Bush. Timothy Mcveigh, The Uni-Bomber, The KKK..........where have you been my friend?
Harzburgitic 5 months ago
What a dweeby wanker this poor sad fucker is. People like him make me glad I was born with brains enough to avoid all religions like the plague.
gaynomadic 5 months ago
@gaynomadic ....funny thing...i just never seem to do very well with those gay nomadics.....oh well...
planetsteveable 5 months ago
@gaynomadic ....funny thing...i just never seem to do very well with those gay nomadics.....oh well...
planetsteveable 5 months ago
@gaynomadic ....funny thing...i just never seem to do very well with those gay nomadics.....oh well...
planetsteveable 5 months ago
@planetsteveable It has been documented that Christian fundamentalist terrorism in the US (blowing up abortion clinics, WTC etc.) has claimed most lives when compared to other branches of terror attacks on the US from in or outside. I am surprised that you don't seem to know that.
ReallyIni 1 month ago
@gaynomadic Oh, what did he say that is untrue? I'd say the guy who throws out assertations and doesn't bother to back them up is the sad fucker. Planetsteveble makes his points and then backs them up. Because someone from a "supposed Christian background" commits a crime does not mean Christianity motivated him to do it, unlike the Islamic terrorists who shout Allah Achbar before wasting some infidels. That guy sites Columbine as an example when he doesn't know squat about the killers.
dancinkindofguy 4 months ago
@dancinkindofguy your last argument may be true but it has been documented that Christian fundamentalist terrorism in the US (blowing up abortion clinics, WTC etc.) has claimed most lives when compared to other branches of terror attacks on the US from in or outside. I am surprised that some people like you and planet don't seem to know that.
ReallyIni 1 month ago
@ReallyIni documrented by whom? How many killings have been done in the last 10 years by Christian fundamentalists? I'll give you the guy who killed Tiller, the abortion doctor. Other than him, who? The Ft. Hood killer killed more by himself than all the abortion clinics....and why do you have WTC in parens after mentioning Christian fundys? Are you saying that CHRISTIANS destroyed the World Trade Center? You're probably going to tell me Bush did it!
dancinkindofguy 1 month ago
@dancinkindofguy oops sorry, it was the Oklahoma City bombing. I can't get into detail here but Christian terrorism does happen every other day across the country, please google it, or look it up on wikipedia under anti abortion violence and/or Christian fundamentalism. It is a fact. Sorry about that. I'm not wanting to condone Islamic terrorism, but Christian terrorism is a fact and has claimed more lives than any other terrorist activity on US soil.
ReallyIni 1 month ago
@ReallyIni abortion clinics being blown up - while trajic - actually happens so infrequently that it is fair to call this event a "one - off" ....while terrorism is the Islamic extremists stock in trade. thanks for coming.
planetsteveable 1 month ago
@planetsteveable Welcome. The Ku Klux Klan, the Army of God and related groups are not one offs they are organized and structured and propagate an armed battle with Christianity their ideological foundation. You will find similar fanatics in Africa where witch hunt is the order of the day. Also Christians haven't always needed to resort to an underground battle as they carry out their acts openly. Bush went to war inspired by God and as a consequence millions of civilians died.
ReallyIni 1 month ago
@ReallyIni I echo planetstemveable's words below. Why aren't these Christian terrorist acts being reported by the edia, who love sticking it to any conservative entities? You can get hundreds of hits for ANY subject by googling it, so that proves nothing. Oklahoma City was NOT an act of Christian terrorism, McVeigh was an admitted atheist, and his motive had nothing to do with any religion. Environmentalists commit more terrorism than Christians.
dancinkindofguy 1 month ago
@dancinkindofguy If Timothy McVeigh was an atheist how come he was inspired by the Waco siege to become a terrorist. That doesn't make much sense, don't you agree? I don't know the reason why the media does not shed more light on this. I can guess it might be because customers are more excited by a bearded Arab than one who looks like their own, and they are given what they want. Let's face it Christianity is a concept based on violence.
ReallyIni 1 month ago
@ReallyIni McVeigh didn't give a squat about the Branch Davidians, just the government attacking a group of Americans he saw as non threatening. Exactly who are these Christians commiting terrorist acts? How can you expect the people reading this forum to believe you if you don't name them? Unlike Islam, Christianity is not based on violence. Jesus did not roam the countryside exhorting people to kill like Mohammed did.
dancinkindofguy 1 month ago
@dancinkindofguy 1 My question was why would an atheist defend radical protestants against his government? I have looked through the forum and I've seen many Christian terrorists named, no need to repeat that. Christianity has many good feats but its core message is based ENTIRELY on violence. Judaism is based on violence (death penalty), Christianity is a branch of it. Serial killer Paul teaches that it is only through the BLOOD and DEATH of Jesus that humanity could be saved from their sins.
