Not sure if you realized it but Net Neutrality has been around since the 90s. Using the word "regulations" is a mis-nomer that the trash in washington has manipulated the right into thinking it was bad.
what I would like to see is more affordable Internet service access and a speed regulation of no less then 4 megabits per second this is a must since HD is now standerd.
This person is a shill, stirring up fear of government takeover and lies about what net neutrality is, in favor of Net Bias (you may only access the information that ISPs want you to access, and you have to pay whatever they tell you to pay in order to do it). If you want to be told which sites you may or may not visit, blast away in favor of censorship. If you want to keep civil liberty and access to the global network that you paid for with tax $, then support net neutrality.
This person is a shill, stirring up fear of government takeover and lies about what net neutrality is, in favor of Net Bias (you may only access the information that ISPs want you to access, and you have to pay whatever they tell you to pay in order to do it). If you want to be told which sites you may or may not visit, blast away in favor of censorship. If you want to keep civil liberty and access to the global network that you paid for with tax $, then support net neutrality.
Actually our current system IS net neutrality....so they are not changing anything. They are proposing a law so that companies could not all decide to start doing this.
Um what? Companies throttle back your connection speed to near nothing just for USING IT.
They are placing bandwidth caps to stop things like netflix, and a lot more. Why? Because netflix means no money for the cable company when you watch a movie with netflix!
What EXACTLY are they trying to regulate here is my number one issue.. Are they planning on regulating what you can or can't do on the internet, or are they planning on regulating how much Comcast and Verizon have power over what you can or cannot do on the internet? Because I KNOW that Comcast and Verizon recently got a whole lot more unnecessary power on allowing how many people can go to certain websites at a time. This affects net neutrality negatively. It was working fine BEFORE that bill.
net neutrality regulation is important because america is capitalism gone awry, and people aren't as powerful as big business regardless of what theory thought. most places in the states have one or two ISPs, no more. but is this bill the right one? maybe not. not if it can be used backwards to hurt the open internet like you suggest. the best thing we can do is learn and fight for what we believe in. good work and keep fighting for liberty.
"As the most participatory form of mass speech yet developed, the Internet deserves the highest protection from government intrusion." --- Three judge panel ruling to the FCC on internet freedom - 1996.
Amen to that! These clowns are pulling stuff out of the closet for the all out onslaught. Firearms, Free speech, and what in the world is the Whitehouse doing attacking ONE news agency? The most successful news agency at that. What a coincidence. These sissy tyrants are asking for lead in their diet, they believe they have convinced the American people of their ways because everyone is politically correct. Time for us to do away with the gay chatter and start speaking like patriots.
ISPs like Comcast are saying, "Well, net neutrality would stifle investment and innovation." while saying out the other side of their mouth, "But we'll never engage in traffic shaping on a large scale! We promise!"
Has it ever run through that blonde head of yours that the vast increase of users and incredible explosion in applications in the past couple years might be a factor in the initially slow adoption of traffic shaping? That the amount of money now involved is a less trivial factor?
... Because, like. Here there used to be only ONE internet provider, i think in like 2003 or something like that -- & we're still using them, & they're a not-uber-known one either. Now, there's bound to be plenty, I'm sure.
The internet was made, and the the guy made no profit. And practically everyone in developed countries has access to it, even if it's at an internet cafe or something like that.
I stumbled on this with youtube related vids ness. And I don't think that this Restricting the Internet thing is happening over here in the UK .. Well, the trying-to of it.
But it's the internet guys trying to get morrre morre money, now that there's more internet companies. Too much competition between them ...
@GGGG4G: On top of that, he has the audacity to call it the Internet NEUTRALITY Act. WHAT'S THAT SUPPOSED TO INFER? Does Markey intend to neuter Freedom of Speech? Does he actually believe he has the authority to deny, We the People, a fundamental right? He's obviously following the marching orders from the NWO elite, who probably promised him a bid at the White House someday, or a seat on some court bench, etc., if he was a good lapdog, and did what he was told.
well every once in a while, they throw us a bone, but most of the time they do what ever they want despite what we the people want, and what they do pass, you can bet its to screw us again, thanks for your work to inform us as to what to expect next, I think?
