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Is not true. Bach's mother did not attend the baptized of his son. She was home sick, still recovering from childbirth. Just watched the father and his two godfather. Bach no godmother.
How poorly he was thought of in his life time. If he only knew what his music means to us today. That finally after a century of silence humanity came to grips with his Genius, Brilliance, and passion of his creation, that helps us mortals to elevate and touch within us, our own infinite and eternal soul. The true reflection of the nature of God. That lack of understanding is s sign of Bach being ahead of his time, but also a sad statement that Artists are fully appreciated after they death.
Why is Karen Armstrong always a commentator on these documentaries? Whether it's the Bible, Martin Luther, Bach, Jesus--she's always rendering an opinion. I wonder of she has a contract with PBS. LOL! I always find that she misses the mark in her commentaries too. What makes her an 'expert' on Bach, anyway?
@usherattt I'd dispute that. But - inconvenient as it may be for a Bach-obsessed atheist like me - there is absolutely no question that HE believed it, entirely.
Richard Dawkins also said that you don´t have to believe in Wotan, Fricka, Thor or the Valyries to enjoy Wagners "Ring" - same thing about Bach and god imho
Where's Dawkin's logic there? It would be more logical to say that you didn't believe in Wagner & yet enjoy his"Ring" cycle.
He didn't just let his pen wander over the manuscript and hope for some little tune to emerge by chance. The complexities and beauty of Bach's music point to a brilliant creative mind - all dedicated to the glory of his Creator!
well, aside from the enormous technique benefits that there are to be gained from playing it. if you wanna move forward in music you gotta know where you're coming from.
Ok i can't even watch more than 5 minutes of this... to start this film by saying "there would be no Romantique era with out bach" is absurd! Beethoven broke away from the style of Bach, Beethoven-almost- took a lesson from mozart but left before he could. He independently of bach created the romantique period. I would call this documentary 100percent high budget junk.
Ok, lets see. This just shows how little you know about Beethoven. In his final, third period Beethoven was very much influenced by Bach. This is accounted by numerous fugues he wrote in his piano sonatas (op. 106, 110). His probably greatest late string quartet (Op.131) starts with a sublime four fugue that is directly influenced by Bach's Art of Fugue. In fact Bach's Art of Fugue was one the scores in Beethoven's musical library. Not to say that he played well Tempered Clavier as a kid.
The link between Bach and Beethoven goes even deeper. Beethoven very carefully studied CPE Bach's piano sonatas, which which were in turn influenced by JS Bach. So before making inflammatory statements, please read up on some music history.
I am completely insulted as a musician that the BBC would begin a documentary about Bach with a toccata et fugue he did NOT write. Any schoolar with a brain claims that J.S. Bach did -not- write toccata et fugue in d minor... it is stylisticly not Bach.
I find it funny that so often people doubt many of Bach's great pieces. I am not saying it is impossible; however, it is not a fact. Bach is KNOWN for his immense creative thoughts. Almost every famous composers up to date has acknowledged that fact... and the fact that this man is the immortal god of harmony.
It's innocorrect though, the very first piece they begin the start with is toccata et fugue then show Bachs pic, except he didnt write that piece and they are insinuating he had.
everyone played bach, but usually it was used only for practice and as a measure of technical ability, it wasn't until later that his music was really performed and featured again
So, that's taken from a letter from Czerny to someone, yes? It's obviously not part of Beethoven's correspondence.
Anton Schindler, held a very prominent position in Beethoven's life at times, but, he has all but been dismissed from serious discussion in light of numerous intentional fabrications and blatant forgeries (he actually altered and/or recreated large portions of the Conversation Books as well as destroying many of them).
Ah, I've found a description of your book. A collection of diaries, letters and memoirs from Beethoven's contemporaries, yes? I will have to take a look at it. What I find to be (as I'm sure you would also) more interesting yet, are the Conversation Books themselves, as well as the body of letters to and from Beethoven, himself, and also Beethoven's Tagebuch. I think we've completely lost sight of the original argument, but that's ok.
I'm arguing that Beethoven, didn't, as a habit, judge pianists by their ability to play the WTC. Where are you taking the Czerny quote from by the way?
Its from this book of beethovens letters! Its called Beethovens Impressions! Its very old mind! Thats where im getting my arguments from! Its says that beethovens benchmark on the piano also by a certin Anton Schindler as well!!
The Liszt account is not a letter at all. It's simply Liszt's own account of his meeting with Beethoven, which has it's dubious points. Supposedly, Beethoven, asked Liszt, if he could play a fugue by Bach, and Liszt, chose the c minor (he didn't say which book). The story continues that Beethoven, asked, if Liszt, could transpose the fugue, which he did. I suppose based on this one incident you're right. By the way, there are 48 p's and f's...not 24.
Listen mate dont question my knowledge of beethoven!! And no my record says it was czerny who was nervous as beethoven apperently hated child prodigys!!! Since my point is proven thats all i shall say! But also there is some evidence that mozart knew of bach as in one of his fugues he says he wrote it in the style of bach!! And yes i suppose i should have put book one for the p and fs! of course i know!!!!!!! And yes czerny states BOOK 1!!!
Hahaha, trust me...I know more about Beethoven than you've forgotten. Czerny was not shy at all about bringing Liszt to Beethoven. In fact he pestered him about it enough that Beethoven finally said, "Well bring the rascal to me, in God's name!" It was Liszt, who was shy (according to Liszt's account). There IS, actually, more than one legend surrounding this story and while one of them is certainly just that...legend...the other bears no proof outside of Liszt's own reminiscences when...
