@AzZa2289 Unfortunately, no. It is strictly a multiplayer beta, with only a few maps. The e3 demo will be hard to find, as I doubt it left Bungie's development kits, and being that they were heavily involved with Microsoft at the time, they are most likely to follow common procedure of destroying old stuff. Not to say that it won't pop up, but it could be a while. This was originally distributed on a disk, making it much more common.
@MrJoysiq Right, Im a tight ass for respecting the wishes of the original people who had the disk. Anyway, its publicly available and hacked over at betaarchive, no need to listen to this fool.
@taitai907 Yes, it was an internal MS beta on a retail disc. And there were several other betas too. They got leaked, and some people have copies. Others find them on random green or white debug xboxes.
0:18 Why...why...why...why...why...why...why...WHYYYY?!?!?!??!?!?! AAAAARRGGHHH why was this not in the final game?!?!?!? Holy SHIT these kind of options aren't even in Halo 3 or Reach! Arranged games? Optimatch? This game could have been so much...
A formal letter I send to MGS (Microsoft Gaming Studios): Take your thumbs out of your hairy asses and realize...FOR THE LOVE OF GOD REALIZE...RUSHED GAMES= BAD
And if a game is good enough for a sequel, FUCK OFF and give them the time they need.
@Overdosage it just goes to show they could have done ALOT more with halo 2. infact most scraped ideas from halo 2 went into halo 3 and reach. like armour and stuff.
Did anyone else notice at the bottom of the Main Menu screen? It said "Saved Films." Seems like Bungie thought up a lot of ideas for Halo 2 (like the Mongoose)but didn't implement them until Halo 3.
@AzureHoBo they said that in a halo 3 vidoc. the hardware wasnt ready yet. the xbox had a small hard drive so there wouldnt enough space to save lots of films.
yeah odst wasnt very good of a game. i thought it wouldve been fun to go around the city on ledgenary with 4 of my friends but it was boring aftretr i beat the game. ijust wanted to share that :Dlol but yeah odst isnt worth it but if you want the reach beta you should get odst plus you get the whole halo 3 multiplayer experieence.
i just want to buy the halo reach, it looks different you know? and new armor! and elites! i cant wait to see what they'l do with the elites! maybe they'l have those gold ones in again!
I think odst is fine. yes, it was kind of a let down. but it's not a bad game. I mean it. some games just flat out suck. there was one game that I rented and I did not even play it. the cut sceen was SO bad (and long) that i just ejected the game and sent it back. right there on the spot. games time in my hose: 12 minutes. time played: 7 minutes. ( it was all cut sceen. i did not even finish the movie) cut ODST some slack. even every now and then some odst just hits the spot.
Halo 2 had a divine spark that was lost in Halo 3... and its ok, Halo 3 had to be different.
My cousin got the Halo 2 beta for my birthday, shit I was really happy. I have this game since 2004 and I still playing it as I did the first day.. xD!!!
halo 2 was SUPPOSED to have a mangoose, always it was in the desgin. but then they got greedy and the REASON why they held back on halo 2 was because they were going t make THE perfect game, but everything they held back on was to be the content for halo 3 thats why h3 is bad ecause those bits are the add-ons for halo 2 originally.
it did work, they trialled it to a group of 100 people. also the sword worked in the halo 1 beta, perfectly. yes they did fuk up by purpose so there would be some for people to look forward to in the next halo games from h1.
Most of the stuff they held back the first time was ass when they were actually released weapon wise. The Mongoose is okay, but the game didn't need it. As for save films, maybe there wasn't enougn marketability for it because barely anyone had XBL at the time.
no... loads of people had xbl, there were thousands of people on xbc waiting for xbox live. like a million people were on the first day of halo 2 online, i know because i got live as well. and they pulled back theatre back the xbox wasnt powerful enough to support it. but the other things they fuxxed up on.
i miss halo 2. the campaign was way sicker than halo 3 and if i played it, i'd just have a huge feeling of nostalgia with maps like ivory tower and burial mounds
spawning with an SMG, my fave wep, fighting elites, more primitive weapons, vehicles and enemies, yea, lately ive been wanting to play halo 2 online..
