NBA superstar Kobe Bryant vs NBA Legend Michael Jordan.

[kb24overrated]

Kobe Bryant does not deserve the 2007-2008 MVP award. LeBron James deserves the 2007-2008 MVP award. kb24overrated . com/2008_mvp_race_kobe_vs_lebr­on (delete the spaces before and after the dot)

[wahiawagal2003]

The reason why Kobe will never be like Mike or surpass MJ, is because he doesn't have the superstardom OVERALL as a WHOLE. Mike was an legend that yes scored alot of points, but he was a motivator, he had a way of making his team feel like superstars and get to that level. Kobe caused confrontations, drama, not really a team player, but an individual. There were alot of games that the Lakes lost but Kobe had over 30pts. Go figure-

[tenoob]

Kobe is a mix between Clyde's athleticism,

and James Worthy's shooting touch is what

I meant to say.

Btw please quit associating KB with Mike,

Bryant will be up there forever he doesn't

need Mike's accolades to be one of the

greatest shooting guards of all time.

[tenoob]

How is Kobe better than Jordan? I'm a Kobe fan and I have to say this is just false. Kobe is one of the best shooting guards of all time but he still didn't surpass Jordan for many reasons, really I don't care. Kobe is to L.A. what Jordan was to Chicago, I love Kobe even if he isn't better you are just delusional

and stupid.

[Methadone4Life]

I dont see why we need to argue this,just enjoy Kobe for Kobe because just like Mike before you know it he will be gone and we will be comparing Kobe to some young gun. That is just basketball. I personally think that,while no one will ever be BETTER than MJ,Kobe is nearing the point that MJ was from 96-98 when the game just came so easy and he played so relaxed. What little MJ had lost physically by that point was made up for with deadly consistent fadeaway and mind games over opponents.

[Methadone4Life]

The thing that is hard for me to understand is how someone could like Mike and not like Kobe? They have so many of the same strengths and both have the brain for the game and are able to just toy with defenders and play mind games with opponents. I like both and loved to watch MJ and love to watch Kobe now. Both are/were complete players yet both had to learn how to grow into that player. I say...just enjoy both and while it is fun and interesting to debate it is all a matter of opinion.

[abmmwl]

When MJ was in his prime, he won the championship, finals mvp, league mvp, all-star mvp, scoring title, and selected 1st team all-defensive. If you don't call that domination, I don't know what you call it. Kobe will never be able to do that all in one season.

[hong13145207]

MJ better than the kopi la!

[tenoob]

Kobe is Clyde the Glyde #2.

James could be Jordan #2 but we'll just have to wait and see, he has to pass Larry Legend as the best SF first to reach Jordan status.

[jordanownskobe]

On Kobe's best day he wouldnt make 4 out of 10 shots against a Michael Jordan who was young

nuff said shut the fuck up NOW kobe bryant

[blackadam06]

stevieo6 = mikenotnumber1 = thebruceblitzchennel = kb42PAH.

They're "ALL" the same person. The structure of the sentences & the manner of their intent are exactly the same. He has multiple accounts & he spouts the same nonsense over & over, hoping to draw PPL into an insult competition, rather than legitimate b-ball convo..

[kb24overrated]

temporary glitch in website, soon to be fixed. sorry.

[JK1M]

Just wanted to say. There will never be another Jordan. Kobe is probably the closest thing to Jordan, but you need to realize...Jordan was playing in a league that was very physical and full of contact compared to how the league is played today. So imagine this, how many points would Jordan score in a league that consisted of touch fouls or slight brushes at the net? I would predict 40+ ppg. ;) Gunbae.

[dmac8999]

wow, have you not seen lebronne

[Hypebusta]

No, those quotes are from people like Phil Jackson and Jerry West.

[bwink23]

stevie, how old are u?? i have no doubt you didnt grow up during Jordan's era, so can't comment on what defense was like. I watch the NBA today, and Kobe has no trouble getting his hands on the ball. Defense are no better. Scoring is UP from the 90's, so how are the defenses better? I guarantee if you grew up watching Jordan, you'd be a fan for life, cuz he was godly.

[BlackBerry1010]

MJ: "Anything you can do I can do better. Everything I have done, you never can."

Kobe: "Yes, I can."

MJ: "No, you can't."

Kobe: Yes, I can"

Jordan: "No, you cant. No, you cant."

(the league nick named) "Black Jesus" vs. (the self proclaimed) "Black Mamba"

[crocs24]

You will notice......IN EVERY 100 COMMENTS ON WHO IS THE bETTER PLAYER BETWEEN JORDAN AND KOBE,YOU WILL SEE THAT KOBE GOT 7 AND JORDAN GOT 93

[thegrudge]

who's quotes are those in the beginning? cause it sounds like your quotes, which don't mean shit. so why the fuck would you put those quotes up? And those quotes don't prove anything, they are pure opinion and from your perosal view point. if u gunna make a video, make a credible one u dumbass, and those use one nba legend to try to downplay another, respect the players and the game

[thegrudge]

*and dont use

[tomaton88]

MJ plyas like MJ. kobe plays like MJ.

[spokcam]

No I think they like the way kobe's knee buckles when he jumps off of 1 leg. lol

[stematwork]

if the argument here is that "stats don't measure skill" then OVERWHELMINGLY we have to go with Jordan as the GOAT.