Markey should be impeached for violating oath of office. What's with those lunatics in the Northeast US who continue to vote Marxists into office? Get a rope!
I think we need gov't regulation to make sure we all eat daily.
Yeah, about a 1,000 page bill ought to cover all the details. The gov't will contract with the phone companies (who will have spent millions lobbying for the bill) to give everyone in the US a friendly phone call daily to remind them to eat.
Those without phones will be given a new one, but their old phone will have to be destroyed (Cash for Callers).
And we'll need to print another $ Trillion just to be on the safe side.
saying regulation rulemaking is needed to keep somthing that works well now without rules is no different than saying you should DRINK POISION TO KEEP YOU BODY POISION FREE.
Shelley, I don't trust legislation either. But the whole discussion should be framed in the context that telcos & cable companies are to some extent coercive monopolies in highly regulated atmospheres, much like power utilities. My outlook is anarchist/libertarian, and I wish other libertarians would see this. What we really need is comprehensive deregulation of the whole system.
Not if you keep doing what you are doing! And if it does, wouldn't you think another communication tool would rise rather quickly? I mean the paper, radio, and t.v. were all somewhat free media when they started before slowly getting regulated right? I really hope that if this turns ugly, it spawnes a tool even faster and more direct than the internet! Progress is what we do best, ya?
I hope some day it does. :-) Has anyone ever proposed or outlined a comprehensive program for deregulating the telcos and cable companies? I would love to see it.
Shelley, thank you so much for the exchange and for your channel. What I really like is how you combine an organic, holistic outlook with a libertarian perspective. Awesome!
of course there is a need for regulation, you dont honestly think the governement and their puppet masters want we the people to have a true free speech do you? i mean its not like its a god given right or anything...
Net Neutrality is bad if it allows the government to create regulations. Government would be more restrictive than the companies that depend on customers to generate a profit and would have more to lose than the government if they put limits on their product.
This is how they always do it. Bureaucrats collude with big business to make you pay more. They have been doing this to us for over 100 years. Please read the following and understand how the public is used and abused and why the federal govt must be drastically reduced in size, scope and power.
Independent media is vital to a democracy. Too bad our democracy is an illusion, because the Mainstream media is owned by only six corporations. You know the system is corrupt when the CEO of Disney is also a chairman for Halliburton, you know the private contractors making money off the war in Iraq.
The united states is a republic. Not a democracy. In a republic, the people decide what we want and the elected statesmen push our agenda's. In a democracy, we vote for on who we want to dictate us. If we would just stick with the republic idea that we ARE, we wouldn't have these problems to begin with.
So the Gov pretty much gives away something America built to the rest of the world, does pretty much nothing to help with spam and foreign scams, runs every program they ever touched into bankruptcy and now they want to regulate it? The U.S. Government, especially under Democratic control, is so full of shit.
Regulations protect monopolies of big corporations. News papers started as lots of pamphleters. Then it was consolidated and controlled, so now we have the "free press" yippeeeeee.
I can't remember a time in my life when I have had the government so in my face! This is fascism/corporatism straight up. However...I hope they keep doing it. They are screwing up and biting off more than they can chew.
New regulations, commisars Soviet style, bailout packages for the criminal bankers, more powers for the Federal Reserve, short selling restrictions, etc etc.. it is great to see people speaking out against this developing fascism- thank you standing up for those who are not able to fight, Shelly.
What needs to happen is that all regulation "which is unconstitutional" needs to be gotten rid of. The FCC is unconstitutional. The clause "to regulate commerce" meant to keep commerce regular... it DID NOT MEAN CONTROL!!! Of course, for you libs out there who want nothing more than to only hear your point of view voiced and want nothing more than for people to do everything you say... control is exactly what you need... so you will always argue for complete control over all our lives.
