Fast Rope Insertion Extraction System (FRIES): USMC Screw-Up

[kferrier88]

Been there done that. Except we had just grabbed and slid down we didn't scoot up to the rope on our asses.

[waffle1997]

the screw up was the double ropers the dude was 5 secs. from the ground before the other guy went

[bcsROBBERY]

if ur a marine disregard, fast roping horror story of a marine that dropped his rifle and then impaled as he fell on it. morale of the story: always keep your rifle arm distance away.

[fndjfgsdk]

where was the screw up?

[dynmicpara]

ask julius153 he could figure it out

[usnpilot231]

Damn this song is good what is it callled?

[BuckshotFX4]

dude does money mean anything to you!? number two, in a hot lz environment, 60 birds either air force or army would carry them, or even the uh-1y, joint ops, the marines need these large helos to get gear from ship to shore, theres nothing wrong with the helicopter, this is not combat, these marines look lke theyre limited duration equiped fast rope training... if they can fast rope from this bird, they can fast rope from anything, doesnt matter what bird your roping from in training...

[dynmicpara]

@BuckshotFX4 Not entirely true, PROS train on EXACTLY what they use not make excuses that they are good enough with just one platform; this kind of ad hocery constantly bites the USMC in the ass, look at OIF in 2003

[mrgoodie]

i dont see you doing this shit so dont judge and this is obviously training u moron

[dynmicpara]

@mrgoodie julius153 could figure it out, why can't you?

[Victortrotska]

You don't seem to like much the USMC! lol

I agree a lot of immaturity as many watched too many movies. The most professionnal and mature US personnel to me are from the Navy.

Usually good guys, not show offs, rarely enlisted because of movies like you can see in other US SOF units but rather tradition or passion.

[julius153]

Nice. :D I learned many things about fast rope and criticism by reading the comments and watching the vid. By the way, what's the song again?

[fairfieldsBEST]

that looks fun but scary

[chris225101]

thats fuckn awesome,,lol at the guy,,so what the screw up,,lol

[Dalby1617]

so... what was the mistake?

[MeridianAirlinesVA14]

I like the song :D whats it called :D?

[theshitterguy]

Has anyone stopped to consider that this might have been a simple training op and some of the guys might have been going down the rope out an actual flying helo for the first time? You can slide down from the tower all you want but doing it for real requires practice before you get as good as some Special Ops Unit.

[dynmicpara]

So if its practice...don't forget the CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM to fix things, too?

[2528997]

Where the hell was the screw up in this video? I didn't see it.

[dynmicpara]

READ video description then you will know what to look for.

[ravan318]

indeed the wash

i didnt read his complete description but was kinda guessing it.

indeed i've heard UK don't grip the boots as well

[mathiastheok]

Yet again we see what happens when puss nutted officers more concerned with their careers than with their men results in shittyness all around. Case in point...the STRYKER...a wheeled piece of shit. The Marines would be safer in shopping carts with trash can lids zip tied to the sides.

[dynmicpara]

Don't give them any ideas! Their LAV-1s are wearing old to rust and the shopping carts are WHEELED and this would appeal to marine egotism...

[sirhung]

Work smarter, not harder gents. Marines are inbred with arrogance, have fun discussing intel with them.

[dynmicpara]

Exactly. An intelligent U.S. marine is an oxymoron--literally as well as figuratively.

[SOjuice]

yea, i do agree and I'm a Marine. Marines lack maturity. It might come down to an individual but i think mostly because of the age. Most Marines are young as fuck. And the ones leading are young as fuck too. I still love the Marines and the corps but it is what it is.

I would say Marines are most effective in all out conventional warfare and amphibious landing.

They're only good at destorying shit. But they do a pretty good job at that.

[dynmicpara]

They will not be effective even doing that if their EFV strikes a sea mine or takes an ATGM because its plowing through waters the USN refuses to clear and is itself a bloated target without stealth or APS. Defaulting back to foot-sloggers from trucks, even worse.

[penquinbum]

@SOjuice Semper Fi. Let's face it, the reason they're so young is that what we do is a young man's game. If you could only teach the patience and decision making skills of a 40 year old to the 19 yr old, it would make a difference, but wars are fought by kids. The average age of US enlisted men in Vietnam was something like 19.5 years. In the all volunteer forces today it isn't much higher.

[dynmicpara]

@penquinbum And that's why we are LOSING in Iraq/Afghanistan. Young punks without maturity follow the inept bureaucracies blindly, kill innocent civilians and themselves. The "Wars" you describe are actually RACKETS to prolong violence for $. We need a PROFESSIONAL military of adults that SMOTHERS wars by excellence.