ReallyIni 1 month ago
@ReallyIni Because McVeigh was already a hardened militia member before Waco; that just gave him an excuse to attack the government. I see name of people who killed someone and happeded to be Christian, doesn't make em Christian terrorists because Christianity was not their motivation to kill. Do you think Charles Manson was a Christian terrorist because he was born Christian? Saadaam Hussein was not a Muslim terrorist because his murder was not based on Islam.
dancinkindofguy 1 month ago
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Name one Christian who killed in the name of his faith okay Anders Behring Breivik, Norwegian psychopathic killer, there happy!!!!!
elimason242 5 months ago
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elimason242 5 months ago
I think people are confused. There are Muslims that explicitly kill in the name of Islam and Allah and there are people who kill and happen to be Muslim. How many examples can anyone give of someone explicitly killing in the name of Christianity and God who isn't just a person that kills and happens to be a Christian?
Ausaini17 6 months ago
ISLAM STONES,KILLS THE APOSTATES.THE HADITHS TELL US THAT MUHAMMED TOOK ONE FIFTH OF THE BOOTY AND EVEN THE QURAN CONFIRMS IT, 8:41, 8:69.CAN YOU IMAGINE A MAN OF GOD TAKING PEOPLE'S POSSESSIONS AS BOOTY?THIS IS STEALING IN A BRUTAL WAY. THE QURAN TELLS US THAT MUHAMMED HAD SEX SLAVES FROM CAPTIVES TAKEN AS BOOTY,33:50-52 AN D TI TELLS MUSLIMS TO FIGHT UNTIL THE WHOLE WORLD BECOMES MUSLIMS, 8:39, 9:29.IF CHRISTIANS KILLED THEY DID IT WITHOUT ANY JUSTIFICATIONS IN THE GOSPELS TO DO IT, ISLAM DOES
DictaduraNo123 7 months ago
THIS IS JOKE TO SAY THAT CHRISTIANS KILL TODAY. TRUE, CHRISTIANS WERE LIKE MOST PEOPLE IN THE PAST, BRUTAL? BUT CAN YOU SAY THAT THEY HAD A JUSTIFICATION IN THE GOSPELS TO DO IT? CAN YOU SAY THAT THEY WERE IMITATING JESUS? NON. JESUS PREACHED LOVE, PEACE, HE WAS NEVER INVOLVED IN WARS EVEN WHEN PERSECUTED, SAVED A WOMEN FROM BEING STONED, ISLAM TONES. WHEN MUSLIMS KILL THEY HAVE JUSTIFICATIONS IN THE QURAN. THE VIOLENCE OF THE QURNA IS CONFIRMED IN THE HADITHS WHERE MUHAMMED KILLS, LOOTS
DictaduraNo123 7 months ago
@DictaduraNo123 Um have you heard of the crusades. American slavery. um kkk. Christians have exploited African coutries. Promoted killing people. I know you dont like using the the first half of the the bible the old testatment which i think is so dumb. How can it be a holy book if you pick and choose what you want to believe about your religion. Do you hear muslims saying we dont read the first part of the quran. We anyway the old testament involves alot of prophets, hmm "Jacob"
wishywashygirl19 5 months ago
Name one,OK."Eric Robert Rudolph,is a criminal responsible for a series of bombings across the southern United States between 1996 and 1998, which killed two people and injured at least 150 others in the name of an anti-abortion and anti-gay agenda.The Federal Bureau of Investigation considers him a terrorist."I could also name some crusaders,and more,but you asked for only one.You can pull this video now.Leave the rational arguments to those who who validate knowledge with reason not faith.
AisAbsolute 7 months ago
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HERE is ONE "christian" who was a murderer...Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn’t care for his preaching. Matthew 11:20
YOUR GOD. And there is more verses where YOUR god murders innocent women,children,men, AND EVEN animals or he gives permission to others to do the same.
ThePinkLei 7 months ago
NAME 1-HITLER WAS A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN
malakoz 7 months ago 6
@malakoz .....you can have your own opinions all day long - just not your own facts....Hitler was an atheist....this is widely known and well documented. Thanks for coming.
planetsteveable 7 months ago
@planetsteveable
yeah but he had a catholic upbringing. so you can say that your childhood shapes who you will become.
malakoz 7 months ago
@planetsteveable "Hitler was an atheist....this is widely known and well documented."