No hand check rules

No flagrant fouls untill the 90's.

You can't measure the impact here.

Tallest years of the NBA was late 80's...about the same time Jordan did most of his poster dunks on centers. And averaged between 33-37points a game.

what proof do kobe fans have of more "skill"?

they like his hair more? what?

[stevieo6]

Dude...your are done boy! Ever heard of triple teaming before catching the ball..vs single coverage? And who played like that in 80's? like all now? And who rode Stern and media's lap. Didn't Jordan cheat..a lot and gamble. and father assasinated? Come on!

[superstarTVyt]

Kobe

0 mvps 2 scoring titles/0 over 47% 0 yrs 47%+

0 finals mvps 4 trys 36% fg 2000 finals 38% fg 2004 finals

Crossed by no name Mexican Defense? everyone owns Kobe

inconsistent game by game fg% 47 games with 0 assists (games he started)

Demands trades Accused of heinous crime Lebron carry Kobe FIBA 2007

Shaq 3 finals mvps vs Kobe 0 Playoff ser wins no Shaq? 0

Never jumped over 40'' 0 ft line dunks

Playoff avgs suck Career avgs suck

youtubeDIZZOTcom/watch?v=E7RYf­Tmbdog

[zopoundsakpase]

lmfao,this motherfucker is so fuckin pathetic,he is a ball hog like no other,and you pathetic lakers fans wonder why you lose.lmao,lakersrule,you should of kept quiet,you peaked my intrest and i went and found out that kobe is a sociopath ,well thats not really news but,gag and die kobe dick ridin faggot lakersrule. that stat is going up on all the kobe videos to be sure

[zopoundsakpase]

michael jordan in contrast to that bitch made kobe only has 6 games in his 14 year carrer where he had zero assist and not until 1997 did his first game come where he had zero assist in a game,lmao thats 13 years with at least one assist during a game,fuckin kobe has 51 games without an assist,what a fuckin loser,lmao

[zopoundsakpase]

wow nine games of zero assist,damn thats a shit load,that motherfucker is a piece of shit,he has way more than that you son of a bitch lakersrule. try 30,lmao,and he has no assist when it comes time to take a game winning shot,he's a fuckin moron and has no court awareness whatsover

[zopoundsakpase]

wow,i was being fuckin generous when i said that low lifted motherfucker kobe had 30 games with no assist,that shit is more like 51 shocking games with zero assist.

[mlynch07]

But I do like your website, it's definitely got some powerful statistical info.

[V11S03F93]

jordan is better than kobe he always wil be

[hotsizzleakadafizz]

zopoundsakpase never mind what i said bout bull shit, i read it wrong lol

[kb24overrated]

...<b>thank you....

[blackadam06]

Will do..That dumbass has actually said on this thread that superior stats "don't matter"..having "MORE" individual & team awards "doesn't matter"..MVP's "don't matter"..and surprisingly CHAMPIONSHIPS "don't matter"..when determining the G.O.A.T LOL!! I'd like to know what crtiteria he's using to determine who's the best LOL!! That idiot & his fellow KB fans are the "ULTIMATE" in stupid, ignorant, delusional & flat out being in SERIOUS denial LOL!! That's ridiculous!

[kb24overrated]

kb24overrated(.)com has been updated with more useful information for Michael Jordan/real NBA fans. Pass the word along to these children.

[LTsully]

Face it Jordan was better than Kobe.

Stop hatin, because the best player ever, is retired.

[blackadam06]

U know that & I know that, but unfortunately these delusional KB fans will cut off the very extremities from their bodies before they'll admit that to themselves LOL!! I mean damn..if they claim stats can't measure skills, but will say 81 pts is more than 69 therefore he's better skilled, what does that say about them? They'll continue to contradict themselves rather than admit the obvious..

[LTsully]

lol you are right, what idiots they are.

[lbcity1]

stop dissing all kobe fans...diss the retarted ones

[LakersRule24]

What some people lack in the brain, have in time.

The more you do this, the more you convince me that Kobe is GOAT.

[blackadam06]

Well u know what they say..the weak insult & the wise learn. U dumbass KB fans remind me of people who scream the earth is flat & that's my story & i'm stickin' to it..LOL!!

[LakersRule24]

In terms of skill, Kobe may be better than MJ.

Kobe has more range, better shooter, better scorer, better footwork, and better offensive game. Jordan has the better defensive game. That's the only thing that may put Jordan>Kobe.

[zopoundsakpase]

lmao skill,what skill you mean the skill to turn the ball over in crucial situations during a game,or the skill to shoot 45 percent and lower for his entire 11 year carrer you mean those skills you dumb bastard lakersrule24,kobe does nothing better than jordan but fail when he doesn't have shaq to hold his itty bitty tiny hands,lets take a look shall we

[zopoundsakpase]

Winning % of teams MJ scored 50+ on: 54.9%. Winning % of teams KB scored 50+ on: 45.8%. Out of KB's 22 50+ pt games only 9 came against teams with .500 or better records: 41%. Out of Jordan's 39 50+ pt games, 31 came against teams with .500 or better records: 80%. As I said, MJ had far more big games against quality opponents than Kobe did.