HELLYA =D I own halo 3 but though halo 2 multiplayer isn't as good as halo 3's multiplayer for its time it is way better. and also i like halo 2's singleplayer better then halo 3's
Again, no it isnt. Id love to be able to program my own interface, my own Xbox Live, my own vehicles, my own game, but I can't. This is a legit beta build.
I just want to look at the mainmenu wgit and skin tags to recreate some transitions and animations of the beta menu into the halo 2 retail as i made a lot of research on wgit,skin and wigl and released some plugins, i know the map structure is not the same as h2 retail but i can handle that.
I know xdk i nedded and and create a partner account, i just hope that people stop beign so egoist and can share it just for research purposes i don't plan on ripping anything.
Its not an issue of being an egoist. Its an issue of peoples jobs being on the line, and I would never risk someones job just because some modder wants to steal content and illegally release it
I didn't said steal, just see how some wgit tags are setup, also i understand that for the people's job but then don't post these videos, it's normal to see people like me fooling around to get this then so don't complain, yes you probably are going to hear things about me trying to get this... but really these kinds of things are anoyying to the entire modding community just showing things that people can't get, only a little select few people that is the "l33t" that's my opinion.
Releasing videos doesnt have any sort of way to trace it back to the original owner ;) Mod a menu similar if you like, but theres no reason to look at the actual item. Ive worked hard to get things like this, and the other betas that I post, and I release what I can, when I can. I won't ruin my reputation, or potentially someones livelyhood, just so someone can make a menu, or try to hack something into a game.
But there's actually others modders that have it and that are making fun modding it...
Apps have been made to mode the beta, if not we wouldn't see the mongoose on the other vieo, the question is do you reallt have the right to have a Pnet account?
:/
so i am tried of poeple callking what i to get illegal when they are doing it.
Theres a difference between having it, and releasing it. Simply put, Ive been told not to, and I keep it that way.
And yes, I do. My site is down right now from too much traffic, but when its up, you'll see me using the same exact XDK for many things, many betas, many of which Ive released to the public personally.
Like you said, modders have all the ability to do this and more. So a video should be plenty, since about the only difference is the menu. Everything else you can get in a mod, so don't bug the poor guy for something he can't give out.
Hey dude congrats on being part of the few people able to play this, very cool indeed! Too bad Bungie didn't have more time to work on Halo 2 (and Halo 3). Fugin microsoft
u can't get the disk. it was only avalible for people on xbox live a long time ago. For exapmle like halo 3 beta people got to play on that. it was DLC downloadable content.
Are there any missions? Like say, the one from the E3 demo?
AzZa2289 1 month ago
@AzZa2289 Unfortunately, no. It is strictly a multiplayer beta, with only a few maps. The e3 demo will be hard to find, as I doubt it left Bungie's development kits, and being that they were heavily involved with Microsoft at the time, they are most likely to follow common procedure of destroying old stuff. Not to say that it won't pop up, but it could be a while. This was originally distributed on a disk, making it much more common.
Borman18 1 month ago
@Borman18
How do we play it if xbox live 1.0 doesnt exist anymore?
YouArentValid 2 months ago
@YouArentValid You dont. I never played it on Xbox Live anyway, only Partnernet.
Borman18 2 months ago
If anyone wants the beta PM me. Borman18 is a tight ass for not giving to the community..
MrJoysiq 2 months ago
@MrJoysiq Right, Im a tight ass for respecting the wishes of the original people who had the disk. Anyway, its publicly available and hacked over at betaarchive, no need to listen to this fool.
Borman18 2 months ago
Got the beta... now how do i play this? it says i need network connection
PorkyBot07 4 months ago
back in 2004, first time when I used to play Halo 2 it was BETA!!! damn
kizikMC 6 months ago
Notice the "Saved Films" tab in the menu...we got screwed for years.
menaceblake 6 months ago
4:11 to skip the downloading part
DJAYCE37 8 months ago 2
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DJAYCE37 8 months ago
There was a Halo 2 Beta? o.0
taitai907 1 year ago
@taitai907 Yes, it was an internal MS beta on a retail disc. And there were several other betas too. They got leaked, and some people have copies. Others find them on random green or white debug xboxes.
