In the VERY olden days, religion played a very important part. Unfortunately, we have now evolved past the point where it is useful. If anything, it's a hindrance. It's played it's part. Now it's time to go.
I agree totally that without religion, we would be centuries ahead by now,; but I know a lot of history, and the ancient world, with its science and philosophy was already in decline bythe 200s AD. But religion was such a RETARDANT to free thought, for over a 1,000 years!!! It's hard to imagine what suchUTTER CONTROL of the MIND it had in the middle ages and early modern era it had!!! At least the ancient pagan religions didn't get in the way of science and free thought.
I think the point he is trying to make is that if we did not have things like religion and government and wars holding us back from our potential, imagine where we could be today if instead we worked on making things better for mankind (and not for corporate profit). If accurate, I agree with the sentiment however we humans fight regardless. I think we could have been very spiritual just contemplating the gift of being alive and learning all we could about the universe. Lets all hope for peace
@TheIphone4thewin its why there was and still is so much and don't use the typical well what about Stalin that was one guy there's been hundreds of religious people that do evil things in the name of their religion.
@DigitalSpooker That isn't, the Antikythera mechanism is not "clean", it's a lump of hard rock and rust, it's only been discovered how it works by x-ray
@lifeofanidiot I couldn't disagree with that statement more. Religious wars are fueled by hate for other religions there often isn't any political grounding in them. Perhaps some of those involved would have alteria motives but to say that they were politically motivated is stupid.
You think as many people would blindly follow and throw away their lives without the promise of after life? You think so many people would hate their enemies without them being told they are sinners or heathens?
@Appclypse The wars wouldn't have happened without selfishly motivated leaders to manipulate the sheepish religious followers. There are NO religious wars in the first place. There's wars fought by religious people who were manipulated, and yes, actually, there's ALWAYS a way to motivate someone. Look at Stalin in the USSR; he motivated his masses to fight against the Nazis completely without religion. As a matter of fact, the Communists were against religion because it's pro-freedom.
@lifeofanidiot You cannot use the example of Stalin motivating his people to fight without religion because that was a matter of survival the Nazis looked down on russians and polish because they felt they were far superior to them. If they didn't fight they would be slaughtered. And aside from that if you disobeyed Stalin orders in Russia at the time you were executed no questions asked, Ever heard of those machine gun units placed behind attacking platoons to kill those who tried to retreat?
@Appclypse Actually you proved my point by saying that their was motivation to not get killed by Nazis or the Soviet government, so my statement still stands. Motivation is motivation.
Also, The Jihadists are just addicted to killing. Ever talked to a freshly returned marine? Bring up the subject of killing. It's a game. They find it fun. That's all the Jihadists care about is killing. They may not be necessarily motivated by politics, but that's not my point. Religion isn't at fault
@lifeofanidiot Motivation for survival is not really applicable to this situation. That's basic human instinct it doesn't drive people to invade other countries in general but it drives millions to defend their homes. Not relevant to the argument.
Jihadists aren't in the same way "addicted" as a marine (careful), they hate us for what we are and what we believe, whether they enjoy killing us or not is irrelevant. Otherwise they'd simply go around killing each other, it's much easier to do.
@Appclypse Be weary of anybody or any group that goes around using what THEY say is what other people believe, as justification to harmful actions. I hear allot of right winged talk where what they are telling the audience, instead of talking about facts and figures, they talk about what the 'jihadists', or the 'liberals' believe or hate. They don't hate our freedom, They hate what we have done over there. Liberals didn't WANT to see GOP policy not work. That's them telling us what to think.
@lifeofanidiot Though i do take your point about addiction to killing it can be a problem in the military. They train soldiers to dehumanise the enemy, all of those methods were brought in post ww2 where they found only something like 15% of soldiers fired there rifle in combat and many fired high so as not to hit the enemy. Vietnam saw an incrase from 15 to 80% i believe. And it's gone up since that. I don't think what motivates a "jihadist" is the same.
@Appclypse So, in a sense, you ARE correct, it doesn't necessarily have to be POLITICALLY motivated. But tell me; When was the last time you heard of a full on WAR being carried out on a people SOLELY because of their religion? I'm sure you can easily find ANY other reason. People will talk of religion in war, but that doesn't mean war is because of Religion.
@lifeofanidiot And what exactly do you think the jihad that is currently being fought against the west is? The 9/11 attacks were arguably unprovoked and were attacks waged as part of a religious war that is still being fought today.
If everyone in the world were Sunni Muslim for example, there still would be wars, abuse, rape, murder, etc. Why? The answer: humans. Same goes to Jews, Christians, Sikhs, etc. Yes, I know, we suck...hard.
Personally, I believe even if there were no religion in the entire history of mankind, people would still be killing and harming each other for many different reasons, There would still be abuse, rape, murder, unnecessary wars, etc. Why you may ask? That's what humans do... no matter what happens. And no, the world will not be "one big happy family" if everyone was atheist, we'd still be killing each other and such. Just my opinion.
People act as if religion is the primary impediment to human development. You have the differences of ideals leading to political and ideological warfare, bloody conquests, colonialism, imperialism, racism, genocides(a majority of them having nothing to do with religion), and we can go ON and ON. Religion is merely a tool that can be used and abused. Let's imagine a world without religion! Safe to assume that it wouldn't be a utopia with it's omission. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.
@ISMASHYOUBRO You're right, but religion is used to prolong conflicts in a way that would not be achievable by nationalism only. The Great War is an example on how nationalism alone cannot keep the fighting for long periods of time. It wanes so the governments have to resort to something that help to prolong and maintain the morale of the population high, hence religion is added to the mixture.
@Blasthood Yes religion is used in such a way; that cannot be denied. There are many who are hostile to others for their beliefs, which goes contrary against the teaching of any religion. To reiterate my point, it's narrow mindedness on the part of many which leads to religious division.
The real question is: does lack of religion lead to scientific advancement, or does scientific advancement lead to a lack of religion. Rome didn't fall because of Christians, it fell because of corruption and war. In post Roman Europe, the nations clung to Christianity, and there were the dark ages. So if there was no religion, would the nations of Europe have developed one, or would they explore science? The real question is: what caused the dark ages?
Bottom line you religious mongrels ... the world would have been a better place without any of you ... i'm extremely happy by the fact that this religion is losing it's power over the minds of the people and the science has new breaktroughs made by smart people, and with immense potential to do more... not to be burnt at a stake by some of you delirious cretins because he "was possesed".. this "god" of yours and youreself as a religious bastard are plagueing the planet.
Yeah, that's not the Antikythera Mechanism. I've seen it in Athens, and it's a bunch of rusted cogs and wheels. I think you're showing an artist's rendition...
The Greeks who invented the "supercomputer" worshipped several gods, in fact. The roots of ancient Greek religion are not to be found in sacred texts or teachings of a priestly class, but rather in deep local traditions of ritual. Local cult ceremonies and festivals, not written doctrine, created the context of personal spirituality in ancient Greece. This video is in conflict with itself!!
I'm pretty sure its past most who would read this to think a world with out religion means a world with out GOD, YOU could not be more wrong... If there wasnt religion personally i think the world would be a much brighter place to be and happier.. Including a GOD with out mans mingling to tie GODS hands to fit Human kinds needs.. Think real hard before you smart off some thing really stupid .. GOD isnt any religion just man is...Now you have a inteligent brain use it...Good Luck HUMAN.
@IronHorse43 Including punctuation, correct spelling, and proper sentence structure might actually make your argument a formidable one. As it stands...not so much. This Human says, "Bring it on God, show me how much of an unmerciful or impotent asshole you can be."
People tend to turn to religion mainly because they're lazy and/or more stupid than atheists. It's a cop out for using ones own mind, and make conscious decisions. And by not questioning, doubting and thinking your brain doesn't exercise. Therefor never reaches close to it's full potential.
Love your voice and your right, imagine the a time without the dark ages. How many had the same idea as Issac but were to afraid to voice their opinions
If there is no God, there is no future. So, why struggle with the short span of time that we call a lifespan. There still would have always been wars because different races can't get along and men like war. But what if we were 2000 years ahead in science? That would just bring us closer to destroying the earth as we replace plant life with machines and electronic conveniences and the vast stores of energy in the earth would have been long gone. However, race wars would find us just as we are.
Atheism for the win. I told want to be told how to live life and what to think by some book or preacher. I don't want to be prosecuted for what I think is right and wrong. Fuck religion.
Also, the Crusades would have happened anyway, because despite what people think, just because someone fights in the name of a god, doesn't mean they're fighting FOR that god. The Anglicans fought the Arabs for LAND AND RESOURCES.
@lifeofanidiot Political wars might have some meaning or value behind them. Politics deals with culture and human interests, whether those are good or not is irrelevent, the point is they matter. Religious wars are UTTERLY pointless, a waste of human life, they are the most dirty the most violent of all conflicts they have no bounds and if anything will end us as a species i'm fairly convinced it will be religion.
@Appclypse Back when politics and religion were one in the same, they blamed everything on religion. Religious wars were political wars, and vice versa, so technically, religious wars were all political wars, and even the modern "religious wars" are all run by either countries still politically motivated, yet run off of a basic theocracy (i.e. MOST middle eastern countries) Or countries that refuse to take shit (e.g. UK, US, etc...)
