Many of these comments are rather disturbing. I would offer the view that the majority who are slinging charges of 'obscurantist postmodernism' 'jewish conspiracy' and even 'commies' have not read any works published by any of the proponents of The Frankfurt School. These charges are the worst kind of straw man set ups, and a refusal to engage the material properly says more about the obtuse characters posting these rather narrow, and pathetic comments - than it does about the Frankfurt School.
i find it odd how all the frontthinkers of the frankfurt school were almost all jews. talk about a jewish conspiracy to overthrow the western world in favour of a godless communist tyranny. hitlers worst crime was to let these commies escape to north america
Gosh. What a load of pseudo-intellectual trash. Have we forgotten what the primary purpose of the Frankfurt School and other groups like the Tavistock Institute are? It's not just 'cultural studies', it's cultural doctrine. All of your ideas about the world have been sculpted by these people, and most of your ideas about who they are, have also been sculpted by these people and their academic minions. They don't call it the 'culture industry' for nothing..
@mayorofthenonsense you can just as easily say all your ideas about anything are sculpted by somebody. We are all influenced by things surrounding us. What does that /mean/?
So when can we expect to see the middle class shrink into nothing by the monopoly capitalist? According to Marx that should of happened long ago.Yet the U.S has the largest most affluent middle class in the world. Maybe because in a capitalist society normal people like Stephenie Meyer can write entertaining books like Twilight, and they become successful unlike Karamaxov. It seems to me if you want to be successful write some good capitalist entertainment!
@michael8506 The top 20% of the American populace holds roughly 93% of the country's financial wealth, and the top 1% of the country holds approximately 43% of the money in the U.S. Meanwhile, the middle 20% of the population - what would, officially, be called the middle class - holds only 6% of the country's total assets. (Source: Daily Finance)
if you understand what adorno and horkheimer are saying, you will see that the totalizing ideology of work/pleasure is the the ultimate exploitative, for-profit, pernicious superstructure that capitalism has currently strangled the world with...
@denison273 thats really interesting denison. So it looks like if we divide life into work and play, there is no room left for other activities such as growth, knowledge, creativity, or justice etc. which do not fit with either; to say nothing of one's relationships with humans, the spiritual life, or sustainable living on earth. Bread and circuses seem to be the only items on this short menu, and only snobs want to cook up their own.
Marxism has been an elitist agenda since it's beginning.It's purpouse is TOTAL destruction of society. And build up an abslolute slavery system. Practically all main universities are serving marxist ideology. Just look at their liberaries. With YOUR tax dollars.
Destroying American culture was absolute child's play. The mass media was something that people felt was needed to complete themselves, to attain some sort of culture that they felt they lacked. With so endless a string of victories, is it any wonder the Hapsburg empire sprays us with chemtrails and feverishly builds camps to put us useless eaters in? Seriously.
Basically the Frankfurt School is the root of today's political correctness. They were Jewish Marxist intellectuals who were kicked out of Germany for being so critical of German culture. They came to America, established the Frankfurt School and began their criticism of American culture!
When they figured out that the working class would not adopt Communism, they got the idea of using "victim groups" like blacks, gays, women & students instead.
@utube9000 Thats right. Political correctness (politicheskaya pravil'nost) owes it's origins to Marxism-Leninism and was advanced by the the Frankfurt school. It is at the root of many of today's problems in the West.
"Frankfurt School / Critical Theory" = bite the hand that feeds = Jews (who always leech off of a host culture, only to then gain influence, only to then destroy said host culture)
Just saved many of you kids thousands of dollars and gave you an ACTUAL education in the process.
I really enjoyed this short lecture -- it reminds me why Benjamin is so exciting, who Marinetti was, what mass production means for our quality of life --- how it adds quantity but degrades quality and human pride. Great Stuff!!!
I really enjoyed this short lecture -- it reminds me why Benjamin is so exciting, who Marinetti was, what mass production means for our quality of life --- how it adds quantity but degrades quality and human pride. Great Stuff!!!
wow, what a wind bag....tries to make himself sound intelectual by creating large descriptive run on sentences. politico speak doesn't make you smart. it makes you a smart ass. 'post modern idealized commodity fetishism valuation indices' still means 'the latest asking price' no matter how you dress it up with fancy words. stop being such a dink and speak in a way that encourages understanding instead of clouding understanding.
@FreedomClause I was thinking the same thing! Intellectual rhetoric, often, is designed to overwhelm the uneducated. Its the same thing as a mechanic speaking in technical jargon! All they want to do is manipulate the situation!
The wall behind him I truly believe is something to take into consideration that communicates this idea with this day and time to something that couldn't be possible without us and this world of thought!!!
@erdemoz1 im an atheist REAL conservative(see goldwater), and what you're saying smacks of a braindead neocon glennbeck moron . your comment smacks of mornic dismissiveness. if you can't add anything of positive value to a dialectic, kindly shut the fuck up, because you're likely a falwell braindead shill who is an enemy of reason and humanity itself
@xainish hey moron, when I decipher your broken English I'll reply to you. It still is academic jerk off, thanx to the wealth of capitalism, in other words fcking lefties living off my tuition and tax dollars.
@rostkehlchen You're making two assumptions that are wrong: I'm not American, nor am I a conservative. "Lefties" did keep me away from thinking critically, until I finished university and had time to read real literature such as Goethe, Mann, and Dostoevsky. Judging from your name, you must be familiar with at least two of these names. I wish you a leftie free day, don't forget all lefties have is OUR tax money to theorize bunch of nonsense! They contribute NOTHING to the society.
Are you actually suggesting that there is nothing wrong with capitalism ? I believe that capitalism is the optimal mode of production if you only consider only the sheer amount of production, i.e. GDP. But don't think it has a lot of flaws? Capitalism helps ignorance to be propagated more easily. In capitalism the only criteria for something to produced is that there would be enough demand for it so that benefit would be made after production.
The problem is that masses of people do not demand the truth, the real art and the authentic. The reason is the truth and the real art is harder to understand compared to the specious. As such, people keep reading Twilight rather than the brother Karamazov, the magic mountain and etc. That is why in our world the best way to pick books becomes to avoid best-sellers. So I would say in capitalism the role of media become "manufacturing consent" rather than truth, art or wisdom.
The Frankfurt School would mainstream the diktat of the Moscow Central Committee laid down in 1943. This declaration, right from the horses mouth, illustrates exactly what were up against: 'Members and front organizations must continually embarrass, discredit and degrade our critics. When obstructionists become too irritating, label them as fascist, or Nazi or anti-SemiticThe association will, after enough repetition, become fact in the public mind."
Capitalism the wage slavery of immense humanity in a politically manipulated market mechanism of artificial scarcity to perpetuate poverty and exploitation in the interest of the ruling class. Capitalism a tyrannical,destructive system of commodity production for profit. a template of war,enviornmental destructions,animal cruelty and suffering, a social reality of mass mind control in suppression,fear,insecurity and increasing misery and needless suffering.
@arzoyan You are describing monopolistic capitalism, not free market capitalism. Free market capitalism has proved to be the most effective means of distributing wealth to the most people. The Titans of capitalism, Rockefeller, Carnegie, Vanderbilt etc were actually socialists who despised competition.
Nearly all these Frankfurt School thinkers were being funded by the Soviet Union, Marxism's track record is beyond question now: economically disastrous and responsible for mass murder on a scale that exceeds Hitler's though few people know this. As for their social theory of art, it's true that art reflects society but great art is the work of people who are able to look at things with mostly fresh eyes. On the other hand we've seen the coarse, inhuman art the workers paradise produced.
Translating economic marxism into cultural terms. Thought control 101. Attack everything western. Destroy the family unit. Create polymorphous perversity. Destroy western culture, returning power to a few governing a nation of serfs. Will this failed ideology never die?
You might try studying some more history. Marx is Western, he's a classic European enlightenment thinker who believed capitalism was superior to feudalism because of its productive capacity. He thought it was a great loss that we used that capacity to enrich some at the expense of others. He did not want to return to feudalism, but to progress to the next stage in human history -- not ownership by the few, but by all/none. Finally, "ideology" is a Marxist term.