[blackadam06]

Lakersrule24, just like i told that other idiot, that's the dumbest shit ever. U "CANNOT" seperate a player's stats from their SKILL, because their STATS are the DIRECT result of that player's SKILL. If kobe were more skilled, his #'s would reflect it, but they "DON'T" because he "ISN'T"..it's just that plain & simple..

[blackadam06]

& again Lakersrule, how can he be a better scorer, when's he's "ONLY" won what, 1 scoring title? That's just commons sense. He's "NEVER" shot a higher % from the field than MJ. MJ has shot the ball from the field 50% or higher "6" different times, KB has never shot it better than 46% in his entire career & that's "STILL" lower than MJ's "WORST" shooting year ('98 MJ shot 48%) where MJ played that season with a torn ligament on his index finger on his shooting hand.

[blackadam06]

"CAREER" 3-point shooting %

Jordan: .327%

KB: .337% (Not exactly blowing MJ away here)

# of seasons above 37% 3pt shooting:

Jordan: 4

KB: 2.

# of seasons above 35% 3pt shooting:

Jordan: 5

KB: 2.

Again Lakersrule24, u can't keep professing KB's a better shooter from behind the 3 pt arc, when for his "CAREER", he's only managed to to best MJ by 1% & while shooting it "MORE" times than MJ with "LESS" accuracy.

[blackadam06]

Games shooting under 50%

MJ: 466 (43% of games)

KB: 489 (62% of games)

Games shooting under 48%

MJ: 437 (41% of games)

KB: 470 (60% of games)

Again, how u guys keep saying KB's a better shooter/scorer is beyond my comprehension. This is the tip of the iceberg. KB has shot less than 40% 1/3 for his "CAREER". It's not even a contest. U KB fans R in SERIOUS denial.

[blackadam06]

No stat can measure a players skill?..yeah right!! If that were the case, why do y'all keep harping on his 81 pt game? U know how we know he actually scored 81, because the boxscores totaled up his points..i.e STATS to confirm JUST how many points he scored that night. God u KB fans are some idiots..

[blackadam06]

KB's "CAREER" shooting %'s:

Sub-48% shooting: REG: 470 (60% of games) -- PLAYOFFS: 84 (64% of games)

Sub-46% shooting: REG: 417 (53% of games) -- PLAYOFFS: 73 (56% of games)

Sub-44% shooting: REG: 353 (45% of games) -- PLAYOFFS: 64 (49% of games)

Sub-42% shooting: REG: 307 (39% of games) -- PLAYOFFS: 53 (40% of games)

With "PISS-POOR" shooting %'s like this, how in the hell can he be a better shooter, much less scorer than MJ? Again, U KB fans are beyond stupid..

[blackadam06]

The fact of the matter is that "BOTH" his shooting %'s & his scoring output "DROP" & gets worse in the playoffs than they are in the regular season. That's the "BIGGEST" difference between KB & MJ. MJ's averages in those 2 categories go "UP" in the playoffs..

[blackadam06]

70% shooting games

MJ: 23

KB: 5

60% shooting games

MJ: 160

KB: 53

50% shooting games

MJ: 504

KB: 203

U KB fans R outta ya f***** minds talkin that s*** about KB having a better offensive game & being a better scorer/shooter than MJ..get f***** real!!

[blackadam06]

Again, how can he be a "better scorer"?:

Seasons with 30+ ppg

MJ: 8

KB: 3

Seasons with 25+ ppg

MJ: 12

KB: 6 This is just common sense, if he were a better scorer, the #'s would reflect it in the favor of KB, not MJ. It's like u KB actually believe if u say it enough times, it'll become reality LOL!! Who the f*** R y'all fooling other than yourselves?

[blackadam06]

& the most elementary method of determining who's the better/dominant scorer & I also correct myself with this statement from a previous post:

Scoring titles

MJ: 10

KB: 2

Again..this is common sense, which seems to be lackin' in most KB fans on YouTube. If he were a better scorer, why isn't his superiority reflected in this stat? That's just basic common sense..

[blackadam06]

How the f*** can KB be the G.O.A.T when he's never been an MVP. Never was the MVP in the Finals when he was there, Has shot the ball "less" than 40% for 1/3 of his career, has 0 DPOY awards, not among the top 100 in assts, not among the top 50 in steals & not among the top 10 of all time in points per game. And the list goes on & on..but he's the "Greatest"? Like I said, U KB fans R outta ya f***** minds..

[blackadam06]

MJ has 7 of the top 20 seasons ranked "EVER". KB's "BEST" season is ranked #42. MJ led a staring lineup of Brad Sellers, Dave Corzine, Sam Vincent, and Charles Oakley to 50 wins and the 2nd round in 87-88 while "WINNING" MVP, DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR, & putting up a top 5 season "ALL TIME" statistically. Can KB lay claim to that? No!!!

[blackadam06]

This is why PPL despise KB fans on here. You're ALWAYS trying to discredit someone's career to make yourselves feel better about the "EMBARRASING" & "HUGE" disparity between KB & the LEGENDS "Y'ALL" try to compare him to. It's not only grossly untrue & but disrespectful. PPL don't hate KB, they hate "Y'ALL". Each time y'all pull that punk s***, U "OVERRATE" him. Especially when his CAREER #'s don't merit him being mentioned in the same breath as them..