Sounds to me like you are sawing off the branch you are standing on. Maybe religion gave people hope when there was none.
Besides, if everything is simply a cause and effect relationship that began when the universe exploded into existence, then your thoughts and ideas are simply a result of the random chance interactions you've had with your environment up to this point. So why do you feel so compelled to argue your atheistic point of view?
China, India, Japan, Aztecs, and Mayans all existed for over 2000 years with out Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. They had many technological advances and waged wars as well. As did the Ancient Greeks and Romans. The Rome before Jesus was an empire that conquered and killed any nation that would submit to Jupiter. War and religion are and will be part of human history.
The concepts of Charity, forgiveness, empathy are from religious beliefs, unfortunately some people use religion to create fear and to manipulate masses, for the benefit of a few....
You guys actually think a lack of religion would make us more advanced? News Flash: you're blaming an abstract concept for humanity's tangible imperfections. You're just foolishly trading one idealized concept for another just because they seem to be different.
Judaism,Christianity,Islam:Three monotheistic religions,the last two emerging from the first.The cancer of the human race.Must we thank the Jews for their ''gift" now?
its true the church used to think the liver circulated the blood because they wouldn't disect a human being because it was disrespecting the body and was a sin, 150 years later a man named William Harvey challenged the church by disected a human body and found out that the heart circulates the blood. religion is holding us down a bit
@XxXxdyedsoulxXxX Science once sought the "philosopher's stone" to turn lead into gold, chased the "elixer of life", thought heavy objects fell faster than light objects, believed in "Phlogiston", thought land became fertile through farming, believed the atom to be the smallest particle, didn't see the need to wash before surgery, proposed the earth as the center of the universe, the greek "physician" Galen believed the liver was the circulatory center of the body- blood, phlegm & vital essence.
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This youtube clip is most absurd. It seems that a middle schooler with a D- in history had a lot of extra time on his/her hands to make this. Talk about a major neglect of facts and dynamics.
@escape602 Please explain how it is a neglect of facts and dynamics. If you are not coming at this from a blinkered superstitious view from one religious dogma or another, please put me right on the errors and omissions. I am utterly open to being wrong in anything I have said; but it is hardly useful for a willing learning to have someone simply make vague and unexplored comments.
@victimlesscriminal Well you might think 2:21 is a proper amount of time to have wrapped up the universe and it's creation as well as all western religions (which you appear to be an expert on), I however do not share your interest in over simplification. I also find it curious that in your vast knowledge of the Antikythera Mechanism you neglected to mention one of the main reasons why it could tell you cycles of the moons, stars and planets. Which was western esoteric rituals and traditions.
@escape602 I still have not understood what your counter-arguments are. You just seem to be full of hot air. If you want to understand about Antikythera mechanisms, look on antikythera-mechanism.gr website. What is your hidden agenda in your criticisms? I guess you have some axe to grind that is still hidden behind your back. Show us it so that we can see how effective it is at cutting down other people's arguments.
religion is the war... if they were the same religion they would have peace ....witch.. religion is write ..dont no but religion controls minds and if you kill the ones that are not your religion then your religion can take over...if there were no religion just the belief in god what ever you call him cus he has a thousand names....then people will share...and talk things out...religion is = crips ..bloods ect..kill for the power of being the majority =money' ..power..respect.ect
Yeah that made the difference between people who went to discover things form themselfs and others and people who just made something up and regarded it as the truth
yeah, the perpetuum mobile would exist. but, religion is made by man to hide behind, to blame when nothing else is to blame, but that idea got "a little" out of hand.
I will gladly take the 2 pieces of wood, rather the one who gave his life to set me free to really think! What you can't seem to discern is that religion is not, nor ever has been "relationship" with the guy on the tree. I agree with you, it would be nice without religion as we have seen it. But to truly create is to spend time with the creator, and the ideas he has sown in millions of minds over the ages.... is humbling. You seem to leave out the eastern religions as oppressors too.
priests raping children, watch presidential candidates swear by their religion..the list is ENDLESS how religion affects my everyday life in one form or another..so badly at times i get into a deep state of depression due to it..I'M SICK AND TIRED OF IT! aND NOW IM DECLARING My OWN war on them ALL! I will attack them BACK every step of the way with thorough Athesim and TELL them i WORSHIP myself (Satanism in their belifs) cos im FED UP! This is the dark ages,wish i would've been born in yr 5000.
due to their warped ideas that they would know how some supposed god of theirs operates and what this being wants us to live like..commandments and rules and laws, endless do NOT's..i have to limit MY own exsitance due to these nutters..choose carefully where i go on holidays as not to get killed, watch what i say to the moslem extremist kebab shop owner around the corner so as not to get a fatwa (or whatever its effin called) on me..say no no no to J.W's over and over, be appaled by catholic
the frustration, irritation and anger i feel every single day at one point or another when watching the news or opening up the door on a sunday morning to have jehovas witnesses standing outside, or the random comment of the neighbour lady that says -oh god bless you ; cannot be described! I actually HAVE to live in a world where the vast mayority of people are BRAINWASHED..and creating a dangerous threatening enviroment on this beautiful planet by claiming wars and terroriising one another due
Are You being English "It would seem by your accent" familiar with the French Revolution and how many people died to feeble mans philosophy and faith and the church took a back seat? I don't mean to be rude but your view is slightly skewed. Perhaps in retrospect the Nazi war and how many people also died to a Science over Religion view. God help you bro.
To even begin to claim the Greeks were not superstitious and had no religion is beyond audacious. The Greek culture was god fearing . One of the major themes of their everyday life was that they were victims of their world and must ask the Gods for assistance. Claim Christianity screwed things up by all means , but please do not try to make it seem like the ancient Greeks were not religious at all.
Ancient Greece allowed for people to follow all sorts of philosophies - including some that were pretty much agnostic, like Epicureanism - Epicurus thought we should look to our own happiness, as gods, if they existed, were not likely to help. He said: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
It is an interesting point. The ironic thing is that the device shown in the video is not the Antikythera mechanism at all, but simply a static tablet of some kind. The real Antikythera mechanism was a mechanical device consisting of gears, scales, and spiral tracks. See related video for more info.
Sad propaganda. Yes, it is propaganda. Propaganda works both ways. This item is not heartbreaking in any way. If anything, it shows how jaded and presumptuous we have come in our new "scientific" age. Not that science is bad. Not saying that at all. But this should show that our ancient ancestors possessed a knowledge vastly more capable than modern science/historians give them credit for. It's not religon that squelches intellect; it's power mongrels using things like religion as tools.
Interesting. Have we ever paused to think what the world would be like without religion. Certainly we have had more than a few atheistic and anti-religious regimes in charge here and there throughout those same years that favored "rational" and "scientific" approaches... revolutionary France, Stalin's Communist Russia, Hitler's fascist Germany, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, on and on ... It is said that history is the best predictor of the future. What would the world be like?
@richburb ... Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi-Arabia, Nigeria, .... If anything, your examples demonstrate that non-religious regimes are just as prone to violence as theocracies if they don't encourage an ethical and humane treatment of their citizens. Religion is not the answer. Ethics is what is needed.
@Zendrig Exactly my point. Making religion the scapegoat for man's inhumanity to man obscures truth. Good science and investigation with honest observation are far more prudent tools than the propaganda offered here. The hate from both sides of the argument points to a deeper source of the trouble. The "loving, tolorant athiests" posting (often raging) here of their hatred for religion and religious people makes for interesting comparison and contrast with their conterpart "religious" posters.
@richburb Pretty sad comparisons considering that Hitler was raised a catholic, and also that these leaders were not so much atheists as they were just displacing religion and its gods with the dictator/leader in question who proclaimed themselves as gods. I think the point this videographer was trying to make was that as facts show, religion has a far longer track record of violence and repression that is still going on today, well past those that you previously mentioned. A terrible legacy.
@EchosFromaBlankMind Historically, facts show that athiestic regimes have a far greater body count and have brought opression to far greater heights than their evil religious counterparts. Fortunately they have supporters, like yourself, that seem content to dismiss such atrocities as the outcome of athiestic thinking. So although bad religious leaders are acting upon their religious beliefs, the same does not also hold true that bad athiests are acting upon their atheistic beliefs.
@richburb Some of the regimes that you reference, are not true atheistic regimes and that the people were political atheists. It was more of an oppressive theocracy with the government having an official policy concerning religions. Some of the leaders you point to, Stalin or Pol Pot, you neglect to mention the obvious fact that both were idealistic communist regimes that surpressed religious behaviour artificially, thus the people were never really atheists. Where did you get those "FACTS"
@richburb I have to say that you do make a valid point as to the body count, but you must also make the concession that had the religious leaders of the past had at their disposal the guns, bombs, tanks, aircraft and the rest of the killing machinery, would they have not willingly taken more lives, but instead in the name of a god. We both can concede that there are good people and bad people who will follow their own desires religious or not. Religions past killings are just harder to confirm.
