one thing though is that it's wonderful to have a record of melocchi. my teacher jerome hines used to discuss melocchi and delmonaco a lot in my lessons. could someone please post an english translation of he maestro for us non speaking inglese folks? approximately what year was this?
This voice is not Limarilli's voice. He sounds darker, and has more difficult to reach the high notes. The Bb (si bemol) at 2:56 is much similar to Del Monaco's one, but I am not sure.
The Limarilli's video having class with Melocchi has a high C at the end, very different voice from this one, on this video.
To put any debate to rest, this is Gastone Limarilli and not Mario Del Monaco. I have the full recording of a lesson between Melocchi and Limarilli and this selection here is identical to track 4 of that recording; although the harmonics here have been equalized and the treble strengthened a little. Lest there be any skeptics: it is identical in every way - speech, voice and even throat clearances.
La persona que subió este video está equivocada, el tenor que vocaliza es Gastone Limarilli, en momentos la voz suena parecida a la de MDM, pero no es el, lo digo con toda seguridad porque tengo la grabación completa de esta clase que Melocchi le da a Limarilli y revisé esta en comparación con la mía, es Limarilli, sin duda alguna.
@SQUIRTHUNTER2 La verdad es que la persona que me regaló esta grabación estudia con Nicola Martinucci y el mismo Martinucci se la regaló a el, este tenor se llama Giancarlo Monsalve, en su viaje a Chile me dijo que tenía un tesoro guardado que lo compartiría conmigo, cuando me pasó la grabación me preguntó, adivina quien canta y yo le dije ¡¡¡MDM!!!, me respondió, caiste, es Gastoe Limarilli...Esa es la historia.
@tenorspinto this is not true ! the tenor wo gave to me this recordin is the tenor Piero Giuliacci ! how you can't hear the difference whit the video where Melocchi teach to limarilli here : /watch?v=koQc45Auyl8&feature=related !!!! are you all crazy ?
Sorry. I mistook your response to "cfreetenor" as being one that decries the notion of covering. Did I misinterpret what you meant? Do you not concur with what I stated in my posts?
I really can't see this being anyone other than MDM. The voice is far darker, with much more squillante than Limarilli's. A spectograph analysis would look similar because they study the same technique, but just listen. It's MDM for sure.
This is splendid indeed. Thank you for uploading. I really could not make out Melocchi's notes, but as Tenelli states, there does not seem to be any covering. The vowel modification is interesting, an amalgamation of aw-uh. It is a bit heavy but che squillante!
@Nello7 He's going towards 'oo'. This means that he's maintaining the concentration in the lower formant for the darkness in the sound, which requires an amount of space in the pharynx that is impossible to achieve without covering - barring any surgical or natural abnormalities, of course.
Agreed, but it depends on our definition of the term, "covering". I absolutely hate the term and I wish that I had not used it in my previous post. There is so much involved in technique that we cannot possibly discuss it here, but ultimately I strive towards that 'oo' space that you mention. I actually do not think that this is Del Monaco singing. I had some other people listen to this clip and it was brought to my attention that Del Monaco was never recorded with Melocchi.
@Nello7 It's true that many people who say they 'cover' actually just go into a woofy constriction - just as many who claim to sing in the mask as Nilsson said just get nasal and overly bright. It is tremendously important to keep the squillante when covering. When everything functions optimally below the passaggio, there still is a difference in the function of the upper extension. Acoustically, the sound envelope changes - this resonance adjustment coincides with what I call covering.
"Woofy Constriction"- I love it! That's correct indeed, and that is a manufactured sound that does not rely upon support or resonance. It still happens to me at times, and it does more harm to the cords than can be imagined.
@Nello7 I believe that you misapprehend what it means to "cover". Facts:
1. As the male singer ascends the scale, the larynx will naturally ascend with it.
2. At a certain point, it becomes difficult for the singer to maintain the proper aesthetic marked by thyroarytenoid dominant production, because of #1.
3. At this point the singer must, in some way, engage a muscle group below the larynx (infrahyoids) to keep it in the medium low position and thereby maintain the proper aesthetic.
I am a bit confused by your response, but I'd love to address your points! I don't believe in the use of the term 'covering' because it is the source of confusion for all tenors. There is a severe lack of comprehension by the community about 'covering', because many teachers do employ the term without understanding the systemic issues. To say that I do not understand it (at least I think that is what you claimed) is not accurate as we have never discussed it together at length.
actually as you ascend the pitch the cricothyroid muscles pull the front of the larynx down lengthening the vocal cords, putting them under tension and producing a higher sound.
