I love the comment "how long does it last" 8 weeks and still good, how long does a Blood pressure drug last is there one drug that you take once and is good for 8 weeks and what is the side effects of a drug? That medical commentator how ignorant..., the side effects of a Chiropractic Adjustment is restoration of normal function ... I will take normal function over chemically induced system change anyday... CHIROPRACTIC ROCKS!!!!!
@johnbchiro LOL! I thought the same..."A medical man trying to comprehend then discuss chiropractic in medical terms". ADIO! Chiropractic Does it Again!
Jesus loves the zoosexual. Nature uncensored, nether should nudity in art be censored ither, and we are all part of nature, and the only thing different is that we chose vanity willingly, and the non human animals unwillingly. Therefore it is sex with one animal to another animal. Tell the world, all of your fiends ,and have your friend ,friends, so the information can spread exponentially like an nuclear explosion. throughout the world so that all hear about this.Will you do that?crush hate..
What humans do not realize is that the beginnings of these problems can begin with birth shifting the atlas from being in the orthoganol position,and since humans are still conditioned to wait for symptoms will not benefit as much, and prevent problems if going to get checked only when they have a problem that is obvious. Be checked a soon as you canm and as young as you can even when you think you feel fine, but an imbalance can still be present. Correct it before a lot of damage occurs.
hey im 18 and ive been having problems with my neck& body for almost a year now.. :/ does anyone know the type of technique the chiropractic in this video uses? specifically named please, thanks
It is called NUCCA. Atlas Orthogonal is another good technique that I use. A simple Google search of either one should bring up a doctor somewhere near where you live.
LOL! "How long does it last?"...the news correspondant asks...It lasts as long as you maintain your spines proper spinal mechanics!! You go CHIROPRACTIC!!!
@kobidobidog Right you are. There are several chiropractic "upper cervical specific" adjustive techniques, i.e. Toggle Recoil, Atlas Orthogonal, HIO (Hole In One), NUCCA ( National Upper Cervical Chiropractic Association), etc. They all address the relationship between the occiput-atlas-axis. If I choose to adjust "Full Spine", I always analyze for an upper cervical subluxation complex. Otherwise, upper cervical specific anlysis and correction is first in order. ADIO!
@chiropractic47 I talk about all of those technique names. it is to relieve irritation to the brain stem, and the medulla oblongata too, that helps the brain to communicate to the body more efficiently to prevent, and relieve many problems. Do you know of the Duff method?it is taught at Sherman Collage.You must know of the base posterior, A-P open mouth,and nasium x rays.
@chiropractic47 My upper cervical specific only care doctor Stephen Duff uses it. his father created the technique ,it is taught at Sherman collage. it is a great way of measuring for temperature differential technique interpretation of the graph of a Tytron infrared scanner telling when to adjust ,and when not to adjust, and Duff Method is also used to determine the center of the foreman magnum.
@kobidobidog The device you describe that measures temperature differential is called a neurocalometer. It's primary purpose is assist on when to adjust. Sometimes I use an infrared temperature scanner/meter. Awesome that you utilize a chiropractic upper cervical specific doctor. Keep spreading the chiropractic message. Everyone needs chiropractic!
@chiropractic47 I have been spreading the need for this care for all ages, and to not wait for symptoms because if they do damage has already occurred to the spinal disks. Spine is supposed to float on those disks, and if excessive wear occurs this floating does not occur as freely as it should. The sooner one is evaluated from birth on up is important. Name to use is upper cervical specific. Chiropractor can refer to full spine or diversified chiropractor which no one should use.
It's so friggin amazing that the health claims that chiropractic doctors made and have affected over the past 125 years, that medicine tried so hard to "quash", are finally seeing the light of day in the scientific research world? I love it!! CHIROPRACTIC!!!
since this was aired, what has changed? nothing. with the amount of money big pharma spends for advertising, i'm shocked it was aired in the first place. anyway, no damage done. just a momentary glitch. a little of the truth got out for a second, but no significant after effects. people still sick, profits unaffected. life is good.
what defines evil? certainly willful ignorance, but especially knowingly doing things that hurt people under the guise of pretending to help, motivated by greed and pride? if so, isn't this commonplace in much of what we call our "health care " system?
LOL! Listening to the news stations medical correspondant makes me both hurl and laugh! "Well, "we" dont' know how exactly it works to lower blood pressure. Of course! You don't ask a medical doctor to answer a chiropractic question! LOL!! Everyone needs to be examined and worked on by a chiropractic doctor! Avoid medicine's "If it aint broke don't fix it" and "You don't have symptoms" mentality. Everyone needs chiropractic care!
I love how all these comments make all these claims and provide no proof.
I also love how a lot of these commenters think that this video somehow scientifically proves that chiropractic adjustments work.
I've actually read (unlike many others) the study that they are referencing in this video. Here is the reference Barkis G. et al. "Atlas vertebra realignment and achievement of arterial pressure goal in hypertensive patients: a pilot study." Journal of Human Hypertension (2007), 1-6.
If you actually read this study you can see that it is far from PROOF. That is if you know anything about science. Also note that the authors are mostly MDs. Why is that?
You found the study referencing the study of chiropractic lowers blood pressure, you saw and heard the MD on this video who conducted a study showing chiropractic upper cervical adjustments lower blood pressure...so what gives?
Do you know what "a pilot study" means? Does only ONE study give anything scientific credit to be called PROOF? Did you actually read the study? I did. Do you know how to read scientific studies? From your comments I have a hard time believing you understand the what's even going on in this video.
"...majority of the authors of the referenced study...are actually MD's" GREAT! It's about time MD's woke up and achnowledged chiropractic. DC's have their research panel with MD's and PhD's. Let's see some more medical studies with DC's on board. Ye ha! Facial!
that's amazing. Pretty amazing to think how all body parts are connected and everyone is important for how your body works. I felt my neck and this is my first time to watch. It was funny because I was feeling it about the same time she said people at home were feeling their necks.
The authors of the referenced study in this video are mostly MDs. MDs working with DCs are providing this scientific evidence.
Amazing that you can make a comment like that. Have you even read the study? Do you know how to use Google and how to read scientific papers? Just curious. Because from this comment it sure doesn't seem like it.
We all must work together. DC's must teach MD's to refer to DC's more often as a means of providing a safer and effective solution, one that addresses the underlying cause.
"on what scientific basis?" On the scientific basis that only 15% of medicine is scientifically valid and hasn't helped as well as chiropractic. Nuff said!
I am pleased to report that since using Levodyn, my blood pressure has lowered to the good range. This is the only thing that I have done differently recently so the credit is due to this natural product. My doctor has noticed the improvement after I told him about taking this supplement, but he didn't seem to want to discuss this.
Be wary of these NUCCA chiropractors. The Univ of Chicago study indicated Dr. Dickholtz only adjusted the patients one time. I found a NUCCA dr. and he took xrays and scans & said he could help. He told me he wasn't like a regular chiro. Second time I went back, he gave me the sales pitch it would take a year to fix & cost me $365/mo. or $4100 if I paid upfront! When I said I couldn't afford, he said business isn't hurting me! Needless to say, I didn't go back!
I really, really want someone to explain to me how DD Palmer cured Harvey Lillard of deafness. Everybody either ignores the question or posts some personal attack. Comeon guys, if you chiros really knew your stuff you should be able to answer this in a couple of seconds.
A cardiologist will always recommend easting healthy and exercise...hahahahahahha... So will my parents!!!!!!!!!! And I do know what going on, that why we take MRI's and X-rays... You have an agenda against chiropractor's. You must, because you are ignoring that fact that we are helping people. Or they would never come back... Wow you are ignorant. Dude just don't go to one, LET IT GO...!!!! Really!! Seriously!!
You are the ignorant one. DC's always say that MD's dont understand the importance of a healthy lifestyle...what I am saying is that they do and this thinking is not unique to chiropractic. And whats the point of taking MRI's and X rays...if manipulation is so safe then just manipulate the hell out of a patient...save their body from unnecessary cancer causing x rays. You seem to not care about reason so just crack backs and leave the real healing to others that understand science and medicine
And jvelos3 look at this video again, he did get results that are undeniable. And that's what it's all about, getting results. So don't call it subluxation, call it something else, I don't care as long as it works. I get results or I wouldn't still be in business. 70% of low back sugeries fail, do me, and everyone else a favor, and go have one to prove us wrong. lol dumb ass.