If we have in mind that some of us have somewhat abilities of leadership, while others have this inner calling of following someone or something that feeds their necessity for believing, as they group themselves together, considering their situation and their knowledge at that time, baam! Religion is born, and with that all the ceremonies that any cult demands, and the body of rules and prohibitions that our necessity of order requires, and so on and so on...
Is he a believer of the ancient Sumerian legend of the Annunaki/Nephilims? Or maybe he believes (like history has demonstrated infinite times) that the ones who are doomed to be subdued are those who have the backward technology - ergo us? Anyway, he's a believer of his ideas... Like all of us, his brain is wired to believe, no matter what or "in what"... I guess that's the point. We have that capacity of thinking, and we're so aware of our lifetime and its shortness, that we NEED TO BELIEVE...
Although the Alien Theory sound very convincing to many beyond the so called UFOlogists, to the point that some scientist have been convinced that they may have visited us several times in the past (for some the Antikythera mechanism as well as many other ancient feats could be attributed to a highly developed culture, maybe founded or influenced by extraterrestrial beings), there are still some (like Hawking) that believe that if there are aliens, they won't be necessarily good to us...
But there are still others who believe that some could be saved and that's why they preach house by house every Sunday, while others believe in self discipline and in an inner retrospection to stop the cycle of reencarnation in which imperfect people are summoned through their deeds. Others believe in natural forces and the restoration of equilibrium. Other people are increasingly oriented to believe that the salvation will come from outside... our planet...
For there are a lot of highly educated people that believe that their university degree has been acquired for the only and selfish purpose of making money, making them rich, no matter what, 'cause life is like that. And it's a kind of worldwide belief. And that belief starts such a collapsing spiral of violence, corruption, unjustice and degradation (for saying something), that others believe that we're fucked up as a species and that we deserve an ending (e.g. 2012)...
Even worst, there were and still are some fake-leaders who are willing to take advantage of that situation in order to use it for restricting their fellow citizens' rights, based on the fear that the high possibility of such attemps to happen cause. And there's media, owners, associates, publishers, hosts, workers that believe that the spreading of that fear and the broadcasting of violence is their only way to make more money, and they do so...
And since the US is not all of us, others believe that they were born to suffer. Others believe that attachment to possessions make human beings suffering. But some others believe that through suffering they will reach blessing. Other radicals believe that they have the right to fight back, and make their invaders suffer. And if they find the ones who believe that by killing the enemy they'll go directly to paradise, BAAAAAM! (now literaly) Suicide boombers...
Some believe that money, an outrageous amount of it, is the answer to all the problems. Jews have always been believed to be pretty good at making it. And some others believe that people must have all the freedom they need to make as much money as they can, 'cause that way, they'll collect more taxes. More than a few believe that there's always someone who can be bribed or blackmailed, in a way or another, so that they can keep more of 'their' money (and 'their happines' with it)...
Put all of them dreaming together under the eye of the ones who believe they have the right to control whatever happens with-to-in-outside-towards-for their country and their money, and BAAM! You've got the US...
Most scientist believe in the Big Bang Theory ('believe' because it's still a theory), others believe in the Theory of Evolution (again, 'believe'), others believe that through a Mathematical Theory they 'can explain' human behavior, for saying something. Others believe in the superiority or inferiority of one race or others. Others believe that the problem is overpopulation (Malthusianism). And if you put them together, baam! Nazis...
Besides the fact that through Islam we've been able to access most of the knowledge that Greeks and other ancient people developed, there's another issue that is even more important. From the humanistic point of view a person could be defined as a rational-social-animal. But neither of the three characteristics, in any amount you would combine them, can actually give a sense of comfort to people. It's like we've been wired to believe (that's what we call HOPE, I shall say)...
Without monotheistic fanaticism (aka Judeo-Christian-Islam), we'd probably still believe in many ridiculous things (aka astrology, space-aliens, Big Foot, Ghosts).
The problem isn't religion per se, it's putting high value on the supernatural.
If we had 2000 years without supernatural thinking, we would not have wasted the time mistreating our fellow human beings in such callous ways.
religion is the root of many wars.. without religion there would be alot more peace between people of different countries... therefore a more unified world...
evrey one is so pissed about dissing god but i ask you if you were god who created life and lets it progress on its own with out interfear then would he be like the clever little bastards how are they doing that?
god wouldnt be angrey he would be happy and proud just like a father or mother is to ther offspring so i ask why then do we limmit our selves to please a parent(god) if it lets us do our own thing anyway?
you must be really bad educated.or you would know some of history of world.you dont know nothing about influence of islam scientifists for astronomy and about universities origin. you know nothing about cassini or samarakanda. If you are so naive ignorant why you try to accuse any religion for your intelectual absense?This what you said is very flat because of all reasons which you are not consious. And treat it personally! you have no knowledge so stop exciting by your non justified objections
Islamic scientists didn't do much to advance the sciences, they just preserved what the Greeks and Romans accomplished, while European Christians were destroying it. Cassini was French and Samarkand Observatory was destroyed by religious luddites. It seems those examples are evidence against your claim.
I wouldn't say its necessarily religion that's the problem, its Abrahamic Monotheism. The pagans of Greece and Rome were perfectly willing to accept reason over superstition because European polytheism was understood by the educated of the time to be mostly symbolic. If a religion (like Western Polytheism) is willing to allow itself to be replaced, then there is no problem with it. If Abrahamism never took hold, we likely would have all been pantheists before the close of the first millennium.
I always think about how beautiful the world COULD be and that it's such a shame that we're not living up to our full potential... not in the slightest...
And now you've shown to me that we had even more potential than I already thought, and that so far we've wasted it even more than I had ever imagined. :-(
I'm no expert, but I would say if you want to see how much good sense existed in ancient times (at least among parts of the population), read some works by Seneca (the younger) or Epicurus, or Marcus Aurelius. Or see the comfortable steam baths and hot and cold pools ancient Romans had for relaxation, or how they had blocks of flats, underfloor heating systems etc. It IS a shame that the "Dark Ages" followed the classical period. Reconstruction of Rome: tinyurl[dot]com/AncientRomePic
The belief that only God should hold the answers to any question is what made us loose over 4,000 years of knowledge and more than 800 years of non advancement. From killing of village elder women who had knowledge of herbals to the killing of scientist who understood math, chemistry or alchemy is what got us here. Ancient Egyptians wrote the first known medical journal, due to all their years in mummifying. It was a religious ceremony so, not all religions are bad.
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I think you will find that there was no 2000 year pause in human advancement.
The dig at Muslims towards the end of the clip is curious given just how many inventions and discoveryies the historians credit them with. Take their contribution to Chemistry alone...
"Chemistry as a science was almost created by the Moslems; for in this field ... the Saracens introduced precise observation, controlled experiment, and careful records..." (Durant W, 1980, The Age of Faith, p. 162)
On 27-28 November, I wrote in a story that a tower clock collapsed into its basement in a city equipped with technology from around 1950s. It broke through the foundation into a forgotton ruin with a 1260 year old computer that revealed the city was made from an ancient cube. A week later, I found Scott Pagano's video to the song by BT, Antikythera Mechanism. The story is FHD Remix at the BookRix website. I agree with your message; I've been screwed over by six churches. But there is a God!
I would like to see the world divided by religious people with his faith in one side and anti-religion people with his science in the other, to compare the progress of each side. It's obvious that the anti-religion side would win by far....
@mattwjohnston WTF??? What are u talking about? Who's talking about moral? I'm talking about progress of the society and by the way, anti religion people and religious people are equally moral, that's a personal thing. It is a misconception that to be moral u need to be religious. That makes no sense. You're ignorant if u think like that. NOTHING PERSONAL.
Look at all the people who have already overdosed or died from countless drugs such as, heroin, pcp... whatever else there is, i'm not a druggie so i don't know a lot of names for them. They are obviously not afraid of their fate therefore the drug usage would be the same. Morals aren't anything to do with religion it's about being a good person and if people don't know that like yourself then, you're dumb. If people did more drugs and drinking they'd have more children probably
It's not, do you think people who don't worship the Abrahamic god are not capable of morals? What about Buddha, Confuscius, Lao Tse, Socrates, Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson etc, to mention a few people off the top of my head? Breaking free from strictly enforced religious "morals" has advanced our morals - religion tends to support inequality of the sexes, slavery, oppressing people of other beliefs or none, beating children, killing gay people etc.
i read recently that the heliocentric nature of the antikythera mechanism, fabricated some 1500 years or more before Galilleo or Copernicus, casts doubt on our understanding of greek science and how it fed into modern western culture. But as it was found sunk on a Roman ship and apart from references from people such as Cicero, no sign of this technology existed, it could be argued this was an early conspiracy to keep Earth and therefore men, at the centre of our universe
After the fall of the roman empire. Be thankful of the monks cluttered up in their monasteries kept the knowledge, and the language of the roman people that would have otherwise been lost.
You mean those monks who forbade the knowledge escaping out of their walled compounds? Those monks who ensured that the languages of scholarship, Greek and Latin, were not taught to the masses and the words of the ancient scholars were never translated into the language of the people?
