The Republican Party is not and never has been a party of the people. The Republican Party is an arm of big business that gains constituents by claiming ownership of emotionally charged issues that appeal to weak minded individuals that can only consider one or two issues at a time.
Congress has promised to pass neutralizing legislation to corp. spending, but I have yet to hear of anything specific. The public will have to learn to change our mindset so TV ads inform us of who NOT to vote for.
@ArianaJollee1 This is not helping the debate... I would be more willing to agree with you if you said fuck all mid-west and southern republicans, but REAL conservatives and republicans actually have decent and common sense solution to some problems.... the problem is there aren't many REAL conservatives OR republicans anymore...
The RWers on the Supreme Court have been too political negating our voting rights. They got away with making sure Bush was put into office negating all our votes. Justice Roberts violated his oath of office and lied to the Senate when he was approved for office. To lie to the people and their representatives is a felony. He also committed perjury. Impeach him for treason and law breaking.
The other four on the court should be impeached too.
Roberts is a corporately owned clone who cares about the richest 1% -- the Corporations that are super big monopolies that Government and the Justices should protect us from but instead are in bed with. System cannot work as long as this is so.
I agree. We don't have Capitalism since that system relies on competition and innovation. We have huge, international monopolies who declare they answer to no ones laws. All they care about is their bonuses and pension
Their CEOs take our tax dollars and live like kings. They call us lazy and uneducated.
At least the old robber barons were Americans and invested in America.
@prodigy00073 same sort of thing; only voting individuals should be allowed to affect what happens in America. Not superwealthy anyone...in other words no buying an office. Win it on merit. I know it sounds fari and right but Congress too is 100% corrupt. Both sides. They are owned.
Also, just so folks know....it's not all that uncommon to request briefing and argument on overruling a case.
Normally, lawyers will base their arguments on previous precedents, assuming that the precedents will stand. If, however, the Justices think a precedent will be overturned (and the parties have not fully argued why or why not that should occur, the possible implications of it, etc., or there are other un-argued issues), they will request a briefing and re-argument.
Corporations are not persons; they've been granted a degree of legal protections that persons have, but they're still not 'people.' If you were asked what it means to be a human, a person, I would bet the first thing that would enter your mind is vastly different than a business structure, thankfully.
That is right; corporations are not humans. However, they have been granted rights under the first amendment. And, although a "corporation" signs a check, presumably some human person decided how that money should be spent, thus "spen[ding] their money to support whatever political message or politician they want."
I was pointing out the fact that this dude is scared about people (directly or indirectly) expressing their political views, which I'm not sure is something to be scared about
With respect, corporations DO have rights under the First Amendment. I was merely acknowledging that, not arguing for it.
I understand WHY Congress passed the law: they thought corporate & union money had too much influence on politics.
But I also understand WHY the Court thinks this may violate the First Amendment (contrary precedent notwithstanding): the First Amendment prohibits Congress from abridging the Freedom of Speech, and this act seems to abridge the Freedom of Speech.
That's silly, no one is forcing anyone to watch a message put out by corporations. And the issue isn't about funding candidates. No one is stopping you from earning your own money and using it to make your own political message. Why do you hate freedom?
if you don't believe that the first amendment comes at a cost when it comes to politics in this day and age, you are about as naiive as they come. why don't you actually read the laws that have been mentioned before you begin think like you know what you are talking about?
if it was so bad that laws had to be enacted, then out of NOWHERE a justice says "create an argument so the supreme court has to overturn something", you don't find that troubling?
Pardon; I didn't quite catch what you were saying. Are you saying that the First Amendment comes with a cost...as in we all have to give something up (say, for example, putting up with corporations corrupting politicians) in order to maintain freedom of speech for all? Or, are you saying that the First Amendment must yield in some instances in this day and age in order to procure some greater good?
I'd be happy to respond, just didn't quite catch what you were saying.
the First Amendment is not free. corporations spend a lot of money to make sure YOU get THEIR message. flesh and blood americans don't have the money to compete with an entire industry's political message. regular americans (not the bricks and mortar kind) should be in full support or mccain/feingold. those who aren't are playing favorites.
limit campaign donations to $10,000 per person and be done with it. the founding fathers did not want congressmen to be wholly owned by business.
I agree; the First Amendment is not free. We all have to tolerate what we DON'T like so that we are free to support what we DO like. Putting up with "bad" speech is the cost of the First Amendment...that's why it is not free!
I guess I'm not understanding your use of the phrase. What do you see as the cost of the First Amendment, and how does stifling corporate speech reflect that cost?
I get your policy point...but not how it relates to the First Amendment.
the cost of the First Amendment is the dollars and cents price americans have to pay in order to exercise it. if they can't actually pay the cost, only a certain "group" of "american citizens" get to effectively exercise their freedom of speech. if corporations are restricted (ideally eliminted) from political campaigns, the voices of real americans can be heard.
the caveat: those voices have to be listened to, whether you like them or not.
If the court has their way with this then...well there continues the downfall of the united states, and some catastrophe in 2012 sounds even more plausible.
hehe. Libs are scared toi death of corperate involvement at this level. The corps will go for the congress critter that removes taxes and restrictions on them.
You're absolutely Right and in that world, if you ain't AT LEAST a corporate VP, you might as well hang it up for your individual rights. If you happen to get in between what the corporations want and what you need ... God help you.
I'm glad - for a number of reasons (Palin, his age, his party, etc.) - that McCain didn't become President, but it seems in this clip that he is demonstrating more testicular fortitude than the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. But I probably shouldn't be surprised at that.
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TYT still shoveling manure to their braindead leftist minions. Corporate money not allowed in politics since 1907? How freaking STUPID are you? Corporations pile more money into politics, EVENLY TO BOTH REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS, than any other source. If you want to see which party is really tied to corporations, look into the insidious connections between the Obama administration and corporations like Goldman Sachs and GE.
You need to rewatch the video because that's not what Cenk Uygur said. He never claimed that there had been no coporate money involved in politics since 1907. Listen to everything he says.