Where exactly is it documented? Surely not in Mein Kampf.
Even if you could prove that he wasn't a christian it wouldn't prove that he was an atheist so I suppose you can show me some documents from Hitler in which he declares himself to be an atheist.
Ronilowich 7 months ago
@Ronilowich "Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction,a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air;consequently,all character training and religion must be derived from faith ...we need believing people."-Adolf Hitler,April 26,1933,speech made during the Nazi-Vatican Concordant.It was widely accepted that the earth was flat.Many people had faith that it was true.They like you were wrong.Hitler was a mystic.
AisAbsolute 7 months ago
@AisAbsolute
Hitler: a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air"
So Hitler basically said that morals can't exist without religion? I have heard more than a few christians make that argument.
And I don't think you have to be an atheist to be a mystic so you have not lived up to the burden of proof.
Ronilowich 7 months ago
@planetsteveable hitler was a catholic, it's in mein kampf.
saitamme 5 months ago
@planetsteveable Hitler was a Catholic.
DrVarney 3 months ago
@planetsteveable Hilter was a catholic,how was never excommunicated for his belief and acts,Please, do your research on this war criminal.
gotthemgoing 2 months ago
1:40 Look up Anti-abortion violence and you'll find at least 30 cases of Christians perpetrating violence in the name of their religion.
And no, you don't get to play the "those were not real Christians" card. Just like Muslims don't get to play the "those were not real Muslims" card.
fctchk 8 months ago
@fctchk .....sorry.....i know of 2 confirmed cases of anti - abortion violence in the name of Christianity in my lifetime......tragic but nonetheless isolated incidents - does not rise to the level of systematic institutionalized violence in the name of Islam. Advantage: Jesus
planetsteveable 8 months ago
@planetsteveable You know of two? Good, then It appears that Mr. Smiley has more than met your smug challenge of naming for you "even one".
Actually, if you were to actually read the link I provided for you, you'd find many more but that would require intellectual honesty - not the bailiwick of godbotherers.
fctchk 8 months ago
@fctchk .....which I would have agreed with Mr. Smiley had he pointed out those two, and then identified them as isolated incidents in stark contrast to the systemic institutionalized violence in the name of "allah"
offxbyxone 8 months ago
@planetsteveable ever heard of the crusades?
AisAbsolute 7 months ago
Well Steve the crusades was mass slaughter in the name of religion. But you are right that ppl in western countries don't kill in the name of religion anymore. Also since there are FAR more Christians than Muslims in the US there will be more violence by Christians- tho not in the name of religion.
And Jabril- Mohammed himself killed many Jews & for centuries millions of Hindus in India were brutally murdered by the hands of invading, uninvited Muslims. The west is not responsible for this.
puckf17 8 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 There's no such thing as "preference" when it comes to Al-Qur'an. As I said, the problem of the hypocrites is discussed here. They had outwardly embraced Islam in Makka and in other parts of Arabia, but instead of migrating to the Domain of Islam they continued co live among their own people who were unbelievers, taking part in all their hostile behavior against Islam and the Muslims. So, ALLAH(s.w.t) revealed to the Muslims on how to deal with such people like them.
JabrilAbdullah 8 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 Call it whatever you want. But, as long as there are Muslims in Muslim Lands, there will be a urge to revive the Khilafah.
And of course there is no system of government worthy and acceptable to be used by Muslims for Muslims. The only system that is worthy is the one ALLAH(s.w.t) has given us.
And how is it "compulsion" if MUSLIMS want it for MUSLIMS in MUSLIM lands?!
JabrilAbdullah 8 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 Does it look like I care what a Saudi "king" published? A monarchy is forbidden in Islam to begin with.
Secondly, that verse says:
"Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war..."
It's dealing with hypocrites just as EVERY nation deals with their traitors.
The problem is, you're reacting to the actions of dictators. Not Islam.
JabrilAbdullah 8 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 Changed my tune? Secondly, "admit"? Have you been living under a rock for the past 80yrs? Muslims BEEN wanting a revival of the Khilafah and BEEN referencing Al-Qur'an and Sunnah to do it.
Third, the Khilafah has always been a goal of the Muslims for 1400 yrs. As far as "going on the offensive" and "fighting those who fight us", even though we ALWAYS had done this, it has really been in thrown effect in retaliation of western oppression.