The church stopped the masses being educated and stopped anybody reading the contents of ancient texts in case they discovered the awkward facts that the ancients were smarter than contemporary religious bigots.
You are definitely confused. Knowledge never escaped those 'walled compounds' because there was no where else it could flourish. Who else but the church offered to educate the public? where were the willing teachers apart from the priests? yeah, thought so.
As the only remnants of the fallen roman empire it was up to the catholic church to establish the first FREE schools in cathedrals(under Charlemagne every cathedral required a school). Poor priests even taught the poor local children.
Why couldn't knowledge of philosophy and science survive outside of monasteries? You have just repeated an explanation which satisfied your own low standards of explanation because you wanted to be satisfied by it. We have books in libraries and museums today, where they are protected, but they are not imprisoned in them. Copies are allowed out, but they weren't back when the Church proscribed such knowledge.
What proof do you have that the Church purposely kept the knowledge away from the public? How were 'copies not allowed out' as you put it? I think youve been watching too many hollywood movies..
And I already asked you who apart from the church fostered education?
You act like libraries and museums were just sprouting on their own in the dark ages. Thats not how it works.
Only the Church took the initiative that no one else could and somehow youre blaming them for that.
You seem to imply that the only way ancient knowledge can be preserved is by hiding books away and only letting priests see them. Surely books are more likely to survive, with the knowledge they contain, if they are not locked away behind stone walls but copies made and distributed, and these copies used for teaching. Nobody can destroy the Oxford English Dictionary now because copies exist in many places. That information is safer than any human knowledge has ever been in the past.
How can you have a library without books? How can you run a university when you have been burned at the stake? Learning was only for the religiously orthodox, those under the control of the Church. If you tried to teach anybody anything outside the framework of the Church they would see that you didn't get away with it. Religion suppressed knowledge and refused to let it out of their control. That is why western civilization spent a thousand years praying by candlelight in ignorance.
Oh.. you mean like.. Everyone in Europe? oh right I forgot about this engineer Jew you were referring to. The catholic schooling system is the basis for the modern day public school system we have now. Its why catholic schools still exist today.
The very first university, the University of Bologna was established by Frederick Barbarossa, the Holy Roman Emperor. And thats just Christianity. The Byzantine Empire(Islam) was enjoying its golden age of knowledge. Many advancements in chemistry, astronomy, physics, science in general was under strict Islamic rule.
Indeed Islam was very much freer than Christendom, briefly, until it too began to distrust science and knowledge as dangerous. While the Arabs made discoveries in science they didn't do anything with them, knowledge was for accredited and trusted Religiously Correct scholars, not for engineers and entrepreneurs. When religion's foot was taken off the windpipe of Christendom there was an explosion of creativity and novel science and philosophy was done in Europe for the first time.
Wow and youre asking me for explanation when you continue to make these meaningless claims.
Once again youre putting the cart before the horse. Who were these people, who are somehow born engineers in your story, that were getting denied educational privilege? and without engineers.. how on earth was religion able to design their great temples and cathedrals. Those priests must have just prayed really hard for them :rolleseyes:
They were freethinkers, Methodists, Quakers, Jews, deists and those who didn't care about religion at all. Universities had no places for people not under the control of the Church, and they did no science anyway!
The only arts and sciences which flourished in the ages made dark by oppressive religion were those the Church found directly useful.
You have a hell of a lot of indoctrination to wipe away before you could ever come to see reality.
You just spent a few responses crying about how the monks were keeping the masses in the dark and 'hiding' all their books away from everyone else. But apparently 'they did no science anyways.'
In the VERY olden days, religion played a very important part. Unfortunately, we have now evolved past the point where it is useful. If anything, it's a hindrance. It's played it's part. Now it's time to go.
LoveAndHearts0 6 hours ago
I agree totally that without religion, we would be centuries ahead by now,; but I know a lot of history, and the ancient world, with its science and philosophy was already in decline bythe 200s AD. But religion was such a RETARDANT to free thought, for over a 1,000 years!!! It's hard to imagine what suchUTTER CONTROL of the MIND it had in the middle ages and early modern era it had!!! At least the ancient pagan religions didn't get in the way of science and free thought.
rayraydude1 6 days ago
The Library of Alexandria...
enyskept 1 week ago
What a f---ing joke.
saturn2462002 1 week ago
I think the point he is trying to make is that if we did not have things like religion and government and wars holding us back from our potential, imagine where we could be today if instead we worked on making things better for mankind (and not for corporate profit). If accurate, I agree with the sentiment however we humans fight regardless. I think we could have been very spiritual just contemplating the gift of being alive and learning all we could about the universe. Lets all hope for peace
mwmethos 2 weeks ago
Yeah, blame religion for all the bloodshed.
TheIphone4thewin 3 weeks ago
@TheIphone4thewin its why there was and still is so much and don't use the typical well what about Stalin that was one guy there's been hundreds of religious people that do evil things in the name of their religion.
lol479zzz 2 hours ago
A 1000 years from now they'll be talking about all our wasted potetial on useless crap like Idols and the Kardashians. MTV...
alter3go 3 weeks ago
Nice speech, but what you have shown is not the Antikythera mechanism according to Wikipedia.
ridelo 4 weeks ago
@ridelo yes.. because Wikipedia CAN'T be wrong..
DigitalSpooker 4 weeks ago
@DigitalSpooker That isn't, the Antikythera mechanism is not "clean", it's a lump of hard rock and rust, it's only been discovered how it works by x-ray
JakobiaP 3 weeks ago
Good Video. I choose not to enter into battle with anyone. infinite weapons will only bring infinite defeat.
Lay down all of your arms and just act like a human should be, caring and educated.
brucebu 4 weeks ago
@lifeofanidiot I couldn't disagree with that statement more. Religious wars are fueled by hate for other religions there often isn't any political grounding in them. Perhaps some of those involved would have alteria motives but to say that they were politically motivated is stupid.
You think as many people would blindly follow and throw away their lives without the promise of after life? You think so many people would hate their enemies without them being told they are sinners or heathens?
Appclypse 1 month ago
@Appclypse The wars wouldn't have happened without selfishly motivated leaders to manipulate the sheepish religious followers. There are NO religious wars in the first place. There's wars fought by religious people who were manipulated, and yes, actually, there's ALWAYS a way to motivate someone. Look at Stalin in the USSR; he motivated his masses to fight against the Nazis completely without religion. As a matter of fact, the Communists were against religion because it's pro-freedom.
lifeofanidiot 1 month ago
@lifeofanidiot You cannot use the example of Stalin motivating his people to fight without religion because that was a matter of survival the Nazis looked down on russians and polish because they felt they were far superior to them. If they didn't fight they would be slaughtered. And aside from that if you disobeyed Stalin orders in Russia at the time you were executed no questions asked, Ever heard of those machine gun units placed behind attacking platoons to kill those who tried to retreat?
Appclypse 1 month ago
@Appclypse Actually you proved my point by saying that their was motivation to not get killed by Nazis or the Soviet government, so my statement still stands. Motivation is motivation.
Also, The Jihadists are just addicted to killing. Ever talked to a freshly returned marine? Bring up the subject of killing. It's a game. They find it fun. That's all the Jihadists care about is killing. They may not be necessarily motivated by politics, but that's not my point. Religion isn't at fault
lifeofanidiot 1 month ago
@lifeofanidiot Motivation for survival is not really applicable to this situation. That's basic human instinct it doesn't drive people to invade other countries in general but it drives millions to defend their homes. Not relevant to the argument.
Jihadists aren't in the same way "addicted" as a marine (careful), they hate us for what we are and what we believe, whether they enjoy killing us or not is irrelevant. Otherwise they'd simply go around killing each other, it's much easier to do.
Appclypse 1 month ago
@Appclypse Be weary of anybody or any group that goes around using what THEY say is what other people believe, as justification to harmful actions. I hear allot of right winged talk where what they are telling the audience, instead of talking about facts and figures, they talk about what the 'jihadists', or the 'liberals' believe or hate. They don't hate our freedom, They hate what we have done over there. Liberals didn't WANT to see GOP policy not work. That's them telling us what to think.
mwmethos 2 weeks ago
@lifeofanidiot Though i do take your point about addiction to killing it can be a problem in the military. They train soldiers to dehumanise the enemy, all of those methods were brought in post ww2 where they found only something like 15% of soldiers fired there rifle in combat and many fired high so as not to hit the enemy. Vietnam saw an incrase from 15 to 80% i believe. And it's gone up since that. I don't think what motivates a "jihadist" is the same.
Appclypse 1 month ago
@Appclypse So, in a sense, you ARE correct, it doesn't necessarily have to be POLITICALLY motivated. But tell me; When was the last time you heard of a full on WAR being carried out on a people SOLELY because of their religion? I'm sure you can easily find ANY other reason. People will talk of religion in war, but that doesn't mean war is because of Religion.
lifeofanidiot 1 month ago
@lifeofanidiot And what exactly do you think the jihad that is currently being fought against the west is? The 9/11 attacks were arguably unprovoked and were attacks waged as part of a religious war that is still being fought today.
