Let Byron Thomas Keep his COnfederate Flag UP

[Texas82able]

"From 1861-1865, the damnyankee came down into Dixie and waged 'total war' on the Great South and committed brutal acts of violence against Southern civilians, soldiers, and slaves."

"For 4 years, Northern scum illegally invaded the Great South and terrorized and killed Southern civilians, soldiers, and slaves."

"For me, loyalty towards the Great South is stronger and runs much deeper than patriotism towards the Union. Screw the Union."

[ZePwner350]

I think you are misguided, just because of hate groups such as the KKK and NSM hijacked it, it's not a racist symbol. The confederates fought over the issue of states rights and unfair taxing, and also, 100,000 free black soldiers willingly fought for the confederacy. And the small town from New York, a free state, known as Town Line, joined the confederacy.

[Addiskrilla]

I wonder what them white folks think of this?

[sarahdestiny123]

Let me tell ya somethin, we southern people belive in the flag as being proud of living in the south, you black city folks see it as racism, its nice to see that there are black folks that stand for the rebel flag more folks needs be like him. The flag didnt come down durin the war and the flag aint comin down now.

[Angel317537]

@shadowdumba*#, but then again, its useless to argue with u. I know my facts. The waves of stupidness emanating from your statements may make me as dumb as u

[Angel317537]

@shadowwhatever, u want to make fun of my native american heritage? U wouldnt do it to my face! I know a hell of a lot more on this subject than u do. I was simply stating y the south used the st andrews cross

[shadowmancer122]

@Angel317537

Actually, when I initially replied to your comments, I didn't know you were an native American. I only realized that later while reading another comment you posted. I don't have any grievances against your people nor was it my intent to disrespect your heritage. I thouht you were a white southerner.

[Angel317537]

@shadowmancer, im clearly 100 times better than u bcuz im not individually attacking people w/out cause. U want to make fun of people based on where they live? Your all brave behind your computer screen

[shadowmancer122]

@pmack169

Yep, he's free to pick your fucking cotton and call you "sir" and "massa". I'm free to curse you and your family to hell.

[aguild2011]

NO, it's 2011 if you want to stick to the old white vs black BS from slavery then that's you. Go join the NAACP, also the reason why only old people join it.. it's 2012 get over that black and white stuff.

[aguild2011]

Strange is all these African-Americans wearing white people clothing (Hollister) black rappers calling themselves Babies. All these black girls trying to be white ( long fingernails, long hair, red lips) Come and stop it, it’s 2012 and we live in America. I don’t know what country you guys are from, but in the U.S. we have the freedom of choice and we live and let live. Also Africans own slaves too, and they sold them to white people, why not be mad at all of Africa?

[polishclark]

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people'(Abraham Lincoln) Hmmm this guy fought a war to abolish slavery. REALLY?!!!

[polishclark]

@polishclark "all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free..(lists Confederate states).. I do order and declare that all persons held as slaves within said designated States, and parts of States, are, and henceforward shall be free" (EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION) Its interesting he ONLY freed slaves in the south, when slavery still lived in the north

[MRYOUNG702]

@polishclark Yeah Its sick huh? You should see what I said about Lincoln in My vidoe "Republican lies that I hate..."

[iamthefuture000]

KKK also used the cross, are u gonna let that stop u from worshiping???

When are ppl gonna let this shit go and realise that none of this shit really matters?

DISTRACTIONS LIKE THIS ARE KEEPING PPL FROM WHATS REALLY GOING ON

[mazambulla]

YOU ARE TELL THE TRUTH MAKE MORE VIDE

[SplitLighting]

SLAVERY IS THE PAST DUDE, 160 FUCKING YEARS AGO, GET OVER IT GOD DAMN IT!

[bigtrain96]

he is from the Csra :D TEAM BYRON!!!

[speckles61711]

Byron Thomas is one of my bestfriends. this guy up here talking about him, yeah i like that he understands Byron's freedom of speech... but one thing he doesn't really understand is who Byron is. I have known Byron for the past 4 years && i know completely that he wouldnt put the flag up to piss people off, but rather he really would put the flag up.. because he is a very peaceful guy. he just wants people to come together on this one, not grow apart. i mean come on this happened years ago !

[shadowmancer122]

@speckles61711

After reading this sugary dribble I feel like I should get checked for diabetes.

[MdandThcrew]

I wish I could speak for all my fellow northerners when I say God bless and keep on fighting. Anyone who knows beans about the Civil War knows that the Confederate flag should not be a symbol of racism, but of honor, freedom, and regional pride. That is what the Confederates were fighting and dying for, and that is what they should be remembered for. And before you try to jump on me im black.....and mryoung please do research on the subject, not just open the nearest textbook.

