African Union urges UN to help Somalia - 24 Jul 08

[tatomuck18]

If Islaam made Africa fail.... then why are the most successful countries in Africa, Islamic countries? Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Sudan etc. Nigeria high Muslim population all performing better than non Muslim Africa. How do you feel now you dumb flop? Go dance with your tribal animalistic religion people in the bushes. aah woo woof woof aah meow hu hu haah boo waka taka aah and walk naked with ur ladies chasing lions and jumping up and down in ur leaf made panty

[billblass1000]

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[HabibWatt]

Ogaden's tragedies has been hidden from the eyes of the world, for nearly a 100 years long abusess against innocent Ogadeni people. It is time to make it an end.

[omali13]

Dobinhom did we ask your help? You're fucking dickhead. GET THE FUCK OUT FROM OUR COUNTRY.

[Afgooyee]

Too sad to see my country in this state. very very sad. we have been killing each other for long time now. our pple r dying nite and day for what? our country is destroyed beyond repair i hope those in the useless mission come to their senses. so far we seen nothing but suffer and death. we somalis became easy target for those who dont like us and unwanted nation coz no one like us and i dont blame them. we dont like each other so how others would like us?

[mcshotgun96]

We did try to help you in 1992-94 but were pushed out by guys like Aidid. It's hard to ask other countries to go in and help after that. Though I do wish peace for your people.

[mahdi215]

Dobinhom dumb ass dude shut the fuck up and learn a thing or two about the topic in which you are talking about. We Somali's don't need you to help us out of anything, leave our country alone and we'll be fine just like we were before your dumb ass countries came to our country. Don't force yourself on us we don't want your ass,oh we helping you yeah right get the fuck out of our land man and stay out

[eskinder3870]

At this junction, only Somalians can save Somalia. Outside government already tried to help but they were greeted with guns instead of open arms. It is up to Somalians to step-up, shed their clan mentality, spit out outside extremist groups and strife themselves to live peacefully with each other and neighboring countries. Otherwise, their county will continue to be a war ravaged country and a play ground of religious fanatic Arabs.

[Jhosephneo]

Brazil is a volunteer mission of peace in Somalia would like to join the mission if any.

[Dobinhom]

why is somalia blaming us and ethiopia for thier

fucking problem? Ethiopia or US didn't create

the problem in ur country.they are helping your ass to get out of terrorism. shut the fuck up and move your ass up out of America.

[hamada20015]

we love ethiopia

[proudnijagirl]

The UN will never come. They will never send any troops.

How many Africa War has AU asked them to help fight, did they ignore.

This is Sierra Leone over again. Pls.

And AU may be badly equipped but they are some strong men after all AU are the ones who stopped almost every single African War.

UN, pls isn't this the same thing the UN said when they asked for their help during the Sierra Leone war.

I support AU, but i don't support UN.

[Makhiirstate]

Exterminate hawiya and Somalia would be peaceful again..

[PauloGVieira]

Things would be so much better if the US and Ethiopia get the fuck out of Somalia!

[HistoryMajor7]

DeanoShooks: Take a history course and you'll think twice before calling these people "pieces of shit" I know your probably all emotional about this, but take a step back and look at the historical (and contemporary) context in which the situation was created. These are good people placed in what seems an impossible situation being driven out of control by a few powerful corrupt individuals. You would be touchy to if someone assisted in lowering the quality of your life.

[Dobinhom]

are you talking about somalian history?

i never heard of somalian history.

the only history of somalia is war and death.

[HistoryMajor7]

Not really, its colonial, economic, environmental, and warfare history among others (not one single factor can explain the whole story). And it tries to explain the reasons behind all the war and death. It is extremely complicated and I'm still trying to figure it out-right now I'm going through the economics and environmental portion of world history- another good way to find out a little about it is to take a Geography course which is a standard GE course for a lot of majors.

[HistoryMajor7]

Also there are other factors involved (too many to list), but the whole war and death part is happening right now in other parts of the world such as Chechnya, Ireland (not to long ago the IRA stopped, though), Southwest Asia i.e. Middle East, Pakistan, Mexico increasingly with the drug war, etc. too many to list. The patterns of a majority of conflict zones lie in portions of former colonies. I am not saying that that was the only reason, but it played a key role in contribuing to them.

[HistoryMajor7]

The best way I could phrase it is that the right ingredients were put in place in order to create a recipe for disaster, the hard part is that future generations (in other words, our generation and by ours I mean everyone on this planet) inherited this problem and we are trying to figure out the ingredients that created this recipe in the first place, in addition to figuring out how to develop a solution out of the minutia of complex factors.