...he was an old man. Beethoven would've been completely deaf in 1823 and Liszt claimed that the meeting took place in the Shwarzpanierhaus, yet Beethoven wasn't living there then. The Conversation Books, do, tell of the meeting, but the narrative is one sided (meaning Beethoven's responses were spoken). Liszt never mentions whether he played c minor from Bk. 1 or 2...simply from the WTC. I could write you a rather lengthy reply had I the room about the whole situation, but, alas, no room...
In reference to your assertion that Mozart knew of Bach...there is NO doubt that he did as copies of Bach's works were found in his estate. Mozart and Beethoven, both, studied Bach's fugues...Beethoven, especially so toward the end of his life, and they were a HUGE influence in his late works. So to get back to your original point...Beethoven did not make a habit of judging pianists on their ability to play the great 48. He simply asked a young Liszt if he could play a Bach fugue.
It was a bit more than that if i could quote " I introduced the boy to beethoven when he was about eleven. After my pestering i know grew nervous as Beethoven often told me of his repugnance for child prodigies." blah blah blah " I warned Franz of beethovens tastes and told him to prepare the bach from book one of The Well tempered Clavichord. "
Not fair. Beethoven wasn't a pianist as much as a freak of nature. He could probably play all of bach's preludes upside down, blind folded with his arms tied behind his back.
You are right Edwardk1011, the well tempered clavier was a favorite of composers such as Beethoven, Chopin and Mozart. I suggest you listen to Edwin Fischer's recording of the WTC, since it descends directly from Beethoven's interpretation (from Beethoven to Czerny, Czerny to Liszt... until Fischer).
He did? I'd argue here, but feel I'd be wasting my time. What I think would be amusing would be if composers like Bach or Beethoven could read the comments sections here you YouTube. I'm have no doubt they'd all be pulling their collective hairs out.
They would be tearing there hair out but not for the reasons u think! u would be wasting ur time as my sources are 100% reliable! Beethoven would judge a pianest by how well he played the 48 preludes and fugues! Then he would ask the player to play the chosen fugue in a different key!
yep! They are letters to and from beethoven! Beethoven got Liszt to play the fugue in C minor! out of the 24 p and fs!! So that proves my point i think?? hehe! Sorry if i appear cross im not! my comments kinda portray me that way haha!
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WRONG ! WRONG ! WRONG ! Almost no composer knew of Bach until that mediocre composer Mendelssohn. And yet Beethoven surpasses Felix in every way. Music continues to be subjective as it always should be.
Because I don't believe in God? No that's not entirely true, I don't believe in a personal god, I have personal ideas about god but they are not describable in 500 characters. But that it is all to much to explain and I consider myself more atheistic then deistic so to go around alot of explaining I just call myself an atheist. And this does not in any way take away my love for Bach. He is one of those artist I just can't understand. I can't understan how a human could make such music.
@Jslegacy01 Not true actually. Bach had been a well paid organist and concertmaster for more than one secular employer previous to working at the church in Leipzig. A court composer could earn decent money writing and performing secular music.
@philateliceun Well, Bach composed most of his music in the name of a god, which explains, in part, his prodigious talent and sensibility. Had he been a fellow atheist, I don't know if his music would've been as beautiful.
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe in his time he wouldn't have made his music if he was an atheist. But nowdays, I don't think it matters if you are a theist or not.
@Dramactica lol? atheist has nothing to do with spiritual feelings
only who believe can feel the spirit of God when listening to Bach organ works or his great fugue or his Mass in b minor Bach bring people closer to God ever before
Also, it was the time when secluarism rise in his era. That's how the Protestant was born. Theist beliefs isn't why he was began a genius. He was a spiritual thinker. Anyone can be spiritual.
@philateliceun is not about believing is all about feeling when we feel when hearing Bach and his music for God , that feeling do excist is the energy all alround us we cannot see but we feel each day in and out
@thegoddescomposer O yes I agree that Bach captures the ambience, feeling, of life so well it is almost unnatural. When I listen to Goldberg Var. 1 I literally see 17th century children playing on the streets and people walking by, families enjoying themselves in the living room, old friends talking etc.
@philateliceun He was certainly inspired by God to write this stuff. But doesnt all that is good come from God? Even an atheist can admit to that.
Btw your comment reminds me of what Michael J Fox said about booze. " I'm glad I'm not an alcholic, cos if I was I don't think I would be able to give it up "
@Sixalienasa hmmm, look I don't believe in God so I don't believe everything good comes from God. I also don't believe in Good or Bad. It is just what we accept to be Good or Bad. And I am not saying that Bach wasn't a devoted Christian. He said himself that all music should be dedicated to God. That still doesn't mean, for me, that God exists. And BTW, let's not get into the whole God is/isnot real thing. That stuff never ends :)
@philateliceun You dont believe in good or bad? You are surrounded by good and bad and you dont believe in it. I suppose you will tell me next that you dont believe in air and water, or taste and smell, or love and hate. Btw Beethoven was way ahead of Bach as for composition.
@Sixalienasa I don't know about your last statement, Bach is considered by many if not most as the best composer ever to existed, considering the time he was in and the resources he had available to him. And I really don't know what that has anything to do with my comment except for trying to trigger some reaction and look, there is no Good or Evil, slave trading and keeping was considered normal or moral in the time of the Bible, look were we are now, it is just what we accept as society.
@philateliceun Slave trading and slave keeping was never and will never be considered moral. God esteems all beings as equal. We are all His children with equal rights. You need to examine your conscience about these things, and not be swayed by the popular opinions of the times.
