I'm trying hard here not to contradict myself...to really say what I mean and mean what I say...here goes....I need to know that you guys have doubts, that you are confused sometimes by what you say, that you feel conflicted over the words you use to express meaning...that your thoughts and thinking are conflicted..that you actually have moments of realisation that U conflict with others..that U contradict U...I doubt myself all the time and I'm very confused about what is real, what is reality
Common sense ain't commom no more. UNbelievable, un-freakin'believable. I didn't know Clutch was an athiest! Like I'm really going to be convinced from a youth that uses big fancy words and attempts to have it all figured out. He sounds like a flea taunting a big ol semi truck! He'll be smashed onto the windshield. The one thing the Lord can not do is...HE can't make you love HIM back. "The fool has said there is no god", the Bible states. Well, we'll see about that!!
Finally, if reality does not change, then surely reality did not change before he was 16. Wondering about, specifically, (a) god reflects the values of the society that could lead one to think inevitably, versus believing in god(s), or even fairies, which surprise surprise are not understandable!! What is the name of that fallacy again, when you assume a common knowledge?
Common sense isn't always a reliable source of knowledge esp. to refect reality. It argues against both ndclark and Jack's. Reality is represented by sound varifiable logic. Not wishful thinking.
I can think of many example of when common sense failed me. Evidently what is common is also subjective, not a science, which is also against common sense, hehe. It is beyond anyone's capability to varify the tendecies of abolutely every one. Not from one's personal biases anyway, which what personal feelings are. Like you said, generalizations ARE very very convenient. Hey, maybe there's a god after all, and guess what, his name also starts with J!
Also, finding a dollar under your pillow doesn't validate the existence of fairies. He says it all in his video, we don't find a dollar, nor do we witness resurrection of the dead. Thus, it's perfectly understandable that some do not believe in a god too.
I hate it when theists pull the appeal to emotion, it's such a terrible argument and is so transparently false. I think we can forgive them because before trying to fool everyone else they have taken great pains to fool themselves.
my video to ndclark was intentionally simplistic. The reason for this is clear when people watch the video I am responding to and how he wanted to stay on a 'common language' type of level. With regards to ur vid...it'd be helpful if next time you clarify what this objective eternal reality is that you speak of. Is it your opinion that the earth being flat is a belief based upon 'temporary insignificant subjective emotions' as you called them? It doesnt seem to me that such is the case-peace man
And that means what... Those wonderful people of the spanish inquisition were christians. Is that a reason to judge all christians. Are you saying that all groups of people (if you could even say atheists are a united group) are to be judged by their worst members?
Maybe looking at the motiviation of people should be done before rash judgements are made, or would such rationality get in the way of a poor arguement sucha as the one you advance?
Im an athiest too, and you know what? i have to hold myself back every single night, otherwise id just be out there genociding people left right and centre. I wish i could believe in god but satan assures me he doesnt exist!!!
I always thought that Hammer Time was when you bludgeon small children with a hammer for Satan until I discovered God, then I realised that crucifixes were better weapons.
I watched Jack's video and was amazed that one of the reasons he gave was because he would see the stars and the moon every night, which I don't think is any form of proof at all. All the stars and moon show are the laws of nature in the cosmos. Anyway, great response. Short and straight to the point. Well said.
It seems to me that common sense should mean that it's common to most people, and that more people than not, believe God exists. Does that mean that because more people believe it, that it's true? Of course not. However, one cannot just dismiss the universal commonality in every society i've ever heard of, that God exists.
No, you cannot, but argument from popularity only gets you so far. The same applies for the definition of common sense. 'Common' is only one half, 'sense' is the other. For something to be common sense it must, by definition, by sensical. Unfortunately, I do not think belief in a deity falls under this category.
At least in the form that Jack is arguing it anyway. For the context of the video, that is all that matters.
The video was also to point out that common sense may not be the best epistemological method. It was once common sense to think the earth was flat. Contemporarily, our everyday common sense is completely oxymoronic to the fundamental findings of quantum physics, etc.
Common sense can quite easily be wrong. Cheap/common answers are for cheap/common thinkers.
The problem is some people use the 3Es about alot of things, so that's shown me that some if not alot of people just plain lack common sense.
dstewart28 1 year ago
I'm trying hard here not to contradict myself...to really say what I mean and mean what I say...here goes....I need to know that you guys have doubts, that you are confused sometimes by what you say, that you feel conflicted over the words you use to express meaning...that your thoughts and thinking are conflicted..that you actually have moments of realisation that U conflict with others..that U contradict U...I doubt myself all the time and I'm very confused about what is real, what is reality
Topenigma 3 years ago
Common sense ain't commom no more. UNbelievable, un-freakin'believable. I didn't know Clutch was an athiest! Like I'm really going to be convinced from a youth that uses big fancy words and attempts to have it all figured out. He sounds like a flea taunting a big ol semi truck! He'll be smashed onto the windshield. The one thing the Lord can not do is...HE can't make you love HIM back. "The fool has said there is no god", the Bible states. Well, we'll see about that!!
greekcreek 3 years ago
Finally, if reality does not change, then surely reality did not change before he was 16. Wondering about, specifically, (a) god reflects the values of the society that could lead one to think inevitably, versus believing in god(s), or even fairies, which surprise surprise are not understandable!! What is the name of that fallacy again, when you assume a common knowledge?
duckwhoislame 4 years ago
Common sense isn't always a reliable source of knowledge esp. to refect reality. It argues against both ndclark and Jack's. Reality is represented by sound varifiable logic. Not wishful thinking.
duckwhoislame 4 years ago
I can think of many example of when common sense failed me. Evidently what is common is also subjective, not a science, which is also against common sense, hehe. It is beyond anyone's capability to varify the tendecies of abolutely every one. Not from one's personal biases anyway, which what personal feelings are. Like you said, generalizations ARE very very convenient. Hey, maybe there's a god after all, and guess what, his name also starts with J!
duckwhoislame 4 years ago
Best response so far.
