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Conflict exists by people's misunderstanding the difference between DISEASE and DIS-EASE. Chiropractic doesn't treat nor cure any disease, but vertebral subluxations are the main causa of all dis-ease. Altered physiology, disharmony, imbalance, etc. in other words: HEALTH.
Drugs only ATTEMPT to treat the sypmtoms that one experiences. They do not treat the cause of the symptoms. Not to mention I've yet to see a drug that doesn't have numerous side effects. This is where Chiropractic care trumps all other medicine. It treats the cause of disease by adjusting the spine, which restores nerve flowage to the damaged area, thus allowing the body to heal itself naturally.
Vaccinations, chemotherapy, radiation, drugs, etc, are all worthless. Vaccinations don't do shit. Research what a vaccine is made of. I will never vaccinate my own children. If you think I am hurting them by doing so, I pity you. Chemo and radiation are pathetic and have killed many of my relatives. Cancerous cells thrive in acidic environments, so why would one inject themselves with poisonous acid? It also weakens the immune system drastically, making it impossible to fight the cancer off.
The science of chiropractic is so clear and obvious to me I do not see how any person with logic could denounce it. Before making any attacks on chiropractic you must go and research it yourself. Read up on it! I was skeptical myself. I have spent countless hours researching and been fascinated at what chiro can do. Obviously medical care can be extremely beneficial in case of emergency. Otherwise, medicine and Big Pharma are all about making a ton of money.
When chiropractic practice is used in medical studies as a 'drug' replacement the evidence is severely lacking. Unfortunately this is where the bulk of medical studies has been focused for the past 100 years. Chiropractic focuses on the nervous system and freeing the nerve flow. But when you study chiropractic over the long term the evidence is overwhelmingly positive. Where medicine is looking for a quick fix chiropractic is a lifestyle change that will add life to your years.
Well said. Chiropractic and Medicine not only have different approaches but also different objectives. Therefore, to make a study with a chiropractic approach having a medical objective in mind is pointless.
If chiropractic has any long-term goal other than health care, quality of life, and general being (as these are the goals of medicine), please come forward with them.
The medical approach from outside-in is to treat/prevent disease is it not? Last time I checked health is not merely the absence of disease. Hence, medicare (although extremely necessary - I am not anti-medical) should be refered to as disease-care. This is where the difference is. The goal of medicine is focused on the disease/symtoms, where the goal chiropractic is on promoting health, by having the master control of the body working properly in reguting all body functions as a unit.
Long term goals of chiropractic is health and wellness, maintenance of health and wellness or rather preservation of the natural functions of the human body which is designed by nature to self regulate via the CNS. the anti-chiropractic mindset you harbor is based on a gross misunderstanding of chiropractics overall intent. the last thing I want to do as a chiropractor is give a drug to treat a disease, that I will gladly leave to the MD, who is magnificent in a crisis situation.
the key phrase here is non-chiropractic. As Chiropractic is an exception to medical practice as established by the medical practice act of 1913, any medical view point is mute. Medicine treats disease and symptoms with drugs and surgery were chiropractic does not treat disease at all. the focus of a chiropractor is the restoration of the CNS which is key to self regulation of the body. Health and Wellness are the goals of Chiropractic.
then you can't produce any non-anecdotal evidence?
Again, there is no evidence that "restoration of the CNS" provides any benefit at all, particularly for the individual who is NOT EVEN SICK IN THE FIRST PLACE!!
second, if you think that medicine does not embrace non-pharmacological, non-surgical treatments then you are completely and utterly blinded by the alternativism of your silly profession.
Anecdotal evidence? We have research that your 'species' will not acknowledge. You insist on using my professions methods of care in the same way someone uses a drug which is to treat a specific symptom. Silly profession? tell that to the 95% patient satisifaction rating you moron.
First, there are few if any studies regarding chiropractic, particularly positive out comes, published in a Medical Peer-reviewed journal. Given the history of medicines anti-chiropractic mantra this does not surprise me. Considering the efforts of the AMA to contain and eliminate chiropractic from 1966 to 1980 and the damage done to chiropractics reputations as a result the strong emotional conflicts do not lend themselves to non-emotional exchanges where reason and objectivity play a role.
Why did the AMA have to resort to illegal methods to contain and eliminate chiropractic? Why was a permanent injunction handed down to the AMA for illegal restraint of trade of a competitor? If chiropractic were so awful or inconsequential then logic would suggest it would be a self limiting profession. Yet in spite of over a century of highly dubious behavior by the Medical profession aimed at destroying chiropractic we have flourished. Well over 700K have died in a year at medical hands.
The AMA, along with Medicine, is concerned with supporting evidence-based science. This means that anything that can be strongly shown to be effective will be endorsed. This is why acupuncture has been embraced by the medical community and many practitioners are in fact completing extra training in it - many trials have found acupuncture to be efficacious. Chiropractic is not evidence based. There is no good evidence to support its efficacy. Until you provide such evidence you will be pushed to
Evidence based medicine is limited to symptom relief. Treat a symptom with a drug the symptom goes away. That is what you call evidence based. Chiropractic has been around for 114 years as an accredited profession and you guys in all that time have not found an original attack format. It has never changed. However, the silly theories were first addressed by Hippocrates 2500 years ago and studied via observational application. "Look well to the spine for the cause of disease" Hippocrates.
Look, there are plenty of your colleagues who understand the idea behind chiropractic. the mantra you are clearly dealing with is propaganda based. Chiropractic was never a threat to medicine because quite frankly I don't want your job. Heaven forbid I ever have to give a proctology exam, no thank you. this pissing contest started when people began realizing that chiropractic actually achieved results. chiropractic is an ongoing study, any practice is.
Again I ask: what results? Even when you look through chiropractic journals and articles, the studies performed are so biased and flawed that it is actually insulting. Things like "chiropractic an effective treatment for cerebral palsy" with a sample size of 1 who enjoyed some alleviation of minor symptoms, or "Successful chiropractic treatment of gastritis" with a sample size of 2 kids, who quite obviously just resolved their infection by themselves while the "treatment" was occurring.
In my first month of practice I had two cases of asthma ease up, after six months they quit filling their prescriptions for inhalers because they hadn't used the inhalers already in hand. Do not make the mistake by thinking that I treated them for asthma, I cleared out their spinal subluxations and the body did the rest. Note that this did not occur in a day or a week. the progressive benefit of chiropractic takes time. Migraines 98% of my migraine patients do not suffer migraines any more
The progressive benefit of chiropractic takes time because you are interested in bringing patients back as much as possible so that you can get more money out of them. Meanwhile, recovery from the disease takes place and the patient naturally gets better.
Don't kid yourself. There is no scientific basis to cause of disease from nerve impingement nor cure from disease via spinal adjustments.
My purpose is not to piss down your back. I want someone to understand the purpose of chiropractic and not put foolish barriers up to prohibit its helping people get well. As far as proof, yes there are many studies and I'm afraid I'm correct in stating that your profession has gone to great lengths to suppress the studies or to dilute them so that they lose their impact. Hopefully you can understand where my anger and frustration come from.
What Hippocrates meant is open to interpretation. It's just like the Bible - if we took that literally (and alot of people unfortunately do), we would stone people to death for collecting sticks on a sunday. Likewise, Hippocrates could just have been referring to the spinal cord, brain and brainstem as the central hub of the body's nervous system and hence pain. You can read it any way you like.
There is also a lot of evidence that between 700,000 and 800,000 people were killed by medical mistakes in the last 12 months. Nearly 8 million people have died in the past 10 years because of medical mistakes. Chiropractic has virtually no death rate. As far as chiropractic evidence there is plenty. The medical/pharmaceutical establishment does not allow in air time or print space. Chiropractic is an exception to medical practice. Two diametrically opposed paradigms.
People die in the hands of medical doctors because they were going to die anyway. True, medical error exists, but this is because medicine is so often given such little room to work with that any small human mistake has dire consequences. Like resuscitating a person in cardiac arrest: 1mg of adrenaline too much and the patient can die, yet doctors can often only estimate how much the patient needs. Please don't go quoting statistics you don't understand.
People died because they were going to die anyway? the numbers cited were people 'not' in danger of dying and died because of medical intervention. You mustn't delude yourself in such a way, it isn't healthy. Drugs are over utilized because of over exuberant marketing. Tens of billions of dollars are spent 'advertising' not quite a billion is spent on R& D. I believe that there is a gross disparity in priority in the Pharmaceutical industries scheme. You are a product of that process
So doctors kill 800K people a year who otherwise wouldn't have died. That is a complete and utter lie. You are a misinformed, idiotic zealot whose career is nothing but a waste of time.
Death by Medicine is a compilation of mortality rates which spanned a ten year period. Reports that are required by law for hospitals and other major institutions to make. However, these reports are not to a 'person' but rather a computer terminal in another state. The letter of the law has been satisfied with that method of mortality rate reporting.
Funny how people who have never been to a chiropractor and know NOTHING about it have so many opinions. I know non-chiropractic doctors who have not only been responsible for insurance-filing fraud, they actually KILL people. I would still be in a wheel chair if not for a chiropractor, and I highly recommend them.
That is not unusual, the ignorant often fool themselves into thinking they know more than they do. Mds have been told for nearly 100 years that their shit doesn't stink and than anyone else who does a better job than they do is clearly doing it incorrectly as the medical model they operate under was designed as a disease model where corporations make a killing treating diseases that are not supposed to be cured because it is more profitable for a patient to linger on his or her death bed.
Chiropractors are not medical "doctors". The allopathic model is responsible for (at least) 700,000 deaths in the USA every year. We can not afford more doctoring like that! Our "health care" system is in the same boat as our banking system last year. The numbers tell the story.
Talk about what you know, NOT what you think! Take a look at their curriculumn, they take the same classes that MD's take and in some areas more...they are most definitely Doctors!
Regardless, even if what you said was true and you did do more coursework than us, the content of your curriculum is based on bogus theories which have no good evidence to work or, at the very least, be more effective than physiotherapy. Claims that chiropractors can prevent/cure things like the common cold etc are simply lies and ought to be outlawed.
Actually, the content of the curriculumn is based on the same fundamentals as the medical model, and taught by PhD's too. Now unless you're prepared to discuss the actual statistical research and vouch for the individual results of chiropractic care, maybe you should back off such rediculously sweeping generalizations.
Ernst, E (2008).Chiropractic:A crit. evaluation.Journ of pain and sympt managt,35(5).
Thompson Coon, J etal (2005).A syst review of the economic evaluation of complementary and alternative medicine.Perfusion 18(202). - a great analysis of the worthlessness of chiropractic and chiropractic education.
As for chiropractic "care":
Johnson et al (2006) Adverse effect assoc. with spinal manip. in children: a sys review. Conference abstracts:CARE program.52(53).