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I'm sorry, Shelley, but this is something I am going to have to partly disagree with you on. While Net Neutrality laws are probably not needed at this point, please keep in mind that the telcos in particular are as highly regulated and corrupt as the banking industry. Regulations in this area may be needed in the future unless we undo all the fundamental regulation that keeps them from being a free market.
Tzankich, you should actually respond to my point. My issue is that coverage of this issue is one-sided, which is the corporate trap that libertarians sometimes fall into. Telcos are not free-market, so you either have to make them free-market or regulate them. Same with Fannie & Freddie. AT&T was already caught in censorship of an anti-Bush song by Pearl Jam in 2007.
I want to make them free-market. I think most people here don't get the issue, and want to cheerlead.
bearcat648: I guess it comes down to temperament. Personally, I don't trust Congress + their corporate sponsors to enact legislation that isn't slanted in favor of the corporate sponsors. Our current system is one in which big corporations own politicians, and work with them to craft legislation. Look at Monsanto's lobbying and the effect it's had on the biotech industry, for example. So am I ever going to give govt the benefit of the doubt? Nope. That's how we got in this mess.
Hey tzankich, I mean that this not a question of govt vs companies. The cable companies and telcos are highly regulated and work with govt. We had effective Net Neutrality until 2005. We probably don't need it now, but if we didn't have it in 1995, the internet today might look more like interactive television .
they always gotta hid their true intentions behind protectionist bill titles. im done with politicians; they need to tarred and feathered, hung, castrated and crucified.... not necessarily in that order.
Not sure if you realized it but Net Neutrality has been around since the 90s. Using the word "regulations" is a mis-nomer that the trash in washington has manipulated the right into thinking it was bad.
screwopenborders 3 months ago
You are Smart AND Beautiful! Marry ME!
derekHSmith 4 months ago
@derekHSmith Unfortunately she isn't smart on this issue. Apparently we've had net neutrality in place since the internet got big in the 90s.
screwopenborders 3 months ago
what I would like to see is more affordable Internet service access and a speed regulation of no less then 4 megabits per second this is a must since HD is now standerd.
bluetech7753 10 months ago
This person is a shill, stirring up fear of government takeover and lies about what net neutrality is, in favor of Net Bias (you may only access the information that ISPs want you to access, and you have to pay whatever they tell you to pay in order to do it). If you want to be told which sites you may or may not visit, blast away in favor of censorship. If you want to keep civil liberty and access to the global network that you paid for with tax $, then support net neutrality.
bigglebunny 1 year ago
This person is a shill, stirring up fear of government takeover and lies about what net neutrality is, in favor of Net Bias (you may only access the information that ISPs want you to access, and you have to pay whatever they tell you to pay in order to do it). If you want to be told which sites you may or may not visit, blast away in favor of censorship. If you want to keep civil liberty and access to the global network that you paid for with tax $, then support net neutrality.
bigglebunny 1 year ago
Actually our current system IS net neutrality....so they are not changing anything. They are proposing a law so that companies could not all decide to start doing this.
PirateoftheTouYube 1 year ago
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"Actually our current system IS net neutrality"
Um what? Companies throttle back your connection speed to near nothing just for USING IT.
They are placing bandwidth caps to stop things like netflix, and a lot more. Why? Because netflix means no money for the cable company when you watch a movie with netflix!
mecher3k 1 year ago
What EXACTLY are they trying to regulate here is my number one issue.. Are they planning on regulating what you can or can't do on the internet, or are they planning on regulating how much Comcast and Verizon have power over what you can or cannot do on the internet? Because I KNOW that Comcast and Verizon recently got a whole lot more unnecessary power on allowing how many people can go to certain websites at a time. This affects net neutrality negatively. It was working fine BEFORE that bill.
seanotube85 1 year ago
please, don't trust comcast, at&t and verizon!! they will eventually control the internet...not the GOVERNMENT!!!!
enorris2882 1 year ago
How long are we going to let the scum of the earth take whatever they want?