The issue at hand on the 'Hilary Movie' Case is that it would allow corporations and unions to directly fund campaign advertisements. Enabling corporate fascism to a degree not seen since the 19th century.
this is so obvious that republicans are sooooooo vexed that obama had such incredible private campaign contributions that NOW they want to use their own corporate Geppetto's to turn their ridiculous failures around....
they fucked up and they need to deal with it... stop the bullshit and get back to helping the REAL country not some Christian right fringe....
That would be very bad if that judgement gets overturned. We as a people need to stop that unintellegent ruling! Good for McCain! I will give him props on that issue. If we can not do it I hope at least 2 of the judges swing left on this judgement, but it may seem doubtful.
Yes, a traitor of the evil empire! A hero who went against his own party to stand up for the rights and needs of the people, the constitution, and the American way! HooHaw!
heh, yeah, I was messing with you. I get your point. It was totally political on McCain's part. He lost support on both sides during the election. It was so disastrous, in fact, that I don't doubt it actually hurt his career. This is an excellent way to salvage his reputation by coming out guns a-blazing on something that most americans will probably agree on.
Judicial activism? Hmmm... Isn't that what the republicans wereaccusing Sotomayor was going to do in the future if she got to the Supreme Court? Where they now when this guy does it? Like he actually does it not we are speculating in the future she will do it... Where is the real outrage? So only fake outraged at fantasy scenarios of doom's day but nothing when a fiasco is about to happen?
Corporations are not individuals. Corporations are persons, which is a legal fiction which may live indefinitely. Sovereign Individuals die...their companies outlive them.
Companio. L. compes (fetters,chains) ani(ring) Companio were Jews who were bonded to a vasal of Rome. So, literally "chained to the ring of the pope".
Rome designs it so that it gets it both ways...and you get it coming at you from both directions.
OVERTURN CORPS STATUS AS A PERSON. only good i see that could come from this is that the S.Court actually wakes up and rules against a "Corporation" is as a "person" under the 14th amendment, which the corporate nazi's say somehow gives corps the same rights as a natural person. unless the supreme court tells us next that corps have a right to vote. but i wouldnt be surprised at this point because some are obviously corporate shills.
You guys really, REALLY need to rein in your government a little. They're not even pretending that they're not owned, bought, sold, and traded like stocks by the corporations. At this rate, by 2020, Politicians will start wearing lapel pins and jackets sporting the names of their corporate sponsors, just like Nascar. Instead of voting for President Jack Johnson or Senator John Jackson, you'll be voting for Governor AIG and Congressman Haliburton.
Great points. People need to pay attention to what's really going on. While everyone was getting all worked up over Sotomayor's ethnicity real bullshit is about to go down.
McCain would have been a viable option as president if he had not chosen Palin as his running mate. But then, McCain was never meant to be president, he was chosen by his party because he was very clearly not a match for Obama. The republican party did not want to inherit the problems left behind by Bush, they wanted a Democrat to try to fix them, and fail, so they could come back in 2012 and blame him for everything. More to the point, the lobbyists and corporations wanted Obama, not McCain.
there should be a complete ban on union money, but not corporate because corporations are made of CITIZENS the employees work for the company whose beliefs they support so it will cut down on a lot of wasteful spending to just have corporations support moral, conservative, pro-american canidates
you know all you people who are scared of socialism should take a good look at where we are right now, it is not socialism it is corporatism and it is much more frightening than socialism
The real enemy is not liberals or conservatives but the large multi-national corporations who run the world.
Bill Moyers had a interview between two layers that are arguing this case.
I like the argument against the motion that the first amendment protection should not apply to corporations since corporations are a unnatural entity created by the state for economic purposes.
If a corporation can't vote, why should it have a say?
Hell yeah! McCain is a fantastic legislator, and one of the greats in the Senate, no doubt. He positioned himself as a lousy potential president, of course... it's important to keep the nukes out of his hands, I think.
The RCC has the swing vote on the Supreme Court. You're going to see many 'unprecedented' changes in the near future.
Thats not 'bigotry'...thats just the repetition of History.
Hmmmm, I wonder what could have happened that got the Church kicked out of Japan and many other countries through History? Japan survived until they were forced to let 'Europeans' back in.
The German Republic survived until the Roman Austrian Nazis got inserted in '33.
Wow GO McCain! I'd say it looks like the system is nearly broken and just on the verge of being completely unable to serve the will of the people, but it is encouraging to see some politians to stand against this shit. I don't beleive McCain was the better choice for President but he is a good Senator. You gotta give credit where credit is due, he stood up for the American people on this issue.
Judge Robert's is a facist? A system like that will likely break down and they will have to bring the troops home to prevent a war over here. i still don't see the day coming when i can actually go see a doctor that is not pushng vaccines. Of course, my example of how insurance operates in Liberty Mutual. They have commercial for credibility, but to me they have minus 500,000 tons of credibility and i would never ever do buisiness with them even with Workman's comp. Never ever ever ever!!!
"If they do now. Hey hey" The whole point is that they don't now. They don't now at all. How much less could they support us. if you and others need this law to be stricken to understand the facts as they already are, then I hope they overturn the law.
i found this kind of disgusting. What if you have a 401 k, you have no idea where your money is being invested in unless you really study that stuff. And then you dont know what corp. you've invested in is donating to who, meaning candidates you dont support. This is DIRTY
Why don't we just call the Country McAmerica or Walstates ... I feel like I'm trapped in a shitty Robocop movie ... with out the cool cyborgs ... what the F@$K is going on here!
LOL! Ill stick to my own country, thats or sure. I am sure we will last a few more decades before we are McNorway, but the neocon party is now pretty large, above 20%. ITs a socialist democratic coalition running the show now, but if the start bickering the neocon party and the right wing party may join forces and we are fucked. They want to privatize everything.
I don't buy the socialist tag ... America has drifted so far right that "EVERYONE" else in the world looks left to us ... The fact that things are happening in Europe is foreshadowing. Given the fact that the same giant multi-national corporations are in every country ... I'm coming to the belief there are no countries ... just illusions of countries ... we're just a bunch of markets.
True. In parliament now a coalition of the center party, the workers party (labor), and the socialist party holds power. Both the labor and center party is considered center, and the socialist party is considered slighly to the left. We have 2 other parties more to the left then them, the red party (communist) and the green party, in addition the old communist still exists with their national communist party, but their nearly dead. On the right we have to go to the neocons to get to your ...
democrats. And your republican party is not even possible to get here. Maybe a coalition of the Christian right party and neocon party (its called the future party, lol).
