Havent you taken in notice that you contradict your theory by stating that the God of this universe is all knowing and all mighty and still doesn't know that there are other "gods above him? Therefore, would any god let his creation praise and give glory to another "god" instead of Him? Read the commandments and you will see how even the very begining of your theory is WRONG. Thou shall not have other gods beside me. (Esodus 20:3). That contradicts even the last comma of your theory.
quantic flutuation , whatever. But I can tell you that sometimes is hard to believe just in one such powerful and gracious creature like God even more a lot of them !! One for each super-universe ? You really can believe in such power in the universe ? Infinites creatures with all power ? Wow Im dizzy. Im telling you man, if you surrender youll feel God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The temporal will not fathom the untemporal.
The only thing that you have to do is follow jesus's word, read the bible, and beleive. Theirs 19 inches between your head and your heart. So don't be constantly questioning.
I've actually thought about this before. but once again, if our God is "all-knowing" then He would know if He was created by another Supergod. SO this theory goes to trash just by that simple fact.
How does god know his infinite knowledge is correct besides from his infinite knowledge telling him it is correct. Surely super-god would be smart enough not to leave such a big loose end, and would have planted the false knowledge inside god's head.
And another thing. This is nothing more than the old "who created the creator" canard within a new package. The infinite regression argument is a presupposition that God is not completely self-supporting and self-existent. You're baiting and switching the attributes of God, first offering them to the audience and then subtly removing them as you yak-along with your spooky music.
"Something outside of the super-universe" is stepping out of bounds and contradicting an omnipresent God to begin with. Sorry, you were moving along Descartes as if you were following his methodology, then you jumped the tracks and went off on your own; completely violating all your own presuppositions about God. If you can't play the game by your own rules, you're simply being dishonest with yourself. Try again and stop failing this time.
Haven't you taken notice of how you contradict your theory by assuming that the "god" of this universe is all knowing and all mighty and still doesn't know that there are other "gods" above him? Furthermore: Would any god let his creation praise and give glory to any other "god" instead of Him. Read the first Commandment and you will see how even the very beggining of your theory is WRONG. Thou shall not have other gods beside me. Exodus 20:3. That contradicts even the last comma of your theory.
Okay, so the existence of God cannot be proven because such an attempt at proof would be hopelessly recursive. Who created God? And who created the god who created God? And so forth, ad infinitum.
Thus God is not omniscient, so theodicy falls apart, right? God does not exist (outside our socially constructed notions of Him).
The one and ONLY GOD did not create other gods, for he is a VERY JEALOUS GOD. The devil (known as Lucifer now as Satan) has inventented all these idols (statues). You shall never ask GOD how he existed in the first place, because He is the ONLY GOD. OUR HOLY FATHER WHO LIVES IN HEAVEN. He IS eternal.You may not know what reason GOD put us in this world for but there is a reason. The question is not " What is a god to do" for it is "What is God to do" cuz he is ONE AND ONLY LORD
How would this god know "He" was the only god? He might think it, but how would he know? Would he not need faith? Then would he be in any more secure a position then you?
you should stop your argument.... I'm warning you now that sooner or later you will see God face to face and he will demand answers from you for saying all these blasfemies.... And is NOT a theory.
Seriously, you think God would be angry that people question his existance? I'd have questions of my own, such as:
"Why did you create the universe in such a way so as to make it appear as if you do not exist, hide all evidence of your existance, attempt to spread word of your existance using the exact same methods that the thousands of false religions do, and are now angry at me for using the logical brain which you designed to conclude that you don't exist?"
Ok Borg. I understand exactly what you mean. I had similar questions myself. 1. God does not abide or dwel in sin. The earth was filled with sin and therefore He is now in his Sanctuary *Heaven*. However he left us the counselor *Holy Spirit* to gide us in our path. He doues not find it annoying that we ask if he exist. He finds it foolish to demand proof of it. God gave you a brain to control your body. but he also gave you a heart to believe in Him. GLU..
"He doues not find it annoying that we ask if he exist. He finds it foolish to demand proof of it."
You seem to know quite a lot of specifics about the desires and mind of this invisible, undetectable, and by definition unknowable entity.
And why would it be foolish to require evidence before believing in the existance of something? My heart is an organ - if you mean my emotions, I've found that they're very, very bad at distinguishing the difference between what is real and what is not.