JabrilAbdullah 8 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 They're not "Anti-Jewish" either. Muslims and Jews have lived in peace for hundreds of years before the Zionists came. It was Muslims lands the Jews rushed too when they were being persecuted by Hitler. It was Muslims who were seen as liberators of Jews BY Jews from their Roman christian oppressors.
If anything we're strongly anti-zionist.
JabrilAbdullah 8 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 Nowhere are there "intolerant" versus in Al-Qur'an. Let it be known and understood that Islam is not a pacifist religion. We fight those who fight us. The reason why the Nobel Prophet(s.a.w) had to fight was because he was being attacked and the way of life that he brought became a threat to the pagans. I didn't say that those Jihadis are "false Muslims". I would say that they are misguided.
And there's no such thing as "preference" when regarding Al-Qur'an.
JabrilAbdullah 8 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 Actually, If you say Jihadist are violent, depending on your definition, I would actually agree. Many of them don't actually know what they're talking about. If you ask them to give references from Al-Qur'an or Hadiths, they'll go off on some rhetoric. And if you give them references on how they are wrong, they will say you aren't a "real Muslim".
Secondly, my logic is well on. I am showing the video author that he shouldn't through stones because he live in a glass house.
JabrilAbdullah 9 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 Muslims don't have the same imperialist desires. You can't equate the desires of the west with Islam. Slavery in the east was no where near slavery in the west. And how in the world could a Muslim, much less an arab be "anti-Semitic"? Do you know what you're saying? Prophet Muhammad(s.a.w), many of the noble prophets, and the arabs, and eve some Africans, are semitic. So how?
If there's any group of people that's comparable with the Nazis, it's the zionists.
JabrilAbdullah 9 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 The Caliphates were a product of what Al-Qur'an and The Prophet(s.a.w) instructed Muslims to have. It's a necessity and goes far beyond Arabs. Also, the Caliphates were way before the western imperialism rose.
Secondly, of course Muslims want to spread Islam. Who's disputing that? Just like the christians want to spread Christianity. However, Muslims know that 'There's no compulsion in religion'.
JabrilAbdullah 9 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 ...your just typing without thought...never did I excuse religious extremism coming from the "muslim world", BUT you must not excuse it coming from the "christian world"....you wear your ignorance with great confidence, you failed to denounce the terror of organizations such as the KKK (which did exist within the last 40 yrs) an organization which WAS perhaps IS an extention of various political/social organizations throughout the US.....the burning cross speaks volumes
jimmybliss6 9 months ago
sabrencia 8 thousand muslim men and children were shot dead by the command of kardic, who by the way was or is a church going christain, but i guess that doesnt count
UddinNo1 9 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 Seriously, calm down. I will admit my brothers did over react, but they wanted to make sure she, or anybody, wasn't mocking the Prophet (s.a.w). You see, we actually honor our prophets.
And that's fine for those people leaving, but every statistic shows, even with Islam hate being propagated, it's still the world's fastest growing religion. And that's because Islam is not violent.
Again, Salam.
JabrilAbdullah 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 Actually the Prophet (s.a.w) is quite clear about the non-believers; “Whoever hurts a non Muslim, I shall be his complainant and for whoever I am a complainant, I shall ask for his right on the day of Resurrection.”
I actually can say Islam spread "defensively". If not, it wouldn't be the fastest growing religion in the world nor would there be any Christians alive in Muslim countries. Islam only allows offensive when a Muslim is being attacked.
Salam.
JabrilAbdullah 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 "Islam only went on the offensive when the western powers started imposing their will on Muslim lands."
Islam is not violent, but it does not allow Muslims sit around while the western imperialists powers are terrorizing them. It might be "violent" to you, but it's Freedom Fighting to those who are being terrorized.
Your argument is that of a typical hypocrite; "prosecute them for something that we ourselves do".
Salam.
JabrilAbdullah 10 months ago
This is the problem; Christians are always talking about Islam being a violent religion. When their own history contradicts them. Muslims didn't throw Jews in ovens, stole land from Native Americans, enslaved not only Black people in America, but in European colonies in Africa, dropped atomic bombs in Hiroshima, and much more.
Islam only went on the offensive when the western powers started imposing their will on Muslim lands.
Don't be a hypocrite.
Peace.
JabrilAbdullah 10 months ago
@JabrilAbdullah Christian history contradicts itself?.....not in my lifetime it doesn't.
planetsteveable 10 months ago
@planetsteveable So, throwing Jews in ovens, stealing land from Native Americans, enslaving not only Black people in America, but in European colonies in Africa, dropping atomic bombs in Hiroshima, and much more is what Christianity teaches?
