The paradox of knowledge society - Talking to Hiroshi Tasaka

[Mysteryskatin]

I find it hard to understand the significance of knowledge if you're not in a field that requires it.

For instance, I work for the DNR. I cut trees and mow grass. Of what use is knowledge to me? Yet I cannot help but be attracted by it, especially political philosophy and physics. Though the more I learn, the more alienated I feel.

For instance, when I realized I didn't believe in God, and that, in hindsight, I never really did. It was kind of depressing.

[noxure]

@Mysteryskatin You feel alienated because you don't share the same interests as most people in your social environment. That's normal, and it's not your fault.

Try to find another social environment. We are social animals, we need people who we can communicate with on the same level.

[MrJmazing1]

) In short...I disagree.

[MrJmazing1]

knowledge is always a spring board for action and goal accomplishment. Every individuals innate human need to gain perspective through unique perception is incorporated in us and that search,along with the will to want to search, will never lose value. Free knowledge is not executive to knowledge presented with wisdom delivered in a succinct way such as from a teacher or learned individual. Quality proprietary knowledge is not going anywhere, so this is a rebel statement he presents. (Comically

[rusioblew]

gooooooooooooooood

[wizard85]

I sense EGO tripping, as usual on youtube comments section

[lupresti]

YOU ARE A GENIUS I LOVE YOUR BRAIN : )

[deceiver123m]

excellent interview

[Alientraveler003]

Verry Verry cool

[kagasan2008]

What if the "wisdom of the crowd" is "Get rid of..." Jews, Muslims, Christians, atheists, liberals, conservatives, people with blue eyes, or so on?

[musikmanea]

From the beginning of creation the only thing mans intellect and wisdom has ever accomplished is leading mankind away from the source of life and true wisdom. It is the reliance of man on himself that is shown in this present system of things and it is clearly seen to be evil and only continues to perpetuate this evil. Jesus Christ died so that we can once again come to the Father of all creation and receive His wisdom and His life. Come back to your Maker, learn what true freedom is.

[noxure]

Wisdom of crowds is a dangerous concept.  While the internet leads to more and faster innovations in the scientific and engineering community, it also has the same effect on pseudo-sciences, religious fanaticism and all sorts of manipulation.

It's not like a collective mind automatically is going to generate great ideas, it can/will also generate unimaginably stupid ideas.

[mrcogllrdo]

@noxure I agree. Though I also believe the internet should be a place where people can express their ideas, I also think there's a limit on what is allowed to be expressed. The obvious exceptions to what can be expressed is thoughts of homicide, homicide for religious purposes, promotion of violence in general, promotion of suicide, or promotion of beliefs through tactics of fear. These ideas are stupid in the sense they can harm the survival rate of human beings.

[BloodW0rx2]

@noxure True, but on the internet all ideas are open to intelligible scrutiny, if an idea doesn't stand on it's own two feet it gets crushed down even more so than pre internet days. The truth comes through, it just takes a while for the crap to get funnelled away to a dank corner where the nutters can sit self obsessed and wanking over their ludicrous ideas like their imaginary friends

[StrikaAmaru]

An often ignored bit of "wisdom of the crowds" is that the members of the crowds must also be very well-educated in general and about the question you ask; if this isn't respected, _of course_ the result will be a pile of garbage.

[noxure]

@StrikaAmaru Well actually the subject is irrelevant as long as there is enough neuro-diversity in your "crowd". It's not because you are an educated person, or even an expert on a certain subject that you can offer the best solution to a certain problem.

A "crowd source" is often more intelligent than the smartest individual in that group. It's what we call a "super-system".

The problem is that sometimes it just isn't and then we call it "war", "genocide", "famine", or a "financial crisis".

[FreePress1000]

@noxure So glad you said that. Too many people seem to have the idea lately,that shared knowledge & ideas are better. I disagree, - too many cooks spoil the broth and how big was the crowd fooled by the kings new clothes?

[zimij325]

Imagination and reflection lead to new knowledge. This is where creation of novelty leads one to the realization that all we are chasing is control or freedom from it. Did I mention magnetism? We must learn how to learn how everything is connected from the cosmos to the toilet...now flush...bye@@@@@@

[mrcogllrdo]

@zimij325 Oh man! You were going on a streak too.

[Ashitakaandsan]

Great, one correction, capital is NOT just money. Though what he's saying about knowledge capitalism is a good extension...

[SFFSMESSiah777]

knowledge capitalism= make money off of knowledge

money= food

[SFFSMESSiah777]

there is a difference between wisdom and knowledge. As information is interpreted and refined into "knowledge", more people will indeed "know" more. The egalitarian shift in development will perhaps redefine knowledge to mean not only "what there is", but rather "what can be". thus, "True knowledge" may become even more valuable, and even more potent, because to differentiate and make itself relevant, the knowledge must become more influential to garner enough support to make it stand out.

[noocher84]

Also I can't tell if this guy id honest or not.