[MRYOUNG702]

@MdandThcrew What research do I need... I know what that fag stood for.. Its funny how you people who support the flag, forget that one part... (slavery) Then tell us we're ignorant.. Its like your Grandparents signed a contract that said they want respect honor and pride in their land, but there is a clause that said but the guy next to them has to die... I'm that guy's grandchild and the thought of that contract doesn't sit well with me...

[darthroden]

@MRYOUNG702 LOL who are you calling a "fag" pal?

[MRYOUNG702]

@darthroden you sure I called you a fag? C'mon son... This is the internet, I'm to grown to disrepect and not be able to see what your reaction is face to face

[Angel317537]

afterwards, the 2nd national & 3rd national was also created, along with many more state flags, & other battle flags. so, in short, the conf. flag does have true meaning, but there are too many people who fly it for the wrong reasons. i fly it to remember those men & boys, young & old, who died during that bloody war, & i fly the american flag for the same reasons

[Angel317537]

the conf. battle flag has the "southern cross", aka the "st. andrew's cross". i already posted the explaination of the St. Andrew's cross, which is a religious symbol such as st. mary, st. nicholas, st. francis, & st. jude. it has more meaning behind the conf. flag than most think

[Angel317537]

during the battle of bull run, there was some confusion as to who this F.N. flag belonged to, since it resembled the us flag. so Conf. Gen. P.G.T. Beauregard felt a seperate battle flag should be created. thus, the creation of the Conf. Battle flag.

[Angel317537]

the F.N.flag had the blue square in the upper left corner similar to the us flag, but it started out with 7 stars in a circle, & the amount grew when more states joined the confederacy. the rest of the flag was 3 red & white bars, 2 red, 1 white.

[Angel317537]

early 1861, when the confederacy was born, they needed their own national flag. some felt it should look different than the us one, others felt it should be similar. so their first n. flag was created, also called the "stars & bars". the us was the "stars & stripes"

[Angel317537]

@ i got my book out so i could give u true info instead of guessing. u your self stated in your vid that u took notes! i dont make a habit of keeping notes around 4 arguments such as these, so im making notes!. i cant remember all this word 4 word. by the way, this was the FIRST time during our discussion that i have had 2 refer 2 a book 2 check my info. i study this 4 a living. im a civil war reenactor after all. so shut up & listen 2 this info u yourself requested!

[Angel317537]

the north over taxed the south just like the British did to America. the north wanted to pay very little for products from the south,much less than what the products were worth. there were more disagreements leading up to the war

[Angel317537]

@mryoung- i will give u a brief history of the flags of the confederacy but I ask for your patience while I look in my books to find the proper info. but in the mean time, the flags of the confederacy are symbols of pride, just like the American flag is. America did not want to be controlled by a British king & the south didn't want to be controlled by the north. slavery was only a tiny part of the disagreement

[MRYOUNG702]

@Angel317537  @Michael71186 So far you've said what i said... And that was slavery was only a part of it.. and since you need to get a book you've wasted your time, arguing a point that you haven't studied well enough to pull atleast some facts out the air. Michael handled that, thank you... And even though he expounded on his feelings my opinion still remains that once all things are considered its slightly strange to see Black dude flying that flag. and yes I did call Byron and idiot, it was

[MRYOUNG702]

@Angel317537 @Michael71186 half-jokingly, but if you watch his vid the by is smart, he is making a statement, but the way he is making it is questionable.. Why would anyone with the understand that the people they are making a statement to will not understand the flag use the flag anyway. He definitely suits the flag tho because he was ready to be defiant to the bloody end... but still I would not use it, because with all things said it takes too long to explain to myself the positive heritage

[Angel317537]

& by the way, u still haven't answered my question as to y the Confederate flag is racist & not the American flag & Christian flag is not? this is the third time i have asked u. I really hate repeating myself

[Angel317537]

u say to Michael that if someone actually describes the real meaning of the con. flag, it probably wouldnt be slandered so badly. well,NEWS FLASH! i tried to explain to u the true creation & meaning to the con. flag, & u plainly said it was irrelevent. how does that make any sense? please explain if u can

[MRYOUNG702]

@Angel317537 you explained why it was colored ad designed the way it was... The design of the flag is not on trial... the usage is. So it was irrelevant to the argument in a sense that you showed why they chose to design it in such a manner, but the reason they needed it is the point of the conversation...

[Angel317537]

ok, so u r bothered by the "political" aspect of the flag? so y does it matter that a black guy is flying it, if the "political" meaning is worse than the racist meaning? if a white person on campus flew the flag, u wouldnt be posting vids here, trying to get attention, if it is really about "politics". u r making this out to be a racist debate, weather u want to admit it or not

[MRYOUNG702]

@Angel317537 trying to get attention? thanks for giving it to me for 2+ hours now.. I'm bothered by both aspects.. But if it were just about racism I would understand him flying it, because currently in America not every one that flies it is racist... I.E. Kid Rock (best example I got; used it twice) but to claim it as a heritage symbol, Heritage starts with an action so what historical action was it that put such strong heritage behind it? I don't see that and you have not explained it to me.

