@robynvanhorn Plenty of gays have been married to the oposite sex before, for various reasons. Are you absolutely sure he's not gay? When I say "gay", I don't mean he has to be 100% into men only, but rather being somewhat more attracted to men than women. Does he avoid intimate relationships or keep them private or completely secret? Does he date or have a girlfriend or anything at all? Has he written any books which happen to mention his more recent relationships? Did he give up on intimacy?
@robynvanhorn ok, but I would like to say that 'being-centered' relationships & true intimacy are not 'lower'. If he is better suited for, (or only interested in) intellectual/academic work, that's cool. I'm not sure I would put him in quite the same category as the Dalai Lama. I was just curious about him as a sexual human being & the relational aspects of his personal psychology. Even if wilber is enlightened, it doesn't mean he can't possibly have shadows to work through, just sayin.
@robynvanhorn This is true, and I fully respect that. I was just wondering where he is on the scale of masculine to feminine polarity. He can choose to be asexual in thoughts and deeds, if that's what he prefers, but it won't change his natural sexual essence. Is Ken a renunciate of some sort? Seems a bit ironic, but ok, fine by me. Whatever works. :-)
@robynvanhorn but his over built body represents a bigger carnal aspect. being too strong is animalistic. its in the red zone in his spiral theory. Intellectual people and scientist tend to be slim , becomse as you have sead overcome sexual an animal drives. But people in the getto, who are in lower class , and people who are barbaric are all strong and big.So thats why is funny, hes looks and hes intellectuality is ironic. But this cartonn is a joke, he is not this muscular in real life. lol
"This, among other things, sets Ken Wilber apart from Krishnamurti. Ken Wilber is not just saying the same thing as Krishnamurti. He is saying the same thing, and then adding more to it. Quite a bit more, in my opinion." Sorry, I didn't clarify with a quote previously.
maybe i've just seen it too much but i don't think that was a strong joke from family guy to copy, unfortuneatly i didn't find this funny..incidentally *squeaky voice starts* shouldn't you all be getting back to that novel you been working on?...lotta..lotta writing to do there, hmm?..could ah..could do with a lil more work don't ya think?...ahh 'your' having fun =]
Ken backs this "Green": Simpol Adopters worldwide are resolving the deadlock of Destructive International Competition. They are driving governments to work together to solve global problems such as unjust economic systems, conflict and climate-change, by prioritising their votes for Simpol Pledged politicians. Developing and ultimately setting the global People's Policy is through open participation.
If we “parent the planet” together, there will be no one to complain to but ourselves.
Cool. I haven't actually read those two Wilber books. The book that really blew my hair back was "Sex Ecology Spirituality". Phenomenal book.
I totally agree, by the way, about Krishnamurti's ability to express deep principles in simple language. I never get tired of reading his books or listening to his voice.
We have shed light on a few differences between Ken Wilber and Jiddu Krishnamurti, perhaps responding to the original questioner from the former conversation.
And indeed, the "Spectrum of Consciousness," and "A Sociable God," the two Wilber books I own, are vastly more detailed, and thicker, than say, "The First and Last Freedom," or "The Limits of Thought." and this points at their styles, respectively. Krishnamurti had a knack to express deep philosphopical principals in simplistic terms,
Confidence is akin to faith, while directness in a perspective is nothing more than knowing the truth. It is crucial to be direct without being confident.
@MindfulAwareness I think Wilber echo's a lot of what Krishnamurti said. However, the context that each author speaks from is radically different.
From what I have read of Krishnamurti, he never talks about the distinction between states of consciousness and stages of consciousness. He points us at the state experience of enlightenment. However, the fact that we all go through stages, or levels of development (ie: pre-rational - rational - trans-rational, or pre-modern - modern - postmodern).
@MindfulAwareness This, among other things, sets Ken Wilber apart from Krishnamurti. Ken Wilber is not just saying the same thing as Krishnamurti. He is saying the same thing, and then adding more to it. Quite a bit more, in my opinion.
@3timesoneminusone: He doesn't add. That's the point. It's not about some flashy new idea. In a way, the integral model is a new idea, but not a new idea that you add to the pile of old ideas. It's a new idea that reforms the pile itself. Put another way, it's about finding a cohesive system for organizing the multitude of ideas out there in an elegant and truthful way. Peace.
You are correct. Reflection came after the experience, as a habit of the ego. Realizing that the experience is without thought, however, causes one to forget thinking about it, or thinking about anything else, so that the experience may once again come alive. The bliss of samadhi is all it took, and this is the transformation that Krishnamurti often speaks about. All one has to do then, is become aware of when he/she becomes unaware, which is to recognize when thoughts arise, and let them go.
Yes, but what difference do their differences in philosophy make? One might insist, that comparing differences, one might further their understanding of the two men and their philosophies themselves. But, Wilber and Krishnamurti might assert that any intention to realize anything, including a nature of the true self, prevents realization. Any ambition, or intellectual confidence annihilates self-awareness. Further, the more one thinks and understands, the more lost one becomes, sir.