@Sixalienasa However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
@philateliceun Those whom the Hebrews bought as slaves were pagan, gentiles, they were not under the Abrahamic covenant, they were distanced from God spiritually and emotionally. Thus they were considered by Him to be of less value, because they were not partakers of His laws and command- ments, they were simply not of His family. In the eyes of God, this had nothing to do with the signs of the times or society. It was simply the ways of this world that made masters and slaves out of men.
@Sixalienasa and I know it was not totally the same deal as slavery AKA 17th century style but it still shows how our morals have shifted. It would be totally unacceptable in these times to buy humans. We have excluded this thing and we decided it was bad. And you don't have to defend why the bible spoke of this, I understand, I just use it as an example to show how morals can shift, not that the bible is fake or bad.
@philateliceun Take a look at the Bible, the old testament and even the new, and compare how the Hebrews treated their slaves at the way the Mesopotamians, the Philistines, the Babylonians, the Egyptians, and many other ancient civilizations treated theirs. Nowhere in the Bible, or even in secular history will you find the Jews being cruel or unfairly mistreating their slaves like the other civilizations did. The Jews treated their slaves more like servants.
@philateliceun In the eyes of God, good morals and principles never shift away. He's a transcendent God, and His standards are always the same. It is the heart of man that keeps changing the perspective on moral issues and bringing relativism to reality. Of course there's good and there's evil. If this whole life was relative, then what Hitler did to the Jews wouldn't be such a bad thing, and all those remarkable acts of charity mother Theresa did in her life wouldn't be a great deal.
@VincentL7 yes maybe I was too vague. by Good and Bad with a capital G and B I mean objective Good and Bad. There is only good and bad in the present, what we consider good now can be considered bad in a few years and what we considered good a few years ago we consider bad now. There is no measurable good or bad, there is just what we agree upon. Like for instance, some countries see the death penalty as something morally justifiable while others don't. But that is just my believe.
@VincentL7 so if you believe in moral absolutes, how do you justify wars? If killing is bad then it must be always bad. If Iran has a nuke and we go in to take that nuke are we braking a moral absolute, stealing? If I was to live in the 2nd world war and I had jews in my house and the Nazi's asked me should I tell the truth? If me and my 14 year old sister are the only humans left is us procreating also immoral? If there was a maniac trying to kill me would me shooting him be immoral?
Intuitively, K. Armstrong made a very interesting and important point: she says that Bach articulates the inner self Debating on the inner self is complex and unproductive, but whatever your beliefs may be, touching this so very subtle entity has definitively nothing to do with being modern or western it is timeless, just like the honkioku, the drupad... or Notre Dame... J.S. Bach belongs to Humanity for He went beyound the common boundary... Thank you for posting this great documentary!
Could any one tell me which is the fourth song that appears at the openning (After Toccata in D moll, Jesus Joy of Men Desiring an the onefrom Beethoven, i guess)?
I love the opening clip... watched it over 10 times... what was the last Mahler piece? and what's the composer and piece of the Wagner? Anyone knows where I can see other vids from this series?
Whenever I watch something like this, I always like to think of which comments the composer would greet with an answer like this: "Nonsense. You don't understand me or my music at all."
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EmilyGreene1984 3 days ago
Music of a Genius...
youtube.com/watch?v=EmV35VPRT9s
obtica1 2 weeks ago
@poblnr Amen - I couldn't agree more with you. Who needs god when there's JSB :)
jakobv8 1 month ago
wouldnt it be epic to have a mashup of all famous composers?
ijustwantalife 1 month ago
Forget about God & whether he exists or not. At least we know Bach existed & we have his treasure trove of music to enjoy.
pobinr 1 month ago
@pobinr I personally am happy to think about God. :)
EmilyGreene1984 3 days ago
Got to be the greatest intro to a documentary ever! :) 00:01 - 00:27 !
3530JC 1 month ago
Bach is my god, I admire his genius so much that being not gay myself I would probably suck his cock if he told me to
guitarfan1979 1 month ago
Thank you this helped me write my biography for music tech. I will make a link to this so I dont have a piracy violation, so the uploader can get more views, . Also please visit my channel, subscribe, and if someone can make videos of how to act, sing, model please make a video on how to, because I am trying to get an agent,and become famous. Once I master exwercise I will make a video doing it so so I can move to next lesson. feel free to add me as friend
zachlovesling 2 months ago
4:26
omfg you look like a teething 4 year old with gingivitis please get a hint, im sorry, thats over the line
brenonion 4 months ago
What is the name of the bruckner and mahler song in the intro of this documentary?
iamthatguyman 4 months ago
@iamthatguyman Mahler's 1st Symphony is there.
lewars1912 1 month ago
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iamthatguyman 4 months ago
Is not true. Bach's mother did not attend the baptized of his son. She was home sick, still recovering from childbirth. Just watched the father and his two godfather. Bach no godmother.
GBADCD 4 months ago
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GBADCD 4 months ago
I like the way that the video starts, how marvelous!
classicforever1 6 months ago
How poorly he was thought of in his life time. If he only knew what his music means to us today. That finally after a century of silence humanity came to grips with his Genius, Brilliance, and passion of his creation, that helps us mortals to elevate and touch within us, our own infinite and eternal soul. The true reflection of the nature of God. That lack of understanding is s sign of Bach being ahead of his time, but also a sad statement that Artists are fully appreciated after they death.
ObeeLektro 7 months ago
4:27,,,, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! what is that thing
LINX29X92 7 months ago
what's the first song?