[Michael71186]

@MRYOUNG702 "Heritage starts with an action so what historical action was it that put such strong heritage behind it?"

Southern independence maybe? Hundreds of thousands of men being killed and maimed in a war for Southern independence? You cannot be this obtuse. The South has a unique culture to the North, still does to this day. The flag was an embodiment of Southern culture and people and they fought and died under it. But you don't see the heritage...you've got to be kidding.

[MRYOUNG702]

@Michael71186 So now I get that, but still you say independence, so still to the day the flag represents the CSA... .I'm from Louisiana... and I can tell you being from the South that flag is flown dichotomously.. Some people just like that old Southern heritage of being solid. I dig that, not changing regardless of what "they say" I dig that being stubborn in a strong "manly way" i dig that.. But all hat also meant that we would stubbornly disagree to freeing our slaves, and we will adamantly

[MRYOUNG702]

@Michael71186 separate from the union, and then 50 years later when only the states that did seperate from the union start passing laws that prohibited the freedom of those slaves the turned and in the same stubborn manner wave their flags in these peoples' faces as they fought to gain true acceptance how can those people not feel a littel different about that flag? and how can you deny that didn't happen and get pissed if race come up? Because I more clearly see it as a sign of stubborn

[Michael71186]

@MRYOUNG702 Well first of all, cheers on being from Louisiana, I am too! So we have something in common here.

As for the manner in which the flag is flown, I absolutely agree it is flown by people for different reasons. I'm a HUGE proponent on people understanding and recognizing that, but I'm not seeing that recognition when I see videos and comments of people blasting a kid for displaying the flag or blanketly condemning it as racist and not a legitimate, non-hateful display.

[Michael71186]

@MRYOUNG702 It's flown by some to signify their hatred for blacks, no question, but those people are just as ignorant of its original history as others. The KKK uses the American flag as a symbol too. The CSA was little different than the USA in terms of any kind of morality. Culture, however, was largely different. Many of us see the flag as a part of our southern history of cultural uniqueness from the north, and that is not restricted to whites alone by any means.

[Michael71186]

@MRYOUNG702 "how can those people not feel a littel different about that flag? and how can you deny that didn't happen and get pissed if race come up?"

I didn't say they shouldn't feel different, but if they assert that it can only be a racist symbol then they are ignorant. I understand that Iraqis may have a different view of the American flag, but if they tell me that flag represents hate and murder and I shouldn't display it then I will surely take issue with that.

[MRYOUNG702]

@Michael71186 Telling someone they shouldn't feel indifferent about it they shouldn't feel indifferent about the flag is minimizing the more recent history. Like I said I see it both ways, and i understand it both ways... But after adding it up and really weighing it out, I still would feel uncomfortable flying it... And as I already stated I question those that do, but after they show me their cool, I'm cool.

[MRYOUNG702]

@Angel317537 no its not about race, him being Black is significant because of the racist issues associated with the flag. So if no one can explain the heritage, but we all know the flag represents a country that was formed by traitors, that then lost the right to be a country only 4 years later, and that it was used by a group of racists. What part of did I miss that was so great about it. All I know it as is a rebel flag but why would a rebel fly a flag with so much loss in its history?

[Michael71186]

@MRYOUNG702 "What part of did I miss that was so great about it"

Why does this matter? Nobody is arguing that you should revere the flag or its cause. The argument is that to deem others "ignorant" for appreciating the flag as a representation of their culture and their heritage is completely obnoxious. I might not see what is so great about some other flags of other cultures, but I don't condemn those of which the flags hold some meaning as being racists or idiots.

[Angel317537]

& im only giving partial facts because i have no room to post an entire book, if u havent noticed. but think about it, my partial facts against your ignorant opinions, i think i know who wins that argument.

[Angel317537]

@mryoung- your not making any sense. u say that the confederate flag was created with racism in mind. then u say it wasnt, only that it was adopted by racist people. do U even know what u are talking about? no my only response was not calling u racist! do u see howmany times i commented to correct u? all i said was that u were fueled by your racist opinions. i said that ONCE! so that is not my only response.