Oh, and then we have the conservative right party, which would perhaps be a leftist democrat party in your country. Trust me, your democrats are in no way a socialist party. Its not even liberal. Its a hard right party.
Ah, yes. I'm with you. I just got somewhat conused due to a series of comments where "socialist" and "liberal" are confused, leading my brain to explode. ;)
The greens, who are socially liberal and socialist (to a certain extent at least) and would be on the left side of politics,
The conservative liberals, who are center right and socially progressive and liberal but for downsizing government as opposed to the greens,
The neocons, who are extreme right and not socially liberal but for downsizing of government and full privitzation. The neocons are not seen as liberal by the other parties.
Well, fellow HP, just remember Mac's role in the KEATING 5 scandal (BTW, also remember that Keating's son-in-law, Robert Wurzelbacher, is Joe the Plumber's father!),
then remember the role of his campaign manager's (Phil Gramm's) Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999 (which broke the regulatory powers of the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, essentially deregulating the economy, resulting in OUR CURRENT FINANCIAL CRISIS, from which they BOTH were in a position to receive kickbacks),
You know people, capitalism has one big problem. It relies on people to be moral in order for all people to benefit from the system. Every time a congressmen takes a "campaign contribution" just before voting on an important bill, every American citizen has been kicked in the teeth and pissed on. Insurance companies are a big problem because all the insurance companies' first goal is to maximize profits. If this happens, we will NEVER get universal healthcare and our country will not be ours.
But whats the alternative? We are loosing ground here in Europe as well. You think America is alone in becoming a corporate engine? The European Union is growing, and my nation of Norway has said no to membership 2 times, but parliament made us a member anyhow by forming a secondary pact and calling it something without the "union" part in the name.
We might have a bit longer with social democracy, Ill give it a few decades, at most.
Soon it's going to be official. And it will be fought for by the very people such an arrangement seeks to defraud the most, the ignorant poor, and middle classes - most esp. the parts who have the easiest passions and anxieties to exploit.
Namely, the uneducated, the unworldly, and the bigots.
If there is anyone who will remember all of this with any distance, any objectivity, what will they say of this period of American history?
so how do the existing laws allow the health insurance corperations to buy off senators at the moment?
do they just use lobby firms as proxies (i.e. corps give their cash to the lobbyist groups - who they have a major say in anyway - who then give the money to the congressmen)? if so, thats almost as bad
why aren't lawmakers who take donations from the health care industry required to recuse themselves from voting on issues favorablet tothe health care industry???!!!
Why aren't lawmakers who eat at the NRA's trough required to recuse themselved from voting on laws that woul financially benefit NRA Principals, gun and ammo makers or on gun control issues?
it's semantics but it because they do not have a direct claim. other words they do not own large or controlling shares in those companies. so they do not have to divest or recuse themselves. the funds of those companies can go to any of the congress people and that's why it's hard to pin down reform.
Since the Roman crowd here on conditioning tube wishes it, I'll restate the obvious.
Obama has just placed another Jesuit coadjutor as the ambassador to the holy see. That comes just after he gave the RCC the swing vote on the Supreme Court.
Inquisition and Counter Reformation, writ Global. Valid.
This is about third time this week that McCain has been looking sincere, respectible, and intelligent. It would be nice if Obama could be this assertive. Has Obama spoken on this issue yet?
You know what, if McCain can follow all the way through in this fight against such judicial activism, then he'll get all the kudos I can give, but somebody educate me here - wasn't McCain apart of the whole savings & loan corruption that took place in the 80's?
I'm not sure how the US system works but shouldn't Obama be preparing some legislation to overturn this possible judicial precedent? Isn't statute law sovereign in the US?
checks and balances PBO and congress and draft a law but the supreme court is the one who says if the law is constitutional. other words if the law goes against the constitution. not much that PBO can do. the problem here is that the SC is not making new law but repealing old law.
What I'm wondering is whether or not this Mc Cain and Feingold Bill became law. I assume not. If not surely the President or a considerable group of Senators should back a Bill that'll make it against the law.
Another question I had was whether or not a statute that overturns a supreme court decision is constitutional, which I assume it is, and if so, why is it that a Bill hasn't gone through to deal with this?
Ahh... ok the Mccain feingold bill is law. it tries to limit the amount that corporations contribute to politicians. the supreme court is trying to have lawyers argue for it and against it so that the supreme court can rule on it.
this right here folks is a true Republican. all honest and sensible reps must agree.
i saw his honesty and integrity during Sen Kennedy's wake, he commands respect to the president's office, he works for bi partisanship, he denounce joe "the brat" wilson, and now.. he go against what the majority of repuglicans will be so favor of..
wow. respect for u Sen. John McCain. talking about check and balance! booya!
to add: he also denounced torture/cheney and was booed down at town halls when he talks sensibly.
REPS these are the type of issues that u should be looking out! McCain was not polarized by the obama fear/hate band wagon, if he was, imagine this getting slip!!
amazes me how much LEGALY corrupted US is... i mean on statistics USA is not corrupted. administration doesnt take bribes as much as in some developing countries. but not one country except the US allows unlimited private/corporate money to go to politicians.
Damn. Looks like out of the blue *another* major blow is about to strike the average citizen of the "freest country on Earth." This country really looks like it's going down the crapper--at least for the average citizen, as opposed to the extremely rich, such a large proportion of whom just can't let themselves be content living in their luxury without any true burdens, but only can make themselves happy by enslaving as much as possible the middle class and poor to ever-increasing degrees.
No law can prevent corruption or crime.
jjbb81 3 days ago
I find it funny to even talk about the possibilty
Bosanac1980 4 months ago
I actually agree with the decision. Corporations have been treated like people for a century. So this shouldn't be surprising.
RationaIAthiest 8 months ago
We need public financing of campaigns. period.
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tiblon1 1 year ago
The Republican Party is not and never has been a party of the people. The Republican Party is an arm of big business that gains constituents by claiming ownership of emotionally charged issues that appeal to weak minded individuals that can only consider one or two issues at a time.