[hotsizzleakadafizz]

well now he is in the top ten for scoring but styll he does suck

[LakersRule24]

You see that? That's why stats can never reflect skill. Skill is ability, what you are able to do. Stats are for whores, it doesn't take into account the team you're wit, how the defense is, how you accomplish them, etc.

Based on skill and ability, Kobe is a better scorer.

And by the way, if you're going to take out MJ's last 2 years, why not take out Kobe's first 2 years?

[blackadam06]

If u avg 10 shots a game & "CONSISTENTLY" make half of 'em, we can say your "skill" "IS" the reason u consistently shoot 50%. Those 5 made shots are credited to "YOU" & your "SKILL" for making those shots. The box scores aren't gonna say those "5" shots were scored by the "defense" or your "team". WTF is wrong with y'all? If KB were "CONSISTENTLY " better at scoring & shooting than MJ, it "WOULD" be reflected in the box scores dumbass!!

[LakersRule24]

No wonder the basketball world is in such a mess right now.

[blackadam06]

U sound about as dumb/credible as this other KB fan trying to say KB was better at "stealing the ball" from opposing teams/players than John Stockton, when KB's not even in the "TOP 100" in this category or has a steals title. I told him stockton is the "ALL TIME" steals leader in the HISTORY of the NBA!! He said that stat doesn't prove he's better than KB LOL!! I'm like WTF? LOL!!

[blackadam06]

U KB fans are galactically stupid. U guys would make horrible attorneys LOL!! You'd get laughed out of court for basing your defense on opinions & insenuations that AREN'T backed up by anything logical or factual LOL!! You'd probably tell the judge "facts are for whores, it's about presentation in the courtroom" LOL!!

[blackadam06]

And let's just say your dumb ass excuse is true (which it isn't). U once said he's better because he scored 81 pts. How do we know he scored 81? Because someone totaled up the points from the boxscores!! His "STATS" tell u he scored more pts than MJ did for a single game, but STATS r for whores right? U guys R morons..

[blackadam06]

Just because someone is the your favorite player "DOESN'T" make him the "Greatest Ever". No matter how hard u try to make excuses to explain away the obvious, someone knowledgable enough will ALWAYS chin-check the s*** outta u everytime u try & discredit the LEGENDS "U KB fans" are ALWAYS trying to use as the measuring stick..

[blackadam06]

Common sense ought to tell U, if you're ALWAYS having to use MJ as the measuring stick to determine just how good KB is, that "TELLS" u this guy's career #'s, individual/team awards..I.E. "SKILLS" are "SUPERIOR" enough that u guys "HAVE" to use him to gauge your favorite player's worth LOL!! In your heart of hearts, U KB fans "KNOW" he's the superior player, that's why U keep using him as the standard bearer to determine where KB ranks in the pantheon of great players..

[blackadam06]

Unlike u silly & uninformed KB fans, us MJ fans can stand behind our notions of MJ being the G.O.A.T because his career #'s, albeit individual or team, TELLS us he's the "Greatest". We don't have to rely on "opinions" or "I think", MJ's CAREER SPEAKS FOR ITSELF!! MJ has earned his "LEGENDARY" stripes. Get your facts in order KB fans, then "Maybe" we can have a serious b-ball debate, because y'all have no ground to stand on with the b****** you've brought to THIS one..

[LakersRule24]

No. I never said that.

[blackadam06]

Look at how MJ's avg's with the wizards over 2 yrs, measure up against KB's "CAREER" Finals avgs:

MJ's wazards avgs: 21 ppg, 4 rpg & 4 apg shooting 42% shooting

KB Finals avgs: 22.1 ppg, 4 apg, 5 rpg, 41.6% shooting

A 40 yrs old managed to post avg's over the course of 2 yrs, that are virtually identical to KB's "CAREER" Finals avgs against these "SAME" "Tough Zones" that u an that idiot KB24PAH keep trying to use as an excuse for KB's piss poor shooting deficencies LOL!!

[blackadam06]

The more U & the rest of the kobe's kiddie brigade keep trying to come up with elaborate excuses to "TRY" & so call "close the gap" on this "HUGE & EMBARASSING" disparity between MJ & KB's career, the more myself or someone like me will expose those excuses for how truly pathetic they "REALLY" are with the FACTS..

[LakersRule24]

Why can't we all agree that Wilt is the GOAT statistically? It's statswhore like you why all everyone misses out on hidden talents like Josh Howard in the 2nd round.

[blackadam06]

Wilt & Josh Howard wasn't the topic of this debate..it's how does KB match up Vs MJ. Don't try & duck the topic now LOL!! And if anyone is a "stats whore" as u put it, it's u KB fans for staking his claim as the G.O.A.T using only 6 games as your criteria. That's rather 'cheap' & really sells him short don'tcha think? LOL!! Don't use stats to big up KB when it's convenient for u & have no use for 'em when u see how MJ's "TOTALLY" makes ya boys look amatuerish. U can't have it both ways..

[blackadam06]

Your issues with not liking what u see, when the comaprisons are made between the 2, aren't with me or any other knowledgable fan of the game. It's with "KOBE". We didn't make up his career #'s..he did LOL!! Y'all are the ones that make these absurd comparisons ALL OVER YouTube & the minute someone highlights the differences, then u want to get sensitive & claim someone's "hating". Tell KB to step up his game to MJ's level, then u guys will have a legitimate argument..