Raising the larynx is another way to rach high notes it works but it creates a shrill quality.
Because of the character limit on responses, I couldn't attache the following addendum to #3. The addendum is : "...other salient factors being met." There are many vocal mechanisms which contribute to the proper aesthetic above the point at which the male singer must cover, e.g., lengthening of the vocal folds, the proper and balanced strength of the muscle groupS in the larynx that are responsible for maintaining thyroarytenoid dominant production and the lengthening of the cords, etc., etc..
I hope that you are right, I really do. At this point, the people that I have spoken with about this have claimed this to be Limarilli. Your source is also very reliable, although I do not know him personally. Were you the one who posted the Limarilli clip? If so, perhaps you could put the two together in one clip, and if for nothing else, we can draw some lucid conclusions about Melocchi's method. I think that it is great that you uploaded this anyway!
@Nello7 i got this audio from Piero Giuliacci and he said that he is Mario del Monaco ... for sure this is not Limarilli ... the voice it's totally different !
I disagree about the voice sounding completely different. If you listen to both of the clips, both of them sound very similar in the upper register. They employ the same exact formant, and my friend ran it on his spectrograph, and they were a close match. As I stated in our private email, this person's father studied with Melocchi and knew MDM. There was no knowledge of a recording ever made. He was certain that this is Limarilli (and on stage, their voices are very different!)
@AfroPoli ..certe considerazioni cercherei di tenerle per me.
Arturo Melocchi, che le piaccia o meno, ha fondato una scuola e creato un sistema di canto che ha dato vita a voci fra le più importanti della storia della lirica. Parlare in questi termini non fa altro che manifestare (a scelta ma non necessariamente una soltanto): A) scarsa conoscenza delle suddette voci B) scarsa conoscenza tecnica C) fervida immaginazione D) piacere nel fare polemica gratuita.
@TenelliVoiceGuru Actually, he quite obviously covers the top note in the exercise at 1:20, and every top note above that point. Tenors - especially dramatic tenors - absolutely have to cover to stay properly 'round' (dark) and squillante (clear) above the passaggio.
@cfreetenor "Covering" is a very confused vocal term that has a certain meaning depending who you are talkig to...Gigli, when asked how does he cover, answered":I never cover, I just support well."
In order to aswere you, give me yor definition of Covering otherwise we will be speaking Chinese:)
@TenelliVoiceGuru Then why would you say that he's not covering? That seems silly. Covering, or turning, is the point at which the infrahyoids come in to tension to maintain the position of the larynx and the elongation of the pharynx. Acoustically, this elongation creates space for the fundamental pitch to resonate - which manifests as darkness. More importantly, it keeps the larynx from rising while maintaining a thyro-arytenoid dominant sound.
@cfreetenor Silly is when one doesn't listen carefully, but I explain for you anyways:
Covering occurs only when one changes or restores(on passaggio) position of the larinx.
Those, who keep positions unchanged throughout the whole range, are not covering
You, to my opinion are conditioned with the old concervative idea that evrybody should cover, or by my definition, change position of the larinx on passaggio? am I right?
when one changes position, sound change will occur, I don't hear any
@TenelliVoiceGuru You are wrong about covering. You can cover without the position of the larynx changing, and you can change the position of the larynx without covering. Refer to the definition that I just posted; it's far more correct and complete.
You are the one who used the term 'cover', presumably under the full knowledge that "'Covering' is a very confused vocal term that has a certain meaning depending who you are talkig (sic) to".
@cfreetenor I don't want to waste my time talking to an amateur who reads smart books and picks up definitions. If I'm wrong and you are a pro and come not from silly books but experience, then we can talk
The term 'covering' is not universal, and does not promote technique. However, I agree with what you say that the breath, when travelling unimpeded, will promote proper chiaroscuro. But this is dependent upon several factors. Some teachers teach that 'covering' only occurs at F#-G- and they look for a dark and manufactured tone as opposed to proper resonance and support. Proper phonation, larynx position, and appoggio should lend itself greatly to true chiaroscuro.
ну...здесь гласный а на месте мышц гласной у.......это не чистое а...которое дураки орут во всех муз заведениях......ыыы.......пусть орут дальше....ыыыы........