[noocher84]

Knowledge and Intelligence show you how to build the atom hydrogen nuclear bomb. Wisdom within tells you not to use it and the uselessness of such pursuits. I love you

[mrcogllrdo]

@noocher84 Wisdom is actually a branch of knowledge. Get your facts straight. The knowledge you are referring to is academic knowledge as well. You also do know that in order to be wise you must also be intelligent, since wisdom is formed by understanding your experiences. The main difference between academic knowledge and personal knowledge is that academic knowledge can be gleamed off of textbooks. Wisdom can tell you that violence is good, while ethics says it's bad.

[deceiver123m]

@mrcogllrdo violence is good? sounds too new world order for my taste, i guess ill have to watch out for you wise asses out there trying to convince me the opposite of good things are the truly good things. Whats next?, Your going to tell me the banks need a further bail out for my financial security?

[mrcogllrdo]

@deceiver123m

Obviously somebody did not read into the context of my replies. Since your first sentence is stupid and ignorant--and the rest of your argument is dependent on your first sentence--the rest of your argument is invalid.

I did not state violence is good. I was providing an example. If somebody gets what they want through the utilization of violence, then to them it's good. That DOES fit the definition of wisdom, since wisdom is someone's personal accumulated knowledge.

[mrcogllrdo]

@deceiver123m

Refer to google if you're too stupid to know its definition. SOCIETY'S view states otherwise; ethics tell us that it's wrong to kill, or to use people, for your own self-benefit. If you don't agree with that then you should be the person the WHOLE world should look out for.

[mrcogllrdo]

@deceiver123m

The biggest stupidity to your post is how I MYSELF STATE VIOLENCE IS STUPID. It's not today's posts, but if you were intelligent enough to look at my other posts then it would be this one:

[deceiver123m]

@mrcogllrdo okay good point.

[mrcogllrdo]

@deceiver123m

@noxure I agree. Though I also believe the internet should be a place where people can express their ideas, I also think there's a limit on what is allowed to be expressed. The obvious exceptions to what can be expressed is thoughts of homicide, homicide for religious purposes, promotion of violence in general, promotion of suicide, or promotion of beliefs through tactics of fear. These ideas are stupid in the sense they can harm the survival rate of human beings.

[noocher84]

@mrcogllrdo I interpret wisdom as a beacon of complete righteousness. At times unattainable. To use Knowledge for negative is pretty bad - I agree. I believe there is innocence when hinting/hunting new frontiers. Its the repeated use after the negative effects are felt. This I would consider the realm of un-wisdom. I ask - what came first the kind act of a man or the study of ethics and branches of the tree of knowledge? I speak in ideal ways. There are 6 billion plus here on this planet. THINK

[mrcogllrdo]

@noocher84 Ah, but "righteousness" is defined by actions adhering to moral principles. A question is then wrought from the definition: who placed the moral principles? That would be from the individual--or the majority in a community--themselves. There is no inherent sense of what is right or wrong; we can only experience and learn. I was a little bit unclear on my comment about wisdom, such that it can tell someone that violence is good. If they get what they desired then violence works.

[mrcogllrdo]

@noocher84 We can't "know" that something is good or bad; we can only rely on our experiences, since it's our only source of information. But alas, experiences are unique to each individual. Thus our view of what is considered as "good" or "bad" is also unique. It's these slight differences in views that nonetheless prove that there is no defined system of morality in each individual. Therefore if you are going to label things as "bad" or "wrong" then you have to state your system of morality.

[mrcogllrdo]

@noocher84 Additional tips: Using "negative" to describe how knowledge can be used for purposes that are detrimental towards humans is frowned upon. It's not very professional. Not to mention that "un-wisdom" isn't even a word and is confusing. As towards your question; neither. The man's first act was to breathe :P While men had to act in kind ways before making up ethics, you still proved my point; the act of kindness WAS INDIVIDUALLY DONE. I am guessing the "act of kindness" was based on help

[mrcogllrdo]

@noocher84 In terms of helping others towards their survival. While I also know you are trying to define borders as to what is "good" and "bad", it's not something that you can teach children; you have to SHOW them the difference. You would also have to infringe upon their free will since 1) the system of morality you would propose to them from come entirely from your efforts and 2) following from point 1, you would have to enforce the following of your laws/moral principles.

[mrcogllrdo]

@noocher84 Other than forced obedience, the morality system instilled amongst humans will always be in disarray, since there will always be differences in opinions. Ones opinion on what's right and wrong is unique; they are NOT the same as others. This is something natural and innate; you would have to use force to even try changing that particular aspect of humans' nature. That's why it always annoys me when people try to differentiate between what's good and bad; you simply can't.

[mrcogllrdo]

@noocher84 So ones sense of morality is heavily interrelated with ones sense of wisdom. That's why "wisdom" in itself does not teach individuals that bombs are bad; only others' sense of wisdom that CONFORM to society's system of ethics can be claimed as "wise". While I for one commend the system of ethics within American society--well, for some exceptions such as vengeance and how justice is served to its criminals--, it would do you well to remember that opinions of wisdom are HEAVILY biased.

