MiddleEast ALWAYS at war! Mohammad violent SINFUL cult Murderer!Jesus/Healed/Blessed/Peace/Salvation/GOD! All MUSLIMS who converted to Christianity ARE HAPPY & FREE OF ABUSE & MISERY! Islam leaders are killing you! Christians LOVE YOU! PLEASE accept JESUS CHRIST as your SAVIOR! John 3:16 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him! REBEL & ACCEPT JESUS! Be FREE of ISLAM LIES! Visit wlix radio.com
@AtheosRecords You kidding bro? We're probably less than 5% of the world population. There's no way we're *not* losing if such a thing happened. Of course, it can't happen.
If the religious want to annihilate atheism you will need to stop us from thinking for ourselves so we convert. I am sorry, it is not a process you can simply stop. So, you have one option. You either kill all atheist, or you fade away in history as more people realize atheism does not restrict your beliefs. It simply teach people critical thinking.
Atheism does not mean you cannot have beliefs, it just means don't pass off religion as truth as you have no proper supporting evidence.
MiddleEast ALWAYS at war! Mohammad violent SINFUL Murderer! Jesus Healed/Blessed/ Peace/Salvation/GOD! All MUSLIMS who converted to Christianity ARE HAPPY/FREE OF ABUSE/MISERY! Your leaders are killing you! All Christians LOVE YOU! PLEASE accept JESUS CHRIST as your SAVIOR! John 3:16 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him! PLEASE REBEL/ACCEPT JESUS! Be FREE of ISLAM LIES! Visit wlix radio.com
So what .. Saudi arabia is The Only country that rejects churches (and I'm happy with it) because Saudi Arabia is meant to be THE ISLAMIC CAPITAL COUNTRY. you don't like it? Get over it!! let say we built our first church (that's apparently impossible), will you visit it???? of course not. Then shut your mouth and try other subject next time.
@NormalIsGreat Ummm the point is that all religions are retarded and will throw their own convictions to the wind if they think that can profit in some way. Religion is the longest running and most massive con job in the history of humanity. Just another example of the mjaority tryng to pick on the minority who just want to be left alone.
You do realise that Muslims are trying to implement sharia and ban the building of churches even in other countries right? Oh, and you say:
"Then shut your mouth and try other subject next time."
No we won't ;) We can't let Muslim hypocrites to sit in peace, we've seen too much shit from Christians, now it's your turn. And don't go all suicidal on me, we're not all after your oil lulz.
By implementing laws to kill/imprison apostates as well as persecuting religious minorities- they regularly cross the line.
"you think Muslims are known as a suicide bombers?"
Strapping explosive to self & BOOM?
"I think you should read about "Anders Behring Breivik""
I already have. He's the mirror reflection of the Muslims he hates: hates atheists, thinks women should be baby machines and shouldn't pursue higher education, etc, etc.
This could all be so easily accomplished with that pesky little thing called evidence. That way they could still go on hating each other without atheists butting in.
@mjalfino It seems that god isn't powerful enough to show everyone the truth even with billions praying that he do so. You must be one of the lucky ones.
One more thing, both christians and muslims call for the same exact message [PEACE]. The matter of where churches and mosques should be/ allowed to be built is a matter of agreements.
your goal is mean and subtle which to turn the two religions against each other so that they won't work together to convince you atheists of God's existence.
As there are many Christian countries that allow mosques to be built into their lands under the condition that call for prayers is not allowed, other christian countries refuse mosques to be built in their lands and muslims can practice their religion anywhere. Simillarly, many islamic countries allow churches to be built in their land, while other islamic countries refuse. I think this is fair for both sides. NO complaints!!
So don't talk about things you are ignorant of, please!
I am sorry for the way these two ignorant atheists think. I shall say that mosques are not allowed to be built and call for prayers is not allowed in many christian countries [no need to specifiy, you go search for that]. So, forgive me if I said that we have the right to say to christians [no] when it comes to building churches in our country. However, they are more than wecolme to come to my country and to practice their prayers NOT in churches [ an Eye for an Eye] << fair enough
Ha ha. If Saudi Arabia and the Vatican want to make an alliance against both democracy AND communism they I say bring it. They don't stand a chance in non existent Hell.
The only thing they can do is pray to their various gods that we are simultaneously spontaneously combusted. If they try to attack the brains through any other method, they will end up losing to science.
Us and Them, you complete clowns. You are as narrow minded as any redneck zombies could possibly be. We atheists, We Muslims, We Christians, who do you think you are speaking as We. You are a redneck and do not speak for anyone but yourself you clown.
BRING IT ON MUSLIMS JEWS AND FAT AMERICAN CHRISTIANS. ANY DAY ANY TIME ANY PLACE!!! After 5 min with me you will be bowing in front of me. Crying and whining about how much a superior organism I am to you.
Remember, they teach this sh*t to kids... at an age where believing in the Easter Bunny is plausible. Throw in the whole "burn in hell if you question it" and "those who don't belong are condemned" and you have a collective mind set that is very dangerous... especially for those who follow it the closest.
Hey, religious zealots have to stand by one another, right? It's just like when Catholic leaders sided with Khomeni and condemned Salman Rushdie for blasphemy against Islam. This sort of thing just helps show how morally and intellectually bankrupt religion of all kinds really is. But I think it's a sign that relgion is running for its life at this point. Would this have happened 50 years ago?
I was agreeing with you until you said" Atheist have all the degrees and all the brains". That is just being a bigot. a Atheist who thinks atheist are intellectual superior to theist is like a theist claiming that theist are morally superior to the atheist. Both are equally bigoted and narrow minded.
@JohnF30Music Pure bull. All of those polls only look for tradition religious people and they never ask members of NRMs or Deists. Polls have shown that 75% of all Wiccans have at least a BA or better...but pulls have shown that Atheists have the highest suicide rates of any group.
No it isn't, it's merely stating a fact. It's not that being an atheist makes you intelligent, it's that being intelligent makes you more likely to be an atheist.
"Atheist who thinks atheist are intellectual superior to theist is like a theist claiming that theist are morally superior to the atheist"
There's a difference- the first part is demonstrable, higher intel= less religious, more atheistic. Last part demonstrably untrue- secular charities.
@TurboDally All those studies that show atheists as being more intelligent fail because they only ask "do you believe in God?" & never ask if the person has "some kind of higher power." Other, more precise studies show that neo-pagans are more likely than any group, including Atheists, to have college degrees, and its commonly observed that people with higher intelligence concert to Zen Buddhism or Gnosticism.
@TurboDally "God" usually refers to "personal God", but when the question is framed "do you believe in a higher power, a spirit or life force" like it is in the Eurobaromter poll, then we find that people with higher intelligence believe that impersonal/transpersonal/pantheistic conceptualization of divinity.
I meant to say people with higher intelligence are more likely to be converts to Zen Buddhism or Gnosticism, and that those NRMs have a generally more intelligent membership than Atheism
Do they even realize that the more radical and stupid thing they do, the more Atheist will grow?
I'd like to believe that a majority of the people would choose common sense over religion craziness in the end... therefor the more crazy they get, the less people will be interested in them...
King abdullah probebly realise that some atheist sooner or later will find a way to make cars work with out he´s oil. Better to whipe us out before some one of us send he´s ass hole ness to the poor house.
You should see the good side of the story, at least we would have 5 billion people finally on the same side for a commune cause, with only about 1 billion unfortunate casualties.
The only thing I haven't found a good opinion is shit, I would be one of the unfortunate billion.
@GetMeThere1 If all the religious folks would put there differences behind them to work together in peace and harmony against atheism.... I'd almost be willing to "convert" to the first stupid religious institution I came across.
@GetMeThere1 Did u understand the point of my original post? I'm an atheist by the way. I thought that was obvious? "If all the religious folks would put their differences behind them to work together in peace and harmony against atheism... I'd almost be willing to "convert" to the first stupid religious institution I came across." WE (non-theists) know nothing of the sort will ever happen. I guess my sarcasm was too subtle?
@Hardysamnin : Yes, perhaps I am thick. I don't even know who you are or what you're talking about. Your post seems like a response to some comment I made directly to you; yet this is your first post on this video. Are you getting confused (or thick) about which sockpuppet account you're currently using?
@GetMeThere1 I just hope they all stand shoulder to shoulder so we can use some technology and just shoot once instead of wasting time trying to aim..
The Abrahamic religions, especially Islam and Christianity reward those who don't think about it and condemn those who raise their hands and say "Um... that doesn't quite make sense."
The worse sin you can commit in Christianity is not rape, murder or even genocide. It is not following the word of Jesus to the letter.