JabrilAbdullah 10 months ago
@planetsteveable u are a piece of shit
alfinesam 8 months ago
@planetsteveable You clearly didn't read the comment then. There's a reason you think the Christian cases of terrorism are isolated while you connect the ones committed by Muslims.. You live in the west. Any violent act carried out by a muslim is promoted in the media as part of Islamic extremism (as if it's all part of one giant conspiracy), while those carried out by Christians either aren't reported or they're depicted as an isolated act.
SpliffTheGeneral 7 months ago
And to answer your question, here's a list of Christians who have murdered/bombed/etc in the name of their faith: Army of God, NLFT, Manmasi National Christian Army, Iron Guard, Lancieri, IRA, Timothy McVeigh, The Lord's Resistance Army, the KKK, Lambs of Christ, Scott Roeder, Hutaree, Arm of the Lord, The Freemen Community, Church of God, Christian Identity, Concerned Christians, Eric Roudolph...... do you need me to keep going?
SpliffTheGeneral 7 months ago
@SpliffTheGeneral .....Jesus - how many times do i have to keep saying this?!...... i am talking about in my lifetime....don't you understand that as far a i'm concerned all of human history begins and ends with me! ;D
planetsteveable 7 months ago
@planetsteveable lmao the majority of ppl/groups i listed were during your lifetime... that is unless you're under 15 years old, which I highly doubt.
SpliffTheGeneral 7 months ago
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Titoscudd 10 months ago
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Titoscudd 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 You could have understood my point if you wanted to, but you obviously don't...I made an error by saying not Exclusive to"Islam" instead of saying "Islamic countries." but let me rephrase it anyways...
Honor killings is A cultural problem..Yes its practiced in SOME Muslim countries, but that does not mean its ISLAMIC culture..long story short..Just because a Muslim did it does not make it ISLAMIC....that is assuming that you know the difference.
ahmedgole 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23
No ones' asking you to answer for anyone. But, you cannot expect "the rest of the world", to sit back and gobble up the hog wash that emanates from your society about the "evil world out there" while we can see the nonsense that obtains in yours and which SEVERAL prominent individuals in your society either brazenly support, don't condemn or lend tacit support to as the need arises.
Titoscudd 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23
Oh, okay! I see so, you are better now that you've "upgraded" the African American "nigger" from the lowly status of monkey to "good guy", huh? And you've now identified a new "bad guy", the A-Rab, huh? LOL!! You're indeed a very interesting bunch. LOL!!
Titoscudd 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23
LOL!! Your society is a compendium of contradictions. On the one hand you condemn the Arabs for discriminating against people for reason of religion. However, you, the self-righteous American are a better person because, not ONLY do you discriminate against people for reason of SUSPECTED religion as you've done with Obama, you also discriminate against people on the basis of race i.e. "he isn't a true American". LOL!! Very rich, no?
Titoscudd 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23
So, is it possible that a person who is an ally today can also become a "bad guy" tomorrow? Or better yet, can a person who is "human" today, become "not fully human" tomorrow and therefore, subject to inhuman treatment and "enhanced interrogation techniques"?
So, can you see that you aren't really different from your forebears who classified some people as "human" and others as "not fully human". You just call some people "good guys" and others "bad guys", yeah?
Titoscudd 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23
LOL!! I see? So, back then, those who were not "fully human" were to be treated like animals, huh? And now, only the "bad guys" should be treated like animals, huh? Can you KINDLY detail the parameters that can make a person become a "bad guy"? Did you hear that a former Guantanamo Bay "terrorist detainee" is now among the "rebels" who are fighting Ghaddafi in Libya? In fact, he was described as an "ally" by your dailies?
Titoscudd 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23
If you really are a "better and less violent" people than your forebears, why then are you resorting to the tools that your forebears used to create a system that is inherently beneficial to you but, not to others? Why is the issue of "enhanced interrogation methods" even coming up for debate? Why would your Congress refuse to close down Guantanamo, Baghram, etc when the purpose of those detention centers is SPECIFICALLY to allow you the ability to torture people?
Titoscudd 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23
Were that to change or be threatened, you will gladly resort to your "enhanced interrogation methods" to correct it.
Titoscudd 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23
This just highlights the fact that YOU the Western Christian and the Muslim are pretty much the same in terms of propensity for evil, violent disregard for human life and respect for other cultures. The reason for your conflict with them isn't because you are peace lovers and they are violent, but, because, at this point in history, you have established a system that favours you but not them.