So you are manipulating without knowing exactly what is going on?? that is just dumb.
How many manipulations fail? how many people go in for a manipulation for something that will just go away on its own? 75% of acute back pain goes away within 3 weeks...
what do you guys do in DC school then...sounds like something someone can learn in 1 year...cracking backs without understanding the science behind it...
Shit jvelos3! Of course when we adjust we know whats going on!...while you don't.
yes, one year for technique, three years to lear when- what- why.
jvelos3, we sense your interest in a career in chiropractic...be a DC. join us!
What will go away on its own? The pain? or the subluxated vertebral motor units? what was the cause of pain (crux)? majority of the time the body is amazing in consolidating inflammation and correcting subluxations. the DC gives a helping hand.
I'm going into podiatry...really interested in diabetic foot wound care. thanks anyways.
I know there are many things you DC's do and it does help...among other things minor missalignment and back pain...but based on my current knowledge of the human body I will have to say that I do not agree with the chiropractic theory of subluxation.
MD's don't really help out with nutrition persay, they encourage it but that's really about it. As far as smoking, a lot of MD's smoke...LOL I say if you don't believe in the subluxation complex, that's fine. Who cares? I look at it from the aspect of maintaining good spinal health long term. I REALLY think you have an issue with subluxation which was thought up 100 years ago. Really, who gives a shit.
and im guessing no DC's smoke? and i suppose no priests lie, cheat, steal either...
Who cares if MDs dont help out with nutrition directly...they still believe in it and a cardiologist will always recommend eating healthy, exercise and lose weight to their patients.
What, "I'll try an adjustment but don't touch my neck" Everyday children run down my hall and jump on the table. Now a grown man says he may try chiropractic but don't touch his neck?
It would be impossible for anyone to not "Making fun" and risk not being "mature" after reading the garbage you and I spew.
Go back and reread our exchanges. Some intelligent..., some...well...not so bright....
Since it seems we won't agree on most issues, and both have shot across each others bow...what do you say we have a little fun while we retort to each others contentions?
jvelos, I read the study, and leaves a lot to be answered. But really the amount of weight exerted is a fracion what our LIVING bodies go through every day. Think about the force that starts at our feet and travels up. 1000's of pounds. You have a lot to learn yet. Also degeneration of the spine and it ability maintain itself. Look into low back problems. It's scary man, very scary. Look into low back surgery, and bad sucess rates. VERY SCARY. Keep educating yourself man.
I can see the contributions chiropractic can offer for lower back pain and degeneration but the subluxation theory is something that is still unproven. Physically it is almost impossible. Remember that the nerves to and from the spinal cord lead through canals within the vertebrae itself...not in between vertebrae. In order to pinch these nerves you would need to actually distort the vertebrae itself. can you answer for me the exact amount of spinal deviation for subluxation?
There has to be...if it exists then it must be measurable.
I dont personally know but there are guidelines to dosage of pain killers.
Actually most do know the mechanism of how different drugs work, toxicity, etc. Now I am not saying they know it to a T...there are a lot of drugs out there...but if you ever get prescribed something ask the prescribing physician anything you want...if you want a more detailed/accurate answer then ask the pharmacist...these guys for sure will know them.
@jvelos3 If the atlas has shifted lateral three quarters of degree relative to the skull that constitutes a subluxation. Anything less causes no neurological insult and is not a subluxation.
jvelos,,there was a government study performed and it stated that the weight of a dime on a nerve reduced it's flow by 20%. Look into that goverment study.
I found some research which basically said that because of the structure of human/mammalian spines...subluxation as chiropractors explain it is not possible. The structures of our vertebrae make it impossible to "pinch" nerves. Search "A Scientific Test of Chiropractic's Subluxation Theory" on google...it is by Edmund S. Crelin, Ph.D.
This is not from drug companies...this is from insurance companies. It is to save money the insurance company money. This doesn't even deal with prescribing NEW drugs.
They need more data...Hmmmm. Well chiropractic has been around for over a hundred years. I think someone needs to wake the fuck up. WTF even know this interview was postive, it still pissed me off. "Only a Hand full of chiro's can do this technique" What absolute BULLSHIT.
I got a question. Is there a chiropractic equivalent of WebMD where I can look up my symptoms and figure out where my spine is misaligned and the proper technique used to correct it? Like a diagnosis handbook.
Just go get a consoultation, or several. Chiropractic is a simple, sound theory, but you need to find Chiro who you feel comfortable with, like any other Doctor.
How am I supposed to scrutinize the doc? How do I know they are doing the right thing? Going to several consultations would just be a hassle. There has to be some sort of literature on diagnosis and treatment for chiropractors.
I think it's getting to be malpractice for an MD not refer to a chiropractor simple because it is a viable option that brings relief, and if an MD doesn't at least make mention of it, he should be held liable.
I believe that as an MD he would be hard pressed to say anything positive without resevations, afterall this is his livilyhood as well. Primary care docs are no great shake for much of anything, except a referal to a specialist, which they won't give to a chiropractor. Why?? Because they really don't know about anything we do. It's really that simple. And most people are scared of things they don't know about or understand ,and then they slander them.
Again, there is and continues to be supportive research for the DC. There are DC PhD's. Due to the ever increasing popularity of the DC, chiropractic is now in the position to ignore "...acceptance will come" from the medical field.
I see 500 pv/week, I am the "hub" (head honcho) doctor of my community. Several medics rely on me accepting them. Though i refer to them and vice versa, I don't care wether they approve of me or not.
Your patient volume has nothing to do with research. And you are 1 in a 1000. DC's have the highest default rate out of any healthcare profession...by a long shot...so it is not that accepted.
back to making fun because you having nothing intelligent to say huh...
The lack of research is whats keeping DCs back. You make manipulation seem like the key to the fountain of youth...if this is so then produce research and everyone will flock to chiropractic.
show me the research specifically dealing with subluxation. I never said chiropractic has nothing to offer...I mentioned that you guys are musculoskeletal experts...but subluxation is something unique to chiropractic. I have yet to see this theory proven.
Chiropractic continues to grow at a rate that alarms Big-Medicine and Pharma.
Though the spinal adjustment is not a cure all, it either directly or indirectly addresses a plethora of maladies that have the nervous system as an operator.
Can you explain all the direct and indirect mechanisms? Tell me...what is the minimum amount of spinal missalignment in order to classify it as subluxation? can you guarantee that if patient A and B both have a spinal deviation of 5degrees in the same exact area that they will experience the same symptoms with the same severity?
And how did DD Palmer cure Harvey Lillard's deafness? i would love to know how manipulation "fixed" a cranial nerve.
Every day when i analyze a set of x-rays revealing a retrolisthesis, spondylolisthesis, a lateralized atlas or axis,or a posterior occiput, or a posterior- inferior ilium...i along with hundreds of thousands of doctors recognize the subluxation.
It really is very visible and measurable. Come...come to my office jvelos. I feel it strong in you that you see it too. Let "it" lift you out of the prison that medicine built around you. Join us. You will have so much fun and satisfaction as a DC!
So if I slouch I will experience high blood pressure, decreased lung function, and gastrointestinal problems? I guess if I don't sit up straight then I might kill myself. What a load of crap.
You sound like the emperor from star wars..."Join the darkside Skywalker" No thanks.
Come "lift" yourself from the ignorance of subluxation. Join medicine and the real miracle workers.
Hey, hey... I was pantomining "Star Wars" to piss you off...hey, hey.
Remember the 850,000 American dead each year by medicine. Join the Dark Side to kill, or join the Holistics to live? Your choice Aniken, I mean jvelos3
Like I said before medicine treats a lot of emergent and terminal cases. Chiropractic does not. If you did you would have a much higher mortality rate. Lets see you treat a gun shot wound.
Hypertension can be caused by a number of things. Stress and diet are some common ones. Other causes can be cancer, drugs, weight lifting, little cardiovascular exercise, etc. The MD realizes this and that is why he is hesitant in recommending everyone to run to their local chiropractor. They used to say the same thing about sodium and now more recent research attributes high Na diet to only 5% of hypertension cases.
A DC will clear the spine and advize a healthy lifestyle.
Uh, wouldn't you want to prevent cancer like a DC. Or just sit back, abuse your body...get cancer.
Fun fact of the day! Did you know that Almost all DC's refer to the MD, but only 1% of MD's refer to the DC, allowing almost all people to not know about chiropractic and how it will help them in a much safer way than medicine and surgery.