So if you teach people this from childhood, have them scared of hell and won't question it, you are damn right the fundies will be the biggest problem
They say, there is nothing but our existence in the world. We die and we live and nothing destroys us except time. They have no knowledge of that . They are only conjecturing. Quran
Hm... I may be against completely removing it from politics, as the beliefs that people hold do affect their choices; so, of course, explaining their religious viewpoint becomes necessary in justifying their position, but I hope that there are secular reasons to coincide with those religious beliefs.
Where would you draw the line, if you don't mind me asking?
Do you mean their specific religion, or just the fact that it is religious? Because if the opinion enforces/endorses a particular religion, then that could be problematic,
@boyinthedrain Banning religion from the public sector and raising hell if someone so much as mentions the word "God" in them because a few people are too easily offended.
@They should support all religions. Also, what is wrong with a religious exterior decoration like the Ten Commandments outside a courtroom or a Nativity scene outside a City Hall? Do people actually think the government is going to use religious law against them or in their favor when it's expressed in the Constitution that we do not establish a state religion?
What about those of us who don't support ANY religion?
I frankly don't care about a Nativity scene or something like that. To me that isn't offensive.
And I don't REALLY care about the 10 Commandments as a decoration. But I would much rather see something reflecting the constitution or our wonderful country rather than middle eastern folklore that has no basis in morality nor liberty
By the way, 60% of the 10 Commandments are crap. I'd rather see a quality recipe then that tripe
@boyinthedrain Does the US constitution contain logical universal morality for all human beings? I'm not testing you I'm genuinely asking. It would seem that nationalism can be as dangerous as religion.
Nope. It is a foundation for a republic. I agree that Nationalism can be as dangerous as religion. Anytime you say BLANK is always right no matter what, you are dancing on dangerous ground.
However a constitution can be ammended. The Word of a supposed God is final
@boyinthedrain Before religion, nationalism and race we are faced with the fact that biologically we are the same creature. So if there is such a thing as human morality it would logically need to apply to all people. Otherwise it falls under opinion. I like chocolate you like strawberry etc. God and politics have failed miserably in this area. They have only divided the species even more.
@boyinthedrain no gods word isnt , as you can see with the many different versions of christianily and islam and jews that dont agree on the laws of god.. God changes every century
I do agree that the ones you mentioned belong in prison. All I'm saying is, these religious symbols or references in the public sector are no cause to get a heart attack unless they are literally enforced on the people. Why do you think they did away with school sponsored prayer in public schools? The word "God" in the pledge, I agree is unconstitutional. However, my allegiance with the US is to the country and the Constitution, not to a piece of cloth.
@darthgrahf Isn't a country just a geographical concept? If the constitution contains universal morality shouldn't it not matter where it's practiced?
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The most intelligent and educated people I have ever known have been Christians from Oxford, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Cambridge, etc. In fact, all those schools were founded by Christians. And the first 123 colleges in the US were founded by Christians. Intelligent and educated people are NOT atheists. The most scholarly and educated people I have ever known have been Orthodox bishops. Atheists don't know anything about them. Atheists are ignorant.
Oh yeah. Your anecdotal evidence counts so much. Also, all of those universities were founded centuries ago. Whether or not their founders were Christians is irrelevant.
Whether you want to continue to assert this falsehood that Atheism is somehow a religion, when it clearly is not as I've demonstrated over and over again here is moot. I don't believe in God. Whether you or anybody else wants to label me as atheist is up to you, but you and your opinion on the word do not dictate what I think, feel, or believe. I would know if I was in a religion. I'm not, nor do I want to be, and none of your bald faced lies and assertions are going to change that fact.
backgammonnn123, I would like to mention that your approach to this topic is ignorant and dishonest at best. Every single argument you offer is loaded with logical fallacies from ad hominem attacks to appeals to authority to appeals to emotion, etc. None of which are proof of anything. Calling people idiots and morons serves to not only discredit you, but shut off the ears of anyone who might be willing to listen. You could use some major lessons in tact if you wish to be taken seriously.
daddies, you just threw a whole paragraph in that said absolutely nothing about the facts at hand. I would suggest for you to go and visit william craigs site and see why the top atheists in the world are afraid to debate him and why I reduced to to writing paragraphs stating absolutely nothing.
Now go back to high school and leave the juicy facts of this subject to the more knowledgable people.
First of all you know nothing, and I don' tneed to convince you, but the remainder of anyone who might read this drivel of yours. Secondly, I posted this as an FYI (hence the "I would like to mention"..you know, as a side note). You're not making any cases for anything, but only making logical fallacies and until you stop doing that, no one is going to take you seriously.
My goal here is not to convince you, but to show the counter to this uneducated assertion that you call proof.
daddies you have shown nothing at all . You have stated in your biased ways that my assertions are logical fallcies which only you are believing here.
My ways are biased, but yours are enlightened and informed? Please! Yes, they are logical fallacies. Don't believe me, look them up. Ad Hominem attacks? That's not what you were doing? Appeals to authority = Flew converted, so should I. This is textbook debunking and you've offered nothing on the way of actual proof of anything.
As for the fine tuning theory...beats the hell out of me. I am admittedly ignorant on this particular theory. Try looking up alternate POV for yourself. They're there.
Here you go again putting words in my mouth. I do have a faith in god also but I also have compelling evidence that points towards a creator. All of your responses were never meant to deal with the issues in an unbiased way, but to try to find a way to turn support your biased beliefs. This is why from waht I have seen from you , that you are an atheist that believs in the absolute doctrine that god doesnt exist. You can say what you want but your posts show it all.
Where is this doctrine? Show me a link to a doctrine of atheism. There is no doctrine of atheism..holy crap man. Are you really this dense? I noticed you didn't dare fill in the blank I gave you. I have remained complete unbiased, I am always will to hear explanations, but when you fill them with logical fallacies, I can automatically dismiss them because they are not sound arguments. I suggest you look up the meaning of "sound" in regards to making arguments, cause you suck at it.
I have read a part of dawkins book and I have read doctor craigs rebuttals to every single point dawkins made, and why craig is rightfully so explained why dawkins book is a very unintellectually written book on thsi subject. Have you even studied any of the poiints that craig made on dawkins book? If not we can go through some here and lets see if you are an aobjective atheist or a dogmatic atheist.
We will first start with dawkins assumption from his book the god dellusion that since god created such a complex universe that god himself must also be just as complex or even more complex.
Do you want to even go down thsi road daddies. The fact that you follow a dogamtic atheist like dawkins is gonna make thsi super easy. We wont even need to bring up his facist views on how government should take children away from families that teach them about god and religion.
I don't "follow" anybody. Dawkins is not the Leader of the atheist community. There is no leader. He just happens to be on of the more popular of the people who speaks on the subject. Frankly, I like what Sam Harris has to say more, but I like Dawkins all the same. Secondly, Dawkins views on religion indoctrinating children is because of people who claim that their children are what they are. He would hold the same belief for atheists who claim their children are atheists, and I would agree.
So Craig to you is the end all, say all of any argument? He's just got all the answers huh? I've seen Craig debate, and he's an idiot. I've read his dissertation on Uncaused First Cause, and it's mindbogglingly stupid. You might as well cite Ray Comforts "Banana is the Atheist's Nightmare" argument. I'll be happy to hear Craig's arguments as I always try to hear opposite sides, but so far his track record from what I've seen is not good. So don't be surprised when I'm not convinced.
If Craig is an idiot then everyone in the academia (atheists and theists) are wrong and your right.
I pose the question again, do you want to debate the first point I made (and you conveniently ignored before your went on your mindless post tirad) about the god dellusion book. We will now see if that book u read was worth reading or not.
I'm aware, and freely admit that Craig is clearly educated. The man has read his shit. But his agenda towards theism sways what he knows to be true and he, like many others, will dishonestly try to squeeze past fallacies in hopes the normal lay person will not catch them. I saw it all throughout his first cause argument, and that's why I dislike him.
Meanwhile, you seem to take his word as though it is Gospel, while ignoring alternate opinions and presentations on the same topic. it's not right.
This debate will prove once and for all whether you are a dogmatic atheist as I have always claimed or if your are an honest atheist. So far you have answered everything else but this claim. I wonder why you are dodging this :)))))))))
First of all, you've yet to answer my questions at all to this point. You've been doing nothing but dodging my points and questions while asserting lies and ignorance. If you ask me what my opinion is on something, I'll be happy to answer it for you, but so far all you seem to do once I do that, is immediately contradict what I say with some bullshit you pulled out of your ass. Call it a hunch, but I'm assuming regardless of what I say, you will call me "dogmatic atheist" anyway. But we can try.