I'm sorry, I've mistaken you for a rational professional, no need to respond. You are simply an ass that has no desire to accept or acknowledge reality. The Bible says the Jews won't accept Christ as savior until the 2nd coming and you are just as foolish. Here's a reference for ya Wilks v/s AMA. Perhaps when you find yourself in the shoes of our patients who can't get relief from the medical model, I hope you find relief from those bogus articles.
Wilks vs. AMA is not a peer-reviewed journal article, it was a court case.
Those "bogus" articles are not only peer-reviewed, but they are published in esteemed journals. Further, if you read them you would find that they are quite sound studies which refute many of the claims you "professionals" make.
It was an illegal effort by the AMA. Why? You are either an old white hair lost in the old thoughts of the past or a young punk unable to generate an original thought. Studies are your only fall back argument. We have studies you have not published. We have studies a full century of studies, all in our favor and all of them suppressed by your profession. Esteemed Journals? Your Esteem friend is bought and paid for by the pharmaceutical industry who pays for air time to suppress the truth
Thank G-D chiropractic doctors are not medical "doctors'. Chiropractic doctoral candidates take the same but more courses than medical doctoral candidates.
RE: "chiros take more courses than doctors" comment(s): this is just not true. MD training persists well after the doctor has finished his/her degree, depending on which specialty they wish to go into. For example, to become a fully-fledged spinal surgeon or sports doctor specializing in the spine say, you are looking at 12-15 years training including Med school. Chriopractors train at "chiro school" for six years at the most.
After medical school MD's are paid professionals. While they recieve training in their field of specialty they are paid a salary.
Like MD's, DC's can complete diplomat programs in orthopedics, neurology, pediatrics, sports physician, while not being paid a handsome salary. To maintain licensure, they must complete annual continuing education credits.
Since we exceed your medical education by 139 hours, do not kill people even when we screw up, your opinion is inconsequential. It is clear that you feel threatened by chiropractors, many of your predecessors did and conducted themselves in the most amoral fashion to achieve illegal objectives. In 114 years Chiropractic has no appreciable death rate, 95% of chiropractic patients love their care, get results and improve life style with regular visits. Hell you might need an adjustment
I do feel threatened by chiropractors, insofar as there is a small, but very real, association between cervical manipulation and cerebro-vascular accident (CVA), and that many of your patients entrust problems in you that they shoul be going to a medical doctor for.
I have dealt with you claim about having more education than us (which I don't think is entirely true, by the way) before.
CVA is so very rare, particularly when a chiropractor is adjusting the cervical spine. In 85 years of service in chiropractic none of my family members ever created such an event. However, since we are evaluating risk, why does your malpractice outpace mine...because even when I make a mistake nobody dies, whereas with you...one fuck up = potential death.
"CVA is so rare..chiro is adjusting" - how do you know this? CVAs can occur days to weeks after the initial trauma to the vertebral blood vessels! I have been in the E.D. a number of times (3 times in six years) when the patient who has had a stroke admitted they had been treated by a chiropractor in the past month. When we do an MRI we see massive cerebral artery trauma that has got progressively worse since the adjustment.
Do you watch football? Are you familiar with a 'facemask' penalty? If CVA were so common as you have been told every NFL lineman would have died after his first season. Most CVA are mythical. You are hearing politics made policy. If your limited understanding of chiropractic is not addressed you will soon be sorely disappointed.
Most CVA are mythical?Now I've heard it all.Have you ever been to an E.D.?Here's the long and the short of it: in rare circumstances,a cervical rotation can sever the vertebral artery.This can happen in car accidents,football games and chiropractic adjustments.Usually, the lesion is fixed biologically via a coagulation cascade.However,if a clot formed is large enough and not broken down,it can travel to the brain and lodge -->CVA.This, like transient myocardial infarcs,can take days to weeks
Let me correct that most chiropractic induced CVA are mythical. This was the product of a long ago debunked study that originated in 1974 when the AMA was going out of its way to 'exterminate' chiropractic. That study fomented a great deal of fear but has no validity. Though long debunked its been reprinted numerous times by persons seeking to discredit chiropractic care. We have won this case in court many times in the past several decades. Your blaming us for arterial dissection is weak
First if a chiropractor ever caused a stroke it was an immediate issue. not a month later. Consider this if an injury or dissection occurs death would occur within hours of the event. IF and only if and injury such as you suggest did occur but did not result in death the healing process would have repaired the damage in a matter of days and certainly within a month. You are not being informed accurately. How long does it take for a cut to heal?
You are not being informed accurately. IF chiropractic were truly causing such injuries the entire profession would have ceased to exist before1920 and my malpractice would have long ago out paced yours. We do not have billions to spend on media attention. You have the benefit of a benefactor willing to spend tens of billions keeping your ego satisfied through laudable media attention giving you a false sense of and earth bound deity.
My principal objection to chiropractic is not that it can cause CVA.Rather(and I have said this again and again) that there is no good evidence to suggest that chiropractic is a beneficial practice of health care with a strong scientific basis.I also object to the fact that people are so convinced by chiro that they choose chiro of medicine,without knowing/understanding that this can be bad for them.
This was never a question of ego.You have accused me of arrogance because I have challenged you.
My main objection to your opinion is that it is inaccurate. If chiropractic had no basis is science or physiology for that matter the profession would have self limited. Science when it comes to physiology cannot as defined apply, especially when it comes to medicine. E.R. procedures have tons of benefit. Scientific theory must undergo scientific examination under laboratory conditions in order to remove variables. No lab on earth can duplicate the complexity of human physiology.
If human physiology cannot be duplicated scientific methods of study have to be truncated to address this issue. no amount of scientific study can be 'scientific' in outcome due to biochemical individuality. No two people respond the same to a given set of procedures at the biochemical level, this is why so many people die at the hands of medicine. Chiropractic study has been long term and based on validated, proven human physiology. It has been proven valid many times.
Needle EMGs have proven that pressure on a nerve interferes with nerve impulse generation, which in tern has been proven to interfere with cellular function which in turn interferes with organ or system function. I have accused you of arrogance because you have blasted my profession with dogmatic nonsense that has been spewed forth for over a century. A waste of time? Migraine patients would disagree with you as to that statement.
Humility, grasshopper, humility. You must learn to be humble before the creator lest thou suffer his wrath. You are a young recent MD grad student. your eagerness to prove the world 'wrong' before your fledgling knowledge is incredible. Remember the practice is exactly that practice. If ever we perfect our art it will then become a performance and we shall become arrogant and dangerous, much like yourself.
I must apologize for letting my ego and my temper infiltrate this forum. I am a third generation DC. I grew up on the receiving end of a lot of ignorance, even as kids. The boycott as we now the AMA effort didn't target just the DCs in practice they went after the wives and the kids in order to stem the proliferation of chiropractic. Perhaps you agree with that effort but chiropractic has proven itself many times over in both study form as well as results. My frustration is severe.
Essential hypertension is a fast heart with high systolic and diastolic pressures...That is caused by the upper cervical most often and usually atlas but if the patient has a condyle, C2 or 5th lumbar major, these upper cervical chiropractors are worthless. If you adjust the atlas in a patient with high blood pressure but not hypertension...The blood pressure gets worse! A REAL chiro must be able to adjust ANY bone in the spine with the same specificity these UC docs adjust an atlas with.
"I f any of you haters want to know what scientific literature says about chiropractors go to my channel DrJDavid. Before you try to comment be aware that you may need more than two neurons firing at the same time to comprehend the message.I challenge ANY to defy the truth. Bring it on Mr. P.T.M.D. whatever education you think you have. Anybody can have an opinion. Treating opinions as facts is ridiculous. Come check it out.....I DARE YOU"
I support this technique. This can work for so much more than this. Have yourself checked before you have an obvious problem. When your discs are thick and healthy you wont spend as much and your health will be better of in the long run.The fewer the adjustments the better. Keep appointments to be sure you are maintaining proper brain memory. Upper cervical specific care only, this is not a simple manipulation this is repositioning the atlas so the nerves dont rub up against the atlas bone.
Having your self cheaked for spinal imbalances is the best thing you could possibly could do, before you are crying in pain or get a doctors diagnosis. Whoever should be an upper cervical specific only care doctor.
A traumatic Birth can cause the atlas to shift for off center to pivot, tilt in a multiple amount of ways. There is no disc between the atlas and the axis. The nerves are front to back and side to side of this atlas bone. and then when you consider the atlas is the most unstable bone in the body, you have a recipe for a problem to occur with a traumatic birth. and if not then rapid acceleration of the head will potentially cause obvious problem later in life.
Medical doctors are in no way authorities on chiropractic. Why on earth are they asking an md about chiropractic (physiologic) issues? This is an assault on chiropractic just like Wilk vc AMA. I AM SICK OF THIS CRAP!
It's sad that so many unsuspecting people fall for this type of Snake Oil. Folks, Chiropractic is nothing more than an expensive massage. This is why there's no scientific method behind it. This is why there are so many different versions of it (which version of Chiropractic are you getting?). It's an alternative medicine with ZERO scientific research behind it. However, if you like expensive massages, by all means, enjoy!
so, we are to be ever grateful because medicine has finally condescended to throw us a bone (intended) of recognition. considering the source, beware that you don't choke on it.
since when is medicine, with it's well established track record of FAILURE, qualified to criticize chiropractic, a subject about which it is completely (and willfully )ignorant? it is simply no authority to remark on the validity of chiropractic whatsoever.
Actually every Chiropractor who graduates from an accredited school is taught how to do this "special type" of adjustment. Also, x-ray is NOT the only way to find a subluxation. DC's are taught to palpate the spine, and to perform orthopedic tests. Finally, many Chiropractors ARE primary care physcians, and as it should be. DOCTOR of Chiropractic.
Thanks brother!! I've got about 100 testimonials from people talking about lowered blood pressure with cervica chair and toggle. Once again though is the Chiropractic message uttered through the mouth of an m.d. They let Dickholtz talk for 5 seconds and some m.d. who has made millions killing people with spinal issues all the time in the world.
Great video that many have known for the longest time. The medical doctor on there should have more training in Neuroscience, though. The neurology can be easily explained, as guys like Dr. Fredrick Carrick been featured on PBS television for advancing the science.
Hi, if you ask medical doctors of the benefits achieved from chiropractic adjustments, more than likely that they will refute all questions referring to the results brought forward. I have seen people not only relieving pain or lowering down high bloos pressure, but rather getting rid of and much more concerning their overall health. CHIROPRACTIC CERTAINLY WORKS OUT MIRARACLES. It makes a lot odf sense how theybring the body back in balance, then it harmonizes itself without the need of drugs.
i lost the ability to walk when i was very young,, my parents took me t all sorts of medical doctors,,,,, nothing worked . then i went to a chiropractor and i regained function in my legs, ended up representing my country in my choosen sport and am now at chiropractic school. its no joke , chiropractic really helps people
So what is your name and address, and let's see your medical records, so that we can verify your claim? You do not contend that your real name is "Michuzz" do you?
openminded??? Physical Therapy is garbage. If you don't remove the nerve pressure from the spine you can do all the physical therapy in the world but the issue returns because you didn't treat the cause. Quackery by definition my friend is a medicine pretender. Medicine is drugs and surgery. Therefore it's impossibel for a Chiropractor to be a qauck. A crappy m.d. is a quack. The medical/pharmaceutical mafia which kills millions of people a year for money is coming to an end...wake up!!