Do you even know how cancer develops? It has nothing to do with subluxation.
Again...show me an MD who wont advise a healthy lifestyle...I have asked you this numerous times already.
And again...learn to interpret statistics. DC's are specialists of the musculoskeletal system. When you are a specialist...expect low referral rates. MD's can specialize in almost anything therefore if something is wrong with you...99% of the time an MD is there that specializes in that field.
How cancer develops? Yes, I teach and advize on the subject.
DC's only are musculoslelatal experts? No, we are everything to everyone.
...something is wrong with you...99% of tthe time an MD...will be there and get it wrong with an incorrect diagnosis due to reliance on drugs and surgery.
Then explain how the nervous system has anything to do with cancer development.
DC's can harvest skin for a burn patient...I did not know that...
No...DC's have a hard time diagnosing. There is yet to be research on SPECIFIC diseases causes by misalignment of SPECIFIC vertebrae. They are always vague...I watched a video of a DC showing an x ray of a back with thoracic misalignment and stating...this will affect the heart, liver, lungs, etc. No specific diagnosis means misdiagnosis.
Harvest skin for a burn patient? We leave that for crisis center. Again, your confused on the topic matter of this discussion.
If the shift in the vertebrae is causing nerve root or adjacent autonomic irritation, then of course the viscera can be affected. Shit, anyone knows that?
You said DC's are everything to everyone...apparently not. My point was that DC's are specialist and cant do everything...medicine as a whole is 100x-1000x broader field than chiropractic therefore it will receive much more referals.
How is it affected that will cause cancer?? This is not how cancer works. Cancer works in the cellular level. NOT at the organ or tissue level. The cause of cancer is when genes responsible for cell growth and division are messed up.
NO. The nervous system is not involved in the development of cancerous cells. Of course cancer can arise from nervous tissue but it does not affect other cells. By asking this repeatedly you are just showing your ignorance. How many times have you asked me this?? 5 times or something.
You should answer this question...How did DD Palmer cure Harvey Lillard's deafness???
"The nervous system is not involved in the development of cancerous cells", are you absolutely positive that this to be absolutely the fact? (clue: I'm giving you a way out before setting you up for your downfall on this subject. Change your answer before I put forth the latest evidence proving the contrary).
Despite what they might have told you in DC school...MD's know the importance of a healthy lifestyle first. Who helps out with research about nutrition, exercise, smoking, carcinogens, etc.? MD's.
I had four MD's, one DPM, One PT, and two ER nurses in my chiropractic class. They were all very cool people by the way.
The DPM invited me to his office for an accupressure session. He was perfectly comfortable to integrate chiro and podiatry with chiro his primary focus. "Chiropody"? This was the actual nomenclature of podiatry before organized medicine got hold of yas?
podiatry/chiropody has always been part of medicine. The father of podiatry was an MD. I believe chiro-pody was just a term referring to the soft tissue care of the feet...I could be wrong tho. The name changed to podiatry...if I recall correctly it was because some felt the term chiropody was etymologically incorrect.
One (out of most probably 500,000) of the MD's that i wanted to refer to as a "Johnny come lately" in health and wellness, well...he's dead!...Craig Weiderman, MD a physiatrist in my community died at 47, 5 ft. 8 and 400 lbs.
Picture this guy dispensing while he picked at on an open bag of potato chips that layed on his desk (true).
ok....this is from your experience and you don't have exact figures and you don't have any data on DC's you refer to. And what does this have to do with medicine?? MD's work 50-60hrs per week, take call a lot...deal with insurance companies daily...lots and lots of stress. Your thinking of the situation is just flawed.
No such word as "chiropracty. A testiment to your deep medical mimicry....
Every chiropractic school contains and supports its own research center, which in turn releases its data to journals. Medics (such as yourself) then go to medical-pharma research journals to look for chiropractic research. a
A bit further...medical-pharma paid lobbyists then go to the govt' to block money earmarked for chiropractic research.
I am a chiropractor, I think it is very funny to watch this MD squirm a bit. You know he's never going to consider us a primary doctor and the thought of me waiting for a MD to refer me a patient makes me laugh out loud. I went to Life, that technique was a required coarse, I know more than a handfull chiro's know how to do it. Give me a break PLEASE. It also would have been great it see a chiro interviewed.
Its causing that man physical pain to suggest that an M.D. send a patient to a D.C. Funny to watch him dance around and finish by suggesting that the Medical profession should be who determines who would make a good chiropractic patient. Like he would know.
Us DC's know how it works but we don't expect the MD to ever figure it out, cause if it doesn't involve drugs and surgery...keep your hand over the DC's mouth so no one knows.
"drugs and surgery"...You need to find a better line when making fun of MDs. find me a cardiologist who does not first tell their patients to lose weight, eat healthy, and exercise. From all your posts you seem to think that the answer to everything is to crack the back. I bet if I came in with labs showing a PSA>30 that you would immediately want to manipulate my coccyx instead of doing a biopsy of my prostate.
Not making fun of MD's when it comes to "drugs and surgery"...this is a fact! It really is folks. Almost every MD will advize the use of either drugs or surgery in 80% of their cases.
Ok, it's time for ...FUN FACTS!
Fun fact of the day is: 75% of MD's surveyd said that if they were diagnosed with cancer they would not undergo chemotherapy!
The amazing thing is almost all cancer patients are advized by the MD to undergo chemotherapy! Chemo will kill you.
ok...i never said anything about chemotherapy. I was talking about a biopsy. and chemo is only one way to treat cancer.
Ultimately the treatment is decided by the patient. And I gaurantee you that all those MD's that say they wont undergo chemo will if they are faced with the decision and its their last hope.
A biopsy is not performed unless there is evidence that there might be cancer. Atleast with a biopsy you will know if cancer exists, what stage it is, where it has spread. Cancer wont just go away...it will spread.
A condition can be treated by treatment A, B, and C. The MD can do and does treatment A and B. They don't work so the MD decides to try treatment C. Treatment C is performed by a DC. Refer to DC.
Prove that chiropractic manipulation works by doing research...then chiropractic will become more accepted.
( 3 )no one should be exempt from going to one even people with mental problems can benefit. What they have is not genetic .look at their posture for pity sakes. Their bodies are all twisted up. The openings where the nerves come out of the spine are very small.
((2) with very light pressure on the upper spine.. This is potentially beneficial for anyone. of any age. This can help all kinds of problems, and even prevent problems from accruing later on in life. Adjustments are very individual in nature and follow up visits are recommended. This is to make sure that proper brain memory is being maintained. The longer the atlas stays in place the longer the time between checkups.
(1) Duff method, NUCCA, atlas orthogonal, Blair, Grostic, HIO, Known as the (hole in one.)And techniques found on upcspine web site. I personally love the Duff method.
Not a chiropractor ,it is an upper cervical specific doctor. Duff method, NUCCA, atlas orthogonal, Blair, Grostic, HIO, Known as the (hole in one.)
. Experience is important. I personally love the Duff method. Dont wait for symptoms, the earlier you have a check up the better .infants can even be adjusted using the thumb
Absolutely correct! They are called upper cervical specific, and each adjustment is very individual. Their scientific instrumentation can determine if an additional adjustment is needed or not. The infrared scanners are very useful like the Tytron models. My upper cervical specific doctor has mastered the art. 707-433-7211.his name is Stephen Duff.
Upper cervical specific doctors are the health care people of the future
Yes, I agree, I see other professions trying to what we do. It is already happening. PT's want to manipulate, M.D.s want to manipulate. DO's already manipulate. The difference is we as DC's adjust. To the untrained eye its no different. But it is. I had the opportunity to work for a PT as a PT assistant for several years prior to chiro school. They were "manipulating" back then, 1989. But beleive me It was not the same. And the results were not the same.
after these studies into the benifits of the chiropractic adjustment will it remain a 'chiropractic adjustment'? i think we will begin to see it taught to other deciplines under new names. VERY SAD! Also Matsiko is dead right. for ages the medical profession has accused cerviacal adjustments to 'cause' stroke, and now it seems that we were decreasing blood preasure, thus decreasing some aspects of stroke.Was the Dr in this video using a Gonsted adjustment?does anyone know what adjustment it is?