Appclypse 1 month ago
If everyone in the world were Sunni Muslim for example, there still would be wars, abuse, rape, murder, etc. Why? The answer: humans. Same goes to Jews, Christians, Sikhs, etc. Yes, I know, we suck...hard.
TheAfghanPride786 1 month ago
Personally, I believe even if there were no religion in the entire history of mankind, people would still be killing and harming each other for many different reasons, There would still be abuse, rape, murder, unnecessary wars, etc. Why you may ask? That's what humans do... no matter what happens. And no, the world will not be "one big happy family" if everyone was atheist, we'd still be killing each other and such. Just my opinion.
TheAfghanPride786 1 month ago
People act as if religion is the primary impediment to human development. You have the differences of ideals leading to political and ideological warfare, bloody conquests, colonialism, imperialism, racism, genocides(a majority of them having nothing to do with religion), and we can go ON and ON. Religion is merely a tool that can be used and abused. Let's imagine a world without religion! Safe to assume that it wouldn't be a utopia with it's omission. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 months ago
@ISMASHYOUBRO You're right, but religion is used to prolong conflicts in a way that would not be achievable by nationalism only. The Great War is an example on how nationalism alone cannot keep the fighting for long periods of time. It wanes so the governments have to resort to something that help to prolong and maintain the morale of the population high, hence religion is added to the mixture.
Blasthood 2 months ago
@Blasthood Yes religion is used in such a way; that cannot be denied. There are many who are hostile to others for their beliefs, which goes contrary against the teaching of any religion. To reiterate my point, it's narrow mindedness on the part of many which leads to religious division.
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 months ago
The real question is: does lack of religion lead to scientific advancement, or does scientific advancement lead to a lack of religion. Rome didn't fall because of Christians, it fell because of corruption and war. In post Roman Europe, the nations clung to Christianity, and there were the dark ages. So if there was no religion, would the nations of Europe have developed one, or would they explore science? The real question is: what caused the dark ages?
BrandonSchleifer 2 months ago
Bottom line you religious mongrels ... the world would have been a better place without any of you ... i'm extremely happy by the fact that this religion is losing it's power over the minds of the people and the science has new breaktroughs made by smart people, and with immense potential to do more... not to be burnt at a stake by some of you delirious cretins because he "was possesed".. this "god" of yours and youreself as a religious bastard are plagueing the planet.
Lexx777 2 months ago
Yeah, that's not the Antikythera Mechanism. I've seen it in Athens, and it's a bunch of rusted cogs and wheels. I think you're showing an artist's rendition...
nojyt 2 months ago
killing each other over an invisible man in the sky?
fatdrood 3 months ago
@fatdrood i know.. some people are just taking religion too far.
OGTupacShakur 2 months ago
In REALITY, the world would not be different at all, just religion wouldn't be used as an excuse for why bad things happen
rockstorm96 3 months ago
The Greeks who invented the "supercomputer" worshipped several gods, in fact. The roots of ancient Greek religion are not to be found in sacred texts or teachings of a priestly class, but rather in deep local traditions of ritual. Local cult ceremonies and festivals, not written doctrine, created the context of personal spirituality in ancient Greece. This video is in conflict with itself!!
friedie1jeff 3 months ago
I'm pretty sure its past most who would read this to think a world with out religion means a world with out GOD, YOU could not be more wrong... If there wasnt religion personally i think the world would be a much brighter place to be and happier.. Including a GOD with out mans mingling to tie GODS hands to fit Human kinds needs.. Think real hard before you smart off some thing really stupid .. GOD isnt any religion just man is...Now you have a inteligent brain use it...Good Luck HUMAN.
IronHorse43 4 months ago
@IronHorse43 Including punctuation, correct spelling, and proper sentence structure might actually make your argument a formidable one. As it stands...not so much. This Human says, "Bring it on God, show me how much of an unmerciful or impotent asshole you can be."
proprodigySD 3 months ago
@IronHorse43 God was created in the image of man.
Strangerinasland 3 months ago
People tend to turn to religion mainly because they're lazy and/or more stupid than atheists. It's a cop out for using ones own mind, and make conscious decisions. And by not questioning, doubting and thinking your brain doesn't exercise. Therefor never reaches close to it's full potential.
Krappman 5 months ago
Love your voice and your right, imagine the a time without the dark ages. How many had the same idea as Issac but were to afraid to voice their opinions
moviedude120796 5 months ago
If there is no God, there is no future. So, why struggle with the short span of time that we call a lifespan. There still would have always been wars because different races can't get along and men like war. But what if we were 2000 years ahead in science? That would just bring us closer to destroying the earth as we replace plant life with machines and electronic conveniences and the vast stores of energy in the earth would have been long gone. However, race wars would find us just as we are.
ebispresty 6 months ago
Atheism for the win. I told want to be told how to live life and what to think by some book or preacher. I don't want to be prosecuted for what I think is right and wrong. Fuck religion.
LeSkoog 6 months ago
If there weren't religious wars, there would have been political wars all the same because PEOPLE CAN'T AGREE.
lifeofanidiot 7 months ago 5
Also, the Crusades would have happened anyway, because despite what people think, just because someone fights in the name of a god, doesn't mean they're fighting FOR that god. The Anglicans fought the Arabs for LAND AND RESOURCES.
lifeofanidiot 7 months ago
@lifeofanidiot Political wars might have some meaning or value behind them. Politics deals with culture and human interests, whether those are good or not is irrelevent, the point is they matter. Religious wars are UTTERLY pointless, a waste of human life, they are the most dirty the most violent of all conflicts they have no bounds and if anything will end us as a species i'm fairly convinced it will be religion.
Appclypse 2 months ago
@Appclypse Back when politics and religion were one in the same, they blamed everything on religion. Religious wars were political wars, and vice versa, so technically, religious wars were all political wars, and even the modern "religious wars" are all run by either countries still politically motivated, yet run off of a basic theocracy (i.e. MOST middle eastern countries) Or countries that refuse to take shit (e.g. UK, US, etc...)
lifeofanidiot 2 months ago
@lifeofanidiot I AGREE TO THAT LOL
victorpalles 1 month ago
We'd have human colonies on Mars and beyond by now....
TheATHEISTNOW 7 months ago
Sounds to me like you are sawing off the branch you are standing on. Maybe religion gave people hope when there was none.
Besides, if everything is simply a cause and effect relationship that began when the universe exploded into existence, then your thoughts and ideas are simply a result of the random chance interactions you've had with your environment up to this point. So why do you feel so compelled to argue your atheistic point of view?
admiralebay 8 months ago
lol @ around 1:50, that has to be the driest sense of humour I have ever heard but that makes it so much funnier
laxton 8 months ago
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Science is the engine that drives progress while religion is the brakes.
DarkMachineKing 8 months ago
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DarkMachineKing 8 months ago
China, India, Japan, Aztecs, and Mayans all existed for over 2000 years with out Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. They had many technological advances and waged wars as well. As did the Ancient Greeks and Romans. The Rome before Jesus was an empire that conquered and killed any nation that would submit to Jupiter. War and religion are and will be part of human history.
saintdenis11 8 months ago
The concepts of Charity, forgiveness, empathy are from religious beliefs, unfortunately some people use religion to create fear and to manipulate masses, for the benefit of a few....
caceres1975 8 months ago
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Science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind.
Albert Einstein
caceres1975 8 months ago
You guys actually think a lack of religion would make us more advanced? News Flash: you're blaming an abstract concept for humanity's tangible imperfections. You're just foolishly trading one idealized concept for another just because they seem to be different.
0Fear 8 months ago
I agree with the guy below me
kysmelmonge 8 months ago
If there were no religion, we probably already have colonies on mars.
Neosaigo 8 months ago
Nice work.
WNDC 9 months ago
Without Religin or God most of us will be dead or enslaved!
Sayegh11 9 months ago
The world would be a much better place to live.
pmoyer50 9 months ago
Judaism,Christianity,Islam:Three monotheistic religions,the last two emerging from the first.The cancer of the human race.Must we thank the Jews for their ''gift" now?
AthrihosPithekos 10 months ago
well why dont you athiests just rebuild the soviet russia or move to north korea then?
lol im just joking, im just your friendly comedic agnostic
Comrade2face 10 months ago
its true the church used to think the liver circulated the blood because they wouldn't disect a human being because it was disrespecting the body and was a sin, 150 years later a man named William Harvey challenged the church by disected a human body and found out that the heart circulates the blood. religion is holding us down a bit
XxXxdyedsoulxXxX 10 months ago
@XxXxdyedsoulxXxX Science once sought the "philosopher's stone" to turn lead into gold, chased the "elixer of life", thought heavy objects fell faster than light objects, believed in "Phlogiston", thought land became fertile through farming, believed the atom to be the smallest particle, didn't see the need to wash before surgery, proposed the earth as the center of the universe, the greek "physician" Galen believed the liver was the circulatory center of the body- blood, phlegm & vital essence.
richburb 9 months ago
@richburb im high right now ill get back to whatever you just said in a couple hours :)
XxXxdyedsoulxXxX 9 months ago
That's not the Antikythera Mechanism.
It's a sinecal quadrant, a device invented by 9th century Muslim scholars.
How ironic.
