Grace Harley Speaks at D.C. Anti-Hate Crimes Legislation Rally

[MaskedMiasma]

Just fuckin' lold.

[waluum]

She is wonderful evidence of the transformative grace of God, who alone is the source of truth and reason. That truth and reason is reflected in His ways, which are established in the hearts of His children, and were elaborated on by the great Saints in the Holy Scriptures (ie: Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, etc).

[CosmicSeaman]

She is evidence of a sick belief system.

[cherrydog9]

yeah he loves us so much he'll send us to eternal hell based on who we love. makes sense to me.

[waluum]

That's an unwise statement.

He is our Creator, who brought us into being for His purpose and His glory. Our purpose is to hold fast to His will and ways in our lives, which means to honor His commands and those of the Saints of scripture, who communed closely with Him (ie: Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10)...

[cherrydog9]

and no less the reality of the situation according to your imaginary sadistic sky wizard

[waluum]

...Would you say that a pedophile deserves to be separated from God if he destroys the life of a child but calls it love? Certainly. I do not say that homosexuality and pedophilia are one and the same, but indeed they share the same ground in that they are both transgressions of God's will and way. So if you live contrary to what He wills, why should you deserve to dwell with Him for eternity in His Kingdom after this life?

[cherrydog9]

because he is supposed to be infinitely loving and created me this way? just a wild guess.

and yes, you just compared me to pedophiles who exploit children. par for the course. if he exists as you claim, your god is a sadist and a megalomaniac of unfathomable proportions.

[waluum]

Why do you even refer to Him if you do not believe in His existence?

He did not create a man to lay with a man. Men are tempted in various ways, and to those whom the temptation of homosexuality falls on, they accept it by perpetuating it, and so they convince themselves that they were that way to begin with.

Acknowledge the way in which I compared you, not the fact that I compared you (as I could compare myself to Hitler, both of us being European men, but am otherwise unlike him).

[cherrydog9]

it's called a hypothetical statement. it's a common technique in debate.

so "he" gives us this desire and then expects us to deny it, lest we be tormented forever in hell. yeah, "he" sounds like sadistic psychopath to me. and to many of us.

and the fact that you compared me to a pedophile, bespeaks the way. it is diabolical to villianize gays like that.

we're not submitting to your or "his" spiritual threats anymore. that's reality.

[waluum]

You're looking at it one-dimensionally. Those who do not know Him will innevitably fall into sin, not even knowing it (as not knowing Him means not knowing His ways - sin being transgression of those ways). A man who does not know it and is a long-time homosexual does not have to be separated from Him if he comes to know Him (then knowing His ways) and repents of his transgressions. He will receive mercy and be saved from his fleshly nature and born again in the spirit to a new way of living...

[waluum]

...which is by Him and for Him. Living for Him does not appeal to those who do not know His character and His heart, and only those who He reveals Himself to will know Him - that is the only way and requires that a man humble himself to Him and repent of His ways, pleading to be saved from his wicked nature. Do not consider, though, that you can only understand this in the second hand by my telling you of it. Indeed many have been in your shoes and have come to know Him...

[waluum]

...Do not spend the one life that you have here avoiding this ultimate question. Do not be so stubborn and angry that you cannot put your pride aside and humble yourself to ask Him to reveal Himself to you in your heart. You seem to know some things of scripture, but your picture is very incomplete and you do yourself a severe injustice by not looking further into it. Even if you choose to disregard what I have said, read the gospel of John (it's the fourth book of the New Testament)...

[waluum]

...It will paint a more complete picture of the reason for my love for Him, and indeed the love that every Christian closely shares. The Gospel is, through and through, what Christianity is ALL about!

[cherrydog9]

lotta words. but basically your message boils down to "repent or burn", for everybody. but for some reason, it's always most forcefully directed at gay people.

so consider yourself and your sadist megalomaniacal deity disregarded.

because "his" spiritual threats and infinite egotism are the true wickedness in this picture.

sad you cannot see your own role in this.

praising people who minimize the violence against us. it's truly anti-"christian", actually.

[waluum]

Yes, you are correct, the ultimate fork in the road is eternity with God or apart from Him.

You say these things as one who refuses to admit that he is not his own creation, that he was not brought into being by accident or coincidence. You were created by God - your body was provided for the spirit which God himself brought into being - but until you accept that I do not expect you to change your way of thinking.

You have not read the Gospels therefore you do not know Christianity.

[cherrydog9]

no, the fork in the road is in choosing love of humanity, reason and social justice or not.

you've got some chutzpah presuming what i have or have not read. typical "christian".

you worship a pyschopathic megalomaniac who willingly gave over his devoted servant job to be satan's plaything. and you expect everybody else to fall on their knees for this? absurd.

if you have the guts, you should look deep into your heart and brain and question why you worship such a fiendish creation

[waluum]

He was not created, but is the Uncaused Cause. If you accepted that much you would realize that every aspect of reality (aka, creation) is governed by Him, therefore your opinion is the only one that is relative (relative to whatever twisted line of reasoning came to influence you, at that).

[cherrydog9]

so the first part is a baseless assertion and the second part makes no sense.

and my "twisted line of reasoning" is actually very straightforward. try it sometime. or not. whatev.