Yes, this will remain a Chiropractic adjustment! The technique they are talking about is known as "Toggle" or "Upper Cervical" adjustment which is only taught to chiropractic students and only practiced by chiros! As far as it being taught to other professions, I think not due to the fact it is a technique that takes time to master and is not understood outside the Chiropractic community.
ya but when the benifits of a chiropractic adjustment is proven by scientific research people outsied the profession wil take interest and i believe that one day it is possible that other profession will teach the chiropractic adjustment under a differant name and so the adjustments will wont be differant but the name under which profession use it will be- maybe if MD's began to fully embrace it and started using it....just a thought
No, this was not Gonstead. The difference between Gonstead and upper cervical technique is: a true Gonstead doc(many posers exist) can give a highly specific adjustment to ANY bone in the spine.Most hypertension cases are caused by atlas but not all.And if you adjust an atlas on a patient with HTN caused by L5, you'll make the case worse i.e. higher blood pressure. I've followed up on my HTN cases years after correction...unless another trauma occurs that blood pressure remains normal.
Speaking of posers, I've seen you adjust on your videos. Your adjustments would CAUSE hypertension, and probably stroke you put so much rotation into your atlas adjustments.
"I f any of you haters want to know what scientific literature says about chiropractors go to my channel DrJDavid. Before you try to comment be aware that you may need more than two neurons firing at the same time to comprehend the message.I challenge ANY to defy the truth. Bring it on Mr. P.T.M.D. whatever education you think you have. I 'll eat you guys for lunch. Anybody can have an opinion. Treating opinions as facts is ridiculous. Come check it out.....I DARE YOU"
Funny thing was Dr. Johnson down played the fact that the results lasted at least 8 weeks, like that wasn't good enough. So comparing costs, How much does an adjustment cost, and how much would 2 meds per day for 8 weeks cost? Does anyone know? And how about long term effects of the drugs on someones liver and kidneys, compared to long term effects of adjustments.
Now this is out and it's in the mainstream I can see more studies done with a larger peer group to finally show what we do, actually produces definitive results!
Hopefully this will also open the door for different studies to see the affects on other visceral issues. Ironic isnt it? For years the public has been warned of the risks of chiropractic and stroke, and this study seems to indicate that in fact, chiropractic adjustments may decrease risk for stroke.
Unscientific chiropractic can cause any visceral condition and the vast majority of chiros are unscientific so the warnings are valid. The same thing that corrects a condition will also cause the condition if not properly applied.Set an atlas on 90% of diabetic cases and you'll raise that blood sugar 100points in 10 minutes,I've done it!Ive also dropped blood sugar from 390-199 with one adjustment to a dorsal.Chiropractic is so powerful but it must be properly applied! Few possess what it takes.
"I f any of you haters want to know what scientific literature says about chiropractors go to my channel DrJDavid. Before you try to comment be aware that you may need more than two neurons firing at the same time to comprehend the message.I challenge ANY to defy the truth. Bring it on Mr. P.T.M.D. whatever education you think you have. I 'll eat you guys for lunch. Anybody can have an opinion. Treating opinions as facts is ridiculous. Come check it out.....I DARE YOU"
The old misaligned Atlas gag. I love it! Don't tell the Homeopaths. They'll want some of the action, too!
Did y'all hear about the Homeopath who forgot to take his medicine and died of
an overdose?
:)
TheBackQuack 11 months ago
@TheBackQuack Someone's jealous of chiropractic...probably a pharma-rep down in his/hers numbers? Chiropractic Does it Again!
chiropractic47 10 months ago
I love the comment "how long does it last" 8 weeks and still good, how long does a Blood pressure drug last is there one drug that you take once and is good for 8 weeks and what is the side effects of a drug? That medical commentator how ignorant..., the side effects of a Chiropractic Adjustment is restoration of normal function ... I will take normal function over chemically induced system change anyday... CHIROPRACTIC ROCKS!!!!!
johnbchiro 11 months ago 2
@johnbchiro LOL! I thought the same..."A medical man trying to comprehend then discuss chiropractic in medical terms". ADIO! Chiropractic Does it Again!
chiropractic47 10 months ago
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kobidobidog 1 year ago
Go now, and be evaluated by an upper cervical "specific" upcspine practitioners because if humans waits to long a chronic condition will develop.
kobidobidog 1 year ago
What humans do not realize is that the beginnings of these problems can begin with birth shifting the atlas from being in the orthoganol position,and since humans are still conditioned to wait for symptoms will not benefit as much, and prevent problems if going to get checked only when they have a problem that is obvious. Be checked a soon as you canm and as young as you can even when you think you feel fine, but an imbalance can still be present. Correct it before a lot of damage occurs.
kobidobidog 1 year ago
hey im 18 and ive been having problems with my neck& body for almost a year now.. :/ does anyone know the type of technique the chiropractic in this video uses? specifically named please, thanks
onemanthrash 1 year ago
It is called NUCCA. Atlas Orthogonal is another good technique that I use. A simple Google search of either one should bring up a doctor somewhere near where you live.
BCCButters711 1 year ago
@BCCButters711 Found someone who is educated bravo!
kobidobidog 1 year ago
LOL! "How long does it last?"...the news correspondant asks...It lasts as long as you maintain your spines proper spinal mechanics!! You go CHIROPRACTIC!!!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 tell everyone it is called (upper cervical specific). I am an upper cervical advocate.
kobidobidog 1 year ago
@kobidobidog Right you are. There are several chiropractic "upper cervical specific" adjustive techniques, i.e. Toggle Recoil, Atlas Orthogonal, HIO (Hole In One), NUCCA ( National Upper Cervical Chiropractic Association), etc. They all address the relationship between the occiput-atlas-axis. If I choose to adjust "Full Spine", I always analyze for an upper cervical subluxation complex. Otherwise, upper cervical specific anlysis and correction is first in order. ADIO!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 I talk about all of those technique names. it is to relieve irritation to the brain stem, and the medulla oblongata too, that helps the brain to communicate to the body more efficiently to prevent, and relieve many problems. Do you know of the Duff method?it is taught at Sherman Collage.You must know of the base posterior, A-P open mouth,and nasium x rays.
kobidobidog 1 year ago
@kobidobidog I'm not familiar with the Duff Method. All my patients recieve an open mouth, vertex, and lateral cervical view x-rays.
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 My upper cervical specific only care doctor Stephen Duff uses it. his father created the technique ,it is taught at Sherman collage. it is a great way of measuring for temperature differential technique interpretation of the graph of a Tytron infrared scanner telling when to adjust ,and when not to adjust, and Duff Method is also used to determine the center of the foreman magnum.
kobidobidog 1 year ago
@kobidobidog The device you describe that measures temperature differential is called a neurocalometer. It's primary purpose is assist on when to adjust. Sometimes I use an infrared temperature scanner/meter. Awesome that you utilize a chiropractic upper cervical specific doctor. Keep spreading the chiropractic message. Everyone needs chiropractic!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
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kobidobidog 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 I have been spreading the need for this care for all ages, and to not wait for symptoms because if they do damage has already occurred to the spinal disks. Spine is supposed to float on those disks, and if excessive wear occurs this floating does not occur as freely as it should. The sooner one is evaluated from birth on up is important. Name to use is upper cervical specific. Chiropractor can refer to full spine or diversified chiropractor which no one should use.
kobidobidog 1 year ago
@kobidobidog Way to go...Go Chiropractic!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
It's so friggin amazing that the health claims that chiropractic doctors made and have affected over the past 125 years, that medicine tried so hard to "quash", are finally seeing the light of day in the scientific research world? I love it!! CHIROPRACTIC!!!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
All doctors of chiropractic (DC) are trained in upper cervical techniques. It just happens NUCCA was utilized for this study. CHIROPRACTIC!!!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
since this was aired, what has changed? nothing. with the amount of money big pharma spends for advertising, i'm shocked it was aired in the first place. anyway, no damage done. just a momentary glitch. a little of the truth got out for a second, but no significant after effects. people still sick, profits unaffected. life is good.
hiodr 2 years ago
hiodr, it is both sad and a tradegy that the miracle of chiropractic spinal adjustments are hidden from the world. One at a time....
chiropractic47 1 year ago
what defines evil? certainly willful ignorance, but especially knowingly doing things that hurt people under the guise of pretending to help, motivated by greed and pride? if so, isn't this commonplace in much of what we call our "health care " system?
hiodr 1 year ago
hiodr, I agee and I'm a witness to medicines and pharmas onslaught 6 days a week. CHIROPRACTIC!!!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
LOL! Listening to the news stations medical correspondant makes me both hurl and laugh! "Well, "we" dont' know how exactly it works to lower blood pressure. Of course! You don't ask a medical doctor to answer a chiropractic question! LOL!! Everyone needs to be examined and worked on by a chiropractic doctor! Avoid medicine's "If it aint broke don't fix it" and "You don't have symptoms" mentality. Everyone needs chiropractic care!
chiropractic47 2 years ago
I love how all these comments make all these claims and provide no proof.
I also love how a lot of these commenters think that this video somehow scientifically proves that chiropractic adjustments work.
I've actually read (unlike many others) the study that they are referencing in this video. Here is the reference Barkis G. et al. "Atlas vertebra realignment and achievement of arterial pressure goal in hypertensive patients: a pilot study." Journal of Human Hypertension (2007), 1-6.
slants1507 2 years ago
If you actually read this study you can see that it is far from PROOF. That is if you know anything about science. Also note that the authors are mostly MDs. Why is that?
slants1507 2 years ago
You'r not satisfied with MD's conducting a study revealing that upper cervical adjustments can lower high blood pressure? What gives?
chiropractic47 2 years ago
Do you actually believe everything another DC or MD tells you? Do you take it for face value? From your comments I think you do.
Read the study yourself. Take a hard look at the facts. Be critical of the data and then make an opinion. Or is that too hard?
slants1507 2 years ago
Love Science? I love science you shmoolie! I'm happy MD's are the authors of the study! Yea Ha! And slants1507 recieves another facial!
chiropractic47 2 years ago
You found the study referencing the study of chiropractic lowers blood pressure, you saw and heard the MD on this video who conducted a study showing chiropractic upper cervical adjustments lower blood pressure...so what gives?
chiropractic47 2 years ago
Do you know what "a pilot study" means? Does only ONE study give anything scientific credit to be called PROOF? Did you actually read the study? I did. Do you know how to read scientific studies? From your comments I have a hard time believing you understand the what's even going on in this video.
slants1507 2 years ago
Why do she interview a medical doctor about chiropractic care? Of course he has no idea how or what the chiropractor is doing, he's an MD
Brilliant!
drthip 2 years ago
Funny that you say that, because a majority of the authors of the referenced study in this video are actually MDs
slants1507 2 years ago
"...majority of the authors of the referenced study...are actually MD's" GREAT! It's about time MD's woke up and achnowledged chiropractic. DC's have their research panel with MD's and PhD's. Let's see some more medical studies with DC's on board. Ye ha! Facial!
chiropractic47 2 years ago
The MD conducted the study. The TV commentator also interviewed the DC. You go chiropractic!
chiropractic47 2 years ago
it works becase its natural now get it through your head
cooldomo 2 years ago
that's amazing. Pretty amazing to think how all body parts are connected and everyone is important for how your body works. I felt my neck and this is my first time to watch. It was funny because I was feeling it about the same time she said people at home were feeling their necks.
fluterific00 2 years ago
The best will be when medicine attempts to steal this technique and claim it as their own. Friggin drug dealers
jwest0 2 years ago
The authors of the referenced study in this video are mostly MDs. MDs working with DCs are providing this scientific evidence.
Amazing that you can make a comment like that. Have you even read the study? Do you know how to use Google and how to read scientific papers? Just curious. Because from this comment it sure doesn't seem like it.
slants1507 2 years ago
We all must work together. DC's must teach MD's to refer to DC's more often as a means of providing a safer and effective solution, one that addresses the underlying cause.
chiropractic47 2 years ago
MD's would refer to DC's on what scientific basis?
slants1507 2 years ago
"on what scientific basis?" On the scientific basis that only 15% of medicine is scientifically valid and hasn't helped as well as chiropractic. Nuff said!
chiropractic47 2 years ago
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I am pleased to report that since using Levodyn, my blood pressure has lowered to the good range. This is the only thing that I have done differently recently so the credit is due to this natural product. My doctor has noticed the improvement after I told him about taking this supplement, but he didn't seem to want to discuss this.
litebug12345 2 years ago
How did dd palmer cure harvey lillard's deafness??
jvelos3 2 years ago 2
Shit jvelos3...look at the shit that comes out of her trap?!
It was ugly!..she probably is ugly...like someone took an ugly stick to her!
chiropractic47 2 years ago
see folks...when people run out of BS...they start making fun of people.
jvelos3 2 years ago
Be wary of these NUCCA chiropractors. The Univ of Chicago study indicated Dr. Dickholtz only adjusted the patients one time. I found a NUCCA dr. and he took xrays and scans & said he could help. He told me he wasn't like a regular chiro. Second time I went back, he gave me the sales pitch it would take a year to fix & cost me $365/mo. or $4100 if I paid upfront! When I said I couldn't afford, he said business isn't hurting me! Needless to say, I didn't go back!
culturelady 2 years ago
Culturelady, leave this post to tend to your tacos pungent culture. You don't have a clue.
chiropractic47 2 years ago
I really, really want someone to explain to me how DD Palmer cured Harvey Lillard of deafness. Everybody either ignores the question or posts some personal attack. Comeon guys, if you chiros really knew your stuff you should be able to answer this in a couple of seconds.
cowy1 2 years ago
Ok, will do. You know it all big guy.
highvelocity123 2 years ago
Ok i got a little heated there. That last post was pretty harsh...sorry about that. No need for those types of attacks.
jvelos3 2 years ago
A cardiologist will always recommend easting healthy and exercise...hahahahahahha... So will my parents!!!!!!!!!! And I do know what going on, that why we take MRI's and X-rays... You have an agenda against chiropractor's. You must, because you are ignoring that fact that we are helping people. Or they would never come back... Wow you are ignorant. Dude just don't go to one, LET IT GO...!!!! Really!! Seriously!!
highvelocity123 2 years ago
You are the ignorant one. DC's always say that MD's dont understand the importance of a healthy lifestyle...what I am saying is that they do and this thinking is not unique to chiropractic. And whats the point of taking MRI's and X rays...if manipulation is so safe then just manipulate the hell out of a patient...save their body from unnecessary cancer causing x rays. You seem to not care about reason so just crack backs and leave the real healing to others that understand science and medicine
jvelos3 2 years ago
jvelos, i think you owe highvelocity123 an opology. come on big guy, look at what you wrote?
now come on, take the high road, opologize.
chiropractic47 2 years ago
And jvelos3 look at this video again, he did get results that are undeniable. And that's what it's all about, getting results. So don't call it subluxation, call it something else, I don't care as long as it works. I get results or I wouldn't still be in business. 70% of low back sugeries fail, do me, and everyone else a favor, and go have one to prove us wrong. lol dumb ass.
highvelocity123 2 years ago
So you are manipulating without knowing exactly what is going on?? that is just dumb.
How many manipulations fail? how many people go in for a manipulation for something that will just go away on its own? 75% of acute back pain goes away within 3 weeks...
what do you guys do in DC school then...sounds like something someone can learn in 1 year...cracking backs without understanding the science behind it...
jvelos3 2 years ago
Shit jvelos3! Of course when we adjust we know whats going on!...while you don't.
yes, one year for technique, three years to lear when- what- why.
jvelos3, we sense your interest in a career in chiropractic...be a DC. join us!
What will go away on its own? The pain? or the subluxated vertebral motor units? what was the cause of pain (crux)? majority of the time the body is amazing in consolidating inflammation and correcting subluxations. the DC gives a helping hand.
chiropractic47 2 years ago
I'm going into podiatry...really interested in diabetic foot wound care. thanks anyways.
I know there are many things you DC's do and it does help...among other things minor missalignment and back pain...but based on my current knowledge of the human body I will have to say that I do not agree with the chiropractic theory of subluxation.
jvelos3 2 years ago
MD's don't really help out with nutrition persay, they encourage it but that's really about it. As far as smoking, a lot of MD's smoke...LOL I say if you don't believe in the subluxation complex, that's fine. Who cares? I look at it from the aspect of maintaining good spinal health long term. I REALLY think you have an issue with subluxation which was thought up 100 years ago. Really, who gives a shit.
highvelocity123 2 years ago
and im guessing no DC's smoke? and i suppose no priests lie, cheat, steal either...
Who cares if MDs dont help out with nutrition directly...they still believe in it and a cardiologist will always recommend eating healthy, exercise and lose weight to their patients.
jvelos3 2 years ago
jvelos, I am formally offering you a complimentary office visit to my office. exam, x-rays, and spinal adjustment (if needed) is included.
What do you say? This could be the genesis of something beautiful for you wether it be health, information, or a career?
chiropractic47 2 years ago
i am always up for new experiences...but I must say now that I will not get my neck adjusted. Where is your practice located?
jvelos3 2 years ago
What, "I'll try an adjustment but don't touch my neck" Everyday children run down my hall and jump on the table. Now a grown man says he may try chiropractic but don't touch his neck?
jvelos3, a little too much estrogen?
chiropractic47 2 years ago
back to making fun huh. very mature dr. chiropractic
jvelos3 2 years ago
It would be impossible for anyone to not "Making fun" and risk not being "mature" after reading the garbage you and I spew.
Go back and reread our exchanges. Some intelligent..., some...well...not so bright....
Since it seems we won't agree on most issues, and both have shot across each others bow...what do you say we have a little fun while we retort to each others contentions?
chiropractic47 2 years ago
jvelos, I read the study, and leaves a lot to be answered. But really the amount of weight exerted is a fracion what our LIVING bodies go through every day. Think about the force that starts at our feet and travels up. 1000's of pounds. You have a lot to learn yet. Also degeneration of the spine and it ability maintain itself. Look into low back problems. It's scary man, very scary. Look into low back surgery, and bad sucess rates. VERY SCARY. Keep educating yourself man.
highvelocity123 2 years ago
I can see the contributions chiropractic can offer for lower back pain and degeneration but the subluxation theory is something that is still unproven. Physically it is almost impossible. Remember that the nerves to and from the spinal cord lead through canals within the vertebrae itself...not in between vertebrae. In order to pinch these nerves you would need to actually distort the vertebrae itself. can you answer for me the exact amount of spinal deviation for subluxation?
jvelos3 2 years ago
no exact measurements constitute a subluxation. how much drug needed to shut off receptors involved in a headache?
Most MD's have no idea of how a drug works, all its contraindications, and toxicity.
chiropractic47 2 years ago
There has to be...if it exists then it must be measurable.
I dont personally know but there are guidelines to dosage of pain killers.
Actually most do know the mechanism of how different drugs work, toxicity, etc. Now I am not saying they know it to a T...there are a lot of drugs out there...but if you ever get prescribed something ask the prescribing physician anything you want...if you want a more detailed/accurate answer then ask the pharmacist...these guys for sure will know them.
jvelos3 2 years ago
@jvelos3 If the atlas has shifted lateral three quarters of degree relative to the skull that constitutes a subluxation. Anything less causes no neurological insult and is not a subluxation.
jams502 1 year ago
jvelos,,there was a government study performed and it stated that the weight of a dime on a nerve reduced it's flow by 20%. Look into that goverment study.
highvelocity123 2 years ago
I found some research which basically said that because of the structure of human/mammalian spines...subluxation as chiropractors explain it is not possible. The structures of our vertebrae make it impossible to "pinch" nerves. Search "A Scientific Test of Chiropractic's Subluxation Theory" on google...it is by Edmund S. Crelin, Ph.D.
jvelos3 2 years ago
This is not from drug companies...this is from insurance companies. It is to save money the insurance company money. This doesn't even deal with prescribing NEW drugs.
jvelos3 2 years ago
yeh, the pharma companies are really the good guys right dope?
chiropractic47 2 years ago
where did I ever mention the drug companies??? I said the drug companies are not the ones that pay the MDs to prescribe generics...
jvelos3 2 years ago
They need more data...Hmmmm. Well chiropractic has been around for over a hundred years. I think someone needs to wake the fuck up. WTF even know this interview was postive, it still pissed me off. "Only a Hand full of chiro's can do this technique" What absolute BULLSHIT.
highvelocity123 2 years ago
I got a question. Is there a chiropractic equivalent of WebMD where I can look up my symptoms and figure out where my spine is misaligned and the proper technique used to correct it? Like a diagnosis handbook.
jvelos3 2 years ago
Just go get a consoultation, or several. Chiropractic is a simple, sound theory, but you need to find Chiro who you feel comfortable with, like any other Doctor.
highvelocity123 2 years ago
How am I supposed to scrutinize the doc? How do I know they are doing the right thing? Going to several consultations would just be a hassle. There has to be some sort of literature on diagnosis and treatment for chiropractors.
jvelos3 2 years ago
Correct! All chiros are taught upper cervical techniques. There either was a misunderstanding or a conspiracy to contain the truth.
chiropractic47 2 years ago
I think it's getting to be malpractice for an MD not refer to a chiropractor simple because it is a viable option that brings relief, and if an MD doesn't at least make mention of it, he should be held liable.
highvelocity123 2 years ago
Ditto!
chiropractic47 2 years ago
I believe that as an MD he would be hard pressed to say anything positive without resevations, afterall this is his livilyhood as well. Primary care docs are no great shake for much of anything, except a referal to a specialist, which they won't give to a chiropractor. Why?? Because they really don't know about anything we do. It's really that simple. And most people are scared of things they don't know about or understand ,and then they slander them.
highvelocity123 2 years ago
This is why DC's must do more research. Correct me if I'm wrong but I have yet to see a DC/PhD. Do research and acceptance will come.
jvelos3 2 years ago
Again, there is and continues to be supportive research for the DC. There are DC PhD's. Due to the ever increasing popularity of the DC, chiropractic is now in the position to ignore "...acceptance will come" from the medical field.
I see 500 pv/week, I am the "hub" (head honcho) doctor of my community. Several medics rely on me accepting them. Though i refer to them and vice versa, I don't care wether they approve of me or not.
chiropractic47 2 years ago
Your patient volume has nothing to do with research. And you are 1 in a 1000. DC's have the highest default rate out of any healthcare profession...by a long shot...so it is not that accepted.
jvelos3 2 years ago
Thanks to the medical and pharmaceutical world the DC has been suppressed, now the tide has changed shmuck.
chiropractic47 2 years ago
back to making fun because you having nothing intelligent to say huh...
The lack of research is whats keeping DCs back. You make manipulation seem like the key to the fountain of youth...if this is so then produce research and everyone will flock to chiropractic.
jvelos3 2 years ago
Sorry for being a little hard on you. Your like a broken record....no research?
We are waiting for you to get it off the internet. It's there my man! keyword chiropractic research journals.
Come back and we all can discuss so many primary health care subjects that involve chiropractic. It'll be fun.
chiropractic47 2 years ago
show me the research specifically dealing with subluxation. I never said chiropractic has nothing to offer...I mentioned that you guys are musculoskeletal experts...but subluxation is something unique to chiropractic. I have yet to see this theory proven.
jvelos3 2 years ago
Chiropractic continues to grow at a rate that alarms Big-Medicine and Pharma.
Though the spinal adjustment is not a cure all, it either directly or indirectly addresses a plethora of maladies that have the nervous system as an operator.
chiropractic47 2 years ago
Chiropractic is the least of medicine's worries.
Can you explain all the direct and indirect mechanisms? Tell me...what is the minimum amount of spinal missalignment in order to classify it as subluxation? can you guarantee that if patient A and B both have a spinal deviation of 5degrees in the same exact area that they will experience the same symptoms with the same severity?
And how did DD Palmer cure Harvey Lillard's deafness? i would love to know how manipulation "fixed" a cranial nerve.
jvelos3 2 years ago
You haven't even begun to look for DC PhD's and their research.
What are you waiting for?
chiropractic47 2 years ago
for you to produce something that proves subluxation.
jvelos3 2 years ago
Every day when i analyze a set of x-rays revealing a retrolisthesis, spondylolisthesis, a lateralized atlas or axis,or a posterior occiput, or a posterior- inferior ilium...i along with hundreds of thousands of doctors recognize the subluxation.
It really is very visible and measurable. Come...come to my office jvelos. I feel it strong in you that you see it too. Let "it" lift you out of the prison that medicine built around you. Join us. You will have so much fun and satisfaction as a DC!
chiropractic47 2 years ago
So if I slouch I will experience high blood pressure, decreased lung function, and gastrointestinal problems? I guess if I don't sit up straight then I might kill myself. What a load of crap.
You sound like the emperor from star wars..."Join the darkside Skywalker" No thanks.