@MindfulAwareness If you step back and look at it...You yourself have confidence in your perspective that intellectual confidence annihilates self-awareness. Where did your confidence in that perspective come from? I might be projecting here, but I bet it came from direct experience and then reflection on that experience....thinking.
The only difference between Ken Wilber and Jiddu Krishnamurti is "Ken Wilber" and "Jiddu Krishnamurti." There are no differences. Debating which, one has already missed no-mind. Simply, stop thinking.
@MindfulAwareness. Thanks for responding to the video. I agree with you. There is no difference between Wilber and Krishnamurti... from the unitive or absolute perspective. If our intention is to realize the boundless nature of our true self, then sure, your advice to stop thinking is great. But the conversation was not about unity, it was about the difference between the two men. Speaking from the relative perspective, Wilber and Krishnamurti have big differences in philosophy.
Ken Wilber is the author. In essence, he is a buddhist, but he is also an amazing independent thinker in his own right. He has blended many ideas into his system of "integral spirituality."
And before SelfAware1 gets on my ass, I meditate hours every day and am deeply into serious spiritual training.
It's just that this vid is still funny. Ok? :)
Personally, I think even Ken Wilber himself would see the funny side of it. True spiritual achievement (not talking about something dogmatic or religious here) would tend to teach you humility and the ability to laugh at yourself, no?
@fourplusseven. Thanks! Yeah, I too hope that if Ken has seen it, he likes it. In fact I have been thinking about integral humor lately. It seems to me that someone with integral consciousness should be able to laugh at something and embrace it at the same time...particularly if that something they are laughing at is themselves. What do you think?
Well I must put my hand up and say, although I do serious spiritual training hours per day, it's not 'integral' or Wilber-like training, so I can't tell you what the true 'integral humour' ought to be like.
The mental image I have is of Yoda playing with Luke's lamp: "mmmmmmmm!.... mmmmMMMMMmmmmm! Mine! or I will help you not!"
but honestly no hard feelings, im not trying to disrespect anyone, just participating in a conversation. sorry if i sounded disrespectful in my initial comment.
its funny to see people who have obvioulsy never read a book on eastern wisdom or integral psychology claim people like ken wilber are phony... it threatens the rock hard ego to think there are stages of concsiousness and ways to relate to reality that it has not achieved, so naturally the ego gets extremely defensive and aggressively dismisses anyone who says you can trancend your little personal ego and reach higher stages of human devolopment. read a book...
amen. my dad flipped out when I told him about this guy, and we had our first real major argument. Lasted about five minutes with my dad running off telling me I'm a gullible sucker.
ha yeah thats how it goes sometimes... people tend not to like thinks that are unfamilar to them, and thats okay. all you can do is be you and follow your own inner path ya kno... idk how deep your into this but check out books from alan watts and krishnamurti. great philosophers and writers... if your interested in kens philosophies you might like those guys... you might already have stuff by them but jus tryin to help... peace friend
So are you a ken follower or a krishnamurti listener because I think they are diametrical opposites. Don't know much about Ken but I read Jiddu. Just want your opinion.
Ken includes Krishnamurti in his own philosophy, to some degree. I've tried to balance the two views as well... Something to be said about opposites and unity.
And what stage of development is your hateful mind in?
The problem with any religion or philosophy is that it makes hypocrites of anyone who believes in them. Lesson 1) Nobody is perfect, even if you think you are somehow "enlightened." And it didn't take me reading a book to know that.
hypocrisy is that sense is when people try to put on a religious or pius image of themselves when in reality they are not like that. and that is a sympotom of religious preaching to people then people trying to live up to that image and when they cant they just portray it to others until they convince themselves. that i agree on.
however this is not a system of beliefs. if you learned about buddhism and taoism and specifically Zen it clearly tells you that this type of verbal pontificating and goings on is wrong and will only lead to hypocrisy, so they advocate letting go of all of that and EXPERIANCING IT DIRECTLY.
you are caught in an anti spiritual conceptual black hole and so you just use words about what ken teaches but never have you tried to get passed the words and have that direct personal experiance where all this is silly.
I'll address some of the stage stuff. Ken Wilber would say that people are on many 'stages' throughout the day, depending on activity, state of consciousess, but there are 3 main ones here the 'center of gravity' of the person resides, which mostly goes up the latter, but sometimes down, when there is a disillusionment with a bunch of ideologies, which makes the stages independent of any ideologies, rendering them psychospiritual levels of development. Get meditating, though. :)
One further defense of Ken Wilber: he has tons of spiritual experience. I agree with about 80 % of his theoretical stuff but I don't agree with his convolution and 'need' to not be audacious and communicative enough with a lot of his ideas. He mostly speaks with like minded people, day today, about his theories, but there are some gems, so to speak - his greatest weakness, even though his words are solid. One of the reasons for Wilber's lack of public speaking ability is his physical health.
