the bible is shit jesus is fake the bible stories are still stories people were killing before jesus and after jesus and while he was here so what did he do?
I remember watching TROY, starring Brad Pitt, in the scene where I think Achilles is talking to Patroclus and he tells him, "We men are wretched things."
It's been a long time since I've seen the movie (and I by no means condone it because it's extremely violent and has nudity and sex scenes, Psalm 101.3) so I don't remember what they said afterward, but I'm pretty sure that Achilles never offered a solution to the problem.
Humanists may spend an inordinate amount of time trying to make us good about ourselves,but fundamentalists commit the equal but opposite error of trying to make us feel bad about ourselves.Both pay too much attention to the "self" period.
Also,what I meant by my question "the heart of which man?" is that the content of your heart,like the content of your mind is determined by the the values you accept.
Thoughful people have been debating who or what has the final say on right or wrong since time began.What I'm saying is that a person's moral character is determined by the choices he makes.The doctrine of innate depravity implies that a person os guilty before he is even born.That is like condemning one for simply being human.
As unfair as that may seem, Honestly consider the world around you, is this a fair just world? do you see us getting better in time or worse? Do you yourself, lie, steal, lust,? Have you been effected by Sin, felt guilty? Deep down inside do you long for justice?
I honestly see the world as it is:A planet inhabited by billions of people from every race,religion, and nationality.Some are fair and just,some are not.
Your not dealing with the issue...you want to pass judgment on the condition man kind is born into because it "seems subversive to the very concept of morality and justice". But on the other hand you have no common standard to judge anything...you need to to the work, not just use broad genreal statements that don't address reality...that is way I keep asking specific questions, we live life in the details..How do you address the question in the video..is the heart of man good or evil?
Yes, as it says in the Bible, we are born enemies of God. This is why if you honest with the evidence you would conclude that this are increasingly getting worse. Most everyone agrees that mankind is getting worse, your not being honest...
Most everyone also agrees that life in the modern world is far better than it was in The ancient world,or the world of the Middle Ages.Why do you think that is so?
Follow the subject, if as the Bible purposes the Heart of man is more evil then good, over time evil would increase, we're not tailking about "Life" like advances in the quality of life...sure we can now live longer due to medical advances....but look at the last century, 2 world wars, Marxism, China, Mankind killed more people in that century then in all past century put together. Rape, Idenity theif, corperate greed, all the current wars going on now....we are clearly increasing in evil.
Communism,fascism,and nazism proved nothing about human nature per se,but did clearly demonstrate the power that ideologies have over the minds of men.Also,if you study those systems of thought in depth,you will find the one thing all of them had in common was hatred for the Enlightenment view of man as essentially rational,free,and good.
Also,just because war exist doesn't prove anything about human nature either,but it does prove something about the "nature" of those who instigate wars. In the same way the fact of crime doesn't imply anything about humanity but says much about the criminal.A criminal and his victim are not morally eqivalent.A nation bent on destroying or conquering other nations is not morally eqivalent to the nation which engages in war to defend itself.
The existence of war simply proves the existence of a conflict between good and evil, which unfortunately results in millions of innocent people becoming victims of the criminals who start the wars.
By "good" I simply mean essentially decent. Of course people sin,but to say that the guilt of sin or the proclivity to sin,even against one's will,is transmitted from one generation to the next seems to me just another way of saying that everything we do is determined by forces beyond our control.How is that different from fate,or Karma,or biological determinism,or for that matter, just saying that "the devil made me do it"?
What is this collective "we"? All people are not guilty of rape, identity theft,corporate greed, or war.Collective guilt is a myth.Individuals are to blame for those things,not the entire race.
If mankind is getting worse then where is the evidence to prove it.Nothing in reality,including the human race,inevitably gets worse or better.You know as well as I do that there are periods of moral decline and there are periods of moral progress.What is the reason for that other than human choice?
Of Course, have you ever seen a two year old's Angry when you tell the NO, if that 2 year ols was in an adult body, He'd kill his parents to get his way...
the bible is fake the stories fake and some of them are useful there isnt an answer for everything even in the bible before anybody ever called on jesus or yaweh men have been doing what we have been doing
A person is born into a condition of innocence.One cannot be guilty of a crime until he commits one.For instance,you can't say someone is guilty of stealing until he has actually stolen something;before that he was guiltless of that offence.
(you can't say) your right I can't say but God can...Romans 5:12-20 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned— 13for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam,who was a pattern of the one to come.