Congress has promised to pass neutralizing legislation to corp. spending, but I have yet to hear of anything specific. The public will have to learn to change our mindset so TV ads inform us of who NOT to vote for.
Zyworski 1 year ago
@ArianaJollee1 This is not helping the debate... I would be more willing to agree with you if you said fuck all mid-west and southern republicans, but REAL conservatives and republicans actually have decent and common sense solution to some problems.... the problem is there aren't many REAL conservatives OR republicans anymore...
upplsuckimcool16 1 year ago
I can't believe the supremes actually fucking did this.
joshatkins94 1 year ago
Can anyone overturn the supreme court?
urmzogna 2 years ago
The RWers on the Supreme Court have been too political negating our voting rights. They got away with making sure Bush was put into office negating all our votes. Justice Roberts violated his oath of office and lied to the Senate when he was approved for office. To lie to the people and their representatives is a felony. He also committed perjury. Impeach him for treason and law breaking.
The other four on the court should be impeached too.
1m2rich 2 years ago
Yeah cause what could possibly go wrong with Corporate Money flowing through our Political system?
729Drew 2 years ago
God Bless the royals...they are back in America. Didn't we fight a revolutionary war against the corporate powers in Britian?
1m2rich 2 years ago
totaly fucking OBLITERATED THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION...
look into it
MrHarry46 2 years ago 3
I think what most americans dont get is ..the Patriot Act .......
MrHarry46 2 years ago
perhaps we'll be able to get SEIU out of the WH
genie0390 2 years ago
Roberts is a corporately owned clone who cares about the richest 1% -- the Corporations that are super big monopolies that Government and the Justices should protect us from but instead are in bed with. System cannot work as long as this is so.
urmzogna 2 years ago 4
I agree. We don't have Capitalism since that system relies on competition and innovation. We have huge, international monopolies who declare they answer to no ones laws. All they care about is their bonuses and pension
Their CEOs take our tax dollars and live like kings. They call us lazy and uneducated.
At least the old robber barons were Americans and invested in America.
1m2rich 2 years ago 3
I'm not from the states so I'm a little confused about this
Just to be clear corporations and unions CANNOT make campaign contributions but lobbyists can?
prodigy00073 2 years ago
Lobbyists can run things called Political Action Committees ( aka PACs ) which can also take donations.
Corporations and Unions can make the maximum donation and make donations on the behalf of each of their employees.
Randomambusher 2 years ago
Unions have few members with little wealth. Corporations have many times more wealth...even if it is ours.
1m2rich 2 years ago 2
@prodigy00073 same sort of thing; only voting individuals should be allowed to affect what happens in America. Not superwealthy anyone...in other words no buying an office. Win it on merit. I know it sounds fari and right but Congress too is 100% corrupt. Both sides. They are owned.
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Pro14851 2 years ago
Also, just so folks know....it's not all that uncommon to request briefing and argument on overruling a case.
Normally, lawyers will base their arguments on previous precedents, assuming that the precedents will stand. If, however, the Justices think a precedent will be overturned (and the parties have not fully argued why or why not that should occur, the possible implications of it, etc., or there are other un-argued issues), they will request a briefing and re-argument.
prestone555 2 years ago
Mccain is a decent guy, he just has bad taste in running mates.
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turbulente007 2 years ago
kudos for Mccain
billoakesattablthree 2 years ago
I never thought McCain was a bad guy but he just earned major props here.
BushidoBrownSama 2 years ago 3
i second that
tubby6t9 2 years ago
Yeah...it's called the first amendment....
::gasp:: People will be able to spend their money to support whatever political message or politician they want to!! ::gasp::
prestone555 2 years ago
Corporations are not persons; they've been granted a degree of legal protections that persons have, but they're still not 'people.' If you were asked what it means to be a human, a person, I would bet the first thing that would enter your mind is vastly different than a business structure, thankfully.
younghegelian11 2 years ago 4
That is right; corporations are not humans. However, they have been granted rights under the first amendment. And, although a "corporation" signs a check, presumably some human person decided how that money should be spent, thus "spen[ding] their money to support whatever political message or politician they want."
I was pointing out the fact that this dude is scared about people (directly or indirectly) expressing their political views, which I'm not sure is something to be scared about
prestone555 2 years ago
Lol, amusing how people can be so naive as to be so damn clueless as to why this was deemed illegal in the first place. xD
"CORPORATIONS ARE PEOPLE TOO! THEY HAVE RIGHTS JUST LIKE US! DEATH PANELS!"
ENez0 2 years ago
With respect, corporations DO have rights under the First Amendment. I was merely acknowledging that, not arguing for it.
I understand WHY Congress passed the law: they thought corporate & union money had too much influence on politics.
But I also understand WHY the Court thinks this may violate the First Amendment (contrary precedent notwithstanding): the First Amendment prohibits Congress from abridging the Freedom of Speech, and this act seems to abridge the Freedom of Speech.
prestone555 2 years ago
McCain, where the hell where you during the election? Wouldn't have voted for you, but I sure did miss you there. Welcome back.
santiagowechsler 2 years ago 3
if this gets overturned, americans better pick up their guns and start firing
padre1917 2 years ago 2
Why do you hate free political speech, Cenk?
flockofgoat 2 years ago
free political speech isn't free. if you have more money, you have more free speech. that is not fair.
padre1917 2 years ago 2
That's silly, no one is forcing anyone to watch a message put out by corporations. And the issue isn't about funding candidates. No one is stopping you from earning your own money and using it to make your own political message. Why do you hate freedom?
flockofgoat 2 years ago
if you don't believe that the first amendment comes at a cost when it comes to politics in this day and age, you are about as naiive as they come. why don't you actually read the laws that have been mentioned before you begin think like you know what you are talking about?
if it was so bad that laws had to be enacted, then out of NOWHERE a justice says "create an argument so the supreme court has to overturn something", you don't find that troubling?
obviously not.
padre1917 2 years ago
Pardon; I didn't quite catch what you were saying. Are you saying that the First Amendment comes with a cost...as in we all have to give something up (say, for example, putting up with corporations corrupting politicians) in order to maintain freedom of speech for all? Or, are you saying that the First Amendment must yield in some instances in this day and age in order to procure some greater good?