HaloSpartanG13 1 year ago
ha original xbox ftw
CortanaFTW 1 year ago
0:18 Why...why...why...why...why...why...why...WHYYYY?!?!?!??!?!?! AAAAARRGGHHH why was this not in the final game?!?!?!? Holy SHIT these kind of options aren't even in Halo 3 or Reach! Arranged games? Optimatch? This game could have been so much...
A formal letter I send to MGS (Microsoft Gaming Studios): Take your thumbs out of your hairy asses and realize...FOR THE LOVE OF GOD REALIZE...RUSHED GAMES= BAD
And if a game is good enough for a sequel, FUCK OFF and give them the time they need.
Overdosage 1 year ago
@Overdosage it just goes to show they could have done ALOT more with halo 2. infact most scraped ideas from halo 2 went into halo 3 and reach. like armour and stuff.
DANTEandSTEVEN 1 year ago
What I would like to know, is why is a Halo modder like me not get this?
why is it the best modders of the entire Halo, have their fucking hands on this, I bet they pass it around in a circle of cool kids.
Aww, well, they halomodding community is dead.
I never got this ever, I guess I am jealous and envious.
KillerShock120 1 year ago
i didnt know halo2 had a beta
zeokight 1 year ago
@zeokight It was a private beta.
TheLizzardOh 1 year ago
uvieras cortado el video cuando estabas descargango el mapa
ALFONSO8202 1 year ago
Real Halo2 beta wow :D
kubilay701 1 year ago
Borman would you ever sell the halo 2 beta files for private use?
feedthefishy 1 year ago
Man, they need to bring clans bacl
That was the reason why Custom games could actually be fun back in the days of Halo 2, while custom BTB is impossible in Halo 3.
TesseractDigital 1 year ago
saved films? wow wtf... theater mode in halo 2?? can someone tell me why this is in the video ?
halo239 1 year ago
Did anyone else notice the saved films option?
SyZToMoVERloaD 1 year ago
I obviously didnt know what I was talking about
tatertruck124 1 year ago
half of the video is downloading, why did u just skip the download part
TeamRedz 1 year ago
this beta was built on August 21st 2007 just so you know.
tatertruck124 1 year ago
@tatertruck124: I always thought the date in the build tag was the date you were playing on.
@Borman: Is this still playable even though XBL has been shut down?
turb030031993 1 year ago
@tatertruck124 Just cause the video was posted then doesn't mean it was made then
xSathya96x 1 year ago
sweat this has theater on it
MsKLeader 1 year ago
Did anyone else notice at the bottom of the Main Menu screen? It said "Saved Films." Seems like Bungie thought up a lot of ideas for Halo 2 (like the Mongoose)but didn't implement them until Halo 3.
AzureHoBo 2 years ago 3
@AzureHoBo
firefight was supposed to be in halo 3, not odst
yeah i agree, their deadlines were a little early, i wouldve waited for extra features.
uninspiredml 1 year ago
@AzureHoBo they said that in a halo 3 vidoc. the hardware wasnt ready yet. the xbox had a small hard drive so there wouldnt enough space to save lots of films.
andrewwk6 1 year ago
is there any way to download halo 2 beta on xbox 360?
RainbowAlpha 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
i played halo 1 online on my xbox, i was one of the few to get xbox live too at the time
WizzardOfGlue 2 years ago
Orly?
SpartanElite095 2 years ago
yeah why don't you believe?
WizzardOfGlue 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Because you're an idiot.
SpartanElite095 2 years ago
your pretty messed up man :/
WizzardOfGlue 2 years ago
Messed up for not believing that some guy with the screen name "WizzardOfGlue" had Xbox Live for Halo 1 back when it didn't exist?
SpartanElite095 2 years ago
so you judge before you even know me
WizzardOfGlue 2 years ago
You're the only person in the world who claims it and you have no evidence to prove it.
SpartanElite095 2 years ago
thats true, but who can really
WizzardOfGlue 2 years ago
what do you mean messed up i love halo how do you think its messed up!?
tinkred9 2 years ago
i love halo too, what are you talking about?