Well if alll you have to say is how much of a butthead you think Caf is, I don't think people coming to listen to Melocchi teaching Del Monaco would be very much interested in that! Haha
@cfreetenor hahaha this is a good point. he just kinda pissed me off constantly on opera freaks so when I saw him posting here it was right on the defensive for me
@wenismen Well if all you know of him is his posts, how can you say what he doesn't isn't similar? We all meet people we don't mesh with on the internet, that doesn't mean we're all incapable of doing anything! Lol
@cfreetenor Nonetheless someone who claims to be a teacher should probably not have an ego the size of the sun while posting on forums. He just acts like a conceited cocky asshole and yet never backs it up. Maybe it's just me, but even if he is a teacher if he's a self-righteous asshole I feel no inclination to listen to a word he has to say.
He really does fantastic things with his studio. A number of his singers sound great - in the sense that Tebaldi and Del Monaco were great. It's something you have to hear for yourself.
@cfreetenor I would love to hear it for myself, except I've never heard of him. Plus he's kind of a douchebag on every forum he goes to (first encountered him at opera freaks) so I'm a bit hard pressed to believe he does anything productive...
@cfreetenor Well when he acts like a little bitch pissing all over himself constantly, then throws around ridiculous credentials with absolutely no proof to support them whatsoever, I have a hard time believing he does anything more than sit on his computer and bitch and moan on opera forums. So in short no, I haven't, because he's not actually a teacher of any sort.
Why did somebody mark you as spam? And what comment got removed? I think you might have just failed all over the place...
@cfreetenor Of course he hasn't seen me work. The funny thing is that he even admits to this. He assumes I am a "troll" because he has been brain washed at Oberlin into thinking the education he paid for will make him a great singer. And it is nothing but smoke and mirrors. So, he has never met me, heard me, heard my students nor seen me teach and yet he writes all this garbage about me....and then calls ME a troll. ROFL!
@MrCafiero Hmm...I didn't know they let people with autism teach music. Were you some kind of exception? First of all, for all you know I could have lied about going to Oberlin, which is a clear indication that you have the IQ of a small rodent for actually believing everything you see on the internet. Secondly, Oberlin actually has a real reputation, whereas you just made yours up in hopes that somebody will believe your retarded ass. And using ROFL makes you sound even less qualified to teach
@wenismen I see, so you make it clear that lying is an option for you. There is nothing more to say to someone like you who does nothing, but attack people personally without having ever met them. The fact is that you actually know nothing about me, my students, or the technique I teach. That in and of itself totally disqualifies you from commenting on any of it. So be gone.
@MrCafiero Lying is an option for anyone, you seem to do it quite well on every forum you post on. You're a conceited, hypocritical, self-centered fool. And don't pull the "personal" attack card. You're just as guilty as I am of it so I feel no need to treat you with the slightest bit of respect.
Again, I don't even believe that you are a teacher, so I'm not commenting on what you teach. I'm commenting on what a low quality human being you are.
@MrCafiero Prove that you teach. If you cannot then your words are empty. :P
Also, I have seen you attack users on forums personally before as well, we can't forget that little chestnut.
Either way, no matter how much your douchebaggotry on opera freaks and other forums irks me this was a bit unprovoked so I apologize for that. You can respond, I know I'm in the wrong here, so I'm done posting now.
@wenismen I can prove it if anyone comes for a lesson. I have only personally attacked those who have done it to me first. I usually just comment technically or about the decline of the operatic voice. Anyway, good luck to you.
@MrCafiero Also, it goes both ways. You have no idea what kind of musical training I had received at Oberlin (I did actually go there, I used the potential lying as an example) yet you have no problem calling it all "smoke and mirrors". So what's the difference if I say you are lying about all of your "credentials"?
@wenismen But I was not the one who came on here and attacked me personally. You did. And all I have to say about Oberlin is that there have not been any great singers coming out of there on the level of singers of the past. So that is their reputation for voice. Also, I have taught people who have studied there, at Juilliard, MSM etc. So I know what goes on there. You don't know what I teach.
@MrCafiero Smoke and mirrors is carousing around forums throwing off fake credentials and actually expecting people to believe that you are some kind of genius or that you have any significance in this world at all. You provide absolutely no evidence that you even have a job to begin with. There's a reason I've never met or heard you or any of your "students": that would be because you are lying. And until you prove otherwise, you are no more than an illiterate idiot posting on a website.
