Half of European men share King Tut’s DNA: Swiss researchers
Up to 70 per cent of British men and half of all Western European men are related to the Egyptian Pharaoh Tutankhamun, geneticists in Switzerland have found.
@infox1000 Dr. Clark, and all people who identify with his race, and want to deny white racist stereotypes about their people, they should take Dr. Clarkes OWN advice here. "Don't get mad, get smart, prove me wrong!" How sad that his over reaching pseudo history and race baiting rhetoric fails in this very endeavor.
@infox1000 to foster MORE anger toward whites in general, inflaming Black racism which often ends in violence against whites. Rather than building self confidence and motivation in Black people, Dr. Clarks rhetoric is more likely to inflame a desire for vengence against the "white thieves". Blacks can be and are RACIST against white people. There is no greater power one can hold over another human being than that which can snuff out a persons LIFE! Black violence against whites proves that.
@infox1000 The problem is that Black people prefer to blame whites for all their problems, rather than themselves! Whites who tire of their attitude, anger and yes,black racist attitudes against white are then branded as oppressors, guilty of causing the problems of blacks and stealing that which rightfully belongs to the black man. OH REALLY! The more "intellectual" blacks such as Dr. Clark merely perpetuate this ridiculous ascertian and
@infox1000 compete w/the other world peoples and take their place with the rest, creating their own industry, inventions and exports. Why? If you want to change our perceptions, first change your own behavior. It cant all be racism. Whites aren't in love with Asians, yet we give them their due, we have to, they show their knowledge, abilities and civilizations abundantly. Why do we have to embrace Dr. Clarks obvious lies and overstatements as fact when we see so little corroboration elsewhere?
@infox1000 indeed it only reinforces racist stereotypes. WHY if blacks are the progenitors of civilization do the blacks in Africa languish in poverty? Why have no great nations arisen from that continent alone? Why do so many of the leaders of the African nations rob and impoverish their own people to agrandise themselves? White people SEE these things, what other opinon are we supposed to arrive at when we see a people whose culture, rich in music and dance though it is, cannot somehow
@infox1000 others from seeing blacks as their equal in Science, medicine and other rigourous disiplines. As soon as black people take their place at the leading edge of these careers and sciences, whites will start to change their minds about racist attitudes toward blacks in general. Blacks should SHUDDER at the behavior displayed by the blacks here, both Dr. Clark, the moderator AND the audience display base antagonistic childish behavior and do little to promote their cause.
@infox1000 Well thats great. White people could really care less what fantasies black people delude themselves with to get through the day. Black people would do better to look to their present, than try to appropriate the past of OTHERS Egyptians are not and for the most part were NEVER a black people. They enlarge their knowledge of how things work improve their minds and their prospects. It is the derth of black people in leading positions of Science and knowledge which prevent . . .
@infox1000 If you want to know how the true Egyptians view Black claims on THEIR culture you would do well to look them up! I do NOT view Egypt as a Black civilization. IF you have an empire that IS black and has been overlooked I would be the first to defend your right to pride. So far, I have seen none. That is not the fault of white people or any other race.
@infox1000 Not important whether you agree or not, a serious debate is a place for evidentiary enlightenment, not for petty emotional arrogant outbursts. Dr. Clark embarrassed himself before all non-black viewers of this debate. The way he comported himself shows genuine immaturity, a behaviour which is unsuitable for one who seeks to be a spokesman for his people. If you want Whites and other races to respect your position, you'd best put forth a spokesman that speaks well and true. He FAILS.
@infox1000 "Africans never civilized whites" you bet they didn't. I've NO problem with Blacks learning more about their lost history. BUT I take extreme exception here at the attitude of "Dr. Clark" he does NOT show proper academic emotional distance in this field of study. The phrase, "butt kissers" should NEVER come up in debates of this kind. The tone of his comments show that he is partisan to say the least, and a race baiter to put it more bluntly. What a poor spokesman he is for blacks.
@moigranespiritu12 Yes, later on in the series she has a tiff with the White man opposing her precious Dr. Clark. Her arrogance exposed her ignorance! LOL! Even I could discern what those words MIGHT mean, Melan Chroas not sure if that is how its spelled, but Melan perhaps = melanin- dark pigment? Chroas = chroma or color. IF she REALLY knew Greek SHE WOULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT THAT MEANS! Mine is just an educated guess, she knows NOTHING.
@moigranespiritu12 He should have called her out further. I bet the woman at his side had some knowledge of German they should have torn her down to size. She interrupts them all the time! Obnoxious, unprofessional behavior. Dr. Clark is a preening narcissist idiot. Pathetic, the whole lot!
How many books can you cite in this Nubian language? What great literature have they produced in this Nubian written script? If you think people are ignorant of the truth, its because we are not exposed to any great African cultures. I am not racist though you may disagree. Why is it that if Africans civilized the Whites, why did the African receed into a state which can only be regarded as backward? Why?
@infox1000 Sure they did. So . . . they had no written language of their own? No mother tongue in which they created their OWN written language? The fact that they wrote in the language of another people suggests that they were colonized or educated BY them. Please let me know which tribes had their OWN written language and histories.
@infox1000 According to my sources the Tarikh al-Sudan was written in Arabic and not in any Sudanese or Nubian language. So, the question remains, is it their written record? Or is it a record written about them by others. This leads us back the ascertian that THEY made no history (records) of their exploits. The fact their history is in the language of another people does NOT bolster your argument here.
@infox1000 Clarke's white teacher might not have been particularly cool in putting it to him like that. But he wasn't exactly incorrect. The fact is, blacks had a much narrower, static tribal history. They remain unchanged for millenia. Plus having no writing, anything they DID do wasn't documented by them. African blacks simply weren't major players in the ancient world of trade and commerce. They were extremely primitive relative to other peoples. Modern history books confirm this.
@infox1000 But Clarke wasn't hearing "racist lies." He was hearing actual history. Blacks weren't part of it--they were preliterate pastoral tribespeople, sideliners in the Hebrew drama. But Clarke didn't like it, so he started creating an alternative, myth-based history which included blacks. Which is fine. No one said blacks MUST abide by empirical truth, when indeed their culture was never based on it. And any "African" personage of note was basically North African--i.e., Caucasian.
OK, 4:05 is where it ends. Lefkowitz asks Bernal to cite SPECIFIC EXAMPLES of Egyptian thought influencing Greek philosophy.
Bernal's answer, in a nutshell: "Well, I must confess we have no direct evidence. However, because Egyptian civilization preceded Greece, and because there certainly must've been contact between the two cultures due to their proximity, the burden of proof shouldn't be on me--it should be on my critics to DISPROVE a connection, which surely must be there." FRAUD!!
Clarke makes clear that he's not searching for objective truth. He's looking to restore the dignity of his people by re-inserting them in history. He said he was affronted that the Bible didn't mention "his" people. So fucking what? It doesn't mentioned East Asians either, but they couldn't care less. They're MAKING history RIGHT NOW. We all know blacks don't have a civilized history. But instead of working hard to CREATE their history--they embrace the delusion of "Afrocentrism" instead.
Y is Dr. Clark congratulating himself for reading a book like THAT at the age of 18 years old? Eighteen yrs is NOT an age at which we should be impressed that one is reading sophisticated educational material! Likewise I am amazed at his self congratulatory speech as to when he started reading in general. This is a man who has deluded himself into believing that his education and knowledge of these matters is exceptional. Amongst all on this panel, he is the one who displays the least intellect.
@stickygumshoes are you stupid or what? when we was that age there black were not allow to study or read. so yes at that time it was impressive to be read. Please learn history/
Oh and -- as if this needs to be said -- the moderator is a pathetic, childish woman who doesn't even TRY to do what a moderator is supposed to do: provide balance, challenge all sides, and encourage the dialogue with at least an air of objectivity. She's rude, arrogant, and so obviously biased that it's shameful. The crowd is pretty unbelievable too -- hooting and hollering when they agree with something, yelling things out, etc. Ugh. Yes, objectivity is hard, but it needs to be aspired to.
Clarke was a demagogue and a preacher of Afrocentrist dogma, not a historian, not a scholar. He was an eighth-grade dropout who never earned a college degree (unless you count a "doctorate" from a non-accredited college at the age of 78). He was embarrassing, disingenuous, and utterly uninterested in what the weight of the historical evidence shows. His constant jokes and rude remarks only succeed in communicating how intellectually insecure the man was. He'd should've been a preacher.
I know there is an overwhelming desire to to be something historic in most people but in doing so you reach for a false conclusion all you do is make yourself the fool.
@Boukephalos1 If you haven't noticed, Egyptians are black. Black as in they have dark skin, and black as in EGYPT IS IN AFRICA. And if the rest of what I said was crap then what's the significance of having blue eyes? it's just the way your DNA controls the number of certain proteins in your irises that make your eye color; having blue eyes doesn't really affect your eyesight therefore it's a superficial characteristic.
This is not a debate on whether anyone was black or white. This is a Debate on whether Grecian Culture was influenced by African Culture. If Tut was not 'black', wouldn't that mean that the Egyptian and European Cultures interacted on some level? And also keep in mind that what we know as African and European today was not the same at that time. Over time superficial characteristics like skin color has changed. There are minute DNA differences that dictate those characteristics.