CharlieDraper 11 months ago
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CharlieDraper 11 months ago
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This youtube clip is most absurd. It seems that a middle schooler with a D- in history had a lot of extra time on his/her hands to make this. Talk about a major neglect of facts and dynamics.
escape602 11 months ago
@escape602 Please explain how it is a neglect of facts and dynamics. If you are not coming at this from a blinkered superstitious view from one religious dogma or another, please put me right on the errors and omissions. I am utterly open to being wrong in anything I have said; but it is hardly useful for a willing learning to have someone simply make vague and unexplored comments.
victimlesscriminal 11 months ago 3
@victimlesscriminal Well you might think 2:21 is a proper amount of time to have wrapped up the universe and it's creation as well as all western religions (which you appear to be an expert on), I however do not share your interest in over simplification. I also find it curious that in your vast knowledge of the Antikythera Mechanism you neglected to mention one of the main reasons why it could tell you cycles of the moons, stars and planets. Which was western esoteric rituals and traditions.
escape602 11 months ago
@victimlesscriminal But that is just one of many many dynamics and half truths in your video.
escape602 11 months ago
@victimlesscriminal And as charliedraper pointed out that is not even the Antikythera Mechanism.
escape602 11 months ago
@escape602 I still have not understood what your counter-arguments are. You just seem to be full of hot air. If you want to understand about Antikythera mechanisms, look on antikythera-mechanism.gr website. What is your hidden agenda in your criticisms? I guess you have some axe to grind that is still hidden behind your back. Show us it so that we can see how effective it is at cutting down other people's arguments.
victimlesscriminal 11 months ago 6
@victimlesscriminal His counter argument is "praise Jesus" because he likes the dream.
FlyingPinkUnicorn 2 months ago
@victimlesscriminal the fact that a d- middle school student could raise such a compelling argument would obviously piss u off, wouldn't it?? :)
skubersteve24 11 months ago
@escape602 You're a fool.
BlueTeamPlayer 7 months ago
Beautiful.
SuperJasontheman 11 months ago
religion is the war... if they were the same religion they would have peace ....witch.. religion is write ..dont no but religion controls minds and if you kill the ones that are not your religion then your religion can take over...if there were no religion just the belief in god what ever you call him cus he has a thousand names....then people will share...and talk things out...religion is = crips ..bloods ect..kill for the power of being the majority =money' ..power..respect.ect
1youngrizzal 1 year ago
@1youngrizzal Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
dhaddox 1 year ago
@Alexeriks1
Yeah that made the difference between people who went to discover things form themselfs and others and people who just made something up and regarded it as the truth
Bloomfieldcrew 1 year ago
religion is for the stupid. Relgious people don't ask question but just do what a thousand year old book says for a good who no one has ever seen :S
Bloomfieldcrew 1 year ago
it would be a racialy tolerent paridise.
spoddog1 1 year ago
yeah, the perpetuum mobile would exist. but, religion is made by man to hide behind, to blame when nothing else is to blame, but that idea got "a little" out of hand.
straaler5 1 year ago
@straaler5
"the perpetuum mobile would exist."
whats wrong with your brain?
illnathruleZ 1 year ago
Yeah just think, the horrors... uhmm it's wrong to... wow Religion blows
Aloradelyda 1 year ago
I will gladly take the 2 pieces of wood, rather the one who gave his life to set me free to really think! What you can't seem to discern is that religion is not, nor ever has been "relationship" with the guy on the tree. I agree with you, it would be nice without religion as we have seen it. But to truly create is to spend time with the creator, and the ideas he has sown in millions of minds over the ages.... is humbling. You seem to leave out the eastern religions as oppressors too.
TheGoddog1 1 year ago
Although I also believe that we would be better off if we had abandoned irrational faith long ago, there are a few problems with this video.
My main point contention is that, like others have stated, this is not the Antikythera Mechanism which dates from classical antiquity.
It is rather an Astrolabe Quadrant dating from the Medieval Europe, where Christian Fundamentalism was running rampant!
e7107 1 year ago
Had mankind cast off the childish yoke of religion 2K yrs ago, we would have colonies in the farthest reaches of the galaxy by now.
realityreallybites 1 year ago
I like the point of the video very much and this may be nit picking but I don't think that's the Antikythera mechanism.
katsavidiz 1 year ago
priests raping children, watch presidential candidates swear by their religion..the list is ENDLESS how religion affects my everyday life in one form or another..so badly at times i get into a deep state of depression due to it..I'M SICK AND TIRED OF IT! aND NOW IM DECLARING My OWN war on them ALL! I will attack them BACK every step of the way with thorough Athesim and TELL them i WORSHIP myself (Satanism in their belifs) cos im FED UP! This is the dark ages,wish i would've been born in yr 5000.
SuperTiredofitall 1 year ago
due to their warped ideas that they would know how some supposed god of theirs operates and what this being wants us to live like..commandments and rules and laws, endless do NOT's..i have to limit MY own exsitance due to these nutters..choose carefully where i go on holidays as not to get killed, watch what i say to the moslem extremist kebab shop owner around the corner so as not to get a fatwa (or whatever its effin called) on me..say no no no to J.W's over and over, be appaled by catholic
SuperTiredofitall 1 year ago
the frustration, irritation and anger i feel every single day at one point or another when watching the news or opening up the door on a sunday morning to have jehovas witnesses standing outside, or the random comment of the neighbour lady that says -oh god bless you ; cannot be described! I actually HAVE to live in a world where the vast mayority of people are BRAINWASHED..and creating a dangerous threatening enviroment on this beautiful planet by claiming wars and terroriising one another due
SuperTiredofitall 1 year ago
if i had 3 wishes i would spend them on knowing what the world would be with no religeon, to be immortal, and a world with no religeon.
rosen00000 1 year ago
Umm..that's NOT the antikythera mechanism.
drzeus99 1 year ago 15
@drzeus99 the point still stands regardless
pipolwes000 6 months ago
Are You being English "It would seem by your accent" familiar with the French Revolution and how many people died to feeble mans philosophy and faith and the church took a back seat? I don't mean to be rude but your view is slightly skewed. Perhaps in retrospect the Nazi war and how many people also died to a Science over Religion view. God help you bro.
jamesmb123 1 year ago
You are a truly deceived individual. truly.
jamesmb123 1 year ago
To even begin to claim the Greeks were not superstitious and had no religion is beyond audacious. The Greek culture was god fearing . One of the major themes of their everyday life was that they were victims of their world and must ask the Gods for assistance. Claim Christianity screwed things up by all means , but please do not try to make it seem like the ancient Greeks were not religious at all.
MalumVir 1 year ago
@MalumVir
Ancient Greece allowed for people to follow all sorts of philosophies - including some that were pretty much agnostic, like Epicureanism - Epicurus thought we should look to our own happiness, as gods, if they existed, were not likely to help. He said: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
orlando098 4 months ago
i will show you how to survive for seven days
lucas503 1 year ago
Damn, wish i was english!
UtopiaMinor666 1 year ago
Religion isn't a problem, but it's a very good tool for causing problems.
Oicurmtoyoy 1 year ago
It is an interesting point. The ironic thing is that the device shown in the video is not the Antikythera mechanism at all, but simply a static tablet of some kind. The real Antikythera mechanism was a mechanical device consisting of gears, scales, and spiral tracks. See related video for more info.
evi1wombat 1 year ago
@evi1wombat
I agree - this objects in the video looks far less impressive; here's a good video about it: nature[dot]com/nature/videoarchive/antikythera/
orlando098 4 months ago
Sad propaganda. Yes, it is propaganda. Propaganda works both ways. This item is not heartbreaking in any way. If anything, it shows how jaded and presumptuous we have come in our new "scientific" age. Not that science is bad. Not saying that at all. But this should show that our ancient ancestors possessed a knowledge vastly more capable than modern science/historians give them credit for. It's not religon that squelches intellect; it's power mongrels using things like religion as tools.
TheDreamMechanic 1 year ago
Interesting. Have we ever paused to think what the world would be like without religion. Certainly we have had more than a few atheistic and anti-religious regimes in charge here and there throughout those same years that favored "rational" and "scientific" approaches... revolutionary France, Stalin's Communist Russia, Hitler's fascist Germany, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, on and on ... It is said that history is the best predictor of the future. What would the world be like?
richburb 1 year ago
@richburb ... Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi-Arabia, Nigeria, .... If anything, your examples demonstrate that non-religious regimes are just as prone to violence as theocracies if they don't encourage an ethical and humane treatment of their citizens. Religion is not the answer. Ethics is what is needed.
Zendrig 1 year ago
@Zendrig Exactly my point. Making religion the scapegoat for man's inhumanity to man obscures truth. Good science and investigation with honest observation are far more prudent tools than the propaganda offered here. The hate from both sides of the argument points to a deeper source of the trouble. The "loving, tolorant athiests" posting (often raging) here of their hatred for religion and religious people makes for interesting comparison and contrast with their conterpart "religious" posters.
richburb 9 months ago
@richburb Pretty sad comparisons considering that Hitler was raised a catholic, and also that these leaders were not so much atheists as they were just displacing religion and its gods with the dictator/leader in question who proclaimed themselves as gods. I think the point this videographer was trying to make was that as facts show, religion has a far longer track record of violence and repression that is still going on today, well past those that you previously mentioned. A terrible legacy.