RakyunKim 7 months ago
@RakyunKim
Goldberg Varations - I. Aria
;)
bassmajor 7 months ago
@bassmajor no i mean the song on the opening sequences
RakyunKim 7 months ago
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NovalisimBergwerk 8 months ago
I own a recording studio and I can tell you that audio spectrum graph at the beginning doesn't match the music you here played over it.
M3GreatRiffs 8 months ago
what is the name of the song from 0:13 to 0:15??? thank you!!
Sam94244 9 months ago
@Sam94244 Ride of the Valkyries by Richard Wagner.
EarthBoundRules 8 months ago in playlist BBC music documentaries
can anyone please tell me the name of the piece from 0:09 - 0:12 ??? thank you!!
crazilisious4ever 9 months ago
@crazilisious4ever Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto No. 1 in B-flat minor.
EarthBoundRules 9 months ago
he made church feelin a bit jazzy
wandahll 9 months ago
J.s Bach is the last person who was sended by God to Earth
thegoddescomposer 9 months ago
@EmilyGreene1984
lmao
Rossgood 10 months ago
Shit, I just need to watch the intro and I'm inspired.
SpeedoJoe 10 months ago
@killhahenkst It's like talking to a brick wall. Why do you even bother? You can't reason with that which has rejected logic.
batmanpronz 11 months ago
i would be happy to know the name of the piece 5:00-5:30
anonymouspartners 11 months ago
@anonymouspartners Harpsichord concerto in E major, BWV 1053, 2° mov.
venmars 9 months ago
Urgh... Can't a guy enjoy a bit of Bach without someone bringing a discussion about religion in to it?
Nibor7301 11 months ago 10
@killhahenkst There is God.
He opens our eyes to life and all it's beauty. He teaches us how to love one another and what's to come. Sounds like Bach was inspired greatly by God.
deftonesfanatf 11 months ago
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deftonesfanatf 11 months ago
Bach is the Bruce Lee of classical music.
ArcanePath360 1 year ago
Bach and Handel gave us the word
of God, Mozart made us hear the sound
of His laughter, and Beethoven revealed
us His unfathomable power.
VincentL7 1 year ago
hairy potter 333
JJGMUSIC 1 year ago
wow
Concolicona 1 year ago
im atheist, but i LOVE church music
iamajibber 1 year ago
@iamajibber
me 2
^.^
GaoWenzhong 1 year ago
Ugh! That womans teeth and her lisp make me sick!!
bsd300d 1 year ago
Bach created heavy Metal and grunge music
wisesatyr72 1 year ago
anybody know what the music is at 5:02?
theonion7 1 year ago
Why is Karen Armstrong always a commentator on these documentaries? Whether it's the Bible, Martin Luther, Bach, Jesus--she's always rendering an opinion. I wonder of she has a contract with PBS. LOL! I always find that she misses the mark in her commentaries too. What makes her an 'expert' on Bach, anyway?
pastorjackw 1 year ago
i hate my music class, ugh. kill me now.
xjonathan69x 1 year ago
Thank you very much for uploading this documentary. It is so interesting.
Ivanbelastegui 1 year ago
God excist Behind the Starry vault
Bach the translator of the voice of god writed in his music
but look bach believed in god
beethoven also
and look what they have made
and look they both are immortal
thegoddescomposer 1 year ago
I wonder since there are alot of Bach made me believe in god comments, its only fitting Wagner made me believe in odin
flipperboy 1 year ago
ohh!! i love Bach!! he's my favorite!
fixingbraincell 1 year ago
Am schönsten ist "Jesu, meine Freude".
LuckyLu93 1 year ago
0:13
what's the name of that piece??
THEBULLANGUEROCK 1 year ago
Wagner's Ride of the Valkyrie from Die Walkure opera.
fujianprince 1 year ago
God was born the21 March of 1685 at Eisenach.
tommyIglesias 1 year ago
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music is is just a system. god not needed. a computer can create similar pieces without faith. bach needed money.
patfarlow 1 year ago
it is because of Bach, that I gave my life to Jesus Christ. His music, for me, causes me to believe in God.
revfox1740 2 years ago 2
@revfox1740
You are right, this music is inspired by the Holy Spirit and it's made to lead to God.
usherattt 2 years ago 4
Oh please.
I don't believe in God and enjoy Bach so that blows a hole in your gross generalisation.
GKFC 1 year ago
@usherattt too bad god doesn't exist, right?
KirkAwesome 8 months ago
@KirkAwesome nope sorry
grunt12394 7 months ago
@usherattt I'd dispute that. But - inconvenient as it may be for a Bach-obsessed atheist like me - there is absolutely no question that HE believed it, entirely.
GedKelly1999 4 months ago
lol
sassalikesit 1 year ago
Really excited to see that Joanna MacGregor is playing Bach with Britten Sinfonia at the Reverb concerts at London's Roundhouse on Jan 23rd.
tomkihl 2 years ago
Richard Dawkins also said that you don´t have to believe in Wotan, Fricka, Thor or the Valyries to enjoy Wagners "Ring" - same thing about Bach and god imho
Mase251 2 years ago 3
Where's Dawkin's logic there? It would be more logical to say that you didn't believe in Wagner & yet enjoy his"Ring" cycle.
He didn't just let his pen wander over the manuscript and hope for some little tune to emerge by chance. The complexities and beauty of Bach's music point to a brilliant creative mind - all dedicated to the glory of his Creator!
jrdavage 2 years ago
I love bach...
I still dont know why his music is important for us to play.
laqin007 2 years ago
Its because of his mastery of counterpoint.