I'd be happy to respond, just didn't quite catch what you were saying.
prestone555 2 years ago
that was to padre1917...looks like i effed up the whole "reply" deal...
prestone555 2 years ago
the First Amendment is not free. corporations spend a lot of money to make sure YOU get THEIR message. flesh and blood americans don't have the money to compete with an entire industry's political message. regular americans (not the bricks and mortar kind) should be in full support or mccain/feingold. those who aren't are playing favorites.
limit campaign donations to $10,000 per person and be done with it. the founding fathers did not want congressmen to be wholly owned by business.
padre1917 2 years ago
I agree; the First Amendment is not free. We all have to tolerate what we DON'T like so that we are free to support what we DO like. Putting up with "bad" speech is the cost of the First Amendment...that's why it is not free!
I guess I'm not understanding your use of the phrase. What do you see as the cost of the First Amendment, and how does stifling corporate speech reflect that cost?
I get your policy point...but not how it relates to the First Amendment.
prestone555 2 years ago
the cost of the First Amendment is the dollars and cents price americans have to pay in order to exercise it. if they can't actually pay the cost, only a certain "group" of "american citizens" get to effectively exercise their freedom of speech. if corporations are restricted (ideally eliminted) from political campaigns, the voices of real americans can be heard.
the caveat: those voices have to be listened to, whether you like them or not.
padre1917 2 years ago
If the court has their way with this then...well there continues the downfall of the united states, and some catastrophe in 2012 sounds even more plausible.
noodles297 2 years ago 3
how popular is the young turks?
jackhartcup 2 years ago
the Justices might want to study up on the subject of Treason, their services may be needed here pretty quick..
Dewdaahman 2 years ago
The fewer the lobbyists and cooperate payments to individual politicians the better!!
smartin807 2 years ago 2
The rights of the individual must always take precedence over those of the state or any other entity. That is the essence of American liberty.
duhCider 2 years ago 2
hehe. Libs are scared toi death of corperate involvement at this level. The corps will go for the congress critter that removes taxes and restrictions on them.
Tamalain 2 years ago
You're absolutely Right and in that world, if you ain't AT LEAST a corporate VP, you might as well hang it up for your individual rights. If you happen to get in between what the corporations want and what you need ... God help you.
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MusicMichaels 2 years ago
I'm glad - for a number of reasons (Palin, his age, his party, etc.) - that McCain didn't become President, but it seems in this clip that he is demonstrating more testicular fortitude than the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. But I probably shouldn't be surprised at that.
SecretTheatre 2 years ago 3
Face it, republicans are racist and afraid. Obama represents that the slave has now become the master—and a benevolent master at that!
smokespice 2 years ago 3
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Usual BS from the Young Turds. Move on can spend billions but NRA and anyone non union can't. Go suck your Kenyan Commie Boy off.
stevesprinceofsteaks 2 years ago
Search for and watch "Charlie Sheen's Video Message to President Obama"
Javea1 2 years ago
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TYT still shoveling manure to their braindead leftist minions. Corporate money not allowed in politics since 1907? How freaking STUPID are you? Corporations pile more money into politics, EVENLY TO BOTH REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS, than any other source. If you want to see which party is really tied to corporations, look into the insidious connections between the Obama administration and corporations like Goldman Sachs and GE.
omcx1 2 years ago
You need to rewatch the video because that's not what Cenk Uygur said. He never claimed that there had been no coporate money involved in politics since 1907. Listen to everything he says.
EricTerman 2 years ago 3
The issue at hand on the 'Hilary Movie' Case is that it would allow corporations and unions to directly fund campaign advertisements. Enabling corporate fascism to a degree not seen since the 19th century.
InfiniteUniverse88 2 years ago
The issue at hand is Rome. The "side" she chooses to use to subvert is tangential.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
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MusicMichaels 2 years ago
this is so obvious that republicans are sooooooo vexed that obama had such incredible private campaign contributions that NOW they want to use their own corporate Geppetto's to turn their ridiculous failures around....
they fucked up and they need to deal with it... stop the bullshit and get back to helping the REAL country not some Christian right fringe....
StealOnU 2 years ago 3
when will this country realize that corporations own this country...
MississippiBlueDog 2 years ago 2
when the corps STOP ruling. after all, everyone who learns inside this country is being taught by processes that are influenced from the big money.
evvee345 2 years ago
You(they) are basically saying, hey, what a great idea i had...lets put our political system on the stock market!
MississippiBlueDog 2 years ago
When I first heard this this morning....I literally spit in my own coffee...
MississippiBlueDog 2 years ago
I hope that Obama isn't going to be like Clinton's third term. so far it is
antifaith82 2 years ago
Why aren't they talking about this on fox or cnn ?
wdghk 2 years ago 3
That would be very bad if that judgement gets overturned. We as a people need to stop that unintellegent ruling! Good for McCain! I will give him props on that issue. If we can not do it I hope at least 2 of the judges swing left on this judgement, but it may seem doubtful.
dmp079 2 years ago
Looks like McCain circa 2000 has come back for the time being.
I wonder if any of the right-wing radio and TV blowhards are going to decry Roberts' judicial activism.
MntlWard 2 years ago
hey look everybody! john mccain's back!
MercifulMing 2 years ago
I'm not a re-plebian, nor a demi-cratus....but McCain is still a TRAITOR.
He will be a traitor in the history books long after we are gone....along with most in DC.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Yes, a traitor of the evil empire! A hero who went against his own party to stand up for the rights and needs of the people, the constitution, and the American way! HooHaw!
Scardy 2 years ago 2
Sheep dipping. Look it up.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
What has disinfecting sheep got to do with anything?
Scardy 2 years ago
A tool of Subversion. A term for camouflaging or disguising the true identity of equipment or individuals.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
heh, yeah, I was messing with you. I get your point. It was totally political on McCain's part. He lost support on both sides during the election. It was so disastrous, in fact, that I don't doubt it actually hurt his career. This is an excellent way to salvage his reputation by coming out guns a-blazing on something that most americans will probably agree on.
