(Perhaps we should all start to just ignore the numpty from the British Watch Faction? He can not hold an argument together, loves to goad us all this side of the border and anyway he will not have a vote come the referendum.)
I cant hold an arument together because my opponents on this matter never seem to accept other points of view or other facts. They simply have their single message on "Scotlands oil" and run around the internet thinking theyd all be living in palaces if it wasnt for the evil English.
Great vid. Oil directly paid for, amongst other things, the M25, the channel tunnel, the Thames barrier and other huge infastructure projects in London and the UK's unemployment benefit payments. You never hear the likes of Kelvin MacKenzie mention that. Every day in this union is a wasted day.
Great video separatist. Ofcourse oil is just ONE resource used throughout the United Kingdom over a period of 300 years of union. You make out as if the union was stealing Scotlands oil, well did it steal Englands coal or Welsh coal as well?
Oil oil oil, that is all the separatists are obsessed with. Im sorry but when Scotland joined with England it was bankrupt, England paid off Scotlands bills. Also "Scotlands oil" has been defended for 300 years by this union.
i agree it is only one resource of many scotland has to mention. we are blessed with an abundance of resources that require a scottish goverment to control. we have seen how incompetent westminster is in managing great resources like oil, gas & banking. they have wasted trillions in the last 40 years. the future is clear now! an independent state! no more money for whitehall!
Lol, well the UK is blessed with many resources and has been throughout the past 300 years of our union. Like large levels of coal in England or Wales. The trouble with you separatists is you want to make a special case when it comes to oil.
The UK may very well be on its way to a federal system where Scotland, England, Wales and NI raise their revenues and control resources in their own borders like the US states do. But a single special case cant be made just for Scotland or just for oil
lol, we are not a special case! all we want is the same as any other country? self goverment? what is wrong with that? globalization has failed! the people who run ukplc, do not care about you or me! take off the union jack clouding your judgement, and see all a scottish nationalist wants, is to control their money and goverment!
Scotland is part of a country called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland there for self government is impossible unless the majority of people support independence (which they dont)
Now there is a serious case for sorting out the mess thats been created by devolution. Its stupid the Scottish parliament decides how to spend money but has no responsibility for how its raised. So we need to move towards some form of federal system, but some special case for oil is unacceptable
we are moving towards a fedral system? it's called the european union? FACT. the problem is london is setting it's self up by using the resources of the whole united kingdom to be the only winner.
No not the European Union. The UK itself which has for 300 years has a single central government at westminister is moving away from that position since devolution. Scotland and the other parts of the UK will end up with powers like an American state in their federal system
That sort of system would give Scotland most of the powers and control over its oil i hear most separatists whine about. But sadly because we are having to fight off separatists progress on thats limited till the SNPs ousted
Im saying if the liberal democrats and labour were in power it would be ALOT easier for the UK government to transfer more powers to the Scottish parliament. Its not so easy to do that when the SNP separatists are there.
i thought we lived in a democracy? and if the unionists are so confident of no one voting for independence? what's the problem? SNP have achieved more in two years with a minority goverment than labour managed in 8? maybe you don;t know we voted labour for 18 years and got a tory goverment? is that democratic representation? in the last year we;ve discovered goverment cover up's with freedom of information act. we know how london thinks now? we'll ajust accordingly!
sorry but Scotland is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and until the people of Scotland decide otherwise its democracy. Theres states in the USA that always vote republican or democrat, just because the side they back doesnt get into power doesnt mean they are no longer living in a democracy
u view Scotland like its a sovereign state sure u can want that and have a right to try and make it happen, but u have to accept the fact Scotlands part of the UK right now
of course we are? that's fact! for 800 years we were an independent country! and we will be again! sooner or later! we've made amazing leaps forward in just 10 years. and that leap was planned back in the 1950's. the first phase of the long term was to raise cultural awareness. we achieved that and are now ahead of schedule with a devolved parliment and a ruling nationalist party. so it's all good. one step back two forward.
Scotland is not a sovereign state nor is england, its something both countries surrendered when they voted their parliaments out of existence to form the parliament of the United Kingdom and its served our country well.