[mrcogllrdo]

@noocher84 So that image of the wizened old man who knows everything is not necessarily wise unless they also agree to the norms placed by the majority in the society they live in. If they don't then you know what their other title is; that old quack who lives down the street.

I can assure you that I am thinking. I've been thinking for what appears to me to have been a long time. My rebuttal is this; clearly you have been thinking as well.

[mrcogllrdo]

@noocher84 But I wonder; have you ever thought before without societal restraints? Are you willing to relieve yourself of your old preconceived notions of how society runs? There is a limit on how far one can think from only one perspective. If you want to to learn more then you have to be willing to criticize your own beliefs from different perspectives. However, you can only adopt different perspectives if you give up everything, raze down your old ideology. I'll end this here.

[mrcogllrdo]

@noocher84 Meh. At least I tried. I don't think you're trying to advocate for wisdom, per say. Rather, I think you're really just trying to advocate for UNDERSTANDING between humans. If understanding can be bridged between people then the possibility of violence lessens.

[mrcogllrdo]

@noocher84 If you can convince people that hurting themselves is stupid--while convincing them that people feel the same things that other people feel--then people most likely won't hurt others, since there will be individuals who can understand on some primitive ground that hurting others equates to hurting themselves--if they place themselves in others' shoes. Of course, there will always be those group of people who don't care and rather take pleasure from hurting others. Free will's a b!tch

[mrcogllrdo]

@noocher84 Ultimately it's the manner in which you use your knowledge in general that counts. Knowledge and intelligence is the primary reason why you live to be up to 80, or how you can have cars that can take you to far away places. Actually, without knowledge you would have no computer, and most likely you would be dead since your parents didn't know enough to teach you that deep end of pools are deadly for non-swimmers, or that swallowing a fork is bad.

[noocher84]

@mrcogllrdo I agree. Completely. I survived the deep END but the forks get stuck - still. Thank you for your interest in the comment.

[D33veeoss]

@noocher84 I thought wisdom says, "whoever builds it first will be safe from whoever else might have the same idea."

[SREproducciones]

@noocher84 Wisdom tells you you can make a nuclear plant with the same material, and help save the environment.

[RvNYC]

Knowledge Capitalism? You can't feed your kids with it.

Money is a trading tool. You can exchange it for food and a home. This can not be replaced by mere thought games.

[sorochepics]

See? It's about wisdom. Your're losing the big picture.

[RvNYC]

Four wise men in a tent. Each in turn said they were hungry and so argued the meaning of hunger.

A month later they were all found dead.

Seems they failed to see the Wisdom in leaving the tent to plant food.

[uch]

but doenst knwldge also means skill, that comes throgh expeirnce and application...of whihc tehre is no substitue

[tige55]

Just to clarify; You can look up online that an aeroplane flys by creating lift with its wings. Thats the easy part, but you need to really take time and study to understand how it does create lift. By studying at a flight college I know that due to the camber of a airfoil it creates a low area of pressure on top of the wing and due to the pressure differential between the top and bottom lift is created. And thats a pretty basic explaination. Theres still angle of attack, center of pressure etc.

[tige55]

When he says knowledge well lose value, he is saying we do not need to work as hard to obtain information. Just look it up on a laptop, but really information is useless unless you understand it completely. So I partly disagree with his statement. Information will "lose value" become easier to access but understanding that information well still take time to study the ins and outs of this. information.

[wennetvideo]

great positive thoughts, will keep them with me all day, thanks for an amazing video!

[danniet31]

He is also stating that capitalism will change due to the internet with the sharing of knowledge and wisdom .. that whoever scoups up this change of policy in their mindset will be the ones who will be the next ones to take charge of capitalism in the world. Hmmm ... almost like You Tube and other places .. the gathering of minds in their thinking and videos .. so I have to say it .. You Tube is right on target with this one and change. Its about the many and not the one yet the one is the many.

[danniet31]

He is using the correct words .. he is very precise .. this is an awesome video as it explains beyond normal thinking as a scientist would explain it .. as everyone knows this is the information age already but what he is saying is something to be added in depth to that .. a Knowledge capitalism world .. when something floods the market it becomes cheaper .. knowledge will become information and dis information .. he states that it will become huge business and people can manipulate society.

[arhetton]

he is using the word knowledge where we would probably use the word information, and using the word wisdom where we would probably use the word knowledge.

Essentially he is talking about the "knowledge economy". Knowledge industries etc. This is one idea about the structure of a post industrial society.

[webdiver]

This video is not about "knowledge losing any value"! What he points out by refering to wisdom is that only usefully applied knowledge is good knowledge - hence wisdom.

His most interesting point is actually on "knowledge capitalism" as a new concept that will compete with the traditional concept of financial capitalism - which again actually strengthens the relevance of knowledge

[Engelfonseca]

Buenisimo...