Ok first assumption .Dawkins defines complexity as opposed to simplicity in terms of composition by parts, so it follows that a mind is incredibly simple because a mind doesnt have any parts.
I can't tell which ones are, if they are. I mean there are quite a few. The only one capable of deleting posts on here is PiroNiro. If he is in fact deleting your posts, I will say now, that's not cool Piro. Not cool at all.
Whats the point . Seems like whoever is deleting my posts is showing me all i need to know about atheism. So much for reasoning and rationalistic thought plus science lol
Cry me a fucking river dude. Clearly I was on your side about this. You know how many theists have banned me outright for the mere crime if disagreeing with them? From PCS to GeerUP...Muslimes are really bad about it. This is not an all atheists all the time scenario. You might as well we spouting racial stereotypes at me. Now you wanna talk about this or what? Besides, I still don't see any posts being deleted.
So this is it? You're quitting cause....I can't figure out why. Near as I can tell, none of your posts have been deleted. I scrolled through and there are tons of your comments, proving at very least that not "all of your posts have been deleted" as you claim. Frankly, it sounds to me like the equivalent of "I gotta go, my mom's calling me".
if you're gonna turn tail and run, at least say so, but don't hide under something so easily verifiable as "my posts are being deleted". It seems not.
What's the point? You were all adamant about this two seconds before this post. What's changed. None of your posts have been deleted that I can see. And if someone did remove a couple (that I can't tell) then whoever it was has stopped and seen the error of his ways. There are far more religious nuts who censor than non-believer. For someone who's 42 years old, you sure act like a child. "He cheated, so now I don't want to play anymore." All while believing in Santa for adults. It's funny really
I posted a 6 part series twice and all 12 were removed. Anyways you arent going to be able to get my point without the full explanation. Why are you posting an answer without my full statement?
I have been here for so long, and the fact that your claiming that im running shows me that you are the dogmatic atheist type. Anyways It seems like these 2 posts will get through but they wont allow me to post teh other responses. Your atheist buddies saved you from the same embarressment that craig gave to dawkins.
Sure dude. Of course I couldn't have anything to possibly say of my own on the subject, and you're the all mighty know-it-all with all the answers right? You've figured it all out and you were just going to p0wn me on YouTube. Good for you, as long as you say it enough times, I'm sure you'll start to believe it. The only dogmatic person in this room is you. Dogmatic athiest is a nonsensical term. You may as well be declaring a five sided square. You could just email it to me. It's a thought.
I posted cause I thought you were done. I saw the part 2, but didn't see any posts, and was of the impression you had given up. It might be a problem with YouTube...several times I've had posts not go through and emails as well. I can't begin to speculate frankly, but it seems unlikely he would remove all of those, while leaving the first one on. It's more likely that they're simply not going through. But I can't say for sure. It sounds a bit conspiracy theorist of you though.
As for this, here is my opinion on what you're saying. The BRAIN we know to be very complex, and while it doesn't have "parts" per say (which it actually does, but for the sake of argument), if not "parts", it is segmented off in many regions with many independent functions. Not to mention, the BRAIN is itself a "part" of the human body, which is very complex. Dawkins uses the term "parts", imo, as a way of simplifying the overall concept for the not-quite-so-educated who will read his book.
Again, iI brought up flew not to show you why u should convert but to show you why the ex leader of atheism, who happens to know a whole hell of alot better then you converted to believing in god and he even stated those reasons.
If you are an unbiased atheist you would research his reasons and explain why you dont agree with him, instead of bring up assumption of why I posted about flew in here. Stop insterting inuendos when there never were any.
It doesn't matter why flew converted to atheism. Guys like Francis Collins is a scientist who became a Christian because he saw a frozen waterfall, segmented in three columns, and it reminded him of the holy trinity. A completely irrational reason to believe anything. I'll be happy to look at them, but it doesn't mean that I'm going to change my mind just cause he thinks so. While I look at him, why don't you go read the "God Delusion" or "God is not Great" and see if you change your mind.
Francis collins conversion is a whole different story. Flew explained why he went with the evidence and said that explanations for the creation of teh universe pointed compellingly to a god(an intelligent creator).
As for definition, please check any dictionary online. You can start with the merriam webster dictionary.
My point is it doesn't matter what Flew's reasons are. I will look at them objectively just for curiosities sake, but there is no proof for the existence of God. At best there are few postulated hypothesis that might make people wonder, but they always, but always, are flawed. If there ever were sound evidence that proved god's existence, it would be EVERYWHERE. Nobody would not know about it, and Craig, if he's the one who came up with it, would become the single most well known celeb on earth.
I realize that it might sound strange to you , but william craig has nothing new to offer in terms of debate. He sounds more reasonable than many , I'll give you that, but he still relies on logical fallacies, emotional appeals and other nonsense(we can discuss it in details if you wish). Nobody is afraid of him, as far as I know. I think your "afraid" statement is an example of a theist thinking - it seems for you statement is true as soon as you make it, no evidence required.
The Tanakh says that "YHWH" (bbh!) is not a man, that He should lie.
Christian scriptures say the Creator became a man and then MAYBE "God" (again, I guess).
Clearly the "god" of the Christians is not the same deity as the one described in the Tanakh. Even their names are different and readers are told that it is only under the respective name of each that a person can be delivered/saved.
I think that king abdullahs suggestion makes perfect sense, as I have seen this new wave of militant atheism and its like poison. They call themselves intellectuals but in reality their top leaders like dawkins are intellectual deceievers. Dawkins himself is absolutely frightened to debate with an intellectual theist like doctor william lane craig over dawkins own book the god dellusion. Can you blame dawkins after craig just absolutely destroyed the other atheist moron Hitchens in their debate
I used to debate other religions but after seeing militant atheism in action, I saw true extremism. They are rude, they are rediculing and also once you do nail them on evidence for gods existence like doctor criag has done to so many atheists they simply either stop debating him or switch the subject.
Atheism contrary to what atheists believe isnt the true intelligencia in the academic community. Their leader dawkins is a coward just as they are to face the truth.
Dr. Craig does NOT have evidence for God. I guarantee it. If for some reason you think he has, email me a link to this supposed evidence and I will promptly explain to you exactly why it's bullshit. I promise it is.
You cant promply explain anything. The fine tuning argument, the first cause argument, the historicity of the resurrection argument. There are many compelling piece of evidences that lean towards gods existence and absolutely nothing that leans towards the nopn existence of god. If god didnt have any evidence for gods existence then your atheist grand leader dawkins wouldnt be cowering away underneath some rock like a rat. Hitchens at least has some balls to get his smackdown by doctor craig.
First of all, your grammar sucks? You couldn't be more backwards. There is NO evidence for God. Period, end of story. Were there ever to be actual evidence, rather than the opinion based assertions, predicated on ignorance and hearsay you claim as evidence (it's not), the person to present it would become the single most famous man on the planet. The world would stop where it stands so people could become aware of this breathtaking new discovery. Hate to tell you, but it hasn't happened.
Just because a force is invisible doesnt mean it doesnt have clues to its existence. You are a typical atheist making blanket statements without much to back it up. Trying reading up on your FORMER leader flew who is now on our side
Great! So demonstrate God please, collect your Nobel prize, and usher us into a world of Christian Utopia the likes of which we've never seen. Unless you can't demonstrate God.
biggestdads, You seem to be even less educated then your former leaders. No less then the greatest atheistic leader of the 20th century debated doctor craig many years ago and of course lost the debate but instead of being in denial like a retard like you is, he admitted that craig won because he was right and flew had to FOLLOW THE EVIDENCE,
Guess what idiot? the greatest atheist leader of the intellectual atheist community now believes in god. You see how dumb atheist sheep like u are?
First of all, go look up the logical fallacy "appeal to authority". To spell it out for you, it doesn't matter what Anthony Flew or Richard Dawkins thinks about one subject or the other. That doesn't change the validity of the claim. Second, Anthony Flew became a deist..not a Christian. He specifically compared God to Saddam Hussein once. So you've now proved you're ignorant and a liar.
I for one take great pride in being called a fool, by the foolish (that's you by the way).
Bigdaddy, its a great attempt for you to deviate from the original argument that flew believed in gods existence. The evidence is just too strong and instead of admitting that the evidence is too strong you go off on tangients.
Typical militant atheist.
Lets keep u on the subject of why flew feels that god exists?
Trying to appeal to emotions wont change the question. Ill ask again to you since you appear brain dead. Why did flew suddenly started to believe in god.
Also flews comment about god being comparing to saddam were made many years back. If you view a recent video of him on youtube he seems to have nothing but respect and admiration in christianity and jesus christ. Again , a typical atheist militant that cherry picks peoples quotes and doesnt take into effect that people can learn and evolve their opinions over time which is what flew seems to be doing.