Newsflash: medicine and the pharmaceutical industry, while they complement and work in conjunction with one another, are two separate things. This is why doctors will prescribe some drugs but not others. The fact that you are ignorant to this shows how little you know about what you're talking about.
True, a crappy MD is a quack.The only difference is some MDs are quacks,whereas ALL chiros are quacks, because they practice non evidence-based medicine,and are,as you so eloquently put it "crappy".
why do your malpractice premiums out pace mine? My patients do not die when when I fuck up much less die when I do my job correctly. as for Mds people die every day in fact 2 people die for every one saved which is lauded by the media as a fucking miracle, perhaps it is...he didn't die what a miracle!!! I'm thinking that you are so ignorant of your own professions short comings that your ego will not allow you to be objective or even thoughtful.
actually no. Around 1910 Cocaine was made illegal as was opium. The Pharmaceutical Companies built campuses for five major medical schools at the time on the condition that drug therapy be added to the core curriculum. So you are incorrect, medicine and the pharmaceutical industry are one in the same...actually the Pharm owns you.
At least my profession is not the leading cause of death i the United States. Yet, my profession with a safety record that out paces yours significantly, takes the insults, the unending diatribe from fuckheads who believe their shit does not stink because they are an MD, who poses a greater threat to this nation than the swine flu
"I f any of you haters want to know what scientific literature says about chiropractors go to my channel DrJDavid. Before you try to comment be aware that you may need more than two neurons firing at the same time to comprehend the message.I challenge ANY to defy the truth. Bring it on Mr. P.T.M.D. whatever education you think you have. I 'll eat you guys for lunch. Anybody can have an opinion. Treating opinions as facts is ridiculous. Come check it out.....I DARE YOU"
A form of physical therapy? You are grossly misinformed. Chiropractors are doctors, physical therapy is a totally different "profession" and they are NOT trained in any way shape or form to do what chiropractors do. Chiropractors are unique.
So what is quackery exactly open minded ? Is being the fourth leading cause of death in the U.S. satisfy the requirment for quackery? Or does giving people poisons expecing it to incur health satisfy your requiement for quackery? What exctly do you mean by quackery?
If he is "one of millions" then you should be able to produce at least one record that documents the previous condition, the attempt at medical treatment, and then the chiropractic treatment that followed and how it was successful. Instead of doing that, you hurl insults at the medical profession. Of course, if insult is all you have, and you lack evidence, that is what you do.
bottom line chiropractic works! all adjusting techniques have a use. It is the responsibility of a good chiropractor to decide which is best for the patient and thier condition. The patient's best interest is the top priority.
Blood Pressure is measured ad nauseum and now even at home (which is more meaningful)
Blood pressure is through excessive sympathetic Fight or flight drive.
Blood Pressure is a symptom: not a disease.
If you successfully reduce your stress levels you permanently reduce Blood pressure: no doctors, no nurses, no drugs, no costs, no side effects and ++ patient empowerment.
Chiropractors are trained to be primary care physician, which means you don't need a referral to see one. Health and wellness are a side effect for chiropractic. That's pretty amazing considering the harmful side effects of other drugs.
It would be beneficial if all other methods of upper cervical adjusting were evaluated in the same study, rather than a specific technique. I believe the results would be similar based on my own experience with my Chiropractor.
I agree! I would willing to bet that a trained Upper Cervical Chiropractor that utilizes Toggle, Blair, Atlas Orthogonal, NUCCA, Orthospinology, Gorstic, or Knee Chest Upper Cervical would produce similar or possibly better results. I hope the study was performed to help better serve humanity and not about a certain technique.
I'm a patient who tried everything including board cert. orthopedist, phys therapists, neurologists, doc. of osteopathy medicine, & "regular" chiropractors, but got worse. Finally found an Upper Cervical specialist chiro & started to improve the day I got my first very GENTLE adjustment - no neck "cracking". Upper C specialists are hard to find. Search "Upper Cervical" Chiro websites for list of specialists. Read patient testimonials to determine whether your D.C. is a true upper C specialist.
dear kandriamarie, I would be interested in hearing how your overall progress with upper cervical Chiropractic goes as you are under care for awhile. Please report how you are doing
Because I'm an older person w/ multiple major neck injuries and calcification into the spinal canal & brain stem, progress is very, very slow.. but so far I've gone from literally wanting desperately to drive my car off a cliff w/ pain so intense I couldn't lay down or recline to sleep..to being able to lay down 1 or 2 hrs @ a time. One amazing thing of having atlas in place, it gives me a "knowing" that a corrective process is at work, and hope. My blood pressure went down too.
i do not parrot others. when and if you become a chiropractor, you will understand what i have said. perhaps when you have some experience doing the right thing, you will see. my father practiced forty two years, my mother has been in practice forty, my older brother, thirty five years, and myself, upper cervical specific for twenty two years. you are in school. when you graduate,and begin to practice, you may begin to learn.
i don't care what you were taught or what interests you, the only thing you are responsible to know and provide- what patients come to you for, is chiropractic. that is your duty if you call yourself a chiropractor.
the purpose of chiropractic is singular. it is to correct the cause of subluxation produced nerve interference. period. it is not to treat any symptom or disease, as this approach defines the practice of medicine in all of it's forms.
there is no drug, vitamin, exercise, or therapy that can do what a specific adjustment can do toward restoring health. specific upper cervical chiropractic is the greatest health discovery ever made. it's recognition is long overdue.
I am sorry to make this judgement, but the things you are stating hiodr is just embarassing i.e. bashing peer reviewed, bashing the medical community.
no. the reason chiropractic isn't accepted is because there are so many who lack belief in the fundamental principles of chiropractic, the means to express them, and the confidence these bring. they sadly try instead to endear themselves to a skeptical public and a medical establishment that holds them in contempt as mere therapists for trying to mimick them. when a person has and stands on principle, they don't care what others think. apparently you don't what i'm talking about.
No, the reason it isn't accepted is because of scripting, because of laughable x-rays in the name of "spotting a subluxation"; it is because of the lack of clinical decision making in the name of turning patients through a factory to make higher bucks.
Oh wait, that doesn't happen in our profession, right? *rolls eyes*
Oh wait, I have experienced this many times in my short Chiropractic career already.
It couldn't be this kind of "doctoring" that gives us a bad name, right?
no doubt it contributes, however, most who reject it don't get that far before they make up their minds. as i said where principle is lacking (wrong motivation- allopathic approach, greed, status, you name it) practice and product will be also.
Sounds like deyessorc is a lil dork who is a little sour at the WHOLE WORLD!! Maybe, just maybe, that is why you haven't found success! You are a sour puss! cheer up buttercup
I'm an extremely informed chiropractic patient that has a passion and extraordinary amount of accurate information on the subject.
The sooner one goes to have themselves evaluated by an upper cervical chiropractor the better, virtually everyone and I mean every one should have themselves evaluated.; the longer you wait the longer it will take for optimum recovery .many nerves don't tell you with pain that you that you have a problem. Even birth can cause the beginnings of a problem!
"Get them to a quack..." Yes chiros are quacks and that must be why all major insurance carriers pay for it including medicare. You are a perfect failure, congratulations.
Historically, Medicare in the U.S., and the health insurance in Canada, do NOT pay for chiropractic care. In the U.S., they recently established a pilot program, but that is hardly a ringing endorsement, and I doubt it will last through the budget crunch.
The Medicare website indicates that the ONLY chiropractic care for which Medicare will pay is the treatment of a subluxation of the spine IF the subluxation is visible on an X-ray, and IF the X-ray is made and interpreted by someone other than a chiropractor. "Preventive maintenance" is not compensable. If you have a citation to Medicare regulations that indicates otherwise, please provide it.
Citation? state your "citation". Where do you get you info from? Medicare DOES NOT require that an xray be taken by "someone other than a chiropractor". Where are you getting your info from? Based on the videos posted on your site, you're obviously NOT invested in truth. Medicare PAYS for chiropractic. I know because I get paid. You don't have a clue. Stay with your perversions; they seem more fitting for you.
The current version of the official Medicare handbook, page 24, provides:
Chiropractic Services
Medicare Part B covers manipulation of the spine if medically necessary to correct a subluxation (when one or more of the bones of your spine move out of position) when provided by chiropractors or other qualifi ed providers.
There is no indication that anything else is covered. As for my "perversions," I knew a chiropractor who was prosecuted for Medicare billing fraud.
In actual fact, very few public health care systems all over the world will provide rebate on chiropractic services. This is because there is no evidence for it, and a lot of evidence for mainstream medicine.
"there is no evidence for it". First remove your head straight from your rectum. Why do you suspect chiropractic is the largest drug free healthcare system in the world you moron. Chiropractic cured my migraines of 18 years that MD"s and neurologists could not figure out. I no longer suffer or take drugs. Chiropractic is amazing and has and always will flourished despite the ignorance of people like you. OWNED.
The cause of all DIS-EASE in the body is subluxation, or interference in the nervous system...Don't allow the medical world to influence or limit what Chiropractors know as the truth..Today it could be blood pressure, tomorrow kidney function, wednesday maybe digestion, and so on. The nervous system controls all other systems of the body, and Chiropractic provides the way to clear the nervous system to operate to its full potential, thus allowing the body to heal itself!!!
I have been a chiropractor for 18 years. It's interesting medical doctors are just beginning to understand what chiropractors have always known--that people are healthier under chiropractic care. Practical miracles occur almost every day in my clinic, and I have come to expect them. The decrease in blood pressure is only one of many. Every person should have their spine checked by a doctor of chiropractic. We are the only ones qualified to find spinal problems and correct them--without surgery.
With all respect to your 18 years of clinical experience, I assert that what you experience in your clinic "almost every day" are not "miracles" (as you call them). A miracle implies some supernatural or unknown mystical cause.
Absolutely nothing about chiropractic manipulation is the result of some mystical cause.
In fact, it is the result of specific input into the nervous system.
Chiropractors, in my opinion, should always refer to a neurological explanation rather than a miraculous one.
Thank you for your comments. As a Gonstead doctor, I do know specific spinal adjustments improving nerve system function are the basis of chiropractic.
However, I did say "practical" miracles meaning resulting in essence or effect though not in actual fact. The changes we make in our patients' health do seem like miracles to the ones experiencing them, especially when they have tried all allopathic medicine has to offer without improvement.
When you mentioned "miracles" I understood what you were implying. Thank you for your comments :)
I believe we, as chiropractors, must always explain clearly to our patients why their changes are occurring. If that patient says to someone, "it was a miracle what mdowensdc did for me," then we don't give them the information to understand what we have done to to their body.