Titoscudd 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23
Absolutely! I am well aware of the deleterious role of Islam on that continent. I am ABSOLUTELY aware of it. And I am also aware that "Abid" is the epithet the Arab world uses to describe Black people which was why Bin Laden's right hand man, Ayman Al Zawahiri, described Obama as "Abid al bayet" i.e. "House Nigger".
Titoscudd 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23
Would you have done that if you were really "better people" than your forebears were? Have you gone around South America to inquire from those south Americans who know their history i.e. from Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Chile, etc as to their opinion of you? Have you been to Angola, Congo, Philippines, Haiti, Vietnam, etc to inquire as to the nature of person they think the American is given their not so distant interaction with you?
Titoscudd 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23
Take the War on Terror for example. Post-WW II the West became a "moral arbiter" of sorts - proscribing torture, espousing universal human rights, suffrage, women's rights, etc. But, what has happened in the few short years after this so-called "War on Terror" began? You have reached back in time and dug up the tools of torture, euphemistically called "enhanced interrogation techniques" which your forebears employed.
Titoscudd 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23
Yes. That's EXACTLY what I'm telling you. The average young American is the way he is, not because he is a better person than his forebears, but, because he no longer needs the level of racism, wickedness and propensity for violence that his forbears had to employ in order to impose their preferred system on others.
Titoscudd 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23
LOL!! You HATE history and that is why you "don't need it" because, it sets the status quo in context and cast you in a VERY NEGATIVE light. Whereas, you'd have us believe that things are as they should be and everyone should just have fun and enjoy life and forget their history. Why? Simply because, recounting history and tracing our antecedents with you tells us EXACTLY how we go to where we are today and the TRUE NATURE of being you and your religion are.
Titoscudd 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23
Not because Americans have become "better people" but, because, you have established your preferred system and the Natives pose no threat to it. However, does that mean that if they could, there aren't Native Americans who would LOVE to attack and destroy the US based on how they and their forebears were treated? Does that mean that their grievance isn't justified simply because some holier-than-thou American descendant of settlers calls them "terrorists"?
Titoscudd 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23
LOL!! You don't have to because you've spent the last 5 centuries killing off all opposition to your preferred system. Can you tell me why it will make sense for the American govt to hound Native Americans in this day and age in a manner similar to what you did when you first invaded their lands? It will be totally absurd. And why is that?
Titoscudd 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23
The ONLY reason why Christians and the West now act like "long suffering" peace loving people is because you've spent centuries using EXTREME VIOLENCE AND WICKEDNESS building a world system that favours you. Now that you've established that system, you no longer have need for the tools your fathers employed and you only have to preserve that system and "keep the order" they helped you establish by way of violence. History tells me how pacifist you really are.
Titoscudd 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23 Are the Boers of S. Africa not some of the most conservative Christians on that continent? Does MOST of the KKK's membership not come from the so called "Bible Belt" of the US and the Southern states which are more religiously conservative than other regions of that country? Why is there an OBVIOUS correlation between Bible thumping and regions of entrenched racism in the US ? Could it be that there are passages in that book that justify such discrimination?
Titoscudd 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23
Oh, really? So "those who take these Qur'anic verses literally end up acting violently", huh? And those who take Bible verses literally don't? Can you remind us of some of the verses your colonialist and slave trading/ owning forebears used to justify their "exploits"? Were churches and missionaries not ALWAYS the harbingers of colonization in Africa, the Americas, Australia, New Zealand, Asia, etc?
Titoscudd 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23
So, what do you mean by "isolated cases"? Let me guess? You must be White, yeah? Which is why the thousands of extra judicial police killings that occur in the US seem like "isolated cases" to you. And the occasional one that makes the headlines due to such nuisances as eye witness testimony and videos is also an "isolated case", huh?
Titoscudd 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23
Wasn't the prosecution of Mehserle ONLY because so many passengers on that train had filmed the incident on their cellphones and made their recordings available to the public that that case was RELUCTANTLY prosecuted? How many other cases of such extra judicial murders by your govt thugs have been prosecuted compared to the others where your police are said to have "followed departmental rules"?
Titoscudd 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23
Can you remind us of what his punishment was? Do you know how many other extra judicial police killings have happened in Oakland, CA and all over the US since then ALL of which involved minority victims? Can yo tell us how your govt handles such cases, such that more often than not, the lightest of sentences are handed down or the case doesn't even make it to court?