The truth is never trite. We see you just appreciate carnies and snake charmers. What with the recemt IGENA results of King Tut the black Athena and black Tut myths are over.
Clarke reveals his blatant racism... the last branch of humanity? last to enter the arena of civilization? and he challenges, "prove me wrong." Well, that is easy to do. In a word: VINCA.
For real white people always do come with the same ol' National Geographic history.LOLNo,they weren't black...they were mulatto....lol.they look Arabic..lol
The greeks wer not black they wer mixed mulottos and not at all cucazoids or germanic savages. EuroPeons r so arragant just yesterday they said the world was flat while africans knew better lol
Biased? Bias is one thing but taking sides by skin color and by who makes blacks look good as opposed to bad has quite another term for it. I don't know Clarke other than this but I'd bet money he likes Farrakhan. This conceit about what is an "African" culture denies the fact that the land bridge to Gaza makes Egypt far closer to the Near East than sub-Saharan Africa and hiding behind the technicality of Egypt being on "the continent" is absurd given distance, the Sahara and Nile bottleneck.
@Amunkriket You would lose money here as you make an assumption. Clarke does not like Minister Farrakhan or the Nation of Islam. Black people are not monolithic. Egypt is next to the Sudan with the Nile river connecting Egypt, Sudan, Uganda and Ethiopia. How is there a great distance between Egypt and the nations of the South when this waterway connected the region from ancient times? You are obviously trying too hard to deny truth and you should just stop.
Celts of Iberia and Hibernia gathered their spirituality and celestial knowledge from the Kanaanites/Pheonicians who established trading and mining centers in the present-day United Kingdom, Portugal and Spain respectively.
Its funny how you all continue to visit these videos. If its so incorrect, you should be able to give many sources as well as your own evidence to disprove Dr. Clarke. Yall seem to respond with a lot of anger and hate. I've attempted to check sources from some of you and i come up with nothing. Stop doing this to yourselves.
@tw1704 Clarke is clearly not a man of reason but a bigot and a racist. Trust in skin color doesn't allow you to see this but if I had this man as a mentor I'd be in deep doo doo.
OK, lets forget about Greeks and Romans and Egypt. There was a civilization called "Trypilian" in the area where Bolgaria, Western Hungary and central and Western Ukraine. That Trypilian culture was advanced and on the same level as Mesopotamian Civilization and existed there as far as 5000 BC. So what connection does Africa has to that culture? Trypilians were of European stock. What can dr. Clark say about that?
You Afro-centrics are brainwashed FOOLS. The vast majority of the Greeks were white, and the vast majority of Egyptians were BROWN, and NOT black, until the Nubian invasion, which occured LATE in B.C. history. Tut's recent DNA tests are laughing at you, along with the NUMEROUS pre human fossils that are being found all around the world, blowing your "Out of Africa" LUNACY away. You Afro-centrics are LIARS and thieves !
@EducatedRebellion101 @ Educated, First of all no one is claiming that the greeks were Black. Personally i wouldn't want to be associated with there decadence. What is being said is Greeks got their knowledge from the Ancient Egyptians who were BLACK!
The fathers of Greek philosophy were not even Greeks. Do the research and you will see that all of them Anaximander, PYTHAGORAS and the rest of them were IONIANS WHICH IS LOCATED IN ASIA MINOR WHICH WAS A COLONY OF EGYPT, THIS CAN BE VERIFIED BY THE TOMB OF RAMSES II. IN 6TH CENTURY B.C. EGYPT WAS A OLD AND VERY OLD CIVILIZATION. HOW CAN THE GREEKS BE FATHERS OF PHILOSOPHY, YOU NEED PEACE FOR THAT. THE GREEKS WERE UP TO THEIR NECKS IN WARS DURING THAT WHOLE PERIOD.
Let me let U in on a little secret about this site & .about other 2 Black Athena sites It was set up to put forth the absurd theory Greeks were Black,by fyromians. They call themselves Macedonians but aren't only Greeks are Macedonians. So to degrade Greeks they had a falsified DNA & financed the author of this book. it wasn't done to exalt blacks but degrade Greeks by saying they were black and african. Now blacks ran with absurd theory not realizing it degrades them.
Does any other black person besides myself find it bewildering - when white people actually pretend as if their "scholarship" is unbiased, fair and throughly researched without any intent to elevate themselves above every other race. How can the same people who gave us jim crowe, one drop rule, race-based slavery, aparthied, holocaust, separate water fountains want people to believe that their "scholarship" colorblind?
@TheBlackRite we are dealing with a beast. The white man is the worst thing to ever happen to this planet. They are arrogant in everything that they do. They have stolen everything from every damn body and I do not believe you can find any good in any of them. Crackas are something else and we need to separate from these devils. They claim they are from God but not one of these beasts have ever performed a Godly deed
The kkkracker is not arrogant. The cracker is INSECURE and AFRAID of his impending genetic annihilation. The ostensible hubris and white "superiority" complex is nothing but a mask for his own racial/genetic self-doubt. The peckerwood/vampire knows they are incompatible with NATURE. They are an unnatural, abnormal abberant, vile virus in stark contrast to the people with melanin i.e. the NATURAL races.
The Zionist have made a business out of disinformation and destroyed History to promote their falsehoods and lies over the pass 200 Years, all the books they have written should be dumped.
@veritaslogos one thing is for sure this was edited by the person who put this debate on U-Tube. There are no closing arguments for Leftkowitz and Rogers, edited out. It reveals whoever placed this here edited more of what they said.
That with clarkes incredible unintelligible bias rants and a moderator who claims to be of scholarship in everything but uses the old standby when quizzed on her knowledge" I will leave that up to scholars', well madam these are the scholars Rogers and Leftkowitz, not clarke and bernal.
@Boukephalos1 actually Clarke has done more researchi n these areas more than Lefokowitz and Rogers, just because he doesn't speak in academic language doesn't mean he's unintellgient. two, the moderator is one of the few poeople that are actually critical of Leftkowitz and Rogers which mainstream academics were not
@Boukephalos1 Actually he gets to what the issue is truly about, whihc is EGypt's African identity and he caught rogers in a big mistake, and it is a common misconception that Mesopotamia precedes Egypt in civilization even though EGyptian chronogloy is overly compressed and the fact the humanity starts in Africa
@Boukephalos1 actually mesopotamia didn't have a centralised state till around 3400-3380 BCE and the egyptians have the older claendar at 4236 BCE and agriculture, animal domestication, and pottery was in the Sudan before anywhere else (9000 BCE) and the first form of writing as shown by the King Scorpion finds and Qustul findings show that Nubia's is older
@XuanDi 4200 BC - We refer to the city-based cultures that developed in Mesopotamia. Egypt didn't even have a written language at that time. These were characterized (among other things) by complex division of labor; a hierarchy of governance that extended out beyond the city itself. Sudan doesn't qualify. hell they have just found the same in the Balkans dating 9000 BC. They don't qualify either. You see my facts are better then yours.You're wrong.
@Boukephalos1 but ur facts are wrong. (1) the scorpion site predates cunieform script of the Sumerians, and could've have been used much earlier. SUDAN DOES COUNT because thats where Egytian civilziation emerged. Pottery cam eout of the Sudan and spread to other regions and obviously Anatolia was one of them and they actually have it at 7000 BCE. I reccomend u read "Introduction to African civilizations" by Christopher Ehret. who were your sources, I'd like to read them?
Where are the monuments in Mesopotamia, where is the development and how do you trace the development. In Africa you see nothing but development. It was the Africans that went in to Mesopotamia and built those monuments. In the Bible it says that Nimrod the son of HAM founded those Mesopotamian Cities.
NOTICE WHAT YOU SAID MY FRIEND. YOU SAID THE NILE DELTA WHICH IS LOWER EGYPT. IN UPPER EGYPT THERE WERE OPULENT CITIES. REMEMBER THE DELTA WAS NOTHING BUT A SEA AND THIS IS WHY MENES IS KNOWN AS THE EMBANKER BECAUSE HE EMBANKED THE SEA AND BUILT THE CITY OF MEMPHIS. RESEARCH THE OLD CHRONICLE AND THE THINITE DYNASTIES. THE SHIT GOES BACK 36,000 YEARS.
@Boukephalos1 Exactly, Clarks and moderator lady's behavior can be compared to preaching in a black babtist church. Not a scholarly way. I understand that blacks want recognition, but saying that Greeks were black , forgive me, simply stupid and ignorant.
@Boukephalos1 all are scholars but rogers and leftkowitz are merely student s of the master teacher Dr. Clarke, they are not on his level, period. No rants just proof, whites cant debate truth, they just talk of various topics to aviod the questions. You notice that very few white scholars ever want to debate black scholars such as Dr Clarke, Dr Ben, Dr. Sertima, Dr Pookrum, Dr. Jackson. Please next time dont leave a comment your too weak
@alkebulan97 That's pretty funny kid. What are trying to do top your parents? clarke doesn't even have a high school degree. Look you just lost the argument that Egyptians were black on the Discovery Channel. DNA. So if Greeks came from africa and they didn't, they would have been WHITE. Notice this poster of the debate didn't leave the closing statements of Rodgers and Leftkowitz. It' s called FEAR. The TRUTH is always easier to REMEMBER. Here is the discovery channel review next. Enjoy!.