Intellectual bull! The bottom line is this. My world is being f**ked up by Marxist trash.
Marcuse was an asshole and his modern-day offspring the Fabians have their heads so far up their own backsides that they can't see the difference between shit and brains.
A simple reading of books by critical theoreticians makes apparent a large number of not only false foundational assumptions, but the outright promotion of myths, assumptions, and the promotion of racism under the guise of promoting anti-racism.
of course aesthetics cannot be discussed in strict propositional logic, but extrapolate and say that reason, the very thing that has made possible any progress, the very thing that makes possible that you irrational beings can spread your stupidities through the internet (are you gonna say irrational thought has created any palpable progress???), you're typing a computer and that computer is an artificial object created by science which is rational. YOU IDIOTS
Science is rational. The world is irrational. Your computer might turn into a crab at any moment. But seriously, rationality is neither here nor there. You just don't understand the topic, so you're pretending the subject makes no sense. Which is irrational. Which is a perfectly reasonable thing to be.
the whole deal with people following postmodern thinkers (freud, adorno, derrida, focoult, lacan, etc) is based on a tremendous need of provocative ideas. the curious thing is that most of these ideas are commonplace ideas delivered with a pompous rethoric.
@ChopstickBrando there is nothing to be understood, heavy reading is a sign of foggy thoughts, read Sokal's 'Intellectual Impostures', it exposes a lot of these self proclaimed thinkers as phonies
a) The writer has good ideas but isn't a good writer.
b) The writer is dealing with an extremely complex and specialized subject with specific terminology, which makes it difficult to read for somebody uneducated in the subject.
c) The writer isn't interested in making his work accessible for readers who are only idly interested.
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Also, you've completely missed the point of psychoanalysis. Stop being a techno-fetishist.
@shackleton12 first i'm not a techno-fetishist, i'm simply a scientist (chemist). Second, i'm also a professional pianist, and have read huge deals of philosophy. Look, the heaviness of the reading has nothing to do with depth or inconsistencies between his 'genius' and his capabilities as a writer, great geniuses are compelling and clear.
Ok, I'm going to have a go at responding. Firstly, genius is neither here nor there. Adorno is simply somebody extremely competent, working in a specific field that interests me.
Secondly, what huge deals? Who huge deals? I'm not interested in all that. I play the harmonica real well, but that's not the point.
@shackleton12 you now what, good for you, good luck in your studies, there is a great chance that you might be the first to say something interesting and valuable in these fields, because your predecessors haven't
Look, I play the accordion real well, and I'm not interested in your 'geniuses' or 'loads' of theory. As a physicist might say, science isn't interested in truth, but rather in providing models for an essentially probabilistic universe. Science views these models as impartial. Critical theory sees knowledge as partisan. Adorno is attempting to demonstrate how culture and technology, including the technique of science, reinforce social hierarchies. So you can see why it must be un-scientific.
@shackleton12 there is no point to be missed in psychoanalysis, because psychoanalysis is not a serious theory, it is just based in Freud's fantasies. Let me put it these way: if I 100 years ago i came with a ridiculous theory about the apocalipse comming in 1999 and among the stupidities that comprised my stupid theory I said that the universe is expanding (wich is indeed true), that particular correct assertion doesn't make up to make my theory right or serious.
Also, unscientific doesn't necessarily mean irrational. Psychoanalysis isn't always critical theory. Personally, I don't find psychoanalysis interesting in literal terms, but it is a very useful metaphor for interpreting the social relationships seen in media. Indeed, far more useful than the tripe produced by psychologists, who are very good at counting imaginary particles, but not very good at observing the obvious, real things like poverty and violence, both medical and ordinary.
Oh man, the humanity!! I had not notice the picture of Freud in the presentation of the video. Oh, god, how does someone still consider psychoanalysis a serious study. psychoanalysis is just literary fantasy.
It was his value in pointing out how the unconscious undermines conscious thought, thereby destabilizing thought that is Freud's philosophical value. Again, you reveal your lack of understanding of what this video is even talking about before you make judgments on pop notions of thinkers, disregarding their influence and context on thought itself.
@lovexsaidxno look, it is not pop notions of thinkers i am using here. it is well known, at least amongst the cientific comunity (read Karl Popper or Mario Bunge) that Psychoanalysis is a theory NOT based in scientific evidence but rather a fantasy wandering of Freud's. I expent large months in my College Years reading Freud's work, and eventually got to the point that his conclussions are no logically or scientifically derived. for instance the interpretation of dreams of the edipo complex...
the interpretation of dreams is just esoterism, in the best case he is deriving hermeneutical laws from his already unverified ideas about libido etc, and the edipo complex: science teaches that the part of the brain responsible for sexual drive is not yet developed in infants THEREFORE the kid cannot have sexual desires towards his mother. this is just a few issues concerning Freud's Fraud, name it and i will prove to you, I AM NOT UNDERINFORMED
Not that I dislike the scientific approach. I'm a big fan of neuroscience, for example, and I think I understand it relatively well. I think science does well when it restricts itself to describing physical phenomenon that work in a roughly causal manner, and does badly when it is applied to rather more complex and irrational phenomena, like late capitalism.
Critical theory has zero to do with science. It's all social theory from a Marxist-inspired ideological approach which takes aim at one and only one enemy: white capitalists and their countries.
the first half of this lecture is correct: it tackles serious phenomena, sometimes with innovative ideas, but not allways with sound arguments. The second half simply enters the domain of fantasy. An idea is not correct just because it is provocative or even seductive. I just cannot understand why people still waste time studying adorno and the rest of the imposture intellectuelles.
@lovexsaidxno also, there was a time in which i read Adorno voraciously, cause i'm really interested in artistic and aesthetical matters. and man, he is SO lacking in ideas, he simply paraphrases commonplace notions on art or dialectic materialism, read his so called 'aesthetic theory': it is just BS. also all of his writings in music are just plagium of Arnold Schoenberg's, and he is so full of intolerance and biased towards modern culture, i can sustain a serious discussion if you want...
What? That's just not true. He's intolerant, yes, and he's also an elitist. But to call him an unoriginal plagiarist is completely ridiculous, since he was one of the first generation that COULD actually address the issues he does. I'm really getting the feeling you've just read some wiki articles, and you have an analytic axe to grind. (Anybody who wants proof of analytic theory's complete irrelevance to aesthetics should check out Descriptivism, comically advanced post-Sassure.)
@shackleton12 Now, like i said, i have read a HUUUUUGE deal of postmodern thinkers (not wiki). my thought faculties are not restricted to analitical matters, i can perfectly follow freud, adorno, lacan, name it. because i can follow, because i can sense the realm of what they comunicate i now this is some sort of new mysticism. Have you read intellectual impostures?? you should. trust me, maybe some day you will run into my book of criticism to postmodern thinkers.
@shackleton12 that analytic theory irrelevant to aesthetics???? oh man, this is a bizantine discussion. there's no point in discussing. this is just right wing academics against left wing exotica.
Every person that is religious as religion is false, and every person that boast national pride. How is Cultural Marxism providing the illusion, when it is the one doing the critique?
Is english your first language? What are you attacking here, religion or democracy? What makes you think that cultural marxism does nothing but critique? Are you imtv under a different login?
What's great about western society is that it recognizes individual rights, created the middle class, thousands of advances in agriculture, medicine, & technology. People have been more free under western society in the past 200 years than ever before in history. The reality of western society in modern times is that it's highly corrupted by your Frankfurt School of Critical Theory. Nearly all of our problems stem from the fact that we're all victims of your cultural marxism.
God you're a moron. You see the name "Marx" and react like a coward. The Critical Theory of the F.S. is not so much about political change as much as an intellectual account influenced by Marx. Even a staunch capitalist can see the value of Marx as a philosopher in the way he relates material conditions to modes of thought. One hadn't need to subscribe to socialism, communism, or anti-capitalism to see the philosophical value in that! You're no victim of cultural Marxism, you're just dim.