Also, finding a dollar under your pillow doesn't validate the existence of fairies. He says it all in his video, we don't find a dollar, nor do we witness resurrection of the dead. Thus, it's perfectly understandable that some do not believe in a god too.
duckwhoislame 4 years ago
Well put Clutchology!
rlepine 4 years ago
I hate it when theists pull the appeal to emotion, it's such a terrible argument and is so transparently false. I think we can forgive them because before trying to fool everyone else they have taken great pains to fool themselves.
FeurFenix 4 years ago
my video to ndclark was intentionally simplistic. The reason for this is clear when people watch the video I am responding to and how he wanted to stay on a 'common language' type of level. With regards to ur vid...it'd be helpful if next time you clarify what this objective eternal reality is that you speak of. Is it your opinion that the earth being flat is a belief based upon 'temporary insignificant subjective emotions' as you called them? It doesnt seem to me that such is the case-peace man
LifeofApollos 4 years ago
The 'objective eternal reality' was just my attempt to relate to your position of there being an absolute eternal reality in God.
No, I dont think it is an emotional position, but it was one based off everyday experience and subjective human perception which is often flawed.
I didn't want a long winded video explaining all of that. I hope that clarifies a few things for you.
Clutchology 4 years ago
What? The world isn't flat? Has anyone told Sherry Sheppard? ;-)
klangsteiner 4 years ago
No, The View never got the telegram ;)
Clutchology 4 years ago
Stalin was an atheist.
ThinkIGiveAShit 4 years ago
Really? Wow! That's so...used. Move on!
tecnoblix 4 years ago
And that means what... Those wonderful people of the spanish inquisition were christians. Is that a reason to judge all christians. Are you saying that all groups of people (if you could even say atheists are a united group) are to be judged by their worst members?
Maybe looking at the motiviation of people should be done before rash judgements are made, or would such rationality get in the way of a poor arguement sucha as the one you advance?
DaveJonesBSNews 4 years ago
Stalin was also male.
cavejourney 4 years ago
he had a mustache
he believed in gravity
he was white
"I will kill millions of people in the name of no god"
does that make sense to you?
dale22x 4 years ago 3
dale22x, I hope you dont mind me deleting the duplicate response.
Clutchology 4 years ago
Hitler was a Catholic. Okay, what did that do... nothing.
shtosuka 4 years ago
"Stalin was an atheist."
'Post hoc ergo propter hoc'
Look it up.
mavaddat 4 years ago
Im an athiest too, and you know what? i have to hold myself back every single night, otherwise id just be out there genociding people left right and centre. I wish i could believe in god but satan assures me he doesnt exist!!!
Hail satan
Aspartame69 4 years ago 3
I always thought that Hammer Time was when you bludgeon small children with a hammer for Satan until I discovered God, then I realised that crucifixes were better weapons.
Clutchology 4 years ago
You are good! Please keep it up.
LenSchfer 4 years ago
Wow, I know I'll sound like a parrot, but Excellent response, right to the point.
shtosuka 4 years ago
"seems like common sense isn't that common, and it isn't that common."
johnmicstring 4 years ago
we need to take three E's O_O :D.
johnmicstring 4 years ago 2
I watched Jack's video and was amazed that one of the reasons he gave was because he would see the stars and the moon every night, which I don't think is any form of proof at all. All the stars and moon show are the laws of nature in the cosmos. Anyway, great response. Short and straight to the point. Well said.
HaleyMary 4 years ago 3
Normally, I wouldn't be surprised, but I expected better from Jack. I think that shows in the video, from my perspective at least.
Clutchology 4 years ago
It seems to me that common sense should mean that it's common to most people, and that more people than not, believe God exists. Does that mean that because more people believe it, that it's true? Of course not. However, one cannot just dismiss the universal commonality in every society i've ever heard of, that God exists.
Thorzon 4 years ago
No, you cannot, but argument from popularity only gets you so far. The same applies for the definition of common sense. 'Common' is only one half, 'sense' is the other. For something to be common sense it must, by definition, by sensical. Unfortunately, I do not think belief in a deity falls under this category.
At least in the form that Jack is arguing it anyway. For the context of the video, that is all that matters.
Clutchology 4 years ago
The video was also to point out that common sense may not be the best epistemological method. It was once common sense to think the earth was flat. Contemporarily, our everyday common sense is completely oxymoronic to the fundamental findings of quantum physics, etc.
Common sense can quite easily be wrong. Cheap/common answers are for cheap/common thinkers.
Clutchology 4 years ago
Excellent response.
rozeboosje 4 years ago 2
Thanks!
Clutchology 4 years ago
right to the point - love it.
DavidRandallCurtis 4 years ago 2
Thank you!
Clutchology 4 years ago