There is a god and he is " THE GOD" The maker of Heaven and Earth. He knew us before we even existed. We will not always live in this Universe forever, for He will come one day to take the people who love Him, obey His commandments, and so.
But statues such as the Budah or the virgin of Guadalupe are NOT true gods. Like it says in The Holy Bible :
This video doesn't explain, or even acknowledge the form of god or even a supergod. This pre-supposition of a god(or super-god for that matter) is an outrageous claim that isn't any different than the christian belief. So you reducing the idea of a god into anything is flawed. Nietzche would be disappointed in your "intelligence" and would ultimately reduce you to absurdity.
You do realise that this video is indeed an attempt to reduce the notion of god into aburdity and that the pre-supposition of a god is merely the first step of the argument? I would hope that Nietzsche would be reasonably happy with that part though of course to him I would still be a european draught animal ;)
Havent you taken in notice of how you contradict your theory by stating that the God of this universe is all knowing and all mighty and still doesn't know that there are other "gods above him? Furthermore, would any god let his creation praise and give glory to another "god" instead of Him? Read the commandments and you will see how even the very begining of your theory is WRONG. Thou shall not have other gods beside me. (Esodus 20:3). That contradicts even the last comma of your theory.
Explain HOLES.... Explain how somenone that accepts the truth is ignorant.... and if you still have any brains left; Think if it's wise to contend with someone that has all the power he needs to just crush you if he wanted to. You're lucky that God has more love than he has justice. but beware.... the day of his wrath is nearer than you think. I sincerely hope that you guys would mend your ways.
I think I have stated this in previous comments; But anyways; in reply: lets say god is all-knowing in our universe. I am merely trying to get people to think big, think bigger then you have ever done before; how could god know that they were all knowing? A bigger god could trick little god into believing that this universe is all that there was. Basically, my video is not strictly a valid argument under sentential logic; the aim is more to push towards a rethink on a god's possible limitaions.
There are no limitations to God. And if you accep the fact that your video is only an idea, haven't you thought of the possibility that you are wrong? And one last thing. Like the Bible says.... We do not wonder beyond God, for there is nothing else to wonder...
Philosopher Claude... to help out your misconceptions, you should read up on the string theory and how there are different dimensions with different scenarios that are too difficult for man to understand. God probably has created scenarios in different dimensions where there is no presence of him. (e.g Hell) I gotta agree with KidSmash on this one. We're not to wonder beyond God especially if we can't even begin to grasp understanding of our own world and heavens much less the universe.
You miss the point, I presented what we call in the philosophy biz a "logical contradiction." Even if God created a place in which he never "set foot" (hell), he still exists as creator in that example-he could not make it the case that he never existed at all, period, as in no God anywhere-example from David Lewis (lame)-I could not go back in time and shoot my grandfather-I would therefore have never been born to go back and shoot him-God therefore is at least limited by logic in the same way.
How could you even relate a theory about someone you don't even know? Don't you know that Jesus is God? And aren't you awaer that Jesus went to hell itself to fight Satan, and took the keys of death from the devil himself? So God did set foot on hell. And another thing. Haven't you been informed that one of God's atributes is that He never changes? God said that He gave us free will. If we are born in free will he will keep his word and ...
there fore he will let the present as it is... However, that does not mean that he couldn't just go back in time and vanish us (humanity) just to prove that He is God and that we are *nothing*. But who are we to even deserve his attention? We are merely a simple thought of his, and we will never deserve to even hear his voice or the sound of his footseps when he walks. However, He loves us. Hasn't he showed that 1000 times?? What are you doing Claude??? Mend your ways...
In response to the string theory comment, I have read about it and am withholding judgment-as far as I'm updated (four years ago) it fits mathematically but they've yet to test it empirically-if you want to get anal retentive God could not exist in one dimension and then bring about the case that he had never existed IN THAT DIMENSION.
Do you not defeat your own argument by saying the "God" is all Knowing and all Powerful? A "God" that does not realise "He" is being decieved is not all knowing or all powerful, and thus is imperfect. And so on and so on.
Can a God that is unaware of what is outside his own universe really be called all knowing and all powerfull? How can it be true when limited within the confines of his universe? The same applies to your supergod, and the supergod after that one... and so on and so on.
That is exactly the point I am making. The position I take presumes that there is such a thing as an all powerful god then reduces this idea to absurdity. It is similar in that respect to the old argument for incompatibility- i.e. omniscience and omnipotence are mutually exclusive. Sorry if this was not clear!
Excellent work. I've found it's usually the agnostics who use these godam existentialist arguments to self destruct a debate when they know they're going to lose. Nice to see one of the good guys turning it around.
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tinhoimw 10 months ago
hahah, idiot
browno26 1 year ago
Havent you taken in notice that you contradict your theory by stating that the God of this universe is all knowing and all mighty and still doesn't know that there are other "gods above him? Therefore, would any god let his creation praise and give glory to another "god" instead of Him? Read the commandments and you will see how even the very begining of your theory is WRONG. Thou shall not have other gods beside me. (Esodus 20:3). That contradicts even the last comma of your theory.
uzielgarcia777 1 year ago
quantic flutuation , whatever. But I can tell you that sometimes is hard to believe just in one such powerful and gracious creature like God even more a lot of them !! One for each super-universe ? You really can believe in such power in the universe ? Infinites creatures with all power ? Wow Im dizzy. Im telling you man, if you surrender youll feel God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The temporal will not fathom the untemporal.
Sk8orNoJESUSorDie 1 year ago
The only thing that you have to do is follow jesus's word, read the bible, and beleive. Theirs 19 inches between your head and your heart. So don't be constantly questioning.
Gguitar99 2 years ago
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juansalinas007 2 years ago
I've actually thought about this before. but once again, if our God is "all-knowing" then He would know if He was created by another Supergod. SO this theory goes to trash just by that simple fact.
sore4JC 2 years ago
How does god know his infinite knowledge is correct besides from his infinite knowledge telling him it is correct. Surely super-god would be smart enough not to leave such a big loose end, and would have planted the false knowledge inside god's head.
Olucatei 2 years ago
interesting yes, but there is only one god.
And thats well it. lol
he loves u he loves me the end :)
Smil3yY08 2 years ago
very interesting.
Nebelung13 2 years ago
only ONE GOD!!!!!!! retards. read the bible more often
edken45 2 years ago
@edken45 do not say r****** so u better watch tat mouth
yvonne2121lovesgod 1 year ago
dude i dont get this its really confusing
jazzallstars777 3 years ago
I wouldn't recomend you to investigate this blasphemy... Just read the Bible and you'll find your way to heaven...GLU
XXNOFIGHTINGXX 2 years ago
I love Jesus!
proviolist 3 years ago
sorry kid smash i didnt read down further before posting that.. I love God too.. sowi..
Takencxp 3 years ago 2
Hey... That Kid Smash Really has some arguments that make sense.... I wonder who he is....
BlindShadowalk 3 years ago
And another thing. This is nothing more than the old "who created the creator" canard within a new package. The infinite regression argument is a presupposition that God is not completely self-supporting and self-existent. You're baiting and switching the attributes of God, first offering them to the audience and then subtly removing them as you yak-along with your spooky music.
Oophorectomy 3 years ago
"Something outside of the super-universe" is stepping out of bounds and contradicting an omnipresent God to begin with. Sorry, you were moving along Descartes as if you were following his methodology, then you jumped the tracks and went off on your own; completely violating all your own presuppositions about God. If you can't play the game by your own rules, you're simply being dishonest with yourself. Try again and stop failing this time.
Oophorectomy 3 years ago
Haven't you taken notice of how you contradict your theory by assuming that the "god" of this universe is all knowing and all mighty and still doesn't know that there are other "gods" above him? Furthermore: Would any god let his creation praise and give glory to any other "god" instead of Him. Read the first Commandment and you will see how even the very beggining of your theory is WRONG. Thou shall not have other gods beside me. Exodus 20:3. That contradicts even the last comma of your theory.
carlos8a44 3 years ago
Hey those are my words you've taken.... lol
how've you been hey.... you haven't commented my page.
KidSmash11 3 years ago
I can't imagine, that there is a god, who really THINKS. But that was the first time i saw your vid. I'm gonna think about it ...
Gonga87 3 years ago
Okay, so the existence of God cannot be proven because such an attempt at proof would be hopelessly recursive. Who created God? And who created the god who created God? And so forth, ad infinitum.
Thus God is not omniscient, so theodicy falls apart, right? God does not exist (outside our socially constructed notions of Him).
supersporkspank 3 years ago
God, of course, isn't omniscient because He doesn't know that He was created by Supergod. I left that little detail out.
supersporkspank 3 years ago
The one and ONLY GOD did not create other gods, for he is a VERY JEALOUS GOD. The devil (known as Lucifer now as Satan) has inventented all these idols (statues). You shall never ask GOD how he existed in the first place, because He is the ONLY GOD. OUR HOLY FATHER WHO LIVES IN HEAVEN. He IS eternal.You may not know what reason GOD put us in this world for but there is a reason. The question is not " What is a god to do" for it is "What is God to do" cuz he is ONE AND ONLY LORD
eongirl409 3 years ago
How would this god know "He" was the only god? He might think it, but how would he know? Would he not need faith? Then would he be in any more secure a position then you?
iwentdowntotheriver 3 years ago
you should stop your argument.... I'm warning you now that sooner or later you will see God face to face and he will demand answers from you for saying all these blasfemies.... And is NOT a theory.
KidSmash11 3 years ago
I think I'll risk it...
iwentdowntotheriver 3 years ago
you sure have a big pair on you pal.... they won't do you any good with Him though....
KidSmash11 3 years ago
Seriously, you think God would be angry that people question his existance? I'd have questions of my own, such as:
"Why did you create the universe in such a way so as to make it appear as if you do not exist, hide all evidence of your existance, attempt to spread word of your existance using the exact same methods that the thousands of false religions do, and are now angry at me for using the logical brain which you designed to conclude that you don't exist?"
Flyborg 3 years ago
Hey KidSmash here(I lost my password)
Ok Borg. I understand exactly what you mean. I had similar questions myself. 1. God does not abide or dwel in sin. The earth was filled with sin and therefore He is now in his Sanctuary *Heaven*. However he left us the counselor *Holy Spirit* to gide us in our path. He doues not find it annoying that we ask if he exist. He finds it foolish to demand proof of it. God gave you a brain to control your body. but he also gave you a heart to believe in Him. GLU..
XXNOFIGHTINGXX 2 years ago
"He doues not find it annoying that we ask if he exist. He finds it foolish to demand proof of it."
You seem to know quite a lot of specifics about the desires and mind of this invisible, undetectable, and by definition unknowable entity.
And why would it be foolish to require evidence before believing in the existance of something? My heart is an organ - if you mean my emotions, I've found that they're very, very bad at distinguishing the difference between what is real and what is not.
Flyborg 2 years ago
There is a god and he is " THE GOD" The maker of Heaven and Earth. He knew us before we even existed. We will not always live in this Universe forever, for He will come one day to take the people who love Him, obey His commandments, and so.
But statues such as the Budah or the virgin of Guadalupe are NOT true gods. Like it says in The Holy Bible :
Statues have ears but do they listen ( no)
They have mouths but do they speak ( no)
they have noses but do they breathe (no)
eongirl409 3 years ago 2
This video doesn't explain, or even acknowledge the form of god or even a supergod. This pre-supposition of a god(or super-god for that matter) is an outrageous claim that isn't any different than the christian belief. So you reducing the idea of a god into anything is flawed. Nietzche would be disappointed in your "intelligence" and would ultimately reduce you to absurdity.
fukcthisname 4 years ago
You do realise that this video is indeed an attempt to reduce the notion of god into aburdity and that the pre-supposition of a god is merely the first step of the argument? I would hope that Nietzsche would be reasonably happy with that part though of course to him I would still be a european draught animal ;)
iwentdowntotheriver 3 years ago
Havent you taken in notice of how you contradict your theory by stating that the God of this universe is all knowing and all mighty and still doesn't know that there are other "gods above him? Furthermore, would any god let his creation praise and give glory to another "god" instead of Him? Read the commandments and you will see how even the very begining of your theory is WRONG. Thou shall not have other gods beside me. (Esodus 20:3). That contradicts even the last comma of your theory.
KidSmash11 3 years ago 3
your ignorant ..theres holes in everything you say...
Takencxp 3 years ago
Explain HOLES.... Explain how somenone that accepts the truth is ignorant.... and if you still have any brains left; Think if it's wise to contend with someone that has all the power he needs to just crush you if he wanted to. You're lucky that God has more love than he has justice. but beware.... the day of his wrath is nearer than you think. I sincerely hope that you guys would mend your ways.
KidSmash11 3 years ago
I think I have stated this in previous comments; But anyways; in reply: lets say god is all-knowing in our universe. I am merely trying to get people to think big, think bigger then you have ever done before; how could god know that they were all knowing? A bigger god could trick little god into believing that this universe is all that there was. Basically, my video is not strictly a valid argument under sentential logic; the aim is more to push towards a rethink on a god's possible limitaions.
iwentdowntotheriver 3 years ago
There are no limitations to God. And if you accep the fact that your video is only an idea, haven't you thought of the possibility that you are wrong? And one last thing. Like the Bible says.... We do not wonder beyond God, for there is nothing else to wonder...
KidSmash11 3 years ago
There are obviously limitations to God. For example, He could not have brought about the case that He never existed.
PhilosopherClaude 3 years ago
Philosopher Claude... to help out your misconceptions, you should read up on the string theory and how there are different dimensions with different scenarios that are too difficult for man to understand. God probably has created scenarios in different dimensions where there is no presence of him. (e.g Hell) I gotta agree with KidSmash on this one. We're not to wonder beyond God especially if we can't even begin to grasp understanding of our own world and heavens much less the universe.
megadud20 3 years ago
You miss the point, I presented what we call in the philosophy biz a "logical contradiction." Even if God created a place in which he never "set foot" (hell), he still exists as creator in that example-he could not make it the case that he never existed at all, period, as in no God anywhere-example from David Lewis (lame)-I could not go back in time and shoot my grandfather-I would therefore have never been born to go back and shoot him-God therefore is at least limited by logic in the same way.
PhilosopherClaude 3 years ago
Hey this is KidSmash11(I lost my password lol)
How could you even relate a theory about someone you don't even know? Don't you know that Jesus is God? And aren't you awaer that Jesus went to hell itself to fight Satan, and took the keys of death from the devil himself? So God did set foot on hell. And another thing. Haven't you been informed that one of God's atributes is that He never changes? God said that He gave us free will. If we are born in free will he will keep his word and ...
XXNOFIGHTINGXX 2 years ago
there fore he will let the present as it is... However, that does not mean that he couldn't just go back in time and vanish us (humanity) just to prove that He is God and that we are *nothing*. But who are we to even deserve his attention? We are merely a simple thought of his, and we will never deserve to even hear his voice or the sound of his footseps when he walks. However, He loves us. Hasn't he showed that 1000 times?? What are you doing Claude??? Mend your ways...
XXNOFIGHTINGXX 2 years ago
In response to the string theory comment, I have read about it and am withholding judgment-as far as I'm updated (four years ago) it fits mathematically but they've yet to test it empirically-if you want to get anal retentive God could not exist in one dimension and then bring about the case that he had never existed IN THAT DIMENSION.
PhilosopherClaude 3 years ago
Do you not defeat your own argument by saying the "God" is all Knowing and all Powerful? A "God" that does not realise "He" is being decieved is not all knowing or all powerful, and thus is imperfect. And so on and so on.
Jagasaurus 4 years ago
Can a God that is unaware of what is outside his own universe really be called all knowing and all powerfull? How can it be true when limited within the confines of his universe? The same applies to your supergod, and the supergod after that one... and so on and so on.
Jagasaurus 4 years ago
That is exactly the point I am making. The position I take presumes that there is such a thing as an all powerful god then reduces this idea to absurdity. It is similar in that respect to the old argument for incompatibility- i.e. omniscience and omnipotence are mutually exclusive. Sorry if this was not clear!
iwentdowntotheriver 4 years ago
I understood your position relatively quickly. Great video. I'm going to bring the subject up with my Theories of Knowledge prof.
JSResponds 4 years ago
Excellent work. I've found it's usually the agnostics who use these godam existentialist arguments to self destruct a debate when they know they're going to lose. Nice to see one of the good guys turning it around.
AggressiveSecularist 4 years ago
Excellent! And very fiting music to go with it.
tdrc66 4 years ago
brilliant. 5/5 and faved. I will use this.
socratesone 4 years ago