Scardy 2 years ago
Didn't mean to be abrupt with that last message, scardy. I was busy at the time.
You can't have a 'fast-break' if all the players bunch up in the same old areas.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Judicial activism? Hmmm... Isn't that what the republicans wereaccusing Sotomayor was going to do in the future if she got to the Supreme Court? Where they now when this guy does it? Like he actually does it not we are speculating in the future she will do it... Where is the real outrage? So only fake outraged at fantasy scenarios of doom's day but nothing when a fiasco is about to happen?
sidvidle 2 years ago 2
Corporations are not individuals. Corporations are persons, which is a legal fiction which may live indefinitely. Sovereign Individuals die...their companies outlive them.
Companio. L. compes (fetters,chains) ani(ring) Companio were Jews who were bonded to a vasal of Rome. So, literally "chained to the ring of the pope".
Rome designs it so that it gets it both ways...and you get it coming at you from both directions.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
OVERTURN CORPS STATUS AS A PERSON. only good i see that could come from this is that the S.Court actually wakes up and rules against a "Corporation" is as a "person" under the 14th amendment, which the corporate nazi's say somehow gives corps the same rights as a natural person. unless the supreme court tells us next that corps have a right to vote. but i wouldnt be surprised at this point because some are obviously corporate shills.
zeitgeisthero 2 years ago 2
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zeitgeisthero 2 years ago
You guys really, REALLY need to rein in your government a little. They're not even pretending that they're not owned, bought, sold, and traded like stocks by the corporations. At this rate, by 2020, Politicians will start wearing lapel pins and jackets sporting the names of their corporate sponsors, just like Nascar. Instead of voting for President Jack Johnson or Senator John Jackson, you'll be voting for Governor AIG and Congressman Haliburton.
Not that you arent already, but it'll be obvious
Etimos 2 years ago 2
Great points. People need to pay attention to what's really going on. While everyone was getting all worked up over Sotomayor's ethnicity real bullshit is about to go down.
wdghk 2 years ago
McCain would have been a viable option as president if he had not chosen Palin as his running mate. But then, McCain was never meant to be president, he was chosen by his party because he was very clearly not a match for Obama. The republican party did not want to inherit the problems left behind by Bush, they wanted a Democrat to try to fix them, and fail, so they could come back in 2012 and blame him for everything. More to the point, the lobbyists and corporations wanted Obama, not McCain.
Etimos 2 years ago 3
there should be a complete ban on union money, but not corporate because corporations are made of CITIZENS the employees work for the company whose beliefs they support so it will cut down on a lot of wasteful spending to just have corporations support moral, conservative, pro-american canidates
tehant1liberal 2 years ago
good for john all he does isnt bad
dragonflychainsaw 2 years ago
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matthewschark 2 years ago
Not at all surprising when considering who nominated Robert to the Supreme Court in the first place.
gregwi562 2 years ago 3
We are witnessing the slow death of freedom in America.
Khazule 2 years ago
You people are so dramatic. Turn off the tv and start thinking for yourself instead of assuming that everyone is out to get you.
videosfromderelix 2 years ago
Lisabob22 YES!!!!!!, finally some1 who gets it, Big corporations run this Country plain and simple, all these politicians r on some1's payroll.
NoBitchASSnes1 2 years ago
McCain was and is a traitor. And a rather stupid one at that.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
you know all you people who are scared of socialism should take a good look at where we are right now, it is not socialism it is corporatism and it is much more frightening than socialism
The real enemy is not liberals or conservatives but the large multi-national corporations who run the world.
lisabob22 2 years ago 9
Lisabob22, if you keep bringing it like this, the two of us will have to go on tour. I could not agree more.
dinobrya 2 years ago
One needs to look at the etymology of the words one throws around...but curiously still never gets to first causes?
It was Romes Hitler, Franco, Petain...and even Stalin.
Inquisition and Counter Reformation, writ Global.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
lisa, the corporations don't want to run the world. That's just silly paranoia. They want to run the governments that run the world.
See how much better that is?
(hint: sarcasm alert)
47f0 2 years ago 5
Bill Moyers had a interview between two layers that are arguing this case.
I like the argument against the motion that the first amendment protection should not apply to corporations since corporations are a unnatural entity created by the state for economic purposes.
If a corporation can't vote, why should it have a say?
henleythecat 2 years ago 2
NOW THAT IS A MAVERICK!
Craigipedia 2 years ago 2
Hell yeah! McCain is a fantastic legislator, and one of the greats in the Senate, no doubt. He positioned himself as a lousy potential president, of course... it's important to keep the nukes out of his hands, I think.
alfishes 2 years ago 2
Look to the RC block on both fake sides of the aisle.
Regardless of the issue, they can find a 'hero' to supposedly run 'counter' to it. Hegel would be proud.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
The RCC has the swing vote on the Supreme Court. You're going to see many 'unprecedented' changes in the near future.
Thats not 'bigotry'...thats just the repetition of History.
Hmmmm, I wonder what could have happened that got the Church kicked out of Japan and many other countries through History? Japan survived until they were forced to let 'Europeans' back in.
The German Republic survived until the Roman Austrian Nazis got inserted in '33.
History. A matter of public record.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Wow GO McCain! I'd say it looks like the system is nearly broken and just on the verge of being completely unable to serve the will of the people, but it is encouraging to see some politians to stand against this shit. I don't beleive McCain was the better choice for President but he is a good Senator. You gotta give credit where credit is due, he stood up for the American people on this issue.
roy383127 2 years ago
Wow...spoken like a true shill of Rome, KC.
Hmmmm, I wonder whats going to stop you in only 'an hour'?
And, oh great philosopher (chuckle)...do call it what it is (Divine Right), rather than what it ain't.
Inquisition and Counter Reformation, writ Global.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Why is this not on the news...
You know judicial activism, that everybody was so worried about and that was all over the news..
Pathetic media.
olof790217 2 years ago
John Mccian the last decent republican.
lmcdowall 2 years ago 2
And even he sold his soul to the psychotic right. I wish to god he won the repub primaries in 2000 instead of bush, I was a supporter of his then.
clokwerk1945 2 years ago
WOW, I knew that John McCain was old, but making laws dating back to 1907?