Titoscudd 10 months ago
@PROFESSOR23MAEHEMM23
Is that statement a joke? Wasn't it only last year that people who had been implicated in the murder of Civil Rights Activists in the 60's were brought to trial? Can you count he number of administrations that have held office since that offense and why it is only now that that case is being prosecuted? Have you heard of Johannes Mehserle the Oakland cop who killed a hand cuffed Black man at point blank range on a BART station platform?
Titoscudd 10 months ago
Question posed: "Sir, with all due respect, please name for me even one christian who has ever either murdered somebody or done anything even close to that in the name of their faith"
Answer: How about god's instructions to destroy the city of Amalek?
MrBazBazBaz 10 months ago
kkk
western slave trades
crusades
jimmybliss6 10 months ago
kkk
jimmybliss6 10 months ago
Timothy McVeigh blew up the Oklahoma City federal Building because of his Christian ideology.
itsatrap1989 10 months ago
'faith' is just a word!
sincerehastings 10 months ago
What Mr Smiley is saying is ludicrous.
mehstgful 11 months ago
I dare say that, but for their STRICT religious and cultural rules and norms, the Arabs i.e. Palestinians would've been reduced to the all manner of lasciviousness, moral decadence and alcoholism that are the PRIMARY legacy of native contact with Europeans in the Americas, Australia, New Zealand, etc. And that is why the West has taken it upon itself to aggressively assail these aspects of Arab culture, religious devotion and morality, in recent years.
Titoscudd 11 months ago
Tavis Smiley is the BIGGEST IDIOT ON THE GLOBE #FAIL
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He doesn't even understand the most simple notion behind religious terrorism. It's not about someone who happens to be of a faith and commits a crime, it's about when the criminal is MOTIVATED BY HIS RELIGION to commit his crimes.
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I cannot believe this man is on TV when his mental capabilities are the ones of an infant. This stupidity has almost readched islamic proportions.
sooperfukker 1 year ago
Anywho, the Sunni, Shiite war within Islam kills people daily and is not comparable to a hatred of gays.
As for the Tuscon shootings; Jewish decent? so what- it was not his juddhaism that led to his actions, it was his insanity. There is no need to believe things are equatable when they clearly are not
036033 1 year ago
@Titoscudd There are millions of muslims in India. The attempt to partition it to separate the muslims and the hindus and buddhists (forming Pakistan) failed completely. India is becoming more modern and has promise as a great secular power in Asia.
036033 1 year ago
@036033
LOL!! 10 - 15 years ago, India was a basket case. The ONLY reason why India is "rising" is because of American patronage due to America's desire to set India up as a bulwark against a rising China. PERIOD. Remove all the concessions America is giving India and India will be back to square one in less than 2 years.
Titoscudd 11 months ago
Is this a joke? C'mon now!! What about Dr. George Tiller, who ran an abortion clinic, who was stalked and killed in his church by an anti-abortionist? Has his killer not repeatedly made references to his faith and conviction that killing babies is a sin? What about the guy who shot Senator Giffords? Is it not RUMORED that he is in fact, of Jewish descent?
Titoscudd 1 year ago
@Titoscudd both of those....while deeply tragic....amount to two isolated incidents. "Honor killings", on the other hand, are a pattern and in fact an integral part of the extremist doctrine of the Muslim ideology - fully endorsed by said extremists. There is no paralell to this to be found anywhere within the Christian faith.
planetsteveable 1 year ago
@planetsteveable
Are you kidding? Are you ignorant of the fact that similar killings happen in India? Are Indians Muslims? LOL!! Do you know what happens to Indian brides who don't pay sufficient bride prices? They're set ablaze or beaten to death by their in-laws. Does that not speak to tradition rather than religion?
Titoscudd 1 year ago
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@Titoscudd There are millions of muslims in India
036033 1 year ago
@planetsteveable
By the way, what do you mean by "isolated cases"? What about David Koresh and Jim Jones? What about all those who support the guy who killed Tiller and have been sending him cards and prayers? Are they also a fringe group? Hasn't the recent killing of gays in Uganda been linked to a flood of Evangelical "preachers" who went there to preach intolerance of gays? Is it not a continuation of the same themes that permeated the evangelical ranks in the 80's?
Titoscudd 1 year ago
@planetsteveable
Weren't American Evangilicals tolerant of homophobic violence throughout the 80's and early 90's? Is that part of the "extremist doctrine of the Christian ideology"?
Hadn't such "good Christians" like Senator Trent Lott once compared homosexuals with "thieves" i.e. both are criminals? What's the difference between that and the criminalization of homosexuality by Iran? Are they not both "extreme doctrines of the Muslim and Christian ideology"?