[MRYOUNG702]

@Angel317537 You me saying the south "didn't like that idea" the wrong way. They didn't want to lose financially and they didn't want to lose their way of life, and all that was spawned by losing the slaves. where was the correction needed? I didnt know what a Christian flag was, seen it b4 but didnt recognize it as such, so you corrected me there.. but at what point will you tell me where this strong heritage started & where someone in history flew the flag with that idea in mind

[Angel317537]

& about flying a "losers" flag: do u quit cheering for your favorite sports team just bcuz they lose? we fly the confederate flag bcuz we feel we were right to leave the over-controlling Union. how would u feel if someone came along & told u that u couldnt make a living this way, but only that way? & those same people took half of your earnings & not just a little through taxing. thats how the south was treated. the north wanted to control them

[Angel317537]

@mryoung- people like u, dont even go there! your trying to say im racist. i mean uneducated people. also, yes u did say the flag was created with slavery in mind. your exact words were, "... America at least made an attempt to abolish slavery. that confederate flag was created bcuz the south didnt like that idea." sounds like that to me. then u said,"it was adopted as a symbol of racism. not by confederate soldiers, but by racist & bigoted whites after the war." your contridicting your self

[MRYOUNG702]

@Angel317537 I also said that the political aspect of the flag was more important the the racial 5:20 in to the video. And no the South did not like that Idea. Freeing the slaves meant the North as putting the out of business, and also meddling in their personal affairs as individual states, so they created a the flag when they fell away from the country and from a new based n those reasons. and the second part was also true was it not? "people like me" I had misinformed poeple in mind not race

[Angel317537]

& yes, some of the Americans chose to abolish slavery, after they were the ones who started it to begin with. go get REAL FACTS before commenting again. but i can see i could give u true facts word for word & u wouldnt listen to them. u r fueled by your racist opinions & wont listen to the facts! your basically wasting my time but im somewhat enjoying proving u wrong

[MRYOUNG702]

@Angel317537 Who doesn't know that that North was where slavery started, (indentured servitude) so they were obligated to right that wrong as they did, the South didn't have to fight the change, Funny you called me; racist how so?... The funny thing is you've given me partial fact after partial fact to prove and because they don;t add up to me, even as I said let the flag fly its not that serious your only response is to call me racist... Typical ignorant response

[Angel317537]

& yes, i do want u to give true civil war history bcuz so far, u havent given ANY proven facts & i honestly doubt u have the facts to begin with! most northern soldiers & generals such as Grant stated that if the war was really about slavery, than they wouldnt have fought to begin with.

[Angel317537]

the Confederat flag was not created with slavery in mind! the "X" symbol originated in Scottland, where most of the south originated from! the "X" is the St. Andrew's Cross! St. Andrew was a follower of Jesus Christ. when he was being crucified, he requested his cross to be tilted side ways, bcuz he didnt feel worthy enough to be crucified the saw way of his Lord!

[MRYOUNG702]

@Angel317537 I never said thef flag was created with slavery in mind. who are eople like me again? I said the flag was flown to represent the CSA when they decided to branch off from the Union(slavery was only part of that decision) Whatever symbolism they used to make the flag look the way it did is irrelevant to the fact that it was used as the flag of a newly formed country... Created by traitors that didn't last long enough for children born in its inception to go to kindergaten..

[shadowmancer122]

@Angel317537

The "X" symbol didn't originate in Scotland but being a redneck you wouldn't know this. You people know nothing outside your shitty states which is why America is in steady decline (thank God!!!!!!). It's the Greek symbol "chi" and has it's origins in the Chi Rho Cross. The Spanish had a similar saltaire flag called the flag of Burgandy. The Scotts adopted the saltaire cross in the 10 century when they made Andrew the patron saint of Scotland.

[Angel317537]

OMG! your dumber than a box of s*#t! the Christian flag is flown in most REAL churches! its white & usually near the American flag. & yes, i am giving true civil war history bcuz of people like YOU, who refuse to look it up themselves!

[shadowmancer122]

@Angel317537

"Christian flag"? Please. There are no christians in the south. Just scum needing Satan, the four horseman of the acopcalypse and Abbadon to wipe them and their culture out. The only christian sect to my knowledge that flys a flag are the Anglicans (Church of England) which rednecks call Episcopalian. The Vatican also has a flag but catholics aren't proper christians.

[polishclark]

@shadowmancer122 You can disagree with Catholicism, but you cannot say that they aren't proper christians. Catholics are the ONLY "christians" Prior to the Protestant Reformation in the 18th century, Catholicism (and the Orthodox) WERE christianity. Protestants have since attempted to hijack the name, but they are merely heretical schismatics, who took the bible and those doctrines they liked, and threw the rest away. They don't even have the bible if weren't for St Jerome.

[polishclark]

@polishclark oops, accidently pushed the 8 instead of the 6. Of course the Protestant Reformation was in the 16th century. Not that stupid lol.

[shadowmancer122]

@polishclark

By the time of the Protestant Reformation, I wouldn't call what the catholic church was pacticing christianity. By that time, the catholic church was corrupted having incorporated paganism into christian doctrine. Also, by then the church was more interested in secular politics, conquest and empire building than spreading the word of God. I assume you're a papist.