Man...
(yes I am being sarcastic).
interstate317 2 years ago
Judge Robert's is a facist? A system like that will likely break down and they will have to bring the troops home to prevent a war over here. i still don't see the day coming when i can actually go see a doctor that is not pushng vaccines. Of course, my example of how insurance operates in Liberty Mutual. They have commercial for credibility, but to me they have minus 500,000 tons of credibility and i would never ever do buisiness with them even with Workman's comp. Never ever ever ever!!!
hypnofan35 2 years ago
...You are against vaccines? Way to go fight the power ...lol jack ass.
lmcdowall 2 years ago
John McCain shows his stripes - how can Corporate America support this man?
audadvnc 2 years ago
"If they do now. Hey hey" The whole point is that they don't now. They don't now at all. How much less could they support us. if you and others need this law to be stricken to understand the facts as they already are, then I hope they overturn the law.
finerbiner 2 years ago
THAT'S the McCain we all used to love!
IsisStarlights 2 years ago 2
i found this kind of disgusting. What if you have a 401 k, you have no idea where your money is being invested in unless you really study that stuff. And then you dont know what corp. you've invested in is donating to who, meaning candidates you dont support. This is DIRTY
astrolabe1976 2 years ago
Why don't we just call the Country McAmerica or Walstates ... I feel like I'm trapped in a shitty Robocop movie ... with out the cool cyborgs ... what the F@$K is going on here!
hassleoffa 2 years ago
LOL! Ill stick to my own country, thats or sure. I am sure we will last a few more decades before we are McNorway, but the neocon party is now pretty large, above 20%. ITs a socialist democratic coalition running the show now, but if the start bickering the neocon party and the right wing party may join forces and we are fucked. They want to privatize everything.
Its happening all over Europe. ;(
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago
I don't buy the socialist tag ... America has drifted so far right that "EVERYONE" else in the world looks left to us ... The fact that things are happening in Europe is foreshadowing. Given the fact that the same giant multi-national corporations are in every country ... I'm coming to the belief there are no countries ... just illusions of countries ... we're just a bunch of markets.
hassleoffa 2 years ago
True. In parliament now a coalition of the center party, the workers party (labor), and the socialist party holds power. Both the labor and center party is considered center, and the socialist party is considered slighly to the left. We have 2 other parties more to the left then them, the red party (communist) and the green party, in addition the old communist still exists with their national communist party, but their nearly dead. On the right we have to go to the neocons to get to your ...
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago
democrats. And your republican party is not even possible to get here. Maybe a coalition of the Christian right party and neocon party (its called the future party, lol).
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago
Oh, and then we have the conservative right party, which would perhaps be a leftist democrat party in your country. Trust me, your democrats are in no way a socialist party. Its not even liberal. Its a hard right party.
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago 3
Yes, it's called the neoliberal world order.
yohaneuano4 2 years ago
neoliberal? What the fuck would that be?
Do as you want or we will kill you! mwhahahah!
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago 2
Neoliberal is like an economic libertarian, sort of.
alfishes 2 years ago
Ah, yes. I'm with you. I just got somewhat conused due to a series of comments where "socialist" and "liberal" are confused, leading my brain to explode. ;)
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago
We have three liberal parties here in Norway;
The greens, who are socially liberal and socialist (to a certain extent at least) and would be on the left side of politics,
The conservative liberals, who are center right and socially progressive and liberal but for downsizing government as opposed to the greens,
The neocons, who are extreme right and not socially liberal but for downsizing of government and full privitzation. The neocons are not seen as liberal by the other parties.
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago
If money is the same as freedom of speech and corporations have the same rights as humans.
Nothing new here, we are all slaves.
FlowerClown 2 years ago
Hardcore progressive here: I'm starting to think that we should've voted for McCain.
DrQuijano 2 years ago
Well, fellow HP, just remember Mac's role in the KEATING 5 scandal (BTW, also remember that Keating's son-in-law, Robert Wurzelbacher, is Joe the Plumber's father!),
then remember the role of his campaign manager's (Phil Gramm's) Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999 (which broke the regulatory powers of the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, essentially deregulating the economy, resulting in OUR CURRENT FINANCIAL CRISIS, from which they BOTH were in a position to receive kickbacks),
then THINK AGAIN!
dukenthaylor 2 years ago 2
You know people, capitalism has one big problem. It relies on people to be moral in order for all people to benefit from the system. Every time a congressmen takes a "campaign contribution" just before voting on an important bill, every American citizen has been kicked in the teeth and pissed on. Insurance companies are a big problem because all the insurance companies' first goal is to maximize profits. If this happens, we will NEVER get universal healthcare and our country will not be ours.
kickthecat232 2 years ago
Yeah...let's permit corporations to have political rights...that's going to go over real swell...
pyromike3000 2 years ago
United States of Corporations, INC.
iknewitalready 2 years ago
More like United Corporations of America. To hell with the states.
DrQuijano 2 years ago
But whats the alternative? We are loosing ground here in Europe as well. You think America is alone in becoming a corporate engine? The European Union is growing, and my nation of Norway has said no to membership 2 times, but parliament made us a member anyhow by forming a secondary pact and calling it something without the "union" part in the name.
We might have a bit longer with social democracy, Ill give it a few decades, at most.
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago
PLUTOCRACY! YAAAY!
Soon it's going to be official. And it will be fought for by the very people such an arrangement seeks to defraud the most, the ignorant poor, and middle classes - most esp. the parts who have the easiest passions and anxieties to exploit.
Namely, the uneducated, the unworldly, and the bigots.
If there is anyone who will remember all of this with any distance, any objectivity, what will they say of this period of American history?
KosmicCitizen 2 years ago
so how do the existing laws allow the health insurance corperations to buy off senators at the moment?
do they just use lobby firms as proxies (i.e. corps give their cash to the lobbyist groups - who they have a major say in anyway - who then give the money to the congressmen)? if so, thats almost as bad
up2trix 2 years ago
why aren't lawmakers who take donations from the health care industry required to recuse themselves from voting on issues favorablet tothe health care industry???!!!