Jslegacy01 2 years ago
well, aside from the enormous technique benefits that there are to be gained from playing it. if you wanna move forward in music you gotta know where you're coming from.
otherjoe1234 2 years ago
what is the name of the piece in 6:17 ?
thank you
depthofdark10 2 years ago
@depthofdark10 Capriccio sopra la lontanaza del fratello dilettissimo BWV992 Allegro Poco
mdio27 3 months ago
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mdio27 3 months ago
Ok i can't even watch more than 5 minutes of this... to start this film by saying "there would be no Romantique era with out bach" is absurd! Beethoven broke away from the style of Bach, Beethoven-almost- took a lesson from mozart but left before he could. He independently of bach created the romantique period. I would call this documentary 100percent high budget junk.
KindFurryBoy 2 years ago
Ok, lets see. This just shows how little you know about Beethoven. In his final, third period Beethoven was very much influenced by Bach. This is accounted by numerous fugues he wrote in his piano sonatas (op. 106, 110). His probably greatest late string quartet (Op.131) starts with a sublime four fugue that is directly influenced by Bach's Art of Fugue. In fact Bach's Art of Fugue was one the scores in Beethoven's musical library. Not to say that he played well Tempered Clavier as a kid.
iamalittlespy 2 years ago
The link between Bach and Beethoven goes even deeper. Beethoven very carefully studied CPE Bach's piano sonatas, which which were in turn influenced by JS Bach. So before making inflammatory statements, please read up on some music history.
iamalittlespy 2 years ago
I am completely insulted as a musician that the BBC would begin a documentary about Bach with a toccata et fugue he did NOT write. Any schoolar with a brain claims that J.S. Bach did -not- write toccata et fugue in d minor... it is stylisticly not Bach.
KindFurryBoy 2 years ago
I find it funny that so often people doubt many of Bach's great pieces. I am not saying it is impossible; however, it is not a fact. Bach is KNOWN for his immense creative thoughts. Almost every famous composers up to date has acknowledged that fact... and the fact that this man is the immortal god of harmony.
RedWasabii 2 years ago
who says he didn't write that? I go to ithaca college and have never heard he didn't
dmoore2310 2 years ago
``it is stylisticly not Bach``
What an idiot
Search : J. S. Bach - (2/2) Halt im Gedächtnis Jesum Christ, Cantata BWV 67 - Nos. 6 - 7 (Rilling)
Search : J.S. Bach: Cantata BWV 39: chorusBrich dem Hungrigen dein Br
Oh this is not Bach this is not Bach lol
FriendlyCroock 2 years ago
Bach was very inventive
Yes I think you can say that Bach invented Mozart and Beethoven lol
FriendlyCroock 2 years ago
unbelievable music....a musical superhero.
lens2optic 2 years ago
The intro to this is crazy amazing. I'm totally psyched for the actual program now.
lapintoinette 2 years ago 2
oh, and does anyone else think that the intro to the show montgage-thing is completely kickass?
otherjoe1234 2 years ago 9
oh yah
JAYASEKERA 2 years ago 2
It's innocorrect though, the very first piece they begin the start with is toccata et fugue then show Bachs pic, except he didnt write that piece and they are insinuating he had.
KindFurryBoy 2 years ago
Are you saying that the toccata and fugue is not in a Bach stile? then you`re an idiot
You should listen to more of Bach`s church music.
FriendlyCroock 2 years ago
cantatas and oratorios
FriendlyCroock 2 years ago
everyone played bach, but usually it was used only for practice and as a measure of technical ability, it wasn't until later that his music was really performed and featured again
otherjoe1234 2 years ago 6
Thank you for this video!
CantorNeoplatensis 2 years ago 2
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if he had stayed only a few years longer mozart would have kicked his ass
alilapointe1 2 years ago
" Gone Chopin "
" Bach, in a minuet "
Sixalienasa 2 years ago 23
Hope you took your Chopin Liszt!
If not, and you forget something, we won't Telemann - or a woman.
And to be perfectly Franck, we hope you get some Verdi good prices that your bank account can Handel!
3cplantin 2 years ago 25
@3cplantin oh for fuck's sake... that's so bad it's good ^_^
Shogunmiyuchan 1 year ago
@Sixalienasa
i'll be haydn in the corner
fagottist 1 year ago
@Sixalienasa ROTFL!!
MrHicks091 1 year ago
@MrHicks091 Heydn in the corner.
Sixalienasa 1 year ago
You must be Baching mad! Get a Handel on yourself.
AbsoluteMonarchist 1 year ago
@AbsoluteMonarchist Very droll Mr. Chisum.
Sixalienasa 1 year ago
So, that's taken from a letter from Czerny to someone, yes? It's obviously not part of Beethoven's correspondence.
Anton Schindler, held a very prominent position in Beethoven's life at times, but, he has all but been dismissed from serious discussion in light of numerous intentional fabrications and blatant forgeries (he actually altered and/or recreated large portions of the Conversation Books as well as destroying many of them).
KennYWooD2 2 years ago
Ah, I've found a description of your book. A collection of diaries, letters and memoirs from Beethoven's contemporaries, yes? I will have to take a look at it. What I find to be (as I'm sure you would also) more interesting yet, are the Conversation Books themselves, as well as the body of letters to and from Beethoven, himself, and also Beethoven's Tagebuch. I think we've completely lost sight of the original argument, but that's ok.