ChristianMuslum 2 years ago
net neutrality regulation is important because america is capitalism gone awry, and people aren't as powerful as big business regardless of what theory thought. most places in the states have one or two ISPs, no more. but is this bill the right one? maybe not. not if it can be used backwards to hurt the open internet like you suggest. the best thing we can do is learn and fight for what we believe in. good work and keep fighting for liberty.
moneyman10k 2 years ago
HOTNESS!!!
zenophon007 2 years ago
McCain the idiot accidently did something right with the Internet Freedom Act.
DCUPtoejuice 2 years ago
"As the most participatory form of mass speech yet developed, the Internet deserves the highest protection from government intrusion." --- Three judge panel ruling to the FCC on internet freedom - 1996.
scrubrush 2 years ago
Amen to that! These clowns are pulling stuff out of the closet for the all out onslaught. Firearms, Free speech, and what in the world is the Whitehouse doing attacking ONE news agency? The most successful news agency at that. What a coincidence. These sissy tyrants are asking for lead in their diet, they believe they have convinced the American people of their ways because everyone is politically correct. Time for us to do away with the gay chatter and start speaking like patriots.
goffnett 2 years ago
ISPs like Comcast are saying, "Well, net neutrality would stifle investment and innovation." while saying out the other side of their mouth, "But we'll never engage in traffic shaping on a large scale! We promise!"
Has it ever run through that blonde head of yours that the vast increase of users and incredible explosion in applications in the past couple years might be a factor in the initially slow adoption of traffic shaping? That the amount of money now involved is a less trivial factor?
picklebarrels 2 years ago
she better not come after me 4 child support damnit!!!
wilatemodel 2 years ago
you too....!
sonygvf 2 years ago
LMAO!!...i was wondering if anybody had a sence of humor out there...!!!..btw....is she EVER gunna take her top off?......
wilatemodel 2 years ago
haha some of us do...no she probably won't.
Late Model, what track? I used to run Rookie class at Lanier in Ga.
sonygvf 2 years ago
slinger,madison,rockford,the dells....scoot wimmer said lanier reminded him a lot of the dells....
wilatemodel 2 years ago
yep, big turns short straights...
sonygvf 2 years ago
slinger is the shit,.....super fast....
wilatemodel 2 years ago
cool...
sonygvf 2 years ago
check it out,..they have some videos on here...
wilatemodel 2 years ago
Thanks, will do...Lanier doesn't have much of a video presence here.
sonygvf 2 years ago
lol.....i noticed...there is a excellent in car where we were track champs 2 yrs ago,..the in car is of the guy we beat,...
wilatemodel 2 years ago
check out jason erickson sept 5 2009 here on youtube,...its the shit....our home track...till we went 2 slinger..
wilatemodel 2 years ago
... Because, like. Here there used to be only ONE internet provider, i think in like 2003 or something like that -- & we're still using them, & they're a not-uber-known one either. Now, there's bound to be plenty, I'm sure.
MissSpringyness 2 years ago
The internet was made, and the the guy made no profit. And practically everyone in developed countries has access to it, even if it's at an internet cafe or something like that.
I stumbled on this with youtube related vids ness. And I don't think that this Restricting the Internet thing is happening over here in the UK .. Well, the trying-to of it.
But it's the internet guys trying to get morrre morre money, now that there's more internet companies. Too much competition between them ...
MissSpringyness 2 years ago
Do not worry we still have freedom of speech as long as your in a Free Speech Zone. any thing else is Hate Speech you Racist homophobes
louis12346 2 years ago
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This is great information there always something new learn.Good video!
MoneyVP1 2 years ago
@GGGG4G: On top of that, he has the audacity to call it the Internet NEUTRALITY Act. WHAT'S THAT SUPPOSED TO INFER? Does Markey intend to neuter Freedom of Speech? Does he actually believe he has the authority to deny, We the People, a fundamental right? He's obviously following the marching orders from the NWO elite, who probably promised him a bid at the White House someday, or a seat on some court bench, etc., if he was a good lapdog, and did what he was told.
joe80dman 2 years ago
Must be nice to have 4 providers to choose from.
j4m6utube 2 years ago
am i supposed to take her seriously........all i am thinking is wow i wanna do her
derekdamnit 2 years ago
is this chick EVER gunna take her top off?.....jeeze.....
wilatemodel 2 years ago
Up is down.