If you wish to encompass all nations in that statement then you have to take into account that the cultural marxists coming out of this school have been at it since WWI in Germany. Socialism in the American presidency actually goes back to Theodore Roosevelt & the undermining of state sovereignty began with Hamilton. How is the culture itself a dictatorship?
Mass production enhances art. Prior to the industrial period, only the rich would come into contact with the best art. Today, however, works by the great masters can be appreciated by all. The conduit for art appreciation are all devices by which were made possible by the Industrial Revolution.
I suppose if nothing else critical theory has one good application. Despite it's whining about capitalism it provides nice ideas about how to make capitalism more efficient! :D
Yes I am aware of this. but Marx was also a reader and admirer of Hegel from which he took the brunt of his ideas regarding the unfurling of history and the goal toward which it was directed.
By the way those "2 Jews" MArx and Engels didn't 'create' the communism (actually communism's, since every communist leader puts their own spin on it) to which you refer. Their main goal was to help the proletariat get out from the oppressive captialists. They wanted to HELP mankind. Intellectuals and their philosophies are in themselves harmless. It is the politicians which make them dangerous
First of all, you speak as if all Jews are bad. Like any race, there are some good ones and some bad ones. You forget to mention the great Jews who have been writers, painters, artists, etc. and who have only done good for society. Second, you speak as if the Jews planned some grand murder spree killing 8.5 million people, but what about the holocaust which wiped 1/3 of the jews in Europe? Children and women murdered. A petty vengeful god "getting back" at the jews like that isnt worth worship
I quit teaching b/c of the privileging of these theories. Departments do not allow opposition. The Jewish nature of the authors should be studied more by someone. Jews (either atheist or Torah-oriented) do not have the same attachment to art as connection with God (some readings of Torah prohibit artistic production). Therefore, art/culture becomes political/mechanized/about money, etc. This is counter to Christianity/Islam, but professors do not know any better. Very narrow.
I love Adorno. I'm going to buy his Aesthetic Theory book at Barnes and Noble tonight. I find Habermas very boring, using too many words to say not much at all. My favorite philosph is Derrida, then Levinas.
This is a very good lecture, I think the Frankfurt school is very important to understand.
I believe we can categorize art differently. For Tolstoy, any expression can be art and mass art, the reproducible art, becomes counterfeit art.
This mass art, which now constitutes a large portion of the society of the spectacle and further justifies its existence IS the product of late capitalism.
The Frankfurt School has destroyed High Culture and eroded much of Western Civilisation. Look at the garbage that these relativists pass of as "art" and "architecture". It is shame that the founders of the Frankfurt School weren't put into concentration camps when there was a chance.
What pisses me off is that they actually did this on purpose:
Who will save us from Western Civilization? ~Georg Lukacs, critical theorist and human parasite.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. Marcuse for example argued that the guiding energy behind civilization stemmed from sexual "repression." So what does he do with this? Promotes having orgies so that civilization will fall apart.
Cultural Marxists are self-professed enemies of the state and should be treated accordingly!!
My British friends have health care because taxes can be increased in Britain. My kids don't because organized groups in America resist tax increases, treating their "private property" as holy. This is wrong, and it shall be changed whether you like it or not.
Absent government, there is no private property. More important, for most people, there is no market and therefore no chance for the poorest of the poor to go to the market to sell what they can.
"Absent government, there is no private property. "
Not according to Locke. Private property is an a priori necessity to make sense of economics. You need a government to enforce it as a right but it still exists without a government, but just unprotected. If people would learn that they ought not steal what doesn't belong to them we wouldn't need a government to do this either.
"Therefore, private property is not an absolute."
The premise is false and so this conclusion is suspect.
No such right exists absent its enforcement. Locke based his philosophy on the false belief that North America was in the 17th century was *terra nullius* when in fact the "virgin" land to which he refers was taken from Native Americans.
We're not talking about what shold be. We're talking about reality. Absent government, Hobbes, and not Locke, was right. Life is nasty, brutish and short.
Private property is an absolute even if their is no government because it is the only way to make sense of economics. In a sense private property is dependent on the state, but this does not mean that private property is not absolute because it just so happens to turn out that the state is absolute.
See if you got rid of the government and private property the first thing that would happen is a Hobbesian State of Nature. Everyone would fight until equilibrium reappeared and a new state arose.
It's not grand anyway. The whole thing was designed as a way to propagandize to get rid of capitalism. As such it is interesting, but in the end not to be taken seriously.
Even if deposing the dictatorship of capital is somehow itself dictatorial; then this does not make the dictatorship of capital any less dictatorial.
According to your definitions, deposing an absolute monarch is similarly dictatorial because it violates the monarch's existing rights to rule over his subjects.
"Even if deposing the dictatorship of capital is somehow itself dictatorial; then this does not make the dictatorship of capital any less dictatorial."
People have a right to "dictatorially" rule over their own stuff. Fucking marxists think otherwise and are willing to destroy all of society to get what they want. That is why they need a bullet in the brain.
See any communist experiment (with the exception of perhaps syndicalism or Trotskyism which I have a hard time classifying as communism properly speaking) requires the violation of pre-existing property rights for it to even begin. When you violate someones rights you have to expect that their will be a backlash. To argue that you can separate communism in practice from the counterrevolutions against it is akin to saying that you can rob a bank without the police coming in with guns to stop you.
You guys can't get around the fact that the expropriation of others property or capital is inherently dictatorial even if it is by majority rule. If the majority votes to take away the minorities wealth that is just a form of tyranny of the majority. Even if the US didn't intervene any expropriation of wealth would still be in violation of others rights and therefore dictatorial in some sense.
Look guys if you want to benefit from collectization just adopt a state capitalist or corporatist model like they have in Japan.Class warfare just diminishes the nations overall wealth and makes everyone poorer.Class collaboration especially in the case of western industrialized states like the US is much more rational.If we were to spread all wealth equally throughout the whole world. America's poor would be even poorer now. International communism isn't beneficial to any American rich or poor.
"you smug reactionary fuck, just have the last word. yr vision of the world is skewed no one could talk a lick of sense into you."
So I give a constructive suggestion and this is the response I get? I mean I'm meeting you half way with collectivization that works for all citizens rich and poor alike.
Look why experiment with systems that minimize your own "priviledge?" That's pretty idiotic I think. It would make much more sense to experiment with systems that could maximize what you call "priviledge" and expand your nation's national greatness.
"Of course you wouldn't. But tell me what is right with it?"
Simple the idea was to restore the Socratic/Platonic/Aristotlean tradition of political philosophy by injecting civic virtues such as patriotism back into modern politics. And promoting civic virtue is a good thing.
Leo Strauss was a doddering old shitfleck who saw the world through the prism of the fucking 1960s television program 'Gunsmoke' (a western). How much more of a simplistic moron could you possibly admire? Good/evil good/evil white hats/black hats ... like asshole Bush. Strauss is your highest philosophical ideal? What a low bar you have set for yourself. No wonder you're a "neo-conservative" toad. Ugh.
That was one of his favorite shows but that doesn't mean he saw the world through that lense.
Have you actually read his stuff? Because he is actually a very deep and nuanced figure. Your portrayal of his view of good/evil black/white is an excellent way of how you have skewed his thinking. He understands nuance exists but ALSO understands that conceptions of good and evil must exist to maintain a proper society.
Neocon toad eh? Better than a cretinous cultural marxist toad I guess. Puke!
OH COME ON! If you want to play that game I can incredibly easily point out just how stupid the critical theorists were. Adorno committed a blatant Bulverism fallacy with his "Authoritarian Personality" nonsense for example. Most of the crits only ever whine about a structure of morality or justice as a "system of oppression" and then seek to "liberate" themselves from it without stopping to bother to try the hard part of actually putting together any objective substitute. Take about low brow!
"Philosophers have interpreted the world in various ways, the point however is to change it." ~Marx
Marxism clearly is not concerned with studying the world for it's own sake but rather with recreating it.
I'm sorry but there are some things you can't change. Sure you can steal property from its rightful owners, but you can never make said behavior just -no matter how much sophistry about "economic justice" you pile onto it.
At the end of the day. My property is still rightfully mine!