[polishclark]

@shadowmancer122 There def was corruption(not paganism), but the counter reformation did revive and reform the church. Pius V was one of the greatest of that time. Yes, I am a papist, but that wasn't my argument. I was just making the point that if you look at it historically, protestants can't make a claim to christianity. Especially if you consider the fact that in luther's life time, the "reform'" movement was already splintering into every which direction.

[MRYOUNG702]

@polishclark If by definition Christian means believer in Christ, then why not call them Christian? & why does it matter? People say that religion is devisive, but the only people it divides are the religious. Who cares what religion Martin Luther was. Those were important historicl milestones but Christ didn't preach Lutheran, Baptist, Catholic or anything else. We spend way tooo much time arguing almost ancient ideologies (1 Tim 1:4 KJV). My view? "If you believe let's roll"

[polishclark]

@MRYOUNG702 Well, He established the Catholic Church, so, in that sense, I do not believe that protestants are Christ followers (which is what it means) in the real intent of the word. But, I mean no offense. I thought you were labeling Catholics as non-Christian, so I just wanted to correct that, since i had a protestant roommate who tried convince me of that. But, he also thought that the King James version of the Bible was the original and first bible ever written lol.

[polishclark]

@polishclark I mean what shadowmancer wrote. I forgot to look at the name tag lol.

[MRYOUNG702]

@polishclark LOL... See how much I know... I thought he started the Protestant church.. I'm not sure I would call a Catholic a Christian.. Follower or BEeliever makes a big difference in this context.. Because A true Christ follower would never pray to Mary, or canonize, their cousin on Friday and pray to him Saturday morning.. Gotta agree with ya there

[polishclark]

@MRYOUNG702 I hope that your sarcasm does not include the first part of your comment. Peter was the first pope. Paul, which is all that protestants read, had probably the biggest role in the early church. The term Catholic was used to desribe the new church by St. Ignatius in the 1st century. Don't even try to make that argument. No theologian with half a brain would. As for Mary, we do not pray TO her. We pray to God, but ask Mary and the saints for intercession. Big difference.

[Nayna1mom]

HES doin something right obviously hes getting a COLLEGE EDUCATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!

[Angel317537]

@mryoung- sorry, 2ndly, do u find the Christian flag or the cross racist? becuz both were also adopted by racist people as symbols of their organizations like the kkk. finding the Confederate flag racist & not the others is an act of a hypocrite

[MRYOUNG702]

@Angel317537 1. what the hell is a Christian flag? 2. if a cross is on fire hell yeah i think its a symbol of racism. I'm all up tight and violent at that point. The american Flag? not really, because America atleast made an attempt to abolish slavery. That Confederate flag was created because the South didn't like that idea. Then the South LOST THAT WAR. So what heritage does the Confederate Flag represent? A legacy of losing? why just fly Britain, French or Mexican flag? We beat them too

[MRYOUNG702]

@Angel317537 and I don't think the flag is racist its inanimate.. I KNOW certain groups of people who fly it are... That's why I say let the boy have his flag.. He is trying to just represent his "Southern Heritage" by displaying the flag they used when they separated from America from America as a country then got the crap beat out of them until they submitted.. So if he reps his region by flying the flag of losers let him, that's his choice.

[shadowmancer122]

@Angel317537

The cross in the hands of a white southerners is racist. My only hope is that Abaddon, the angel of desolation and destruction, the ruler of the bottomless pit kill you people. If you don't know who Abaddon is you should read the Book of Revelation or the Book of Job. You might also want to read the Tanakh which is what the Jews call the old Testament. It's slighty different for your "Christian" version. Before God I curse you people.

[Angel317537]

@mryoung- first of all, u didn't answer my question about the American flag. sounds like your avoiding the question. 2ndly, do u finde C

[Angel317537]

This is a test. My comments are not posting

[L8Pilot]

Byron Thomas is cool. He knows his history. In spite of the lies they teach in public school, the Confederates did not fight to preserve slavery. The yankees did not fight to end slavery. Lincoln hated Blacks. Lee freed his slaves.  Grant owned slaves. His own Black Ancestor was one of the thousands of Blacks that fought for the Confederacy. Byron Thomas teaches that those who fly the Confederate flag are not enemies of African Americans. More people should listen to him.

[MRYOUNG702]

@L8Pilot SO what does THAT have to do with the confederate flag being used as a symbol of hatred after the war?

[Michael71186]

@MRYOUNG702 What does THAT have to do with the fact that that is not what the flag originally stood for? Obviously you acknowledge that the flag was hijacked and used by groups in a manner not accurate to its historical meaning. Thus the flag can be recognized to have different meanings, the truest of which being that of its founding, not its resurrection by criminal elements.

Why we are simply supposed to surrender the flag's meaning to those who hijacked it is beyond me.