As for the separatist agenda, i accept u guys have done very well. However if a referendum is held u will not win that vote, theres enough unionists and loyalists still about in Scotland to defend it from separatism. Then ofcourse once the snp is out of power, changes can happen
we did not build holyrood to just phone london for the answer. that's what got labour kicked out of holyrood. now, labour will get booted out of westminster in JUNE(remember where you heard it first) and SNP will return 20 MP'S to westminster. let the next phase commence, AGITATION :)
We built holyrood as a devolved parliament with limited powers. Constitutional matters are very clearly defined as reserved in the Scotland Act. I dont think it was the fact labour called westminister for answers that got them kicked out, it was that labour generally were unpopular across the UK for many things like Iraq
It will be interesting to see how the european elections go although ive never been that interested in them. but i bet u wont win 20 SNP Mps in 2010. :)
lol we will see, ever since the creation of the scottish parliament its clear they do better in the Scottish parliament than they do in the UK elections. Now that might be because of the wacky electoral system in Scotland or it could be people like the SNPs local policies but they hate the international or independence policies.
I mentioned before its a bit like the lib dems. Here in England they do far better in local government elections but people dont want to put them incharge of our army
lol yeah and the army won't vote for a labour goverment either. you should have read the forums on the british army message boards when he visited afghanastan the last time!
lol no disagreement there. :) But my point was some parties are better for certain things Like the lib dems are good at local government but would never get into power at the UK level.
The SNP have a few policies that i like and whilst i hate Salmonds political position i respect his abilities, clearly no leader or MSP comes close to his talents and ability. However independence cant be won for a single man, we have to look to the future, life without salmond.. lol
Something some separatists seem to forget is the Scottish parliament is not the parliament of 300 years ago. It doesnt have the powers or the authority for such matters. and to be quite honest nor does Salmond although he likes to over step the mark to spread his separatist agenda despite him having no powers on the matter.
Like when he wrote to Nuclear non proliferation countries asking them to let Scotland join the club. Totally a reserved matter and way outa line.
I support the monarchy, polls show support for the queen but it doesnt mean i want to put it to a vote. Im sorry but the unionist parties ran on a platform of being PRO union and at the time they were warning people that voting for the SNP could lead to the break up of the UK, something the SNP dismissed. The fact is the SNp focused on many other issues and took advantage of antilabour feeling
Its simple. if the people of Scotland want independence DONT vote for unionist parties who defend it
Now i can understand some unionists voting SNP, knowing theyd have to put the thing to a referendum and wanting to punish labour for the Iraq war. They couldnt protest vote to the lib dems because the lib dems were in bed with labour in Scotland, so the SNP was the only choice.
What i dont get and still fail to understand is how someone can feel strongly about an independent scotland then vote for a unionist party which will defend it. Its like a republican in Northern Ireland voting DUP.
if we had not been fed lies FACT from london over the last 40 years, then we'd already be independent. or do you agree with their behavior in that time?
I dont defend all UK governments actions however the basic principle of defending the state from separatists is an important one and all countries have such policies. The difference is we have only recently opened up to freedom of information and such once private actions have become more clear.
However the actions of someone 40 years ago is less important to most people who care about the future.
SO YOU DON'T BELIVE IN THE RIGHTS OF A PEACEFUL DEMOCRATIC POLITICAL PARTY IN A DEMOCRACY? SHOCKING! so hitler's actions had no outcome on the future? without a past & a present there is no future? i think you should re-examine your opinion on this?
I believe in peaceful democratic political parties in a democracy, but parliaments and government positions have clearly defined roles.
When the people of Scotland vote a majority of separatist Mps to westminister, it will send a clear signal, but at the moment out of 59 the SNP only have 7
As for democratic political parties, well at the very start of the SNP it was a separatist group, ofcourse it was treated as a threat just like a communist party was during the cold war, or the far right
We need a federal system like in the USA, where a state has most powers a country does. So for example it is able to raise and lower taxation including on resources within its own borders like oil and gas.