15But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.
17For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ. 18Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.
19For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. 20The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Yes,I do see the modern world as a great improvement in just about every respect to the pre-modern world,or the world that will result if current philosophical or religious trends like postmodernism, mysticism or fundamentalism become the dominate worldview.
"reason decides" OK, so there is this millionare that lives down the street from me he has so much money, so I broke into his house and took some, because I have a sick child that needs medicine..Didn't hurt nobody I know deep down inside it was wrong, but it seems reasonable that I took it...What say you, was I right or wrong?
What if you were a citizen of nazi Germany and you were hiding jews in your attic? Do you belive it would be "wrong" to lie about thier whereabouts to the Gestapo?I would consider lying in that context morally good,and would do it without apology.
Now, this is more like it....No it would clearly not be wrong because God teaches that love protects, The atheistic Nazi's were deceived by Satan's evolutionary lies into thinking they were helping God by killing Jews, true Christians the crippled, and blacks. God's law overrides man's...his standards are perfect.
Hitler was many things,but I don't think one could legitimately call him an atheist.His religion was a bizarre mix of christianity,occultism, and pagan myth.
Actually,I don't dwell much on such questions as the one you asked.I know from my own experience and observation that I'm as capable and as guilty of "sin" as the rest of the human race.But I always considered sin more an act than a state of being.
Actually,I don't dwell much on such questions as the one you asked.I know from my own experience and observation that I'm as capable and as guilty of "sin" as the rest of the human race.But I always considered sin more an act than a state of being.
Actually,I don't dwell much on such questions as the one you asked.I know from my own experience and observation that I'm as capable and as guilty of "sin" as the rest of the human race.But I always considered sin more an act than a state of being.
When referring to the "heart of man" in the context that you just watched, you should be able to see that I'm talking about the inner core person, the "self" not the organ that pumps blood...what do you think, is your inner self good or evil?
A dog taught by an evil man will make for a evil dog yet raised by a good man makes for a good dog. Thus the same with man WITH or Without GOD or this fiction you believe. Cross? Jesus? pfft there is as much more evidence showing GOD is false then there is showing he is real... And if he is real call him down to save everyone... What's he waiting for? Oh yeah for you all to wake up
Your logic still points towards that fact the we are evil, your arguing that enviorment influences whether your good or evil, so if we take that approach we end up with the same conclusion. Is the world getting better or worse? if you say worse, then we are more evil then good, which is what this video is saying. if you say the world is getting better, your not being honest with the evidence.
Only WE can save it. No one is going to do it for us. Not Jesus, not the "Space Brothers", not anyone. The human race is responsible for its own future. To think a parent will come down and fix everything is to live in a dangerous world of fantasy. It's unfortunate so many people do.
Well, the Scriptures don't teach that God is everyone's parent so you are pretty much refuting a straw man. Those who have His Spirit cry out "Father" and are his children. Those who are not born again, are the children of the devil and the lusts of their father they will do. So, in reality, believers' Parent will come down, save them, and "fix everything", but unbelievers' parent isn't. In fact, the unbelievers' parent destroys everything.
MAN has the ability to be beyond the concept of "good and evil" should man stop trying to rationalize everything with the power of a unforeseen effigy of a man who never really was. (least not as your beliefs would make him) I don't think man is a god however man has power over his own destiny and your believes would have a man believe only creator with no origin nor form of manifestation has the control leading man to wait of it.
I would also like to add that the bible... the idea of Jehovah...
Would have mankind believe this world is belongs to them. This world and all in it "were made for mankind" this view is exactly why most "American" christians don't give a damn about the world around them "cause god is going to take them from this world and it all will be better" so they basically treat it like the average land field where they think it will just be gone one day.
Hollywood usualy recommends [as the solution to the world's problems] pre-marital sex, fornication and, of course more than anything, violence. A number of more recent films actually specifically reject Christianity, but then 90% of directors there in Hollywood are not Christian, not even nominally, so it is not too much of a surprise. It is odd to see it so slickly pkg.ed and marketed though ..
"A number of more recent films actually specifically reject Christianity"
Name Five. Even if you can, so what. Hollywood can produce what it wants. No Christian is forced to see it. If the Christian community in the U.S. spent as much time making their own films instead of bitching about Hollywood, they'd have more credibility.