@wenismen Again, you don't know what my credentials are, you have never heard me, my students etc. So your whole basis for your argument is null and void to begin with. So stop with the nonsense.
@MrCafiero Lastly...I don't think you seem to understand what a "troll" is. I know that you have a very limited mental capacity, but you might want to take the time to look it up.
@cfreetenor Yep, I could tell. There's nothing more embarrassing than not understanding simple forum-esque concepts ;) Though you've got the snarkiness down-pat which is very commendable. We are so much alike.
I cannot tell you how similar this is to what we teach. It is uncanny. However, we also know to watch out for laryngeal depression and also to teach falsetto work to develop mezza voce and pianissimi.
Sorry, but this is 100 % Mario del Monaco...not the other guy!!!
mahsef 1 week ago
who can translate what did maestro melocchi say??
operayakuza 3 weeks ago
I would sing like my hero , Del Monaco.... but i don't know how to cover like this. hahaha,,,,,
I'll try more...
operayakuza 3 weeks ago
one thing though is that it's wonderful to have a record of melocchi. my teacher jerome hines used to discuss melocchi and delmonaco a lot in my lessons. could someone please post an english translation of he maestro for us non speaking inglese folks? approximately what year was this?
thanks for posting such operatic gold.
operacaster 1 month ago
This is not Del Monaco!
valentinmonaco 3 months ago
If you play the two different recordings at the same time--and you can do that- , just open up two windows--I thin you will hear it.
liedersanger1 3 months ago
This is not Del Monaco--but Limrelli. Just compare the two.
liedersanger1 3 months ago
@liedersanger1 wash your ears ... the voice is different .
MusicyLife 3 months ago
@MusicyLife 1:05 that swoop is totally Mario Del Monaco-ish.
but I don't know that other singer, so I can't take a position on that question.
what "other clip" are they referring to?
I wish we could hear the teacher better, or have a transcription of his words, or subtitles.
wattever333 2 weeks ago
@liedersanger1
He's Mario for sure.
Beral62 2 months ago
somebody knows, what age was Del monaco at this recording????
yuyuyukaministro 3 months ago
Could you possibly provide an English translation of this posting, for those of us whose grasp of Italian is rudimentary (like mine) or non-existent?
I know more Spanish than Italian, so I grasp some of it, but not all, tal vez lo siento muchisimo y tambien en italiano -- mi dispiace --
stevevandien 4 months ago
sounds a bit like MDM but for sure it is not! But naturally it is the same teacher and style!
mogensrank66 4 months ago
sounds like del monaco
Mr19841504 4 months ago
This voice is not Limarilli's voice. He sounds darker, and has more difficult to reach the high notes. The Bb (si bemol) at 2:56 is much similar to Del Monaco's one, but I am not sure.
The Limarilli's video having class with Melocchi has a high C at the end, very different voice from this one, on this video.
Thanks for posting!
TurandotFanatic 6 months ago 4
@TurandotFanatic right !
MusicyLife 6 months ago
this is del monaco oh my God ! i get this from a Famous singer !
MusicyLife 6 months ago
To put any debate to rest, this is Gastone Limarilli and not Mario Del Monaco. I have the full recording of a lesson between Melocchi and Limarilli and this selection here is identical to track 4 of that recording; although the harmonics here have been equalized and the treble strengthened a little. Lest there be any skeptics: it is identical in every way - speech, voice and even throat clearances.
ozitenor 6 months ago
@ozitenor Thank you Oz! In any event, regardless of who the tenor was, it is a good insight to the Melocchi school of singing.
Any chance of you being able to post that lesson?
Nello7 3 weeks ago
La persona que subió este video está equivocada, el tenor que vocaliza es Gastone Limarilli, en momentos la voz suena parecida a la de MDM, pero no es el, lo digo con toda seguridad porque tengo la grabación completa de esta clase que Melocchi le da a Limarilli y revisé esta en comparación con la mía, es Limarilli, sin duda alguna.
tenorspinto 7 months ago
@tenorspinto deberías subir toda la grabación, o en todo caso la prueba de q se trata de gastone limarilli
SQUIRTHUNTER2 6 months ago
@SQUIRTHUNTER2 La verdad es que la persona que me regaló esta grabación estudia con Nicola Martinucci y el mismo Martinucci se la regaló a el, este tenor se llama Giancarlo Monsalve, en su viaje a Chile me dijo que tenía un tesoro guardado que lo compartiría conmigo, cuando me pasó la grabación me preguntó, adivina quien canta y yo le dije ¡¡¡MDM!!!, me respondió, caiste, es Gastoe Limarilli...Esa es la historia.