@alkebulan97 Despite the refusal of the Sec General of the Egyptian Supreme Council of Antiquities, Zahi Hawass, to release any DNA results which might indicate the racial ancestry of Pharaoh Tutankhamen, the leaked results reveal that King Tut’s DNA is a 99.6 percent match w/Western European Y chromosomes.The DNA test results were revealed on a Discovery Channel TV documentary filmed with Hawass’s permission the Egyptian failed to spot part of the documentary which revealed the test results.
@Boukephalos1 Egyptians were Africans. DNA from modern Egyptian males especially in the South are of haplogroup E-YDNA which is East African in origin. The official DNA of King Tut has yet to be released that haplogroup R1B was incorrectly released by a scientist who was watching the show & assumed that was his DNA. Even then R1B is well known in Central East Africa. Even Diodorus knew that the Egyptians were a colony sent out by the Ethiopians. To understand Egypt one must study all of Africa.
@Boukephalos1 "In the year 2009 extended DNA-tests had been carried out with the mummy of Tutankamun and other members for his family. These have only partially been published in February 2010. Despite several demands, the results of the Y-DNA tests have been shut away" This was taken right of iGENEA. Basically they are hiding the truth and giving off false info. And they never revealed is mtDNA. His grandmother was Queen Tiye who was of Nubian descent so his father had to be an African.
@Boukephalos1 iGENEA was not even the ones who conducted the original DNA examination of Tut to begin with. They are basically assuming what it could have based upon their own opinions and not facts. And R1b possible origin is West Asian not European in origin. And R1b1a is commonly found in Sub Sahara Africa ie Cameroon. Which means any lineage of R1b1a either a1 or a2 would have mutated from R1b1a. R1b1a2 is still undefined as far as its origins according to wikipedia...cont
@Boukephalos1 Its a cite that was created & monitored by your own white brothers! Its an online Encyclopedia with protected articles & they also cite their references down at the page. One of the sources is the International Society of Genetic Genealogy. But I guess that you are the type that if 1 white person tells the truth you will become part of the 100 white ppl that try to refute that person but if 100 white ppl tell a lie you will be part of the 1000's that promote that lie as a fact.
@Boukephalos1 The so called real world you claim is merely an illusion & since you have been raised as a child to believe in that illusion it has become your reality. There would be no Western Civilization without the achievements of Eastern Civilization. There is no sunset (which sets in the west) without the sunrise (which rises in the East). Africans know that many lies have been told to distort not only history but also the future. But time is running out as info. is quicker to access.
@HeruTutankhamun Great civilzations came from the east, but the east wasn't black, so get on to something that matters like the truth. Remember, the Truth is always easier to Remember. I would suggest you change your name. To Piye the Nubian king 740 BC. invaded Egypt established his family.until 670 BC leaving on the arrival of the Assyrian invaders. Finally this site is about this idiot & the afro-centric panel & audience's absurd Greek desires for kinship. It malarkey as it seems you are.
@Boukephalos1 Dude blacks were in the East & in even in Europe long before there was a such thing as a white man aka European or Chinese. Africans were the 1st people on Earth. As far as Pianky then later Taharqa they came in to save Egypt from foreign invasions & to restore the land itself. Egyptians origins are from the South not Europe. Whites genetically & scientifically could not have survived in the hot desert sun they would have died out of skin cancer. Every scientist will tell U that
@HeruTutankhamun You are delusional and ignorant. Give up your ideological program and go with what the weight of the evidence shows. Good history is like basic science -- it's the evidence that matters. Bad history is identity politics and faith -- it's justifying a conclusion you already made up your mind about.
@sleepcity No your are delusional & ignorant due to the miseducation & bad programing that Western Education has done on you. Even BBC has reported that the Greeks got their number system from the Egyptians. Over the past 200 yrs it has been an agenda by many ppl of European descent to with hold the truth & corrupt history so they can put themselves on top. In reality they would have no history to speak of their own without Africa as Africa is the Mother of all humanity.
@Boukephalos1 the truth can't be remembered if its not being told. Truth is there was no foreign invasions into Egypt until the Hyksos invaded (circa 11th dynasty) & set up a kingdom in the Nile delta around the 15th dynasty. They were later expelled between 17th -18th Dynasty by Ahmose I. However the Hyksos were not even what we would consider today as being fully white they were Asiatics. The Egyptians aka Kemites were indeed what we would call today black not white not European not Caucasian
@Boukephalos1 The so called real world you claim is merely an illusion & since you have been raised as a child to believe in that illusion it has become your reality. There would be no Western Civilization without the achievements of Eastern Civilization. There is no sunset (which sets in the west) without the sunrise (which rises in the East). Africans know that many lies have been told to distort not only history but also the future. But time is running out as info. is quicker to access.
@Boukephalos1 R1B is about 18K yrs old. Well everyone knows that there were no modern white people around 18K yrs ago. White people did not come about until the last glacial ice age period when Africans who migrated up to Europe underwent a genetic mutation that caused their skin to turn white due to the lack of vitamin D and exposure to sun light. Everyone can trace their DNA lineage back to Africa as Africa is the birth place of humanity.
@HeruTutankhamun “iGENEA was able to reconstruct the Y-DNA profile of Tutankhamun, his father Akhenaten and his grandfather Amenhotep III ” iGENEA said, the “haplogroup R1b1a2 arose about 9.500 years ago in the surrounding area of the Black Sea.“The migration of this haplogroup into Europe started at the earliest with the spread of agriculture since 7.000 BC. It is very probable that it is also connected to the Indo Europeans who spread over Europe a little later in waves of migrations.”
@Boukephalos1 run by A swiss company selling analysis kits so anyone could trace their bloodlines. They also only released half of the DNA, and the methodology used by them has been raised as contentious by many scholars.
@mikejpete Early archaeologists lacked a tremendous solid data. Museum collections were full of objects whose cultural context was poorly understood, excavation consisted of little more than digging to collect more objects for museums and there were whole periods and regions for which no real data existed. It was still impossible for a single scholar of the early century to be intimately familiar with all the archaeological data available for the prehistory of Europe.
@mikejpete Now the quantity & the quality of the data are improving.Today, we ask questions that wouldn’t have occurred to archaeologists before. based on our better understanding of the societies that produced these remains and using techniques that were unimaginable even 20years ago. However you response of the DNA data relating to recent information does not hold up. Until you can prove your hypothesis it lacks merit or scholarship.
@Boukephalos1 Those results were a hoax. DNAtribescom a real genetic research facility has released the genetic background of the Amarna kings which includes Tut. They have come to find that his gene origin along with his family members is from Southern Africa and the tropic regions of Africa....not EUROPE! Hawass is no longer with the Egyptian antiquity division he has been fired....those lies are catching up!
@Boukephalos1 Those results were a hoax. DNAtribescom a real genetic research facility has released the genetic background of the Amarna kings which includes Tut. They have come to find that his gene origin along with his family members is from Southern Africa and the tropic regions of Africa....not EUROPE! Hawass is no longer with the Egyptian antiquity division he has been fired....those lies are catching up!
@alkebulan97 Look on the bright side now you can write to the Discovery Channel and complain to them or take UR dr pook-rum drink from his spew of nonsense.
She was tendentious and evidently aligned herself with John Henrik Clarke, that is obvious. However, Lefkowitz was not answering the question response effectively, so she had to be interrupted.
Now...I'mma Black man whoe whole-heartedly endorses the views of Dr. Clarke. Having stated that, I must say that even I'm kinda annoyed with the moderators clear bias during this debate.
@mooncooninc83 At least your honest. And Yes the moderator was biased. I am sorry you hold to clarke's views however because he is in correct and flawed. Finally as I have said I know the motives of bernal and clarke and the final checkmate information that destroys them is= The DNA of Greeks and Cretans is 95.5% Caucasian, less the .04% sub-saharan. Their discussion and theories are destroyed with that fact.
lmaoooooo.. I love him... Dr Clarke was a shit talker on top of being a scholar.... whoooo hoooo... boy oh boy do white folks hate educated blacks, or what they would call uppity.... I love this uppity negro!!!!!
You afrocentrics really require these myths, your lack of self worth so revealed by your race conscious effort to usurp a nationality as if it were yours, when you have no relationship at all with them. The problem you have is we would have to deny what has been written, what we see, what we know, we would have to wipe are minds clear to believe your myths, if this were 2000BC it may have worked but alas, Ur 3000 yrs to late to get away with UR myths. Thank God for that.
Afrocentrism is largely what in old Marxist days used to call false consciousness: a systematically mistaken view of reality which can be explained from the historical trajectory traversed, in recent centuries, by the collectivity (mainly African Americans, but also an increasing number of Africans) holding these views. The true value of Afrocentrism is zero, in other words Afrocentrism is entirely mythical
Simply this book was written, financed by skopjia, Fyrom, they are upset with Greece for vetoing their name change to Macedonia.They aren't Macedonia. Written to Diminish Greeks Historically by inferring blacks are inferior, and if Greeks are black, they must be inferior also. I am sure Clarke and afoul-centrists are to inconceivably dumb to realize it.. Afoul-centrists can't grasp the simple analogy that skojians are trying to present. Hilarious! Greeks did, & blacks didn't, UR not Greek.
