Female circumcision and other atrocities

[battlestroke7]

Its always the same story with women. Males are circumcised and females are mutilated. What hypocrites you all are. Many of the males you had no concern for are actively supporting this procedure for all women. It should be mandatory for all girls at birth and women to age 35. Then maybe after 60 years women can begin to consider the feelings of children and protect them like a mother should. There is no other way plus there are many health benefits.

[thewaytolove]

Whats the difference between male and female circumcision in the U.S.A? Girls have their rights and bodies protected, and boys DONT! Female Genital Mutilation is just as horrible when it's done to a baby boy! Support the right to choose: end forced genital cutting! circumcisionDOTorg NOCIRCdotORG

[LetArtsLive]

eew that sound horrendous!!

[melodyiskey]

there are some wonderful groups dealing with FGM you can check out... Clitoraid and Child Bride Rescue are less known but very interesting and helpful work...this has haunted me since I read about it over 20 years ago. I pray for these girls daily.

[Loreleila]

Thanks for the info. It's hard reading about it isn't it? Such a needless procedure and suffering.

[frankblame]

as you say its a very evocative subject:

1. when the media starts repeating evocative news items take a closer look because "news" is 50% government informes. (Think iraq and AMD)

2. approx. 1.000.000 children die of starvation every month.

3. desperate situations produce desperate consequences.

[Loreleila]

Much of what is presented as fact is propaganda and spin. I think we'd be appalled if reality was laid out before us. I still want it.

[EnoFrisk]

ALL mutilation of the genitals of children, boys and girls must end!

[Loreleila]

I totally agree.

[christinepeace]

Right on!

[mydarkerself]

this has been something that disturbs me as well...I often think of those children.

and yes...seeing a documentary on it...they showed that it is the family belief system...the mothers and women were the ones in the footage that I saw that do this to their own children and carry on this horrifying tradition. The children are naturally traumatized. Belief systems (not necessarily religious..just basic beliefs) need to change. I'm not sure how manage the solution. Something I ponder at times

[Loreleila]

There have been some women who endured this and then moved to the West who have campaigned for change, brought this to our awareness. I guess our role, if we take it, is to inform. I've been appalled since I put this video how many thought male and female circumsision was the same thing, that there was no harm done to the woman and no loss of sensation or pleasure.

Btw, thanks for your lovely comment on my channel, and for subscribing. :)

[mydarkerself]

Ah you are welcome.... and thank you for your thoughts, knowledge, insight... and channel :)

it is also hard for me to understand how people can inflict pain, see obvious reactions to the pain and still deny it...puzzling. the same i feel about those who do animal testing ie vivisection... I cannot comprehend that mentality...i think of them as 'madmen' (incl women as well...just the term tho)

*sighs* too many atrocities that come to mind, still going on in the world

~peace to all~

[markmywords53]

The reason why it's the mothers who ensure their daughters get cut is that they've benefitted from the procedure themselves, so they're keen for their daughters to enjoy it too.

[Loreleila]

Enjoy? You really have no idea at all, do you?

[mydarkerself]

u r obviously trying to be funny - unfortunately it's hard to laff at little girls getting their privates cut off with dirty instruments & no anesthesia...i don't know...maybe it's just me.

[psandbergnz]

Note there are many forms of FGM in addition to the radical form you describe (cliterodectomy).

In Indonesia, usually the clitoris is left intact with only the female foreskin cut (like MGM). Of course, ALL forms of FGM are rightly banned in the the "West".

Now to male circumcision (MGM): fully 65% of American baby boys are STILL subjected to this. Most babies are not anesthetised, since they are vulnerable to anaesthetic side effects. It is HIGHLY traumatic.

Shame on USA hypocrisy!

[Loreleila]

Thanks for the info. I fail to understand how anyone can feel it acceptable to cut any child in such a manner without anaesthetic, whatever their gender.

[psandbergnz]

Loreila, in the USA, baby circumcisions are commonly performed without anaesthesia. However, it is quite common to smear EMLA cream anaesthetic over the baby's genitals prior to the op. This gives slight pain relief (a cream penetrates poorly).

Apart from the cutting, the baby's foreskin has to be prised off his glans (since in infancy both tissues are fused) - very painful!

But why perform this unnecessary mutilation of healthy tissue without the owner of the body's informed consent?!

[Loreleila]

'But why perform this unnecessary mutilation of healthy tissue without the owner of the body's informed consent?!'

I couldn't agree more. The whole thing is quite mysterious to me, why anyone might wish to inlfict such a thing on anyone, let alone a defenceless baby.

[dantemdmc123]

What you said at the start of your crap speach

was a load of shit,you can not compare female circumcision too cutting off a guys dick. The only way you could make that comparison is by stitching a girls crack up altogeather.Than neither can have intercourse.

[Loreleila]

It's hard to know how to respond to this. You are so ill onformed about the nature of this procedure and clearly have no desire to know or understand. Remove all pleasure centres from a man, then you have something comparable.