Kevin is an interdimensional portal of being/s of light, a deceitful lier who wants to condemned people just like he already is...his body, mind & senses are just a tool for the ascended masters or interdimensional negative beings in a disguise of pure light beings, its your decition to fall or not fall on his trapt.
Ridiculously over-emphasized physique, typical Wilber's sitting position, slightly defensive looking. Very well done, describes Wilber's intellectual style in a highly caricatured way, no doubt. Good job! Activates all the chakras for me at least.
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That's an excellent example of unintelligent people doing impersonations of intelligent people. Here, the creators of the family guy would be the unintelligent, as well as anyone who watches it.
I don't think so... the maker of this vid is a reader of Ken Wilber, and the humor in this video is more subtle than what you are having some believe... watch again it is actually good humor.
Actually ghalgaryth (the poster) made this video himself. Intelligent people read the video description before watching the video to avoid writing stupid comments.
Here, you would be the unintelligent, as well as anyone who acts as you do.
so funny. love it, ken is cool i guess, that dog seems a real sage tho. I kinda wish everyone would just accept the unity of diversity and stop guru bashing tho.
Congratulations, I laughed my head off!! I love Ken Wilber, I don,t understand all the fuss about him HERE. Come on guys give yourselves a break! This is so funny! One of the most hilarious things I have seen on youtube. Thank you all
Integral theory is theory beyond reducing and de constructing everything into parts, it is seeing the whole and seeing each part from its own side. For this to take place the holistic comprehension needs to be developed. Those who do not understand it will call it pseudo because it threatens the intellectual ego. I think Galileo, Einstein were called pseudo. They threaten the intellectual ego's of the time. Therefore being called pseudo is in fact a good sign that one is onto something.
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r u crazy comparin' this guy to einstein and galileo?? wilber's theory is pop psychology, it might be entertaining and seem to make some kind of sense. however; he is new age, and ALL of new age is pseudoscience, and has absolotely nothing to do with reality or true science
You have nothing to back that up, though, mrfatd. While the book Integral Psychology is a very well written book. His books have been translated many languuages, even my native Estonian language. For some reason, the critics have not read his books, hence the cirtics are not often doing service to anything that is true.
Read one of his books, I'd recommend Sex, ecology and spirituality. Then come back to me. I don't think you'd call him anything but a philosopher. U might not agree, but that's a different story.
lol 'I read bout this guy on wikipedia and that integral thing'. Try reading one of his books before you go calling him a charlatan. I suggest Sex, Ecology, Spirituality
His experience lies mostly in Zen and Yoga, but he's the notorious dabbler.
Its not pseudophilosophy so much as genuine psychology. The philosophical implications that come with it, however, mirror the implications that M theory is bringing in the world of physics.
To understand his theory, who have to become familiar with the notion of the holon.
From there, Wilber basically just refers to modern research from psychology and sociology.
Its real; reality just turned out to be mystical.
i dont know anuything about holon but sounds like one of those new age terms. all of new age is metaphysical nonsense. in terms of serious philosophy he has contributed absolutely nothing and it sucks that people read him more than kant or einstein
Perhaps, but his significant contribution is his compilation of great writers' theories into a comprehensive integral system.
The holon is quite simple. It describes the structure of things, such as how molecules are made up of atoms, and in turn, cells are made up of molecules, and lifeforms are made up of cells, biospheres are made of lifeforms, and so on. Each unit is a holon, that it, a whole unit, and also a part of a larger unit, which is in turn a whole and a part of something larger.
changed philosophy forever, ifluenced einstein, nietzsche, hegel and countless other geniuses, but besides that nothing really. this guy with his integral mystic non-sense is better!
Holons are not pseudo-scientific at all as a concept. One would need to read his books LOL, because in other places Wilber's literature is consistently minrepresented or at least not done justice upon by skim-reading.
awesome buddy
ididyomommy 1 month ago
hehe awesome, brian is green
sandycurrie108 1 month ago
hahah! wanted lots more
gedster72 1 month ago
Really funny man, thanks for the laugh :)
edwardfolly 1 month ago
THIS IS ACTUALLY HILARIOUS :D hahhahahhaha
Deah92fooeee 1 month ago
this.....is.....SHIT
recruitmentch 1 month ago
Not funny.
MrMachinimator 2 months ago
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torakiki75 5 months ago
v.good
19grand 5 months ago
...just wondering.
MayanStarlight 6 months ago
Is Ken Wilber gay?
MayanStarlight 6 months ago
@MayanStarlight no he was married years ago and his wife died. he wrote a book called true grit ( I think ?) about her transistion into the god light
robynvanhorn 4 months ago
@robynvanhorn Plenty of gays have been married to the oposite sex before, for various reasons. Are you absolutely sure he's not gay? When I say "gay", I don't mean he has to be 100% into men only, but rather being somewhat more attracted to men than women. Does he avoid intimate relationships or keep them private or completely secret? Does he date or have a girlfriend or anything at all? Has he written any books which happen to mention his more recent relationships? Did he give up on intimacy?