Bigdaddy your biased atheistic garbage doesnt fool anyone in here.
The only legion of doom is the so called rational response squad who like most atheists spread false intellectual propaganda about religion. If you really want the truth about how cruel and destructive atheism is talk to stalin, talk to pol pot, talk to mao, talk to lenin and talk to hitler. The rational response squad will only debate uneducated theists like kirk cameron. If they debated doctor craig he would wipe the floor with them and make them look like you atheists here.
Hitler was catholic, actually. The Nazi regime was covered in crosses and their motto was "Gott Mit Uns" which translates to "God with us".
The difference though between Hitler and the rest of those guys is that the rest of them didn't use their atheism to justify their behavior like Hitler used his Christianity to justify his. ANYONE trying to justify the belief of an invisible unknowable entity is going to have an uphill battle in a debate. Primarily because it CAN'T be proven.
Actually he wasnt at all and he went against all catholic beliefs. He even said he wanted to wipe out christianity from the face of teh earth. He was a pure atheist dictator who was as superstitious as atheists are ignorant.
One of atheisms most powerful men in flew switched over from atheism to believing in god, and when he was asked why he made the conversion he answered" because all of the evidence pointed to gods existence"
No. He wanted to wpe JEWS off the face of the earth. He onsidered himself Catholic and attended mass weekly up to his death. I'm not saying he represented the best of what teh Roaman Catholic Church had to offer, nor that his genocide is tolerated by the church. But to deny that he used his own religion to sway the masses is to deny reality. I mean, Hitler was a vegetarian too. Doesn't mean I blame the holocaust on vegetarianism.
Anthony Flew switched from Atheism to Deism. He still doesn't believe in YOUR God. And he has yet to be able to back up his claim. Let me make this simple for you. We don't follow these people religiously. We support them WHEN THEY MAKE SENSE. When Anthony Flew declared that a creator must have existed and didn't back it up with evidence, he ceased making sense. Do you understand?
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Greengoblin, when atheism loses one of its top leaders of teh 20th centure and then has its top leader dawkins chicken out in a debate to doctor william lane craig,(whose been embarressing atheists intellectually for many years), atheism is basically made up of straw men that are scared to debate their beliefs with the true theist intellectuals of our society. of course this is because atheism is an extremist faith based system that is high on insults and low on logic
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tigersforchrist 4 months ago in playlist Arabia
@AtheosRecords You kidding bro? We're probably less than 5% of the world population. There's no way we're *not* losing if such a thing happened. Of course, it can't happen.
wasilewski91 6 months ago
@wasilewski91 So you think there's only 350,000,000 atheists? lol
bushiyo2 6 months ago
These 2 hosts r the best ones. Although any episode of this show is awesome.
SuLLyZorZ 8 months ago
@SuLLyZorZ
agreed
boyinthedrain 7 months ago
@SuLLyZorZ *gasp* Jeff Dee is on par too
Jed0fSpades 6 months ago
If the religious want to annihilate atheism you will need to stop us from thinking for ourselves so we convert. I am sorry, it is not a process you can simply stop. So, you have one option. You either kill all atheist, or you fade away in history as more people realize atheism does not restrict your beliefs. It simply teach people critical thinking.
Atheism does not mean you cannot have beliefs, it just means don't pass off religion as truth as you have no proper supporting evidence.
Neosaigo 9 months ago
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tigersforchrist 9 months ago
It's an undeniable truth. Rejection of religion makes you smarter.
geniusjas87 9 months ago
@geniusjas87 no intellegences makes u reject religion
DBZass 8 months ago
So what .. Saudi arabia is The Only country that rejects churches (and I'm happy with it) because Saudi Arabia is meant to be THE ISLAMIC CAPITAL COUNTRY. you don't like it? Get over it!! let say we built our first church (that's apparently impossible), will you visit it???? of course not. Then shut your mouth and try other subject next time.
NormalIsGreat 10 months ago
@NormalIsGreat Ummm the point is that all religions are retarded and will throw their own convictions to the wind if they think that can profit in some way. Religion is the longest running and most massive con job in the history of humanity. Just another example of the mjaority tryng to pick on the minority who just want to be left alone.
s5b678 9 months ago
@NormalIsGreat
You do realise that Muslims are trying to implement sharia and ban the building of churches even in other countries right? Oh, and you say:
"Then shut your mouth and try other subject next time."
No we won't ;) We can't let Muslim hypocrites to sit in peace, we've seen too much shit from Christians, now it's your turn. And don't go all suicidal on me, we're not all after your oil lulz.
TurboDally 5 months ago
@TurboDally I do realize that .. because Muslim countries follow certain rules and promises .. and they're not expected to cross the line.
\2\ don't get me started on your SUICIDAL thought .. you think Muslims are known as a suicide bombers?? you think Muslims are known as The Killers??
I think you should read about "Anders Behring Breivik"
NormalIsGreat 5 months ago
@NormalIsGreat
"they're not expected to cross the line"
By implementing laws to kill/imprison apostates as well as persecuting religious minorities- they regularly cross the line.
"you think Muslims are known as a suicide bombers?"
Strapping explosive to self & BOOM?
"I think you should read about "Anders Behring Breivik""
I already have. He's the mirror reflection of the Muslims he hates: hates atheists, thinks women should be baby machines and shouldn't pursue higher education, etc, etc.
TurboDally 4 months ago
This could all be so easily accomplished with that pesky little thing called evidence. That way they could still go on hating each other without atheists butting in.
BrainInSkull 1 year ago
All I can do is to pray for God to guide you and show you the truth.
mjalfino 1 year ago
@mjalfino
"All I can do is pray for God to guide you and show you the truth"
Things that are true are demonstrable
boyinthedrain 1 year ago
@boyinthedrain if so he will lead us away from christianity
DBZass 8 months ago
@DBZass
Better to be lead to reality than Christ
boyinthedrain 8 months ago
@mjalfino It seems that god isn't powerful enough to show everyone the truth even with billions praying that he do so. You must be one of the lucky ones.
BrainInSkull 1 year ago
One more thing, both christians and muslims call for the same exact message [PEACE]. The matter of where churches and mosques should be/ allowed to be built is a matter of agreements.
your goal is mean and subtle which to turn the two religions against each other so that they won't work together to convince you atheists of God's existence.
mjalfino 1 year ago
As there are many Christian countries that allow mosques to be built into their lands under the condition that call for prayers is not allowed, other christian countries refuse mosques to be built in their lands and muslims can practice their religion anywhere. Simillarly, many islamic countries allow churches to be built in their land, while other islamic countries refuse. I think this is fair for both sides. NO complaints!!
So don't talk about things you are ignorant of, please!
mjalfino 1 year ago
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@mjalfino
"As there are many Christian countries that allow mosques to be built into their lands under the condition that call for prayers is not allowed"
Because the prayers are DISRUPTIVE. I don't like people making music near me either.
"other christian countries refuse mosques"
Only 1 case in America, I remember.
"many islamic countries allow churches to be built in their land"
Very rarely, very rarely.
TurboDally 5 months ago
I am sorry for the way these two ignorant atheists think. I shall say that mosques are not allowed to be built and call for prayers is not allowed in many christian countries [no need to specifiy, you go search for that]. So, forgive me if I said that we have the right to say to christians [no] when it comes to building churches in our country. However, they are more than wecolme to come to my country and to practice their prayers NOT in churches [ an Eye for an Eye] << fair enough
mjalfino 1 year ago
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@mjalfino
"mosques are not allowed to be built and call for prayers is not allowed in many christian countries"
Wrong on the first part, mosques on whole are usually built as long as loud prayer calls are not spammed.
"we have the right to say to christians [no] when it comes to building churches in our country"
Because Muslims don't like competition from other religions XD
"[ an Eye for an Eye]"
Makes the whole world blind XD
TurboDally 5 months ago
No gods. No kings. No masters. American Atheist forever.
CommanderC4 1 year ago
Ha ha. If Saudi Arabia and the Vatican want to make an alliance against both democracy AND communism they I say bring it. They don't stand a chance in non existent Hell.
CommanderC4 1 year ago
POPE, KING, RABBIS, BRING IT ON!
YOU WILL SEE WHAT WE ARE CAPABLE OF!
EVERYVERSER 1 year ago
The only thing they can do is pray to their various gods that we are simultaneously spontaneously combusted. If they try to attack the brains through any other method, they will end up losing to science.
easytoremember0 1 year ago
Why did no country leader threaten the king over this, it sounds just like what hitler did
MrReasonFTW 1 year ago
Us and Them, you complete clowns. You are as narrow minded as any redneck zombies could possibly be. We atheists, We Muslims, We Christians, who do you think you are speaking as We. You are a redneck and do not speak for anyone but yourself you clown.