tenorspinto 6 months ago
@tenorspinto ah bueno, aun así considero que en algún momento deberías compartir la grabación completa aunque sea por partes :)
SQUIRTHUNTER2 6 months ago
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SQUIRTHUNTER2 6 months ago
@tenorspinto y con respecto al video que está por ahí y que dice explícitamente que Melocchi enseña a Limarilli ??
SQUIRTHUNTER2 6 months ago
@tenorspinto this is not true ! the tenor wo gave to me this recordin is the tenor Piero Giuliacci ! how you can't hear the difference whit the video where Melocchi teach to limarilli here : /watch?v=koQc45Auyl8&feature=related !!!! are you all crazy ?
MusicyLife 4 months ago
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Sorry. I mistook your response to "cfreetenor" as being one that decries the notion of covering. Did I misinterpret what you meant? Do you not concur with what I stated in my posts?
omarihardy 8 months ago
I really can't see this being anyone other than MDM. The voice is far darker, with much more squillante than Limarilli's. A spectograph analysis would look similar because they study the same technique, but just listen. It's MDM for sure.
cfreetenor 9 months ago
Уникальная запись! Спасибо большое за размещение на сайте! Grazie!
German37T 9 months ago
This is splendid indeed. Thank you for uploading. I really could not make out Melocchi's notes, but as Tenelli states, there does not seem to be any covering. The vowel modification is interesting, an amalgamation of aw-uh. It is a bit heavy but che squillante!
Nello7 10 months ago
@Nello7 He's going towards 'oo'. This means that he's maintaining the concentration in the lower formant for the darkness in the sound, which requires an amount of space in the pharynx that is impossible to achieve without covering - barring any surgical or natural abnormalities, of course.
cfreetenor 9 months ago
@cfreetenor
Agreed, but it depends on our definition of the term, "covering". I absolutely hate the term and I wish that I had not used it in my previous post. There is so much involved in technique that we cannot possibly discuss it here, but ultimately I strive towards that 'oo' space that you mention. I actually do not think that this is Del Monaco singing. I had some other people listen to this clip and it was brought to my attention that Del Monaco was never recorded with Melocchi.
Nello7 9 months ago
@Nello7 It's true that many people who say they 'cover' actually just go into a woofy constriction - just as many who claim to sing in the mask as Nilsson said just get nasal and overly bright. It is tremendously important to keep the squillante when covering. When everything functions optimally below the passaggio, there still is a difference in the function of the upper extension. Acoustically, the sound envelope changes - this resonance adjustment coincides with what I call covering.
cfreetenor 9 months ago 4
@cfreetenor
"Woofy Constriction"- I love it! That's correct indeed, and that is a manufactured sound that does not rely upon support or resonance. It still happens to me at times, and it does more harm to the cords than can be imagined.
Nello7 9 months ago 2
@Nello7 I believe that you misapprehend what it means to "cover". Facts:
1. As the male singer ascends the scale, the larynx will naturally ascend with it.
2. At a certain point, it becomes difficult for the singer to maintain the proper aesthetic marked by thyroarytenoid dominant production, because of #1.
3. At this point the singer must, in some way, engage a muscle group below the larynx (infrahyoids) to keep it in the medium low position and thereby maintain the proper aesthetic.
omarihardy 8 months ago
@omarihardy
I am a bit confused by your response, but I'd love to address your points! I don't believe in the use of the term 'covering' because it is the source of confusion for all tenors. There is a severe lack of comprehension by the community about 'covering', because many teachers do employ the term without understanding the systemic issues. To say that I do not understand it (at least I think that is what you claimed) is not accurate as we have never discussed it together at length.
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Nello7 8 months ago
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omarihardy 8 months ago
@omarihardy
actually as you ascend the pitch the cricothyroid muscles pull the front of the larynx down lengthening the vocal cords, putting them under tension and producing a higher sound.