MayanStarlight 4 months ago
@MayanStarlight i think he gave up on intimacy and is using that energy towards higher thinking and deeds. Like the dali lama does
robynvanhorn 4 months ago
@robynvanhorn ok, but I would like to say that 'being-centered' relationships & true intimacy are not 'lower'. If he is better suited for, (or only interested in) intellectual/academic work, that's cool. I'm not sure I would put him in quite the same category as the Dalai Lama. I was just curious about him as a sexual human being & the relational aspects of his personal psychology. Even if wilber is enlightened, it doesn't mean he can't possibly have shadows to work through, just sayin.
MayanStarlight 4 months ago
@MayanStarlight i just meant that you can take your sexual energy and use it on other thoughts and deeds thats all : )
robynvanhorn 3 months ago
@robynvanhorn This is true, and I fully respect that. I was just wondering where he is on the scale of masculine to feminine polarity. He can choose to be asexual in thoughts and deeds, if that's what he prefers, but it won't change his natural sexual essence. Is Ken a renunciate of some sort? Seems a bit ironic, but ok, fine by me. Whatever works. :-)
MayanStarlight 3 months ago
@robynvanhorn but his over built body represents a bigger carnal aspect. being too strong is animalistic. its in the red zone in his spiral theory. Intellectual people and scientist tend to be slim , becomse as you have sead overcome sexual an animal drives. But people in the getto, who are in lower class , and people who are barbaric are all strong and big.So thats why is funny, hes looks and hes intellectuality is ironic. But this cartonn is a joke, he is not this muscular in real life. lol
itsAndrogyn 3 months ago
you are creative... keep it up
TheUndertakerSaysRIP 6 months ago
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Hi. Thanks for the reply!
I'm referencing this statement you made
"This, among other things, sets Ken Wilber apart from Krishnamurti. Ken Wilber is not just saying the same thing as Krishnamurti. He is saying the same thing, and then adding more to it. Quite a bit more, in my opinion." Sorry, I didn't clarify with a quote previously.
3timesoneminusone 6 months ago
maybe i've just seen it too much but i don't think that was a strong joke from family guy to copy, unfortuneatly i didn't find this funny..incidentally *squeaky voice starts* shouldn't you all be getting back to that novel you been working on?...lotta..lotta writing to do there, hmm?..could ah..could do with a lil more work don't ya think?...ahh 'your' having fun =]
daemonicwarrior 10 months ago
Effin hilarious! Spot on both w/fam guy & wilber!
Barjazid 1 year ago
WE WANT MORE! seriously though good job man.
monstarmatt 1 year ago
brian looks pissed
jcreamx23 1 year ago
Ken Wilber is truly a philopher for our times. He, "gets it!" Brilliant man! Simply brilliant!
TheZoned1 1 year ago
I love it. SO funny!
smylerman 1 year ago
fuckkk youuu gayyy fag
doeeyes110 1 year ago
haha, this is pretty funny
Danman429 1 year ago
I like Ken Wilber... it was so neat to see this! Thanks for making this and sharing it. ;-)
gorikuri 1 year ago
dude you are have talent, I really like your cartoon.
brunobabashay1 1 year ago
lol! Awesome. Good job: )
justanotherjam 1 year ago
This is really good!!!! WOOOOOOOW I love it!
Animefreak10995 1 year ago
This would have been a perfect parody had you used different references.
Wilber would never recommend The Secret (I think he did an entire interview both criticizing and making fun of it when it first came out).
richspur2004 1 year ago
Hilarious! Encore!!!
utuber2 1 year ago
Haha that was pretty good.
AirAssault7 1 year ago
....eh...
MrConnaway1 1 year ago
that's not something ken would say..
GnosisMan50 1 year ago
Ken backs this "Green": Simpol Adopters worldwide are resolving the deadlock of Destructive International Competition. They are driving governments to work together to solve global problems such as unjust economic systems, conflict and climate-change, by prioritising their votes for Simpol Pledged politicians. Developing and ultimately setting the global People's Policy is through open participation.
If we “parent the planet” together, there will be no one to complain to but ourselves.
SimpolBarnaby 1 year ago
Dog eat dog........ God eat god
MrCuntyballs2U 1 year ago
hahahahaha.
zach9899 1 year ago
wow ken got buff
cdphatty 1 year ago
lol, who reads books.
jasonandersonx 1 year ago
this is hysterical! i love it...amazing work.
theShamanArtist 1 year ago
Mate this is fucking brilliant!
camerongification 1 year ago
good
Fryitonapanandstuff 1 year ago
funny spoof on Wilber
levee2005 1 year ago
This is so funny ! Where does it actually come from, I mean the animation etc... Can you add more? I love it .
FrikkenSpaceClown 1 year ago
@FrikkenSpaceClown Thanks so much. I drew it and voiced it myself.
ghalgaryth 1 year ago 10
and Wilber has the aptitude to express them in a much more detailed style.
MindfulAwareness 1 year ago
Cool. I haven't actually read those two Wilber books. The book that really blew my hair back was "Sex Ecology Spirituality". Phenomenal book.