TheTrashytramp 1 year ago
and it took us atheists to actually unite these bloodthirsty fucks
captaindisguise 1 year ago
that was hilarious thanx buds
RadicalCoolDude 1 year ago
BRING IT ON MUSLIMS JEWS AND FAT AMERICAN CHRISTIANS. ANY DAY ANY TIME ANY PLACE!!! After 5 min with me you will be bowing in front of me. Crying and whining about how much a superior organism I am to you.
Hermoor 1 year ago
@Hermoor Lets see how their god given smiting does against our scientifically developed laser guns
MrReasonFTW 1 year ago
@MrReasonFTW I WANNA MECH!
EVERYVERSER 1 year ago
@EVERYVERSER Yeah me too but one that shouts "AM FIRIN MAH LAZAR BLEHHHH" And then fires his LAZAR
MrReasonFTW 1 year ago
Gonna be fun....
rangergxi 1 year ago
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Islam... the religion of PEACE... wants you to DIE for having a different opinion.
DarthBlam 1 year ago
why are athiests all ugly?
Etiros 1 year ago
@Etiros Come on!!! Abdullah is not an atheist..he is Muslim.
Princedemars 1 year ago
@Etiros
"why are athiests all ugly?"
You've got to love a wonderful philosophical debater like this one.
boyinthedrain 1 year ago
@boyinthedrain Thank you.
Etiros 1 year ago
@Etiros
Remember, they teach this sh*t to kids... at an age where believing in the Easter Bunny is plausible. Throw in the whole "burn in hell if you question it" and "those who don't belong are condemned" and you have a collective mind set that is very dangerous... especially for those who follow it the closest.
boyinthedrain 1 year ago
apes and monkeys
shamsham1983 1 year ago
Hey, religious zealots have to stand by one another, right? It's just like when Catholic leaders sided with Khomeni and condemned Salman Rushdie for blasphemy against Islam. This sort of thing just helps show how morally and intellectually bankrupt religion of all kinds really is. But I think it's a sign that relgion is running for its life at this point. Would this have happened 50 years ago?
ZanyPete 1 year ago
I've lived in Saudi-Arabia for two years... I'm atheist o.O
Jostedalsosten 1 year ago
I was agreeing with you until you said" Atheist have all the degrees and all the brains". That is just being a bigot. a Atheist who thinks atheist are intellectual superior to theist is like a theist claiming that theist are morally superior to the atheist. Both are equally bigoted and narrow minded.
mysticresistence 1 year ago
@mysticresistence atheists ARE statistically more intelligent.
JohnF30Music 1 year ago
@JohnF30Music Pure bull. All of those polls only look for tradition religious people and they never ask members of NRMs or Deists. Polls have shown that 75% of all Wiccans have at least a BA or better...but pulls have shown that Atheists have the highest suicide rates of any group.
mysticresistence 1 year ago
@mysticresistence
"That is just being a bigot"
No it isn't, it's merely stating a fact. It's not that being an atheist makes you intelligent, it's that being intelligent makes you more likely to be an atheist.
"Atheist who thinks atheist are intellectual superior to theist is like a theist claiming that theist are morally superior to the atheist"
There's a difference- the first part is demonstrable, higher intel= less religious, more atheistic. Last part demonstrably untrue- secular charities.
TurboDally 5 months ago
@TurboDally All those studies that show atheists as being more intelligent fail because they only ask "do you believe in God?" & never ask if the person has "some kind of higher power." Other, more precise studies show that neo-pagans are more likely than any group, including Atheists, to have college degrees, and its commonly observed that people with higher intelligence concert to Zen Buddhism or Gnosticism.
mysticresistence 5 months ago
@mysticresistence
"do you believe in God?" & never ask if the person has "some kind of higher power.""
Because "god" is synonymous with "higher power". But then again I believe in a power bigger than myself i.e strong nuclear force.
"Other, more precise studies show that neo-pagans are more likely than any group, including Atheists, to have college degrees"
I'd like to see those studies oh mystical one.
"people with higher intelligence concert to...Gnosticism. "
Eh?
TurboDally 4 months ago
@TurboDally "God" usually refers to "personal God", but when the question is framed "do you believe in a higher power, a spirit or life force" like it is in the Eurobaromter poll, then we find that people with higher intelligence believe that impersonal/transpersonal/pantheistic conceptualization of divinity.
I meant to say people with higher intelligence are more likely to be converts to Zen Buddhism or Gnosticism, and that those NRMs have a generally more intelligent membership than Atheism
mysticresistence 4 months ago
LOL!
KevinLounsberry 1 year ago
Hypocrisy at its best... Religous can't stop to make me laugh by their inherent stupidity...
Acrimonator 1 year ago
Do they even realize that the more radical and stupid thing they do, the more Atheist will grow?
I'd like to believe that a majority of the people would choose common sense over religion craziness in the end... therefor the more crazy they get, the less people will be interested in them...
EckoStream 1 year ago
King abdullah probebly realise that some atheist sooner or later will find a way to make cars work with out he´s oil. Better to whipe us out before some one of us send he´s ass hole ness to the poor house.
Lilja20 1 year ago 6
Wonderful. Friggin' jews and muslims and catholics working shoulder to shoulder to "annihilate" atheists.
Could there possibly exist a BETTER proof that religion is evil?
GetMeThere1 1 year ago 65
@GetMeThere1 I doubt any Jew would even bother, of all the Mental illness the Jewish one doesn't seem to try to spread and recrute...
EckoStream 1 year ago
@GetMeThere1
You should see the good side of the story, at least we would have 5 billion people finally on the same side for a commune cause, with only about 1 billion unfortunate casualties.
The only thing I haven't found a good opinion is shit, I would be one of the unfortunate billion.
saintpine 1 year ago
@GetMeThere1 If all the religious folks would put there differences behind them to work together in peace and harmony against atheism.... I'd almost be willing to "convert" to the first stupid religious institution I came across.
hardinmichael1981 1 year ago
@hardinmichael1981 : Thanks for sharing....now you can crawl back into your hole.
GetMeThere1 1 year ago
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hardinmichael1981 1 year ago
@GetMeThere1 Did u understand the point of my original post? I'm an atheist by the way. I thought that was obvious? "If all the religious folks would put their differences behind them to work together in peace and harmony against atheism... I'd almost be willing to "convert" to the first stupid religious institution I came across." WE (non-theists) know nothing of the sort will ever happen. I guess my sarcasm was too subtle?
hardinmichael1981 1 year ago
@hardinmichael1981 : Subtle? Yeah. So subtle only you get it.
GetMeThere1 1 year ago
@GetMeThere1 - I got it first read, perhaps you're just thick?
Hardysamnin 1 year ago
@Hardysamnin : Yes, perhaps I am thick. I don't even know who you are or what you're talking about. Your post seems like a response to some comment I made directly to you; yet this is your first post on this video. Are you getting confused (or thick) about which sockpuppet account you're currently using?
GetMeThere1 1 year ago
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@GetMeThere1 - I'll spell it out for you then.
"@hardinmichael1981 : Subtle? Yeah. So subtle only you get it. "
"@GetMeThere1 - I got it first read, perhaps you're just thick? "
If you only look at my account you would see it's evidently a real account, in fact, my only account on youtube.
I don't agree with what he said, but it made perfect sense, and was in fact, tongue in cheek, perhaps you should lighten up a little.
"Crawl back into your hole" Oh what a nice man you are.
Hardysamnin 1 year ago
@GetMeThere1 I just hope they all stand shoulder to shoulder so we can use some technology and just shoot once instead of wasting time trying to aim..
Kretain 1 year ago
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@GetMeThere1 Blame it on the people, not religion.
Etiros 1 year ago
@Etiros
"Blame it on the people, not religion"
Nope. It is the religion that has good people thinking like this.
boyinthedrain 1 year ago
@boyinthedrain As far as I'm concerned, religion does not have a mind of its own.
Etiros 1 year ago
@Etiros
No but it has a mindset of its own... which is "obey this and don't even THINK to question it"
The problem is always fundamentalists... which means the people who follow the religion the CLOSEST
What does THAT tell you?
boyinthedrain 1 year ago
@boyinthedrain That's a stupid argument.
Etiros 1 year ago
@Etiros
How so?
The Abrahamic religions, especially Islam and Christianity reward those who don't think about it and condemn those who raise their hands and say "Um... that doesn't quite make sense."
The worse sin you can commit in Christianity is not rape, murder or even genocide. It is not following the word of Jesus to the letter.