[evanmannusmc]

@penquinbum Very, VERY good point

[USNavyGhost]

whats the name of the song

[shishimenz]

dude you are ttly right about the marines wanting to be something more than an average force of under trained bullet sponges.

[sgtish]

What happened? I do remember going down that rope so much faster. Going through the hole on a 46, we had the whole fire team on the rope at the same time ready to descend. Went down that rope so fast that my boots and uniform were smoking when I had to slow down and clear the rope while looking down for a good landing and up to make sure I cleared the landing zone for the Marine about 1/2 second above me.

[hoghead5]

I can never figure out why people in other branches of the service hate Marines so much, I thought we fought under the same flag. Every branch of the service has a different mission and a different way of doing things. As a former 0311 I can tell you that than any Marine grunt would love to go to Airborne school but were not given that choice unless your in Recon. Marines are amphibious warriors not Airborne. We only use fast ropping for urban missions. Marines win battles, the Army wins wars !

[dynmicpara]

As a former USMC enlistedman and officer I wish that your outlook was all that we need everyone to think. The facts are that the USMC has a culture of malignant narcissism that bad-mouths the other services beginning in boot camp and TBS while excusing away marine corruption and incompetence. The latter was simply intolerable for me and I switched to the Army. If you are going to brag that you are the best, at least provide some reasons for it.

[cpk93]

yes the USA suck dick when it comes to fighting

[n68188]

Wanna talk 'malignant' narcicism? Try the Air Force. We spend billions on our penis extenders. "Fiber optic, stand off, fire and forget, precision, jointness?" Those words = blank check. Its worse than a trade union. Its a Star Trek convention and everyone seems to think this whole war thing is just a fantasy role playing game. "What?! you dont have enough manna to do that. Only I'm allowed to do that. Stop making me look bad." Punishment by paperwork and blind adherance to tech data.

[dynmicpara]

Great feedback! The USMC is stupid Ludditte malignant narcissism for sure and the USAF "RMA" egomania by "precision" strike. Both are BUREAUCRACIES (rackets) not professions; but in the AF if what you do is stupid in the AIR you can DIE; most marines stay on the ground 99.9% of the time as this video shows...

[n68188]

Note the rifle on dude man's back at 1:03. Looks like a French FAMAS assault rifle. US military doesn't use those (also note the different camo pattern and load bearing equipment.) These are French soldats enjoying a rare oportunity to 'play' on one of thier American counterpart's helicopters.) And what is it with the brits allways being so convinced that thier way is the only way? If it wasn't for the US's 'unproper' methods, Monty would still be masterbating on the outskirts of Caen.

[dynmicpara]

My bust; I thought I mentioned in video description French commandos were on board.

You are wrong about Caen; if U.S. units to include the USMC which fortunately never fought the Germans in WW2, had to go up against German STUGs, Panthers and Tigers which had either lower silhouettes and bigger guns than our 75mm Shermans we would have done far worse than the Brits in their 76.2mm Firefly Sherman medium tanks. Watch the video we made on Arnhem watch?v=VSm5nBZ4X0A

[dynmicpara]

In the Arnhem video you will see animation of our U.S. Airborne cutting off the Contentin penninsula and the St. Lo break-out facilitated by TSG Cullins' hedgerow cutters relieving pressure on Monty, but we must give the Brits credit for being better prepared on D-Day and moving farther inland than our foot-sloggers and then taking on the brunt of the German Panzers, which we were unprepared to do. I'm no Monty fan; but stating we would have done better doesn't wash.

[ChewbacaChunx]

Yeh it must be both, theres an M4 FSP at 1:37

[firstfloormain]

what is the name of this song, and who sings it?

[JPMilius]

I work on sh*tters and seriously, we only do fastrope in the rear to help people train. We use more traditional methods of insertion while providing more than adequate cover fire with three mounted .50 cals.

[PixieGrrl666]

If you never made mistakes, you would never try anything new

[dynmicpara]

THEN, after you make the mistakes, you FIND SOLUTIONS.

We have been fast-roping for 15 years in the U.S. military. A weighted rope end is long over-due. We don't expect marines to solve this problem because they a delusional and think they have no problems or just want to "gut it out" which can only go so far, hence the USMC in trucks was AWOL to Bagdad while the Army in tracks waited 6 days for them

[drlogic1978]

I was MIOPS boarding party RN & have done a shitload of fast ropes onto vessels. I agree with the criticisms raised here but would like to point out 1 flaw in US fast roping style. Boots on the rope. Not good. Brits are taught never to put boots on the rope because polish/boot leather streaks the rope making it uber-slippery for the next man down. I personally saw 1 unlucky bitch plummet 20ft on a training tower at HMS Cambridge. Sort this out first USMC! No more gay boot sliding.