Marxism not concerned with studying the world as it is?
What complete crud. Seeing the world as it is is about all Marxism does. What YOU don't like about Marxism is it sees the economic world EXACTLY as it has been constructed: as a fixed game.
"Marxism not concerned with studying the world as it is?"
Well yes, it looks at it as it is, except in it's analysis of morality and justice then it is completely irrational. As for the rest it sees it as it is, but then uses that knowledge for completely wrong ends.
If you've studied Strauss at all, and/or any of the work of his students you'd understand that the proper approach would be a Marxian analysis of reality but combined with an understanding that capitalism is correct.
BTW I'm middle class, but in global terms that would mean I still be more on the side of the American upper class.
There's a test I saw online a few years back where you were asked questions about your lifestyle. Based on that it would then tell you how many planets we would have to live on if everyone were to live like you. For me it was about 6 planets.
So this whole goal of indiscriminate economic equality across the planet is obviously nonsense unless we want to live in a 3rd world dump.
And your point? If that was meant to disprove those explanations then I'm sorry to disappoint you but all you've done is engage in the Bulverism fallacy. My being a "self-satisfied imperialist" has nothing to do with the validity of my arguments. I may however add that self-satisfaction often occurs when someone has found an explanation that makes sense.
You being a self-satisfied imperialist has EVERYTHING to do with the ideals you promote.
Nice talking with you, self-satisfied imperialist. Change your username. You've influenced me to a degree so low, it would not be possible to measure.
My being who I am predetermines the validity of my argument, eh? If you had taken a logic class you would understand why that argument is patently fallacious right from the beginning. Ok, I have a suggestion. For starters, google the words "Bulverism" and "fallacy."
BTW an appeal to emotion such as in your last comment is also not logical.
Yes, you are a self-satisfied imperialist. Every one of your arguments supports American imperialism. Milton Freidman was an economic advisor to the murderous Augusto Pinochet; a man placed in power following the CIA's assassination of a democratically elected President.
Honestly, I don't have the time to straighten out every single one of your misconceptions. I have a life. I have to pay my capitalist land owner the absorbitant rent for the dismal apartment in which I reside.
"Yes, you are a self-satisfied imperialist. Every one of your arguments supports American imperialism."
So? And your point?
"economic advisor to the murderous Augusto Pinochet"
Yeah who was put in place to remove an even more dangerous regime. I'm sorry to say it but sometimes you need to support the bad guy to avoid the worse guy.
"CIA's assassination of a democratically elected"
They went about it in a flawed way but what other means would you suggest for correcting democratic failures?
The CIA went about assassinating Salvador Allende in a "flawed way"? Considering that Allende was killed, I'd say it was a relatively unflawed assassination.
And, when someone is elected to office democratically, how, exactly is that a "democratic failure"?
Many of these comments are rather disturbing. I would offer the view that the majority who are slinging charges of 'obscurantist postmodernism' 'jewish conspiracy' and even 'commies' have not read any works published by any of the proponents of The Frankfurt School. These charges are the worst kind of straw man set ups, and a refusal to engage the material properly says more about the obtuse characters posting these rather narrow, and pathetic comments - than it does about the Frankfurt School.
stillceaser 1 week ago
Our only crime is letting these Jewish scum live !
Richthor1889 1 month ago
scrambled categories please, no salt.............
cybermone 1 month ago
Jews! Communism/Marxism/Anti-racism/Feminism..al jewish ideologies for destroy white race. I am ready for fight against this evil.
theCZsoldier 2 months ago
I have a 2500 word essay to do on this for Monday. Safe to say I'm screwed.
myfatcat16 2 months ago 2
Shanksh for dish :3
GypsyPoetMusician 3 months ago
i find it odd how all the frontthinkers of the frankfurt school were almost all jews. talk about a jewish conspiracy to overthrow the western world in favour of a godless communist tyranny. hitlers worst crime was to let these commies escape to north america
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@happosai27 agreed.
wrathofvengance67 3 months ago
The Postmodernism Generator is a computer program that automatically generates postmodern essays. Gramatically correct but meaningless.
Now watch a college gaduate reviewing a computer generated essay. He has no clue of its true origin.
/watch?v=jxQ7rONF5iE
verwoestijning 4 months ago
All leisure activities are just after images of work? I don't agree with that.
MrShmetel 6 months ago
Gosh. What a load of pseudo-intellectual trash. Have we forgotten what the primary purpose of the Frankfurt School and other groups like the Tavistock Institute are? It's not just 'cultural studies', it's cultural doctrine. All of your ideas about the world have been sculpted by these people, and most of your ideas about who they are, have also been sculpted by these people and their academic minions. They don't call it the 'culture industry' for nothing..
mayorofthenonsense 7 months ago
@mayorofthenonsense The Frankfurt School had 1 explicit mission and 1 implicit mission : critique of capitalism and how to eliminate antisemitism.
fdesouchecom 4 months ago
@mayorofthenonsense you can just as easily say all your ideas about anything are sculpted by somebody. We are all influenced by things surrounding us. What does that /mean/?
pixiella 3 months ago
So when can we expect to see the middle class shrink into nothing by the monopoly capitalist? According to Marx that should of happened long ago.Yet the U.S has the largest most affluent middle class in the world. Maybe because in a capitalist society normal people like Stephenie Meyer can write entertaining books like Twilight, and they become successful unlike Karamaxov. It seems to me if you want to be successful write some good capitalist entertainment!
michael8506 8 months ago
@michael8506 The top 20% of the American populace holds roughly 93% of the country's financial wealth, and the top 1% of the country holds approximately 43% of the money in the U.S. Meanwhile, the middle 20% of the population - what would, officially, be called the middle class - holds only 6% of the country's total assets. (Source: Daily Finance)
OneSummerSky 8 months ago
Disgusting intellectual trash.
omegapoint777 9 months ago
Competent overview. Comments from viewers less insightful, many stupid.
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SHIRELYQUESINB 9 months ago
if you understand what adorno and horkheimer are saying, you will see that the totalizing ideology of work/pleasure is the the ultimate exploitative, for-profit, pernicious superstructure that capitalism has currently strangled the world with...
denison273 9 months ago
@denison273 thats really interesting denison. So it looks like if we divide life into work and play, there is no room left for other activities such as growth, knowledge, creativity, or justice etc. which do not fit with either; to say nothing of one's relationships with humans, the spiritual life, or sustainable living on earth. Bread and circuses seem to be the only items on this short menu, and only snobs want to cook up their own.
Spanglefeather 8 months ago
Karl Marx was a drunk and could not even support his own family.
AUSTINRINT 10 months ago
@AUSTINRINT Still wrote some influential books though.
almanacofsleep 9 months ago
Marxism has been an elitist agenda since it's beginning.It's purpouse is TOTAL destruction of society. And build up an abslolute slavery system. Practically all main universities are serving marxist ideology. Just look at their liberaries. With YOUR tax dollars.
Quex01 10 months ago
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Quex01 10 months ago
thank you for this video!
Palaciofilin 10 months ago
That unbearable introductory music tries to wring consumption-like qualities from your lecture.
geterpillette 1 year ago
Destroying American culture was absolute child's play. The mass media was something that people felt was needed to complete themselves, to attain some sort of culture that they felt they lacked. With so endless a string of victories, is it any wonder the Hapsburg empire sprays us with chemtrails and feverishly builds camps to put us useless eaters in? Seriously.
hozayamz 1 year ago
The haughty channel.
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deadadelta 1 year ago
How to manage a democracy once it gets out of control: watch?v=BBezaI0bnAQ&
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
i'm new to researching this but could anyone please tell me what the frankfurt school contributes to our understanding of popular culture?
flyingmonkeys88888 1 year ago
Basically the Frankfurt School is the root of today's political correctness. They were Jewish Marxist intellectuals who were kicked out of Germany for being so critical of German culture. They came to America, established the Frankfurt School and began their criticism of American culture!