Thats fine with me, but we need such a thing for each part of the UK, thats why i said we cant just make Scotland and oil a special case. If Salmond dropped the independence issue then everyone could focus on how transfer more financial powers. Instead we have to fight off separatists
europe plans to divide the uk into 6 regions. westminster will go. scotland is earmarked as one region. england will be split 5 ways and northern ireland will be in eire's region.
unfortunatley, the process is so far down the road and powerful we have to join in! westminster serves no purpose now! we should scrap it. and the credit crunch proves it, brown himself says it's global and can't be fixed by the uk on it's own. proves how impotent westminster & the empire is now tru globalisation. so radical govermental changes are needed eg break up the union and re-negotiate position. let the proposed regions take care of themselves and their needs.
Well i agree we need to be part of it however as the UK we have more ability to protect ourselves from it. as the second biggest net contributor to the EU budget we can shield ourselves from some of the EU demands and attempt to help shape it. Scotland on its own would not have the same kind of say that the UK, Germany and France has. Its voice would be weaker.
And ofcourse as the UK we dont have to join the euro, thats a huge transfer of power to europe, and something i (pro european) oppose
An independent scotland under salmond would join the euro something alot of people in Scotland dont want and yet we dont hear much about the euro in independence debates.
SNP seek to join the euro because they know an Independent scottish currency would be very weak. So many people in Scotland will see the SNP seek to transfer some powers from one place (the bank of England, established by a Scotsman) over to Europe.
U can be sure unionist parties will play on that fact to try and divide the snp and separatists if it came to a referendum.
Love the tune!
(Perhaps we should all start to just ignore the numpty from the British Watch Faction? He can not hold an argument together, loves to goad us all this side of the border and anyway he will not have a vote come the referendum.)
AYEscotland 2 years ago 3
he must take his profession as a watchmaker seriously mind? why else would you call yourself britishwatcher if you were'nt dedicated?
tartantess 2 years ago
I cant hold an arument together because my opponents on this matter never seem to accept other points of view or other facts. They simply have their single message on "Scotlands oil" and run around the internet thinking theyd all be living in palaces if it wasnt for the evil English.
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
Great vid. Oil directly paid for, amongst other things, the M25, the channel tunnel, the Thames barrier and other huge infastructure projects in London and the UK's unemployment benefit payments. You never hear the likes of Kelvin MacKenzie mention that. Every day in this union is a wasted day.
mesmiths 2 years ago 2
Great video separatist. Ofcourse oil is just ONE resource used throughout the United Kingdom over a period of 300 years of union. You make out as if the union was stealing Scotlands oil, well did it steal Englands coal or Welsh coal as well?
Oil oil oil, that is all the separatists are obsessed with. Im sorry but when Scotland joined with England it was bankrupt, England paid off Scotlands bills. Also "Scotlands oil" has been defended for 300 years by this union.
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
i agree it is only one resource of many scotland has to mention. we are blessed with an abundance of resources that require a scottish goverment to control. we have seen how incompetent westminster is in managing great resources like oil, gas & banking. they have wasted trillions in the last 40 years. the future is clear now! an independent state! no more money for whitehall!
tartantess 2 years ago
Lol, well the UK is blessed with many resources and has been throughout the past 300 years of our union. Like large levels of coal in England or Wales. The trouble with you separatists is you want to make a special case when it comes to oil.
The UK may very well be on its way to a federal system where Scotland, England, Wales and NI raise their revenues and control resources in their own borders like the US states do. But a single special case cant be made just for Scotland or just for oil
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
lol, we are not a special case! all we want is the same as any other country? self goverment? what is wrong with that? globalization has failed! the people who run ukplc, do not care about you or me! take off the union jack clouding your judgement, and see all a scottish nationalist wants, is to control their money and goverment!
tartantess 2 years ago
Scotland is part of a country called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland there for self government is impossible unless the majority of people support independence (which they dont)
Now there is a serious case for sorting out the mess thats been created by devolution. Its stupid the Scottish parliament decides how to spend money but has no responsibility for how its raised. So we need to move towards some form of federal system, but some special case for oil is unacceptable
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
we are moving towards a fedral system? it's called the european union? FACT. the problem is london is setting it's self up by using the resources of the whole united kingdom to be the only winner.