[LakersRule24]

Your arguments are getting really childish here, they're no different than the ones that Bruce and his clans have put up.

[LakersRule24]

Actually, they fit the topic of this debate. I'll highlight it for you. It's [b] stats whores like you [/b] that everyone misses on hidden talents(Josh Howard and Manu Ginobili are examples) that don't put up big numbers. And as we all know, you have called MJ GOAT because of his "big numbers." Why isn't Wilt GOAT since he put up better numbers? By your arguments, Wilt is the GOAT.

[blackadam06]

Wilt is the first center that from head to toe, was sheer athlete. I can't deny his place in being mentioned for that honor. But simply put, Wilt finished with 3 less scoring titles than MJ, "QUITE" a few "LESS" championships, and a less ppg average than MJ, not to mention MVPs. Again, don't try & duck the topic now LOL!! This aint about Wilt, it's about how KB DOESN'T measure up & y'all keep trying to come up with lame excuses to explain why..

[LakersRule24]

Championships mean absolutely nothing, there are FOUR OTHER players on the basketball court. Jordan played with 3 allstars. Kobe plays with the worse player in nba history(Smush) the biggest bust in history and 2 injury prone forwards(talking starting lineups)

[blackadam06]

Championships mean nothing? LOL!! Then how do we determine champions then dumbass? Now we're back to scapegoating the team for his "INDIVIDUAL" shortcomings. Explain 2004 then. He had 3 All Stars & STILL couldn't win..

[blackadam06]

Kobe refused to feed Shaq the ball in 2004.

Shaq = highest scoring average for a center in NBA Finals history & one of the few players to score 30 points in all games of an NBA Finals. Sorry, the whole attributing ones "INDIVIDUAL" success to their teamates applies to KB, not MJ.

[blackadam06]

peercentages-percentages..typo­

[blackadam06]

U do realize Pippen & Grant didn't arrive until '87 right? U do realize that kerr & kukoc din't get there until '94 & Rodman in '96 right? How do u explain MJ STILL having a better #'s than KB BEFORE those guys? And the team KB has right now, makes MJ's team he inherited, look like the '96 Bulls LOL!!

[lakersrule42]

#'s mean absolutely nothing. Jordan was a ballhog in his early days, even moreso than Kobe is. Jordan also played in an era that enoucouraged 1 on 1 play. That's undeniable.

[blackadam06]

Ball hog? MJ's CAREER avg in shot attempts was 21. KB's is 24. KB even had 2 seasons he avgd 27 attempts a game, MJ ONLY had 1 season like that & the year he did it..he avgd 35 pts on 51% shooting. The 2 yrs KB did he avgd 2 pts & 4 pts less than MJ on 46% & 43% shooting LOL!! Again, what's the excuse?

[LakersRule24]

Ignorance is bliss.

[blackadam06]

U say KB's #'s R low due to the zones, because they're designed to stifle offensive players, but scoring is "UP" by 35% vs the 90's. MJ's title runs took place in the 90's, where they played tough defense with the double/triple teams, but yet scoring was "DOWN" vs now. How do u explain that? Here's how: THEY PLAYED BETTER DEFENSE THEN, WHERE THEY ACTUALLY HAD DEFENSIVE PROWESS, VS RELYING ON ZONES TO COVER UP THEIR DEFECIENCIES!!

[blackadam06]

If it's so hard to shoot a high % against these so called "tough zone" defenses, explain this:

Kwame Brown 59% shooter

bynum 53.4% shooter

walton 48% shooter

odom 47% shooter

turiaf 55% shooter

vujacic 40% shooter (37% 3 pt specialist)

KB for his "CAREER" has "ONLY" managed to shoot 46% from the floor LOL!!

[tenoob]

Dont pay attention to the idiot Kobe fans, they dont know what they are talking about. My boy Bryant suffers from the FG cuz his ass forces shots, he needs to relax, read the floor and shoot the ball when he HAS to, not when he WANTS to. Then his FG%

should go up, otherwise he can be the stubborn ass

Leo he is and keep getting like 46%.

[LakersRule24]

73%? LOL, that's a losing record. That's 43%.

[lakersrule42]

108-148 is a losing record genius.

[lakersrule100th]

Bulls won 108. Bulls lost 148. They lost more games than they won. That sure is a winning record.

[LakersRule24]

Ignorance is bliss.

[LakersRule24]

Championships cannot determine whether a player is better than another, even when comparing players as the man. That's why you have to compare their individual skill on the basketball floor.

[blackadam06]

If 2 opposing players are competing to win the ultimate prize..I.E. titles. 1 player consistently wins more titles, consistently post better team/individual honors than the other player. U don't think that's sufficient grounds to declare the player who's doing these things "BETTER"? LOL!!

[lakersrule100th]

Well depends. Unlike you, I'll actually watch their games to determine who's better.

[blackadam06]

U KB fans are idiots..

[blackadam06]

You're reduced to simply just trying to post the most absurd comments now to simply get a rise out of people because u have no leg to stand on regarding this topic. That's truly pitiful..