When they figured out that the working class would not adopt Communism, they got the idea of using "victim groups" like blacks, gays, women & students instead.
utube9000 1 year ago
@utube9000 Trueer words have never been spoken...well said.
cdoug1 1 year ago
@utube9000 Thats right. Political correctness (politicheskaya pravil'nost) owes it's origins to Marxism-Leninism and was advanced by the the Frankfurt school. It is at the root of many of today's problems in the West.
CMTours732 10 months ago
"Frankfurt School / Critical Theory" = bite the hand that feeds = Jews (who always leech off of a host culture, only to then gain influence, only to then destroy said host culture)
Just saved many of you kids thousands of dollars and gave you an ACTUAL education in the process.
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I really enjoyed this short lecture -- it reminds me why Benjamin is so exciting, who Marinetti was, what mass production means for our quality of life --- how it adds quantity but degrades quality and human pride. Great Stuff!!!
Spanglefeather 1 year ago
I really enjoyed this short lecture -- it reminds me why Benjamin is so exciting, who Marinetti was, what mass production means for our quality of life --- how it adds quantity but degrades quality and human pride. Great Stuff!!!
Spanglefeather 1 year ago
wow, what a wind bag....tries to make himself sound intelectual by creating large descriptive run on sentences. politico speak doesn't make you smart. it makes you a smart ass. 'post modern idealized commodity fetishism valuation indices' still means 'the latest asking price' no matter how you dress it up with fancy words. stop being such a dink and speak in a way that encourages understanding instead of clouding understanding.
FreedomClause 1 year ago 2
@FreedomClause I was thinking the same thing! Intellectual rhetoric, often, is designed to overwhelm the uneducated. Its the same thing as a mechanic speaking in technical jargon! All they want to do is manipulate the situation!
MrWatchdawg77 1 year ago
The wall behind him I truly believe is something to take into consideration that communicates this idea with this day and time to something that couldn't be possible without us and this world of thought!!!
bobthwart1 1 year ago
Critical theory is the avoidance of creation and accountability in the social sphere.
Rorschach65 1 year ago
bunch of academic bs. fking academia, get paid to jerk off, thanx to the wealth of capitalism.
erdemoz1 1 year ago
@erdemoz1 im an atheist REAL conservative(see goldwater), and what you're saying smacks of a braindead neocon glennbeck moron . your comment smacks of mornic dismissiveness. if you can't add anything of positive value to a dialectic, kindly shut the fuck up, because you're likely a falwell braindead shill who is an enemy of reason and humanity itself
xainish 1 year ago
@xainish hey moron, when I decipher your broken English I'll reply to you. It still is academic jerk off, thanx to the wealth of capitalism, in other words fcking lefties living off my tuition and tax dollars.
erdemoz1 1 year ago
@erdemoz1 you american conservatives are boring. nagging about "lefties" keeps you away from thinking about critical theory.
rostkehlchen 1 year ago
@rostkehlchen You're making two assumptions that are wrong: I'm not American, nor am I a conservative. "Lefties" did keep me away from thinking critically, until I finished university and had time to read real literature such as Goethe, Mann, and Dostoevsky. Judging from your name, you must be familiar with at least two of these names. I wish you a leftie free day, don't forget all lefties have is OUR tax money to theorize bunch of nonsense! They contribute NOTHING to the society.
erdemoz1 1 year ago
@erdemoz1 so what does "leftie" acutally mean to you? i mean, it's true, big parts of the left wing scene theorize in fact lots of nonsense
rostkehlchen 1 year ago
@erdemoz1
Are you actually suggesting that there is nothing wrong with capitalism ? I believe that capitalism is the optimal mode of production if you only consider only the sheer amount of production, i.e. GDP. But don't think it has a lot of flaws? Capitalism helps ignorance to be propagated more easily. In capitalism the only criteria for something to produced is that there would be enough demand for it so that benefit would be made after production.
hailmomo 1 year ago
@erdemoz1
The problem is that masses of people do not demand the truth, the real art and the authentic. The reason is the truth and the real art is harder to understand compared to the specious. As such, people keep reading Twilight rather than the brother Karamazov, the magic mountain and etc. That is why in our world the best way to pick books becomes to avoid best-sellers. So I would say in capitalism the role of media become "manufacturing consent" rather than truth, art or wisdom.
hailmomo 1 year ago 7
Are you aware that American taxpayers fund various leftist groups in Europe?
dvjesto 1 year ago
@dvjesto one must ask why.
h2jazz5 1 year ago
The Frankfurt School would mainstream the diktat of the Moscow Central Committee laid down in 1943. This declaration, right from the horses mouth, illustrates exactly what were up against: 'Members and front organizations must continually embarrass, discredit and degrade our critics. When obstructionists become too irritating, label them as fascist, or Nazi or anti-SemiticThe association will, after enough repetition, become fact in the public mind."
jasabbott 1 year ago
soursourapples: innit. trying to understand him has often brought me close to tears though, to be fair. sigh.
Lianneth 1 year ago
For more on cultural Marxism and critical theory, see Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul in ORIGINAL INTENT
OriginalIntentDoc 1 year ago
Capitalism the wage slavery of immense humanity in a politically manipulated market mechanism of artificial scarcity to perpetuate poverty and exploitation in the interest of the ruling class. Capitalism a tyrannical,destructive system of commodity production for profit. a template of war,enviornmental destructions,animal cruelty and suffering, a social reality of mass mind control in suppression,fear,insecurity and increasing misery and needless suffering.
arzoyan 1 year ago
@arzoyan You are describing monopolistic capitalism, not free market capitalism. Free market capitalism has proved to be the most effective means of distributing wealth to the most people. The Titans of capitalism, Rockefeller, Carnegie, Vanderbilt etc were actually socialists who despised competition.
jasabbott 1 year ago
Nearly all these Frankfurt School thinkers were being funded by the Soviet Union, Marxism's track record is beyond question now: economically disastrous and responsible for mass murder on a scale that exceeds Hitler's though few people know this. As for their social theory of art, it's true that art reflects society but great art is the work of people who are able to look at things with mostly fresh eyes. On the other hand we've seen the coarse, inhuman art the workers paradise produced.
Peterh588 1 year ago
Translating economic marxism into cultural terms. Thought control 101. Attack everything western. Destroy the family unit. Create polymorphous perversity. Destroy western culture, returning power to a few governing a nation of serfs. Will this failed ideology never die?
jasabbott 1 year ago
You might try studying some more history. Marx is Western, he's a classic European enlightenment thinker who believed capitalism was superior to feudalism because of its productive capacity. He thought it was a great loss that we used that capacity to enrich some at the expense of others. He did not want to return to feudalism, but to progress to the next stage in human history -- not ownership by the few, but by all/none. Finally, "ideology" is a Marxist term.
Trystiane 1 year ago
@Trystiane
Appreciate your reply. The ideology is still evil.
jasabbott 1 year ago
Intellectual bull! The bottom line is this. My world is being f**ked up by Marxist trash.
Marcuse was an asshole and his modern-day offspring the Fabians have their heads so far up their own backsides that they can't see the difference between shit and brains.
theemperorwearsnoclo 1 year ago
A simple reading of books by critical theoreticians makes apparent a large number of not only false foundational assumptions, but the outright promotion of myths, assumptions, and the promotion of racism under the guise of promoting anti-racism.
AnalgesicBalm 1 year ago
of course aesthetics cannot be discussed in strict propositional logic, but extrapolate and say that reason, the very thing that has made possible any progress, the very thing that makes possible that you irrational beings can spread your stupidities through the internet (are you gonna say irrational thought has created any palpable progress???), you're typing a computer and that computer is an artificial object created by science which is rational. YOU IDIOTS
sirdelrio 2 years ago
Science is rational. The world is irrational. Your computer might turn into a crab at any moment. But seriously, rationality is neither here nor there. You just don't understand the topic, so you're pretending the subject makes no sense. Which is irrational. Which is a perfectly reasonable thing to be.
shackleton12 2 years ago 2
the whole deal with people following postmodern thinkers (freud, adorno, derrida, focoult, lacan, etc) is based on a tremendous need of provocative ideas. the curious thing is that most of these ideas are commonplace ideas delivered with a pompous rethoric.
sirdelrio 2 years ago
dude sounds exactly like a text-to-speech generator.