So if you teach people this from childhood, have them scared of hell and won't question it, you are damn right the fundies will be the biggest problem
boyinthedrain 1 year ago
@GetMeThere1 no, that their good at political actons when it helps them,
basic strategy, enemy of my enemy is my friend
elgostine 1 year ago
hahah di last 5 secs r priceless, ahah "we r goin after this small portion of population, but seem 2 have all the degrees and all the brains" ROTFL!!
azazelbeoulve 1 year ago 3
Absolutely priceless : )
6Untitled9 1 year ago
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They say, there is nothing but our existence in the world. We die and we live and nothing destroys us except time. They have no knowledge of that . They are only conjecturing. Quran
Amar90 1 year ago
@Amar90 Nothing destroys us, except time? What about Allah? What about suicide bombs? What about disease? What about high cliffs?
MonkeyBallZ214 1 year ago
@MonkeyBallZ214
He meant, "nothing can destroy our immortal spirit." Obviously people die every minute of every day....
mtszabo 1 year ago
hmmm free gas... can I send someone else to get it? I would burst into flames when I walk through the door.
MyPisceanNature 1 year ago 2
This is so ironic. In any other circumstance these groups would think the other is going to hell...wow. Stupidity at its best, I guess.
Belloran24 2 years ago 2
man a free gas card to come to church...
ytben26 2 years ago
Is that like "state-enforced freedom"? Or "state-enforced prosperity"?
Maybe those 'political minded atheists" don't want state enforced anything.
Maybe they don't want a state enforced religion.
separatethread 2 years ago 20
I have no problem with atheists, just the political types who want to promote state-enforced secularism. They are no better than the religious nuts.
darthgrahf 2 years ago
"state-enforced secularism"
Meaning what exactly?
If you are saying that you disagree with the government saying religion should be abolished, then I agree.
However, if you are saying that the state shouldn't be forced to take a secular stance on issues, then I may not agree with you.
coreygames 2 years ago
@coreygames Banning any reference to religion in the public sector.
darthgrahf 2 years ago
Hm... I may be against completely removing it from politics, as the beliefs that people hold do affect their choices; so, of course, explaining their religious viewpoint becomes necessary in justifying their position, but I hope that there are secular reasons to coincide with those religious beliefs.
Where would you draw the line, if you don't mind me asking?
coreygames 2 years ago
I'd draw the line when they start shooting down other opinions on the basis of religion or try to enforce it on others.
darthgrahf 2 years ago
Do you mean their specific religion, or just the fact that it is religious? Because if the opinion enforces/endorses a particular religion, then that could be problematic,
coreygames 2 years ago
The fact that it is religious.
darthgrahf 2 years ago
Then we are in complete agreement. :D
coreygames 2 years ago
@darthgrahf
"state-enforced secularism"
?
boyinthedrain 1 year ago
@boyinthedrain Banning religion from the public sector and raising hell if someone so much as mentions the word "God" in them because a few people are too easily offended.
darthgrahf 1 year ago
@darthgrahf
So which religion should the public sector support?
And if you think people raise hell by mentioning God, try running for an office and say you are an atheist
By the way, separating church and state isn't such a bad thing. It means there are freedoms to worship or not worship how you please
When Government starts to favor one over the other, it gets messy
boyinthedrain 1 year ago
@They should support all religions. Also, what is wrong with a religious exterior decoration like the Ten Commandments outside a courtroom or a Nativity scene outside a City Hall? Do people actually think the government is going to use religious law against them or in their favor when it's expressed in the Constitution that we do not establish a state religion?
darthgrahf 1 year ago
@darthgrahf
What about those of us who don't support ANY religion?
I frankly don't care about a Nativity scene or something like that. To me that isn't offensive.
And I don't REALLY care about the 10 Commandments as a decoration. But I would much rather see something reflecting the constitution or our wonderful country rather than middle eastern folklore that has no basis in morality nor liberty
By the way, 60% of the 10 Commandments are crap. I'd rather see a quality recipe then that tripe
boyinthedrain 1 year ago
@boyinthedrain Does the US constitution contain logical universal morality for all human beings? I'm not testing you I'm genuinely asking. It would seem that nationalism can be as dangerous as religion.
BrainInSkull 1 year ago
@BrainInSkull
Nope. It is a foundation for a republic. I agree that Nationalism can be as dangerous as religion. Anytime you say BLANK is always right no matter what, you are dancing on dangerous ground.
However a constitution can be ammended. The Word of a supposed God is final
boyinthedrain 1 year ago
@boyinthedrain Before religion, nationalism and race we are faced with the fact that biologically we are the same creature. So if there is such a thing as human morality it would logically need to apply to all people. Otherwise it falls under opinion. I like chocolate you like strawberry etc. God and politics have failed miserably in this area. They have only divided the species even more.
BrainInSkull 1 year ago
@boyinthedrain no gods word isnt , as you can see with the many different versions of christianily and islam and jews that dont agree on the laws of god.. God changes every century
DBZass 8 months ago
@DBZass god changes in every century
DBZass 8 months ago
@DBZass
I wonder who THIS centuries god will be
boyinthedrain 8 months ago
@darthgrahf
And by all religions... does that mean every denomination? Does that mean every cult?
And what if the religion supports something that should be illegal?
Like, for example, Christian Scientist families who don't take their kids to the hospital when they get sick.
Child services should take those kids away... but we already have too much respect for religion in this country
Rabbis who give STDs to babies are protected... because we can NEVER say anything bad about religion
boyinthedrain 1 year ago
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darthgrahf 1 year ago
I do agree that the ones you mentioned belong in prison. All I'm saying is, these religious symbols or references in the public sector are no cause to get a heart attack unless they are literally enforced on the people. Why do you think they did away with school sponsored prayer in public schools? The word "God" in the pledge, I agree is unconstitutional. However, my allegiance with the US is to the country and the Constitution, not to a piece of cloth.
darthgrahf 1 year ago
@darthgrahf
I think you and I are in agreement on some things.
I don't really care about symbolism
They can hang a giant cross in the congress for all I care as long as the Constitution is upheld
Reality always trumps symbols for me
boyinthedrain 1 year ago
@darthgrahf Isn't a country just a geographical concept? If the constitution contains universal morality shouldn't it not matter where it's practiced?
BrainInSkull 1 year ago
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The most intelligent and educated people I have ever known have been Christians from Oxford, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Cambridge, etc. In fact, all those schools were founded by Christians. And the first 123 colleges in the US were founded by Christians. Intelligent and educated people are NOT atheists. The most scholarly and educated people I have ever known have been Orthodox bishops. Atheists don't know anything about them. Atheists are ignorant.
Apologist117 2 years ago
Oh yeah. Your anecdotal evidence counts so much. Also, all of those universities were founded centuries ago. Whether or not their founders were Christians is irrelevant.
Dan7Bow 2 years ago
Apologist117
Yo momma is ignorant bitch
nikohyman 2 years ago
@Apologist117
the bias in your arguement is easily detectable
buzzpotter1234567890 2 years ago
omg lol run for ur life!
Matenadadypantie 2 years ago
Whether you want to continue to assert this falsehood that Atheism is somehow a religion, when it clearly is not as I've demonstrated over and over again here is moot. I don't believe in God. Whether you or anybody else wants to label me as atheist is up to you, but you and your opinion on the word do not dictate what I think, feel, or believe. I would know if I was in a religion. I'm not, nor do I want to be, and none of your bald faced lies and assertions are going to change that fact.
BiggestOfDaddies 2 years ago
backgammonnn123, I would like to mention that your approach to this topic is ignorant and dishonest at best. Every single argument you offer is loaded with logical fallacies from ad hominem attacks to appeals to authority to appeals to emotion, etc. None of which are proof of anything. Calling people idiots and morons serves to not only discredit you, but shut off the ears of anyone who might be willing to listen. You could use some major lessons in tact if you wish to be taken seriously.
BiggestOfDaddies 2 years ago
daddies, you just threw a whole paragraph in that said absolutely nothing about the facts at hand. I would suggest for you to go and visit william craigs site and see why the top atheists in the world are afraid to debate him and why I reduced to to writing paragraphs stating absolutely nothing.
Now go back to high school and leave the juicy facts of this subject to the more knowledgable people.
backgammonnn123 2 years ago
First of all you know nothing, and I don' tneed to convince you, but the remainder of anyone who might read this drivel of yours. Secondly, I posted this as an FYI (hence the "I would like to mention"..you know, as a side note). You're not making any cases for anything, but only making logical fallacies and until you stop doing that, no one is going to take you seriously.
My goal here is not to convince you, but to show the counter to this uneducated assertion that you call proof.