tartantess 2 years ago
No not the European Union. The UK itself which has for 300 years has a single central government at westminister is moving away from that position since devolution. Scotland and the other parts of the UK will end up with powers like an American state in their federal system
That sort of system would give Scotland most of the powers and control over its oil i hear most separatists whine about. But sadly because we are having to fight off separatists progress on thats limited till the SNPs ousted
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
so your trying to tell me that i should trust a london party to represent me at the negotiating table? you have been sniffing glue.
tartantess 2 years ago
Im saying if the liberal democrats and labour were in power it would be ALOT easier for the UK government to transfer more powers to the Scottish parliament. Its not so easy to do that when the SNP separatists are there.
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
i thought we lived in a democracy? and if the unionists are so confident of no one voting for independence? what's the problem? SNP have achieved more in two years with a minority goverment than labour managed in 8? maybe you don;t know we voted labour for 18 years and got a tory goverment? is that democratic representation? in the last year we;ve discovered goverment cover up's with freedom of information act. we know how london thinks now? we'll ajust accordingly!
tartantess 2 years ago
sorry but Scotland is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and until the people of Scotland decide otherwise its democracy. Theres states in the USA that always vote republican or democrat, just because the side they back doesnt get into power doesnt mean they are no longer living in a democracy
u view Scotland like its a sovereign state sure u can want that and have a right to try and make it happen, but u have to accept the fact Scotlands part of the UK right now
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
of course we are? that's fact! for 800 years we were an independent country! and we will be again! sooner or later! we've made amazing leaps forward in just 10 years. and that leap was planned back in the 1950's. the first phase of the long term was to raise cultural awareness. we achieved that and are now ahead of schedule with a devolved parliment and a ruling nationalist party. so it's all good. one step back two forward.
tartantess 2 years ago
Scotland is not a sovereign state nor is england, its something both countries surrendered when they voted their parliaments out of existence to form the parliament of the United Kingdom and its served our country well.
As for the separatist agenda, i accept u guys have done very well. However if a referendum is held u will not win that vote, theres enough unionists and loyalists still about in Scotland to defend it from separatism. Then ofcourse once the snp is out of power, changes can happen
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
we did not build holyrood to just phone london for the answer. that's what got labour kicked out of holyrood. now, labour will get booted out of westminster in JUNE(remember where you heard it first) and SNP will return 20 MP'S to westminster. let the next phase commence, AGITATION :)
tartantess 2 years ago
We built holyrood as a devolved parliament with limited powers. Constitutional matters are very clearly defined as reserved in the Scotland Act. I dont think it was the fact labour called westminister for answers that got them kicked out, it was that labour generally were unpopular across the UK for many things like Iraq
It will be interesting to see how the european elections go although ive never been that interested in them. but i bet u wont win 20 SNP Mps in 2010. :)
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
i think your right. it looks more like 30 just now with the latest local polls but i'm sure that will shrink
tartantess 2 years ago
lol we will see, ever since the creation of the scottish parliament its clear they do better in the Scottish parliament than they do in the UK elections. Now that might be because of the wacky electoral system in Scotland or it could be people like the SNPs local policies but they hate the international or independence policies.
I mentioned before its a bit like the lib dems. Here in England they do far better in local government elections but people dont want to put them incharge of our army
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
lol yeah and the army won't vote for a labour goverment either. you should have read the forums on the british army message boards when he visited afghanastan the last time!
tartantess 2 years ago
lol no disagreement there. :) But my point was some parties are better for certain things Like the lib dems are good at local government but would never get into power at the UK level.
The SNP have a few policies that i like and whilst i hate Salmonds political position i respect his abilities, clearly no leader or MSP comes close to his talents and ability. However independence cant be won for a single man, we have to look to the future, life without salmond.. lol
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
Something some separatists seem to forget is the Scottish parliament is not the parliament of 300 years ago. It doesnt have the powers or the authority for such matters. and to be quite honest nor does Salmond although he likes to over step the mark to spread his separatist agenda despite him having no powers on the matter.