[blackadam06]

And didn't u say to me on this SAME thread that "the more I do this, the more u know KB's the G.O.A.T?" As well as say stats don't measure skill? In other words, superior stats, doesn't qualify one for G.O.A.T status if we leave it up 2 u to tell it. Now u want me to "acknowledge Wilt as the G.O.A.T statistically? LOL!! U flip flop more than Jay Mariotti. If stats don't qualify MJ as the G.O.A.T, why would u use "STATS" to recognize Wilt as such? LOL!!

[lakersrule42]

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[blackadam06]

U KB fans on this site are a bad joke LOL!! Just like I told your equally stupid cohort KB42PAH, U really should think about what it is you're saying before u post that dumb s*** LOL!!

[lakersrule42]

You idiot, I said <b> ACCORDING TO YOUR ARGUMENTS </b>, why isn't Wilt GOAT? Because Wilt put better numbers than Jordan. I'm still using your own argument.

[blackadam06]

Try again again dumbass. MJ finished with "MORE" MVP's, "MORE" Scoring Titles, "MORE" Championships & a "HIGHER" PPG average than wilt for his career. Again, as ALWAYS..U lose..

[LakersRule24]

Search for dellusions of grandeur on google.

[blackadam06]

And you've got the nerve to call my comments "childish" LOL!! Prove my comments wrong then. U can't can u? I suggest u take your OWN advice & google that phrase. U "DELUSIONAL" KB fans on here are the ones that OVERRATE KB's so called "greatness"..

[blackadam06]

MJ & Wilt are the "ONLY" players in NBA history to have seasonal PERs over 31. They share the top 7 PERs in NBA history. Jordan has 4 and Wilt has 3. Kobe's highest is #42 all time, a 27.97 PER.

MJ has 9 seasons in the top 50 "ALL TIME" in PER. KB has 1. KB's other two seasons that make the top 100 all time are #92 and #95...

[blackadam06]

Player Efficiency Rating is a formula that uses a player's stats to determine how productive and efficient he is on the court. If you shoot a lot, but don't shoot well,turn the ball over a lot, your rating goes down. If you are efficient and contribute an all-around game, your rating goes up. Due to factors like shooting %, it's almost impossible for a "GUARD" to have a very high career rating, like above 27. MJ's the only 1 to do it..

[zopoundsakpase]

Bad Performances, Kobe vs. Jordan cont.

Kobe has 131 games with a game score of 6 or less. MJ 30.

Kobe has 150 games with a game score of 7 or less. MJ 36.

Kobe has 166 games with a game score of 8 or less. MJ 46.

Kobe has 185 games with a game score of 9 or less. MJ 60.

Kobe has 214 games with a game score of 10 or less. MJ 73.

[hotsizzleakadafizz]

BIGGEST BULL SHIT EVER

[zopoundsakpase]

Bad Performances: Kobe vs. Jordan--

Kobe has 26 career games with a negative game score. MJ 3

Kobe has 34 games with a game score of 0 or less. MJ 5.

Kobe has 49 games with a game score of 1 or less. MJ 6.

Kobe has 59 games with a game score of 2 or less. MJ 9.

Kobe has 79 games with a game score of 3 or less. MJ 12.

Kobe has 94 games with a game score of 4 or less. MJ 21.

Kobe has 110 games with a game score of 5 or less. MJ 23.

[zopoundsakpase]

Out of Kobe's 22 50+ pt games, 6 came with 50 or more minutes. Out of MJ's 39 career 50+ pt games, 1 came with 50 or more minutes.

[andgar923]

Well...fuck the "stats" fuck the accomplishments. All that goes out when you step on the court.

Based on pure talent alone....Jordan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>­>>>>>anybody else.

But....what makes him even better than the next, is the unparalleled combination of:

skill, athleticism, will and perhaps his most underrated aspect....his "smarts" for the game.

[JayT98]

When MJ retired the first time immediately people started saying others were going to be better, penny Grant hill etc....Before Penny, Grant, baby Jordan, and others could even get completely off the ground Jordan came back and dominated them. I personally think he stifled their growth. He killed their dreams of being then next big thing in the NBA and they just faded off into nothin

[JayT98]

Exactly, Everyone else pays Jordan his dues but these pencil necked Kobesters. Me personally admire Wilt more than any other great but MJ is in a league all his own. The best way to describe Jordan and all that went with his coming is....unusual. He was other worldly to me. People compare now cause he's gone, just like when he left the first time. This time he can't come back and dash dreams of being the greatest.

[andgar923]

Why is it "only" Kobe fans fail to acknowledge that Jordan is unparalleled?

I mean...Iverson fans know MJ's the best. Wade fans know this as well. Drexler fans, Magic fans, Zeke fans, Tmac fans, LBJ fans, Garnett fans...etc.etc.etc.

All but Kobe fans.

Idiots.

[blackadam06]

Hey andgar923, it's the old 'lil brother resents big brother's accomplishments/records' because he can't live up to the standard/precedent big brother set. MJ's unparalleled career is a constant reminder to them of how woefully short KB falls when measured against MJ. That's why they're constantly reduced to trying to discredit MJ to make themselves feel better about their favorite player..

[blackadam06]

I've said it before, kids "DEEPLY" believe in things the most & when u destroy any notions of that which they believe in, their immaturity comes out & you'll see the worst in them. That's why they react so hostile to seeing how MJ's career "TOTALLY" puts KB's to shame LOL!! It's like tellin' a kid santa doesn't exist for the first time..they'll pitch a serious b**** when hearing that LOL!!