[dynmicpara]

EXCELLENT FEEDBACK!

If we used unpolished, rough suede tan boots would we be ok to use the legs to brake when fast-roping?

/watch?v=PjTAkExoR78

Would these boots leave residue?

[drlogic1978]

Im not expert on the subject: personal opinion would be that ANY material that transfers from boot to rope is inherently dangerous. I think the best thing would be eliminate boots on the rope altogether. If we Brits can do it there is no reason the US cant do it to. The only time boots should EVER touch rope is when making an emergency stop, when the rope is wrapped over the top of the lower boot and stood on by the higher boot. But you still brake with the hands, so no danger. Thoughts?

[supercomet32]

as an air assault instructor we teach two methods to fast rope braking. both require boots on the rope adn having done it in combat i will tell you that if you think you want to take the extra second to put your feet on the rope halfway down your wrong. keeping it in place as you dessend is much safer and polish does nothing severe to th erope that the air crew couldnt clean. its part of their bird and therefore their responsibility to ensure the inspection of the equipment during preflight

[drlogic1978]

As for the boots you linked to, I'm not totally sure. I agree with the comments on the video about the days of the black boot being numbered (no black in nature etc.) I have never fast roped in desert boots, just issue black leather. They PROBABLY would be less dangerous but if I was following you down the rope I would still prefer you to keep your feet off it! Ship decks are very unforgiving.

[shonniemichael]

Most US boots are suede now, no polish. But still should be kept in mind. Seems common sense, the polish part I mean.

[supercomet32]

as an airassault instructer and fast rope instructor i will tell you the reason you use your feet is to slow your dessent. your boots work as a brake. you cant do that with your inner thigh.

[drlogic1978]

I was MIOPS boarding party RN & have done a shitload of fast ropes onto vessels. I agree with the criticisms raised here but would like to point out 1 flaw in US fast roping style. Boots on the rope. Not good. Brits are taught never to put boots on the rope because polish/boot leather streaks the rope making it uber-slippery for the next man down. I personally saw 1 unlucky bitch plummet 20ft on a training tower at HMS Cambridge. Sort this out first USMC! No more gay boot sliding.

[jim6400]

i have an all jack but with boots on the rope its not rapid roping, its called swarming and the rope is different.You are however correct and you never swarm on a fast rope!

[0311GRUNT]

good thing every insertion i participated in was in a ch-46 (we always used our packs for weight). must've sucked coming down this one- but i'd still do it. good thing they were marines, and still got the job done. 95% the shit we do is dangerous, and we still do it. marines dont work smarter, we work harder.

[dynmicpara]

This is more proof that the USMC should be disbanded; bragging that one doesn't think is the kind of stupidity that fails on today's non-linear battlefields; getting yourself killed and failing is not being tough--its being stupid and inept.

[blackhatch46]

i agree. i used to work on the wonderful phrog.

[PBSnakeSFA]

The troops only use what they are issued. It is up to te Brass to invest and research new equipment for use. The reason they probably didn't do so well is because they were training with the French. Everyone knows what the problem witht he French is, haha.

[dynmicpara]

You mean loser troops. Professional ADULTS obtain what they need to WIN and don't sit on their asses for mommy/daddy bureaucracy to decide to let them win. Its called INITIATIVE. GOOD JUDGMENT. ADAPTING. FLEXIBILITY.

[0311GRUNT]

you're right, we should take initiative. i personally dont like the m-4, i think the 5.56 isnt the best round to use on insurgents high on drugs. ima walk right up to my c.o and protest when i get to formation, while im at it- ima tell em that im never gettin in an osprey again.its a good thing we get what we want in the marines.

[dynmicpara]

If you go along with BS as non-adults you get the BS bureaucracy you deserve. This is why we need national service--to get adults who don't have weak egos/empty wallets who are going to say NO! to BS. That's professionalism. You are stuck in a bureaucracy with malignant narcissism. Get out as soon as you can if not willing to fight it.

[hoszer]

So are these supposed to be US or French Marines cause the first guy out the door has a FAMAS strapped to his back while it looked like the rest are carrying M4's???

[dynmicpara]

BOTH. Read video description.

[BlacktailFA]

Can you say, "Blackhawk Down"? XD

[EVIL1888]

Can you say, Marines should stick to water. lol.

[Dobey7590]

can you also say that each could get picked off by a sniper as they drop lol... well an experienced one not those towel head morons in iraq lol.

[dynmicpara]

TheTBagg writes:

"You've almost got a joke there. lol."