Like when he wrote to Nuclear non proliferation countries asking them to let Scotland join the club. Totally a reserved matter and way outa line.
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
I support the monarchy, polls show support for the queen but it doesnt mean i want to put it to a vote. Im sorry but the unionist parties ran on a platform of being PRO union and at the time they were warning people that voting for the SNP could lead to the break up of the UK, something the SNP dismissed. The fact is the SNp focused on many other issues and took advantage of antilabour feeling
Its simple. if the people of Scotland want independence DONT vote for unionist parties who defend it
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
Now i can understand some unionists voting SNP, knowing theyd have to put the thing to a referendum and wanting to punish labour for the Iraq war. They couldnt protest vote to the lib dems because the lib dems were in bed with labour in Scotland, so the SNP was the only choice.
What i dont get and still fail to understand is how someone can feel strongly about an independent scotland then vote for a unionist party which will defend it. Its like a republican in Northern Ireland voting DUP.
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
if we had not been fed lies FACT from london over the last 40 years, then we'd already be independent. or do you agree with their behavior in that time?
tartantess 2 years ago
I dont defend all UK governments actions however the basic principle of defending the state from separatists is an important one and all countries have such policies. The difference is we have only recently opened up to freedom of information and such once private actions have become more clear.
However the actions of someone 40 years ago is less important to most people who care about the future.
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
SO YOU DON'T BELIVE IN THE RIGHTS OF A PEACEFUL DEMOCRATIC POLITICAL PARTY IN A DEMOCRACY? SHOCKING! so hitler's actions had no outcome on the future? without a past & a present there is no future? i think you should re-examine your opinion on this?
tartantess 2 years ago
I believe in peaceful democratic political parties in a democracy, but parliaments and government positions have clearly defined roles.
When the people of Scotland vote a majority of separatist Mps to westminister, it will send a clear signal, but at the moment out of 59 the SNP only have 7
As for democratic political parties, well at the very start of the SNP it was a separatist group, ofcourse it was treated as a threat just like a communist party was during the cold war, or the far right
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
We need a federal system like in the USA, where a state has most powers a country does. So for example it is able to raise and lower taxation including on resources within its own borders like oil and gas.
Thats fine with me, but we need such a thing for each part of the UK, thats why i said we cant just make Scotland and oil a special case. If Salmond dropped the independence issue then everyone could focus on how transfer more financial powers. Instead we have to fight off separatists
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
europe plans to divide the uk into 6 regions. westminster will go. scotland is earmarked as one region. england will be split 5 ways and northern ireland will be in eire's region.
tartantess 2 years ago
How do u feel about the EU?
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
unfortunatley, the process is so far down the road and powerful we have to join in! westminster serves no purpose now! we should scrap it. and the credit crunch proves it, brown himself says it's global and can't be fixed by the uk on it's own. proves how impotent westminster & the empire is now tru globalisation. so radical govermental changes are needed eg break up the union and re-negotiate position. let the proposed regions take care of themselves and their needs.
tartantess 2 years ago
Well i agree we need to be part of it however as the UK we have more ability to protect ourselves from it. as the second biggest net contributor to the EU budget we can shield ourselves from some of the EU demands and attempt to help shape it. Scotland on its own would not have the same kind of say that the UK, Germany and France has. Its voice would be weaker.
And ofcourse as the UK we dont have to join the euro, thats a huge transfer of power to europe, and something i (pro european) oppose
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
An independent scotland under salmond would join the euro something alot of people in Scotland dont want and yet we dont hear much about the euro in independence debates.
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
lol i think the SNP's slogan at all european election's might give it away? INDEPENDENT IN EUROPE
tartantess 2 years ago
SNP seek to join the euro because they know an Independent scottish currency would be very weak. So many people in Scotland will see the SNP seek to transfer some powers from one place (the bank of England, established by a Scotsman) over to Europe.
U can be sure unionist parties will play on that fact to try and divide the snp and separatists if it came to a referendum.
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago