just from her biography those are clear signs of a trauma child. anyone who's been neglected and gone through such a life, would react that way. just from the psychological aspect... of course her actions are unforgivable, but your child is the result of your raising abilities. She was actually a very beautiful and lonely child who could not express her pain in any way.
Empathy comes from an emotion functionality, and without this normal regulation of emotions, a child does not acknowledge his or her behavioural patterns. Adults should have definitely done something to challenge her parents about Mary's behaviour, yet nothing was, so how can we say that she had choice to be empathetic? - Choice comes from an informed society, a knowing of right and wrong boundaries which did not exist in this girl's young life.
No child is born evil nor do they look evil unless you 'project' your own fearful mentality onto them. children were subjected to abuse just as they are now and I certainly believe that Mary Bell was a victim of this. This little girl was emotionally/mentally tormented by her parents via their absence, drinking and so forth. She was hurting and hurt others to express this hurt - simple and plain no matter how she is portrayed.
Um , people who are blaming the adults in this video for not helping Mary back then, do you realise that even though they're adults now, they were only 10 years old when Mary committed those murders? They're her classmates and the people you should blame are either really old, dead and not in this video...
With extreme neglect in infancy,the child's brain literally does not develop empathy skills and the child is almost guaranteed to grow up a psychopath - not being able to care for anyone but oneself. They can kill without feeling a thing.
@VioletS2Dream This is not true, most children born with Autism don't have empathy skills and very few grow up to be "psychopaths" people can still function in society without understanding empathy doesnt make them evil or killers.
@xxLyriqsxxx Well I'm just saying what I have studied. Guess it would be more complications in reality. Psychopaths are quite different from Autistic too. It's not just about empathy.
These stories always horrify me. knowing tht such and innocent child, can brutaly murder some one. But for their reasons behind what they have done we will never know.
@VanillaDollx27 If we had a perfect society where people didn't have bad influences coming from their parents, neighbors ,other children ,and teachers then over all crime would drop by so much.There is other factors like income but lets say everything in society is perfect. A lot of people think over all crime would drop to 5% if we lived in that perfect world.You are right some people are just born evil but the majority are made not born crazy.Nurture is stronger then nature.
@ConverseLover021 She killed 2. Also we ALL deserve a second chance. She has taken it and she is living a normal life. She obviously needed help and she was living a shit now. Just imagine she has to live with that she has killed 2 little boys.
@FireStar32005 I saw that also. I first noticed this trait in doing a paper on serial/mass murders. The majority of the ones I've seen lack this same light. Now I'm curious if it was always that way (hard to get pictures with a good look at the eyes at an early age of those same set of people) or if it occurred later and when and how. What is the trigger. NOT all murder's come from a dysfunctional/abusive home.
@blackhorse099 I know hey!! Those eyes REALLY do look deep into you! Have u ever had,like a sheer fright and u get that ' heart drop' feeling?? That's what I got when that pic popped up!
Spoooky. Oh my god that's spooky. I think she was a psychopath (Yes, I am using the term correctly, I've done my research, please don't yell at me. If you think I'm incorrect then calmly tell me and we can talk about it like civilized human beings ._.
Her childhood abuse is irrelevant. She's a murderer. Plain and simple. Worse, she killed two completey innocent toddlers who trusted her, and then taunted their families. Lots of people are abused and they don't do such monstrous things. Mary Flora Bell is evil. Feeling sympathy for her is as unforgiveable as her deeds.
@TheNerdyCanuck Yes. If she hadn't been abused as a child, she wouldn't have ever murdered the other children. It's not that hard to understand. Some children are abused to the point where they just become detached from emotion. They protect themselves by becoming empty of emotions, aside from rage. Have you ever watched Child of Rage? They cover up anything else with anger. They hurt other things and other people because they feel unsafe and angry. It's not their fault.
@TheNerdyCanuck Different people react to things differently. Just because she was young, that doesn't mean it doesn't apply to her. Some can't stand getting shots and will pass out and throw up on themselves, and some people just close their eyes and don't give a shit. The same thing applies to any situation, for people of any age.
@frickitydickity Getting queasy around needles and commiting the 1st degree murders of two young children are hardly comparable. If she killer her abusers or killed anyone in self defense, of course I could forgive her. But she lured a toddler who trusted her into the woods and killed him. Then she lured a second toddler who trusted her and killed him. And then she taunted their families. How cold is your heart to be able to forgive that?
@TheNerdyCanuck You aren't understanding what I'm saying. Quit being stubborn for two seconds and look at it like this: the child was scarred. She lost all empathy. She didn't understand her own emotions, much less anyone else's. She was hurt, and thus, she wanted to hurt others. I am not saying I 'forgive' her, because I don't KNOW her and thus I have no reason to have an urge to. I'm trying to explain her condition and her actions to you.
@frickitydickity I am aware how badly she was abused. And I would feel bad for her if she hadn't taken her problems out on two innocent kids. Brian and Martin are the ONLY victims in this case. She is not a victim.
@TheNerdyCanuck It depends on what you mean by "in this case". If you mean in the case of the death of the two children, of course she isn't a victim. But in many cases, she is. If the stuff that happened to her when she was young hadn't happened, none of this would have happened either. I'm not excusing what she did. It's inexcusable.
@frickitydickity Now we're getting closer to understanding each other. I'm saying yes, her abuse is bad and yes, her abuse made her a sociopath, BUT none of that matters.
@TheNerdyCanuck The only reason her abuse DID matter is that she needed help. She needed help before it happened, but she needed it even more than ever after it did. None of it matters anymore because the children have been mourned and justified (though I suppose that depends on who you ask), and she's now moved on with her life, having had children and grandchildren.
@TheNerdyCanuck The reactions are different, she probably was a sociopath but all the evil made her a psycopath, it's like being closer to a point to be evil, a sociopath doesn't care but it's not evil it's cold blooded, a psycopath enjoys and feels pleasure hurting people, she probably killed because she wanted revenge on the families or just felt an instinct for revenge or killing the weak that got wake because of abuse or damage made to her physic, some people react turtling.
@VanillaDollx27 Yeah well I hope her grandchild knows what she did. Mary Bell is a sick woman as far as I am concerned. Mary Bell is selfish and just because she had a bad childhood I don't feel sorry for her. I would've felt sorry for her because of her childhood if she hadn't killed those boys. I feel for the boys and their mothers not for Mary.
@Wolfbloodvamps171 She was a murdered because nobody cared about her, some times abuse destroys or affects a person personality in a negative way that isn't muder intent but murder is an instinct and killing the weak like she did and mocking families is obviously that, she teaches abuse causes muderers, and feeling sorry for her is an start, treath her as a cold blooded muderer makes no sense
@crazy3d She is a cold blooded killer. I don't feel sorry for her. "She teaches abuse causes murders" where do you get this? Most people who are abused don't grow up to be killers. She didn't kill because of instinct and because they were weak she wanted to kill someone. She would've rotten in prison for her life. Why should she be able to live her life out in society with her family? Her victims can't get another chance at life and those mothers can't get their sons back.
@Dimrovski fuck you and your science, becoz of people like you and your fucking science half if these fucked up minds are free cos science says they are insane cant stand trails, evil is evil when you kill someone deliberately you are an evil, bohoooooo suck mind
I have always hated this girl i see her the devil him self. There so many children who grew up in the same circumstances but turned to be good citizens. People like marry bell have evil roots thats it.
@BentBond007 what a fucking stupid comment... boohooo the devil himself. Get your nose into books about neuroscience and behaviour psychology. Instead of 'demonising' children. The system is inherent corrupt.
Mary may have been imitating something she saw an adult do.I read her mother forced her to have sex at the young age of four with men (most likely clients.)
Those who speak violently should be very of their own inner livws. Children who are abused in any way. at amn early have damage to the brain does not form properly at the time of Mary bell those at the time did not know of this medicasl fact.
Oh so lovely how adults can sit and talk about her problems now, but sat on there bums back then and did nothing to help her,cheers losers, YOU all made her the way she ended up by not helping her when she obviously needed it.
@yogi1707 That's a pretty stupid comment. They went to school with her, they were ten!
99% of people who have childhoods like hers don't become murderers. She has a mental abnormality
Your accusing the people speaking in this film of making her the way she ended up because they didn't make an uninformed psychological evaluation of this girl and alert people who could help her, when they were ten years old!
You must have been the most intelligent and compassionate 10 year old in the world.
please, you guys need to chill. if i was raped like she was i'd probably do the same thing. what else would a fucked up 10 year old that's been sexually abused be thinking about? rainbows and sunshine, or death and homicide?
A documentary I've once seen said that she was neglected by her mother and was almost poisioned(? - meaning I'm not sure) twice by her. Alongside this, her mother was a prostitute and she'd have Mary serve her clients. So she was also sexually abused and likely raped by countless men.
The abuse definitely contributed to Mary's tendencies to kill those three little boys and lack of empathy for others.
'Born evil' is a label that lets us sweep the issue under the rug and pretend it's solved by throwing away the key. Society will never be completely rid of abusive homes, and not all sociopaths and psychopaths come from abusive homes. In declaring that Mary was simply born evil, we wash our hands of kids like her--no need to intervene in abuse/neglect, no need to hold social services accountable, no need to watch for signs of a severely troubled child.
Mary Bell was born as a murderer. No matter she was 11 or 111, she is a monster, if she has a chance, she will kill another child..actually she was freed years ago!!
I just read this story and it is so sad all the way around. It's sad that an 11 year old murdered a 3 and 4 year old and it's sad that Mary herself was the victim of sexual abuse by her prostotuting dominatrix mother who made her have sex with men at the age of 4 no wonder she was messed up. She also looks about 18 years old in the pic when she was supposed to be 11 how creepy is that! When will people realize that what they do will affect who their children will become one way or another.
It is very important to understand this tale of tragedy. No matter how insane a story may seem, we can learn so much from pyschopaths-serial killers etc. Looking inside their minds will make us aware of diabolical minds walking among us today.
It is very important to understand this tale of tragedy. No matter how insane a story may seem, we can learn so much from pyschopaths-serial killers etc. Looking inside their minds will make us aware of diabolical minds walking among us today.
It is very important to understand this tale of tragedy. No matter how insane a story may seem, we can learn so much from pyschopaths-serial killers etc. Looking inside their minds will make us aware of diabolical minds walking among us today.
It is very important to understand this tale of tragedy. No matter how insane a story may seem, we can learn so much from pyschopaths-serial killers etc. Looking inside their minds will make us aware of diabolical minds walking among us today.
I had a much worse childhood then her. Both my parents were mentally ill and abused and neglected me. But I have never and will never hurt anyone else.
You can choose your own path and make your own decisions you can't blame your past.
@nomesbirdy You have to consider that not everyone reacts the same to identical stimuli. There are things that happen to a person in their earliest childhood that can stick with some people for the rest of their lives, because it had affected them in their decisive phases of development. If your story is true, I congratulate you, but if it really were, why would you feel the need to boast it?
@nomesbirdy don't u never compare ur life experience to anyone elses.from ur point of view ur childhood was terrible however it isn't for u to asume whos experience was worst.
I dont believe that children that are abused are going to turn into bad people. Everybody knows right from wrong whether it be an adult or a child. We all have reasons for thinking that we've had bad lives but it doesnt mean that we all goout on a killing spree.
@lordsoftheringer i agree, many ppl who have been abused verbally or phsyically or sexually etc as a child turn out to be 'normal' individuals. many ppl, kids included, have great resilience, with the support of others or not, they grow up to be amazing ppl, not all children who have been abused will become bad. :)
I have to admit u have to feel bad for Mary Bell because she went thro alot in her childhood. Her mother never loved her, always attempting to kill her, and sold her to sex. If it wasnt for her mother not taking guud loving care of Mary Bell, she wouldnt have kill these kids and she wouldve been a nice child.
@angelicaloprado09 it is not a justification. I am considering the collective responsibility we all have within this by accepting and agreeing on a system where lack and inequality is inherent and things such as this are "natural" outflows/consequences. Investigate Equal Money System
@NiklasProcess lol Yea, and what happens when nobody is producing as much as they are using? It's been tried before & it's a very effective system to make everyone poor.
BTW, it always strikes me that when such awful matters occur. That many adults, in positions of authority seem to have an opinion. Teachers, Police and other parents.
Yet once a child murders another child, everyone has a route cause analysis of the situation. Everyone knows the awful abuse, degradation and hardship the accused child has suffered.
The question is, what did they do to help the child in her time of need.
Not every child who hails from an impoverished or abusive household, becomes a murderer. In fact, there are many people who can claim that they were neglected, impoverished and abused. Yet they have not become murders.
We must learn to judge all on an individual basis. Obviously Mary Bell was sadly a victim, who was unable to control her demons.
Mary Bell should've lost her secret identity as soon as she sold her story of being a child murderer too! And lots of families who lived in Scotchy were poor but didn't turn into child killers though, so don't why this documentary is trying to make us feel sorry for a sociopath who has never shown remorse for crimes like. Excuses excuses when some ppl don't realise that you can be born evil eh! I just feel sorry for her daughter having a child murderer as a mother too.
Mary Bell & her pal Norma Bell were sadistic bullies at school & used to strangle kids at their primary for a laugh too! However Norma Bell played dumb & blamed all of it on Mary Bell saying she was scared of her. However me auntie used to go to school when they were there & said they were both nasty kids too! Mary Bell has since sold her story & made money off being a double child murderer. Most families who lived in Scotchy were respectable regardless what this documentary says too!!!
Im sorry for the victims but also for what she had to endure while being a young child. I must reluctantly admit she was, to some extent, a victim too.
I always feel sorry for the victims and the people who carry out the acts. I feel sorry for humanity as a whole for it's many flaws. Yeah that's probably pretty detached but oh well, keeps me sane, and seems the most logical way to think.
If she had been brought up better in a better environment she would'nt have been the way she was, because she was never able to form an attachment which will give her the ability to love and to feel but she didn't that is why she was why she was.
*...we ARE our experiences. If you look at any statistic you will see an obvious link between childhood traumas and criminal/abusive behaviour later in life.
As I said, you assume with your argument that the kids decide to become "good", but without an engraving event in their life that will make them think that way, they simply won't! Actually they can't (no absolute free will). So basically you want to punish her for being unlucky, just so you can believe that YOU chose to be "good". IMO ;)
@TheBellabeth No, I didnt choose to be "good", I just never thought about killing 2 little boys... And you do have the chance to decide to be a good person or not. Mary wasnt made to kill these 2 boys, she decided she wanted to, she would have known it was wrong because were all taught at school that hurting people is wrong. Its really easy to blame a childs past for them being messed up because we dont want to believe that a child can do this, but in reality she decided to kill. End of...
@SuperMaggot250893 Sorry, but if her MNS hadn't been normally developed until she was old enough to go to school, she was already a psychopath without a conscience, after that it doesn't matter if she intellectually knows what's "right and wrong" (at least in this current society) because she doesn't experience empathy!
Of course (abused) kids do incredibly horrible things, but she could have been 'saved' through therapy like Beth Thomas.
What I wanna say is: she wasn't 'evil'. That's all.
@SuperMaggot250893 She was born a normal child and didn't choose to be born into a family where her brain couldn't fully develop due to early and extreme abuse - If she had been born into a loving family she wouldn't have turned out that way.
@TheBellabeth You dont know that... Like I said before many children who have also been abused havent grown up to kill, yet they still have feelings. And many people who have grown up into normal families have gone on to kill and not felt any guilt about their crime
@SuperMaggot250893 I'm sorry that I'm still going on with this, I don't wanna have a long public discussion, but:What do you think is "evil" ? There are 2 kinds of psychopaths: the ones who were already born with a diseased brain and the ones whose brain couldn't develop in their early childhood. (BBC article: Born evil or with a diseased brain?) I mean if you are religious I can understand that you may believe in good and evil, but when you trust in science, there is not much room for free will
@TheBellabeth No I am not religious so dont believe in good and evil. I also dont believe that having a troubled start to life can mess you up, because like iv said many times there are people who have been abused and not gone on to kill. I dont know about you, but I could understand hurting people or stealing things but actually killing somebody? I see anybody who is capable of taking another persons life doesnt deserve to have their own life......
@SuperMaggot250893 abuse=/=abuse! Nobody has the same story, so you can't compare abused children in that way. It's always important if the child get's any other (positive) input apart from the abusive environment - eg from school, media or family/friends. Then there's a chance for them to be 'saved'. As I'm not a psychopath and had good education I don't consider killing random people for my pleasure ;) ... But soldiers kill every day in war zones - do they deserve to die too?
@TheBellabeth Soldiers kill to save our country, no they do not deserve to die. Why did Mary kill? For her pleasure, so yea she deserves to die. Do you know every case of child abuse? Do you know if any child who has been abused also had good in their lives? Do you know what abuse Mary had? You dont, so you cant say Mary killed because she was...
@TheBellabeth i disagree. There are other children who are subjected to extreme abuse and don't do such things. It depends on who the child is to start with. Personality and temperament of the individual is the teller rather than the abuse itself.
@TheDharmawheel Then you suggest that everybody is already BORN with a certain personality? This is the part where free will can only be explained as supernatural, because it wouldn't follow the laws of causality -but this wouldn't be desirable either! Your character gets shaped through your experiences, parenting and genes!
Do you think all the "evil souls/people" were born in Nazi Germany??
No, most were normal (and hungry) people who believed a lot in authority and got manipulated!
@TheBellabeth you are born with a certain temperament and a certain "base" for a personality. Scientific evidence supports this.
"Do you think all the "evil souls/people" were born in Nazi Germany??"
What an emotive and irrelevant thing in this instance. The things done by people during war and under an extreme regime of immediate threats is different from a child who grows up in an abusive situation.
@TheDharmawheel sure, that's what I said too - but it's in your genes, there's no free will involved, that's what I mean!
no it's no 'emotive and irrelevant thing' to say if you are willing to understand how I mean it. WW2 showed the malleability of the human mind - I could also take the Phelps family as an example - from the outside people think even their children are extraordinarily evil - only did they become this through their parenting not because they decide to act in an 'evil' manner.
@TheBellabeth Your pop psychology is a popular train of thought but its off track as anyone who is aware of human development on a deeper level than the lay person would know.
@TheDharmawheel It's certainly not pop psychology and I cant take you seriously anymore after that remark, also because you suggest that you actually solved the free will debate - nobody did, because there's simply no method to find out, because some variables are unobservable.
I did a lot of research for my Psychology/Philosophy dissertation - I wish I didn't know so much about this-it takes away the illusion of freedom.
@TheBellabeth the theorist who originally stated what you are essentially saying was around a long time ago and so much has been learnt and studied in depth since then. Its all fairly easy to access if you are interested.
@TheDharmawheel ...even quantum mechanics with Heisenberg's uncertainty principle won't help cause it's only relevant in dimensions of single electrons. But I sincerely HOPE that it may leave a little bit of freedom for us, even if it's extremely small.
However, to say that Mary Bell or Beth Thomas were 'evil' is naive. Technically a psychopath is ill - it's just a disease that is not easy to tolerate because most people are too emotional to be objective about it.
@TheBellabeth i think you have missed much of what i've said as you are focused on the concept of 'evil' which i certainly don't believe in and haven't even used the word.
but that was MY point all along if you look at my older posts - I just wanted to make clear that she is neither 'evil' how they call her nor does she deserve eternal torture or a painful death!
I assumed you would refer to what I was writing earlier ;)
We can agree to disagree, a discussion like this would never find an ending ;)
some of the naive people on here should watch 'Child of Rage' the story of Beth Thomas on here. Disturbed but innocent children, both with murderous tendencies both innocent
@AliceD18 exactly. people are so easy to manipulate - the film started out with showing the effects of the abuse she had to endure in her early years.
If it started by explaining her own abuse nightmare, people would realise that it isn't all black and white and that indeed she IS the VICTIM. There's no such thing as an "evil child". It all came from somewhere and it's not her fault that she was the daughter of her abusive mother.
"Child of Rage" had a better structure regarding this.
There was obviously something wrong with how she got brought up. Her mother was a prostitute and often made Mary engage in sexual activities with her clients. Anyway...Mary Bell is a very creepy name. The type of name they have in those horror movies
there are a lot of kids that were abused in some form of another...and have never killed nor harmed anyone!! im sorry she had a horrible childhood.. but mary was old enough to know right from wrong! she should be punished!! to let her ass know, this type of shit is unacceptable!!
COME BACK TO THE CHILD TELL THEM WHY THEY GOT THERE BUT BUSTED LET THEM KNOW THAT IT WAS WRONG AND THEN HUG THEM THAT LETS THEM KNOW THAT U STILL LOVE THEM. PARENTS OPEN YOUR EYES.
OK FIRST OFF NOBODY ON HERE CAN JUDGE THE KILLERS BUT GOD HIS SELF. WHEN U DO BAD THINGS YES YOU NEED PUNISHED, I BELEIVE THAT BUT GOD SAID NOT TO JUDGE AND TO FORGIVE AND FORGET. THESE WHERE KIDS THAT KILLED NOT GROWN ADULTS IF THE PARENTS WOULD OF PAYED ATTENTION TO THE BIBLE AND LOVE AND SPEAR THE ROD POIL THE CHILD. ITS A WAY THAT YOU DO THAT THOUGH DONT BEAT YOUR CHILD. JUST MAKE SURE THEY KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG YOU DONT SCARE YOUR CHILD IN THE BEATINGS, YOU WHIP THERE BUTTS .
@69MissMarissa Its easy enough to say we must all forgive a murderer, but do they really deserve to be forgiven after they have taken away another persons life? Maybe this girl didnt have a good start to life, but not every child who suffers from abuse takes other people lives. For example, a man called David Pelzer was abused by his mum, he was finally saved then went through a lot of other struggles throughout life. Did he kill somebody? No, he wrote a book so he could help other people!
@SuperMaggot250893 did you watch "Child of rage"? good documentary for that...
Most people think naturally, it's right to condemn a murderer. But if you do only a little bit of research regarding the free will debate, you will see that we ARE our experiences and genes. If you had been born in her skin having EXACTLY the same experiences (horrific abuse) then there is only an incredibly small chance you wouldn't have turned out the same. Black/white thinking is easy but not even close to reality!
@TheBellabeth Im not saying the things we do are not caused by our experiences as a child... Im just saying that its easy enough to blame abuse for Mary's crime, but there are many children who have been abused but have not gone on to kill somebody. There are also many people who come from good childhoods and are loved etc etc, yet they kill...
@SuperMaggot250893 I respect your opinion, but think: is it really easier to see the reasons behind murder and realise that we generally don't really have the option to say "I will be a good person", but that it's all about our surrounding? If you REALLY study the free will discussion it may shock you to see that we have hardly any (IF any at all) control over our WILL (not to be confused with freedom of action). There are by far more people from broken homes who commit crimes -logical, because*
@TheBellabeth ...abused+she killed because her brain didnt develope, because there would be other children who would have had it worse! I cant be bothered with this anymore, you have your opinion and I have mine
@SuperMaggot250893 actually it is well known how she was abused and how her mother also tried to kill her several times and that she had the typical signs of a psychopath (and that she recovered).
And I knew you didn't think it through when you said "anybody who is capable of taking another persons life doesnt deserve to have their own life", so I had to make the soldier example.
Anyways, agreed - this discussion can never find an end. Farewell
@TheBellabeth By saying "I knew you didn't think it through when you said "anybody who is capable of taking another persons life doesnt deserve to have their own life", so I had to make the soldier example" makes you sound arrogant and rude. I can see you have also been doing this to other people, and you clearly think your opinion is correct and anybody who has a different opinion is wrong, and therefore you try to force your opinion on other people.
@SuperMaggot250893 I apologise if you feel offended, but a quote of mine on this video has also been described with 'what an emotive and irrelevant thing in this instance',but well - written words don't reflect the voice of the writer -the reader gives them meaning.
In a discussion I test the points of my opposite and as you didn't say anything I haven't heard before or which I see as truthful I obviously don't change my mind - just like you believe you are right and try to weaken my arguments.
@SuperMaggot250893 ... and as there are more people with your opinion watching this video, people are more likely to discuss with me than with you ;-)
However, you can certainly believe what you want, I don't want to change people's minds!
@TheBellabeth Lots of people have been born into similar, or even much worse circumstances than Mary Bell and they haven't went on to commit sadistic crimes.
Was Norma 'evil' too? The way the court case went, if you ACTUALLY READ ABOUT IT, shows how differently these two girls were treated from the very start. Mary didn't have a chance.
just from her biography those are clear signs of a trauma child. anyone who's been neglected and gone through such a life, would react that way. just from the psychological aspect... of course her actions are unforgivable, but your child is the result of your raising abilities. She was actually a very beautiful and lonely child who could not express her pain in any way.
kapanihan 10 hours ago
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Wow Mary was hot.
nic01944 1 day ago
her eyes scare me
Shytobe 3 days ago
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Shytobe 3 days ago
Ugly in the inside and out lol
KayleeButtyful8 5 days ago
Empathy comes from an emotion functionality, and without this normal regulation of emotions, a child does not acknowledge his or her behavioural patterns. Adults should have definitely done something to challenge her parents about Mary's behaviour, yet nothing was, so how can we say that she had choice to be empathetic? - Choice comes from an informed society, a knowing of right and wrong boundaries which did not exist in this girl's young life.
shikiraclareify 6 days ago
No child is born evil nor do they look evil unless you 'project' your own fearful mentality onto them. children were subjected to abuse just as they are now and I certainly believe that Mary Bell was a victim of this. This little girl was emotionally/mentally tormented by her parents via their absence, drinking and so forth. She was hurting and hurt others to express this hurt - simple and plain no matter how she is portrayed.
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Um , people who are blaming the adults in this video for not helping Mary back then, do you realise that even though they're adults now, they were only 10 years old when Mary committed those murders? They're her classmates and the people you should blame are either really old, dead and not in this video...
TViggy2389 1 week ago
She has a creepy look
Andersng1 1 week ago
Mary have you done this?....Oh yes....Are you sorry for what you 've done? ..Yes....lmao!
cotynita 1 week ago
With extreme neglect in infancy,the child's brain literally does not develop empathy skills and the child is almost guaranteed to grow up a psychopath - not being able to care for anyone but oneself. They can kill without feeling a thing.
VioletS2Dream 1 week ago
@VioletS2Dream This is not true, most children born with Autism don't have empathy skills and very few grow up to be "psychopaths" people can still function in society without understanding empathy doesnt make them evil or killers.
xxLyriqsxxx 1 week ago
@xxLyriqsxxx Well I'm just saying what I have studied. Guess it would be more complications in reality. Psychopaths are quite different from Autistic too. It's not just about empathy.
VioletS2Dream 1 week ago
After watching videos about Mary Bell, I had a nightmare about her. It was pretty creepy o__e
ChelseaLovesToSing12 2 weeks ago 2
These stories always horrify me. knowing tht such and innocent child, can brutaly murder some one. But for their reasons behind what they have done we will never know.
ballergirl56 2 weeks ago
One can only speculate VIDEO GAMES is behind this child's behavior!
bealtespip123 3 weeks ago
@VanillaDollx27 If we had a perfect society where people didn't have bad influences coming from their parents, neighbors ,other children ,and teachers then over all crime would drop by so much.There is other factors like income but lets say everything in society is perfect. A lot of people think over all crime would drop to 5% if we lived in that perfect world.You are right some people are just born evil but the majority are made not born crazy.Nurture is stronger then nature.
nowwithmorekick 3 weeks ago
@AdamMark317 just about 1:40
StuckInAChemRomance 3 weeks ago
dont feel sorry for mary feel sorry 4 the kids she killed
ConverseLover021 4 weeks ago
@ConverseLover021 She killed 2. Also we ALL deserve a second chance. She has taken it and she is living a normal life. She obviously needed help and she was living a shit now. Just imagine she has to live with that she has killed 2 little boys.
Yeowie69 3 weeks ago
I've seen the first picture before, but in the first one I saw her pupils were even more dilated ...maybe different photographs over all?
shawtyziz10 4 weeks ago
I would kill her mother not her because her mother used to use her as a sexual toy with her clients when she was onl five yo know
cotynita 4 weeks ago
The first picture of her, there's little to no life in them. When I look at that picture I see a girl who is lost and needs help. Not evil.
FireStar32005 4 weeks ago 6
@FireStar32005 I saw that also. I first noticed this trait in doing a paper on serial/mass murders. The majority of the ones I've seen lack this same light. Now I'm curious if it was always that way (hard to get pictures with a good look at the eyes at an early age of those same set of people) or if it occurred later and when and how. What is the trigger. NOT all murder's come from a dysfunctional/abusive home.
whynotminot1 3 weeks ago
Anyone else notice in th first pic that her pupils r uneven???
iluvdortenia 1 month ago
@blackhorse099 I know hey!! Those eyes REALLY do look deep into you! Have u ever had,like a sheer fright and u get that ' heart drop' feeling?? That's what I got when that pic popped up!
iluvdortenia 1 month ago
that very first picture of her is scary as FUCK
blackhorse099 1 month ago 2
you can always see it in the eyes..so creepy
ash3227 1 month ago
That demonic Mary Bell should be the final boss of Catechumen 2 if the game exists.
gdm413229 1 month ago
Casey Anthonys long lost aunt.
skyballerkidd 1 month ago
"Have you done this?"
"Oh yes :)"
"Are you sorry for what you've done?"
"Yes :)"
Spoooky. Oh my god that's spooky. I think she was a psychopath (Yes, I am using the term correctly, I've done my research, please don't yell at me. If you think I'm incorrect then calmly tell me and we can talk about it like civilized human beings ._.
ChibbySu 1 month ago 3
@ChibbySu where does it say this in the video?
AdamMark317 1 month ago
@ChibbySu
do you know what is a psychopath is?
Retrostar07 1 month ago
Her childhood abuse is irrelevant. She's a murderer. Plain and simple. Worse, she killed two completey innocent toddlers who trusted her, and then taunted their families. Lots of people are abused and they don't do such monstrous things. Mary Flora Bell is evil. Feeling sympathy for her is as unforgiveable as her deeds.
TheNerdyCanuck 1 month ago
@TheNerdyCanuck You're trolling. Please tell me you're trolling. Right?
frickitydickity 1 month ago
@frickitydickity .... Why would I be trolling? Is thinking someone who killed two children is a monster trolling now?
TheNerdyCanuck 1 month ago
@TheNerdyCanuck Yes. If she hadn't been abused as a child, she wouldn't have ever murdered the other children. It's not that hard to understand. Some children are abused to the point where they just become detached from emotion. They protect themselves by becoming empty of emotions, aside from rage. Have you ever watched Child of Rage? They cover up anything else with anger. They hurt other things and other people because they feel unsafe and angry. It's not their fault.
frickitydickity 1 month ago 3
@frickitydickity A lot of people are abused a whole lot worse than she was and they don't kill babies.
TheNerdyCanuck 1 month ago
@TheNerdyCanuck Different people react to things differently. Just because she was young, that doesn't mean it doesn't apply to her. Some can't stand getting shots and will pass out and throw up on themselves, and some people just close their eyes and don't give a shit. The same thing applies to any situation, for people of any age.
frickitydickity 1 month ago
@frickitydickity Getting queasy around needles and commiting the 1st degree murders of two young children are hardly comparable. If she killer her abusers or killed anyone in self defense, of course I could forgive her. But she lured a toddler who trusted her into the woods and killed him. Then she lured a second toddler who trusted her and killed him. And then she taunted their families. How cold is your heart to be able to forgive that?
TheNerdyCanuck 1 month ago
@TheNerdyCanuck You aren't understanding what I'm saying. Quit being stubborn for two seconds and look at it like this: the child was scarred. She lost all empathy. She didn't understand her own emotions, much less anyone else's. She was hurt, and thus, she wanted to hurt others. I am not saying I 'forgive' her, because I don't KNOW her and thus I have no reason to have an urge to. I'm trying to explain her condition and her actions to you.
frickitydickity 1 month ago
@frickitydickity I am aware how badly she was abused. And I would feel bad for her if she hadn't taken her problems out on two innocent kids. Brian and Martin are the ONLY victims in this case. She is not a victim.
TheNerdyCanuck 1 month ago
@TheNerdyCanuck It depends on what you mean by "in this case". If you mean in the case of the death of the two children, of course she isn't a victim. But in many cases, she is. If the stuff that happened to her when she was young hadn't happened, none of this would have happened either. I'm not excusing what she did. It's inexcusable.
frickitydickity 1 month ago
@frickitydickity Now we're getting closer to understanding each other. I'm saying yes, her abuse is bad and yes, her abuse made her a sociopath, BUT none of that matters.
TheNerdyCanuck 1 month ago
@TheNerdyCanuck The only reason her abuse DID matter is that she needed help. She needed help before it happened, but she needed it even more than ever after it did. None of it matters anymore because the children have been mourned and justified (though I suppose that depends on who you ask), and she's now moved on with her life, having had children and grandchildren.
frickitydickity 1 month ago
@TheNerdyCanuck obviously it's biological too.
mithilag 1 month ago
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frickitydickity 1 month ago
@TheNerdyCanuck The reactions are different, she probably was a sociopath but all the evil made her a psycopath, it's like being closer to a point to be evil, a sociopath doesn't care but it's not evil it's cold blooded, a psycopath enjoys and feels pleasure hurting people, she probably killed because she wanted revenge on the families or just felt an instinct for revenge or killing the weak that got wake because of abuse or damage made to her physic, some people react turtling.
crazy3d 4 weeks ago
@VanillaDollx27 Yeah well I hope her grandchild knows what she did. Mary Bell is a sick woman as far as I am concerned. Mary Bell is selfish and just because she had a bad childhood I don't feel sorry for her. I would've felt sorry for her because of her childhood if she hadn't killed those boys. I feel for the boys and their mothers not for Mary.
Wolfbloodvamps171 1 month ago
@Wolfbloodvamps171 She was a murdered because nobody cared about her, some times abuse destroys or affects a person personality in a negative way that isn't muder intent but murder is an instinct and killing the weak like she did and mocking families is obviously that, she teaches abuse causes muderers, and feeling sorry for her is an start, treath her as a cold blooded muderer makes no sense
crazy3d 4 weeks ago
@crazy3d She is a cold blooded killer. I don't feel sorry for her. "She teaches abuse causes murders" where do you get this? Most people who are abused don't grow up to be killers. She didn't kill because of instinct and because they were weak she wanted to kill someone. She would've rotten in prison for her life. Why should she be able to live her life out in society with her family? Her victims can't get another chance at life and those mothers can't get their sons back.
Wolfbloodvamps171 4 weeks ago
@Dimrovski fuck you and your science, becoz of people like you and your fucking science half if these fucked up minds are free cos science says they are insane cant stand trails, evil is evil when you kill someone deliberately you are an evil, bohoooooo suck mind
BentBond007 1 month ago
I have always hated this girl i see her the devil him self. There so many children who grew up in the same circumstances but turned to be good citizens. People like marry bell have evil roots thats it.
BentBond007 1 month ago
@BentBond007 what a fucking stupid comment... boohooo the devil himself. Get your nose into books about neuroscience and behaviour psychology. Instead of 'demonising' children. The system is inherent corrupt.
Dimrovski 1 month ago
Wow! Heres a girl crying out for boundaries! The "adults" let her down!!!!!!
squid4104 2 months ago
dumb bitch
41gagavision 2 months ago
Mary may have been imitating something she saw an adult do.I read her mother forced her to have sex at the young age of four with men (most likely clients.)
Independent488 2 months ago
THE BAD SEED.
Independent488 2 months ago
My mom was abused sexually and physically and she has been traumatized.this is real she does not abuse me in any way and sheNEVER yells or anything
TheSuperAdamsFamily 2 months ago
Those who speak violently should be very of their own inner livws. Children who are abused in any way. at amn early have damage to the brain does not form properly at the time of Mary bell those at the time did not know of this medicasl fact.
TheMorriganish 2 months ago
Oh so lovely how adults can sit and talk about her problems now, but sat on there bums back then and did nothing to help her,cheers losers, YOU all made her the way she ended up by not helping her when she obviously needed it.
yogi1707 2 months ago 31
@yogi1707 true. they never help until it s too late and then they wonder why ppl turn out like this...kinda weird, isnt it..
schnecki07 1 month ago
@yogi1707 That's a pretty stupid comment. They went to school with her, they were ten!
99% of people who have childhoods like hers don't become murderers. She has a mental abnormality
Your accusing the people speaking in this film of making her the way she ended up because they didn't make an uninformed psychological evaluation of this girl and alert people who could help her, when they were ten years old!
You must have been the most intelligent and compassionate 10 year old in the world.
zimzima888 1 month ago 4
@zimzima888 Thank you , I was.
yogi1707 4 weeks ago
@yogi1707 My parents were not very nice to me as a child, does that give me the right to kill people?
IceYourPimpHand 1 week ago
Chikatilo should of taken her for a walk in the woods in the fall.
RealLifeOmen 2 months ago
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RealLifeOmen 2 months ago
I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS LITTLE WHORE!!!!
RealLifeOmen 2 months ago
please, you guys need to chill. if i was raped like she was i'd probably do the same thing. what else would a fucked up 10 year old that's been sexually abused be thinking about? rainbows and sunshine, or death and homicide?
pinkthunderwonder 2 months ago
thats like the sickest story i've ever heard .. this girl will haunt me 4ever
6adassChick 2 months ago
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A documentary I've once seen said that she was neglected by her mother and was almost poisioned(? - meaning I'm not sure) twice by her. Alongside this, her mother was a prostitute and she'd have Mary serve her clients. So she was also sexually abused and likely raped by countless men.
The abuse definitely contributed to Mary's tendencies to kill those three little boys and lack of empathy for others.
AmongTheDispersed 2 months ago
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AmongTheDispersed 2 months ago
Some kids are born evil. When i was 10 my classmate almost kicked my head in when I was playing marbles
kenanB360 2 months ago
hmmm? i now am scrared of 10 yr old girls....
coffee4359 2 months ago
There are Pederasts which never touched a child and non pederasts who raped childs.There is no B/W in this world.
Legrandez666 2 months ago
bitch
BathurstRules 2 months ago
'Born evil' is a label that lets us sweep the issue under the rug and pretend it's solved by throwing away the key. Society will never be completely rid of abusive homes, and not all sociopaths and psychopaths come from abusive homes. In declaring that Mary was simply born evil, we wash our hands of kids like her--no need to intervene in abuse/neglect, no need to hold social services accountable, no need to watch for signs of a severely troubled child.
mokienatrix 2 months ago
Mary Bell was born as a murderer. No matter she was 11 or 111, she is a monster, if she has a chance, she will kill another child..actually she was freed years ago!!
OXFORDUK44 2 months ago
I just read this story and it is so sad all the way around. It's sad that an 11 year old murdered a 3 and 4 year old and it's sad that Mary herself was the victim of sexual abuse by her prostotuting dominatrix mother who made her have sex with men at the age of 4 no wonder she was messed up. She also looks about 18 years old in the pic when she was supposed to be 11 how creepy is that! When will people realize that what they do will affect who their children will become one way or another.
shanellsplace 2 months ago
jesus christ
toriey228 2 months ago
its hard to believe a little girl her age behave in such a very evil way!
Libstergirl74 2 months ago
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It is very important to understand this tale of tragedy. No matter how insane a story may seem, we can learn so much from pyschopaths-serial killers etc. Looking inside their minds will make us aware of diabolical minds walking among us today.
MadDadProductionz 2 months ago
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It is very important to understand this tale of tragedy. No matter how insane a story may seem, we can learn so much from pyschopaths-serial killers etc. Looking inside their minds will make us aware of diabolical minds walking among us today.
MadDadProductionz 2 months ago
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It is very important to understand this tale of tragedy. No matter how insane a story may seem, we can learn so much from pyschopaths-serial killers etc. Looking inside their minds will make us aware of diabolical minds walking among us today.
MadDadProductionz 2 months ago
It is very important to understand this tale of tragedy. No matter how insane a story may seem, we can learn so much from pyschopaths-serial killers etc. Looking inside their minds will make us aware of diabolical minds walking among us today.
MadDadProductionz 2 months ago
that teacher eric foster,still has those busshy eyebrows lol
AngeliquesLOVE 2 months ago
this child should have been taken in hand a long time ago
sarabower1 2 months ago
Weird how Mary and Beth Thomas, "Child of Rage", both had noticeably stunning/beautiful eyes.
maxmagraw 2 months ago
She reminds be of Esther from The Orphan but she isn't a kid.
Jerichorock21 2 months ago
Mary Bell is one fucked up bitch!!!!
KISSMEMYFOOL69 2 months ago
Mary bell resembled actress Dakota Fanning.
dpasquerell 2 months ago
just hearing mary's name just makes me want to kill her
updownradio 2 months ago
I had a much worse childhood then her. Both my parents were mentally ill and abused and neglected me. But I have never and will never hurt anyone else.
You can choose your own path and make your own decisions you can't blame your past.
nomesbirdy 3 months ago 2
@nomesbirdy You have to consider that not everyone reacts the same to identical stimuli. There are things that happen to a person in their earliest childhood that can stick with some people for the rest of their lives, because it had affected them in their decisive phases of development. If your story is true, I congratulate you, but if it really were, why would you feel the need to boast it?
pizzarece 2 months ago
@nomesbirdy I feel terribly for you. May God bless you
sarabower1 2 months ago
@nomesbirdy don't u never compare ur life experience to anyone elses.from ur point of view ur childhood was terrible however it isn't for u to asume whos experience was worst.
marqizaa 2 months ago
I dont believe that children that are abused are going to turn into bad people. Everybody knows right from wrong whether it be an adult or a child. We all have reasons for thinking that we've had bad lives but it doesnt mean that we all goout on a killing spree.
lordsoftheringer 3 months ago
@lordsoftheringer i agree, many ppl who have been abused verbally or phsyically or sexually etc as a child turn out to be 'normal' individuals. many ppl, kids included, have great resilience, with the support of others or not, they grow up to be amazing ppl, not all children who have been abused will become bad. :)
TheCakingGirl 3 months ago
I have to admit u have to feel bad for Mary Bell because she went thro alot in her childhood. Her mother never loved her, always attempting to kill her, and sold her to sex. If it wasnt for her mother not taking guud loving care of Mary Bell, she wouldnt have kill these kids and she wouldve been a nice child.
xXprincesstiff96Xx 3 months ago
.....Her eyes...You can see the evil in her....
DarkHari 3 months ago
@DarkHari the evil is her mother prostituting her from age four and the men sexually abusing her.
NiklasProcess 3 months ago 31
@NiklasProcess How sad. I wonder if her own father sexually abused her as well.
2degucitas 3 months ago
@NiklasProcess if that is to justify, the world would be full of asasin kids...FULL
angelicaloprado09 1 month ago
@angelicaloprado09 it is not a justification. I am considering the collective responsibility we all have within this by accepting and agreeing on a system where lack and inequality is inherent and things such as this are "natural" outflows/consequences. Investigate Equal Money System
NiklasProcess 1 month ago 2
@NiklasProcess lol Yea, and what happens when nobody is producing as much as they are using? It's been tried before & it's a very effective system to make everyone poor.
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BTW, it always strikes me that when such awful matters occur. That many adults, in positions of authority seem to have an opinion. Teachers, Police and other parents.
Yet once a child murders another child, everyone has a route cause analysis of the situation. Everyone knows the awful abuse, degradation and hardship the accused child has suffered.
The question is, what did they do to help the child in her time of need.
dee1ite 3 months ago
Not every child who hails from an impoverished or abusive household, becomes a murderer. In fact, there are many people who can claim that they were neglected, impoverished and abused. Yet they have not become murders.
We must learn to judge all on an individual basis. Obviously Mary Bell was sadly a victim, who was unable to control her demons.
dee1ite 3 months ago
some subtitles would be nice,their accent is frequently very difficult to understand .
ILoveRavenc 3 months ago
Mary Bell should've lost her secret identity as soon as she sold her story of being a child murderer too! And lots of families who lived in Scotchy were poor but didn't turn into child killers though, so don't why this documentary is trying to make us feel sorry for a sociopath who has never shown remorse for crimes like. Excuses excuses when some ppl don't realise that you can be born evil eh! I just feel sorry for her daughter having a child murderer as a mother too.
MaggieACharva 3 months ago
Mary Bell & her pal Norma Bell were sadistic bullies at school & used to strangle kids at their primary for a laugh too! However Norma Bell played dumb & blamed all of it on Mary Bell saying she was scared of her. However me auntie used to go to school when they were there & said they were both nasty kids too! Mary Bell has since sold her story & made money off being a double child murderer. Most families who lived in Scotchy were respectable regardless what this documentary says too!!!
MaggieACharva 3 months ago
Im sorry for the victims but also for what she had to endure while being a young child. I must reluctantly admit she was, to some extent, a victim too.
strela1 3 months ago
I always feel sorry for the victims and the people who carry out the acts. I feel sorry for humanity as a whole for it's many flaws. Yeah that's probably pretty detached but oh well, keeps me sane, and seems the most logical way to think.
Insaneagram 3 months ago
If she had been brought up better in a better environment she would'nt have been the way she was, because she was never able to form an attachment which will give her the ability to love and to feel but she didn't that is why she was why she was.
MsJessxx 3 months ago 15
@MsJessxx Well, obviously. Thats how it all goes, always smartass
careerofbeingblue 2 months ago
@careerofbeingblue alright no need to get shitty
MsJessxx 2 months ago
@MsJessxx no reason to go round killing babies
JessicaEmilyxx 1 month ago
*...we ARE our experiences. If you look at any statistic you will see an obvious link between childhood traumas and criminal/abusive behaviour later in life.
As I said, you assume with your argument that the kids decide to become "good", but without an engraving event in their life that will make them think that way, they simply won't! Actually they can't (no absolute free will). So basically you want to punish her for being unlucky, just so you can believe that YOU chose to be "good". IMO ;)
TheBellabeth 3 months ago 4
@TheBellabeth No, I didnt choose to be "good", I just never thought about killing 2 little boys... And you do have the chance to decide to be a good person or not. Mary wasnt made to kill these 2 boys, she decided she wanted to, she would have known it was wrong because were all taught at school that hurting people is wrong. Its really easy to blame a childs past for them being messed up because we dont want to believe that a child can do this, but in reality she decided to kill. End of...
SuperMaggot250893 3 months ago
@SuperMaggot250893 Sorry, but if her MNS hadn't been normally developed until she was old enough to go to school, she was already a psychopath without a conscience, after that it doesn't matter if she intellectually knows what's "right and wrong" (at least in this current society) because she doesn't experience empathy!
Of course (abused) kids do incredibly horrible things, but she could have been 'saved' through therapy like Beth Thomas.
What I wanna say is: she wasn't 'evil'. That's all.
TheBellabeth 3 months ago 2
@TheBellabeth If she didnt feel empathy and didnt show any feeling before, during and after her crimes then how does that make her not evil?
SuperMaggot250893 3 months ago
@SuperMaggot250893 She was born a normal child and didn't choose to be born into a family where her brain couldn't fully develop due to early and extreme abuse - If she had been born into a loving family she wouldn't have turned out that way.
That's what makes her "not evil"
TheBellabeth 3 months ago
@TheBellabeth You dont know that... Like I said before many children who have also been abused havent grown up to kill, yet they still have feelings. And many people who have grown up into normal families have gone on to kill and not felt any guilt about their crime
SuperMaggot250893 3 months ago
@SuperMaggot250893 I'm sorry that I'm still going on with this, I don't wanna have a long public discussion, but:What do you think is "evil" ? There are 2 kinds of psychopaths: the ones who were already born with a diseased brain and the ones whose brain couldn't develop in their early childhood. (BBC article: Born evil or with a diseased brain?) I mean if you are religious I can understand that you may believe in good and evil, but when you trust in science, there is not much room for free will
TheBellabeth 3 months ago
@TheBellabeth No I am not religious so dont believe in good and evil. I also dont believe that having a troubled start to life can mess you up, because like iv said many times there are people who have been abused and not gone on to kill. I dont know about you, but I could understand hurting people or stealing things but actually killing somebody? I see anybody who is capable of taking another persons life doesnt deserve to have their own life......
SuperMaggot250893 3 months ago
@SuperMaggot250893 abuse=/=abuse! Nobody has the same story, so you can't compare abused children in that way. It's always important if the child get's any other (positive) input apart from the abusive environment - eg from school, media or family/friends. Then there's a chance for them to be 'saved'. As I'm not a psychopath and had good education I don't consider killing random people for my pleasure ;) ... But soldiers kill every day in war zones - do they deserve to die too?
TheBellabeth 3 months ago 2
@TheBellabeth Soldiers kill to save our country, no they do not deserve to die. Why did Mary kill? For her pleasure, so yea she deserves to die. Do you know every case of child abuse? Do you know if any child who has been abused also had good in their lives? Do you know what abuse Mary had? You dont, so you cant say Mary killed because she was...
SuperMaggot250893 3 months ago
@TheBellabeth i disagree. There are other children who are subjected to extreme abuse and don't do such things. It depends on who the child is to start with. Personality and temperament of the individual is the teller rather than the abuse itself.
TheDharmawheel 3 months ago
@TheDharmawheel Then you suggest that everybody is already BORN with a certain personality? This is the part where free will can only be explained as supernatural, because it wouldn't follow the laws of causality -but this wouldn't be desirable either! Your character gets shaped through your experiences, parenting and genes!
Do you think all the "evil souls/people" were born in Nazi Germany??
No, most were normal (and hungry) people who believed a lot in authority and got manipulated!
TheBellabeth 3 months ago
@TheBellabeth you are born with a certain temperament and a certain "base" for a personality. Scientific evidence supports this.
"Do you think all the "evil souls/people" were born in Nazi Germany??"
What an emotive and irrelevant thing in this instance. The things done by people during war and under an extreme regime of immediate threats is different from a child who grows up in an abusive situation.
TheDharmawheel 3 months ago
@TheDharmawheel sure, that's what I said too - but it's in your genes, there's no free will involved, that's what I mean!
no it's no 'emotive and irrelevant thing' to say if you are willing to understand how I mean it. WW2 showed the malleability of the human mind - I could also take the Phelps family as an example - from the outside people think even their children are extraordinarily evil - only did they become this through their parenting not because they decide to act in an 'evil' manner.
TheBellabeth 3 months ago
@TheBellabeth Your pop psychology is a popular train of thought but its off track as anyone who is aware of human development on a deeper level than the lay person would know.
TheDharmawheel 3 months ago
@TheDharmawheel It's certainly not pop psychology and I cant take you seriously anymore after that remark, also because you suggest that you actually solved the free will debate - nobody did, because there's simply no method to find out, because some variables are unobservable.
I did a lot of research for my Psychology/Philosophy dissertation - I wish I didn't know so much about this-it takes away the illusion of freedom.
TheBellabeth 3 months ago
@TheBellabeth the theorist who originally stated what you are essentially saying was around a long time ago and so much has been learnt and studied in depth since then. Its all fairly easy to access if you are interested.
TheDharmawheel 3 months ago
@TheDharmawheel ...even quantum mechanics with Heisenberg's uncertainty principle won't help cause it's only relevant in dimensions of single electrons. But I sincerely HOPE that it may leave a little bit of freedom for us, even if it's extremely small.