[alittlebitofperil]

dantemdmc123, they DO in the most advanced form of female circumcision, sew the crack right up so that there is a hole only large enough to pee and menstruate out of. (this also apparently means she stays a virgin for her husband) Clitoris, labia minora and majora are all removed. No human, male or female should be subjected to this. female circumcision (the advanced kind) is EXACTLY the same as it would be to cut off a guys dick. and balls.

[dantemdmc123]

alittlebitofperil. Well I agree with you on one thing, no one should be subjected to this kind of treatment. But even if that procedure is carried out on a woman, not all is lost, because she is still able to reproduce. But if you think that cutting off a guys dick and balls compares to a female circumcision, than you carn't think.

[alittlebitofperil]

dantemdmc123 - I can think perfectly well thanks. A penis is the SAME as a clitoris - the only difference being that the clitoris is for sexual pleasure ONLY. (and size obviously) A lot of women cannot reproduce BECAUSE of their circumcisions - not to mention will never feel sexual pleasure. I do'nt see how you can see any bright side to that. It is a crime against human kind.

[leftysergeant]

I find myself having to explain this concept a little more frequently than I would like because I sometimes work at a job which requires some knowledge of Islam and Arabic culture. There is a common misconception that Islam requires it, but never has anyone shown me any ahadith which mention it, and it is definitely not in the Q'uran. It seems to have originated with pagan religions and crept into some Muslim communities. But some of the strongest activists against it are Muslim women.

[Loreleila]

Thank you for that. Very interesting and informative.

[glitchesandglitter]

male circumcision happens in the U.S. every day and it too is mutilation.

[Loreleila]

I know. watch?v=PI-1J7H4LiA

[HidenMakimono]

... by the way, do you know what light is ? use some on your vid it is too dark

[Loreleila]

You're probably right. I use differing effects to add to what I'm trying to say. Some like it, some hate it, but it's me. Take it or leave it.

[nikitova]

If we are indeed created by GOD, who is recognized, by all religions to be perfect.... Than what gives ANY human being the right to correct GODS creation, by altering males or females bodies.

[Loreleila]

Indeed. And mutilating children in the name of that God. Weird doesn't even begin to cover it.

[HidenMakimono]

In Africa, Christian are doing exactly the same.. Jesus

[KenBuDO]

.. you wanna put a stop to it !!

Thousands of people are killed everyday from different causes... and you're talkin CLITORIS

[Loreleila]

You won't mind me coming and removing your grnitalia with a rusty knife then.

[HidenMakimono]

so you dont mind people killed around the world , weapons sold, landmines maiming thousands every year... your brain is down there..okay

[Loreleila]

Of course I don't want people killed. So one shouldn't talk of anything else other than that then? Why does this topic threaten you?

[HidenMakimono]

Not at all.. You seem to take any comments where you wan it to be:Your purpose is to attack their religion and traditions.mind you there are christian tribes in Africa and Australia that practice this too .I have a feeling you are a racist, if not then stop attacking and offer solutions

[Loreleila]

I am not attacking anyone. That appears to be your preserve. I am certainly not in a position to have the answer to everything, but am trying to raise awareness, that in itself is hopefully going to make some small difference. Humanity behaves badly, whether it ascribes it to religion or anything else. You have taken one comment out of context and made huge and incorrect assumptions.

[asteroids123]

no one should play 'god' & mutilate either gender's "hood". let the child decide when they can make a decision or become adult. if the mother messes with her son's, then the father of this mother should also remove her "hood".

[Loreleila]

Thanks for your comment. However, it might be helpful for you to read up on female circumsision. It is removal of the entire clitoris, so is quite different from male circumsicion (which doesn't make that right either, but it is good to know the facts).

[AmyRoseXOXOXO]

You should read Possessing The Secret Of Joy. This book addresses this very issue.

[markmywords53]

I don't think female circumcision is necessarily as bad a thing as you suggest. Women don't have to be able to climax to enjoy sex, indeed it could be said that they enjoy it more emotionally and in terms of tenderness when that aspect is taken away.

As for the sewing up, it's a great way to reduce or remove the possibility of premarital and extramarital sex, problems that have plagued Western societies for many years.

[MissBelinha]

Female circmcision not a bad thing? You're one sick person. I've seen your similiar comments posted on other videos. Do the world a favor get some pychological help!!

You obviously can't satisfy women so you think the problem is women having an intact clitoris.

[Loreleila]

Thanks for commenting. For some reason I missed the comment above. It's so absurd as to seem like a joke.

[Loreleila]

Is this a serious comment? Good grief.

[compassionateman]

I know so many of my American contemporaries who think cutting a girl's clitoral hood off is horrible, but then they go cut off their boy's glans hood without a second thought.

Hopefully one day, we will live in a world that protects children of all genders(male, female, and intersex) from having parts of their genitalia amputated without their consent.

[Loreleila]

Indeed,its strange how the two don't connect in people's minds. Mutilation is not helpful, period. Though in a female circumcision the entire clitoris is removed, so the procedures are not quite the same.