[MRYOUNG702]

@Michael71186 SO what was its original meaning? since you know.. Tell us what it originally stood for

[Michael71186]

@MRYOUNG702 You wish for me to give some broad explanation of Civil War history and its context in a youtube comment? You can read books for yourself if you are that uneducated on the time period.

Above you disregarded the original history of the flag being meaningful merely because of how it was often used by certain groups after the war. Is that your logic? That's how you replied to the comment above, so it sounds as though you couldn't care less about the flag's original use.

[MRYOUNG702]

@Michael71186 or it sounds like you don't know what it was used for... ITS A DAMN FLAG, ot was used to do what flags do.. As symbol o a certain group country, or organization, in this case the Confederate states of America, Not the Southern United States states. It did NOT represent a region of the US it represented a NEW COUNTRY. It represents war, dissension, and division of the Union formed in 1776, and subsequently formed with every state that joined the union after that date.

[Michael71186]

@MRYOUNG702 Ah yes.My knowledge of the Civil War is so vastly inferior to yours. lulz

I notice you run away from the idiotic statement you made, which I particularly referenced, and have instead chosen to make some broad statement about basically nothing. I'm quite aware of the flag's representation of the CSA. And it represents war and dissension as much as the American flag does. It represents different things to different people, but you'd rather define it for everyone yourself.

[MRYOUNG702]

@Michael71186 What was the idiotic statement? that the flag isn't meaningful? It has vast historic meaning, that meaning is just crap... and anti American... I stand by everything I said.. Thank you

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[Michael71186]

@MRYOUNG702 See, you are now confused bc you went off on some irrelevant tangent instead of responding to what I specifically referenced in my original response.

In response to someone attempting to put the flag and its meaning in its original context, you stated that that didn't matter because of the manner it had been used after the war. That is an idiotic statement. That means you get to arbitrarily pick and choose how the flag should be defined and you choose against its original meaning.

[MRYOUNG702]

@Michael71186 in the video did i expound on it being political or racist? I did not pick its original meaning it was a political symbol from day one. The primary function of most flags we can recognize is a political symbol.. I didn't recreate, pick, or choose that.. that is what it is.. and we both agree that the politics behind were dissension in American history.. So what was so ignorant if you have a greed thus far?

[Michael71186]

@MRYOUNG702 Are you pretending as though you didn't emphasize the racial element of this flag? You hate this flag and think Byron is "dumb" because he hangs a flag that represented dissension? Nonsense. You make claims that the flag is a symbol of racism and Byron not being "down with the black thing."

The fact is, displaying the Confederate flag does not make one racist and it doesn't make Byron any less proud of his racial lineage.

[MRYOUNG702]

@Michael71186 No I emphasized them both and you are only focused on the racial... I feel the political was more important 5:20 in the video "more importantly because I consider myself patriotic....... "

[MRYOUNG702]

@Michael71186 I agree with that statement, Kid Rock flies the Confederate flag and that's a cool dude (just as 1 example of many) but to argue that it has some meaningful heritage and to an Black person is dumb... and if so explain what that meaningful heritage is because I must have missed it. and in his own personal video he proclaims to be the Whitest Black Guy you will ever meet. AM I wrong for agreeing with him?

[MRYOUNG702]

@Michael71186 No I'm not defining the flag for everyone. YOu are on MY YOUTUBE CHANNEL... this is my frikking opinion... If it means something else to you then fly it, I said that in the video as well even though I said it jokingly.. You are trying to enlighten me on your opinion of it as I am you, so how am I trying to control the world view of a piece of multicolored fabric.. that was the asinine comment

[Michael71186]

@MRYOUNG702 Yes, you are giving your opinion, you are also judging others and calling them "dumb" because they don't share your uninformed perspective on the flag. Your opinion obnoxiously attempts to narrowly define a symbol that you are quite ill informed of. God forbid someone counters your nonsense propaganda about the Confederate flag. I don't care if the Confederate flag means nothing to you, but for you to denigrate and mischaracterize its meaning to others is insulting.

[MRYOUNG702]

@Michael71186 Apparently you didn't realize that I wasn't fully serious in this video. I just re-watched it and if I were Byron I might feel offended... Because the joke is on me.. but as for as a non-associated party and by the way I said "ignit" instead of ignorant, it should have been obvious that I wasn't full on serious... Then even as I called him dumb, I said leave him alone, so why does my personal opinion even matter if I still support the fact that he has a right to fly it?

[Michael71186]

@MRYOUNG702 "so why does my personal opinion even matter if I still support the fact that he has a right to fly it?"

Oh c'mon, what are you going to say, that he doesn't have the right to fly it? We're all aware of his right, that's irrelevant. The issue stems from the character assassination of people who revere the flag. Condemning people as racist or ignorant for not succumbing to the slander of those who don't share the heritage of the flag.