Currently, Beowulf, where Christianity is specifically rejected by the principal character. Also "The Golden Compass" specifically puts the Magistarium [known as the Bishops of the Church] at evil and gives everyone a demon. All Harry Potter movies defacto reject Christianity to embrace witchcraft. National Treasure embraces another inimical: Freemasonry. Many movies attack Chrisitanity e.g. Da Vinci Code. Many knowingly embrace moral principle(s) at odds such as fornication or revenge violence.
Another movie 30 Days of Night says: "God(?), no God" and fills the screen with a blood fest. Black Christmas "blackens" a principal Christian holiday and so on .. Hollywood does a lot of Christianity bashing both direct and indirect.
A thief isn't going to lead you to the true definition of what a thief is, just the same as a sinner won't lead you to the true definition of what we are by nature. The self-esteem movement isn't of God.
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
the bible is shit jesus is fake the bible stories are still stories people were killing before jesus and after jesus and while he was here so what did he do?
thegreatonecometh200 2 years ago
I remember watching TROY, starring Brad Pitt, in the scene where I think Achilles is talking to Patroclus and he tells him, "We men are wretched things."
It's been a long time since I've seen the movie (and I by no means condone it because it's extremely violent and has nudity and sex scenes, Psalm 101.3) so I don't remember what they said afterward, but I'm pretty sure that Achilles never offered a solution to the problem.
chistolero 2 years ago
good vid mate. Not soft on the truth, I like that!
BenPeckover 3 years ago
Watch my response video. You might find it edifying, I believe.
Scorner99 3 years ago
Humanists may spend an inordinate amount of time trying to make us good about ourselves,but fundamentalists commit the equal but opposite error of trying to make us feel bad about ourselves.Both pay too much attention to the "self" period.
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
Also,what I meant by my question "the heart of which man?" is that the content of your heart,like the content of your mind is determined by the the values you accept.
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
So you mean to say that you have they final say on right or wrong?
truth4U2C 4 years ago
Thoughful people have been debating who or what has the final say on right or wrong since time began.What I'm saying is that a person's moral character is determined by the choices he makes.The doctrine of innate depravity implies that a person os guilty before he is even born.That is like condemning one for simply being human.
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
As unfair as that may seem, Honestly consider the world around you, is this a fair just world? do you see us getting better in time or worse? Do you yourself, lie, steal, lust,? Have you been effected by Sin, felt guilty? Deep down inside do you long for justice?
shorelineoftahoe 4 years ago
I honestly see the world as it is:A planet inhabited by billions of people from every race,religion, and nationality.Some are fair and just,some are not.
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
To declare a person guilty simply because he was born a member of the human race seems subversive to the very concept of morality and justice.
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
Your not dealing with the issue...you want to pass judgment on the condition man kind is born into because it "seems subversive to the very concept of morality and justice". But on the other hand you have no common standard to judge anything...you need to to the work, not just use broad genreal statements that don't address reality...that is way I keep asking specific questions, we live life in the details..How do you address the question in the video..is the heart of man good or evil?
truth4U2C 4 years ago
Ok,lets put it this way:If you have a child,do you think he or she is guilty of YOUR sins?Or are children born innocent of any wrongdoing?
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
Yes, as it says in the Bible, we are born enemies of God. This is why if you honest with the evidence you would conclude that this are increasingly getting worse. Most everyone agrees that mankind is getting worse, your not being honest...
truth4U2C 4 years ago
Most everyone also agrees that life in the modern world is far better than it was in The ancient world,or the world of the Middle Ages.Why do you think that is so?
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
Follow the subject, if as the Bible purposes the Heart of man is more evil then good, over time evil would increase, we're not tailking about "Life" like advances in the quality of life...sure we can now live longer due to medical advances....but look at the last century, 2 world wars, Marxism, China, Mankind killed more people in that century then in all past century put together. Rape, Idenity theif, corperate greed, all the current wars going on now....we are clearly increasing in evil.
truth4U2C 4 years ago
Communism,fascism,and nazism proved nothing about human nature per se,but did clearly demonstrate the power that ideologies have over the minds of men.Also,if you study those systems of thought in depth,you will find the one thing all of them had in common was hatred for the Enlightenment view of man as essentially rational,free,and good.
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
Also,just because war exist doesn't prove anything about human nature either,but it does prove something about the "nature" of those who instigate wars. In the same way the fact of crime doesn't imply anything about humanity but says much about the criminal.A criminal and his victim are not morally eqivalent.A nation bent on destroying or conquering other nations is not morally eqivalent to the nation which engages in war to defend itself.