By educating them about the neurology of their specific area of complaint, and the what, why, and how, chiropractic wins.
I completely agree with you. :) I always educate my patients from day one and on subsequent visits by relating nerve function to body/organ function when finding subluxations. As they did Dr. Gonstead, patients will persist in calling us "miracle worker" even though they are educated in how chiropractic works and that we only make the adjustment and the body heals itself--from above down-inside out.
We all should be careful with the words we use...Manipulation usually refers to something negative...and the founder and developers of Chiropractic never used this term....To ADJUST, THE CAUSE OF ALL DIS-EASE IN THE BODY... I know most are not willing to accept this, but us as chiropractors know the truth...Shout it out as loud as you can... It is the only way to compete with the brainwashing that goes on with the drug ads people watch on TV every day... ALL DIS-EASE, not some symptoms or pain!
I adjust C1 using the Toggle Recoil technique and have found my patients respond just as wonderful as if they had a NUCCA adjustment. I think its awesome that Chiropractic was given such support regardless to what technique was mentioned. I educate my patients how important the C1 area is and because the positioning of the NUCCA adjustment and Toggle Recoil look so similiar, my patients come in asking me "hey doc, you do that to my neck right?" I giggle and say "yup!" YEAH to Chiropractic!
I have been a chiropractor for 10 yrs now and I have treated people for much more than just back pain and neck pain.I find this interesting because I have taken a patients blood pressure before and after an adjustment and I have seen significant drops immediately. Chiro is much more powerful than people think and I agree, the doctor on the video is a NUCCA doctor and they are very biased to their technique.I am a Gonstead doctor and my upper cervical adjustment in just as safe and effective.
One thing where I think this story goes a little awry, is when they say "only a handful of chiropractors are qualified to do this kind of thing."
I'm a chiropractic student, and I can move C1 with about three or four unique techniques. As long as the doctor knows how to move C1 properly, with any technique, saying "only a handful" is a little off.
Am I to venture to guess that it was a NUCCA doctor who was exaggerating the effectiveness of the NUCCA technique, vs other techniques?
JBlenio, you are correct. This was a NUCCA study. They would like you to think that only NUCCA will work. But I wonder why GMA didn't mention that on their story. Anyhow, any good news about the adjustment benefits all Chiropractors.
So...are you saying that it is only the upper cervical adjustment that is the only adjustment to reduce blood pressure? If you are going to make this statement, please reference a peer reviewed research article that supports this.
peer review horsecrap. i don't need to prove anything to you or anybody else. there are volumes of research by dr. palmer. get off your medically oriented backside and examine them. thank God millions of people over the last hundred years haven't had to wait for "peer reviewed" approval for real chiropractors to help them.
Geez! Relax. You call peer review "horse crap," then you indicate Dr. Palmer created volumes of research.
Sorry to offend, that was not my intent. I am 100% chiropractic and "the innate," but, science is also an important part of chiropractic and human nature. That's why it's an art, philosophy, AND ***science.***
My argument to you is that it is not only upper cervical care that reduces blood pressure. There are other techniques (Diversified) that lower it as well.
research doesn't have to be "peer reviewed" to be valid. the requisite of peer review as proof of validity has been pushed onto chiropractic by the pseuso-scientific world of allopathy. now we have "chiropractic" persons evaluating each other with a yardstick handed to them by medics. to your enemy, no explanation or proof is sufficient. what does practice by consensus yield? willful blindness, mediocrity and failure, though it tends to cover backsides from individual responsibility.
We'll simply agree to disagree. Peer review is a very good thing, and M.D.s play an important role in health care. Humans are meant to explore, challenge, improve upon what was done prior. Palmer's ideas are good, but not the answer to all. Even some of Einstein's theories have been disproved or improved upon. The same go's with Palmer. He's on, on many things, and off on others. You don't buy into medicine, yet you buy into dogma. Chiropractic helps many, but is not all things for all people.
i stated clearly what chiropractic is. i did not state that medicine has no place, it does. in general, it is called first aid. the problem is that it uses essentially the same mechanistic, symptom suppressive, non-corrective, and often harmful approach on the other ninety percent of health problems which are due to nerve interference, a nearly ubiquitous cause it knows nothing of, nor cares to.
I'm glad you clarified, because I honestly wondered if you were just M.D. bashing, a problem that occurs far to often.
Another question though. You truly believe that 90% of all health problems are due to nerve interference? I respect your opinion, but question that. Mental stress, toxics in the environment, lack of proper nutrition, and subluxations all play about an equal role. I think if someone were subluxation free, a poor diet, breathing in toxic fumes, and mental stress could easily...
I think subluxations play an role in disease, and removing them is a very important part of maintaining health, but I don't believe 90% of all health problems are from subluxations.
If you really believe that, then I honestly question your understanding of the biological make up of the human body. I think the human body was created to withstand specific attacks upon it, but not everything. Therefore, like everything else, there must be a balance between all things...
When chiropractic was founded in around 1895, the human body was not bombarded with as much as it is now. Perhaps the adjustment back then had much more effect, as the body wasn't also being attacked by pthalates (hormone disruptors) found in virtually all plastics, among so much more. I think the doctor of today must address the balance of the system, and chiropractic is but one facet (pun intended ;)
I do know...however...and I'm sure you will agree, that chiropractors are the best choice for overall health care and consultation. I'm graduating in June from chiropractic school, and the education that I have received includes 3X the number of hours of neurology, 2X the hours of diagnosis, over 2.5X the number of X-Ray hours, and an almost equal number of hours in most of the other sciences than does medical school.
I am taught to remove subluxations, to understand and recognize nutritional deficiencies, and to recommend and teach the proper lifestyle changes that support health; including strength, flexibility, balance, proper diet, and more.
Again...health is a balance of many different factors, and removing subluxations is an important component. I'm looking forward to helping people recover and maintain health.
Health care isn't about chiropractic. It's about the patient.
This is exactly why our profession isn't accepted, recognized and trusted. It's statements such as "medicine...it is called first aid".
This is a shame and, speaking for the 'scientific' end of the chiro. community, this does not represent what a doctor is. Please understand that this guy, probably very good at what he/she does, is more of a technician than anything.
deyer i what are you going to sa in about ten years when three Upper cervical resaerch centers are pumping out data that crushes anything existing int he journals? I imagine you will find some excuse to hold onto your limited materialistic view of the world and te body! You should be an md not a dc. DOnt try to change our foundation you idiot!
Techmnician? If that is what you want to call it so be it. But I beg you to find a procedure that gets results like STRAIGHT UC WORK!
Sublux, Number one, I hope you are not a DC using language such as "idiot" without even knowing me. I am merely asserting what is true: there is no research proving the validity of a subluxation. Never. There is research showing the benefits of "manipulation", but not the subluxation, sorry bud.
Also, saying "wait until the future when there is tons of ..." doesn't change anything. I consider myself a physician, not a back-cracker. I also employ rehab., soft tissue, diagnosis, etc.
perfect you said it yourself, you are a physical therapist, which is fine, we need you! But don't try to change chiropractic from what it is! WE are ok with you being a physical therapist. WE are not ok with you trying to change chiropractic from what it is!
Just because u haven't read a single study that validates subluxation doesn't mean they don't exist, it simply means that u are ignorant of the research. There r hundreds of studies that prove that abnormal spinal configurations alter neurologic function. Studies like this r published all the time and have been since the 1940's. A great place for u to start would be to read the collected works of Alf Breig and Deed Harrison, this will give you plenty of evidence.
YOU SOUND A LIL JEALOUS....too bad...fly by nighter physical therapists...puleeeze...where is "doctor" in front of their names???? how many years do they go to school???? sorry...no DOC...HA
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litebug12345 2 years ago
Conflict exists by people's misunderstanding the difference between DISEASE and DIS-EASE. Chiropractic doesn't treat nor cure any disease, but vertebral subluxations are the main causa of all dis-ease. Altered physiology, disharmony, imbalance, etc. in other words: HEALTH.
neco461 2 years ago
Drugs only ATTEMPT to treat the sypmtoms that one experiences. They do not treat the cause of the symptoms. Not to mention I've yet to see a drug that doesn't have numerous side effects. This is where Chiropractic care trumps all other medicine. It treats the cause of disease by adjusting the spine, which restores nerve flowage to the damaged area, thus allowing the body to heal itself naturally.
bucknaky33 2 years ago
Vaccinations, chemotherapy, radiation, drugs, etc, are all worthless. Vaccinations don't do shit. Research what a vaccine is made of. I will never vaccinate my own children. If you think I am hurting them by doing so, I pity you. Chemo and radiation are pathetic and have killed many of my relatives. Cancerous cells thrive in acidic environments, so why would one inject themselves with poisonous acid? It also weakens the immune system drastically, making it impossible to fight the cancer off.
bucknaky33 2 years ago
The science of chiropractic is so clear and obvious to me I do not see how any person with logic could denounce it. Before making any attacks on chiropractic you must go and research it yourself. Read up on it! I was skeptical myself. I have spent countless hours researching and been fascinated at what chiro can do. Obviously medical care can be extremely beneficial in case of emergency. Otherwise, medicine and Big Pharma are all about making a ton of money.
bucknaky33 2 years ago
When chiropractic practice is used in medical studies as a 'drug' replacement the evidence is severely lacking. Unfortunately this is where the bulk of medical studies has been focused for the past 100 years. Chiropractic focuses on the nervous system and freeing the nerve flow. But when you study chiropractic over the long term the evidence is overwhelmingly positive. Where medicine is looking for a quick fix chiropractic is a lifestyle change that will add life to your years.
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
amen bro.
9pt9 2 years ago
Well said. Chiropractic and Medicine not only have different approaches but also different objectives. Therefore, to make a study with a chiropractic approach having a medical objective in mind is pointless.
neco461 2 years ago
If chiropractic has any long-term goal other than health care, quality of life, and general being (as these are the goals of medicine), please come forward with them.
lald6103 2 years ago
The medical approach from outside-in is to treat/prevent disease is it not? Last time I checked health is not merely the absence of disease. Hence, medicare (although extremely necessary - I am not anti-medical) should be refered to as disease-care. This is where the difference is. The goal of medicine is focused on the disease/symtoms, where the goal chiropractic is on promoting health, by having the master control of the body working properly in reguting all body functions as a unit.
neco461 2 years ago
Long term goals of chiropractic is health and wellness, maintenance of health and wellness or rather preservation of the natural functions of the human body which is designed by nature to self regulate via the CNS. the anti-chiropractic mindset you harbor is based on a gross misunderstanding of chiropractics overall intent. the last thing I want to do as a chiropractor is give a drug to treat a disease, that I will gladly leave to the MD, who is magnificent in a crisis situation.