Wet is dry.
Black is white.
What's yours is THEIRS!
Yakko77 2 years ago
Joe 80, you obviously don't know what a Marxist is, everyone in the NE should get a rope? Go fuck yourself you prick, you are an idiot.
StoneColdSteve98 2 years ago
well every once in a while, they throw us a bone, but most of the time they do what ever they want despite what we the people want, and what they do pass, you can bet its to screw us again, thanks for your work to inform us as to what to expect next, I think?
freepress666 2 years ago
Markey should be impeached for violating oath of office. What's with those lunatics in the Northeast US who continue to vote Marxists into office? Get a rope!
joe80dman 2 years ago
This November 5th help us promote!!
FOR LIBERTY!
Boratt69 2 years ago
"the internet freedom preservation act"
"the patriot act"
Should we just start assuming that the ACT will do the opposite of what the title implies?
shooter348 2 years ago 2
I think we need gov't regulation to make sure we all eat daily.
Yeah, about a 1,000 page bill ought to cover all the details. The gov't will contract with the phone companies (who will have spent millions lobbying for the bill) to give everyone in the US a friendly phone call daily to remind them to eat.
Those without phones will be given a new one, but their old phone will have to be destroyed (Cash for Callers).
And we'll need to print another $ Trillion just to be on the safe side.
OgeronimonominoregO 2 years ago
i want that.
arcanekrusader 2 years ago
"..Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master"
redcommand85 2 years ago 3
sex me, shelly roach.
n0us3rn4m3s4v41l4bl3 2 years ago
saying regulation rulemaking is needed to keep somthing that works well now without rules is no different than saying you should DRINK POISION TO KEEP YOU BODY POISION FREE.
ITS JUST NWO DOUBLESPEEK!!
unameitltd 2 years ago 3
Markey's just jealous because he still has dial-up.
theropingeffect 2 years ago
keep it up your doing a great thing
DeadlySoul123 2 years ago
I saw we burn Markey alive
mayhem1226 2 years ago
time warner want's all the business.....the govt' is afraid of what's ahppening and the people taking back their power.
mayhem1226 2 years ago
Shelley, I don't trust legislation either. But the whole discussion should be framed in the context that telcos & cable companies are to some extent coercive monopolies in highly regulated atmospheres, much like power utilities. My outlook is anarchist/libertarian, and I wish other libertarians would see this. What we really need is comprehensive deregulation of the whole system.
Thanks for your response. :-)
bearcat648 2 years ago
agreed. think that will ever happen?
BreakTheMatrix 2 years ago
Not if you keep doing what you are doing! And if it does, wouldn't you think another communication tool would rise rather quickly? I mean the paper, radio, and t.v. were all somewhat free media when they started before slowly getting regulated right? I really hope that if this turns ugly, it spawnes a tool even faster and more direct than the internet! Progress is what we do best, ya?
Cleancutchaos 2 years ago
I hope some day it does. :-) Has anyone ever proposed or outlined a comprehensive program for deregulating the telcos and cable companies? I would love to see it.
Shelley, thank you so much for the exchange and for your channel. What I really like is how you combine an organic, holistic outlook with a libertarian perspective. Awesome!
bearcat648 2 years ago
of course there is a need for regulation, you dont honestly think the governement and their puppet masters want we the people to have a true free speech do you? i mean its not like its a god given right or anything...
abntemplar82 2 years ago
they must take control of the only free press that's left
ubetcha13 2 years ago
This Congressman Markey, I don't care if he's a democrat or a republican. He needs to get shot in the face!
Leonidus82 2 years ago 2
way to end up on a watch list!
Oops since I wrote to you I guess me too.
ubetcha13 2 years ago
Great job Shelly, keep telling it the way it is.
sonygvf 2 years ago
good job keep it up.