KennYWooD2 2 years ago
oh well hehe
edwardk1011 2 years ago
Wait a second? What are you actually arguing here?
edwardk1011 2 years ago
I'm arguing that Beethoven, didn't, as a habit, judge pianists by their ability to play the WTC. Where are you taking the Czerny quote from by the way?
KennYWooD2 2 years ago
Its from this book of beethovens letters! Its called Beethovens Impressions! Its very old mind! Thats where im getting my arguments from! Its says that beethovens benchmark on the piano also by a certin Anton Schindler as well!!
edwardk1011 2 years ago
The Liszt account is not a letter at all. It's simply Liszt's own account of his meeting with Beethoven, which has it's dubious points. Supposedly, Beethoven, asked Liszt, if he could play a fugue by Bach, and Liszt, chose the c minor (he didn't say which book). The story continues that Beethoven, asked, if Liszt, could transpose the fugue, which he did. I suppose based on this one incident you're right. By the way, there are 48 p's and f's...not 24.
KennYWooD2 2 years ago
Listen mate dont question my knowledge of beethoven!! And no my record says it was czerny who was nervous as beethoven apperently hated child prodigys!!! Since my point is proven thats all i shall say! But also there is some evidence that mozart knew of bach as in one of his fugues he says he wrote it in the style of bach!! And yes i suppose i should have put book one for the p and fs! of course i know!!!!!!! And yes czerny states BOOK 1!!!
edwardk1011 2 years ago
Hahaha, trust me...I know more about Beethoven than you've forgotten. Czerny was not shy at all about bringing Liszt to Beethoven. In fact he pestered him about it enough that Beethoven finally said, "Well bring the rascal to me, in God's name!" It was Liszt, who was shy (according to Liszt's account). There IS, actually, more than one legend surrounding this story and while one of them is certainly just that...legend...the other bears no proof outside of Liszt's own reminiscences when...
KennYWooD2 2 years ago
...he was an old man. Beethoven would've been completely deaf in 1823 and Liszt claimed that the meeting took place in the Shwarzpanierhaus, yet Beethoven wasn't living there then. The Conversation Books, do, tell of the meeting, but the narrative is one sided (meaning Beethoven's responses were spoken). Liszt never mentions whether he played c minor from Bk. 1 or 2...simply from the WTC. I could write you a rather lengthy reply had I the room about the whole situation, but, alas, no room...
KennYWooD2 2 years ago
In reference to your assertion that Mozart knew of Bach...there is NO doubt that he did as copies of Bach's works were found in his estate. Mozart and Beethoven, both, studied Bach's fugues...Beethoven, especially so toward the end of his life, and they were a HUGE influence in his late works. So to get back to your original point...Beethoven did not make a habit of judging pianists on their ability to play the great 48. He simply asked a young Liszt if he could play a Bach fugue.
KennYWooD2 2 years ago
It was a bit more than that if i could quote " I introduced the boy to beethoven when he was about eleven. After my pestering i know grew nervous as Beethoven often told me of his repugnance for child prodigies." blah blah blah " I warned Franz of beethovens tastes and told him to prepare the bach from book one of The Well tempered Clavichord. "
edwardk1011 2 years ago
no u r wrong! beethoven judged pianests on how well they played the 48 preludes and fugues which he himself played throughout his life ! u r wrong!
edwardk1011 2 years ago 4
Not fair. Beethoven wasn't a pianist as much as a freak of nature. He could probably play all of bach's preludes upside down, blind folded with his arms tied behind his back.
RainMan34 2 years ago
You are right Edwardk1011, the well tempered clavier was a favorite of composers such as Beethoven, Chopin and Mozart. I suggest you listen to Edwin Fischer's recording of the WTC, since it descends directly from Beethoven's interpretation (from Beethoven to Czerny, Czerny to Liszt... until Fischer).
FeuVache 2 years ago
thanks very much!! i will listen!
edwardk1011 2 years ago
He did? I'd argue here, but feel I'd be wasting my time. What I think would be amusing would be if composers like Bach or Beethoven could read the comments sections here you YouTube. I'm have no doubt they'd all be pulling their collective hairs out.
KennYWooD2 2 years ago
They would be tearing there hair out but not for the reasons u think! u would be wasting ur time as my sources are 100% reliable! Beethoven would judge a pianest by how well he played the 48 preludes and fugues! Then he would ask the player to play the chosen fugue in a different key!
edwardk1011 2 years ago
Really? 100% reliable? They must have known Beethoven, then, yes? Or perhaps the source is Beethoven, himself?
KennYWooD2 2 years ago
yep! They are letters to and from beethoven! Beethoven got Liszt to play the fugue in C minor! out of the 24 p and fs!! So that proves my point i think?? hehe! Sorry if i appear cross im not! my comments kinda portray me that way haha!
edwardk1011 2 years ago
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WRONG ! WRONG ! WRONG ! Almost no composer knew of Bach until that mediocre composer Mendelssohn. And yet Beethoven surpasses Felix in every way. Music continues to be subjective as it always should be.
EMPERORMIKI 2 years ago
u r very very wrong! mozart played bach!
edwardk1011 2 years ago 7
WTF are you smoking? Bach was revered during and after his time.
operaticxingenue 2 years ago
You`re WRONG ! WRONG ! WRONG !
and you have -8
FriendlyCroock 2 years ago
If I wasn't an atheist I would belief that Bach was a real prophet from God.
philateliceun 2 years ago 15
Then why are you an atheist :D
FriendlyCroock 2 years ago
Because I don't believe in God? No that's not entirely true, I don't believe in a personal god, I have personal ideas about god but they are not describable in 500 characters. But that it is all to much to explain and I consider myself more atheistic then deistic so to go around alot of explaining I just call myself an atheist. And this does not in any way take away my love for Bach. He is one of those artist I just can't understand. I can't understan how a human could make such music.
philateliceun 2 years ago
Well, JSB described in music what none of us can put 500 characters. That is the function of art.