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
I challenge you to state one peer-reviewed longitudinal study (i.e. published in a non-chiropractic journal) which support any of these claims.
lald6103 2 years ago
the key phrase here is non-chiropractic. As Chiropractic is an exception to medical practice as established by the medical practice act of 1913, any medical view point is mute. Medicine treats disease and symptoms with drugs and surgery were chiropractic does not treat disease at all. the focus of a chiropractor is the restoration of the CNS which is key to self regulation of the body. Health and Wellness are the goals of Chiropractic.
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
then you can't produce any non-anecdotal evidence?
Again, there is no evidence that "restoration of the CNS" provides any benefit at all, particularly for the individual who is NOT EVEN SICK IN THE FIRST PLACE!!
second, if you think that medicine does not embrace non-pharmacological, non-surgical treatments then you are completely and utterly blinded by the alternativism of your silly profession.
lald6103 2 years ago
Anecdotal evidence? We have research that your 'species' will not acknowledge. You insist on using my professions methods of care in the same way someone uses a drug which is to treat a specific symptom. Silly profession? tell that to the 95% patient satisifaction rating you moron.
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
First, there are few if any studies regarding chiropractic, particularly positive out comes, published in a Medical Peer-reviewed journal. Given the history of medicines anti-chiropractic mantra this does not surprise me. Considering the efforts of the AMA to contain and eliminate chiropractic from 1966 to 1980 and the damage done to chiropractics reputations as a result the strong emotional conflicts do not lend themselves to non-emotional exchanges where reason and objectivity play a role.
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
Why did the AMA have to resort to illegal methods to contain and eliminate chiropractic? Why was a permanent injunction handed down to the AMA for illegal restraint of trade of a competitor? If chiropractic were so awful or inconsequential then logic would suggest it would be a self limiting profession. Yet in spite of over a century of highly dubious behavior by the Medical profession aimed at destroying chiropractic we have flourished. Well over 700K have died in a year at medical hands.
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
The AMA, along with Medicine, is concerned with supporting evidence-based science. This means that anything that can be strongly shown to be effective will be endorsed. This is why acupuncture has been embraced by the medical community and many practitioners are in fact completing extra training in it - many trials have found acupuncture to be efficacious. Chiropractic is not evidence based. There is no good evidence to support its efficacy. Until you provide such evidence you will be pushed to
lald6103 2 years ago
Evidence based medicine is limited to symptom relief. Treat a symptom with a drug the symptom goes away. That is what you call evidence based. Chiropractic has been around for 114 years as an accredited profession and you guys in all that time have not found an original attack format. It has never changed. However, the silly theories were first addressed by Hippocrates 2500 years ago and studied via observational application. "Look well to the spine for the cause of disease" Hippocrates.
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
Look, there are plenty of your colleagues who understand the idea behind chiropractic. the mantra you are clearly dealing with is propaganda based. Chiropractic was never a threat to medicine because quite frankly I don't want your job. Heaven forbid I ever have to give a proctology exam, no thank you. this pissing contest started when people began realizing that chiropractic actually achieved results. chiropractic is an ongoing study, any practice is.
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
Again I ask: what results? Even when you look through chiropractic journals and articles, the studies performed are so biased and flawed that it is actually insulting. Things like "chiropractic an effective treatment for cerebral palsy" with a sample size of 1 who enjoyed some alleviation of minor symptoms, or "Successful chiropractic treatment of gastritis" with a sample size of 2 kids, who quite obviously just resolved their infection by themselves while the "treatment" was occurring.
lald6103 2 years ago
In my first month of practice I had two cases of asthma ease up, after six months they quit filling their prescriptions for inhalers because they hadn't used the inhalers already in hand. Do not make the mistake by thinking that I treated them for asthma, I cleared out their spinal subluxations and the body did the rest. Note that this did not occur in a day or a week. the progressive benefit of chiropractic takes time. Migraines 98% of my migraine patients do not suffer migraines any more
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
The progressive benefit of chiropractic takes time because you are interested in bringing patients back as much as possible so that you can get more money out of them. Meanwhile, recovery from the disease takes place and the patient naturally gets better.
Don't kid yourself. There is no scientific basis to cause of disease from nerve impingement nor cure from disease via spinal adjustments.
lald6103 2 years ago
My purpose is not to piss down your back. I want someone to understand the purpose of chiropractic and not put foolish barriers up to prohibit its helping people get well. As far as proof, yes there are many studies and I'm afraid I'm correct in stating that your profession has gone to great lengths to suppress the studies or to dilute them so that they lose their impact. Hopefully you can understand where my anger and frustration come from.
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
What Hippocrates meant is open to interpretation. It's just like the Bible - if we took that literally (and alot of people unfortunately do), we would stone people to death for collecting sticks on a sunday. Likewise, Hippocrates could just have been referring to the spinal cord, brain and brainstem as the central hub of the body's nervous system and hence pain. You can read it any way you like.
lald6103 2 years ago
There is also a lot of evidence that between 700,000 and 800,000 people were killed by medical mistakes in the last 12 months. Nearly 8 million people have died in the past 10 years because of medical mistakes. Chiropractic has virtually no death rate. As far as chiropractic evidence there is plenty. The medical/pharmaceutical establishment does not allow in air time or print space. Chiropractic is an exception to medical practice. Two diametrically opposed paradigms.
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
People die in the hands of medical doctors because they were going to die anyway. True, medical error exists, but this is because medicine is so often given such little room to work with that any small human mistake has dire consequences. Like resuscitating a person in cardiac arrest: 1mg of adrenaline too much and the patient can die, yet doctors can often only estimate how much the patient needs. Please don't go quoting statistics you don't understand.
lald6103 2 years ago
People died because they were going to die anyway? the numbers cited were people 'not' in danger of dying and died because of medical intervention. You mustn't delude yourself in such a way, it isn't healthy. Drugs are over utilized because of over exuberant marketing. Tens of billions of dollars are spent 'advertising' not quite a billion is spent on R& D. I believe that there is a gross disparity in priority in the Pharmaceutical industries scheme. You are a product of that process
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
So doctors kill 800K people a year who otherwise wouldn't have died. That is a complete and utter lie. You are a misinformed, idiotic zealot whose career is nothing but a waste of time.
lald6103 2 years ago
Death by Medicine is a compilation of mortality rates which spanned a ten year period. Reports that are required by law for hospitals and other major institutions to make. However, these reports are not to a 'person' but rather a computer terminal in another state. The letter of the law has been satisfied with that method of mortality rate reporting.
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
Principled Chiropractors don't "treat".
drwilby 2 years ago
Funny how people who have never been to a chiropractor and know NOTHING about it have so many opinions. I know non-chiropractic doctors who have not only been responsible for insurance-filing fraud, they actually KILL people. I would still be in a wheel chair if not for a chiropractor, and I highly recommend them.
AquarianAgrarian 2 years ago 2
That is not unusual, the ignorant often fool themselves into thinking they know more than they do. Mds have been told for nearly 100 years that their shit doesn't stink and than anyone else who does a better job than they do is clearly doing it incorrectly as the medical model they operate under was designed as a disease model where corporations make a killing treating diseases that are not supposed to be cured because it is more profitable for a patient to linger on his or her death bed.
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
chiropractors are not doctors. the fact that they call themselves so is highly immoral
lald6103 2 years ago
Chiropractors are not medical "doctors". The allopathic model is responsible for (at least) 700,000 deaths in the USA every year. We can not afford more doctoring like that! Our "health care" system is in the same boat as our banking system last year. The numbers tell the story.
ucdc1 2 years ago
Talk about what you know, NOT what you think! Take a look at their curriculumn, they take the same classes that MD's take and in some areas more...they are most definitely Doctors!
drhudson1rho88 2 years ago
Regardless, even if what you said was true and you did do more coursework than us, the content of your curriculum is based on bogus theories which have no good evidence to work or, at the very least, be more effective than physiotherapy. Claims that chiropractors can prevent/cure things like the common cold etc are simply lies and ought to be outlawed.
lald6103 2 years ago
Actually, the content of the curriculumn is based on the same fundamentals as the medical model, and taught by PhD's too. Now unless you're prepared to discuss the actual statistical research and vouch for the individual results of chiropractic care, maybe you should back off such rediculously sweeping generalizations.
drhudson1rho88 2 years ago
Ernst, E (2008).Chiropractic:A crit. evaluation.Journ of pain and sympt managt,35(5).
Thompson Coon, J etal (2005).A syst review of the economic evaluation of complementary and alternative medicine.Perfusion 18(202). - a great analysis of the worthlessness of chiropractic and chiropractic education.
As for chiropractic "care":
Johnson et al (2006) Adverse effect assoc. with spinal manip. in children: a sys review. Conference abstracts:CARE program.52(53).
oh and btw:"rediculously"? Ridiculously?
lald6103 2 years ago
I'm sorry, I've mistaken you for a rational professional, no need to respond. You are simply an ass that has no desire to accept or acknowledge reality. The Bible says the Jews won't accept Christ as savior until the 2nd coming and you are just as foolish. Here's a reference for ya Wilks v/s AMA. Perhaps when you find yourself in the shoes of our patients who can't get relief from the medical model, I hope you find relief from those bogus articles.
drhudson1rho88 2 years ago
Wilks vs. AMA is not a peer-reviewed journal article, it was a court case.
Those "bogus" articles are not only peer-reviewed, but they are published in esteemed journals. Further, if you read them you would find that they are quite sound studies which refute many of the claims you "professionals" make.
lald6103 2 years ago
It was an illegal effort by the AMA. Why? You are either an old white hair lost in the old thoughts of the past or a young punk unable to generate an original thought. Studies are your only fall back argument. We have studies you have not published. We have studies a full century of studies, all in our favor and all of them suppressed by your profession. Esteemed Journals? Your Esteem friend is bought and paid for by the pharmaceutical industry who pays for air time to suppress the truth
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
clearly you are an ignorant soul.
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
Thank G-D chiropractic doctors are not medical "doctors'. Chiropractic doctoral candidates take the same but more courses than medical doctoral candidates.
SG, DC
chiropractic47 2 years ago
RE: "chiros take more courses than doctors" comment(s): this is just not true. MD training persists well after the doctor has finished his/her degree, depending on which specialty they wish to go into. For example, to become a fully-fledged spinal surgeon or sports doctor specializing in the spine say, you are looking at 12-15 years training including Med school. Chriopractors train at "chiro school" for six years at the most.
lald6103 2 years ago
After medical school MD's are paid professionals. While they recieve training in their field of specialty they are paid a salary.
Like MD's, DC's can complete diplomat programs in orthopedics, neurology, pediatrics, sports physician, while not being paid a handsome salary. To maintain licensure, they must complete annual continuing education credits.
chiropractic47 2 years ago
Since we exceed your medical education by 139 hours, do not kill people even when we screw up, your opinion is inconsequential. It is clear that you feel threatened by chiropractors, many of your predecessors did and conducted themselves in the most amoral fashion to achieve illegal objectives. In 114 years Chiropractic has no appreciable death rate, 95% of chiropractic patients love their care, get results and improve life style with regular visits. Hell you might need an adjustment
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
I do feel threatened by chiropractors, insofar as there is a small, but very real, association between cervical manipulation and cerebro-vascular accident (CVA), and that many of your patients entrust problems in you that they shoul be going to a medical doctor for.