Come "lift" yourself from the ignorance of subluxation. Join medicine and the real miracle workers.
jvelos3 2 years ago
Hey, hey... I was pantomining "Star Wars" to piss you off...hey, hey.
Remember the 850,000 American dead each year by medicine. Join the Dark Side to kill, or join the Holistics to live? Your choice Aniken, I mean jvelos3
chiropractic47 2 years ago
Like I said before medicine treats a lot of emergent and terminal cases. Chiropractic does not. If you did you would have a much higher mortality rate. Lets see you treat a gun shot wound.
jvelos3 2 years ago
medicine works=less profit for DC's=must be attacked
Look...I can do the same thing you did.
jvelos3 2 years ago
Wrong! When you put it the other way you left out... Medicine works to make more profit on drugs that KILL!
chiropractic47 2 years ago
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jvelos3 2 years ago
WRONG MD's are NOT paid by the amount of drugs they prescribe. They are paid by diagnosing and procedures.
jvelos3 2 years ago
Hypertension can be caused by a number of things. Stress and diet are some common ones. Other causes can be cancer, drugs, weight lifting, little cardiovascular exercise, etc. The MD realizes this and that is why he is hesitant in recommending everyone to run to their local chiropractor. They used to say the same thing about sodium and now more recent research attributes high Na diet to only 5% of hypertension cases.
jvelos3 2 years ago
A DC will clear the spine and advize a healthy lifestyle.
Uh, wouldn't you want to prevent cancer like a DC. Or just sit back, abuse your body...get cancer.
Fun fact of the day! Did you know that Almost all DC's refer to the MD, but only 1% of MD's refer to the DC, allowing almost all people to not know about chiropractic and how it will help them in a much safer way than medicine and surgery.
chiropractic47 2 years ago
Do you even know how cancer develops? It has nothing to do with subluxation.
Again...show me an MD who wont advise a healthy lifestyle...I have asked you this numerous times already.
And again...learn to interpret statistics. DC's are specialists of the musculoskeletal system. When you are a specialist...expect low referral rates. MD's can specialize in almost anything therefore if something is wrong with you...99% of the time an MD is there that specializes in that field.
jvelos3 2 years ago
How cancer develops? Yes, I teach and advize on the subject.
DC's only are musculoslelatal experts? No, we are everything to everyone.
...something is wrong with you...99% of tthe time an MD...will be there and get it wrong with an incorrect diagnosis due to reliance on drugs and surgery.
chiropractic47 2 years ago
Then explain how the nervous system has anything to do with cancer development.
DC's can harvest skin for a burn patient...I did not know that...
No...DC's have a hard time diagnosing. There is yet to be research on SPECIFIC diseases causes by misalignment of SPECIFIC vertebrae. They are always vague...I watched a video of a DC showing an x ray of a back with thoracic misalignment and stating...this will affect the heart, liver, lungs, etc. No specific diagnosis means misdiagnosis.
jvelos3 2 years ago
Harvest skin for a burn patient? We leave that for crisis center. Again, your confused on the topic matter of this discussion.
If the shift in the vertebrae is causing nerve root or adjacent autonomic irritation, then of course the viscera can be affected. Shit, anyone knows that?
chiropractic47 2 years ago
You said DC's are everything to everyone...apparently not. My point was that DC's are specialist and cant do everything...medicine as a whole is 100x-1000x broader field than chiropractic therefore it will receive much more referals.
How is it affected that will cause cancer?? This is not how cancer works. Cancer works in the cellular level. NOT at the organ or tissue level. The cause of cancer is when genes responsible for cell growth and division are messed up.
jvelos3 2 years ago
What messes up the genes midnight drug rider? Yea, now ya gonna get it? or ya slow?
chiropractic47 2 years ago
Aging in general, x rays, uv rays, mistakes in dna replication. Nothing to do with the nervous system.
jvelos3 2 years ago
So you want us to accept that the nervous sysytem isn't the primary director?
chiropractic47 2 years ago
explain to me how exactly the nervous system can cause cancer in specific cells of the body? Not in laymans terms...please go into detail.
jvelos3 2 years ago
The nervous system has nothing to do with cancer?
Are you that sure?
chiropractic47 2 years ago
I am sure.
Are you sure it does?
jvelos3 2 years ago
Once more (while hundreds of thousands read what you write)...is the nervous system involved in any processes involving cancerous cells?
chiropractic47 2 years ago
NO. The nervous system is not involved in the development of cancerous cells. Of course cancer can arise from nervous tissue but it does not affect other cells. By asking this repeatedly you are just showing your ignorance. How many times have you asked me this?? 5 times or something.
You should answer this question...How did DD Palmer cure Harvey Lillard's deafness???
jvelos3 2 years ago
"The nervous system is not involved in the development of cancerous cells", are you absolutely positive that this to be absolutely the fact? (clue: I'm giving you a way out before setting you up for your downfall on this subject. Change your answer before I put forth the latest evidence proving the contrary).
chiropractic47 2 years ago
Go ahead.
While youre at it...Let us know how DD Palmer cured Harvey Lillard's deafness.
jvelos3 2 years ago
I asked you to show me an MD who wont advise a healthy lifestyle and you haven't....why dont you stop dodging this question.
jvelos3 2 years ago
Putz...I told you...look around you...there (MD) all around you....
chiropractic47 2 years ago
I have and have not found any so you are wrong
jvelos3 2 years ago
You mean to say that with 800,000 MD's in the U.S. you haven't found a drug pushing lack of lifestyle counseling MD?
Come on!
chiropractic47 2 years ago
Despite what they might have told you in DC school...MD's know the importance of a healthy lifestyle first. Who helps out with research about nutrition, exercise, smoking, carcinogens, etc.? MD's.
jvelos3 2 years ago
Just find an MD who is 5 ft 9, 250 lbs., dead or dying. Now that can't be too hard?
chiropractic47 2 years ago
Actually theres a DC on youtube who looks about 250lb and maybe 5ft 10in....maybe he's an MD secretly posing as a DC.
jvelos3 2 years ago
I had four MD's, one DPM, One PT, and two ER nurses in my chiropractic class. They were all very cool people by the way.
The DPM invited me to his office for an accupressure session. He was perfectly comfortable to integrate chiro and podiatry with chiro his primary focus. "Chiropody"? This was the actual nomenclature of podiatry before organized medicine got hold of yas?
Join us!
chiropractic47 2 years ago
podiatry/chiropody has always been part of medicine. The father of podiatry was an MD. I believe chiro-pody was just a term referring to the soft tissue care of the feet...I could be wrong tho. The name changed to podiatry...if I recall correctly it was because some felt the term chiropody was etymologically incorrect.
jvelos3 2 years ago
One (out of most probably 500,000) of the MD's that i wanted to refer to as a "Johnny come lately" in health and wellness, well...he's dead!...Craig Weiderman, MD a physiatrist in my community died at 47, 5 ft. 8 and 400 lbs.
Picture this guy dispensing while he picked at on an open bag of potato chips that layed on his desk (true).
chiropractic47 2 years ago
ok....this is from your experience and you don't have exact figures and you don't have any data on DC's you refer to. And what does this have to do with medicine?? MD's work 50-60hrs per week, take call a lot...deal with insurance companies daily...lots and lots of stress. Your thinking of the situation is just flawed.
jvelos3 2 years ago
I work six days a week @ 60 hrs/week
I developed a healthy lifestyle incoporating my work schedule.
Data not needed when visuals and testimonials are available.
chiropractic47 2 years ago
Theres a DC on youtube...I dont remember his name but he looks about 5ft10in and around 250lbs.
jvelos3 2 years ago
No, data is always needed and is always superior to visuals and testimonials.
Is this indicative of the research/education put out by chiropracty schools?
cowy1 2 years ago
No such word as "chiropracty. A testiment to your deep medical mimicry....
Every chiropractic school contains and supports its own research center, which in turn releases its data to journals. Medics (such as yourself) then go to medical-pharma research journals to look for chiropractic research. a
A bit further...medical-pharma paid lobbyists then go to the govt' to block money earmarked for chiropractic research.