Why aren't lawmakers who eat at the NRA's trough required to recuse themselved from voting on laws that woul financially benefit NRA Principals, gun and ammo makers or on gun control issues?
sydlax 2 years ago
it's semantics but it because they do not have a direct claim. other words they do not own large or controlling shares in those companies. so they do not have to divest or recuse themselves. the funds of those companies can go to any of the congress people and that's why it's hard to pin down reform.
occhamsrazor 2 years ago
im glad mccain is doing the right thing
amp1616 2 years ago 3
Since the Roman crowd here on conditioning tube wishes it, I'll restate the obvious.
Obama has just placed another Jesuit coadjutor as the ambassador to the holy see. That comes just after he gave the RCC the swing vote on the Supreme Court.
Inquisition and Counter Reformation, writ Global. Valid.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
Is this judge high? Really. I'm being serious.
BornConfusing 2 years ago
DAMN CENK IS ONE NAIVE ASSHOLE!
Don't tell me Cenk. You NEVER heard of the
Comprehensive Financial Annual Report?
Wake The Fuck UP - The USA is a Communist Nation is disguise. The US GOV owns 70% of ALL US Stocks!
Google - "The Biggest Game In Town"!
The US GOV makes Enough MONEY To send Every American a $8,000 dollar check every year along with free health care, free education,
Take off YOUR Diapers America!!!
911truthncDotOrg 2 years ago
1999 USA Tax Revenue - 4.6 Trillion
1999 USA Return on Investment - appx. 13 trillion
911truthncDotOrg 2 years ago
Chief Thug Roberts, even conveniently forgets the words of Presidential Oath during the inauguration of President Obama.
Racist BASTARD ROBERTS!
iknewitalready 2 years ago
Chief Thug John Roberts has selective amnesia about Judicial Activism.
He forgets his own activism. siding with Corporation money.
I will not be surprised, if I hear corporations influence / bribe Supreme Court to make decisions too under his leadership.
iknewitalready 2 years ago
This is about third time this week that McCain has been looking sincere, respectible, and intelligent. It would be nice if Obama could be this assertive. Has Obama spoken on this issue yet?
MrHaufniensis 2 years ago
You know what, if McCain can follow all the way through in this fight against such judicial activism, then he'll get all the kudos I can give, but somebody educate me here - wasn't McCain apart of the whole savings & loan corruption that took place in the 80's?
TheNeocatZone 2 years ago
Synarchists always do.
Inquisition and Counter Reformation, writ Global.
The Catholic Justices are activists for Rome, and they hold the swing vote.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
You're not very bright, go choke back some more cock and fuck off away from the internet dummy.
nilbud 2 years ago
Your time is coming. And not in the manner you suppose.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
You are a moron, deluded bigoted frightened and stupid. Don't assume the rest of the world is as terrified of shadows as you are you uneducated dolt.
nilbud 2 years ago
Riiight. I'll tell you what son, go chase your tail. And while you're at it...go kiss the Popes 'brown ring'.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
I'm not sure how the US system works but shouldn't Obama be preparing some legislation to overturn this possible judicial precedent? Isn't statute law sovereign in the US?
GoGoGomy 2 years ago
checks and balances PBO and congress and draft a law but the supreme court is the one who says if the law is constitutional. other words if the law goes against the constitution. not much that PBO can do. the problem here is that the SC is not making new law but repealing old law.
occhamsrazor 2 years ago
What I'm wondering is whether or not this Mc Cain and Feingold Bill became law. I assume not. If not surely the President or a considerable group of Senators should back a Bill that'll make it against the law.
Another question I had was whether or not a statute that overturns a supreme court decision is constitutional, which I assume it is, and if so, why is it that a Bill hasn't gone through to deal with this?
GoGoGomy 2 years ago
Ahh... ok the Mccain feingold bill is law. it tries to limit the amount that corporations contribute to politicians. the supreme court is trying to have lawyers argue for it and against it so that the supreme court can rule on it.
occhamsrazor 2 years ago
That's crazy, I can't believe they can overturn a statute like that. Very interesting stuff.
Cheers
GoGoGomy 2 years ago
this story haven't received the coverage it deserves in the MSM, despite being one of the most important things in the last decades.
Corporations already have most of the rights of the citizens, this new right to buy politics explicitly would be a catastrophic disaster.
Srsly, kudos to McCain and Russ Feingold!
pinochet222 2 years ago 2
this right here folks is a true Republican. all honest and sensible reps must agree.
i saw his honesty and integrity during Sen Kennedy's wake, he commands respect to the president's office, he works for bi partisanship, he denounce joe "the brat" wilson, and now.. he go against what the majority of repuglicans will be so favor of..
wow. respect for u Sen. John McCain. talking about check and balance! booya!
and to that judge, ull gonna here from us LMAO
scolexx 2 years ago
to add: he also denounced torture/cheney and was booed down at town halls when he talks sensibly.
REPS these are the type of issues that u should be looking out! McCain was not polarized by the obama fear/hate band wagon, if he was, imagine this getting slip!!
scolexx 2 years ago
amazes me how much LEGALY corrupted US is... i mean on statistics USA is not corrupted. administration doesnt take bribes as much as in some developing countries. but not one country except the US allows unlimited private/corporate money to go to politicians.
logoth80 2 years ago
2000's McCain is back now?! I'll stop calling him McSame then:)
pinochet222 2 years ago 2
How much more damage can the right wing do? They're destroying this country, all while calling names and accusing the other party of doing it.
darealdjnutz 2 years ago 3
after seeing these clips, i have a bit more respect for john mccain...
hellshade2 2 years ago 4
fail.
MuscleCatClothing 2 years ago
If you want this,you are a facist,literally.
DjRareware 2 years ago 3
Damn. Looks like out of the blue *another* major blow is about to strike the average citizen of the "freest country on Earth." This country really looks like it's going down the crapper--at least for the average citizen, as opposed to the extremely rich, such a large proportion of whom just can't let themselves be content living in their luxury without any true burdens, but only can make themselves happy by enslaving as much as possible the middle class and poor to ever-increasing degrees.
genrlcvr 2 years ago 3
Well, looks like Faux and the dittohead-king are going to have someone again as their whipping boy to "set an example" to their party line.
rmyoung87 2 years ago