However, to say that Mary Bell or Beth Thomas were 'evil' is naive. Technically a psychopath is ill - it's just a disease that is not easy to tolerate because most people are too emotional to be objective about it.
TheBellabeth 3 months ago
@TheBellabeth i think you have missed much of what i've said as you are focused on the concept of 'evil' which i certainly don't believe in and haven't even used the word.
TheDharmawheel 3 months ago
@TheDharmawheel well if you say so;
but that was MY point all along if you look at my older posts - I just wanted to make clear that she is neither 'evil' how they call her nor does she deserve eternal torture or a painful death!
I assumed you would refer to what I was writing earlier ;)
We can agree to disagree, a discussion like this would never find an ending ;)
TheBellabeth 3 months ago
she has pretty eyes
universalize1 3 months ago
where is the fucking cunt now
bauer444 3 months ago
@bauer444 Free she served her time. She was like 10.
PlanckEpoch 3 months ago
evil spawn of the devil
MsPelicanus 3 months ago
HER EYES,HER EYES
SERVICECANADAGC 3 months ago
Weird.
LilHoodBrats88 3 months ago
some of the naive people on here should watch 'Child of Rage' the story of Beth Thomas on here. Disturbed but innocent children, both with murderous tendencies both innocent
AliceD18 3 months ago 6
@AliceD18 exactly. people are so easy to manipulate - the film started out with showing the effects of the abuse she had to endure in her early years.
If it started by explaining her own abuse nightmare, people would realise that it isn't all black and white and that indeed she IS the VICTIM. There's no such thing as an "evil child". It all came from somewhere and it's not her fault that she was the daughter of her abusive mother.
"Child of Rage" had a better structure regarding this.
TheBellabeth 3 months ago 15
That kid had the creepiest eyes EVER!! A (un)natural-born sociopath. 8-[ YIKES! Now I'm going to have nightmares tonight... LOL
akeames 3 months ago
There was obviously something wrong with how she got brought up. Her mother was a prostitute and often made Mary engage in sexual activities with her clients. Anyway...Mary Bell is a very creepy name. The type of name they have in those horror movies
TheDellanator 3 months ago
This reminds me of the movie "Orphan"
LittleE6 4 months ago
there are a lot of kids that were abused in some form of another...and have never killed nor harmed anyone!! im sorry she had a horrible childhood.. but mary was old enough to know right from wrong! she should be punished!! to let her ass know, this type of shit is unacceptable!!
chykim1 4 months ago
COME BACK TO THE CHILD TELL THEM WHY THEY GOT THERE BUT BUSTED LET THEM KNOW THAT IT WAS WRONG AND THEN HUG THEM THAT LETS THEM KNOW THAT U STILL LOVE THEM. PARENTS OPEN YOUR EYES.
69MissMarissa 4 months ago
OK FIRST OFF NOBODY ON HERE CAN JUDGE THE KILLERS BUT GOD HIS SELF. WHEN U DO BAD THINGS YES YOU NEED PUNISHED, I BELEIVE THAT BUT GOD SAID NOT TO JUDGE AND TO FORGIVE AND FORGET. THESE WHERE KIDS THAT KILLED NOT GROWN ADULTS IF THE PARENTS WOULD OF PAYED ATTENTION TO THE BIBLE AND LOVE AND SPEAR THE ROD POIL THE CHILD. ITS A WAY THAT YOU DO THAT THOUGH DONT BEAT YOUR CHILD. JUST MAKE SURE THEY KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG YOU DONT SCARE YOUR CHILD IN THE BEATINGS, YOU WHIP THERE BUTTS .
69MissMarissa 4 months ago
@69MissMarissa Its easy enough to say we must all forgive a murderer, but do they really deserve to be forgiven after they have taken away another persons life? Maybe this girl didnt have a good start to life, but not every child who suffers from abuse takes other people lives. For example, a man called David Pelzer was abused by his mum, he was finally saved then went through a lot of other struggles throughout life. Did he kill somebody? No, he wrote a book so he could help other people!
SuperMaggot250893 4 months ago
@SuperMaggot250893 did you watch "Child of rage"? good documentary for that...
Most people think naturally, it's right to condemn a murderer. But if you do only a little bit of research regarding the free will debate, you will see that we ARE our experiences and genes. If you had been born in her skin having EXACTLY the same experiences (horrific abuse) then there is only an incredibly small chance you wouldn't have turned out the same. Black/white thinking is easy but not even close to reality!
TheBellabeth 3 months ago 31
@TheBellabeth Im not saying the things we do are not caused by our experiences as a child... Im just saying that its easy enough to blame abuse for Mary's crime, but there are many children who have been abused but have not gone on to kill somebody. There are also many people who come from good childhoods and are loved etc etc, yet they kill...
SuperMaggot250893 3 months ago
@SuperMaggot250893 I respect your opinion, but think: is it really easier to see the reasons behind murder and realise that we generally don't really have the option to say "I will be a good person", but that it's all about our surrounding? If you REALLY study the free will discussion it may shock you to see that we have hardly any (IF any at all) control over our WILL (not to be confused with freedom of action). There are by far more people from broken homes who commit crimes -logical, because*
TheBellabeth 3 months ago 3
@TheBellabeth ...abused+she killed because her brain didnt develope, because there would be other children who would have had it worse! I cant be bothered with this anymore, you have your opinion and I have mine
SuperMaggot250893 3 months ago
@SuperMaggot250893 actually it is well known how she was abused and how her mother also tried to kill her several times and that she had the typical signs of a psychopath (and that she recovered).
And I knew you didn't think it through when you said "anybody who is capable of taking another persons life doesnt deserve to have their own life", so I had to make the soldier example.
Anyways, agreed - this discussion can never find an end. Farewell
TheBellabeth 3 months ago
@TheBellabeth By saying "I knew you didn't think it through when you said "anybody who is capable of taking another persons life doesnt deserve to have their own life", so I had to make the soldier example" makes you sound arrogant and rude. I can see you have also been doing this to other people, and you clearly think your opinion is correct and anybody who has a different opinion is wrong, and therefore you try to force your opinion on other people.
So farewell
SuperMaggot250893 3 months ago
@SuperMaggot250893 I apologise if you feel offended, but a quote of mine on this video has also been described with 'what an emotive and irrelevant thing in this instance',but well - written words don't reflect the voice of the writer -the reader gives them meaning.
In a discussion I test the points of my opposite and as you didn't say anything I haven't heard before or which I see as truthful I obviously don't change my mind - just like you believe you are right and try to weaken my arguments.
TheBellabeth 3 months ago
@SuperMaggot250893 ... and as there are more people with your opinion watching this video, people are more likely to discuss with me than with you ;-)
However, you can certainly believe what you want, I don't want to change people's minds!
Have a great weekend!
TheBellabeth 3 months ago
@TheBellabeth That's not true. people get abused terribly all the time and react differently.
kaiserwilhelm 3 months ago
@TheBellabeth Lots of people have been born into similar, or even much worse circumstances than Mary Bell and they haven't went on to commit sadistic crimes.
Some souls are just born evil.
aeronuk1 2 months ago 3
@TheBellabeth i literally just finished watching "Child of Rage" very good
the333pinky 2 months ago 2
Watch Child Of Rage.
Polyfusia 4 months ago 3
are you willfully ignoring the fact that Mary was a victim?
MICHA4955 4 months ago
Was Norma 'evil' too? The way the court case went, if you ACTUALLY READ ABOUT IT, shows how differently these two girls were treated from the very start. Mary didn't have a chance.
kezzabeast 4 months ago