[MRYOUNG702]

@Michael71186 WHAT is the heritage of the flag, or what part of the flags heritage should be so proudly proclaimed.. maybe if you explained that people wouldn't slander it so much.. When given the chance to you told me to read a book, care to try again?

[Michael71186]

@MRYOUNG702 lol. You asked me to tell you the meaning of the flag. That's like asking someone to tell you the meaning of the German flag or the American flag. That's the most open ended and subjective question, and an answer of any substance could not possibly be given in 500 characters. The primary point is, the original meaning of the flag is not anti-black. It's no more anti-black than the American flag, but it sure is portrayed SOLELY in that way by everyone insulting Byron.

[Michael71186]

@MRYOUNG702 Also, the men who ruled and fought under that banner, the population who lived under it, were not some monsters. They fought and died under that flag and had great reverence for it. To act as if to display a flag that has great meaning to many people throughout the south whose families died in its name is truly insulting. No one is making you pay homage to the flag yet there is organized propaganda to slander anyone who dares display it as a symbol of heritage.

[MRYOUNG702]

@Michael71186 You cannot say " SOLELY in that way by everyone insulting Byron." because that disavows me saying everything past 5:20 of this video... and you keep ignoring that fact and jumping on the racism aspect. You ignored my point about Kid Rock, this conversation is you arguing race(which is only a minor aspect) and me arguing everything else, come up here where I am if you want to move beyond the racial aspect of the flag.

[Michael71186]

@MRYOUNG702 You are being completely disingenuous if you argue that the controversy over the flag isn't racial. It's entirely racial. No one argues, "how dare the South secede over taxes and concerns over federalism!" when they call people ignorant over the flag. Otherwise the debate would be centered on whether the constitution allows state self-determination and like issues.

Granted you may disagree with rebellion from the Union, whatever.

[MRYOUNG702]

@Michael71186 That is true no one else said that... But I did.. you are talking to me. not everyone else.. the reason why I said that was because I was pointing out that the flag was not flown in a way, or under any person/creed that added any type of heritage that, what seems like, most people can agree with.. So all everyone else has to go on is racism... so I say to you again..I ask you to enlighten me.

[Michael71186]

@MRYOUNG702 You mention racism quite prominently in your video and comments. Granted you mention that you don't agree with rebellion as well, but something tells me you aren't worked up over a black kids' display of a flag just bc you think it was unpatriotic 160 years ago when a faction broke off from the Union. The fact is, America was formed in the exact same way and American founders promoted the notion of armed revolution even after the founding of this country.

[MRYOUNG702]

@MRYOUNG702 rebellion i don't get so tight when i see it, but i am watchful. and I need to see whether or not i can trust the guy waving it am i wrong for that? NO way you can say that I am.because that also happened. But the action claim was so honorable, was really just rebellious... whether you feel it was positive or negative

[MRYOUNG702]

@Michael71186 yes you can tell me in 500 characters... what does the American flag mean? It's a symbol of freedom and liberty because America adopted that flag after freeing themselves from England, in other countries its a symbol of oppression because of how we can be "big brotehrish, in our would politics" 220 characters...

[MRYOUNG702]

@Michael71186 and since the South lost it represents LOSING... then when it was in its last stages of life a hate group picked itup and ran with as a reminder of an entire 4 whole years (as opposed to the 200+ yrs of history America had at the time) where they had some inkling of choice when it came to how that treated Negros(o coloreds or niggers according to who you ask). Then after that it was picked up by Southern based rock bands as a symbol, of fighting the systematic norm and rebelling..

[Michael71186]

@MRYOUNG702 Lol. Obviously it represents more than "losing" to others. Your childish attempts to define it are quite telling of your lack of objectivity in the matter.

Whether you like it or not, the Confederate flag is a historical symbol of southern history and heritage. It represented the numerous southern states in their failed attempt at independence. Hundreds of thousands of men died under the banner. Over 90% of them owned no slaves. History is full of nuance.

[MRYOUNG702]

@Michael71186 and thus biker gangs and what ever also picked it up.(and the image of racism prevailed as these group were mainly hard head White boys- not all were bigoted, but who cares to stick around to find out).. But it makes me wonder why some one would want to prove they are a rebel so bad they would acquire the symbol repetitively used by losers.. No history book needed .. AND IM OUT

[Michael71186]

@MRYOUNG702 "No history book needed"

Because your agenda is set and you care not about objective truth, like so many others. Too bad for you. I can't imagine living for such blissful ignorance.

[shadowmancer122]

@L8Pilot

I hope your mother, your wife and any daughters you sire die of cancer. I hope the doctors are powerless to cure them. I hope they end up in hell.

[mmlover60078]

mryoung702, you had me lmfao at some parts, but honest to god, you speak the truth. though i don't think byron shouldve had that flag up in his room & really dont like the kid, i COMPLETELY agree with your interesting & profound points of views on the topics of the youth (myself included in the group b/c i'm 18) being content with their ignorance as well as the political nature of the confederate flag that's included with the racial nature. you're obviously very intelligent & i have mad respect.