@tw1704 my answers were right on the mark and my position doesn't have to be defended. You know all too well afrocentrism is an indefensible position of pure ideologued racism and is truly indefensible. But oh how you try and fail.
Ok so if you're saying that the Ancient Egyptians are not Black, then what did they look like? Describe them to me. And why did Herodotus and the other greeks describe the Ancient Egyptians as being *BLACK*. Broad nose, thick lips, and BURNT Skin, is how the Egyptians were described by outside people. Some of the greeks even wrote down that they had BLACK skin. Call me crazy, but thats a description of a Black person to me.
Herodotus only refers to the Ethiopians as burn-skinned. not the Egyptians. Greeks did not write done that Egyptians were black. They clearly saw a deference between Egyptians and Ethiopians knew they were different completely.
Recent DNA studies just revealed, for example, that any two Bushmen in their study who spoke different languages were more different genetically than a European compared to an Asian. That was true even if the Bushmen lived within walking distance of each other.
Same goes for Egypt( Caucasian) and Ethiopia(mixed) and Nubia (Black African). As for Greeks/Cretans they were not black their DNA reveals less then .04% sub-Saharan genomes far to low to be of any consequence.
Prove me wrong. The question you would have to ask yourself would clarke or bernal advance this theory if he didn't want you to believe the Greeks were black or that then vast white conspiracy was hiding it. hell no. That my friend is the definition of racists.
Narrator is killing the debate the bias is easily seen on her part and the audience is way too immature the jesters are not call for and are undermining the debate
However you cut it up, most of the people, and corporations in power are still very european looking and/or eurocentric minded. Most of the oppressed people of the world are of darker-skin and are more indigenous minded. Lefkowich probably doesn't even recognize black jews.
The sad thing about Leftkowich is that she does not see her role as an oppressor, and quite frankly that type of thinking is very dangerous/ when supported by the white dominant culture. Will she empower children of color?
honestly, I don't care if she is biased. 1 biased moderator. big deal. there are thousands of biased media personalities, writers, scholars over how many years? whatever. what was hidden will be revealed.
I am with you on that point. The moderator is bias, unfair and disdainful. I think she also gives more time to the Bernal side. Despite the fact that I am on the side of Bernal. i think a debate must be fair for it to be of any educational worth, this debate seems to be more emotional. Who are the audience, who claps for one and not the other- are they there to cheer or there to get ideas that they can go on and research. I am black but emotions have nothing to do with facts.
we all read that evil demonic zionist book, the white demon race is always telling us what to read as if we have not read them all,we started out really your fake ass books first until we were awaken !
i know she's a lesbian and he's a homo,but if they mate i bet there kids are the new nazi pure white demon seed,i have a friend who lives in argentina who says they got descendants of the nazi's who live in a segragated villiage,everyone is blond blue eyed, BEWARE they are gonna unleash KILL all people of couler iknow they have already tried but this one is gonna be a dusey !
Lefkowitz is Rachel Madoff's lesbian mother. And why do the Greeks themselves say that they got a lot of their shit from Egypt. Thats all the proof u need.
Why don't Afrocentrists ever talk about the Zulus, Kongo, Luba, Ashanti (where the actual modern slave trade occured), even Nubia for that matter etc... It seems that Afrocentrist don't even touch those cultures because they were backwards by WESTERN standards (ie. half naked, no monuments, form of Voodoo religious practices). It's reverse racism.
That is one reason.The other is that they rely on ancient GREEK sources for their research and ancient Greeks dont write anything about Zulus,Kongo,Luba etc
@Artemistech lmao who relied on greek for what i guess you never looked at greek history they looked to the Egyptians for knowledge of things they didnt have not the other way around go read better research then learn to comprehend and not white wash anything u read like most euro clowns do..show me where they wriet about europeans so much as aside to egyptians where is the text?there isnt any.greeks have sculptures and writings of egypt(kemt) and other parts of afrika u show me where europe is
right its 2 much kemit. but what makes you say they are backwards. why would they have clothes on in a tropical area? quit with this reverse racism nonsense.
europeans will never admit that africans civilized them
MultiCumming 1 month ago
@MultiCumming ...or anybody and everybody else.
djkaneck1 2 weeks ago
@djkaneck1 TRUE INDEED
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Biology
Half of European men share King Tut’s DNA: Swiss researchers
Up to 70 per cent of British men and half of all Western European men are related to the Egyptian Pharaoh Tutankhamun, geneticists in Switzerland have found.
Not Jews, and not blacks.
JeffnDenmark 2 months ago
@infox1000 Dr. Clark, and all people who identify with his race, and want to deny white racist stereotypes about their people, they should take Dr. Clarkes OWN advice here. "Don't get mad, get smart, prove me wrong!" How sad that his over reaching pseudo history and race baiting rhetoric fails in this very endeavor.
stickygumshoes 3 months ago
@infox1000 to foster MORE anger toward whites in general, inflaming Black racism which often ends in violence against whites. Rather than building self confidence and motivation in Black people, Dr. Clarks rhetoric is more likely to inflame a desire for vengence against the "white thieves". Blacks can be and are RACIST against white people. There is no greater power one can hold over another human being than that which can snuff out a persons LIFE! Black violence against whites proves that.
stickygumshoes 3 months ago
@infox1000 The problem is that Black people prefer to blame whites for all their problems, rather than themselves! Whites who tire of their attitude, anger and yes,black racist attitudes against white are then branded as oppressors, guilty of causing the problems of blacks and stealing that which rightfully belongs to the black man. OH REALLY! The more "intellectual" blacks such as Dr. Clark merely perpetuate this ridiculous ascertian and
his ridiculous ascertian only helps to . . .
stickygumshoes 3 months ago
@infox1000 compete w/the other world peoples and take their place with the rest, creating their own industry, inventions and exports. Why? If you want to change our perceptions, first change your own behavior. It cant all be racism. Whites aren't in love with Asians, yet we give them their due, we have to, they show their knowledge, abilities and civilizations abundantly. Why do we have to embrace Dr. Clarks obvious lies and overstatements as fact when we see so little corroboration elsewhere?
stickygumshoes 3 months ago
@infox1000 indeed it only reinforces racist stereotypes. WHY if blacks are the progenitors of civilization do the blacks in Africa languish in poverty? Why have no great nations arisen from that continent alone? Why do so many of the leaders of the African nations rob and impoverish their own people to agrandise themselves? White people SEE these things, what other opinon are we supposed to arrive at when we see a people whose culture, rich in music and dance though it is, cannot somehow
stickygumshoes 3 months ago
@infox1000 others from seeing blacks as their equal in Science, medicine and other rigourous disiplines. As soon as black people take their place at the leading edge of these careers and sciences, whites will start to change their minds about racist attitudes toward blacks in general. Blacks should SHUDDER at the behavior displayed by the blacks here, both Dr. Clark, the moderator AND the audience display base antagonistic childish behavior and do little to promote their cause.
stickygumshoes 3 months ago
@infox1000 Well thats great. White people could really care less what fantasies black people delude themselves with to get through the day. Black people would do better to look to their present, than try to appropriate the past of OTHERS Egyptians are not and for the most part were NEVER a black people. They enlarge their knowledge of how things work improve their minds and their prospects. It is the derth of black people in leading positions of Science and knowledge which prevent . . .
stickygumshoes 3 months ago
@infox1000 If you want to know how the true Egyptians view Black claims on THEIR culture you would do well to look them up! I do NOT view Egypt as a Black civilization. IF you have an empire that IS black and has been overlooked I would be the first to defend your right to pride. So far, I have seen none. That is not the fault of white people or any other race.
stickygumshoes 3 months ago
@infox1000 Not important whether you agree or not, a serious debate is a place for evidentiary enlightenment, not for petty emotional arrogant outbursts. Dr. Clark embarrassed himself before all non-black viewers of this debate. The way he comported himself shows genuine immaturity, a behaviour which is unsuitable for one who seeks to be a spokesman for his people. If you want Whites and other races to respect your position, you'd best put forth a spokesman that speaks well and true. He FAILS.
stickygumshoes 3 months ago
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stickygumshoes 3 months ago
@infox1000 "Africans never civilized whites" you bet they didn't. I've NO problem with Blacks learning more about their lost history. BUT I take extreme exception here at the attitude of "Dr. Clark" he does NOT show proper academic emotional distance in this field of study. The phrase, "butt kissers" should NEVER come up in debates of this kind. The tone of his comments show that he is partisan to say the least, and a race baiter to put it more bluntly. What a poor spokesman he is for blacks.
stickygumshoes 3 months ago
the negroid mediator is PATHETIC!!!... a Baboon bitch, incredibly mindless and completely getting in the way with her Hostility.