Raising the larynx is another way to rach high notes it works but it creates a shrill quality.
jamesgatward1985 6 months ago
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omarihardy 8 months ago
Because of the character limit on responses, I couldn't attache the following addendum to #3. The addendum is : "...other salient factors being met." There are many vocal mechanisms which contribute to the proper aesthetic above the point at which the male singer must cover, e.g., lengthening of the vocal folds, the proper and balanced strength of the muscle groupS in the larynx that are responsible for maintaining thyroarytenoid dominant production and the lengthening of the cords, etc., etc..
omarihardy 8 months ago
@Nello7 This is Del Monaco ;)
MusicyLife 9 months ago
@MusicyLife
I hope that you are right, I really do. At this point, the people that I have spoken with about this have claimed this to be Limarilli. Your source is also very reliable, although I do not know him personally. Were you the one who posted the Limarilli clip? If so, perhaps you could put the two together in one clip, and if for nothing else, we can draw some lucid conclusions about Melocchi's method. I think that it is great that you uploaded this anyway!
Nello7 9 months ago
@Nello7 i got this audio from Piero Giuliacci and he said that he is Mario del Monaco ... for sure this is not Limarilli ... the voice it's totally different !
MusicyLife 9 months ago 3
@MusicyLife
I disagree about the voice sounding completely different. If you listen to both of the clips, both of them sound very similar in the upper register. They employ the same exact formant, and my friend ran it on his spectrograph, and they were a close match. As I stated in our private email, this person's father studied with Melocchi and knew MDM. There was no knowledge of a recording ever made. He was certain that this is Limarilli (and on stage, their voices are very different!)
Nello7 9 months ago
With that being said, this is a treasure to listen to. Although the voice sounds pezzante, it is seamless.
Nello7 9 months ago
Che pesantezza, praticalmente la fine del buon canto.
AfroPoli 10 months ago
@AfroPoli ..certe considerazioni cercherei di tenerle per me.
Arturo Melocchi, che le piaccia o meno, ha fondato una scuola e creato un sistema di canto che ha dato vita a voci fra le più importanti della storia della lirica. Parlare in questi termini non fa altro che manifestare (a scelta ma non necessariamente una soltanto): A) scarsa conoscenza delle suddette voci B) scarsa conoscenza tecnica C) fervida immaginazione D) piacere nel fare polemica gratuita.
Grazie a chi ha procurato il video!
Piccolopoeta 10 months ago
This is the way of pure open throat-appoggio aproach from Melocchi, there is no covering, but always round and squillante.
Thank for uploading this treasure
TenelliVoiceGuru 10 months ago
@TenelliVoiceGuru Actually, he quite obviously covers the top note in the exercise at 1:20, and every top note above that point. Tenors - especially dramatic tenors - absolutely have to cover to stay properly 'round' (dark) and squillante (clear) above the passaggio.
cfreetenor 9 months ago
@cfreetenor "Covering" is a very confused vocal term that has a certain meaning depending who you are talkig to...Gigli, when asked how does he cover, answered":I never cover, I just support well."
In order to aswere you, give me yor definition of Covering otherwise we will be speaking Chinese:)
TenelliVoiceGuru 9 months ago
@TenelliVoiceGuru Then why would you say that he's not covering? That seems silly. Covering, or turning, is the point at which the infrahyoids come in to tension to maintain the position of the larynx and the elongation of the pharynx. Acoustically, this elongation creates space for the fundamental pitch to resonate - which manifests as darkness. More importantly, it keeps the larynx from rising while maintaining a thyro-arytenoid dominant sound.
cfreetenor 9 months ago
@cfreetenor Silly is when one doesn't listen carefully, but I explain for you anyways:
Covering occurs only when one changes or restores(on passaggio) position of the larinx.
Those, who keep positions unchanged throughout the whole range, are not covering
You, to my opinion are conditioned with the old concervative idea that evrybody should cover, or by my definition, change position of the larinx on passaggio? am I right?
when one changes position, sound change will occur, I don't hear any
TenelliVoiceGuru 9 months ago
@TenelliVoiceGuru You are wrong about covering. You can cover without the position of the larynx changing, and you can change the position of the larynx without covering. Refer to the definition that I just posted; it's far more correct and complete.
You are the one who used the term 'cover', presumably under the full knowledge that "'Covering' is a very confused vocal term that has a certain meaning depending who you are talkig (sic) to".
cfreetenor 9 months ago
@cfreetenor I don't want to waste my time talking to an amateur who reads smart books and picks up definitions. If I'm wrong and you are a pro and come not from silly books but experience, then we can talk
Franco Tenelli
TenelliVoiceGuru 9 months ago
@TenelliVoiceGuru Thanks for how obvious you've made it that you don't know what you're talking about.
cfreetenor 9 months ago
@cfreetenor You did not answere my question:) who am I talking to?