WizzardOfGlue 2 years ago
i thought you meant you didn't like halo....
tinkred9 2 years ago
i love halo, i have all three of them. and im going to get the halo reach one. i didn't get ODST
WizzardOfGlue 2 years ago
..............i can see that.................
tinkred9 2 years ago
whats with all the dots? really kid. im not your enemy
WizzardOfGlue 2 years ago
yeah odst wasnt very good of a game. i thought it wouldve been fun to go around the city on ledgenary with 4 of my friends but it was boring aftretr i beat the game. ijust wanted to share that :Dlol but yeah odst isnt worth it but if you want the reach beta you should get odst plus you get the whole halo 3 multiplayer experieence.
KeviNguyeniSexy 2 years ago
i just want to buy the halo reach, it looks different you know? and new armor! and elites! i cant wait to see what they'l do with the elites! maybe they'l have those gold ones in again!
WizzardOfGlue 2 years ago
yeah but im just saying if you want to get a taste of reach first you HAVE to buy odst. beucase it gives you an early beta for multiplayer.
KeviNguyeniSexy 2 years ago
is there any date set for the reach beta so i can mark it on my calendar lol
TheSonicWarrior 2 years ago
i thught u need to have bought halo 3 ODStTto be able to try the beta for halo reach
blackwingz55 2 years ago
@TheSonicWarrior yes may the 4th
Halomaster7720 1 year ago
I think odst is fine. yes, it was kind of a let down. but it's not a bad game. I mean it. some games just flat out suck. there was one game that I rented and I did not even play it. the cut sceen was SO bad (and long) that i just ejected the game and sent it back. right there on the spot. games time in my hose: 12 minutes. time played: 7 minutes. ( it was all cut sceen. i did not even finish the movie) cut ODST some slack. even every now and then some odst just hits the spot.
noobking111 1 year ago
@noobking111 whats the name of that bad game that sucked
BAQPenuin 1 year ago
@BAQPenuin I dono. it was a long time ago. it was for the wii tho. some kind of mini game thing.
noobking111 1 year ago
Because Halo 1 DOES NOT HAVE XBOX LIVE SUPPORT. Dumbass.
Unless you count Xbox Connect.
Sebas3440 2 years ago
lol i dont even care anymore dude, get on with your life :)
WizzardOfGlue 2 years ago
The website no longer exists... well, it's a search engine spam site now.
Any chance this beta stuff could be leaked somewhere?
FantasyJam 2 years ago 2
The site is just a placeholder for the domain, not spam really since I still own it :P And no leak
Borman18 2 years ago 2
@Borman18 I have the Halo 2 BETA.
Xenlex777 6 months ago
fag
givemerockbitch 2 years ago
do we really need to watch the load screen?
Saberwind45871 2 years ago
DAMN this needs to get leaked to the public :D
DarkSplank 2 years ago
we all know they rushed halo 2 imagine if they had more time to make this great game godlike
Arcadia117 2 years ago
Mainly because they kept pushing the release date, and they had to release it some time.
LoticaStudios 2 years ago
Halo 2 had a divine spark that was lost in Halo 3... and its ok, Halo 3 had to be different.
My cousin got the Halo 2 beta for my birthday, shit I was really happy. I have this game since 2004 and I still playing it as I did the first day.. xD!!!
Runnerrmejor 2 years ago
show us some campaign
allforall48 2 years ago
halo 2 beta had mongoose?
OblivionOfHumanity 2 years ago
halo 2 was SUPPOSED to have a mangoose, always it was in the desgin. but then they got greedy and the REASON why they held back on halo 2 was because they were going t make THE perfect game, but everything they held back on was to be the content for halo 3 thats why h3 is bad ecause those bits are the add-ons for halo 2 originally.
omnion1990 2 years ago
well halo 3 isnt that bad, i mean i have it, and its pretty awesome
OblivionOfHumanity 2 years ago
They held it back because it didn't work yet.