[blackadam06]

But oh well, f*** 'em LOL!! They gotta learn to respect those who've legitimately "EARNED" the right to be called a "LEGEND". If u pay attention, KB fans notions of him "so called" being the G.O.A.T, as laughable as that sounds, hinges on "6" games in his career LOL!! You'd think they'd realize how dumb they sound making these absurd proclamations, based on 6 games VS MJ's "CAREER" LOL!! But they don't, because most of the KB fans on here are uninformed, idiotic kids..

[zopoundsakpase]

Kobe's 50+ games and defensive ratings of the opponents:

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Jordan's 50+ games and opponents defensive strength:

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[zopoundsakpase]

the point of all those stats is that kobe is extremely inferior to jordan so again who has more skill you fuckin moron lakersrule24,i know you didn't mean kobe did you

[LakersRule24]

LMAO what a fuckin idiot.

Repeat this, 1000 times so that it can get into your little head.

THERE IS NO STAT THAT CAN MEASURE SKILL!!!

[iamerection39]

Why would ppl bother repeating a dumb statement??? So ppl would get dumb like you stupid kobe groupies?? No thankyou, I'd rather remain intelligent.

[crocs24]

You will notice......IN EVERY 100 COMMENTS ON WHO IS THE bETTER PLAYER BETWEEN JORDAN AND KOBE,YOU WILL SEE THAT KOBE GOT 7 AND JORDAN GOT 93

[rickalain]

and those 7 are lakers fans or kobes family

[KB42PAH]

Put Kobe Bryant in the 1950s, he would have 75% FG.

[blackadam06]

What? What does that have to do with anything? LOL!! U KB fans can come up with the lamest excuses LOL!! If MJ had a dominant big man..let's say like shaq..his individual #'s would REALLY trounce KB's than they already do now because big men open up the perimeter for wings & forwards & make it EASIER for them to score..

[blackadam06]

& if it's so hard to shoot a high % against these so called "tough zone" defenses, explain this:

Kwame Brown 59% shooter

bynum 53.4% shooter

walton 48% shooter

odom 47% shooter

KB's "CAREER" high in shooting % ('07)..let me repeat that, for his "CAREER" is 46%. How can his teamates posts better shooting %'s against the "tough zone" than him, but he's supposed to be BETTER than MJ? How do u explain that? LOL!! In the words of Dave Chappelle: "Gotcha Bitch" LOL!!

[blackadam06]

KB2PAH, dude u got to be the dumbest Kobe fan I've ever had the privilege of laughing at LOL!! Thanks dude, I really appreciate that LOL!!

[blackadam06]

Oh & I forgot to mention:

turiaf 55% shooter

vujacic 40% shooter (3 point specialist)(37% 3 point)

It looks as if the best option for you laker fans is to get either top first 4 players more looks, convince KB to take smarter shots, or you try to get vujacic more threes, Kobe should never shoot more 3's than Vujacic.

[iamerection39]

Yeah so did Jordan play in the 50's???No u moron, and btw, kobe will never average 75 percent regardless of the competition.

[KB42PAH]

Stats are not a direct measure of your skill, they are a direct measure of your era and your competition.

[blackadam06]

Shooting %, Freethrow %, Steals per game, Rebs per game, Points per game, ALL are INDIVIDUAL STATS moron. That has nothing to do with era's or anyone else on the courts considering those facets of the game measure that INDIVIDUALS PRODUCTIVITY. Now assists per game, that depends on the ability of the OTHER guy to convert on the offensive end..you're beyond dumb dude LOL!!

[blackadam06]

When I'm standing at the freethrow line & consistently shooting a higher % than everyone else, is that a direct reflection of my era & the defense? What kind of retard are you? That's the dumbest excuse i've ever heard to try & explain why KB's #'s are so paltry..& i've heard some good ones LOL!!

[blackadam06]

And if what u say is true (which it's not) then i never want to hear u mention his 81 pts AGAIN because it was against one of the worst defensive teams in history, since individual stats are a direct result of one's era & competition. Dude, u should really think about these idiotic comments before u post them & spare yourself a lot of embarrasment LOL!!

[blackadam06]

Records of the teams Jordan lost to in the playoffs:

1985 Milwaukee Bucks: 59-23

1986 Boston Celtics: 67-15**

1987 Boston Celtics: 59-23*

1988 Detroit Pistons: 54-28*

1989 Detroit Pistons: 63-19**

1990 Detroit Pistons: 59-23**

*=advanced to NBA Finals; **=WON the title

Is that good enough competition for u?

[blackadam06]

Records of the teams Kobe lost to in the playoffs:

2006 Phoenix Suns: 54-28

2007 Phoenix Suns: 61-21

Nail in the coffin. So much for your bogus ass "competition" argument. U KB fans never have a leg to stand on when it comes to explaining why he just doesn't measure up do you? LOL!! I can't wait to here the excuses your gonna come up. C'mon KB42PAH, don't disappoint LOL!!

[blackadam06]

Here's what MJ did against the "tough competion":

'85 V Bucks: 29 pts, 6 rebs & 8assts. <--- Rookie Year LOL!!

'86 V Celtics: 43 pts, 6 rebs & 5 assts.