I totally agree, by the way, about Krishnamurti's ability to express deep principles in simple language. I never get tired of reading his books or listening to his voice.
ghalgaryth 1 year ago
We have shed light on a few differences between Ken Wilber and Jiddu Krishnamurti, perhaps responding to the original questioner from the former conversation.
And indeed, the "Spectrum of Consciousness," and "A Sociable God," the two Wilber books I own, are vastly more detailed, and thicker, than say, "The First and Last Freedom," or "The Limits of Thought." and this points at their styles, respectively. Krishnamurti had a knack to express deep philosphopical principals in simplistic terms,
MindfulAwareness 1 year ago
Confidence is akin to faith, while directness in a perspective is nothing more than knowing the truth. It is crucial to be direct without being confident.
MindfulAwareness 1 year ago
@MindfulAwareness I think Wilber echo's a lot of what Krishnamurti said. However, the context that each author speaks from is radically different.
From what I have read of Krishnamurti, he never talks about the distinction between states of consciousness and stages of consciousness. He points us at the state experience of enlightenment. However, the fact that we all go through stages, or levels of development (ie: pre-rational - rational - trans-rational, or pre-modern - modern - postmodern).
ghalgaryth 1 year ago
@MindfulAwareness This, among other things, sets Ken Wilber apart from Krishnamurti. Ken Wilber is not just saying the same thing as Krishnamurti. He is saying the same thing, and then adding more to it. Quite a bit more, in my opinion.
ghalgaryth 1 year ago
@ghalgaryth what does he add? does he trigger your intellect?
3timesoneminusone 6 months ago
@3timesoneminusone: He doesn't add. That's the point. It's not about some flashy new idea. In a way, the integral model is a new idea, but not a new idea that you add to the pile of old ideas. It's a new idea that reforms the pile itself. Put another way, it's about finding a cohesive system for organizing the multitude of ideas out there in an elegant and truthful way. Peace.
ghalgaryth 6 months ago
You are correct. Reflection came after the experience, as a habit of the ego. Realizing that the experience is without thought, however, causes one to forget thinking about it, or thinking about anything else, so that the experience may once again come alive. The bliss of samadhi is all it took, and this is the transformation that Krishnamurti often speaks about. All one has to do then, is become aware of when he/she becomes unaware, which is to recognize when thoughts arise, and let them go.
MindfulAwareness 1 year ago
Yes, but what difference do their differences in philosophy make? One might insist, that comparing differences, one might further their understanding of the two men and their philosophies themselves. But, Wilber and Krishnamurti might assert that any intention to realize anything, including a nature of the true self, prevents realization. Any ambition, or intellectual confidence annihilates self-awareness. Further, the more one thinks and understands, the more lost one becomes, sir.
MindfulAwareness 1 year ago
@MindfulAwareness If you step back and look at it...You yourself have confidence in your perspective that intellectual confidence annihilates self-awareness. Where did your confidence in that perspective come from? I might be projecting here, but I bet it came from direct experience and then reflection on that experience....thinking.
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MindfulAwareness 1 year ago
The only difference between Ken Wilber and Jiddu Krishnamurti is "Ken Wilber" and "Jiddu Krishnamurti." There are no differences. Debating which, one has already missed no-mind. Simply, stop thinking.
MindfulAwareness 1 year ago
@MindfulAwareness. Thanks for responding to the video. I agree with you. There is no difference between Wilber and Krishnamurti... from the unitive or absolute perspective. If our intention is to realize the boundless nature of our true self, then sure, your advice to stop thinking is great. But the conversation was not about unity, it was about the difference between the two men. Speaking from the relative perspective, Wilber and Krishnamurti have big differences in philosophy.
ghalgaryth 1 year ago
Einstein told me to say you look good as a cartoon because that's all you are to GOD or EINSTEIN.
Aurobindo
flazzerotti 2 years ago
who is this author and what is his appeal?
impala1977 2 years ago
Ken Wilber is the author. In essence, he is a buddhist, but he is also an amazing independent thinker in his own right. He has blended many ideas into his system of "integral spirituality."
LittleMegha 2 years ago
Integral spirituality, could you elaborate on it?
impala1977 2 years ago
I lolz this video; it's funny.
And before SelfAware1 gets on my ass, I meditate hours every day and am deeply into serious spiritual training.
It's just that this vid is still funny. Ok? :)
Personally, I think even Ken Wilber himself would see the funny side of it. True spiritual achievement (not talking about something dogmatic or religious here) would tend to teach you humility and the ability to laugh at yourself, no?
fourplusseven 2 years ago
@fourplusseven. Thanks! Yeah, I too hope that if Ken has seen it, he likes it. In fact I have been thinking about integral humor lately. It seems to me that someone with integral consciousness should be able to laugh at something and embrace it at the same time...particularly if that something they are laughing at is themselves. What do you think?
ghalgaryth 2 years ago
Well I must put my hand up and say, although I do serious spiritual training hours per day, it's not 'integral' or Wilber-like training, so I can't tell you what the true 'integral humour' ought to be like.