Are you honestly trying to say Bungie fucked up on purpose?
masterpiraka 2 years ago
it did work, they trialled it to a group of 100 people. also the sword worked in the halo 1 beta, perfectly. yes they did fuk up by purpose so there would be some for people to look forward to in the next halo games from h1.
omnion1990 2 years ago
Most of the stuff they held back the first time was ass when they were actually released weapon wise. The Mongoose is okay, but the game didn't need it. As for save films, maybe there wasn't enougn marketability for it because barely anyone had XBL at the time.
masterpiraka 2 years ago
no... loads of people had xbl, there were thousands of people on xbc waiting for xbox live. like a million people were on the first day of halo 2 online, i know because i got live as well. and they pulled back theatre back the xbox wasnt powerful enough to support it. but the other things they fuxxed up on.
omnion1990 2 years ago
I mean before Halo 2. People just didn't have faith in the feature.
Also theres what you said....which kinda contradicts what you said earlier, but....
It's still true.
masterpiraka 2 years ago
lol before halo 2 there was no xbox live multiplayer at all. and nothing contradicts, sine that was the first time i mentioned theatre mode....
omnion1990 2 years ago
You said that Bungie held back the features they did to make us anticipate the next one more. Also, there was Unreal championship.
masterpiraka 2 years ago
ye they did... hence why i didnt mention theatre mode as one. they held back vehicles, weapons, and forge.
omnion1990 2 years ago
Forge wasnt invented in H2.
masterpiraka 2 years ago
editing maps and installing to hard-drive was, but they scraped it then people started modding the maps for xbox.
omnion1990 2 years ago
I saw a "Saved Films" option, does that mean H2 could've had a theatre mode too?
keyransolo 3 years ago
Yes, removed due to the fact it was too buggy, i really want this beta, i have the H3B but i gootta crack the XeX first :(
roguemods 2 years ago
the XEX?
numafan101 2 years ago
like an exe for an xbox 360, when u run a disj the 360 sees the XeX and runs it, i edit them and play them.
roguemods 2 years ago
The beta looks alot cooler then the real game lol
TheHaloMan2009 3 years ago 15
Wow. Such a great game. It surpasses Halo 3 by loads.
ThunderCurls 3 years ago 2
Agreed
keyransolo 3 years ago
i miss halo 2. the campaign was way sicker than halo 3 and if i played it, i'd just have a huge feeling of nostalgia with maps like ivory tower and burial mounds
Gredran 3 years ago
The menu system is cooler like this
Antiapplekid 3 years ago 2
agreed
Gredran 3 years ago 2
wow i miss those good old days when halo 2 was the best.
legendy2j 3 years ago 17
yea
pbstare59 3 years ago
hey theres always Halo 2 Vista
PIKACHU49386 3 years ago
so true... halo 3 kicks ass but there was something about halo 2 that felt much better...
greenblobo9 3 years ago 2
spawning with an SMG, my fave wep, fighting elites, more primitive weapons, vehicles and enemies, yea, lately ive been wanting to play halo 2 online..
lucas3177 3 years ago
HELLYA =D I own halo 3 but though halo 2 multiplayer isn't as good as halo 3's multiplayer for its time it is way better. and also i like halo 2's singleplayer better then halo 3's
greenblobo9 3 years ago 2
Where did you get this?
UK31337 3 years ago
Just gotta know the right people
Borman18 3 years ago
make a vid of beta campaign mode please
halo676 3 years ago
or download it on xbox live not 360
mmprouty 3 years ago
oh please i would die to have this
greenblobo9 3 years ago
omfg you need to downlaod it thats why people played beta then buyed halo2 and they didnt downlaod lockout thats why they fail to load map
prettythang11 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
is fake
ZeFoRicK 3 years ago
Again, no it isnt. Id love to be able to program my own interface, my own Xbox Live, my own vehicles, my own game, but I can't. This is a legit beta build.
Borman18 3 years ago
This is fake..
neodos1 3 years ago
Uh no its not. Its a beta build
Borman18 3 years ago
Oh where can i get it?
I just want to look at the mainmenu wgit and skin tags to recreate some transitions and animations of the beta menu into the halo 2 retail as i made a lot of research on wgit,skin and wigl and released some plugins, i know the map structure is not the same as h2 retail but i can handle that.