EchosFromaBlankMind 1 year ago
@EchosFromaBlankMind Historically, facts show that athiestic regimes have a far greater body count and have brought opression to far greater heights than their evil religious counterparts. Fortunately they have supporters, like yourself, that seem content to dismiss such atrocities as the outcome of athiestic thinking. So although bad religious leaders are acting upon their religious beliefs, the same does not also hold true that bad athiests are acting upon their atheistic beliefs.
richburb 9 months ago
@richburb Some of the regimes that you reference, are not true atheistic regimes and that the people were political atheists. It was more of an oppressive theocracy with the government having an official policy concerning religions. Some of the leaders you point to, Stalin or Pol Pot, you neglect to mention the obvious fact that both were idealistic communist regimes that surpressed religious behaviour artificially, thus the people were never really atheists. Where did you get those "FACTS"
EchosFromaBlankMind 9 months ago
@richburb I have to say that you do make a valid point as to the body count, but you must also make the concession that had the religious leaders of the past had at their disposal the guns, bombs, tanks, aircraft and the rest of the killing machinery, would they have not willingly taken more lives, but instead in the name of a god. We both can concede that there are good people and bad people who will follow their own desires religious or not. Religions past killings are just harder to confirm.
EchosFromaBlankMind 9 months ago
fucking religions piss me off! just imagine where we'd BE if it wasn't for religion! it is a truly saddening and sickening thought!
E34BMW535i 1 year ago
If we have in mind that some of us have somewhat abilities of leadership, while others have this inner calling of following someone or something that feeds their necessity for believing, as they group themselves together, considering their situation and their knowledge at that time, baam! Religion is born, and with that all the ceremonies that any cult demands, and the body of rules and prohibitions that our necessity of order requires, and so on and so on...
marvinperu 1 year ago
Is he a believer of the ancient Sumerian legend of the Annunaki/Nephilims? Or maybe he believes (like history has demonstrated infinite times) that the ones who are doomed to be subdued are those who have the backward technology - ergo us? Anyway, he's a believer of his ideas... Like all of us, his brain is wired to believe, no matter what or "in what"... I guess that's the point. We have that capacity of thinking, and we're so aware of our lifetime and its shortness, that we NEED TO BELIEVE...
marvinperu 1 year ago
Although the Alien Theory sound very convincing to many beyond the so called UFOlogists, to the point that some scientist have been convinced that they may have visited us several times in the past (for some the Antikythera mechanism as well as many other ancient feats could be attributed to a highly developed culture, maybe founded or influenced by extraterrestrial beings), there are still some (like Hawking) that believe that if there are aliens, they won't be necessarily good to us...
marvinperu 1 year ago
But there are still others who believe that some could be saved and that's why they preach house by house every Sunday, while others believe in self discipline and in an inner retrospection to stop the cycle of reencarnation in which imperfect people are summoned through their deeds. Others believe in natural forces and the restoration of equilibrium. Other people are increasingly oriented to believe that the salvation will come from outside... our planet...
marvinperu 1 year ago
For there are a lot of highly educated people that believe that their university degree has been acquired for the only and selfish purpose of making money, making them rich, no matter what, 'cause life is like that. And it's a kind of worldwide belief. And that belief starts such a collapsing spiral of violence, corruption, unjustice and degradation (for saying something), that others believe that we're fucked up as a species and that we deserve an ending (e.g. 2012)...
marvinperu 1 year ago
Even worst, there were and still are some fake-leaders who are willing to take advantage of that situation in order to use it for restricting their fellow citizens' rights, based on the fear that the high possibility of such attemps to happen cause. And there's media, owners, associates, publishers, hosts, workers that believe that the spreading of that fear and the broadcasting of violence is their only way to make more money, and they do so...
marvinperu 1 year ago
And since the US is not all of us, others believe that they were born to suffer. Others believe that attachment to possessions make human beings suffering. But some others believe that through suffering they will reach blessing. Other radicals believe that they have the right to fight back, and make their invaders suffer. And if they find the ones who believe that by killing the enemy they'll go directly to paradise, BAAAAAM! (now literaly) Suicide boombers...
marvinperu 1 year ago
Some believe that money, an outrageous amount of it, is the answer to all the problems. Jews have always been believed to be pretty good at making it. And some others believe that people must have all the freedom they need to make as much money as they can, 'cause that way, they'll collect more taxes. More than a few believe that there's always someone who can be bribed or blackmailed, in a way or another, so that they can keep more of 'their' money (and 'their happines' with it)...
marvinperu 1 year ago
Put all of them dreaming together under the eye of the ones who believe they have the right to control whatever happens with-to-in-outside-towards-for their country and their money, and BAAM! You've got the US...
marvinperu 1 year ago
Most scientist believe in the Big Bang Theory ('believe' because it's still a theory), others believe in the Theory of Evolution (again, 'believe'), others believe that through a Mathematical Theory they 'can explain' human behavior, for saying something. Others believe in the superiority or inferiority of one race or others. Others believe that the problem is overpopulation (Malthusianism). And if you put them together, baam! Nazis...
marvinperu 1 year ago
Besides the fact that through Islam we've been able to access most of the knowledge that Greeks and other ancient people developed, there's another issue that is even more important. From the humanistic point of view a person could be defined as a rational-social-animal. But neither of the three characteristics, in any amount you would combine them, can actually give a sense of comfort to people. It's like we've been wired to believe (that's what we call HOPE, I shall say)...
marvinperu 1 year ago
Without monotheistic fanaticism (aka Judeo-Christian-Islam), we'd probably still believe in many ridiculous things (aka astrology, space-aliens, Big Foot, Ghosts).
The problem isn't religion per se, it's putting high value on the supernatural.
If we had 2000 years without supernatural thinking, we would not have wasted the time mistreating our fellow human beings in such callous ways.
drfoxcourt 1 year ago
if there was no religion there wouldn't be any genital diseases and I would have a clone with me
OscarK08 1 year ago
religion is the root of many wars.. without religion there would be alot more peace between people of different countries... therefore a more unified world...
rkarunanayaka 1 year ago
a world with out religion thats just crazy... crazy awesome.
pcorn915 1 year ago
evrey one is so pissed about dissing god but i ask you if you were god who created life and lets it progress on its own with out interfear then would he be like the clever little bastards how are they doing that?
god wouldnt be angrey he would be happy and proud just like a father or mother is to ther offspring so i ask why then do we limmit our selves to please a parent(god) if it lets us do our own thing anyway?
FROSTYDEAN15 1 year ago
Stephen Hawking asked Dawkins, "Why are you so obsessed with religion?"
luftigus 1 year ago
@luftigus
That's a bit rich coming from him, when he's also written a book about why God doesn't exist and done a documentary on the same thing
orlando098 4 months ago
a world whitout religion, isnt that what whe al dream of a perfect world, the most of the wars are based on diferent religion,
kingkoltai 1 year ago
A world without Religion, Big Business, Corrupt Governments, and War is a world I want to live in, but I dont want to live in a world without God.
UmNothankyou 1 year ago
@UmNothankyou Maybe you already do!
DevinThomas 1 year ago
@UmNothankyou Why? Why does he matter so much?
halfawake454 1 year ago
@halfawake454 well Im changed my stance..I believe I am God now... =D
UmNothankyou 1 year ago
@UmNothankyou Cool! Do you grant wishes to folks on youtube comments?
halfawake454 1 year ago
@halfawake454 that would be awesome, maybe some day but right now I dont have any powers.
UmNothankyou 1 year ago
Your logic is biased for the fact that you are an athiest. You're nothing but a pompus dreamer who is lost in "what if". Get a grip and deal with it.
DoctorLoveJuice 1 year ago
Although I disagree with the antireligious sentiment, the comment about Islam encouraging women's haute couture was hilarious. XD
umbraexx 1 year ago
you must be really bad educated.or you would know some of history of world.you dont know nothing about influence of islam scientifists for astronomy and about universities origin. you know nothing about cassini or samarakanda. If you are so naive ignorant why you try to accuse any religion for your intelectual absense?This what you said is very flat because of all reasons which you are not consious. And treat it personally! you have no knowledge so stop exciting by your non justified objections
Bikero000 1 year ago
@Bikero000
Islamic scientists didn't do much to advance the sciences, they just preserved what the Greeks and Romans accomplished, while European Christians were destroying it. Cassini was French and Samarkand Observatory was destroyed by religious luddites. It seems those examples are evidence against your claim.
Wraithofvolsunga 1 year ago
Peace and may god b. Less
albus23 1 year ago
And would you suggest the Selfish Gene was putinto the leash?
AlbDori 1 year ago
I wouldn't say its necessarily religion that's the problem, its Abrahamic Monotheism. The pagans of Greece and Rome were perfectly willing to accept reason over superstition because European polytheism was understood by the educated of the time to be mostly symbolic. If a religion (like Western Polytheism) is willing to allow itself to be replaced, then there is no problem with it. If Abrahamism never took hold, we likely would have all been pantheists before the close of the first millennium.