I have dealt with you claim about having more education than us (which I don't think is entirely true, by the way) before.
lald6103 2 years ago
CVA is so very rare, particularly when a chiropractor is adjusting the cervical spine. In 85 years of service in chiropractic none of my family members ever created such an event. However, since we are evaluating risk, why does your malpractice outpace mine...because even when I make a mistake nobody dies, whereas with you...one fuck up = potential death.
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
oh yeah, even if you don't fuck up there is an inherent death rate that goes with your methodology.
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
"CVA is so rare..chiro is adjusting" - how do you know this? CVAs can occur days to weeks after the initial trauma to the vertebral blood vessels! I have been in the E.D. a number of times (3 times in six years) when the patient who has had a stroke admitted they had been treated by a chiropractor in the past month. When we do an MRI we see massive cerebral artery trauma that has got progressively worse since the adjustment.
lald6103 2 years ago
Do you watch football? Are you familiar with a 'facemask' penalty? If CVA were so common as you have been told every NFL lineman would have died after his first season. Most CVA are mythical. You are hearing politics made policy. If your limited understanding of chiropractic is not addressed you will soon be sorely disappointed.
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
Most CVA are mythical?Now I've heard it all.Have you ever been to an E.D.?Here's the long and the short of it: in rare circumstances,a cervical rotation can sever the vertebral artery.This can happen in car accidents,football games and chiropractic adjustments.Usually, the lesion is fixed biologically via a coagulation cascade.However,if a clot formed is large enough and not broken down,it can travel to the brain and lodge -->CVA.This, like transient myocardial infarcs,can take days to weeks
lald6103 2 years ago
Let me correct that most chiropractic induced CVA are mythical. This was the product of a long ago debunked study that originated in 1974 when the AMA was going out of its way to 'exterminate' chiropractic. That study fomented a great deal of fear but has no validity. Though long debunked its been reprinted numerous times by persons seeking to discredit chiropractic care. We have won this case in court many times in the past several decades. Your blaming us for arterial dissection is weak
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
First if a chiropractor ever caused a stroke it was an immediate issue. not a month later. Consider this if an injury or dissection occurs death would occur within hours of the event. IF and only if and injury such as you suggest did occur but did not result in death the healing process would have repaired the damage in a matter of days and certainly within a month. You are not being informed accurately. How long does it take for a cut to heal?
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
You are not being informed accurately. IF chiropractic were truly causing such injuries the entire profession would have ceased to exist before1920 and my malpractice would have long ago out paced yours. We do not have billions to spend on media attention. You have the benefit of a benefactor willing to spend tens of billions keeping your ego satisfied through laudable media attention giving you a false sense of and earth bound deity.
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
My principal objection to chiropractic is not that it can cause CVA.Rather(and I have said this again and again) that there is no good evidence to suggest that chiropractic is a beneficial practice of health care with a strong scientific basis.I also object to the fact that people are so convinced by chiro that they choose chiro of medicine,without knowing/understanding that this can be bad for them.
This was never a question of ego.You have accused me of arrogance because I have challenged you.
lald6103 2 years ago
My main objection to your opinion is that it is inaccurate. If chiropractic had no basis is science or physiology for that matter the profession would have self limited. Science when it comes to physiology cannot as defined apply, especially when it comes to medicine. E.R. procedures have tons of benefit. Scientific theory must undergo scientific examination under laboratory conditions in order to remove variables. No lab on earth can duplicate the complexity of human physiology.
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
"If chiropractic had no basis is science or physiology for that matter the profession would have self limited."
Yes - just like homeopathy, acupuncture etc etc.
revjimbob 2 years ago
If human physiology cannot be duplicated scientific methods of study have to be truncated to address this issue. no amount of scientific study can be 'scientific' in outcome due to biochemical individuality. No two people respond the same to a given set of procedures at the biochemical level, this is why so many people die at the hands of medicine. Chiropractic study has been long term and based on validated, proven human physiology. It has been proven valid many times.
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
Needle EMGs have proven that pressure on a nerve interferes with nerve impulse generation, which in tern has been proven to interfere with cellular function which in turn interferes with organ or system function. I have accused you of arrogance because you have blasted my profession with dogmatic nonsense that has been spewed forth for over a century. A waste of time? Migraine patients would disagree with you as to that statement.
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
Humility, grasshopper, humility. You must learn to be humble before the creator lest thou suffer his wrath. You are a young recent MD grad student. your eagerness to prove the world 'wrong' before your fledgling knowledge is incredible. Remember the practice is exactly that practice. If ever we perfect our art it will then become a performance and we shall become arrogant and dangerous, much like yourself.
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
I must apologize for letting my ego and my temper infiltrate this forum. I am a third generation DC. I grew up on the receiving end of a lot of ignorance, even as kids. The boycott as we now the AMA effort didn't target just the DCs in practice they went after the wives and the kids in order to stem the proliferation of chiropractic. Perhaps you agree with that effort but chiropractic has proven itself many times over in both study form as well as results. My frustration is severe.
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
Essential hypertension is a fast heart with high systolic and diastolic pressures...That is caused by the upper cervical most often and usually atlas but if the patient has a condyle, C2 or 5th lumbar major, these upper cervical chiropractors are worthless. If you adjust the atlas in a patient with high blood pressure but not hypertension...The blood pressure gets worse! A REAL chiro must be able to adjust ANY bone in the spine with the same specificity these UC docs adjust an atlas with.
dempstead 2 years ago
"I f any of you haters want to know what scientific literature says about chiropractors go to my channel DrJDavid. Before you try to comment be aware that you may need more than two neurons firing at the same time to comprehend the message.I challenge ANY to defy the truth. Bring it on Mr. P.T.M.D. whatever education you think you have. Anybody can have an opinion. Treating opinions as facts is ridiculous. Come check it out.....I DARE YOU"
DrJDavid 2 years ago
I support this technique. This can work for so much more than this. Have yourself checked before you have an obvious problem. When your discs are thick and healthy you wont spend as much and your health will be better of in the long run.The fewer the adjustments the better. Keep appointments to be sure you are maintaining proper brain memory. Upper cervical specific care only, this is not a simple manipulation this is repositioning the atlas so the nerves dont rub up against the atlas bone.
kobidobidog 2 years ago
Oh yea almost forgot upcspine,and thespecific are good places to find information and U,C,S,care doctors in your state.
kobidobidog 2 years ago
Having your self cheaked for spinal imbalances is the best thing you could possibly could do, before you are crying in pain or get a doctors diagnosis. Whoever should be an upper cervical specific only care doctor.
kobidobidog 2 years ago
baby has not muscle memory.
A traumatic Birth can cause the atlas to shift for off center to pivot, tilt in a multiple amount of ways. There is no disc between the atlas and the axis. The nerves are front to back and side to side of this atlas bone. and then when you consider the atlas is the most unstable bone in the body, you have a recipe for a problem to occur with a traumatic birth. and if not then rapid acceleration of the head will potentially cause obvious problem later in life.
kobidobidog 2 years ago
Medical doctors are in no way authorities on chiropractic. Why on earth are they asking an md about chiropractic (physiologic) issues? This is an assault on chiropractic just like Wilk vc AMA. I AM SICK OF THIS CRAP!
drwilby 2 years ago
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It's sad that so many unsuspecting people fall for this type of Snake Oil. Folks, Chiropractic is nothing more than an expensive massage. This is why there's no scientific method behind it. This is why there are so many different versions of it (which version of Chiropractic are you getting?). It's an alternative medicine with ZERO scientific research behind it. However, if you like expensive massages, by all means, enjoy!
Kevitivity 3 years ago
so, we are to be ever grateful because medicine has finally condescended to throw us a bone (intended) of recognition. considering the source, beware that you don't choke on it.
hiodr 3 years ago
since when is medicine, with it's well established track record of FAILURE, qualified to criticize chiropractic, a subject about which it is completely (and willfully )ignorant? it is simply no authority to remark on the validity of chiropractic whatsoever.
hiodr 3 years ago
Actually every Chiropractor who graduates from an accredited school is taught how to do this "special type" of adjustment. Also, x-ray is NOT the only way to find a subluxation. DC's are taught to palpate the spine, and to perform orthopedic tests. Finally, many Chiropractors ARE primary care physcians, and as it should be. DOCTOR of Chiropractic.
Endurochiro 3 years ago
Thanks brother!! I've got about 100 testimonials from people talking about lowered blood pressure with cervica chair and toggle. Once again though is the Chiropractic message uttered through the mouth of an m.d. They let Dickholtz talk for 5 seconds and some m.d. who has made millions killing people with spinal issues all the time in the world.
sodie61 2 years ago
Great video that many have known for the longest time. The medical doctor on there should have more training in Neuroscience, though. The neurology can be easily explained, as guys like Dr. Fredrick Carrick been featured on PBS television for advancing the science.
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dcincome 3 years ago
Hi, if you ask medical doctors of the benefits achieved from chiropractic adjustments, more than likely that they will refute all questions referring to the results brought forward. I have seen people not only relieving pain or lowering down high bloos pressure, but rather getting rid of and much more concerning their overall health. CHIROPRACTIC CERTAINLY WORKS OUT MIRARACLES. It makes a lot odf sense how theybring the body back in balance, then it harmonizes itself without the need of drugs.
findpeaceofmind 3 years ago
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foodmatterstv 3 years ago
i lost the ability to walk when i was very young,, my parents took me t all sorts of medical doctors,,,,, nothing worked . then i went to a chiropractor and i regained function in my legs, ended up representing my country in my choosen sport and am now at chiropractic school. its no joke , chiropractic really helps people
MrMichuzz 3 years ago
So what is your name and address, and let's see your medical records, so that we can verify your claim? You do not contend that your real name is "Michuzz" do you?
mindspring57 3 years ago
Good point. I, too, want to see the proof. Chiropractic is, at best, a type of physical therapy. At worst, (and most common) it is quackery.
openminded1313 2 years ago
openminded??? Physical Therapy is garbage. If you don't remove the nerve pressure from the spine you can do all the physical therapy in the world but the issue returns because you didn't treat the cause. Quackery by definition my friend is a medicine pretender. Medicine is drugs and surgery. Therefore it's impossibel for a Chiropractor to be a qauck. A crappy m.d. is a quack. The medical/pharmaceutical mafia which kills millions of people a year for money is coming to an end...wake up!!
sodie61 2 years ago
Amen, sodie61!!!
drwilby 2 years ago
Newsflash: medicine and the pharmaceutical industry, while they complement and work in conjunction with one another, are two separate things. This is why doctors will prescribe some drugs but not others. The fact that you are ignorant to this shows how little you know about what you're talking about.