Turgorful 2 years ago 2
Why does God always have to be shoved into every hole in our understanding?
gr0mithtimon 2 years ago
ok goodbye
FriendlyCroock 2 years ago
well, faith was an incredibly important part of bach's life and music, so it would be a major oversight if they didn't stress it here
otherjoe1234 2 years ago 3
read the comment i was replying to. I wasnt talking about Bach.
gr0mithtimon 2 years ago
Its easy to forget the church was the only paying gig at the time.
Jslegacy01 2 years ago 23
@Jslegacy01 Not true actually. Bach had been a well paid organist and concertmaster for more than one secular employer previous to working at the church in Leipzig. A court composer could earn decent money writing and performing secular music.
banginghats2 6 months ago 5
@Jslegacy01 The church, or royalty. But that "restraint" provided order and structure.
altriego1 4 months ago
@philateliceun Well, Bach composed most of his music in the name of a god, which explains, in part, his prodigious talent and sensibility. Had he been a fellow atheist, I don't know if his music would've been as beautiful.
echlyn 1 year ago
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe in his time he wouldn't have made his music if he was an atheist. But nowdays, I don't think it matters if you are a theist or not.
philateliceun 1 year ago
@philateliceun
I disagree. atheists are spiritual too. He can made music if he was an atheist. he do secluar music, too.
Dramactica 1 year ago
@Dramactica lol? atheist has nothing to do with spiritual feelings
only who believe can feel the spirit of God when listening to Bach organ works or his great fugue or his Mass in b minor Bach bring people closer to God ever before
just feel the present of God in bach music
thegoddescomposer 1 year ago
@Dramactica How can you be atheist and be
spiritual? If you don't believe in anything, you
can't feed your spirit or be inspired by it. To be
spiritual, you need to believe in something, you
need to have faith in something other than
yourself, even if it's pagan; otherwise, your
spirit is empty.
VincentL7 1 year ago
@philateliceun
Also, it was the time when secluarism rise in his era. That's how the Protestant was born. Theist beliefs isn't why he was began a genius. He was a spiritual thinker. Anyone can be spiritual.
Dramactica 1 year ago
@philateliceun is not about believing is all about feeling when we feel when hearing Bach and his music for God , that feeling do excist is the energy all alround us we cannot see but we feel each day in and out
thegoddescomposer 1 year ago
@thegoddescomposer O yes I agree that Bach captures the ambience, feeling, of life so well it is almost unnatural. When I listen to Goldberg Var. 1 I literally see 17th century children playing on the streets and people walking by, families enjoying themselves in the living room, old friends talking etc.
philateliceun 1 year ago
@philateliceun u should hear Bach B minor mass Dona Nobis Pacem write it down on youtube
and you feel the spirit of the whole mankind since the begin of the beginning
I cannot call myself a atheist i cant
i dont shame about, never forget where we come from never forgot yourself
Bach's music is the holy spirit of the music the voice of God
thegoddescomposer 1 year ago
@philateliceun better than that. He was a true servant of God
ogutu2 1 year ago
@philateliceun He was certainly inspired by God to write this stuff. But doesnt all that is good come from God? Even an atheist can admit to that.
Btw your comment reminds me of what Michael J Fox said about booze. " I'm glad I'm not an alcholic, cos if I was I don't think I would be able to give it up "
Sixalienasa 1 year ago
@Sixalienasa hmmm, look I don't believe in God so I don't believe everything good comes from God. I also don't believe in Good or Bad. It is just what we accept to be Good or Bad. And I am not saying that Bach wasn't a devoted Christian. He said himself that all music should be dedicated to God. That still doesn't mean, for me, that God exists. And BTW, let's not get into the whole God is/isnot real thing. That stuff never ends :)
philateliceun 1 year ago
@philateliceun You dont believe in good or bad? You are surrounded by good and bad and you dont believe in it. I suppose you will tell me next that you dont believe in air and water, or taste and smell, or love and hate. Btw Beethoven was way ahead of Bach as for composition.
Sixalienasa 1 year ago
@Sixalienasa I don't know about your last statement, Bach is considered by many if not most as the best composer ever to existed, considering the time he was in and the resources he had available to him. And I really don't know what that has anything to do with my comment except for trying to trigger some reaction and look, there is no Good or Evil, slave trading and keeping was considered normal or moral in the time of the Bible, look were we are now, it is just what we accept as society.
philateliceun 1 year ago
@philateliceun Slave trading and slave keeping was never and will never be considered moral. God esteems all beings as equal. We are all His children with equal rights. You need to examine your conscience about these things, and not be swayed by the popular opinions of the times.
Sixalienasa 1 year ago
@Sixalienasa However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
philateliceun 1 year ago
VincentL7 1 year ago
@Sixalienasa and I know it was not totally the same deal as slavery AKA 17th century style but it still shows how our morals have shifted. It would be totally unacceptable in these times to buy humans. We have excluded this thing and we decided it was bad. And you don't have to defend why the bible spoke of this, I understand, I just use it as an example to show how morals can shift, not that the bible is fake or bad.
philateliceun 1 year ago
VincentL7 1 year ago
VincentL7 1 year ago
@philateliceun Your reasoning is too vague.
You don't have to believe in God to see there's good
in compassionate people, nor to believe in the devil to
realize there's bad in the hearts of mass murderers.