Wraithofvolsunga 1 year ago
This video made me sad. :-(
I always think about how beautiful the world COULD be and that it's such a shame that we're not living up to our full potential... not in the slightest...
And now you've shown to me that we had even more potential than I already thought, and that so far we've wasted it even more than I had ever imagined. :-(
Compact3 1 year ago
@Compact3
I'm no expert, but I would say if you want to see how much good sense existed in ancient times (at least among parts of the population), read some works by Seneca (the younger) or Epicurus, or Marcus Aurelius. Or see the comfortable steam baths and hot and cold pools ancient Romans had for relaxation, or how they had blocks of flats, underfloor heating systems etc. It IS a shame that the "Dark Ages" followed the classical period. Reconstruction of Rome: tinyurl[dot]com/AncientRomePic
orlando098 4 months ago
The belief that only God should hold the answers to any question is what made us loose over 4,000 years of knowledge and more than 800 years of non advancement. From killing of village elder women who had knowledge of herbals to the killing of scientist who understood math, chemistry or alchemy is what got us here. Ancient Egyptians wrote the first known medical journal, due to all their years in mummifying. It was a religious ceremony so, not all religions are bad.
Vilewoman76 1 year ago
yeah youre right, we fucked up over the last 2000 yrs
DancingBProductions 2 years ago 42
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I think you will find that there was no 2000 year pause in human advancement.
The dig at Muslims towards the end of the clip is curious given just how many inventions and discoveryies the historians credit them with. Take their contribution to Chemistry alone...
"Chemistry as a science was almost created by the Moslems; for in this field ... the Saracens introduced precise observation, controlled experiment, and careful records..." (Durant W, 1980, The Age of Faith, p. 162)
Go & read.
hark60 2 years ago
On 27-28 November, I wrote in a story that a tower clock collapsed into its basement in a city equipped with technology from around 1950s. It broke through the foundation into a forgotton ruin with a 1260 year old computer that revealed the city was made from an ancient cube. A week later, I found Scott Pagano's video to the song by BT, Antikythera Mechanism. The story is FHD Remix at the BookRix website. I agree with your message; I've been screwed over by six churches. But there is a God!
featherwinglove 2 years ago
I would like to see the world divided by religious people with his faith in one side and anti-religion people with his science in the other, to compare the progress of each side. It's obvious that the anti-religion side would win by far....
gpsification 2 years ago 3
its also obvious the anti-religion side would be more promiscuous, no morals, probably more drugs, less offspring.
Religion is the foundation of all modern morals and society. You are ignorant to think its not.
mattwjohnston 1 year ago
@mattwjohnston WTF??? What are u talking about? Who's talking about moral? I'm talking about progress of the society and by the way, anti religion people and religious people are equally moral, that's a personal thing. It is a misconception that to be moral u need to be religious. That makes no sense. You're ignorant if u think like that. NOTHING PERSONAL.
gpsification 1 year ago
@mattwjohnston.
Look at all the people who have already overdosed or died from countless drugs such as, heroin, pcp... whatever else there is, i'm not a druggie so i don't know a lot of names for them. They are obviously not afraid of their fate therefore the drug usage would be the same. Morals aren't anything to do with religion it's about being a good person and if people don't know that like yourself then, you're dumb. If people did more drugs and drinking they'd have more children probably
NeglectedGlitchers 1 year ago
@mattwjohnston
It's not, do you think people who don't worship the Abrahamic god are not capable of morals? What about Buddha, Confuscius, Lao Tse, Socrates, Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson etc, to mention a few people off the top of my head? Breaking free from strictly enforced religious "morals" has advanced our morals - religion tends to support inequality of the sexes, slavery, oppressing people of other beliefs or none, beating children, killing gay people etc.
orlando098 4 months ago
i read recently that the heliocentric nature of the antikythera mechanism, fabricated some 1500 years or more before Galilleo or Copernicus, casts doubt on our understanding of greek science and how it fed into modern western culture. But as it was found sunk on a Roman ship and apart from references from people such as Cicero, no sign of this technology existed, it could be argued this was an early conspiracy to keep Earth and therefore men, at the centre of our universe
happysnapper999a 2 years ago
After the fall of the roman empire. Be thankful of the monks cluttered up in their monasteries kept the knowledge, and the language of the roman people that would have otherwise been lost.
ssjLancer 2 years ago
You mean those monks who forbade the knowledge escaping out of their walled compounds? Those monks who ensured that the languages of scholarship, Greek and Latin, were not taught to the masses and the words of the ancient scholars were never translated into the language of the people?
The church stopped the masses being educated and stopped anybody reading the contents of ancient texts in case they discovered the awkward facts that the ancients were smarter than contemporary religious bigots.
MartinJWillett 2 years ago
You are definitely confused. Knowledge never escaped those 'walled compounds' because there was no where else it could flourish. Who else but the church offered to educate the public? where were the willing teachers apart from the priests? yeah, thought so.
As the only remnants of the fallen roman empire it was up to the catholic church to establish the first FREE schools in cathedrals(under Charlemagne every cathedral required a school). Poor priests even taught the poor local children.
ssjLancer 2 years ago
Why couldn't knowledge of philosophy and science survive outside of monasteries? You have just repeated an explanation which satisfied your own low standards of explanation because you wanted to be satisfied by it. We have books in libraries and museums today, where they are protected, but they are not imprisoned in them. Copies are allowed out, but they weren't back when the Church proscribed such knowledge.
MartinJWillett 2 years ago
What proof do you have that the Church purposely kept the knowledge away from the public? How were 'copies not allowed out' as you put it? I think youve been watching too many hollywood movies..
And I already asked you who apart from the church fostered education?
You act like libraries and museums were just sprouting on their own in the dark ages. Thats not how it works.
Only the Church took the initiative that no one else could and somehow youre blaming them for that.
ssjLancer 2 years ago
You seem to imply that the only way ancient knowledge can be preserved is by hiding books away and only letting priests see them. Surely books are more likely to survive, with the knowledge they contain, if they are not locked away behind stone walls but copies made and distributed, and these copies used for teaching. Nobody can destroy the Oxford English Dictionary now because copies exist in many places. That information is safer than any human knowledge has ever been in the past.
MartinJWillett 2 years ago
You seem to think everything can be made from nothing. Ill ask one more time. Who apart from the church provided schools and teachers?
Examples, ever heard of them? who and where were these non religious libraries and education centers that were being denied access to these 'books.'
ssjLancer 2 years ago
How can you have a library without books? How can you run a university when you have been burned at the stake? Learning was only for the religiously orthodox, those under the control of the Church. If you tried to teach anybody anything outside the framework of the Church they would see that you didn't get away with it. Religion suppressed knowledge and refused to let it out of their control. That is why western civilization spent a thousand years praying by candlelight in ignorance.
MartinJWillett 2 years ago
"How can you run a university when you have been burned at the stake?"
What intellects were burned at the stake? do you mean Galileo? that was in the 17th century. Again, long past the dark ages.
"Religion suppressed knowledge and refused to let it out of their control."
Do you like giving these blanket statements without actually any substance behind them?
Who else wanted control of knowledge? specific examples.
ssjLancer 2 years ago
"Learning was only for the religiously orthodox,"
Oh.. you mean like.. Everyone in Europe? oh right I forgot about this engineer Jew you were referring to. The catholic schooling system is the basis for the modern day public school system we have now. Its why catholic schools still exist today.
ssjLancer 2 years ago
The very first university, the University of Bologna was established by Frederick Barbarossa, the Holy Roman Emperor. And thats just Christianity. The Byzantine Empire(Islam) was enjoying its golden age of knowledge. Many advancements in chemistry, astronomy, physics, science in general was under strict Islamic rule.
ssjLancer 2 years ago
Indeed Islam was very much freer than Christendom, briefly, until it too began to distrust science and knowledge as dangerous. While the Arabs made discoveries in science they didn't do anything with them, knowledge was for accredited and trusted Religiously Correct scholars, not for engineers and entrepreneurs. When religion's foot was taken off the windpipe of Christendom there was an explosion of creativity and novel science and philosophy was done in Europe for the first time.
MartinJWillett 2 years ago 2
Wow and youre asking me for explanation when you continue to make these meaningless claims.
Once again youre putting the cart before the horse. Who were these people, who are somehow born engineers in your story, that were getting denied educational privilege? and without engineers.. how on earth was religion able to design their great temples and cathedrals. Those priests must have just prayed really hard for them :rolleseyes:
ssjLancer 2 years ago
They were freethinkers, Methodists, Quakers, Jews, deists and those who didn't care about religion at all. Universities had no places for people not under the control of the Church, and they did no science anyway!
The only arts and sciences which flourished in the ages made dark by oppressive religion were those the Church found directly useful.
You have a hell of a lot of indoctrination to wipe away before you could ever come to see reality.
MartinJWillett 2 years ago
You just spent a few responses crying about how the monks were keeping the masses in the dark and 'hiding' all their books away from everyone else. But apparently 'they did no science anyways.'
Your argument is falling apart.
BTW quakers, and methodists didnt appea