moigranespiritu12 3 months ago
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@moigranespiritu12 Yes, later on in the series she has a tiff with the White man opposing her precious Dr. Clark. Her arrogance exposed her ignorance! LOL! Even I could discern what those words MIGHT mean, Melan Chroas not sure if that is how its spelled, but Melan perhaps = melanin- dark pigment? Chroas = chroma or color. IF she REALLY knew Greek SHE WOULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT THAT MEANS! Mine is just an educated guess, she knows NOTHING.
stickygumshoes 3 months ago
@moigranespiritu12 He should have called her out further. I bet the woman at his side had some knowledge of German they should have torn her down to size. She interrupts them all the time! Obnoxious, unprofessional behavior. Dr. Clark is a preening narcissist idiot. Pathetic, the whole lot!
stickygumshoes 3 months ago
How many books can you cite in this Nubian language? What great literature have they produced in this Nubian written script? If you think people are ignorant of the truth, its because we are not exposed to any great African cultures. I am not racist though you may disagree. Why is it that if Africans civilized the Whites, why did the African receed into a state which can only be regarded as backward? Why?
stickygumshoes 3 months ago
@infox1000 Sure they did. So . . . they had no written language of their own? No mother tongue in which they created their OWN written language? The fact that they wrote in the language of another people suggests that they were colonized or educated BY them. Please let me know which tribes had their OWN written language and histories.
stickygumshoes 3 months ago
@infox1000 According to my sources the Tarikh al-Sudan was written in Arabic and not in any Sudanese or Nubian language. So, the question remains, is it their written record? Or is it a record written about them by others. This leads us back the ascertian that THEY made no history (records) of their exploits. The fact their history is in the language of another people does NOT bolster your argument here.
stickygumshoes 3 months ago
@infox1000 He said the MADE NO HISTORY as in records. Truth!
stickygumshoes 3 months ago
@infox1000 Clarke's white teacher might not have been particularly cool in putting it to him like that. But he wasn't exactly incorrect. The fact is, blacks had a much narrower, static tribal history. They remain unchanged for millenia. Plus having no writing, anything they DID do wasn't documented by them. African blacks simply weren't major players in the ancient world of trade and commerce. They were extremely primitive relative to other peoples. Modern history books confirm this.
takfam07 3 months ago
@infox1000 But Clarke wasn't hearing "racist lies." He was hearing actual history. Blacks weren't part of it--they were preliterate pastoral tribespeople, sideliners in the Hebrew drama. But Clarke didn't like it, so he started creating an alternative, myth-based history which included blacks. Which is fine. No one said blacks MUST abide by empirical truth, when indeed their culture was never based on it. And any "African" personage of note was basically North African--i.e., Caucasian.
takfam07 3 months ago
OK, 4:05 is where it ends. Lefkowitz asks Bernal to cite SPECIFIC EXAMPLES of Egyptian thought influencing Greek philosophy.
Bernal's answer, in a nutshell: "Well, I must confess we have no direct evidence. However, because Egyptian civilization preceded Greece, and because there certainly must've been contact between the two cultures due to their proximity, the burden of proof shouldn't be on me--it should be on my critics to DISPROVE a connection, which surely must be there." FRAUD!!
takfam07 3 months ago
Clarke makes clear that he's not searching for objective truth. He's looking to restore the dignity of his people by re-inserting them in history. He said he was affronted that the Bible didn't mention "his" people. So fucking what? It doesn't mentioned East Asians either, but they couldn't care less. They're MAKING history RIGHT NOW. We all know blacks don't have a civilized history. But instead of working hard to CREATE their history--they embrace the delusion of "Afrocentrism" instead.
takfam07 3 months ago
@sajahamza Your man Clarke draws my ire, mainly for his unjustified arrogance, for that alone he has well earned my derision.
stickygumshoes 3 months ago
Y is Dr. Clark congratulating himself for reading a book like THAT at the age of 18 years old? Eighteen yrs is NOT an age at which we should be impressed that one is reading sophisticated educational material! Likewise I am amazed at his self congratulatory speech as to when he started reading in general. This is a man who has deluded himself into believing that his education and knowledge of these matters is exceptional. Amongst all on this panel, he is the one who displays the least intellect.
stickygumshoes 3 months ago
@stickygumshoes are you stupid or what? when we was that age there black were not allow to study or read. so yes at that time it was impressive to be read. Please learn history/
ajahamza 3 months ago
Oh and -- as if this needs to be said -- the moderator is a pathetic, childish woman who doesn't even TRY to do what a moderator is supposed to do: provide balance, challenge all sides, and encourage the dialogue with at least an air of objectivity. She's rude, arrogant, and so obviously biased that it's shameful. The crowd is pretty unbelievable too -- hooting and hollering when they agree with something, yelling things out, etc. Ugh. Yes, objectivity is hard, but it needs to be aspired to.
sleepcity 3 months ago
Clarke was a demagogue and a preacher of Afrocentrist dogma, not a historian, not a scholar. He was an eighth-grade dropout who never earned a college degree (unless you count a "doctorate" from a non-accredited college at the age of 78). He was embarrassing, disingenuous, and utterly uninterested in what the weight of the historical evidence shows. His constant jokes and rude remarks only succeed in communicating how intellectually insecure the man was. He'd should've been a preacher.
sleepcity 3 months ago
This is the most pathetic display of biased I have ever seen in my life. Ad hominem
longof99 3 months ago
"the new negro (book)"
peace to puerto rico and africa.
" don't get mad, prove me wrong"
powerful.
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I know there is an overwhelming desire to to be something historic in most people but in doing so you reach for a false conclusion all you do is make yourself the fool.
Boukephalos1 4 months ago 2
@Boukephalos1 If you haven't noticed, Egyptians are black. Black as in they have dark skin, and black as in EGYPT IS IN AFRICA. And if the rest of what I said was crap then what's the significance of having blue eyes? it's just the way your DNA controls the number of certain proteins in your irises that make your eye color; having blue eyes doesn't really affect your eyesight therefore it's a superficial characteristic.
Schiznie 5 months ago
This is not a debate on whether anyone was black or white. This is a Debate on whether Grecian Culture was influenced by African Culture. If Tut was not 'black', wouldn't that mean that the Egyptian and European Cultures interacted on some level? And also keep in mind that what we know as African and European today was not the same at that time. Over time superficial characteristics like skin color has changed. There are minute DNA differences that dictate those characteristics.
Schiznie 5 months ago
@Schiznie But it is. You see black Athena is predicated on Egyptians being black and that's not true. the rest is bullashiite also. And IT IS.
Boukephalos1 5 months ago
The truth is never trite. We see you just appreciate carnies and snake charmers. What with the recemt IGENA results of King Tut the black Athena and black Tut myths are over.
Boukephalos1 6 months ago
Dr Clarke is the best, I could listen to him destroy europeon history all day. Listening to most europeons on history is always banal.
BashuUp 6 months ago
Moderator is an ignorant idiot.
Mgeorga 6 months ago
How did Clarke get a doctrine if he never had a high school degree?
rb7magnetico 7 months ago
dr clarke was killing them left an right
B7acKLioN 8 months ago
@B7acKLioN Clark is an ignorant racist
Mgeorga 6 months ago
Mary Lefkowitz never went to KEMET case closed. Thanks Dr. Clarke prove him wrong like he said.
bigmikemag 9 months ago
Clarke reveals his blatant racism... the last branch of humanity? last to enter the arena of civilization? and he challenges, "prove me wrong." Well, that is easy to do. In a word: VINCA.
BarrosSerrano 9 months ago
@BarrosSerrano
LOL, maybe Clarke never studied early European civilization?
HuckMeHard 8 months ago
Lefkowitz is example someone moveing there mouth and saying noting.
laryon 10 months ago
For real white people always do come with the same ol' National Geographic history.LOLNo,they weren't black...they were mulatto....lol.they look Arabic..lol
MedinazAiR 11 months ago
2bad the wester
MrRobyopunkass 1 year ago
a shame w
MrRobyopunkass 1 year ago
The greeks wer not black they wer mixed mulottos and not at all cucazoids or germanic savages. EuroPeons r so arragant just yesterday they said the world was flat while africans knew better lol
MrRobyopunkass 1 year ago
Biased? Bias is one thing but taking sides by skin color and by who makes blacks look good as opposed to bad has quite another term for it. I don't know Clarke other than this but I'd bet money he likes Farrakhan. This conceit about what is an "African" culture denies the fact that the land bridge to Gaza makes Egypt far closer to the Near East than sub-Saharan Africa and hiding behind the technicality of Egypt being on "the continent" is absurd given distance, the Sahara and Nile bottleneck.
Amunkriket 1 year ago
@Amunkriket You would lose money here as you make an assumption. Clarke does not like Minister Farrakhan or the Nation of Islam. Black people are not monolithic. Egypt is next to the Sudan with the Nile river connecting Egypt, Sudan, Uganda and Ethiopia. How is there a great distance between Egypt and the nations of the South when this waterway connected the region from ancient times? You are obviously trying too hard to deny truth and you should just stop.
brianfarris12 1 year ago
@Amunkriket Ignorance is bliss huh?