[HistoryMajor7]

I went on a rant. To answer your question directly is that the reason you do not see any Somalian history is that many tribes transferred their histories orally through stories and when they were colonized their history was replaced with that of Western histories. If you look at former colonies they were educated on Western standards, in other words, they didn't learn their history, but the history of their colonizers and their history was lost, although not totally lost.

[mcshotgun96]

Even though there were colonial powers at work in Africa, I think it is disengenous to blame Europe or white people for Africa's problems. Somalia is clanish, and is used by Islamic extremists as a holiday of war.

[HistoryMajor7]

I disagree, over 90% of locations where there was colonial rule by Western powers have decimated economies. Race did play a large role in colonialism, to say that it didn't is obscene. They were scene as inferior and it was looked at as paternal to take power. Their resources were taken, their education was taken, and the reason was maintained was to improve the transport of resources. Yes race played a role. Yes colonialism was a key role in decimating their economies.

[HistoryMajor7]

I caught a typo where I stated "and the reason was maintained was to improve the transport of resources" I accidentally ommitted infrastructure so the sentence was "and the reason their infrastructure was maintained was to improve the transport of resources."

[HistoryMajor7]

One last thing I forgot to mention about the portion about their infrastructure, it wasn't structured or built well because the colonial powers did not work together and did not want to connect their empires.

[edavismookie25]

Yes you are right. Racism played a big part in colonialism.

"It has been our good pleasure to rate ourselves(white people) above others to reassure our superiority". Alexis De Tocqueville 1835

[HistoryMajor7]

Racism among a whole lot of factors. A lot of people do not see it that way though, unfortunate, but true. Its extremely difficult to see beyond the superficial and complementary factors. On the other hand, a lot of people are starting to piece it together so maybe the outlook might tip towards the other direction. I know I've heard of Tocqueville before. I can't quite remember where. I'll look it up in my notes or its in one of my books, I'm sure I'll find it.

[HistoryMajor7]

Yes, there is indeed internal corruption civil war and corruption in Africa (as well as aid workers and politicians trying to "help"). Yes, religion, race, and ethnicity on both sides play a key role in stirring this up. But what is key is looking back at the percentage of previous Western colononized nations you see a pattern of economic retardation. If I were a business man in charge of businesses and over 90% of those businesses collapsed what would you think about my business skills?...

[HistoryMajor7]

And to in response to "...is used by Islamic extremists as a holiday of war." (mcshotgun96). "The waves of terrorist attacks by Islamic extremists that swept across the West highlighted the fact that large parts of the Muslim world had been in social and economic decline for decades and the West could ignore this trend only at its peril." -Jeffry A. Frieden (Harvard Univ. Professor), "Global Capitalism: Its Fall and Rise in the Twentieth Century" (W.W. Norton & Company: New York, 2006 p.456)

[HistoryMajor7]

Also, you have environmental/economic factors which made it extremely difficult. For example, over 90% of the population in Africa during the post-colonial era were unskilled farmers and in order to compete with the industrialized world they had to industrialize which contributed to the decimation, but looking back at the colonial breakeup of the 1940s-1970s that gave them little time to catch up with resources that were already depleted. That's like giving a stick to a person in a gun fight.

[HistoryMajor7]

Moreover, those resources taken went to the West. On a final note, I am not talking out of spite or meer ignorance. This was years of research, reading, analyzing, and synthesizing put together by credentialed scholars and P.H.D's there is no doubt in my mind that colonization played a key role and to say that my theory is disingenuous is a bit far-fetched. I will never deny that other factors played a large role in this, but do not just look at the "what" but also the "how" and "why"

[HistoryMajor7]

Also, their history was either destroyed, as many conquerors do, or they were taken when millions were taken through the trans-Atlantic and trans-Indian slave trade and lost their history that way. And the reason you only see war and death in Somalia's history is because that is all the media is interested in showing, and in their eyes, death gets ratings. Think about it, if I kept showing you war in Russia, that would be all you would think is there since that is all you have to go on.

[Clichyabarbes22]

Then this is the most important job of the AU.

They must ask the US to butt out & let them know clearly that they don't want anymore meddling & they must get the support of the UN in this regard. If this is in fact the case & not more scapegoating then its the logical action.

[jerkinp]

Somalia was being stabilized by the Islamic Courts Union and law and order was being spread. The United States accused this faction of having links to Al-Qaeda or more specifically its religious leaders. The United States rather than backing the weak government sent funds and weapons to Warlords. The Warlords used that to fight against the ICU but also to attack the civilian population. Women were raped, men and children were murdered. All thanks to the wonderful and democratic United States.