The mental image I have is of Yoda playing with Luke's lamp: "mmmmmmmm!.... mmmmMMMMMmmmmm! Mine! or I will help you not!"
I hope this is useful for you in some way. :)
fourplusseven 2 years ago
but honestly no hard feelings, im not trying to disrespect anyone, just participating in a conversation. sorry if i sounded disrespectful in my initial comment.
SelfAware1 2 years ago
@~SelfAware1
Thank you and i try not to be like that.
COBIM666 2 years ago
What is this?
jwklbm326 2 years ago
its funny to see people who have obvioulsy never read a book on eastern wisdom or integral psychology claim people like ken wilber are phony... it threatens the rock hard ego to think there are stages of concsiousness and ways to relate to reality that it has not achieved, so naturally the ego gets extremely defensive and aggressively dismisses anyone who says you can trancend your little personal ego and reach higher stages of human devolopment. read a book...
SelfAware1 2 years ago 3
amen. my dad flipped out when I told him about this guy, and we had our first real major argument. Lasted about five minutes with my dad running off telling me I'm a gullible sucker.
ilovetruffles99 2 years ago
ha yeah thats how it goes sometimes... people tend not to like thinks that are unfamilar to them, and thats okay. all you can do is be you and follow your own inner path ya kno... idk how deep your into this but check out books from alan watts and krishnamurti. great philosophers and writers... if your interested in kens philosophies you might like those guys... you might already have stuff by them but jus tryin to help... peace friend
SelfAware1 2 years ago
So are you a ken follower or a krishnamurti listener because I think they are diametrical opposites. Don't know much about Ken but I read Jiddu. Just want your opinion.
impala1977 2 years ago
you should read more a bout ken then. he cut his spiritual teeth on jiddu.
Lukifer999 1 year ago
Ken includes Krishnamurti in his own philosophy, to some degree. I've tried to balance the two views as well... Something to be said about opposites and unity.
thepathlesspath 1 year ago
In the words of Milan Kundera "most are prone to judge before they understand".
SweetRandal 2 years ago
@SelfAware1
And what stage of development is your hateful mind in?
The problem with any religion or philosophy is that it makes hypocrites of anyone who believes in them. Lesson 1) Nobody is perfect, even if you think you are somehow "enlightened." And it didn't take me reading a book to know that.
pythos82 2 years ago
hypocrisy is that sense is when people try to put on a religious or pius image of themselves when in reality they are not like that. and that is a sympotom of religious preaching to people then people trying to live up to that image and when they cant they just portray it to others until they convince themselves. that i agree on.
SelfAware1 2 years ago
however this is not a system of beliefs. if you learned about buddhism and taoism and specifically Zen it clearly tells you that this type of verbal pontificating and goings on is wrong and will only lead to hypocrisy, so they advocate letting go of all of that and EXPERIANCING IT DIRECTLY.
SelfAware1 2 years ago
you are caught in an anti spiritual conceptual black hole and so you just use words about what ken teaches but never have you tried to get passed the words and have that direct personal experiance where all this is silly.
SelfAware1 2 years ago
im not enlightened by any means, nor do i harbor hate in my mind. im simply advocating experiance over arbitrary opinions and ideas.
SelfAware1 2 years ago
I'll address some of the stage stuff. Ken Wilber would say that people are on many 'stages' throughout the day, depending on activity, state of consciousess, but there are 3 main ones here the 'center of gravity' of the person resides, which mostly goes up the latter, but sometimes down, when there is a disillusionment with a bunch of ideologies, which makes the stages independent of any ideologies, rendering them psychospiritual levels of development. Get meditating, though. :)
MaBu888 2 years ago
Growth and plateaus of maturity can come from any movement - horizontal (relationships and skills), vertical (up or down the holarchy).
MaBu888 2 years ago
It can get esoteric when it needs to. A lot of things can. :)
MaBu888 2 years ago
One further defense of Ken Wilber: he has tons of spiritual experience. I agree with about 80 % of his theoretical stuff but I don't agree with his convolution and 'need' to not be audacious and communicative enough with a lot of his ideas. He mostly speaks with like minded people, day today, about his theories, but there are some gems, so to speak - his greatest weakness, even though his words are solid. One of the reasons for Wilber's lack of public speaking ability is his physical health.
MaBu888 2 years ago
@SelfAware1
Or do copious amounts of drugs.
TheFaustianMan 1 year ago
Kevin is an interdimensional portal of being/s of light, a deceitful lier who wants to condemned people just like he already is...his body, mind & senses are just a tool for the ascended masters or interdimensional negative beings in a disguise of pure light beings, its your decition to fall or not fall on his trapt.
AnonymousQuarks 2 years ago
Jesus is love, AnonymousQuarks. As a representitive of Christ, spread love instead of fear.
ghalgaryth 2 years ago
MaBu888
We do have a spirit actually, research more about how the brain works to understand, sorry to disappoint.