True, a crappy MD is a quack.The only difference is some MDs are quacks,whereas ALL chiros are quacks, because they practice non evidence-based medicine,and are,as you so eloquently put it "crappy".
lald6103 2 years ago
why do your malpractice premiums out pace mine? My patients do not die when when I fuck up much less die when I do my job correctly. as for Mds people die every day in fact 2 people die for every one saved which is lauded by the media as a fucking miracle, perhaps it is...he didn't die what a miracle!!! I'm thinking that you are so ignorant of your own professions short comings that your ego will not allow you to be objective or even thoughtful.
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
actually no. Around 1910 Cocaine was made illegal as was opium. The Pharmaceutical Companies built campuses for five major medical schools at the time on the condition that drug therapy be added to the core curriculum. So you are incorrect, medicine and the pharmaceutical industry are one in the same...actually the Pharm owns you.
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
You are a complete fool. To cite an event that occurred 100 years ago. You don't think that the times have changed since then?
lald6103 2 years ago
At least my profession is not the leading cause of death i the United States. Yet, my profession with a safety record that out paces yours significantly, takes the insults, the unending diatribe from fuckheads who believe their shit does not stink because they are an MD, who poses a greater threat to this nation than the swine flu
Chiropracticmafia 2 years ago
Shut up sodie61; you do not know what you are talking about.
openminded1313 2 years ago
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"I f any of you haters want to know what scientific literature says about chiropractors go to my channel DrJDavid. Before you try to comment be aware that you may need more than two neurons firing at the same time to comprehend the message.I challenge ANY to defy the truth. Bring it on Mr. P.T.M.D. whatever education you think you have. I 'll eat you guys for lunch. Anybody can have an opinion. Treating opinions as facts is ridiculous. Come check it out.....I DARE YOU"
DrJDavid 2 years ago
A form of physical therapy? You are grossly misinformed. Chiropractors are doctors, physical therapy is a totally different "profession" and they are NOT trained in any way shape or form to do what chiropractors do. Chiropractors are unique.
drwilby 2 years ago
I think your "open mind" let your brains leak out.
drwilby 2 years ago
So what is quackery exactly open minded ? Is being the fourth leading cause of death in the U.S. satisfy the requirment for quackery? Or does giving people poisons expecing it to incur health satisfy your requiement for quackery? What exctly do you mean by quackery?
subluxationskill 2 years ago
"Quack". A person who dishonestly claims to have special knowledge and skill in some field, typically medicine.
or, anything written in this book, chiropractic's bible:
Palmer DD (1906). The science of chiropractic: its principles and adjustments. Davenport, IA: The Palmer school of chiropractic.
I don't think your "poisons" comment dignifies a response. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
lald6103 2 years ago
Michuzz is one of millions. "Medical" records do not pertain, chiropractic records do.
drwilby 2 years ago
If he is "one of millions" then you should be able to produce at least one record that documents the previous condition, the attempt at medical treatment, and then the chiropractic treatment that followed and how it was successful. Instead of doing that, you hurl insults at the medical profession. Of course, if insult is all you have, and you lack evidence, that is what you do.
mindspring57 2 years ago
You want evidence? you say!
I have evidence that your ignorant of chiropractic.
chiropractic47 2 years ago
Find a DC who closely follows the patient care protocol set-forth by a man named Dr. Clarence Gonstead. Best Chiropractors in the world!
bdborsum 3 years ago
Really now????
openminded1313 2 years ago
bottom line chiropractic works! all adjusting techniques have a use. It is the responsibility of a good chiropractor to decide which is best for the patient and thier condition. The patient's best interest is the top priority.
sgdc981 3 years ago
Thank God for Upper Cervical Care.
brandondeal 3 years ago
Blood Pressure is measured ad nauseum and now even at home (which is more meaningful)
Blood pressure is through excessive sympathetic Fight or flight drive.
Blood Pressure is a symptom: not a disease.
If you successfully reduce your stress levels you permanently reduce Blood pressure: no doctors, no nurses, no drugs, no costs, no side effects and ++ patient empowerment.
Dr Anand MBBS MRCGP
anandjee 3 years ago
Chiropractors are trained to be primary care physician, which means you don't need a referral to see one. Health and wellness are a side effect for chiropractic. That's pretty amazing considering the harmful side effects of other drugs.
lovelara2 3 years ago
It would be beneficial if all other methods of upper cervical adjusting were evaluated in the same study, rather than a specific technique. I believe the results would be similar based on my own experience with my Chiropractor.
taketimetostr 3 years ago
I agree! I would willing to bet that a trained Upper Cervical Chiropractor that utilizes Toggle, Blair, Atlas Orthogonal, NUCCA, Orthospinology, Gorstic, or Knee Chest Upper Cervical would produce similar or possibly better results. I hope the study was performed to help better serve humanity and not about a certain technique.
freedum123 3 years ago
I'm a patient who tried everything including board cert. orthopedist, phys therapists, neurologists, doc. of osteopathy medicine, & "regular" chiropractors, but got worse. Finally found an Upper Cervical specialist chiro & started to improve the day I got my first very GENTLE adjustment - no neck "cracking". Upper C specialists are hard to find. Search "Upper Cervical" Chiro websites for list of specialists. Read patient testimonials to determine whether your D.C. is a true upper C specialist.
kandriamarie 3 years ago
dear kandriamarie, I would be interested in hearing how your overall progress with upper cervical Chiropractic goes as you are under care for awhile. Please report how you are doing
taketimetostr 3 years ago
Because I'm an older person w/ multiple major neck injuries and calcification into the spinal canal & brain stem, progress is very, very slow.. but so far I've gone from literally wanting desperately to drive my car off a cliff w/ pain so intense I couldn't lay down or recline to sleep..to being able to lay down 1 or 2 hrs @ a time. One amazing thing of having atlas in place, it gives me a "knowing" that a corrective process is at work, and hope. My blood pressure went down too.
kandriamarie 3 years ago 4
i do not parrot others. when and if you become a chiropractor, you will understand what i have said. perhaps when you have some experience doing the right thing, you will see. my father practiced forty two years, my mother has been in practice forty, my older brother, thirty five years, and myself, upper cervical specific for twenty two years. you are in school. when you graduate,and begin to practice, you may begin to learn.
hiodr 3 years ago
it is not the purpose of chiropractic to treat anything. it is to fix the short circuit.
hiodr 3 years ago
i don't care what you were taught or what interests you, the only thing you are responsible to know and provide- what patients come to you for, is chiropractic. that is your duty if you call yourself a chiropractor.
hiodr 3 years ago
the purpose of chiropractic is singular. it is to correct the cause of subluxation produced nerve interference. period. it is not to treat any symptom or disease, as this approach defines the practice of medicine in all of it's forms.
hiodr 3 years ago
there is no drug, vitamin, exercise, or therapy that can do what a specific adjustment can do toward restoring health. specific upper cervical chiropractic is the greatest health discovery ever made. it's recognition is long overdue.
hiodr 3 years ago
I am sorry to make this judgement, but the things you are stating hiodr is just embarassing i.e. bashing peer reviewed, bashing the medical community.
deyessorc 3 years ago
no. the reason chiropractic isn't accepted is because there are so many who lack belief in the fundamental principles of chiropractic, the means to express them, and the confidence these bring. they sadly try instead to endear themselves to a skeptical public and a medical establishment that holds them in contempt as mere therapists for trying to mimick them. when a person has and stands on principle, they don't care what others think. apparently you don't what i'm talking about.
hiodr 3 years ago
No, the reason it isn't accepted is because of scripting, because of laughable x-rays in the name of "spotting a subluxation"; it is because of the lack of clinical decision making in the name of turning patients through a factory to make higher bucks.
Oh wait, that doesn't happen in our profession, right? *rolls eyes*
Oh wait, I have experienced this many times in my short Chiropractic career already.
It couldn't be this kind of "doctoring" that gives us a bad name, right?
deyessorc 3 years ago
no doubt it contributes, however, most who reject it don't get that far before they make up their minds. as i said where principle is lacking (wrong motivation- allopathic approach, greed, status, you name it) practice and product will be also.
hiodr 3 years ago
Sounds like deyessorc is a lil dork who is a little sour at the WHOLE WORLD!! Maybe, just maybe, that is why you haven't found success! You are a sour puss! cheer up buttercup
mygirls22 3 years ago
I'm an extremely informed chiropractic patient that has a passion and extraordinary amount of accurate information on the subject.
The sooner one goes to have themselves evaluated by an upper cervical chiropractor the better, virtually everyone and I mean every one should have themselves evaluated.; the longer you wait the longer it will take for optimum recovery .many nerves don't tell you with pain that you that you have a problem. Even birth can cause the beginnings of a problem!
kobidobidog 3 years ago
"Even birth can cause the problem." That's it. Get them going to the quack as early in life as possible.
mindspring57 2 years ago
"Get them to a quack..." Yes chiros are quacks and that must be why all major insurance carriers pay for it including medicare. You are a perfect failure, congratulations.
9pt9 2 years ago
Historically, Medicare in the U.S., and the health insurance in Canada, do NOT pay for chiropractic care. In the U.S., they recently established a pilot program, but that is hardly a ringing endorsement, and I doubt it will last through the budget crunch.
mindspring57 2 years ago
Hey moron, medicare has been reimbursing for chiropractic care for more than 20 years in the US. Dumbass!
aria5091 2 years ago 2
Check you history....Medicare has been covering chiropractic care in the US since 1970
drjohn53 2 years ago
The Medicare website indicates that the ONLY chiropractic care for which Medicare will pay is the treatment of a subluxation of the spine IF the subluxation is visible on an X-ray, and IF the X-ray is made and interpreted by someone other than a chiropractor. "Preventive maintenance" is not compensable. If you have a citation to Medicare regulations that indicates otherwise, please provide it.
mindspring57 2 years ago
Citation? state your "citation". Where do you get you info from? Medicare DOES NOT require that an xray be taken by "someone other than a chiropractor". Where are you getting your info from? Based on the videos posted on your site, you're obviously NOT invested in truth. Medicare PAYS for chiropractic. I know because I get paid. You don't have a clue. Stay with your perversions; they seem more fitting for you.
drjohn53 2 years ago
The current version of the official Medicare handbook, page 24, provides:
Chiropractic Services
Medicare Part B covers manipulation of the spine if medically necessary to correct a subluxation (when one or more of the bones of your spine move out of position) when provided by chiropractors or other qualifi ed providers.
There is no indication that anything else is covered. As for my "perversions," I knew a chiropractor who was prosecuted for Medicare billing fraud.
mindspring57 2 years ago
Sorry, medicare recinded the chiropractic x-ray requirement and medical interpretation with it.
SG, DC
chiropractic47 2 years ago
Since the early 80s so just 30 years of insurance coverage.
hulsebusdc 2 years ago
In actual fact, very few public health care systems all over the world will provide rebate on chiropractic services. This is because there is no evidence for it, and a lot of evidence for mainstream medicine.
lald6103 2 years ago
"there is no evidence for it". First remove your head straight from your rectum. Why do you suspect chiropractic is the largest drug free healthcare system in the world you moron. Chiropractic cured my migraines of 18 years that MD"s and neurologists could not figure out. I no longer suffer or take drugs. Chiropractic is amazing and has and always will flourished despite the ignorance of people like you. OWNED.