[Angel317537]

ok, we need a true history lesson. The slaves were brought here by NORTHERN ships under the AMERICAN flag. Not one SOUTHERN ship was used. The slaves were sold to both NORTH & SOUTH. Slavery was practiced under the AMERICAN flag for over 200 yrs. So why isn't the American flag racist?

[MRYOUNG702]

@Angel317537 Here is your true history lesson... 1. The flag is racist(its inanimate). 2. it was adopted as a symbol of racism. not by confederate soldiers, but by racist, and bigoted Whites AFTER the war. And even to day racist and bigoted Whites still use it as a symbol today. Much like German Nazis and the swastika. (an Asian symbol, dating far before the Germans) If you see one you are not going to think Feng Shui you are going to say Hitler. Its not our fault the racists re-marketed it.

[Xcaliber241]

@MRYOUNG702 I know Byron Thomas we went to High School together he's from North Augusta, do not take what he says seriously he's doing this because he strives for attention. He doesn't care what he says or who he pisses off just as long as he gets attention he's happy. He is seriously stupid do not take what he says seriously. P.S. He does call himself the real Uncle Ruckus in High School.

[shadowmancer122]

@Xcaliber241

Why do I have the impression that you're lying about knowing Byron Thomas in high school.

[Xcaliber241]

@shadowmancer122 Byron Thomas went to North Augusta High School, Class of 2011. He was Student Body President, Hell his election speech was about him sticking his finger in an electrical socket. He was on the football team until he was kicked off because a teacher accussed him for stealing. His birthday is February 21. Is that all or do I need to tell you his eating habits too.

[shadowmancer122]

@Xcaliber241

My point is: what's the source of your information regarding Byron Thomas? Did you go to high school with him or know people who knew him? On the Interenet, anyone can post information on somebody else. The question for me is: how accurate is it?

[shadowmancer122]

@shadowmancer122

Nevermind what I wrote. I reread your first comment and you answered my question.

[zzsundjs]

Byron Thomas internalized the oppression the same way black men kill black men for sport. we need therapy. I dig your point. right on.

[shallowabyss100]

You started out good, but you lost me.

[beyondbeautiful1989]

hahahaha "he wasn't really down with the black thing" "lil dancin jiggaboos" this vid was so funny, but it was real.

[xilix]

Is it just me, or is the audio in this video really trippy? It's got this odd stereo aspect going on.

[MRYOUNG702]

@xilix yeah.. I just noticed some strange crap on a new vid I just recorded

[snickerJewZZZZ]

A very thoughtful response, sir. Your video gives me hope for the future.

[jackvincent90]

Black ppl say nigga all day in many different sentences, y cos to white ppl it means slave, that shit is confusing

[citb2]

"Many governments have been founded upon the principle of the subordination and serfdom of certain classes of the same race; such were and are in violation of the laws of nature. Our system commits no such violation of nature's laws. With us, all of the white race, however high or low, rich or poor, are equal in the eye of the law. Not so with the negro. Subordination is his place." Alexander Stephens,VP of the Confederate States.

Why would a black man support the Confederate Flag?

[citb2]

"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."

Any black man who would hang a Confederate Flag is an idiot.

[TonyGerace25]

This is why blacks and whites dont get along

[jackvincent90]

@TonyGerace25 even when they fought together we still cant accept that blacks and whites got along once

[djh40756]

Both WSHH and the news are just as useless. Anyway I'm black and Bryon is actually right if you study the history. One of the few brothas who understands what HERITAGE means (not skin color)

[MrYoyo721]

The confederate flag is not racist!!!! O my god!!! Slavery was under the confederate flag for 4 years and it was under the american flag for 87!! How is the confederate flag so bad to black people when the american flag is worse!?

[Angel317537]

I want someone to give me an explanation of nothing but pure facts as to why the confederate flag is racist. this flag is not racists! the American flag is more racists than the confederate one. if anyone, which i doubt, wants a reasoning for my statement, let me here your proven statements first.

[rcman80]

@MRYOUNG702: In my opinion, American youth as a whole, are losing touch with their heritage. I am also of the opinion, many African-American youth are attempting to transcend racial stereotypes (check out 'Black People & Heavy Metal here on Youtube). Consider this, if African-Americans, Latinos, Asians, etc... took over these symbols, then what would the racist have. The issue is, as a society we've allowed these racist to own these symbols.

[playajaydaboss]

byron thomas = young house nixxa



[tamnatey]

Your video response makes no sense what so ever.

[MRYOUNG702]

@tamnatey How does it not? I said I dont agree with him and said why, then I also sid why he should keep and why Black folks need to stay off his case. seems clear to me