Michael7893 2 years ago
Paging George Orwell. George Orwell, please pick up the white courtesy phone.
JiveDadson 2 years ago 2
super interesting! Great work
jeffreymharmon 2 years ago
Net Neutrality is bad if it allows the government to create regulations. Government would be more restrictive than the companies that depend on customers to generate a profit and would have more to lose than the government if they put limits on their product.
rayme4raw 2 years ago
Government has to try and control all aspects of our life's and now the internet too. Tyrants.
BLLAARRRGG 2 years ago
This is a just an Orwellian way of titling a bill that does the opposite.
"A regulation to make the internet free!"
Yeah right...
I wonder what "provisions" they slipped in, like allowing the president to turn off the net whenever he has an itch in his ass.
biped19 2 years ago 8
I think Congressman Markey needs a swift kick in his pussy!
Kras3169 2 years ago 10
Does he really have a.....oh never mind.....
sonygvf 2 years ago
what the hell is wrong with that Jew? oo wait I could get in trouble for that comment? If he gets his way?
Arginine88 2 years ago 3
This is how they always do it. Bureaucrats collude with big business to make you pay more. They have been doing this to us for over 100 years. Please read the following and understand how the public is used and abused and why the federal govt must be drastically reduced in size, scope and power.
cato . org /research /articles /cpr28n4-1 . html
kmg501 2 years ago 3
THANKS SHELLY XOXOX
llshamelessll 2 years ago
internet is information
control information , control the world
nephozo 2 years ago
simple regulate and then TAX
Sandmantheman02 2 years ago
Independent media is vital to a democracy. Too bad our democracy is an illusion, because the Mainstream media is owned by only six corporations. You know the system is corrupt when the CEO of Disney is also a chairman for Halliburton, you know the private contractors making money off the war in Iraq.
subjer0 2 years ago 2
The united states is a republic. Not a democracy. In a republic, the people decide what we want and the elected statesmen push our agenda's. In a democracy, we vote for on who we want to dictate us. If we would just stick with the republic idea that we ARE, we wouldn't have these problems to begin with.
TJMonster51 2 years ago
So the Gov pretty much gives away something America built to the rest of the world, does pretty much nothing to help with spam and foreign scams, runs every program they ever touched into bankruptcy and now they want to regulate it? The U.S. Government, especially under Democratic control, is so full of shit.
theaggravator 2 years ago
Blohard Markey! Would the sane peole of Massachusetts please get rid of him!
JSenator06 2 years ago
We need an Internet Czar! Yea, right!
WDeet 2 years ago
Nice to have you on the Peoples side Shelly, keep the good videos coming!
cowboyjim442003 2 years ago
Regulations protect monopolies of big corporations. News papers started as lots of pamphleters. Then it was consolidated and controlled, so now we have the "free press" yippeeeeee.
davidnightingale 2 years ago
Great info, thanks.
merryxster 2 years ago
this is so classic:
PROBLEM, REACTION, SOLUTION
PROBLEM: Internet provider throttling traffic
REACTION: Internet neutrality must be preserve
SOLUTION: more control and regulation applied to internet by big brother!
ENJOYOURMATRIXX 2 years ago 3
good info thanks
ENJOYOURMATRIXX 2 years ago
Five Stars!!
MadBadVoodo 2 years ago
I'm LOCK STEP with you Shelly !
DN Mushroom Club meeting Crescent City CA
Tereros across from the Fairgrounds
8 October (Thursday) 6 PM
Would love it if you came.
Snowflake70 2 years ago
I can't remember a time in my life when I have had the government so in my face! This is fascism/corporatism straight up. However...I hope they keep doing it. They are screwing up and biting off more than they can chew.
VictorTheGr8 2 years ago
Regulated free speech = oxymoron
Unelected FREE world government = oxymoron.