[jerkinp]

The United States excuse was the standard "it was within our interest" and "it was a necessary evil".

This is all the United States fault. It should have supported the central government rather sending arsenals to warlords who would mess up Somalia worse then before. Islamic Courts Union may be conservative Islamist but it was not worth it. This is why African nation don't like foreign intervention. If you want to help do it properly.

[pandixon]

Actually, there really isn't aid. America contributes to the conflict by backing Ethiopia because they percieve the Union of Islamic Courts to be radical. And Africa's countries are part of the UN, and deserves to benefit from that. The AU even provides some peacekeeping troops (albeit with somewhat limited results) for UN operations. But you are right in one thing: international aid is not a solution to africa's problems.

[Clichyabarbes22]

This is an African problem. They have caused the problem & therefore they shud solve the problem. Same same old scenario, the west sends aid, they confiscate the aid, they carry on fighting & the people who need help are still starving. The sooner Africa is left to solve thr own probs the sooner they will come up with African solutions. In any case aid of any kind is often not appreciated. Africans see aid as as nonexistant, postcolonial, imperialistic, paternalistic, whatever.

[HistoryMajor7]

Catholicism, Christianity, Islam and other religions, have all led people towards genocide, mass murder and wars. On the other hand, it has led towards philanthropy. Right now it is Islam that is the hot button issue and by pointing out Islam it creates a social amnesia about the extinguishment of human life that other religions have caused so before you point the finger on Islam I hope you look at the history of other religions.

[mekos]

Very, very well said!

[ibieinnit]

@HistoryMajor7

If Islaam made Africa fail.... then why are the most successful countries in Africa, Islamic countries? Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Sudan etc. Nigeria high Muslim population all performing better than non Muslim Africa. How do you feel now you dumb flop? Go dance with your tribal animalistic religion people in the bushes. aah woo woof woof aah meow hu hu haah boo waka taka aah and walk naked with ur ladies chasing lions and jumping up and down in ur leaf made panty

[HistoryMajor7]

Africa needs a powerhouse nation in order to stabalize the continent. Easier said than done though :/

[HistoryMajor7]

And by powerhouse nation, I mean a powerhouse nation within Africa. I think Nigeria and South Africa are being looked at towards that end. We will see though until then we have to sit here and watch this continent keep tearing itself apart, unfortunately it's nothing new. It happened in Europe, North & South America, Asia. It is not some new phenomenon, it is just happening withing a different time constraint so it is not mutually exclusive to Africans. Sucks watching it happen, though

[HistoryMajor7]

It disgusts me how mainstream news puts celebrity news above issues such as these.

[BinyaminBenMeir]

If Obama gets elected REMEMBER what I say here - There WILL BE an African Currency

[kijijikubwa]

wishful thinking...dream on

[testing88534]

The U.S payed warlords to fight and kill each other.

[TECHKLEC]

Oh, really. now. And exactly who payed how much to who? Do you think we should not have paid out as much as we did in ships and human life to save your country during WW2???

[AirelonTrading]

At 0:20 seconds - anyone else notice the children fighting there?

[Daritto7117]

At 0:13 notice how the man screams Allahu Akbar before he kills people!!!

Stupid fucking Islam, you have too many extreamists and terrorists compared to other religions!!! Yet muslims say, this is not Islam!??! THEN WHAT THE FUCK IS IT - STOP PUTTING THE BLAME ON OTHERS AND FACE THE FACTS!!

[ChannelAqdemx]

whats going on? I didnt get it

[HistoryMajor7]

In Somalia you have 3 sections, there is no government and you have warlords trying to take over the country throwing it into further instability. The African union is trying to convince the U.N. to come in and help stabalize it with the African Union because they lack the man power and funds so if the U.N. comes in it would aid them a great deal both practically and financially.

[aquamammal]

Fucking religion。 Ignorance kills。

XVX for life, R.A.S.H. 'til Death.

[dragun39]

Ignorance is thinking that religion is the problem

[HighwayToHell7]

Religion isn't the only problem by any means, but it is one of them.

[prepschoolkid]

man twisting religion to manipulate ppl is the problem.

[aquamammal]

The very way religion operates is the manipulation of the masses. For instance, sexism. Our very language is sexist. "'Man' twisting religion," we are humans, not just men. Yet, most religions want us to believe that in the beginning, "god made man". Fuck that.

Teach all religions in schools. So children will be able to see clearly that they are all the same bullshitte.

XVX for life, R.A.S.H. 'til death.

[shaybshay]

so who's doing all the killing?