Now you see how scumy medi-pharma is?
chiropractic47 2 years ago
what happened to replying to my posts???
jvelos3 2 years ago
I am a chiropractor, I think it is very funny to watch this MD squirm a bit. You know he's never going to consider us a primary doctor and the thought of me waiting for a MD to refer me a patient makes me laugh out loud. I went to Life, that technique was a required coarse, I know more than a handfull chiro's know how to do it. Give me a break PLEASE. It also would have been great it see a chiro interviewed.
highvelocity123 2 years ago
Agree
chiropractic47 2 years ago
Horseshit!
bolexdude 2 years ago
i am getting good results from Levodyn, i am feeling great and i am having good blood pressure since i started taking it.
happilylil 2 years ago
What is the underlying cause of your hypertension and what is the toxicity levodyn is exacting on your liver, kidneys, etc.?
chiropractic47 2 years ago
Its causing that man physical pain to suggest that an M.D. send a patient to a D.C. Funny to watch him dance around and finish by suggesting that the Medical profession should be who determines who would make a good chiropractic patient. Like he would know.
jwest0 2 years ago
"We don't exactly know why this works" LOL!
Us DC's know how it works but we don't expect the MD to ever figure it out, cause if it doesn't involve drugs and surgery...keep your hand over the DC's mouth so no one knows.
chiropractic47 2 years ago
"drugs and surgery"...You need to find a better line when making fun of MDs. find me a cardiologist who does not first tell their patients to lose weight, eat healthy, and exercise. From all your posts you seem to think that the answer to everything is to crack the back. I bet if I came in with labs showing a PSA>30 that you would immediately want to manipulate my coccyx instead of doing a biopsy of my prostate.
jvelos3 2 years ago
Not making fun of MD's when it comes to "drugs and surgery"...this is a fact! It really is folks. Almost every MD will advize the use of either drugs or surgery in 80% of their cases.
Ok, it's time for ...FUN FACTS!
Fun fact of the day is: 75% of MD's surveyd said that if they were diagnosed with cancer they would not undergo chemotherapy!
The amazing thing is almost all cancer patients are advized by the MD to undergo chemotherapy! Chemo will kill you.
chiropractic47 2 years ago
ok...i never said anything about chemotherapy. I was talking about a biopsy. and chemo is only one way to treat cancer.
Ultimately the treatment is decided by the patient. And I gaurantee you that all those MD's that say they wont undergo chemo will if they are faced with the decision and its their last hope.
jvelos3 2 years ago
studies have shown biopsies the number one reason cancer spreads following medical intervention.
chiropractic47 2 years ago
A biopsy is not performed unless there is evidence that there might be cancer. Atleast with a biopsy you will know if cancer exists, what stage it is, where it has spread. Cancer wont just go away...it will spread.
jvelos3 2 years ago
Heres an example of how an MD can know...
A condition can be treated by treatment A, B, and C. The MD can do and does treatment A and B. They don't work so the MD decides to try treatment C. Treatment C is performed by a DC. Refer to DC.
Prove that chiropractic manipulation works by doing research...then chiropractic will become more accepted.
jvelos3 2 years ago
You made no sense. Did anyone else catch this?
Try again to explain your position.
chiropractic47 2 years ago
its pretty simple
jvelos3 2 years ago
( 3 )no one should be exempt from going to one even people with mental problems can benefit. What they have is not genetic .look at their posture for pity sakes. Their bodies are all twisted up. The openings where the nerves come out of the spine are very small.
kobidobidog 3 years ago
((2) with very light pressure on the upper spine.. This is potentially beneficial for anyone. of any age. This can help all kinds of problems, and even prevent problems from accruing later on in life. Adjustments are very individual in nature and follow up visits are recommended. This is to make sure that proper brain memory is being maintained. The longer the atlas stays in place the longer the time between checkups.
kobidobidog 3 years ago
(1) Duff method, NUCCA, atlas orthogonal, Blair, Grostic, HIO, Known as the (hole in one.)And techniques found on upcspine web site. I personally love the Duff method.
Not a chiropractor ,it is an upper cervical specific doctor. Duff method, NUCCA, atlas orthogonal, Blair, Grostic, HIO, Known as the (hole in one.)
. Experience is important. I personally love the Duff method. Dont wait for symptoms, the earlier you have a check up the better .infants can even be adjusted using the thumb
kobidobidog 3 years ago
Absolutely correct! They are called upper cervical specific, and each adjustment is very individual. Their scientific instrumentation can determine if an additional adjustment is needed or not. The infrared scanners are very useful like the Tytron models. My upper cervical specific doctor has mastered the art. 707-433-7211.his name is Stephen Duff.
Upper cervical specific doctors are the health care people of the future
kobidobidog 3 years ago
Yes, I agree, I see other professions trying to what we do. It is already happening. PT's want to manipulate, M.D.s want to manipulate. DO's already manipulate. The difference is we as DC's adjust. To the untrained eye its no different. But it is. I had the opportunity to work for a PT as a PT assistant for several years prior to chiro school. They were "manipulating" back then, 1989. But beleive me It was not the same. And the results were not the same.
matski0369 3 years ago
after these studies into the benifits of the chiropractic adjustment will it remain a 'chiropractic adjustment'? i think we will begin to see it taught to other deciplines under new names. VERY SAD! Also Matsiko is dead right. for ages the medical profession has accused cerviacal adjustments to 'cause' stroke, and now it seems that we were decreasing blood preasure, thus decreasing some aspects of stroke.Was the Dr in this video using a Gonsted adjustment?does anyone know what adjustment it is?
nigs08 3 years ago
Yes, this will remain a Chiropractic adjustment! The technique they are talking about is known as "Toggle" or "Upper Cervical" adjustment which is only taught to chiropractic students and only practiced by chiros! As far as it being taught to other professions, I think not due to the fact it is a technique that takes time to master and is not understood outside the Chiropractic community.
SltwaterCowboy 3 years ago
ya but when the benifits of a chiropractic adjustment is proven by scientific research people outsied the profession wil take interest and i believe that one day it is possible that other profession will teach the chiropractic adjustment under a differant name and so the adjustments will wont be differant but the name under which profession use it will be- maybe if MD's began to fully embrace it and started using it....just a thought
nigs08 3 years ago
Actually the adjustment is NUCCA.
azndc923 3 years ago
No, this was not Gonstead. The difference between Gonstead and upper cervical technique is: a true Gonstead doc(many posers exist) can give a highly specific adjustment to ANY bone in the spine.Most hypertension cases are caused by atlas but not all.And if you adjust an atlas on a patient with HTN caused by L5, you'll make the case worse i.e. higher blood pressure. I've followed up on my HTN cases years after correction...unless another trauma occurs that blood pressure remains normal.
dempstead 3 years ago
The posers are full spine chiropractors
kobidobidog 3 years ago
Speaking of posers, I've seen you adjust on your videos. Your adjustments would CAUSE hypertension, and probably stroke you put so much rotation into your atlas adjustments.
dbc1dc 3 years ago
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DrJDavid 2 years ago
Funny thing was Dr. Johnson down played the fact that the results lasted at least 8 weeks, like that wasn't good enough. So comparing costs, How much does an adjustment cost, and how much would 2 meds per day for 8 weeks cost? Does anyone know? And how about long term effects of the drugs on someones liver and kidneys, compared to long term effects of adjustments.
matski0369 3 years ago
Now this is out and it's in the mainstream I can see more studies done with a larger peer group to finally show what we do, actually produces definitive results!
SltwaterCowboy 3 years ago
Hopefully this will also open the door for different studies to see the affects on other visceral issues. Ironic isnt it? For years the public has been warned of the risks of chiropractic and stroke, and this study seems to indicate that in fact, chiropractic adjustments may decrease risk for stroke.
matski0369 3 years ago
Unscientific chiropractic can cause any visceral condition and the vast majority of chiros are unscientific so the warnings are valid. The same thing that corrects a condition will also cause the condition if not properly applied.Set an atlas on 90% of diabetic cases and you'll raise that blood sugar 100points in 10 minutes,I've done it!Ive also dropped blood sugar from 390-199 with one adjustment to a dorsal.Chiropractic is so powerful but it must be properly applied! Few possess what it takes.
dempstead 3 years ago
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DrJDavid 2 years ago
now this is amazing!!!
themullis 3 years ago 2
Finally, research showing visceral effects of Chiropractic!
As the Big Pharma guys continue to get America addicted to more and more drugs, we are sicker and fatter than ever!!
Spending more than in the history of Mankind!
When will we learn?
drbriangarrett 3 years ago
Yes! I agree. Also, did you notice how well scripted Dr. Johnson was on answering the questions.
SltwaterCowboy 3 years ago