BiggestOfDaddies 2 years ago
daddies you have shown nothing at all . You have stated in your biased ways that my assertions are logical fallcies which only you are believing here.
back to teh fine tuning theory
backgammonnn123 2 years ago
My ways are biased, but yours are enlightened and informed? Please! Yes, they are logical fallacies. Don't believe me, look them up. Ad Hominem attacks? That's not what you were doing? Appeals to authority = Flew converted, so should I. This is textbook debunking and you've offered nothing on the way of actual proof of anything.
As for the fine tuning theory...beats the hell out of me. I am admittedly ignorant on this particular theory. Try looking up alternate POV for yourself. They're there.
BiggestOfDaddies 2 years ago
Here you go again putting words in my mouth. I do have a faith in god also but I also have compelling evidence that points towards a creator. All of your responses were never meant to deal with the issues in an unbiased way, but to try to find a way to turn support your biased beliefs. This is why from waht I have seen from you , that you are an atheist that believs in the absolute doctrine that god doesnt exist. You can say what you want but your posts show it all.
backgammonnn123 2 years ago
Where is this doctrine? Show me a link to a doctrine of atheism. There is no doctrine of atheism..holy crap man. Are you really this dense? I noticed you didn't dare fill in the blank I gave you. I have remained complete unbiased, I am always will to hear explanations, but when you fill them with logical fallacies, I can automatically dismiss them because they are not sound arguments. I suggest you look up the meaning of "sound" in regards to making arguments, cause you suck at it.
BiggestOfDaddies 2 years ago
I have read a part of dawkins book and I have read doctor craigs rebuttals to every single point dawkins made, and why craig is rightfully so explained why dawkins book is a very unintellectually written book on thsi subject. Have you even studied any of the poiints that craig made on dawkins book? If not we can go through some here and lets see if you are an aobjective atheist or a dogmatic atheist.
backgammonnn123 2 years ago
We will first start with dawkins assumption from his book the god dellusion that since god created such a complex universe that god himself must also be just as complex or even more complex.
Do you want to even go down thsi road daddies. The fact that you follow a dogamtic atheist like dawkins is gonna make thsi super easy. We wont even need to bring up his facist views on how government should take children away from families that teach them about god and religion.
backgammonnn123 2 years ago
I don't "follow" anybody. Dawkins is not the Leader of the atheist community. There is no leader. He just happens to be on of the more popular of the people who speaks on the subject. Frankly, I like what Sam Harris has to say more, but I like Dawkins all the same. Secondly, Dawkins views on religion indoctrinating children is because of people who claim that their children are what they are. He would hold the same belief for atheists who claim their children are atheists, and I would agree.
BiggestOfDaddies 2 years ago
So Craig to you is the end all, say all of any argument? He's just got all the answers huh? I've seen Craig debate, and he's an idiot. I've read his dissertation on Uncaused First Cause, and it's mindbogglingly stupid. You might as well cite Ray Comforts "Banana is the Atheist's Nightmare" argument. I'll be happy to hear Craig's arguments as I always try to hear opposite sides, but so far his track record from what I've seen is not good. So don't be surprised when I'm not convinced.
BiggestOfDaddies 2 years ago
If Craig is an idiot then everyone in the academia (atheists and theists) are wrong and your right.
I pose the question again, do you want to debate the first point I made (and you conveniently ignored before your went on your mindless post tirad) about the god dellusion book. We will now see if that book u read was worth reading or not.
backgammonnn123 2 years ago
I'm aware, and freely admit that Craig is clearly educated. The man has read his shit. But his agenda towards theism sways what he knows to be true and he, like many others, will dishonestly try to squeeze past fallacies in hopes the normal lay person will not catch them. I saw it all throughout his first cause argument, and that's why I dislike him.
Meanwhile, you seem to take his word as though it is Gospel, while ignoring alternate opinions and presentations on the same topic. it's not right.
BiggestOfDaddies 2 years ago
This debate will prove once and for all whether you are a dogmatic atheist as I have always claimed or if your are an honest atheist. So far you have answered everything else but this claim. I wonder why you are dodging this :)))))))))
backgammonnn123 2 years ago
First of all, you've yet to answer my questions at all to this point. You've been doing nothing but dodging my points and questions while asserting lies and ignorance. If you ask me what my opinion is on something, I'll be happy to answer it for you, but so far all you seem to do once I do that, is immediately contradict what I say with some bullshit you pulled out of your ass. Call it a hunch, but I'm assuming regardless of what I say, you will call me "dogmatic atheist" anyway. But we can try.
BiggestOfDaddies 2 years ago
Ok first assumption .Dawkins defines complexity as opposed to simplicity in terms of composition by parts, so it follows that a mind is incredibly simple because a mind doesnt have any parts.
part 2
backgammonnn123 2 years ago
Ok it seems someone is deleting my posts. So much for fair debating. I wouldnt have expected anymore from a video posted by atheists lol
daddies you just got saved
backgammonnn123 2 years ago
I can't tell which ones are, if they are. I mean there are quite a few. The only one capable of deleting posts on here is PiroNiro. If he is in fact deleting your posts, I will say now, that's not cool Piro. Not cool at all.
BiggestOfDaddies 2 years ago
Whats the point . Seems like whoever is deleting my posts is showing me all i need to know about atheism. So much for reasoning and rationalistic thought plus science lol
backgammonnn123 2 years ago
Cry me a fucking river dude. Clearly I was on your side about this. You know how many theists have banned me outright for the mere crime if disagreeing with them? From PCS to GeerUP...Muslimes are really bad about it. This is not an all atheists all the time scenario. You might as well we spouting racial stereotypes at me. Now you wanna talk about this or what? Besides, I still don't see any posts being deleted.
BiggestOfDaddies 2 years ago
So this is it? You're quitting cause....I can't figure out why. Near as I can tell, none of your posts have been deleted. I scrolled through and there are tons of your comments, proving at very least that not "all of your posts have been deleted" as you claim. Frankly, it sounds to me like the equivalent of "I gotta go, my mom's calling me".
if you're gonna turn tail and run, at least say so, but don't hide under something so easily verifiable as "my posts are being deleted". It seems not.
BiggestOfDaddies 2 years ago
What's the point? You were all adamant about this two seconds before this post. What's changed. None of your posts have been deleted that I can see. And if someone did remove a couple (that I can't tell) then whoever it was has stopped and seen the error of his ways. There are far more religious nuts who censor than non-believer. For someone who's 42 years old, you sure act like a child. "He cheated, so now I don't want to play anymore." All while believing in Santa for adults. It's funny really
BiggestOfDaddies 2 years ago 3
I posted a 6 part series twice and all 12 were removed. Anyways you arent going to be able to get my point without the full explanation. Why are you posting an answer without my full statement?
backgammonnn123 2 years ago
I have been here for so long, and the fact that your claiming that im running shows me that you are the dogmatic atheist type. Anyways It seems like these 2 posts will get through but they wont allow me to post teh other responses. Your atheist buddies saved you from the same embarressment that craig gave to dawkins.
backgammonnn123 2 years ago
Sure dude. Of course I couldn't have anything to possibly say of my own on the subject, and you're the all mighty know-it-all with all the answers right? You've figured it all out and you were just going to p0wn me on YouTube. Good for you, as long as you say it enough times, I'm sure you'll start to believe it. The only dogmatic person in this room is you. Dogmatic athiest is a nonsensical term. You may as well be declaring a five sided square. You could just email it to me. It's a thought.
BiggestOfDaddies 2 years ago
I posted cause I thought you were done. I saw the part 2, but didn't see any posts, and was of the impression you had given up. It might be a problem with YouTube...several times I've had posts not go through and emails as well. I can't begin to speculate frankly, but it seems unlikely he would remove all of those, while leaving the first one on. It's more likely that they're simply not going through. But I can't say for sure. It sounds a bit conspiracy theorist of you though.
BiggestOfDaddies 2 years ago
As for this, here is my opinion on what you're saying. The BRAIN we know to be very complex, and while it doesn't have "parts" per say (which it actually does, but for the sake of argument), if not "parts", it is segmented off in many regions with many independent functions. Not to mention, the BRAIN is itself a "part" of the human body, which is very complex. Dawkins uses the term "parts", imo, as a way of simplifying the overall concept for the not-quite-so-educated who will read his book.
BiggestOfDaddies 2 years ago
Again, iI brought up flew not to show you why u should convert but to show you why the ex leader of atheism, who happens to know a whole hell of alot better then you converted to believing in god and he even stated those reasons.