MedinazAiR 11 months ago
Celts of Iberia and Hibernia gathered their spirituality and celestial knowledge from the Kanaanites/Pheonicians who established trading and mining centers in the present-day United Kingdom, Portugal and Spain respectively.
dontdreadonme 1 year ago
Its funny how you all continue to visit these videos. If its so incorrect, you should be able to give many sources as well as your own evidence to disprove Dr. Clarke. Yall seem to respond with a lot of anger and hate. I've attempted to check sources from some of you and i come up with nothing. Stop doing this to yourselves.
tw1704 1 year ago
@tw1704 Clarke is clearly not a man of reason but a bigot and a racist. Trust in skin color doesn't allow you to see this but if I had this man as a mentor I'd be in deep doo doo.
Amunkriket 1 year ago
The audience is dumb as a brick, They would have been more happy on a Jerry Springer shown than on a scholarly talk.
EsaulRuss 1 year ago
@EsaulRuss You made a complete fool of yourself with that statement as if the audiences are not mostly white.
zjones1222 1 year ago
OK, lets forget about Greeks and Romans and Egypt. There was a civilization called "Trypilian" in the area where Bolgaria, Western Hungary and central and Western Ukraine. That Trypilian culture was advanced and on the same level as Mesopotamian Civilization and existed there as far as 5000 BC. So what connection does Africa has to that culture? Trypilians were of European stock. What can dr. Clark say about that?
EsaulRuss 1 year ago
You Afro-centrics are brainwashed FOOLS. The vast majority of the Greeks were white, and the vast majority of Egyptians were BROWN, and NOT black, until the Nubian invasion, which occured LATE in B.C. history. Tut's recent DNA tests are laughing at you, along with the NUMEROUS pre human fossils that are being found all around the world, blowing your "Out of Africa" LUNACY away. You Afro-centrics are LIARS and thieves !
EducatedRebellion101 1 year ago
@EducatedRebellion101 The definition of brown is of or related to black
teaguetamar821 1 year ago
@EducatedRebellion101 @ Educated, First of all no one is claiming that the greeks were Black. Personally i wouldn't want to be associated with there decadence. What is being said is Greeks got their knowledge from the Ancient Egyptians who were BLACK!
mrfreaknasssty 10 months ago
The fathers of Greek philosophy were not even Greeks. Do the research and you will see that all of them Anaximander, PYTHAGORAS and the rest of them were IONIANS WHICH IS LOCATED IN ASIA MINOR WHICH WAS A COLONY OF EGYPT, THIS CAN BE VERIFIED BY THE TOMB OF RAMSES II. IN 6TH CENTURY B.C. EGYPT WAS A OLD AND VERY OLD CIVILIZATION. HOW CAN THE GREEKS BE FATHERS OF PHILOSOPHY, YOU NEED PEACE FOR THAT. THE GREEKS WERE UP TO THEIR NECKS IN WARS DURING THAT WHOLE PERIOD.
Alara0625 1 year ago
I have been reading the comments here written by some of the Black youth's
I am almost 60 years of age, and i have to say you are making me proud. You are exercising critical thought in regards to the white devil.
Hotep
ruapraia 1 year ago 2
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Let me let U in on a little secret about this site & .about other 2 Black Athena sites It was set up to put forth the absurd theory Greeks were Black,by fyromians. They call themselves Macedonians but aren't only Greeks are Macedonians. So to degrade Greeks they had a falsified DNA & financed the author of this book. it wasn't done to exalt blacks but degrade Greeks by saying they were black and african. Now blacks ran with absurd theory not realizing it degrades them.
Boukephalos1 1 year ago 3
Does any other black person besides myself find it bewildering - when white people actually pretend as if their "scholarship" is unbiased, fair and throughly researched without any intent to elevate themselves above every other race. How can the same people who gave us jim crowe, one drop rule, race-based slavery, aparthied, holocaust, separate water fountains want people to believe that their "scholarship" colorblind?
TheBlackRite 1 year ago
@TheBlackRite we are dealing with a beast. The white man is the worst thing to ever happen to this planet. They are arrogant in everything that they do. They have stolen everything from every damn body and I do not believe you can find any good in any of them. Crackas are something else and we need to separate from these devils. They claim they are from God but not one of these beasts have ever performed a Godly deed
shiest13 1 year ago
@shiest13
The kkkracker is not arrogant. The cracker is INSECURE and AFRAID of his impending genetic annihilation. The ostensible hubris and white "superiority" complex is nothing but a mask for his own racial/genetic self-doubt. The peckerwood/vampire knows they are incompatible with NATURE. They are an unnatural, abnormal abberant, vile virus in stark contrast to the people with melanin i.e. the NATURAL races.
TheBlackRite 1 year ago
@TheBlackRite I couldn't have said it better lol
shiest13 1 year ago
The Zionist have made a business out of disinformation and destroyed History to promote their falsehoods and lies over the pass 200 Years, all the books they have written should be dumped.
maria610421 1 year ago
No biased moderator can beat the truth.
tw1704 1 year ago
Dr. Clarke speaks the true history that all Americans should have learned in high school and college.
rusrus69 1 year ago
if it's not obvoius the moderator has it out for the white folks...then ur blinded by ur racist presuppositions
veritaslogos 1 year ago
@veritaslogos one thing is for sure this was edited by the person who put this debate on U-Tube. There are no closing arguments for Leftkowitz and Rogers, edited out. It reveals whoever placed this here edited more of what they said.
Boukephalos1 1 year ago 4
That with clarkes incredible unintelligible bias rants and a moderator who claims to be of scholarship in everything but uses the old standby when quizzed on her knowledge" I will leave that up to scholars', well madam these are the scholars Rogers and Leftkowitz, not clarke and bernal.
Boukephalos1 1 year ago 6
@Boukephalos1 actually Clarke has done more researchi n these areas more than Lefokowitz and Rogers, just because he doesn't speak in academic language doesn't mean he's unintellgient. two, the moderator is one of the few poeople that are actually critical of Leftkowitz and Rogers which mainstream academics were not
XuanDi 1 year ago
@XuanDi Oh pulease he's an idiot, self-proclaimed preacher not an academic.
Boukephalos1 1 year ago 2
@Boukephalos1 Actually he gets to what the issue is truly about, whihc is EGypt's African identity and he caught rogers in a big mistake, and it is a common misconception that Mesopotamia precedes Egypt in civilization even though EGyptian chronogloy is overly compressed and the fact the humanity starts in Africa
XuanDi 1 year ago
@XuanDi Mesopotamia re-organized circa 4500 BCE.
Nile Delta cities arose around year One of their calendar, circa 4200 BCE... Rogers was right.
Boukephalos1 1 year ago
@Boukephalos1 actually mesopotamia didn't have a centralised state till around 3400-3380 BCE and the egyptians have the older claendar at 4236 BCE and agriculture, animal domestication, and pottery was in the Sudan before anywhere else (9000 BCE) and the first form of writing as shown by the King Scorpion finds and Qustul findings show that Nubia's is older
XuanDi 1 year ago
@XuanDi 4200 BC - We refer to the city-based cultures that developed in Mesopotamia. Egypt didn't even have a written language at that time. These were characterized (among other things) by complex division of labor; a hierarchy of governance that extended out beyond the city itself. Sudan doesn't qualify. hell they have just found the same in the Balkans dating 9000 BC. They don't qualify either. You see my facts are better then yours.You're wrong.
Boukephalos1 1 year ago 3
@Boukephalos1 but ur facts are wrong. (1) the scorpion site predates cunieform script of the Sumerians, and could've have been used much earlier. SUDAN DOES COUNT because thats where Egytian civilziation emerged. Pottery cam eout of the Sudan and spread to other regions and obviously Anatolia was one of them and they actually have it at 7000 BCE. I reccomend u read "Introduction to African civilizations" by Christopher Ehret. who were your sources, I'd like to read them?
XuanDi 1 year ago
@Boukephalos1
Where are the monuments in Mesopotamia, where is the development and how do you trace the development. In Africa you see nothing but development. It was the Africans that went in to Mesopotamia and built those monuments. In the Bible it says that Nimrod the son of HAM founded those Mesopotamian Cities.
Alara0625 1 year ago
@Boukephalos1
NOTICE WHAT YOU SAID MY FRIEND. YOU SAID THE NILE DELTA WHICH IS LOWER EGYPT. IN UPPER EGYPT THERE WERE OPULENT CITIES. REMEMBER THE DELTA WAS NOTHING BUT A SEA AND THIS IS WHY MENES IS KNOWN AS THE EMBANKER BECAUSE HE EMBANKED THE SEA AND BUILT THE CITY OF MEMPHIS. RESEARCH THE OLD CHRONICLE AND THE THINITE DYNASTIES. THE SHIT GOES BACK 36,000 YEARS.
Alara0625 1 year ago
@Alara0625 Anti-psychotics are really a must for you.
Boukephalos1 1 year ago 4
@Boukephalos1
READ SOME REAL BOOKS AND STOP LISTENING TO WHAT PEOPLE TELL YOU
Alara0625 1 year ago
@Boukephalos1 Exactly, Clarks and moderator lady's behavior can be compared to preaching in a black babtist church. Not a scholarly way. I understand that blacks want recognition, but saying that Greeks were black , forgive me, simply stupid and ignorant.