'87 V Celtics: 35 pts, 7 rebs & 6 assts, after missing 64 games due to a broken foot.

'88 V Pistons: 36 pts, 7 rebs & 5 assts, against the most physically bruising & arguably greatest defensive team ever.

'89 V Pistons: 34 pts, 7 rebs & 7 assts

'90 V Pistons: 36 pts, 7 rebs & 7 assts

[blackadam06]

Career Finals Averages:

MJ: 33.6 ppg, 6 apg, 6 rpg, 2.1 steals, .71 blocks, 50.2% shooting

KB: 22.1 ppg, 4.6 apg, 5.2 rpg, 1.4 steals, 1.0 blocks, 3.0 turnovers, 41.6% shooting

Enough Said..

[blackadam06]

Ooops..my bad. I gotta correct myself. He missed 64 games in '86 not '87..that's a typo

[KB42PAH]

If he was more skilled, his number would not reflect it.

Welcome to the zone era.

Go learn what zone is .

[tiliman32]

kobe is the close to jordan WTF IS THAT BULLSHIT what about larry bird,magic johnson,scottie pippen,julius erving,patrick ewing,john stockton,karl malone,reggie miller,isiah thomas,kareem,olajuwon,jerry west,bill russell,wilt chamberlain

kobe is not the closest to jordan wow thats insulting

[yangsing]

Jordan is better than Kobe. But Kobe isn't trash either. Kobe is one step or two below Jordan.

[iamerection39]

He is not even close.

[scuk07]

kobe isnt even close to mj... but he is the closest there is to him

[stickygonad]

kobe is in his prime and jordan is now gone lets celebrate some excellent basketball displayed by both atheletes by the way lebron will pass both

... o no he didnt

[the2Kobe24and8]

There is no lying about it like kb42pah does. Jordan is greatest like Oscar and Magic.

[kb24overrated]

We are pleased to see that you ,<i>admit</i> that Jordan is on a level unattainable by Kobe, and the statistical production proves it. Too bad you are busy making <b>excuses</b> to your viewers, by using the <i>level of competition</i> as an <b>excuse</b> for the gap in production. Interestingly enough we have come up with an extensive way to prove that theory <b>dead wrong</b> as well. Enjoy the coming information. Thank you for your interest sir.

[KB42PAH]

Bruce you suck.

Even in the TEAM USA game where kobe hit 3 straight shots + game winner , the first thin you said was "10-22, pathetic."

Remove this comment, I don't care , but you are a stat-whore.

It doesn't take a genius to tell you that MJ had better stats, everyone knows that.

No stat can measure skill.

[kb24overrated]

It took a more skilled player to put up those "stats". I explained that Jordan is a better all around player in 1,000 different ways and I know on one of your 3,000 accounts you listened. Air didnt put up those "untouchable stats", well Air Jordan did. We havent even begun the disection, the Playoff stats and stats during Championship games tell an even more lopsided story. By the way, this is owned by 3 users, not just one.

[TMachatesKobetoo]

Keep spreading lies about Bruce when we know you guys are the sneaky bastards!! Tmac > Kobe!! hahahahahahaha You bastards are morons!! hahahahahahahaha Tmac > Kobe!!!!

[blackadam06]

No Stat can measure skill? Do u know how incredibly dumb u sound? LOL!! Ok..show me a player who's "LESS SKILLED" than another player, but "CONSISTENTLY" posts "BETTER" individual/team #'s & achieve more awards, than the player that's supposed to be more skilled than him. Does that sound logical? Hell no..

[blackadam06]

U can't seperate the STATS from a players "SKILL" level because those stats are the direct result of the players "SKILL" dumbass..That'd be like me sayin' Bird has the stats from the freethrow line, but ben wallace is definitely the more "skilled" freethrow shooter LOL!! How dumb does that sound? LOL!! I don't know what u KB fans are taking to be dumb, but it works..

[blackadam06]

If kobe were the more skilled, his #'s would reflect it, but they don't because he ISNT..

[kjackson1]

What kind of an idiot are you?!?! "No stat can measure skill." REALITY CHECK FUCKTARD! MORE SKILL=BETTER FUCKING STATS YOU STUPID, STUPID BALL SUCKING BITCH! STATS are a DIRECT result of your SKILL. If EVERY ONE of your stats is LESS than someone else's, then GUESS WHAT THAT MEANS???

DING! DING! DING! They have MORE FUCKING SKILL THAN YOU DO! THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS!

[iamerection39]

Then how do you measure skill??? With your homerism??? Oh I can do dat, kobe is better reboounder than Dwight howard, stats says otherwise but hey, stats dont measure skill!!LOL

[achillesbeast]

Im a kobe fan and know that mj is the best of all time and love his game. The only problem I ever had was when mj fanatics make kobe seem like garbage. I know he is not at mj's level and I never have just ignorantly stated that!

[kb24overrated]

Michael Jordan fans, I kindly ask that you save this video to your favorites, share it with friends, show the maniacal Kobe fans the truth. We need your support, spread the good word. Feature this in your vlog, playlists and you can even embed it on youtube or your myspace pages. Pass the good word along, thank you for your support!

-The Hypebusters.

[jrodjwt09]

hey wats up im a kobe fan..but not a dumb one.. i think kobe is a very exciting player, which is the main reason he is my fav player, but he is not on mj's level