Regulated counterfeit money = oxymoron
There is a pattern forming here.
dlucas90 2 years ago
fight the government fascists.. all they want is control over you..
romeno182 2 years ago 2
New regulations, commisars Soviet style, bailout packages for the criminal bankers, more powers for the Federal Reserve, short selling restrictions, etc etc.. it is great to see people speaking out against this developing fascism- thank you standing up for those who are not able to fight, Shelly.
Steenville 2 years ago 2
The Net Neutrality bill is another way for government to start taking over the internet.
NET NEUTRALITY" WILL END NET FREEDOM
ww w.truthtellers.o rg/alerts/netneutralitywillendfreedom.h tm
VexRiot 2 years ago 4
What needs to happen is that all regulation "which is unconstitutional" needs to be gotten rid of. The FCC is unconstitutional. The clause "to regulate commerce" meant to keep commerce regular... it DID NOT MEAN CONTROL!!! Of course, for you libs out there who want nothing more than to only hear your point of view voiced and want nothing more than for people to do everything you say... control is exactly what you need... so you will always argue for complete control over all our lives.
PatriotsRepublic 2 years ago 2
Always nice to see you Shelly, we already have neutrality on the net, that's what they hate.
PressForFreedom 2 years ago
want a champagne manager :)
ihearbs25 2 years ago
The net needs to be free YOU CAN REGULATE INFORMATION!
chuckbear 2 years ago
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I'm sorry, Shelley, but this is something I am going to have to partly disagree with you on. While Net Neutrality laws are probably not needed at this point, please keep in mind that the telcos in particular are as highly regulated and corrupt as the banking industry. Regulations in this area may be needed in the future unless we undo all the fundamental regulation that keeps them from being a free market.
bearcat648 2 years ago
you must be speaking of banker laws. the supreme law of the land is the constitution. which one are you?
SteveXnycperformance 2 years ago 3
So replace the corrupt companies (regulated by free choice) with even more corrupt government control (regulated by sheer power)?
tzankich 2 years ago
Tzankich, you should actually respond to my point. My issue is that coverage of this issue is one-sided, which is the corporate trap that libertarians sometimes fall into. Telcos are not free-market, so you either have to make them free-market or regulate them. Same with Fannie & Freddie. AT&T was already caught in censorship of an anti-Bush song by Pearl Jam in 2007.
I want to make them free-market. I think most people here don't get the issue, and want to cheerlead.
bearcat648 2 years ago
bearcat648: I guess it comes down to temperament. Personally, I don't trust Congress + their corporate sponsors to enact legislation that isn't slanted in favor of the corporate sponsors. Our current system is one in which big corporations own politicians, and work with them to craft legislation. Look at Monsanto's lobbying and the effect it's had on the biotech industry, for example. So am I ever going to give govt the benefit of the doubt? Nope. That's how we got in this mess.
BreakTheMatrix 2 years ago
bearcat, what do you mean exactly?
tzankich 2 years ago
Hey tzankich, I mean that this not a question of govt vs companies. The cable companies and telcos are highly regulated and work with govt. We had effective Net Neutrality until 2005. We probably don't need it now, but if we didn't have it in 1995, the internet today might look more like interactive television .
bearcat648 2 years ago
If you want to be free market, that is awesome, but then you have to accept that you are either
a. going to have to deregulate the whole system (preferable), or
b. put regulations into place at different times to make up for dislocations caused by the current regulations, as it is no longer a free market.
Unfortunately, this is very similar to what you have to do with banks today.
Net Neutrality has to be viewed in this context.
bearcat648 2 years ago
they always gotta hid their true intentions behind protectionist bill titles. im done with politicians; they need to tarred and feathered, hung, castrated and crucified.... not necessarily in that order.
psbyowner 2 years ago 5
I agree 100% Shelly.
Oh, and I'm an IT expert, so yay for me (since you mentioned it).
eurohim 2 years ago 2
Ain't broke it, don't fix it.
picapauengracado 2 years ago
but we can make it better/improvise on it. Its not fixing it, its just maintanance. get raid of goverment spam/virus.
SteveXnycperformance 2 years ago
good one Shelly
bc5620 2 years ago 2