Bookworm?Opera coach? Pro opera singer? 12 years old?
idenify youself
TenelliVoiceGuru 9 months ago
@TenelliVoiceGuru Who I am in this conversation is the closest one to making sounds like the one in this video.
cfreetenor 9 months ago
@TenelliVoiceGuru Plus, I'm a proffesional opera singer and opera coach and may I ask what is your experience in that field?
TenelliVoiceGuru 9 months ago
@cfreetenor
The term 'covering' is not universal, and does not promote technique. However, I agree with what you say that the breath, when travelling unimpeded, will promote proper chiaroscuro. But this is dependent upon several factors. Some teachers teach that 'covering' only occurs at F#-G- and they look for a dark and manufactured tone as opposed to proper resonance and support. Proper phonation, larynx position, and appoggio should lend itself greatly to true chiaroscuro.
Nello7 9 months ago
ну...здесь гласный а на месте мышц гласной у.......это не чистое а...которое дураки орут во всех муз заведениях......ыыы.......пусть орут дальше....ыыыы........
svjatazarov 10 months ago
мне всё здесь предельно ясно.....большое спасибо за публикацию!!!!
svjatazarov 1 year ago
Could someone translate the Melocchi's recommendations?
Please!
garanss 1 year ago 2
Well if alll you have to say is how much of a butthead you think Caf is, I don't think people coming to listen to Melocchi teaching Del Monaco would be very much interested in that! Haha
cfreetenor 1 year ago
@cfreetenor hahaha this is a good point. he just kinda pissed me off constantly on opera freaks so when I saw him posting here it was right on the defensive for me
wenismen 1 year ago
@wenismen Well if all you know of him is his posts, how can you say what he doesn't isn't similar? We all meet people we don't mesh with on the internet, that doesn't mean we're all incapable of doing anything! Lol
cfreetenor 1 year ago
@cfreetenor Nonetheless someone who claims to be a teacher should probably not have an ego the size of the sun while posting on forums. He just acts like a conceited cocky asshole and yet never backs it up. Maybe it's just me, but even if he is a teacher if he's a self-righteous asshole I feel no inclination to listen to a word he has to say.
wenismen 1 year ago
@wenismen I forgot to tag you.
He really does fantastic things with his studio. A number of his singers sound great - in the sense that Tebaldi and Del Monaco were great. It's something you have to hear for yourself.
cfreetenor 1 year ago
@cfreetenor I would love to hear it for myself, except I've never heard of him. Plus he's kind of a douchebag on every forum he goes to (first encountered him at opera freaks) so I'm a bit hard pressed to believe he does anything productive...
wenismen 1 year ago
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@wenismen Because I've seen him work and this really is extremely similar. Have you?
cfreetenor 1 year ago
@cfreetenor Well when he acts like a little bitch pissing all over himself constantly, then throws around ridiculous credentials with absolutely no proof to support them whatsoever, I have a hard time believing he does anything more than sit on his computer and bitch and moan on opera forums. So in short no, I haven't, because he's not actually a teacher of any sort.
Why did somebody mark you as spam? And what comment got removed? I think you might have just failed all over the place...
wenismen 1 year ago
@cfreetenor Of course he hasn't seen me work. The funny thing is that he even admits to this. He assumes I am a "troll" because he has been brain washed at Oberlin into thinking the education he paid for will make him a great singer. And it is nothing but smoke and mirrors. So, he has never met me, heard me, heard my students nor seen me teach and yet he writes all this garbage about me....and then calls ME a troll. ROFL!
MrCafiero 1 year ago
@MrCafiero Hmm...I didn't know they let people with autism teach music. Were you some kind of exception? First of all, for all you know I could have lied about going to Oberlin, which is a clear indication that you have the IQ of a small rodent for actually believing everything you see on the internet. Secondly, Oberlin actually has a real reputation, whereas you just made yours up in hopes that somebody will believe your retarded ass. And using ROFL makes you sound even less qualified to teach
wenismen 1 year ago
@wenismen I see, so you make it clear that lying is an option for you. There is nothing more to say to someone like you who does nothing, but attack people personally without having ever met them. The fact is that you actually know nothing about me, my students, or the technique I teach. That in and of itself totally disqualifies you from commenting on any of it. So be gone.