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
The existence of war simply proves the existence of a conflict between good and evil, which unfortunately results in millions of innocent people becoming victims of the criminals who start the wars.
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
By "good" I simply mean essentially decent. Of course people sin,but to say that the guilt of sin or the proclivity to sin,even against one's will,is transmitted from one generation to the next seems to me just another way of saying that everything we do is determined by forces beyond our control.How is that different from fate,or Karma,or biological determinism,or for that matter, just saying that "the devil made me do it"?
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
What is this collective "we"? All people are not guilty of rape, identity theft,corporate greed, or war.Collective guilt is a myth.Individuals are to blame for those things,not the entire race.
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
If mankind is getting worse then where is the evidence to prove it.Nothing in reality,including the human race,inevitably gets worse or better.You know as well as I do that there are periods of moral decline and there are periods of moral progress.What is the reason for that other than human choice?
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
So you evidently think that a newborn child deliberately rebels against God?
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
Of Course, have you ever seen a two year old's Angry when you tell the NO, if that 2 year ols was in an adult body, He'd kill his parents to get his way...
truth4U2C 4 years ago
the bible is fake the stories fake and some of them are useful there isnt an answer for everything even in the bible before anybody ever called on jesus or yaweh men have been doing what we have been doing
thegreatonecometh200 2 years ago
A person is born into a condition of innocence.One cannot be guilty of a crime until he commits one.For instance,you can't say someone is guilty of stealing until he has actually stolen something;before that he was guiltless of that offence.
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
(you can't say) your right I can't say but God can...Romans 5:12-20 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned— 13for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam,who was a pattern of the one to come.
truth4U2C 4 years ago
15But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.
truth4U2C 4 years ago
17For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ. 18Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.
truth4U2C 4 years ago
19For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. 20The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
truth4U2C 4 years ago
Yes,I do see the modern world as a great improvement in just about every respect to the pre-modern world,or the world that will result if current philosophical or religious trends like postmodernism, mysticism or fundamentalism become the dominate worldview.
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
I mean to say that ultimately reason decides what is right or wrong.
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
"reason decides" OK, so there is this millionare that lives down the street from me he has so much money, so I broke into his house and took some, because I have a sick child that needs medicine..Didn't hurt nobody I know deep down inside it was wrong, but it seems reasonable that I took it...What say you, was I right or wrong?
truth4U2C 4 years ago
No,it doesn't seem reasonable,just forgivable.
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
No...then why would I need to be forgiven?
truth4U2C 4 years ago
For the sins YOU commit,not the sins of your anscestors.
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
What if you were a citizen of nazi Germany and you were hiding jews in your attic? Do you belive it would be "wrong" to lie about thier whereabouts to the Gestapo?I would consider lying in that context morally good,and would do it without apology.
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
Now, this is more like it....No it would clearly not be wrong because God teaches that love protects, The atheistic Nazi's were deceived by Satan's evolutionary lies into thinking they were helping God by killing Jews, true Christians the crippled, and blacks. God's law overrides man's...his standards are perfect.
truth4U2C 4 years ago
Hitler was many things,but I don't think one could legitimately call him an atheist.His religion was a bizarre mix of christianity,occultism, and pagan myth.
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
Granted he was a mix, but in no way Christian, and you find his love of Darwin all over his world view
watch 8FKHaSROt18
truth4U2C 4 years ago
One act of love can redirect the course of one's life,even though it won't in any way erase the effects of the evil deeds he has committed.
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
Actually,I don't dwell much on such questions as the one you asked.I know from my own experience and observation that I'm as capable and as guilty of "sin" as the rest of the human race.But I always considered sin more an act than a state of being.
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
Actually,I don't dwell much on such questions as the one you asked.I know from my own experience and observation that I'm as capable and as guilty of "sin" as the rest of the human race.But I always considered sin more an act than a state of being.
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
Actually,I don't dwell much on such questions as the one you asked.I know from my own experience and observation that I'm as capable and as guilty of "sin" as the rest of the human race.But I always considered sin more an act than a state of being.
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
Sorry about that...don't know what happened.
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
The heart of which man?
loudnmouthy 4 years ago
When referring to the "heart of man" in the context that you just watched, you should be able to see that I'm talking about the inner core person, the "self" not the organ that pumps blood...what do you think, is your inner self good or evil?
truth4U2C 4 years ago
Great video!