EsaulRuss 1 year ago
@Boukephalos1 all are scholars but rogers and leftkowitz are merely student s of the master teacher Dr. Clarke, they are not on his level, period. No rants just proof, whites cant debate truth, they just talk of various topics to aviod the questions. You notice that very few white scholars ever want to debate black scholars such as Dr Clarke, Dr Ben, Dr. Sertima, Dr Pookrum, Dr. Jackson. Please next time dont leave a comment your too weak
alkebulan97 7 months ago
@alkebulan97 That's pretty funny kid. What are trying to do top your parents? clarke doesn't even have a high school degree. Look you just lost the argument that Egyptians were black on the Discovery Channel. DNA. So if Greeks came from africa and they didn't, they would have been WHITE. Notice this poster of the debate didn't leave the closing statements of Rodgers and Leftkowitz. It' s called FEAR. The TRUTH is always easier to REMEMBER. Here is the discovery channel review next. Enjoy!.
Boukephalos1 7 months ago 4
@alkebulan97 Despite the refusal of the Sec General of the Egyptian Supreme Council of Antiquities, Zahi Hawass, to release any DNA results which might indicate the racial ancestry of Pharaoh Tutankhamen, the leaked results reveal that King Tut’s DNA is a 99.6 percent match w/Western European Y chromosomes.The DNA test results were revealed on a Discovery Channel TV documentary filmed with Hawass’s permission the Egyptian failed to spot part of the documentary which revealed the test results.
Boukephalos1 7 months ago 5
@Boukephalos1 Egyptians were Africans. DNA from modern Egyptian males especially in the South are of haplogroup E-YDNA which is East African in origin. The official DNA of King Tut has yet to be released that haplogroup R1B was incorrectly released by a scientist who was watching the show & assumed that was his DNA. Even then R1B is well known in Central East Africa. Even Diodorus knew that the Egyptians were a colony sent out by the Ethiopians. To understand Egypt one must study all of Africa.
HeruTutankhamun 5 months ago
@HeruTutankhamun Now you know that isn't true iGENEA gave you the information. End of story.
Boukephalos1 5 months ago
@Boukephalos1 "In the year 2009 extended DNA-tests had been carried out with the mummy of Tutankamun and other members for his family. These have only partially been published in February 2010. Despite several demands, the results of the Y-DNA tests have been shut away" This was taken right of iGENEA. Basically they are hiding the truth and giving off false info. And they never revealed is mtDNA. His grandmother was Queen Tiye who was of Nubian descent so his father had to be an African.
HeruTutankhamun 5 months ago
@Boukephalos1 iGENEA was not even the ones who conducted the original DNA examination of Tut to begin with. They are basically assuming what it could have based upon their own opinions and not facts. And R1b possible origin is West Asian not European in origin. And R1b1a is commonly found in Sub Sahara Africa ie Cameroon. Which means any lineage of R1b1a either a1 or a2 would have mutated from R1b1a. R1b1a2 is still undefined as far as its origins according to wikipedia...cont
HeruTutankhamun 5 months ago
@HeruTutankhamun "according to wikipedia...cont" you cite wiki, as a source?
Please!
Boukephalos1 5 months ago
@Boukephalos1 Its a cite that was created & monitored by your own white brothers! Its an online Encyclopedia with protected articles & they also cite their references down at the page. One of the sources is the International Society of Genetic Genealogy. But I guess that you are the type that if 1 white person tells the truth you will become part of the 100 white ppl that try to refute that person but if 100 white ppl tell a lie you will be part of the 1000's that promote that lie as a fact.
HeruTutankhamun 5 months ago
@HeruTutankhamun Any connection between your reality and the real world is purely coincidental.
Boukephalos1 5 months ago
@Boukephalos1 The so called real world you claim is merely an illusion & since you have been raised as a child to believe in that illusion it has become your reality. There would be no Western Civilization without the achievements of Eastern Civilization. There is no sunset (which sets in the west) without the sunrise (which rises in the East). Africans know that many lies have been told to distort not only history but also the future. But time is running out as info. is quicker to access.
HeruTutankhamun 5 months ago
@HeruTutankhamun Great civilzations came from the east, but the east wasn't black, so get on to something that matters like the truth. Remember, the Truth is always easier to Remember. I would suggest you change your name. To Piye the Nubian king 740 BC. invaded Egypt established his family.until 670 BC leaving on the arrival of the Assyrian invaders. Finally this site is about this idiot & the afro-centric panel & audience's absurd Greek desires for kinship. It malarkey as it seems you are.
Boukephalos1 5 months ago
@Boukephalos1 Dude blacks were in the East & in even in Europe long before there was a such thing as a white man aka European or Chinese. Africans were the 1st people on Earth. As far as Pianky then later Taharqa they came in to save Egypt from foreign invasions & to restore the land itself. Egyptians origins are from the South not Europe. Whites genetically & scientifically could not have survived in the hot desert sun they would have died out of skin cancer. Every scientist will tell U that
HeruTutankhamun 5 months ago
@HeruTutankhamun NO!
Boukephalos1 5 months ago
@HeruTutankhamun You are delusional and ignorant. Give up your ideological program and go with what the weight of the evidence shows. Good history is like basic science -- it's the evidence that matters. Bad history is identity politics and faith -- it's justifying a conclusion you already made up your mind about.
sleepcity 3 months ago
@sleepcity No your are delusional & ignorant due to the miseducation & bad programing that Western Education has done on you. Even BBC has reported that the Greeks got their number system from the Egyptians. Over the past 200 yrs it has been an agenda by many ppl of European descent to with hold the truth & corrupt history so they can put themselves on top. In reality they would have no history to speak of their own without Africa as Africa is the Mother of all humanity.
HeruTutankhamun 3 months ago
@Boukephalos1 the truth can't be remembered if its not being told. Truth is there was no foreign invasions into Egypt until the Hyksos invaded (circa 11th dynasty) & set up a kingdom in the Nile delta around the 15th dynasty. They were later expelled between 17th -18th Dynasty by Ahmose I. However the Hyksos were not even what we would consider today as being fully white they were Asiatics. The Egyptians aka Kemites were indeed what we would call today black not white not European not Caucasian
HeruTutankhamun 5 months ago
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@Boukephalos1 The so called real world you claim is merely an illusion & since you have been raised as a child to believe in that illusion it has become your reality. There would be no Western Civilization without the achievements of Eastern Civilization. There is no sunset (which sets in the west) without the sunrise (which rises in the East). Africans know that many lies have been told to distort not only history but also the future. But time is running out as info. is quicker to access.
HeruTutankhamun 5 months ago
@Boukephalos1 R1B is about 18K yrs old. Well everyone knows that there were no modern white people around 18K yrs ago. White people did not come about until the last glacial ice age period when Africans who migrated up to Europe underwent a genetic mutation that caused their skin to turn white due to the lack of vitamin D and exposure to sun light. Everyone can trace their DNA lineage back to Africa as Africa is the birth place of humanity.
HeruTutankhamun 5 months ago
@HeruTutankhamun “iGENEA was able to reconstruct the Y-DNA profile of Tutankhamun, his father Akhenaten and his grandfather Amenhotep III ” iGENEA said, the “haplogroup R1b1a2 arose about 9.500 years ago in the surrounding area of the Black Sea.“The migration of this haplogroup into Europe started at the earliest with the spread of agriculture since 7.000 BC. It is very probable that it is also connected to the Indo Europeans who spread over Europe a little later in waves of migrations.”
Boukephalos1 5 months ago
@Boukephalos1 run by A swiss company selling analysis kits so anyone could trace their bloodlines. They also only released half of the DNA, and the methodology used by them has been raised as contentious by many scholars.
mikejpete 4 months ago
@mikejpete Early archaeologists lacked a tremendous solid data. Museum collections were full of objects whose cultural context was poorly understood, excavation consisted of little more than digging to collect more objects for museums and there were whole periods and regions for which no real data existed. It was still impossible for a single scholar of the early century to be intimately familiar with all the archaeological data available for the prehistory of Europe.
Boukephalos1 4 months ago 2
@mikejpete Now the quantity & the quality of the data are improving.Today, we ask questions that wouldn’t have occurred to archaeologists before. based on our better understanding of the societies that produced these remains and using techniques that were unimaginable even 20years ago. However you response of the DNA data relating to recent information does not hold up. Until you can prove your hypothesis it lacks merit or scholarship.
Boukephalos1 4 months ago 2
@Boukephalos1 Those results were a hoax. DNAtribescom a real genetic research facility has released the genetic background of the Amarna kings which includes Tut. They have come to find that his gene origin along with his family members is from Southern Africa and the tropic regions of Africa....not EUROPE! Hawass is no longer with the Egyptian antiquity division he has been fired....those lies are catching up!
HeruTutankhamun 1 month ago
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@Boukephalos1 Those results were a hoax. DNAtribescom a real genetic research facility has released the genetic background of the Amarna kings which includes Tut. They have come to find that his gene origin along with his family members is from Southern Africa and the tropic regions of Africa....not EUROPE! Hawass is no longer with the Egyptian antiquity division he has been fired....those lies are catching up!