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imtv 2 years ago
adorno is by far the most emo philosopher in history.
soursourapples 2 years ago 13
DAMN hard to read, though.
Maybe if I could read it in the original German...
ChopstickBrando 2 years ago
@ChopstickBrando there is nothing to be understood, heavy reading is a sign of foggy thoughts, read Sokal's 'Intellectual Impostures', it exposes a lot of these self proclaimed thinkers as phonies
sirdelrio 2 years ago
@sirdelrio Or, maybe, it's heavy reading because:
a) The writer has good ideas but isn't a good writer.
b) The writer is dealing with an extremely complex and specialized subject with specific terminology, which makes it difficult to read for somebody uneducated in the subject.
c) The writer isn't interested in making his work accessible for readers who are only idly interested.
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Also, you've completely missed the point of psychoanalysis. Stop being a techno-fetishist.
shackleton12 2 years ago
@shackleton12 first i'm not a techno-fetishist, i'm simply a scientist (chemist). Second, i'm also a professional pianist, and have read huge deals of philosophy. Look, the heaviness of the reading has nothing to do with depth or inconsistencies between his 'genius' and his capabilities as a writer, great geniuses are compelling and clear.
sirdelrio 2 years ago
Ok, I'm going to have a go at responding. Firstly, genius is neither here nor there. Adorno is simply somebody extremely competent, working in a specific field that interests me.
Secondly, what huge deals? Who huge deals? I'm not interested in all that. I play the harmonica real well, but that's not the point.
shackleton12 2 years ago
@shackleton12 you now what, good for you, good luck in your studies, there is a great chance that you might be the first to say something interesting and valuable in these fields, because your predecessors haven't
sirdelrio 2 years ago
Look, I play the accordion real well, and I'm not interested in your 'geniuses' or 'loads' of theory. As a physicist might say, science isn't interested in truth, but rather in providing models for an essentially probabilistic universe. Science views these models as impartial. Critical theory sees knowledge as partisan. Adorno is attempting to demonstrate how culture and technology, including the technique of science, reinforce social hierarchies. So you can see why it must be un-scientific.
shackleton12 2 years ago
@shackleton12 there is no point to be missed in psychoanalysis, because psychoanalysis is not a serious theory, it is just based in Freud's fantasies. Let me put it these way: if I 100 years ago i came with a ridiculous theory about the apocalipse comming in 1999 and among the stupidities that comprised my stupid theory I said that the universe is expanding (wich is indeed true), that particular correct assertion doesn't make up to make my theory right or serious.
sirdelrio 2 years ago
Also, unscientific doesn't necessarily mean irrational. Psychoanalysis isn't always critical theory. Personally, I don't find psychoanalysis interesting in literal terms, but it is a very useful metaphor for interpreting the social relationships seen in media. Indeed, far more useful than the tripe produced by psychologists, who are very good at counting imaginary particles, but not very good at observing the obvious, real things like poverty and violence, both medical and ordinary.
shackleton12 2 years ago
@shackleton12 ok, enlighten me: what's the point of psychoanalysis???
sirdelrio 2 years ago
@soursourapples I think that the first position belongs to Sartre
85cube 6 months ago 2
@soursourapples He would seriously resent being associated with such a consumption-oriented subculture - LOL :)
essie073 4 months ago
is this dude a new age Critical theory hack
shazam20007 2 years ago
Oh man, the humanity!! I had not notice the picture of Freud in the presentation of the video. Oh, god, how does someone still consider psychoanalysis a serious study. psychoanalysis is just literary fantasy.
sirdelrio 2 years ago
It was his value in pointing out how the unconscious undermines conscious thought, thereby destabilizing thought that is Freud's philosophical value. Again, you reveal your lack of understanding of what this video is even talking about before you make judgments on pop notions of thinkers, disregarding their influence and context on thought itself.
lovexsaidxno 2 years ago
@lovexsaidxno look, it is not pop notions of thinkers i am using here. it is well known, at least amongst the cientific comunity (read Karl Popper or Mario Bunge) that Psychoanalysis is a theory NOT based in scientific evidence but rather a fantasy wandering of Freud's. I expent large months in my College Years reading Freud's work, and eventually got to the point that his conclussions are no logically or scientifically derived. for instance the interpretation of dreams of the edipo complex...
sirdelrio 2 years ago
the interpretation of dreams is just esoterism, in the best case he is deriving hermeneutical laws from his already unverified ideas about libido etc, and the edipo complex: science teaches that the part of the brain responsible for sexual drive is not yet developed in infants THEREFORE the kid cannot have sexual desires towards his mother. this is just a few issues concerning Freud's Fraud, name it and i will prove to you, I AM NOT UNDERINFORMED
sirdelrio 2 years ago
Cont.
Not that I dislike the scientific approach. I'm a big fan of neuroscience, for example, and I think I understand it relatively well. I think science does well when it restricts itself to describing physical phenomenon that work in a roughly causal manner, and does badly when it is applied to rather more complex and irrational phenomena, like late capitalism.
shackleton12 2 years ago
Critical theory has zero to do with science. It's all social theory from a Marxist-inspired ideological approach which takes aim at one and only one enemy: white capitalists and their countries.
AnalgesicBalm 1 year ago
the first half of this lecture is correct: it tackles serious phenomena, sometimes with innovative ideas, but not allways with sound arguments. The second half simply enters the domain of fantasy. An idea is not correct just because it is provocative or even seductive. I just cannot understand why people still waste time studying adorno and the rest of the imposture intellectuelles.
sirdelrio 2 years ago
The point of these ideas is not to be "correct" or it's "correctness".
Your inability to see the value in Adorno and the like, combined with your emphasis on what is "correct" or not betrays your lack of imagination.
lovexsaidxno 2 years ago
@lovexsaidxno also, there was a time in which i read Adorno voraciously, cause i'm really interested in artistic and aesthetical matters. and man, he is SO lacking in ideas, he simply paraphrases commonplace notions on art or dialectic materialism, read his so called 'aesthetic theory': it is just BS. also all of his writings in music are just plagium of Arnold Schoenberg's, and he is so full of intolerance and biased towards modern culture, i can sustain a serious discussion if you want...
sirdelrio 2 years ago
@sirdelrio
What? That's just not true. He's intolerant, yes, and he's also an elitist. But to call him an unoriginal plagiarist is completely ridiculous, since he was one of the first generation that COULD actually address the issues he does. I'm really getting the feeling you've just read some wiki articles, and you have an analytic axe to grind. (Anybody who wants proof of analytic theory's complete irrelevance to aesthetics should check out Descriptivism, comically advanced post-Sassure.)
shackleton12 2 years ago
@shackleton12 Now, like i said, i have read a HUUUUUGE deal of postmodern thinkers (not wiki). my thought faculties are not restricted to analitical matters, i can perfectly follow freud, adorno, lacan, name it. because i can follow, because i can sense the realm of what they comunicate i now this is some sort of new mysticism. Have you read intellectual impostures?? you should. trust me, maybe some day you will run into my book of criticism to postmodern thinkers.
sirdelrio 2 years ago
@shackleton12 that analytic theory irrelevant to aesthetics???? oh man, this is a bizantine discussion. there's no point in discussing. this is just right wing academics against left wing exotica.
sirdelrio 2 years ago
Democratic failure:
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
imtv 2 years ago
That's extremely vague & inaccurate.
KenMacMillan 2 years ago
It provides an illusion of happiness, thus making people accept conditions that they would not accept without said illusion.
supermurder67 2 years ago
What illusion? Just how many people do you think are falsely tricked into pretend happiness? Marxism is the one providing the illusion.
KenMacMillan 2 years ago
Every person that is religious as religion is false, and every person that boast national pride. How is Cultural Marxism providing the illusion, when it is the one doing the critique?
supermurder67 2 years ago
Is english your first language? What are you attacking here, religion or democracy? What makes you think that cultural marxism does nothing but critique? Are you imtv under a different login?