Relativism is what blinds the minds of men to the
point of becoming totally illogical. You don't believe
in God? Fair enough. Now, how would you feel if
a certain tug broke into your house and caused (God
forbid) great harm to you and your family? Would
that be relative?
VincentL7 1 year ago
@VincentL7 yes maybe I was too vague. by Good and Bad with a capital G and B I mean objective Good and Bad. There is only good and bad in the present, what we consider good now can be considered bad in a few years and what we considered good a few years ago we consider bad now. There is no measurable good or bad, there is just what we agree upon. Like for instance, some countries see the death penalty as something morally justifiable while others don't. But that is just my believe.
philateliceun 1 year ago
@philateliceun Thank you for your prompt response,
you're obviously a well mannered man. However,
REALITY goes beyond what you and I and the
others believe as a society or as individuals. We
don't define the concept of good or bad because
we're too imperfect to fully understand "the slings
and arrows" of our lives. Good and evil are not
subjective to our personal believes because they
have always existed independent of our moral
judgement.
VincentL7 1 year ago
@philateliceun Pardon me for my long responses.
Of course there are minor issues that could be
subject to our different points of view. However,
during His ministry on this earth, Christ saved an
adulterous woman from being stoned to death by
the Pharisees,---would you consider this good or
evil? Hundreds of thousands of innocent Jewish
men, women, children, and old folks, were cruelly
tortured and murdered by Hitler's orders,----is that
only subject to what we may believe of it?
VincentL7 1 year ago
@philateliceun If euthanizing a child and pedophilia
became as popular as abortion in these days, would
that be fair or good just because it is justifiable in our
present times? if you're a man of reason, then logic
must tell you that good and bad are absolute
regardless of your personal beliefs or what other
countries may think. Relativism brings great
societies to self destruction when these can't
discern good from evil, just take a look at the
ancient empires.
VincentL7 1 year ago
@VincentL7 so if you believe in moral absolutes, how do you justify wars? If killing is bad then it must be always bad. If Iran has a nuke and we go in to take that nuke are we braking a moral absolute, stealing? If I was to live in the 2nd world war and I had jews in my house and the Nazi's asked me should I tell the truth? If me and my 14 year old sister are the only humans left is us procreating also immoral? If there was a maniac trying to kill me would me shooting him be immoral?
philateliceun 1 year ago
@philateliceunAgain, I apologize for my long delays,
bear with me. First, killing is different than murder.
Killing is only reasonable when you're trying to
protect yourself or your loved ones. Bad is the
illogical choices we DELIBERATELY make when
we hurt INNOCENTS. Killing a threatening maniac
would depend on how much you appreciate your
own life and that of the others, it is only immoral
if you're a coward and don't defend your children
and wife.
VincentL7 1 year ago
@philateliceun Wars and robbery are never moral,
but sometimes these two are justifiable because of
terrible circumstances that leave you NO other choice.
Murder is when you plan beforehand your targets and
kill them with MALICE and pride in your heart. Now, if
you had jews hidden in your house in W.W.II, the moral
thing to do would be to protect their lives regardless of
the truth. The truth in our hands is not always moral
when it serves the purpose of villains and murderers.
VincentL7 1 year ago
@philateliceun One last note. Unlike murder, killing
is impersonal, and you do it because you're forced to.
Morality not only serves the purpose of ethics, it makes
you denounce and confront evil and values the
sanctity of innocent lives. Immorality makes you act
out of pure malice when you cooperate with villains,
when you excuse a murderer's conduct and condemn
the unborn to a death you wouldn't take upon
yourself. However, you're no Lot (Genesis 19:
31 - 32). God's morals, not man's.
VincentL7 1 year ago
Intuitively, K. Armstrong made a very interesting and important point: she says that Bach articulates the inner self Debating on the inner self is complex and unproductive, but whatever your beliefs may be, touching this so very subtle entity has definitively nothing to do with being modern or western it is timeless, just like the honkioku, the drupad... or Notre Dame... J.S. Bach belongs to Humanity for He went beyound the common boundary... Thank you for posting this great documentary!
108BR 2 years ago 2
Could any one tell me which is the fourth song that appears at the openning (After Toccata in D moll, Jesus Joy of Men Desiring an the onefrom Beethoven, i guess)?
zezinhozeppelin 2 years ago
Piano Concerto No. 1 by Tchaikovsky
megk7992 2 years ago
Which song appears after Wagner's The Valkyrie? And who is that composer represented?
EmceeLorder 2 years ago
I'm not sure what the song is because they only play about three notes of it, but I'm almost positive that is Giacomo Puccini
megk7992 2 years ago
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It's the aria "Nessun Dorma," from Puccini's unfinished opera Turandot.
cantseetheforest 2 years ago
I wonder why you got spammed? Interesting network we have here. Anyway, thanks for the info.
EmceeLorder 2 years ago
Yeah its Puccini, nessun dorma, turandot.
thereisonlyonething 2 years ago
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cantseetheforest 2 years ago
I love the opening clip... watched it over 10 times... what was the last Mahler piece? and what's the composer and piece of the Wagner? Anyone knows where I can see other vids from this series?
wahpiangeidamnit 2 years ago
thank so much for this videos!!
Thx a lot!!
Chopin1986 2 years ago
Beautiful !
Thanks for this video :)
Raed103 2 years ago
Whenever I watch something like this, I always like to think of which comments the composer would greet with an answer like this: "Nonsense. You don't understand me or my music at all."
Jitpring 2 years ago