Darkgravx12 2 years ago
"we do have a spirit"? I would certainly contest that. Care to define terms?
adamredwine 2 years ago
Ridiculously over-emphasized physique, typical Wilber's sitting position, slightly defensive looking. Very well done, describes Wilber's intellectual style in a highly caricatured way, no doubt. Good job! Activates all the chakras for me at least.
MaBu888 2 years ago 3
Ha ha ha ha ha ha....
SlimD11 2 years ago
"Have thoughts become things yet for you?" - Brilliant!
caroconga 2 years ago 22
@caroconga yeah big fan of that line over here. great little scrap of video.
boilingsand 1 year ago
lame,, heh, im not going to take the bait. Im not going to play the game and conform & be apathetic like a good little obedient worker.
I Am BIG MIND!
sonofhendrix 2 years ago
Lol. Brian's definitely green.
Monolith1618 2 years ago
Funny. Voice didn't go high enough, though.
pgreens 2 years ago
very funny. lol. Only problem is that The Secret is at Magenta level and not Green.
Benevolar 2 years ago 2
That's integral funny...
Dajida 2 years ago
i-Funny. :D
thepathlesspath 2 years ago
"Stewie" on mental steroids???? rofl
Sueezedtight 2 years ago
lol a new earth. they make him looked jacked here
seigneurvoland666 2 years ago
that was brilliant
gizzad 2 years ago
wow ken willbler acts like stewie when he doesthat
omoshawa 2 years ago
stating the obvious haha
TimothydrinkzTea 2 years ago
hahaha haven't seen any other spoofs, but this one made me laugh. love the end.
Xicota85 2 years ago
tht wasnt rly funny .. its better when brian does it
bahahahahahahaah 2 years ago
haha the secret at the end is the best part
elryn 2 years ago
LOVE it :)
deevinewizzdumb 2 years ago
haha
notendo1 2 years ago
i like that :]
SalutonidaSplit 2 years ago
lmfao
jkidder01 2 years ago
^_______^
EasyStu007 2 years ago
Nice!
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
hehehe
AmyTube101 2 years ago
HAHAHAH.
psychonautpsychosis 2 years ago
LOL!!
stevecronin 2 years ago
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this is really wierd but so so so true!
hes such a stupid wierdo...
alice1690 2 years ago
ROFL!!!
TheToltec 3 years ago 3
this shit is funny, even funny is your here with the ROFL!!! good video.
godsotherdevil666 2 years ago
It's hilarious.
TheToltec 2 years ago
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That's an excellent example of unintelligent people doing impersonations of intelligent people. Here, the creators of the family guy would be the unintelligent, as well as anyone who watches it.
chickenmcthug 3 years ago
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I don't think so... the maker of this vid is a reader of Ken Wilber, and the humor in this video is more subtle than what you are having some believe... watch again it is actually good humor.
MaBu888 3 years ago 4
Actually ghalgaryth (the poster) made this video himself. Intelligent people read the video description before watching the video to avoid writing stupid comments.
Here, you would be the unintelligent, as well as anyone who acts as you do.
n9yne 2 years ago
HEZ EVN GAYER THAN I THOUGHT
Jarocny585 3 years ago
He? The voice actor or tha REAL THANG? Think again, hes had a total of two wives and has one now, and he gave tha other one to Stuart Davis woooot
MaBu888 3 years ago
oh shyt looks just like him lol. big ass egg head lol.
BLACKROEZENT 3 years ago
Big ass intellectual bozai samurai.
MaBu888 3 years ago
I misread it as ego, so delete the channel comment(s) I made... interesting shadow elements revealed now.
MaBu888 3 years ago
oh dear
curse13666 3 years ago
totally funny, very nicely done
mediaadd 3 years ago
GREAT!!!
this is genious!!
thanks.. ;)
happypile 3 years ago
hmmm? yeah, yeah.
lmao
viscive 3 years ago
Not particularly funny, if funny was the aim.
MadtownAlec 3 years ago
hows green treating you?
oldboy777 3 years ago
AMAZING!
comedyman360 3 years ago 2
hahaha nice
my only wish was that it was longer
pappychecks 3 years ago 2
this was AWESOME
sp1derman199 3 years ago
so funny. love it, ken is cool i guess, that dog seems a real sage tho. I kinda wish everyone would just accept the unity of diversity and stop guru bashing tho.
If u enlightend u see its all GOD
cheshireallycat 3 years ago
...and, if u enlightened you see it's all GOOOOOOD too
raudhre 3 years ago
i like the fact that in videos like this get gathered the most powerful nuclear minds in the world... that if they' (we) teamed up
we could have ............
anything :-)
But then those minds.... understand reality deeper and they don't care anymore
as they know how things are :-)
complete calmness .
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is that a holistic comment ?
ultranet 3 years ago
LOL!
bustergmaxx 3 years ago
LoL
rosedamen 3 years ago
This is amazing!
prestonparris 3 years ago
Congratulations, I laughed my head off!! I love Ken Wilber, I don,t understand all the fuss about him HERE. Come on guys give yourselves a break! This is so funny! One of the most hilarious things I have seen on youtube. Thank you all
And by the way, Wilber is NOT new age
moseva 3 years ago 3
I see a lot of arguments written on here.