TheLewie 4 years ago 2
Great gospel message.
unworthyofHisgrace 4 years ago 2
Good dose of truth, Truth...one of the few men to speak it.
scribe7580 4 years ago 3
Thanks for the encouragement!
truth4U2C 4 years ago
this is gay...
A dog taught by an evil man will make for a evil dog yet raised by a good man makes for a good dog. Thus the same with man WITH or Without GOD or this fiction you believe. Cross? Jesus? pfft there is as much more evidence showing GOD is false then there is showing he is real... And if he is real call him down to save everyone... What's he waiting for? Oh yeah for you all to wake up
Ascellius 4 years ago
Your logic still points towards that fact the we are evil, your arguing that enviorment influences whether your good or evil, so if we take that approach we end up with the same conclusion. Is the world getting better or worse? if you say worse, then we are more evil then good, which is what this video is saying. if you say the world is getting better, your not being honest with the evidence.
truth4U2C 4 years ago
The world is deterorating, who can Save it?
truth4U2C 4 years ago
"The world is deterorating, who can Save it?"
Only WE can save it. No one is going to do it for us. Not Jesus, not the "Space Brothers", not anyone. The human race is responsible for its own future. To think a parent will come down and fix everything is to live in a dangerous world of fantasy. It's unfortunate so many people do.
SecularNATION 4 years ago
Well, the Scriptures don't teach that God is everyone's parent so you are pretty much refuting a straw man. Those who have His Spirit cry out "Father" and are his children. Those who are not born again, are the children of the devil and the lusts of their father they will do. So, in reality, believers' Parent will come down, save them, and "fix everything", but unbelievers' parent isn't. In fact, the unbelievers' parent destroys everything.
LaneCh 4 years ago 2
this is to both of your comments.
MAN can save the world.
MAN has the ability to be beyond the concept of "good and evil" should man stop trying to rationalize everything with the power of a unforeseen effigy of a man who never really was. (least not as your beliefs would make him) I don't think man is a god however man has power over his own destiny and your believes would have a man believe only creator with no origin nor form of manifestation has the control leading man to wait of it.
Ascellius 2 years ago
and that was a reply from a year ago.
I would also like to add that the bible... the idea of Jehovah...
Would have mankind believe this world is belongs to them. This world and all in it "were made for mankind" this view is exactly why most "American" christians don't give a damn about the world around them "cause god is going to take them from this world and it all will be better" so they basically treat it like the average land field where they think it will just be gone one day.
Ascellius 2 years ago
Great video, Bob. Even though Hollywood doesn't present the gospel, we can still use a film's presentation of views and jump into ministry.
livingpicture 4 years ago 3
Bob!!!!So good to have you back.Another great vid!!!
johnr316 4 years ago 2
The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?
Jeremiah 17:9
woodellkw 4 years ago 3
Hollywood usualy recommends [as the solution to the world's problems] pre-marital sex, fornication and, of course more than anything, violence. A number of more recent films actually specifically reject Christianity, but then 90% of directors there in Hollywood are not Christian, not even nominally, so it is not too much of a surprise. It is odd to see it so slickly pkg.ed and marketed though ..
GuidSaucy 4 years ago 2
"A number of more recent films actually specifically reject Christianity"
Name Five. Even if you can, so what. Hollywood can produce what it wants. No Christian is forced to see it. If the Christian community in the U.S. spent as much time making their own films instead of bitching about Hollywood, they'd have more credibility.
SecularNATION 4 years ago
Currently, Beowulf, where Christianity is specifically rejected by the principal character. Also "The Golden Compass" specifically puts the Magistarium [known as the Bishops of the Church] at evil and gives everyone a demon. All Harry Potter movies defacto reject Christianity to embrace witchcraft. National Treasure embraces another inimical: Freemasonry. Many movies attack Chrisitanity e.g. Da Vinci Code. Many knowingly embrace moral principle(s) at odds such as fornication or revenge violence.
GuidSaucy 4 years ago 2
Another movie 30 Days of Night says: "God(?), no God" and fills the screen with a blood fest. Black Christmas "blackens" a principal Christian holiday and so on .. Hollywood does a lot of Christianity bashing both direct and indirect.
GuidSaucy 4 years ago
yeah. your back
kendowgproductions 4 years ago
A thief isn't going to lead you to the true definition of what a thief is, just the same as a sinner won't lead you to the true definition of what we are by nature. The self-esteem movement isn't of God.
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
(Jer 17:9)
Great commentary, t4u2c.
LaneCh 4 years ago 2