HeruTutankhamun 1 month ago
@alkebulan97 Look on the bright side now you can write to the Discovery Channel and complain to them or take UR dr pook-rum drink from his spew of nonsense.
Bet you wish you hadn't written to me NOW.
Boukephalos1 7 months ago 4
Isnt a moderator supposed to be unbiased?
hannityforpres 2 years ago
give an example.
tw1704 2 years ago
@tw1704 Oh, please. Just watch the video. Constantly attacking Lefkowitz, and her attitude when speaking to her.
hannityforpres 2 years ago
I think the moderator asked some fair questions.
tw1704 2 years ago
@tw1704 Some fair questions, sure. But still, its obvious that she was Very biased against Lefkowitz.
hannityforpres 2 years ago
@hannityforpres Interesting Screen name.
SpeakerChrisARnett 1 year ago
She was tendentious and evidently aligned herself with John Henrik Clarke, that is obvious. However, Lefkowitz was not answering the question response effectively, so she had to be interrupted.
minilik99 1 year ago
@hannityforpres Yeah she's completely biased which is annoying.
Xenda 1 year ago
Thanks for posting.
ave383 2 years ago
she is a reptile...
hollyhung 2 years ago
Now...I'mma Black man whoe whole-heartedly endorses the views of Dr. Clarke. Having stated that, I must say that even I'm kinda annoyed with the moderators clear bias during this debate.
mooncooninc83 2 years ago
@mooncooninc83 thats because your a uncle tom
xSYNDICATEDx 2 years ago
Wash off your hate... :o)
mooncooninc83 2 years ago
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@mooncooninc83 At least your honest. And Yes the moderator was biased. I am sorry you hold to clarke's views however because he is in correct and flawed. Finally as I have said I know the motives of bernal and clarke and the final checkmate information that destroys them is= The DNA of Greeks and Cretans is 95.5% Caucasian, less the .04% sub-saharan. Their discussion and theories are destroyed with that fact.
Boukephalos1 2 years ago
lmaoooooo.. I love him... Dr Clarke was a shit talker on top of being a scholar.... whoooo hoooo... boy oh boy do white folks hate educated blacks, or what they would call uppity.... I love this uppity negro!!!!!
ReneeArnold 2 years ago 2
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You afrocentrics really require these myths, your lack of self worth so revealed by your race conscious effort to usurp a nationality as if it were yours, when you have no relationship at all with them. The problem you have is we would have to deny what has been written, what we see, what we know, we would have to wipe are minds clear to believe your myths, if this were 2000BC it may have worked but alas, Ur 3000 yrs to late to get away with UR myths. Thank God for that.
Boukephalos1 2 years ago
@Boukephalos1 you be a white-boy
kemetkush 1 year ago
@Boukephalos1 greeks was not white the was mediteranean, even today they are tan people haaha.
90rashad 11 months ago
@90rashad I'm busy now. Can I ignore you some other time?
Boukephalos1 11 months ago
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Afrocentrism is largely what in old Marxist days used to call false consciousness: a systematically mistaken view of reality which can be explained from the historical trajectory traversed, in recent centuries, by the collectivity (mainly African Americans, but also an increasing number of Africans) holding these views. The true value of Afrocentrism is zero, in other words Afrocentrism is entirely mythical
SO NO GREEKS WERE NOT AFRICAN OR BLACK.
Boukephalos1 2 years ago
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Simply this book was written, financed by skopjia, Fyrom, they are upset with Greece for vetoing their name change to Macedonia.They aren't Macedonia. Written to Diminish Greeks Historically by inferring blacks are inferior, and if Greeks are black, they must be inferior also. I am sure Clarke and afoul-centrists are to inconceivably dumb to realize it.. Afoul-centrists can't grasp the simple analogy that skojians are trying to present. Hilarious! Greeks did, & blacks didn't, UR not Greek.
Boukephalos1 2 years ago
There is a connection between Ancient Egyptians and black Africans. They both were in the continent of Africa but that's it.
Boukephalos1 2 years ago
Can you answer my question?
tw1704 2 years ago
Your answers make it obvious that you cannot defend your position.
tw1704 2 years ago
@tw1704 my answers were right on the mark and my position doesn't have to be defended. You know all too well afrocentrism is an indefensible position of pure ideologued racism and is truly indefensible. But oh how you try and fail.
Boukephalos1 2 years ago
Im no afro-centrist. I just check various sources and use common since.
tw1704 2 years ago
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Boukephalos1 2 years ago
Ok so if you're saying that the Ancient Egyptians are not Black, then what did they look like? Describe them to me. And why did Herodotus and the other greeks describe the Ancient Egyptians as being *BLACK*. Broad nose, thick lips, and BURNT Skin, is how the Egyptians were described by outside people. Some of the greeks even wrote down that they had BLACK skin. Call me crazy, but thats a description of a Black person to me.
mrfreaknasssty 2 years ago
Herodotus only refers to the Ethiopians as burn-skinned. not the Egyptians. Greeks did not write done that Egyptians were black. They clearly saw a deference between Egyptians and Ethiopians knew they were different completely.
Boukephalos1 2 years ago
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Recent DNA studies just revealed, for example, that any two Bushmen in their study who spoke different languages were more different genetically than a European compared to an Asian. That was true even if the Bushmen lived within walking distance of each other.
Same goes for Egypt( Caucasian) and Ethiopia(mixed) and Nubia (Black African). As for Greeks/Cretans they were not black their DNA reveals less then .04% sub-Saharan genomes far to low to be of any consequence.
Boukephalos1 2 years ago
@Boukephalos1 your a moron and a fool
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Prove me wrong. The question you would have to ask yourself would clarke or bernal advance this theory if he didn't want you to believe the Greeks were black or that then vast white conspiracy was hiding it. hell no. That my friend is the definition of racists.
Boukephalos1 2 years ago
Narrator is killing the debate the bias is easily seen on her part and the audience is way too immature the jesters are not call for and are undermining the debate
wowwft205 2 years ago
However you cut it up, most of the people, and corporations in power are still very european looking and/or eurocentric minded. Most of the oppressed people of the world are of darker-skin and are more indigenous minded. Lefkowich probably doesn't even recognize black jews.
The sad thing about Leftkowich is that she does not see her role as an oppressor, and quite frankly that type of thinking is very dangerous/ when supported by the white dominant culture. Will she empower children of color?
tahzwalker 2 years ago
So far I like this debate except for the biased moderator and the audience. My folks can be too emotional at time.
nyiskillinme 2 years ago
honestly, I don't care if she is biased. 1 biased moderator. big deal. there are thousands of biased media personalities, writers, scholars over how many years? whatever. what was hidden will be revealed.
thesuperfe 2 years ago 11
I am with you on that point. The moderator is bias, unfair and disdainful. I think she also gives more time to the Bernal side. Despite the fact that I am on the side of Bernal. i think a debate must be fair for it to be of any educational worth, this debate seems to be more emotional. Who are the audience, who claps for one and not the other- are they there to cheer or there to get ideas that they can go on and research. I am black but emotions have nothing to do with facts.
oneki 2 years ago
agreed
NubiansRuledTheWorld 2 years ago
we all read that evil demonic zionist book, the white demon race is always telling us what to read as if we have not read them all,we started out really your fake ass books first until we were awaken !
theraisis 2 years ago 4
The worst moderator I have ever seen!! At least try to act unbiased!
BlogOvitch 2 years ago
i know she's a lesbian and he's a homo,but if they mate i bet there kids are the new nazi pure white demon seed,i have a friend who lives in argentina who says they got descendants of the nazi's who live in a segragated villiage,everyone is blond blue eyed, BEWARE they are gonna unleash KILL all people of couler iknow they have already tried but this one is gonna be a dusey !
theraisis 2 years ago
I just love these debates. It puts everything on the table.
Reseda1994 2 years ago 2
Lefkowitz is Rachel Madoff's lesbian mother. And why do the Greeks themselves say that they got a lot of their shit from Egypt. Thats all the proof u need.
Errordemn6 2 years ago
I suggest reading Not Out Of Africa by Lekowitz.She explanes very well why.
Artemistech 2 years ago
Why don't Afrocentrists ever talk about the Zulus, Kongo, Luba, Ashanti (where the actual modern slave trade occured), even Nubia for that matter etc... It seems that Afrocentrist don't even touch those cultures because they were backwards by WESTERN standards (ie. half naked, no monuments, form of Voodoo religious practices). It's reverse racism.
78wuz 2 years ago
That is one reason.The other is that they rely on ancient GREEK sources for their research and ancient Greeks dont write anything about Zulus,Kongo,Luba etc
Artemistech 2 years ago
@Artemistech lmao who relied on greek for what i guess you never looked at greek history they looked to the Egyptians for knowledge of things they didnt have not the other way around go read better research then learn to comprehend and not white wash anything u read like most euro clowns do..show me where they wriet about europeans so much as aside to egyptians where is the text?there isnt any.greeks have sculptures and writings of egypt(kemt) and other parts of afrika u show me where europe is
muffinman5323 2 years ago
right its 2 much kemit. but what makes you say they are backwards. why would they have clothes on in a tropical area? quit with this reverse racism nonsense.
Mr1700 2 years ago 3