MrCafiero 1 year ago
@MrCafiero Lying is an option for anyone, you seem to do it quite well on every forum you post on. You're a conceited, hypocritical, self-centered fool. And don't pull the "personal" attack card. You're just as guilty as I am of it so I feel no need to treat you with the slightest bit of respect.
Again, I don't even believe that you are a teacher, so I'm not commenting on what you teach. I'm commenting on what a low quality human being you are.
wenismen 1 year ago
@wenismen Prove where I have lied. If you cannot then your words are empty.
MrCafiero 1 year ago
@MrCafiero Prove that you teach. If you cannot then your words are empty. :P
Also, I have seen you attack users on forums personally before as well, we can't forget that little chestnut.
Either way, no matter how much your douchebaggotry on opera freaks and other forums irks me this was a bit unprovoked so I apologize for that. You can respond, I know I'm in the wrong here, so I'm done posting now.
wenismen 1 year ago
@wenismen I can prove it if anyone comes for a lesson. I have only personally attacked those who have done it to me first. I usually just comment technically or about the decline of the operatic voice. Anyway, good luck to you.
MrCafiero 1 year ago
@MrCafiero Also, it goes both ways. You have no idea what kind of musical training I had received at Oberlin (I did actually go there, I used the potential lying as an example) yet you have no problem calling it all "smoke and mirrors". So what's the difference if I say you are lying about all of your "credentials"?
wenismen 1 year ago
@wenismen But I was not the one who came on here and attacked me personally. You did. And all I have to say about Oberlin is that there have not been any great singers coming out of there on the level of singers of the past. So that is their reputation for voice. Also, I have taught people who have studied there, at Juilliard, MSM etc. So I know what goes on there. You don't know what I teach.
MrCafiero 1 year ago
@MrCafiero Smoke and mirrors is carousing around forums throwing off fake credentials and actually expecting people to believe that you are some kind of genius or that you have any significance in this world at all. You provide absolutely no evidence that you even have a job to begin with. There's a reason I've never met or heard you or any of your "students": that would be because you are lying. And until you prove otherwise, you are no more than an illiterate idiot posting on a website.
wenismen 1 year ago
@wenismen Again, you don't know what my credentials are, you have never heard me, my students etc. So your whole basis for your argument is null and void to begin with. So stop with the nonsense.
MrCafiero 1 year ago
@MrCafiero Lastly...I don't think you seem to understand what a "troll" is. I know that you have a very limited mental capacity, but you might want to take the time to look it up.
wenismen 1 year ago
@wenismen I think you have made it quite clear what a troll is in this thread.
MrCafiero 1 year ago
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cfreetenor 1 year ago
Who's hiding?
cfreetenor 1 year ago
@cfreetenor Well I'm going to take a leap of faith and say you're MrCafiero...why would you use this account instead of that one to reply to this...
wenismen 1 year ago
ah mule accounts...poorly hiding the identities of confrontational oddities for years...
wenismen 1 year ago
To be condescending in an ambiguous way!
cfreetenor 1 year ago
@cfreetenor I'm surprised you know the words "condescending" and "ambiguous".
I'm not surprised, however, that you don't know how to reply to comments.
wenismen 1 year ago
@wenismen Thanks for letting me know, I was on the edge of my seat in suspense!
cfreetenor 1 year ago
@cfreetenor Yep, I could tell. There's nothing more embarrassing than not understanding simple forum-esque concepts ;) Though you've got the snarkiness down-pat which is very commendable. We are so much alike.
wenismen 1 year ago
Is that so, 'wenismen'?
cfreetenor 1 year ago
@cfreetenor Indeed
wenismen 1 year ago
@cfreetenor Also, why the hell did you put my name in quotes? Single quotes no less.
wenismen 1 year ago
I cannot tell you how similar this is to what we teach. It is uncanny. However, we also know to watch out for laryngeal depression and also to teach falsetto work to develop mezza voce and pianissimi.
MrCafiero 1 year ago
@MrCafiero No you don't.
ladymcbeth61 1 year ago
@ladymcbeth61 And how would you know?
MrCafiero 1 year ago
@MrCafiero Because you lack the mental capacity to do anything intelligent. And you're a troll. An awful one.
wenismen 1 year ago