KenMacMillan 2 years ago
Western society, and fake democracy, the front of democracy, but the reality of fascism. What makes you think western culture is so great?
supermurder67 2 years ago
What's great about western society is that it recognizes individual rights, created the middle class, thousands of advances in agriculture, medicine, & technology. People have been more free under western society in the past 200 years than ever before in history. The reality of western society in modern times is that it's highly corrupted by your Frankfurt School of Critical Theory. Nearly all of our problems stem from the fact that we're all victims of your cultural marxism.
KenMacMillan 2 years ago
God you're a moron. You see the name "Marx" and react like a coward. The Critical Theory of the F.S. is not so much about political change as much as an intellectual account influenced by Marx. Even a staunch capitalist can see the value of Marx as a philosopher in the way he relates material conditions to modes of thought. One hadn't need to subscribe to socialism, communism, or anti-capitalism to see the philosophical value in that! You're no victim of cultural Marxism, you're just dim.
lovexsaidxno 2 years ago
bollocks, i love the west. i do what the hell i want everyday and still manage to eat and pay my rent.
soursourapples 2 years ago
Never mind the bollocks.
Here's the Sex Pistols.
ChopstickBrando 2 years ago
Frankfurt School Critical Theory - pure evil.
tothatextent 2 years ago
its what the british education system and government is based on
excandersham 2 years ago
What's so wrong about applying scrutiny to traditional values?
supermurder67 2 years ago
The problem is that they use it to undermine western culture & push us towards dictatorship.
KenMacMillan 2 years ago
Wrong, western culture is dictatorship in disguise. From what I have observed, western culture is nothing to marvel at, in terms of equality.
supermurder67 2 years ago
If you wish to encompass all nations in that statement then you have to take into account that the cultural marxists coming out of this school have been at it since WWI in Germany. Socialism in the American presidency actually goes back to Theodore Roosevelt & the undermining of state sovereignty began with Hamilton. How is the culture itself a dictatorship?
KenMacMillan 2 years ago
Mass production enhances art. Prior to the industrial period, only the rich would come into contact with the best art. Today, however, works by the great masters can be appreciated by all. The conduit for art appreciation are all devices by which were made possible by the Industrial Revolution.
tothatextent 2 years ago
I suppose if nothing else critical theory has one good application. Despite it's whining about capitalism it provides nice ideas about how to make capitalism more efficient! :D
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
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volunteerz 2 years ago
Yes I am aware of this. but Marx was also a reader and admirer of Hegel from which he took the brunt of his ideas regarding the unfurling of history and the goal toward which it was directed.
poetswolf1985 2 years ago
By the way those "2 Jews" MArx and Engels didn't 'create' the communism (actually communism's, since every communist leader puts their own spin on it) to which you refer. Their main goal was to help the proletariat get out from the oppressive captialists. They wanted to HELP mankind. Intellectuals and their philosophies are in themselves harmless. It is the politicians which make them dangerous
poetswolf1985 2 years ago
First of all, you speak as if all Jews are bad. Like any race, there are some good ones and some bad ones. You forget to mention the great Jews who have been writers, painters, artists, etc. and who have only done good for society. Second, you speak as if the Jews planned some grand murder spree killing 8.5 million people, but what about the holocaust which wiped 1/3 of the jews in Europe? Children and women murdered. A petty vengeful god "getting back" at the jews like that isnt worth worship
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titalminarisa 2 years ago
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poetswolf1985 2 years ago
I quit teaching b/c of the privileging of these theories. Departments do not allow opposition. The Jewish nature of the authors should be studied more by someone. Jews (either atheist or Torah-oriented) do not have the same attachment to art as connection with God (some readings of Torah prohibit artistic production). Therefore, art/culture becomes political/mechanized/about money, etc. This is counter to Christianity/Islam, but professors do not know any better. Very narrow.
westchesterny 2 years ago
i, for one, dislike the crit theor.. it unjustifiedly uses abstruse language to put simple and depressive pseudoleftist elitist ideas.
you want "democracised culture production"? surf through youtube, newgrounds and 4chan. i hope you like it.
StruhDaehYm 2 years ago
I love Adorno. I'm going to buy his Aesthetic Theory book at Barnes and Noble tonight. I find Habermas very boring, using too many words to say not much at all. My favorite philosph is Derrida, then Levinas.
vaspers 2 years ago
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mindovermattjr 2 years ago
This is a very good lecture, I think the Frankfurt school is very important to understand.
I believe we can categorize art differently. For Tolstoy, any expression can be art and mass art, the reproducible art, becomes counterfeit art.
This mass art, which now constitutes a large portion of the society of the spectacle and further justifies its existence IS the product of late capitalism.
mindovermattjr 2 years ago
The Frankfurt School has destroyed High Culture and eroded much of Western Civilisation. Look at the garbage that these relativists pass of as "art" and "architecture". It is shame that the founders of the Frankfurt School weren't put into concentration camps when there was a chance.
Counterrevolutionite 2 years ago
What pisses me off is that they actually did this on purpose:
Who will save us from Western Civilization? ~Georg Lukacs, critical theorist and human parasite.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. Marcuse for example argued that the guiding energy behind civilization stemmed from sexual "repression." So what does he do with this? Promotes having orgies so that civilization will fall apart.
Cultural Marxists are self-professed enemies of the state and should be treated accordingly!!
JohananRaatz 2 years ago 6
Birth of the New Left, moral relativism and a whole host of problems which leave a society neutered in morality.
exrock712 2 years ago 3
nice job with these vids, keep it up
SilentmanX3 2 years ago
spinoza, your socialist/communist ways will fail just as they ultimately always do.
GSG17 2 years ago
My British friends have health care because taxes can be increased in Britain. My kids don't because organized groups in America resist tax increases, treating their "private property" as holy. This is wrong, and it shall be changed whether you like it or not.
spinoza1111 2 years ago
My friend in Britain is DYING of cancer because she can't get health care fast enough and the quality is sub par!
Don't be so naive! I thought it was a good thing too until I heard the news..
drewd1987 2 years ago
Absent government, there is no private property. More important, for most people, there is no market and therefore no chance for the poorest of the poor to go to the market to sell what they can.
Therefore, private property is not an absolute.
spinoza1111 2 years ago
"Absent government, there is no private property. "
Not according to Locke. Private property is an a priori necessity to make sense of economics. You need a government to enforce it as a right but it still exists without a government, but just unprotected. If people would learn that they ought not steal what doesn't belong to them we wouldn't need a government to do this either.
"Therefore, private property is not an absolute."
The premise is false and so this conclusion is suspect.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
So John Locke is the main resting point of your argument? If so....hahahahaha
greybird86 2 years ago
No such right exists absent its enforcement. Locke based his philosophy on the false belief that North America was in the 17th century was *terra nullius* when in fact the "virgin" land to which he refers was taken from Native Americans.
We're not talking about what shold be. We're talking about reality. Absent government, Hobbes, and not Locke, was right. Life is nasty, brutish and short.
spinoza1111 2 years ago
Private property is an absolute even if their is no government because it is the only way to make sense of economics. In a sense private property is dependent on the state, but this does not mean that private property is not absolute because it just so happens to turn out that the state is absolute.
See if you got rid of the government and private property the first thing that would happen is a Hobbesian State of Nature. Everyone would fight until equilibrium reappeared and a new state arose.
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WhiteMinority2040 3 years ago
americans talking about theory make it sound less grand
Shanniquitie 3 years ago
Maybe he should start practicing his German accent.
DMPineau 2 years ago
RP would be fine.
Shanniquitie 2 years ago
It's not grand anyway. The whole thing was designed as a way to propagandize to get rid of capitalism. As such it is interesting, but in the end not to be taken seriously.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
What?
greybird86 2 years ago
it's an aesthetic medium, if you have failed to understand that, you might as well be an accountant.
Shanniquitie 2 years ago
yeah! hahaha! that's it baby! ;)
sosyolohiztangrocker 3 years ago
my art is true ,i dont ask anyone to like it.its not for sale.
zeropointemcs 3 years ago
Even if deposing the dictatorship of capital is somehow itself dictatorial; then this does not make the dictatorship of capital any less dictatorial.