If you are an unbiased atheist you would research his reasons and explain why you dont agree with him, instead of bring up assumption of why I posted about flew in here. Stop insterting inuendos when there never were any.
backgammonnn123 2 years ago
It doesn't matter why flew converted to atheism. Guys like Francis Collins is a scientist who became a Christian because he saw a frozen waterfall, segmented in three columns, and it reminded him of the holy trinity. A completely irrational reason to believe anything. I'll be happy to look at them, but it doesn't mean that I'm going to change my mind just cause he thinks so. While I look at him, why don't you go read the "God Delusion" or "God is not Great" and see if you change your mind.
BiggestOfDaddies 2 years ago
Francis collins conversion is a whole different story. Flew explained why he went with the evidence and said that explanations for the creation of teh universe pointed compellingly to a god(an intelligent creator).
As for definition, please check any dictionary online. You can start with the merriam webster dictionary.
backgammonnn123 2 years ago
My point is it doesn't matter what Flew's reasons are. I will look at them objectively just for curiosities sake, but there is no proof for the existence of God. At best there are few postulated hypothesis that might make people wonder, but they always, but always, are flawed. If there ever were sound evidence that proved god's existence, it would be EVERYWHERE. Nobody would not know about it, and Craig, if he's the one who came up with it, would become the single most well known celeb on earth.
BiggestOfDaddies 2 years ago
I realize that it might sound strange to you , but william craig has nothing new to offer in terms of debate. He sounds more reasonable than many , I'll give you that, but he still relies on logical fallacies, emotional appeals and other nonsense(we can discuss it in details if you wish). Nobody is afraid of him, as far as I know. I think your "afraid" statement is an example of a theist thinking - it seems for you statement is true as soon as you make it, no evidence required.
cheburashka1326 2 years ago 2
Christianity is not a monotheistic religion.
The Tanakh says that "YHWH" (bbh!) is not a man, that He should lie.
Christian scriptures say the Creator became a man and then MAYBE "God" (again, I guess).
Clearly the "god" of the Christians is not the same deity as the one described in the Tanakh. Even their names are different and readers are told that it is only under the respective name of each that a person can be delivered/saved.
IWannabeJew 2 years ago
I think that king abdullahs suggestion makes perfect sense, as I have seen this new wave of militant atheism and its like poison. They call themselves intellectuals but in reality their top leaders like dawkins are intellectual deceievers. Dawkins himself is absolutely frightened to debate with an intellectual theist like doctor william lane craig over dawkins own book the god dellusion. Can you blame dawkins after craig just absolutely destroyed the other atheist moron Hitchens in their debate
backgammonnn123 2 years ago
I used to debate other religions but after seeing militant atheism in action, I saw true extremism. They are rude, they are rediculing and also once you do nail them on evidence for gods existence like doctor criag has done to so many atheists they simply either stop debating him or switch the subject.
Atheism contrary to what atheists believe isnt the true intelligencia in the academic community. Their leader dawkins is a coward just as they are to face the truth.
backgammonnn123 2 years ago
Dr. Craig does NOT have evidence for God. I guarantee it. If for some reason you think he has, email me a link to this supposed evidence and I will promptly explain to you exactly why it's bullshit. I promise it is.
BiggestOfDaddies 2 years ago 2
You cant promply explain anything. The fine tuning argument, the first cause argument, the historicity of the resurrection argument. There are many compelling piece of evidences that lean towards gods existence and absolutely nothing that leans towards the nopn existence of god. If god didnt have any evidence for gods existence then your atheist grand leader dawkins wouldnt be cowering away underneath some rock like a rat. Hitchens at least has some balls to get his smackdown by doctor craig.
backgammonnn123 2 years ago
First of all, your grammar sucks? You couldn't be more backwards. There is NO evidence for God. Period, end of story. Were there ever to be actual evidence, rather than the opinion based assertions, predicated on ignorance and hearsay you claim as evidence (it's not), the person to present it would become the single most famous man on the planet. The world would stop where it stands so people could become aware of this breathtaking new discovery. Hate to tell you, but it hasn't happened.
BiggestOfDaddies 2 years ago
Just because a force is invisible doesnt mean it doesnt have clues to its existence. You are a typical atheist making blanket statements without much to back it up. Trying reading up on your FORMER leader flew who is now on our side
GOD BLESSSSSS
backgammonnn123 2 years ago
If you're responding to me, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
I am not an atheist.
You can't fight an invisible enemy.
IWannabeJew 2 years ago 2
Great! So demonstrate God please, collect your Nobel prize, and usher us into a world of Christian Utopia the likes of which we've never seen. Unless you can't demonstrate God.
BiggestOfDaddies 2 years ago 2
biggestdads, You seem to be even less educated then your former leaders. No less then the greatest atheistic leader of the 20th century debated doctor craig many years ago and of course lost the debate but instead of being in denial like a retard like you is, he admitted that craig won because he was right and flew had to FOLLOW THE EVIDENCE,
Guess what idiot? the greatest atheist leader of the intellectual atheist community now believes in god. You see how dumb atheist sheep like u are?
backgammonnn123 2 years ago
First of all, go look up the logical fallacy "appeal to authority". To spell it out for you, it doesn't matter what Anthony Flew or Richard Dawkins thinks about one subject or the other. That doesn't change the validity of the claim. Second, Anthony Flew became a deist..not a Christian. He specifically compared God to Saddam Hussein once. So you've now proved you're ignorant and a liar.
I for one take great pride in being called a fool, by the foolish (that's you by the way).
BiggestOfDaddies 2 years ago 3
Bigdaddy, its a great attempt for you to deviate from the original argument that flew believed in gods existence. The evidence is just too strong and instead of admitting that the evidence is too strong you go off on tangients.
Typical militant atheist.
Lets keep u on the subject of why flew feels that god exists?
Trying to appeal to emotions wont change the question. Ill ask again to you since you appear brain dead. Why did flew suddenly started to believe in god.
backgammonnn123 2 years ago
Also flews comment about god being comparing to saddam were made many years back. If you view a recent video of him on youtube he seems to have nothing but respect and admiration in christianity and jesus christ. Again , a typical atheist militant that cherry picks peoples quotes and doesnt take into effect that people can learn and evolve their opinions over time which is what flew seems to be doing.
Bigdaddy your biased atheistic garbage doesnt fool anyone in here.
Answer the question
backgammonnn123 2 years ago
King Abdullah is a moron!
mihai1991 2 years ago
It's like the formation of a theistic Legion of Doom XD
theGreenGoblin 2 years ago 3
The only legion of doom is the so called rational response squad who like most atheists spread false intellectual propaganda about religion. If you really want the truth about how cruel and destructive atheism is talk to stalin, talk to pol pot, talk to mao, talk to lenin and talk to hitler. The rational response squad will only debate uneducated theists like kirk cameron. If they debated doctor craig he would wipe the floor with them and make them look like you atheists here.
backgammonnn123 2 years ago
Hitler was catholic, actually. The Nazi regime was covered in crosses and their motto was "Gott Mit Uns" which translates to "God with us".
The difference though between Hitler and the rest of those guys is that the rest of them didn't use their atheism to justify their behavior like Hitler used his Christianity to justify his. ANYONE trying to justify the belief of an invisible unknowable entity is going to have an uphill battle in a debate. Primarily because it CAN'T be proven.
theGreenGoblin 2 years ago 2
Actually he wasnt at all and he went against all catholic beliefs. He even said he wanted to wipe out christianity from the face of teh earth. He was a pure atheist dictator who was as superstitious as atheists are ignorant.
One of atheisms most powerful men in flew switched over from atheism to believing in god, and when he was asked why he made the conversion he answered" because all of the evidence pointed to gods existence"
backgammonnn123 2 years ago
No. He wanted to wpe JEWS off the face of the earth. He onsidered himself Catholic and attended mass weekly up to his death. I'm not saying he represented the best of what teh Roaman Catholic Church had to offer, nor that his genocide is tolerated by the church. But to deny that he used his own religion to sway the masses is to deny reality. I mean, Hitler was a vegetarian too. Doesn't mean I blame the holocaust on vegetarianism.
theGreenGoblin 2 years ago
Anthony Flew switched from Atheism to Deism. He still doesn't believe in YOUR God. And he has yet to be able to back up his claim. Let me make this simple for you. We don't follow these people religiously. We support them WHEN THEY MAKE SENSE. When Anthony Flew declared that a creator must have existed and didn't back it up with evidence, he ceased making sense. Do you understand?
theGreenGoblin 2 years ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Greengoblin, when atheism loses one of its top leaders of teh 20th centure and then has its top leader dawkins chicken out in a debate to doctor william lane craig,(whose been embarressing atheists intellectually for many years), atheism is basically made up of straw men that are scared to debate their beliefs with the true theist intellectuals of our society. of course this is because atheism is an extremist faith based system that is high on insults and low on logic
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