You make an interesting point as regards to intersex children, which is at least as brutal, if not more so. Why does one have to fit into one of two categories in order to be acceptable? To have a gender assigned, and not even be consulted? Humanity can be very odd.

[Juggaloserialeater]

People should not mutilate childrens genitals, male or female...its a horrific act..

[izawhtthng4]

dumb ass my penis is circumcised and it has no feeling and painfull and sex is almost redickuless and boring so dont give me that shit about females laws pertect your ass not mine

[Loreleila]

*scratches head in bemusement*

[narkfly]

the terms 'circumcision' and 'genital mutilation' are synonymous. in both cases (female and male), the most sexually stimulating tissue is removed, which seems to stem from the superstitious belief that by removing a majority of stimulation from sex, promiscuity will be minimized. *all* genital mutilation should be stopped - ignorance and consequent custom/ceremony seems to be the cause, so my suggestion for correction would be education.

[narkfly]

i know regrowth/restoration of foreskin and clitoral tissue is possible through surgical means, and i know it's possible with the foreskin through non-surgical, but i don't know about clitoral non-surgical. if anyone does know, i'd be interested to read about it.

[narkfly]

forgot to mention - with restoration, although tissue is regrown, it's obviously impossible to regrow the massive amounts of nerves that are lost to mutilation.

[narkfly]

about the child's pain - i think it's obvious to anyone who can hear the child scream that it does feel pain, but i think the stronger argument for non-anesthetized circumcision is that it is not traumatic - doesn't cause lasting, painful memories... which i'm sure is debatable and the degree of its truth is dependent on age and perhaps other factors.

[Loreleila]

Totally debatable. Working as a Hypnotherapist and repeattedly finding preverbal damaging trauma that has sunk way beyond conscious awareness, rather working on the individual and causing problems without apparent cause I know only too well these things don't just go away. And anyway, why would anyone want to cause a young child such pain in their most intimate centre, often in public? It's perverted.

[narkfly]

agreed. i think the entire debate is simplified by simply stating that any and all genital mutilation is reprehensible. you don't have to worry about any pain felt by a child if you don't cause any. the only exceptions i can really see are surgeries that are necessary when complications arise - a custom or a ridiculous arbitrary decision is a terrible reason to hurt a child.

[Loreleila]

Yes, education is a start, so maybe I'm doing a little something here, if it's watched. One of the reasons I made this was because ignorance about what it actually is seemed to be appalling; and a head in the sand attitude rife. I know it's not a pleasant thing to think about, but I'm sure it's a whole lot less pleasant than to have to live a lifetime of its results. I may make a brief follow up, making and discussing this has given me pause for thought myself.

[narkfly]

as one who has lived a lifetime with genital mutilation, i have asked a lot of questions about my parents and the culture that said it was okay. i don't see a point in differentiating between which gender is mutilated. i think there should be equal rights as far as genital sovereignty is concerned.

[Loreleila]

I agree with you in essence, the whole thing is appalling. I suppose the difference I see is that the gift of pleasurable intimacy or indeed self pleasure is lost for a woman who has suffered such mutliation, whereas a man can still enjoy such things. But yes, why the Hell the majority of American males have been butchered in such a way is a mystery to me.

[AmyRoseXOXOXO]

I think even more than minimizing promiscuity, the men in these cultures are terrified of the power a womans sexuality so they must destroy it.

[Loreleila]

I'm sure you're right. I feel a lot of female power has been sublimated in most societies through all sorts of means, fortunately not all quite as barbaric is this.

[VooDaicShaman]

I feel it might be that but, I a would like to learn more about to it before I start making my ideas on it. Other than the book mentioned above what would you suggest that I read on it?

[Loreleila]

There was an amazing book by a woman who became an international model but had suffered this. I found it a powerful but upsetting book, her autobiography. I've just discovered in searching for the details for you she died a couple of months ago. Waris Dirie, she wrote several books. I'd recommend them.

[nadiaTeeze]

It should be referred to as mutilation in my thinking. Even if it were in a hospital situation I don't see the reason to try to remove a woman's ability to enjoy sex.. but what about the 40% of women who have internal orgasms??

How to help? I donate to women via Kiva org to help them have their own businesses. Female empowerment in general.

[Loreleila]

I agree, it isn't a 'procedure', it is indeed mutilation. It really has little to do with the type of orgasm you have (and I think a lot of that is confused by most anyway). When you've been hacked to pieces and then sewn so tight you can't even get a little finger in it is pain you will seek to avoid, rathar than pleasure to be had. I wonder how female empowerment in general might work from us over here, Awareness is a start perhaps.

[Barklord]

Supexcellency has recently made a video on a similar topic of correlating sin/shame with female masturbation to control sexuality. Normally I disagree with his religious views but on that topic I couldn't agree more.

[Loreleila]

Thanks. I'll see if I can find it.But if you're saying what it seems you would apply this to many so called 'moralistic' restrictions as well. I wonder why controlling female sexuality seems so important to all but the most natural of religions; or if indeed religion is simply a cover up for a deeper fear.