According to your definitions, deposing an absolute monarch is similarly dictatorial because it violates the monarch's existing rights to rule over his subjects.
anangryorc 3 years ago
"Even if deposing the dictatorship of capital is somehow itself dictatorial; then this does not make the dictatorship of capital any less dictatorial."
People have a right to "dictatorially" rule over their own stuff. Fucking marxists think otherwise and are willing to destroy all of society to get what they want. That is why they need a bullet in the brain.
JohananRaatz 3 years ago
See any communist experiment (with the exception of perhaps syndicalism or Trotskyism which I have a hard time classifying as communism properly speaking) requires the violation of pre-existing property rights for it to even begin. When you violate someones rights you have to expect that their will be a backlash. To argue that you can separate communism in practice from the counterrevolutions against it is akin to saying that you can rob a bank without the police coming in with guns to stop you.
JohananRaatz 3 years ago 3
You guys can't get around the fact that the expropriation of others property or capital is inherently dictatorial even if it is by majority rule. If the majority votes to take away the minorities wealth that is just a form of tyranny of the majority. Even if the US didn't intervene any expropriation of wealth would still be in violation of others rights and therefore dictatorial in some sense.
JohananRaatz 3 years ago
Look guys if you want to benefit from collectization just adopt a state capitalist or corporatist model like they have in Japan.Class warfare just diminishes the nations overall wealth and makes everyone poorer.Class collaboration especially in the case of western industrialized states like the US is much more rational.If we were to spread all wealth equally throughout the whole world. America's poor would be even poorer now. International communism isn't beneficial to any American rich or poor.
JohananRaatz 3 years ago
you smug reactionary fuck, just have the last word. yr vision of the world is skewed no one could talk a lick of sense into you.
plutoohno 3 years ago
"you smug reactionary fuck, just have the last word. yr vision of the world is skewed no one could talk a lick of sense into you."
So I give a constructive suggestion and this is the response I get? I mean I'm meeting you half way with collectivization that works for all citizens rich and poor alike.
JohananRaatz 3 years ago
Look why experiment with systems that minimize your own "priviledge?" That's pretty idiotic I think. It would make much more sense to experiment with systems that could maximize what you call "priviledge" and expand your nation's national greatness.
JohananRaatz 3 years ago
Are you one a them-thar "conservatives" who, in reality, is a radical nationalist?
I thought so.
bapyou 3 years ago
"Are you one a them-thar "conservatives" who, in reality, is a radical nationalist?
I thought so."
I'm adopt Straussian political philosophy and happen to be a neoconservative yes. But I don't see what's wrong with that.
JohananRaatz 3 years ago
"I don't see what's wrong with (being a neoconservative)."
Of course you wouldn't. But tell me what is right with it?
bapyou 3 years ago
"Of course you wouldn't. But tell me what is right with it?"
Simple the idea was to restore the Socratic/Platonic/Aristotlean tradition of political philosophy by injecting civic virtues such as patriotism back into modern politics. And promoting civic virtue is a good thing.
JohananRaatz 3 years ago
Leo Strauss was a doddering old shitfleck who saw the world through the prism of the fucking 1960s television program 'Gunsmoke' (a western). How much more of a simplistic moron could you possibly admire? Good/evil good/evil white hats/black hats ... like asshole Bush. Strauss is your highest philosophical ideal? What a low bar you have set for yourself. No wonder you're a "neo-conservative" toad. Ugh.
bapyou 2 years ago
That was one of his favorite shows but that doesn't mean he saw the world through that lense.
Have you actually read his stuff? Because he is actually a very deep and nuanced figure. Your portrayal of his view of good/evil black/white is an excellent way of how you have skewed his thinking. He understands nuance exists but ALSO understands that conceptions of good and evil must exist to maintain a proper society.
Neocon toad eh? Better than a cretinous cultural marxist toad I guess. Puke!
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
Leo Strauss. What a low intellectual bar.
bapyou 2 years ago
OH COME ON! If you want to play that game I can incredibly easily point out just how stupid the critical theorists were. Adorno committed a blatant Bulverism fallacy with his "Authoritarian Personality" nonsense for example. Most of the crits only ever whine about a structure of morality or justice as a "system of oppression" and then seek to "liberate" themselves from it without stopping to bother to try the hard part of actually putting together any objective substitute. Take about low brow!
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
"Philosophers have interpreted the world in various ways, the point however is to change it." ~Marx
Marxism clearly is not concerned with studying the world for it's own sake but rather with recreating it.
I'm sorry but there are some things you can't change. Sure you can steal property from its rightful owners, but you can never make said behavior just -no matter how much sophistry about "economic justice" you pile onto it.
At the end of the day. My property is still rightfully mine!
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
Marxism not concerned with studying the world as it is?
What complete crud. Seeing the world as it is is about all Marxism does. What YOU don't like about Marxism is it sees the economic world EXACTLY as it has been constructed: as a fixed game.
bapyou 2 years ago
"Marxism not concerned with studying the world as it is?"
Well yes, it looks at it as it is, except in it's analysis of morality and justice then it is completely irrational. As for the rest it sees it as it is, but then uses that knowledge for completely wrong ends.
If you've studied Strauss at all, and/or any of the work of his students you'd understand that the proper approach would be a Marxian analysis of reality but combined with an understanding that capitalism is correct.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
BTW I'm middle class, but in global terms that would mean I still be more on the side of the American upper class.
There's a test I saw online a few years back where you were asked questions about your lifestyle. Based on that it would then tell you how many planets we would have to live on if everyone were to live like you. For me it was about 6 planets.
So this whole goal of indiscriminate economic equality across the planet is obviously nonsense unless we want to live in a 3rd world dump.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
The explanations of a self-satisfied imperialist.
bapyou 2 years ago
And your point? If that was meant to disprove those explanations then I'm sorry to disappoint you but all you've done is engage in the Bulverism fallacy. My being a "self-satisfied imperialist" has nothing to do with the validity of my arguments. I may however add that self-satisfaction often occurs when someone has found an explanation that makes sense.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
You being a self-satisfied imperialist has EVERYTHING to do with the ideals you promote.
Nice talking with you, self-satisfied imperialist. Change your username. You've influenced me to a degree so low, it would not be possible to measure.
bapyou 2 years ago
My being who I am predetermines the validity of my argument, eh? If you had taken a logic class you would understand why that argument is patently fallacious right from the beginning. Ok, I have a suggestion. For starters, google the words "Bulverism" and "fallacy."
BTW an appeal to emotion such as in your last comment is also not logical.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
Yes, you are a self-satisfied imperialist. Every one of your arguments supports American imperialism. Milton Freidman was an economic advisor to the murderous Augusto Pinochet; a man placed in power following the CIA's assassination of a democratically elected President.
Honestly, I don't have the time to straighten out every single one of your misconceptions. I have a life. I have to pay my capitalist land owner the absorbitant rent for the dismal apartment in which I reside.
bapyou 2 years ago
"Yes, you are a self-satisfied imperialist. Every one of your arguments supports American imperialism."
So? And your point?
"economic advisor to the murderous Augusto Pinochet"
Yeah who was put in place to remove an even more dangerous regime. I'm sorry to say it but sometimes you need to support the bad guy to avoid the worse guy.
"CIA's assassination of a democratically elected"
They went about it in a flawed way but what other means would you suggest for correcting democratic failures?
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
The CIA went about assassinating Salvador Allende in a "flawed way"? Considering that Allende was killed, I'd say it was a relatively unflawed assassination.
And, when someone is elected to office democratically, how, exactly is that a "democratic failure"?
You know very little about this.
bapyou 2 years ago 2
No, I meant couped Chile in a flawed way. There are ways to coup countries without killing anyone.
"And, when someone is elected to office democratically, how, exactly is that a "democratic failure"?"
If the person elected to office violates democratic principles (classical liberalism). A democratic failure is when a democracy misbehaves.
In the case of Chile, democracy would have them go communist, but we can't let a nation go communist just because it's people are irresponsible.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
First of all,who the hell made you "responsible" to say which country should have what