Titoscudd 1 year ago
@planetsteveable
Yet, Trent Lott served in the US senate from 1998 to 2007 not because of defeat at the polls but, because he resigned for declaring his support for racist ideologies.
Titoscudd 1 year ago
@Titoscudd ....you just made my point - he should have been compelled to resign for that and he was - that's how it's supposed to go. Thanks again.
planetsteveable 1 year ago
@planetsteveable
C'mon now! Your clip challenges Tavis' assertion that Christian religious extremism accounts for a higher number of violent acts in America than Muslim extremism. The fact that Trent Lott resigned does not demonstrate that Christian religious extremism doesn't exist. It may demonstrate the American society's intolerance of it, but, it doesn't disprove the existence of it nor does it refute the fact that such Christian groups have perpetrated more violence in America.
Titoscudd 1 year ago
@planetsteveable WRONG! Honor killings are a cultural practice that has nothing to do with Islam Christians/ Sephardic Jews/Druze/Yazidis/Sikhs/Hindus as well as Muslims who live in South & South West Asia practice the horrendous practice of Honour Killings. IT is a cultural practice of the people who live in South & Southwest Asia. If this were a Muslim practice then how come Muslims in West Africa, South East Asia, Central Asia, and the Balkans don't practice it?
tdot22 1 year ago
@planetsteveable Honor killings is not something exclusive to Islam. In fact Islam warns against honor killings..Its a cultural problem more than its a religious one..Yes its practice in Muslims nations , but its also practiced in non-Muslim nations such as India, most of Africa, and some other Asian nations....Don't base your hatred for Islam on a cultural problems.
ahmedgole 10 months ago
@planetsteveable
Excuse me, you are a victim of your ingrained propensity to rummage through garbage to find anything that you may hold up as justification for your prejudices. Is India a Muslim country? Do you know what happens to brides whose in-laws feel hadn't paid sufficient dowry? They are killed in the most brutal manner and in fact, they may be electrocuted or burned alive.
Titoscudd 10 months ago
@planetsteveable In cases where a couple from different castes try to marry, the offended family could murder them in "honour killings". Is this not a practice among HINDUS of India? Have you EVER condemned the whole of India and Hinduism for this practice? Are Hindus Muslims? You go and try to marry a Indian Sikh girl against her father's wishes and see what will happen. So, what does that tell you about this practice of "Honour Killings" and the culture of that region?
Titoscudd 10 months ago
@Titoscudd well, once again, if you really believe that violence inflicted in the name of the Christian faith exceeds that of the Muslim faith....that's your perogative. You just haven't advanced anything to substantiate it. That's all.
planetsteveable 1 year ago
@planetsteveable
Excuse me, but, don't reduce issues to the point of ridicule. At issue isn't the question as to whether or not "violence invlicted in the name of the Christian faith exceeds that of the Muslim faith.." and you know that. Your DELIBERATE use of elipsis obscures the IMPORTANT fact that the question specifically relates to what obtains "in America".
Titoscudd 1 year ago
@planetsteveable
I therefore CHALLENGE you to KINDLY come up with a list of Christian extremist violence in the US and juxtapose it with a similar list of Muslim extremist violence in the US and lets see whose list of atrocities is longer. An exercise such as this, will put this argument to rest once and for all.
Titoscudd 1 year ago
What Planet does this guy live on? Us and euopean Christians killed hundreds of thousands of Muslims in the Middle East and Asia in the last 20 years.
kazakhseven 1 year ago
He did name some examples. They were all lies. He cited the Columbine shootings as Christian violence, when it was not religion-based.
He cited Post Office shootings as Christian violence.
Reality (or fact-checking) don't seem to concern Tavis too much.
MaskedMarvyl 1 year ago
Jesus is the most quoted prophet in the Koran.
Cybor88 1 year ago
@835blahdiblah
everyone is entitled their opinion & i've got no problem with that but let's deal the FACT & don't tell me what u r claiming is in the QUR'AN! infact the violence u mentioned is in the BIBLE! so don't point your finger at others when u have your own. again the violence u r claiming is not in the QUR'AN & the verses u r talking have been revealed when the muslims were on a battle against their enemy at that time & they fought when they were attacked & so tell me is that crime?!
manexe100 1 year ago
@835blahdiblah
do you know what the jews tribes did to the muslims at that time? if u do you wouldn't asked me this question but unfortunately you are just quoting the propaganda of the media which as we know nowadays gives muslims and islam a bad image which has no base on this peaceful religion at all so i'd say we should speak the fact and not to be narrow minded. there are alot like u.
manexe100 1 year ago