9pt9 2 years ago
Medical TreatmentChiropractic Care
Blood-based Nerve-based
Treats symptoms Corrects cause Renders sickness care Offers health care
Prescribes drugs Makes adjustments
Sees body as parts Sees whole person
Removes organs Revives organs
Kills germs Helps resist germs
Causes side effects Produces positive effects
Artificial Natural
Risky Safe
rcaz35 2 years ago
The cause of all DIS-EASE in the body is subluxation, or interference in the nervous system...Don't allow the medical world to influence or limit what Chiropractors know as the truth..Today it could be blood pressure, tomorrow kidney function, wednesday maybe digestion, and so on. The nervous system controls all other systems of the body, and Chiropractic provides the way to clear the nervous system to operate to its full potential, thus allowing the body to heal itself!!!
jjkoolie007 3 years ago
I have been a chiropractor for 18 years. It's interesting medical doctors are just beginning to understand what chiropractors have always known--that people are healthier under chiropractic care. Practical miracles occur almost every day in my clinic, and I have come to expect them. The decrease in blood pressure is only one of many. Every person should have their spine checked by a doctor of chiropractic. We are the only ones qualified to find spinal problems and correct them--without surgery.
mdowensdc 3 years ago
With all respect to your 18 years of clinical experience, I assert that what you experience in your clinic "almost every day" are not "miracles" (as you call them). A miracle implies some supernatural or unknown mystical cause.
Absolutely nothing about chiropractic manipulation is the result of some mystical cause.
In fact, it is the result of specific input into the nervous system.
Chiropractors, in my opinion, should always refer to a neurological explanation rather than a miraculous one.
jblenio 3 years ago
Thank you for your comments. As a Gonstead doctor, I do know specific spinal adjustments improving nerve system function are the basis of chiropractic.
However, I did say "practical" miracles meaning resulting in essence or effect though not in actual fact. The changes we make in our patients' health do seem like miracles to the ones experiencing them, especially when they have tried all allopathic medicine has to offer without improvement.
mdowensdc 3 years ago
When you mentioned "miracles" I understood what you were implying. Thank you for your comments :)
I believe we, as chiropractors, must always explain clearly to our patients why their changes are occurring. If that patient says to someone, "it was a miracle what mdowensdc did for me," then we don't give them the information to understand what we have done to to their body.
By educating them about the neurology of their specific area of complaint, and the what, why, and how, chiropractic wins.
jblenio 3 years ago
I completely agree with you. :) I always educate my patients from day one and on subsequent visits by relating nerve function to body/organ function when finding subluxations. As they did Dr. Gonstead, patients will persist in calling us "miracle worker" even though they are educated in how chiropractic works and that we only make the adjustment and the body heals itself--from above down-inside out.
mdowensdc 3 years ago
We all should be careful with the words we use...Manipulation usually refers to something negative...and the founder and developers of Chiropractic never used this term....To ADJUST, THE CAUSE OF ALL DIS-EASE IN THE BODY... I know most are not willing to accept this, but us as chiropractors know the truth...Shout it out as loud as you can... It is the only way to compete with the brainwashing that goes on with the drug ads people watch on TV every day... ALL DIS-EASE, not some symptoms or pain!
jjkoolie007 3 years ago
I adjust C1 using the Toggle Recoil technique and have found my patients respond just as wonderful as if they had a NUCCA adjustment. I think its awesome that Chiropractic was given such support regardless to what technique was mentioned. I educate my patients how important the C1 area is and because the positioning of the NUCCA adjustment and Toggle Recoil look so similiar, my patients come in asking me "hey doc, you do that to my neck right?" I giggle and say "yup!" YEAH to Chiropractic!
docsandee 3 years ago
I have been a chiropractor for 10 yrs now and I have treated people for much more than just back pain and neck pain.I find this interesting because I have taken a patients blood pressure before and after an adjustment and I have seen significant drops immediately. Chiro is much more powerful than people think and I agree, the doctor on the video is a NUCCA doctor and they are very biased to their technique.I am a Gonstead doctor and my upper cervical adjustment in just as safe and effective.
Jtsonisdc 3 years ago
One thing where I think this story goes a little awry, is when they say "only a handful of chiropractors are qualified to do this kind of thing."
I'm a chiropractic student, and I can move C1 with about three or four unique techniques. As long as the doctor knows how to move C1 properly, with any technique, saying "only a handful" is a little off.
Am I to venture to guess that it was a NUCCA doctor who was exaggerating the effectiveness of the NUCCA technique, vs other techniques?
jblenio 3 years ago
JBlenio, you are correct. This was a NUCCA study. They would like you to think that only NUCCA will work. But I wonder why GMA didn't mention that on their story. Anyhow, any good news about the adjustment benefits all Chiropractors.
ks523 3 years ago
not so. you have more, as we all do, to learn.
hiodr 3 years ago
So...are you saying that it is only the upper cervical adjustment that is the only adjustment to reduce blood pressure? If you are going to make this statement, please reference a peer reviewed research article that supports this.
jblenio 3 years ago
peer review horsecrap. i don't need to prove anything to you or anybody else. there are volumes of research by dr. palmer. get off your medically oriented backside and examine them. thank God millions of people over the last hundred years haven't had to wait for "peer reviewed" approval for real chiropractors to help them.
hiodr 3 years ago
Geez! Relax. You call peer review "horse crap," then you indicate Dr. Palmer created volumes of research.
Sorry to offend, that was not my intent. I am 100% chiropractic and "the innate," but, science is also an important part of chiropractic and human nature. That's why it's an art, philosophy, AND ***science.***
My argument to you is that it is not only upper cervical care that reduces blood pressure. There are other techniques (Diversified) that lower it as well.
jblenio 3 years ago
research doesn't have to be "peer reviewed" to be valid. the requisite of peer review as proof of validity has been pushed onto chiropractic by the pseuso-scientific world of allopathy. now we have "chiropractic" persons evaluating each other with a yardstick handed to them by medics. to your enemy, no explanation or proof is sufficient. what does practice by consensus yield? willful blindness, mediocrity and failure, though it tends to cover backsides from individual responsibility.
hiodr 3 years ago
We'll simply agree to disagree. Peer review is a very good thing, and M.D.s play an important role in health care. Humans are meant to explore, challenge, improve upon what was done prior. Palmer's ideas are good, but not the answer to all. Even some of Einstein's theories have been disproved or improved upon. The same go's with Palmer. He's on, on many things, and off on others. You don't buy into medicine, yet you buy into dogma. Chiropractic helps many, but is not all things for all people.
jblenio 3 years ago
i stated clearly what chiropractic is. i did not state that medicine has no place, it does. in general, it is called first aid. the problem is that it uses essentially the same mechanistic, symptom suppressive, non-corrective, and often harmful approach on the other ninety percent of health problems which are due to nerve interference, a nearly ubiquitous cause it knows nothing of, nor cares to.
hiodr 3 years ago
I'm glad you clarified, because I honestly wondered if you were just M.D. bashing, a problem that occurs far to often.
Another question though. You truly believe that 90% of all health problems are due to nerve interference? I respect your opinion, but question that. Mental stress, toxics in the environment, lack of proper nutrition, and subluxations all play about an equal role. I think if someone were subluxation free, a poor diet, breathing in toxic fumes, and mental stress could easily...
jblenio 3 years ago
...cause disease.
I think subluxations play an role in disease, and removing them is a very important part of maintaining health, but I don't believe 90% of all health problems are from subluxations.
If you really believe that, then I honestly question your understanding of the biological make up of the human body. I think the human body was created to withstand specific attacks upon it, but not everything. Therefore, like everything else, there must be a balance between all things...
jblenio 3 years ago
...that play a role in health.
When chiropractic was founded in around 1895, the human body was not bombarded with as much as it is now. Perhaps the adjustment back then had much more effect, as the body wasn't also being attacked by pthalates (hormone disruptors) found in virtually all plastics, among so much more. I think the doctor of today must address the balance of the system, and chiropractic is but one facet (pun intended ;)
jblenio 3 years ago
I do know...however...and I'm sure you will agree, that chiropractors are the best choice for overall health care and consultation. I'm graduating in June from chiropractic school, and the education that I have received includes 3X the number of hours of neurology, 2X the hours of diagnosis, over 2.5X the number of X-Ray hours, and an almost equal number of hours in most of the other sciences than does medical school.
jblenio 3 years ago
I am taught to remove subluxations, to understand and recognize nutritional deficiencies, and to recommend and teach the proper lifestyle changes that support health; including strength, flexibility, balance, proper diet, and more.
Again...health is a balance of many different factors, and removing subluxations is an important component. I'm looking forward to helping people recover and maintain health.
Health care isn't about chiropractic. It's about the patient.
jblenio 3 years ago
*Sigh*
This is exactly why our profession isn't accepted, recognized and trusted. It's statements such as "medicine...it is called first aid".
This is a shame and, speaking for the 'scientific' end of the chiro. community, this does not represent what a doctor is. Please understand that this guy, probably very good at what he/she does, is more of a technician than anything.
deyessorc 3 years ago
deyer i what are you going to sa in about ten years when three Upper cervical resaerch centers are pumping out data that crushes anything existing int he journals? I imagine you will find some excuse to hold onto your limited materialistic view of the world and te body! You should be an md not a dc. DOnt try to change our foundation you idiot!
Techmnician? If that is what you want to call it so be it. But I beg you to find a procedure that gets results like STRAIGHT UC WORK!
subluxationskill 3 years ago
Sublux, Number one, I hope you are not a DC using language such as "idiot" without even knowing me. I am merely asserting what is true: there is no research proving the validity of a subluxation. Never. There is research showing the benefits of "manipulation", but not the subluxation, sorry bud.
Also, saying "wait until the future when there is tons of ..." doesn't change anything. I consider myself a physician, not a back-cracker. I also employ rehab., soft tissue, diagnosis, etc.
deyessorc 3 years ago
perfect you said it yourself, you are a physical therapist, which is fine, we need you! But don't try to change chiropractic from what it is! WE are ok with you being a physical therapist. WE are not ok with you trying to change chiropractic from what it is!
subluxationskill 3 years ago
Just because u haven't read a single study that validates subluxation doesn't mean they don't exist, it simply means that u are ignorant of the research. There r hundreds of studies that prove that abnormal spinal configurations alter neurologic function. Studies like this r published all the time and have been since the 1940's. A great place for u to start would be to read the collected works of Alf Breig and Deed Harrison, this will give you plenty of evidence.
drpeterolsson 3 years ago
YOU SOUND A LIL JEALOUS....too bad...fly by nighter physical therapists...puleeeze...where is "doctor" in front of their names???? how many years do they go to school???? sorry...no DOC...HA
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