It is very simple to understand.
Chop wood. Carry water.
solomonopoly 3 years ago
You're right, it is just that simple. but getting to that simplicity can be a hell of a task. :)
Naturyl 3 years ago 2
lol funny stuff.
crzymonkey64 3 years ago
Integral theory is theory beyond reducing and de constructing everything into parts, it is seeing the whole and seeing each part from its own side. For this to take place the holistic comprehension needs to be developed. Those who do not understand it will call it pseudo because it threatens the intellectual ego. I think Galileo, Einstein were called pseudo. They threaten the intellectual ego's of the time. Therefore being called pseudo is in fact a good sign that one is onto something.
teamhumanity 3 years ago
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r u crazy comparin' this guy to einstein and galileo?? wilber's theory is pop psychology, it might be entertaining and seem to make some kind of sense. however; he is new age, and ALL of new age is pseudoscience, and has absolotely nothing to do with reality or true science
mrfatd 3 years ago
You have nothing to back that up, though, mrfatd. While the book Integral Psychology is a very well written book. His books have been translated many languuages, even my native Estonian language. For some reason, the critics have not read his books, hence the cirtics are not often doing service to anything that is true.
MaBu888 3 years ago
"Therefore being called pseudo is in fact a good sign that one is onto something." only sometimes, methinks.
MaBu888 3 years ago
lol, this is funny as hell
interwoven222 3 years ago
That was awesome! Good job dude...
vajrayogi 3 years ago
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i dont get understand how can ppl call this charlatan a philosopher
mrfatd 3 years ago
Can you read?
Reido2828 3 years ago
yeah i can!
mrfatd 3 years ago
"charlatan"??? What are you smoking dude? What have you heard about him that I haven't?
Condemnation1 3 years ago
i smoke weed and cigars! i read bout this guy on wikipedia and that integral thing, seems like pseudophilosophy, isnt this guy like a total mystic?
mrfatd 3 years ago
mysticism=reality
MarshalltheArtist 3 years ago
Read one of his books, I'd recommend Sex, ecology and spirituality. Then come back to me. I don't think you'd call him anything but a philosopher. U might not agree, but that's a different story.
Condemnation1 3 years ago 3
lol 'I read bout this guy on wikipedia and that integral thing'. Try reading one of his books before you go calling him a charlatan. I suggest Sex, Ecology, Spirituality
delerium2k 3 years ago 3
What spirituality? We have no spirit-.
eydos 3 years ago
Well, seems like you've got it all figured out then!
delerium2k 3 years ago
Precisely, we have no spirit, and we are it.
MaBu888 2 years ago
His experience lies mostly in Zen and Yoga, but he's the notorious dabbler.
Its not pseudophilosophy so much as genuine psychology. The philosophical implications that come with it, however, mirror the implications that M theory is bringing in the world of physics.
To understand his theory, who have to become familiar with the notion of the holon.
From there, Wilber basically just refers to modern research from psychology and sociology.
Its real; reality just turned out to be mystical.
MisterMolecule 3 years ago 2
i dont know anuything about holon but sounds like one of those new age terms. all of new age is metaphysical nonsense. in terms of serious philosophy he has contributed absolutely nothing and it sucks that people read him more than kant or einstein
mrfatd 3 years ago
Perhaps, but his significant contribution is his compilation of great writers' theories into a comprehensive integral system.
The holon is quite simple. It describes the structure of things, such as how molecules are made up of atoms, and in turn, cells are made up of molecules, and lifeforms are made up of cells, biospheres are made of lifeforms, and so on. Each unit is a holon, that it, a whole unit, and also a part of a larger unit, which is in turn a whole and a part of something larger.
MisterMolecule 3 years ago 2
Einstein was a physicist, not a philosopher, why would you take offense to someone studying philosphy not reading him?
Kant isn't really required reading, its safe to say that philosophy has given up on the project objectivitly defining the rational subject.
Wilber may not be the best work I've ever read, but its pretty solid.
brokennarcissist 3 years ago
What has Immanuel Kant done for us lately?
selftransformation 2 years ago
changed philosophy forever, ifluenced einstein, nietzsche, hegel and countless other geniuses, but besides that nothing really. this guy with his integral mystic non-sense is better!
mrfatd 2 years ago
immanuel kant? more like immanuel CANT! ya feelz me??!!
Luper1billion 2 years ago
How is he a charlatan?
Reido2828 3 years ago
Holons are not pseudo-scientific at all as a concept. One would need to read his books LOL, because in other places Wilber's literature is consistently minrepresented or at least not done justice upon by skim-reading.
MaBu888 3 years ago
What are you talking about? What is WIlbers educational back ground? And what are his theories?
Reido2828 3 years ago
Go search wikipedia for Ken Wilber.
MaBu888 3 years ago