I know xdk i nedded and and create a partner account, i just hope that people stop beign so egoist and can share it just for research purposes i don't plan on ripping anything.
neodos1 3 years ago
Its not an issue of being an egoist. Its an issue of peoples jobs being on the line, and I would never risk someones job just because some modder wants to steal content and illegally release it
Borman18 3 years ago
I didn't said steal, just see how some wgit tags are setup, also i understand that for the people's job but then don't post these videos, it's normal to see people like me fooling around to get this then so don't complain, yes you probably are going to hear things about me trying to get this... but really these kinds of things are anoyying to the entire modding community just showing things that people can't get, only a little select few people that is the "l33t" that's my opinion.
neodos1 3 years ago
Releasing videos doesnt have any sort of way to trace it back to the original owner ;) Mod a menu similar if you like, but theres no reason to look at the actual item. Ive worked hard to get things like this, and the other betas that I post, and I release what I can, when I can. I won't ruin my reputation, or potentially someones livelyhood, just so someone can make a menu, or try to hack something into a game.
Borman18 3 years ago
But there's actually others modders that have it and that are making fun modding it...
Apps have been made to mode the beta, if not we wouldn't see the mongoose on the other vieo, the question is do you reallt have the right to have a Pnet account?
:/
so i am tried of poeple callking what i to get illegal when they are doing it.
neodos1 3 years ago
Theres a difference between having it, and releasing it. Simply put, Ive been told not to, and I keep it that way.
And yes, I do. My site is down right now from too much traffic, but when its up, you'll see me using the same exact XDK for many things, many betas, many of which Ive released to the public personally.
Borman18 3 years ago
Like you said, modders have all the ability to do this and more. So a video should be plenty, since about the only difference is the menu. Everything else you can get in a mod, so don't bug the poor guy for something he can't give out.
GTTeancum 3 years ago
the old xbox is cooler!
XANA8446 4 years ago
yeah but 360 is more advanced with all the new techno crap they packed in the 360 I'm sure they didn't have much room for pretty stuff
micah9639 3 years ago
Saved Films!!!
gordan99 4 years ago
what the hell?? i didnt know there was a beta either lol
xHaloBoyx 4 years ago
there is a beta of every game its just usually not shown to the public
mr0ska 4 years ago 2
Hey dude congrats on being part of the few people able to play this, very cool indeed! Too bad Bungie didn't have more time to work on Halo 2 (and Halo 3). Fugin microsoft
blondeannie26 4 years ago 2
I'm pretty sure this is bungie.
SixtyGrunt 4 years ago
i never knew there was halo 2 beta
bladesofury2 4 years ago 3
imagine halo 2 if they actually had time to do everything they wanted. saved films!
xxode315 4 years ago
There is no way to download or otherwise obtain this.
Borman18 4 years ago
hmm there must l mean maybe a modder could make copies of it dont ask me how l wouldnt kno
fullmetalmc 4 years ago
Modders dont have this disk. Simple as that
Borman18 4 years ago
ahh but if they did? but of course l can see that some ppl r more selfish than others
fullmetalmc 4 years ago
Its not about selfishness. Its about people keeping their jobs.
Borman18 4 years ago
thats heaps better menu man
is there a way to download this?
xlxmikevxlx 4 years ago
The have the entire download of "Lockout" sequence in this vid?... wow! Could it be any longer?
wiggafab 4 years ago
Its called documentation. Get use to it.
Borman18 4 years ago
I dont know
Borman18 4 years ago
oi man howd u get it? i wanna try it out ay
xlxmikevxlx 4 years ago
u can't get the disk. it was only avalible for people on xbox live a long time ago. For exapmle like halo 3 beta people got to play on that. it was DLC downloadable content.
haloelite11215 4 years ago
l has Halo 3 beta l wish l could play it tho....
fullmetalmc 4 years ago
halo 2 beta had better menus other than alpha
illegalprogram 4 years ago
there was a halo 2 beta???? when did this happen???? X[
lilaXmAn 4 years ago
Long long ago. And no one was invited to it. It was closed, bungie only (unless they invited the press)
Borman18 4 years ago
greedy bastards...but tehy did make the best game ever
lilaXmAn 4 years ago
old but it looked color like this
haloelite11215 4 years ago
Old? No? I took the footage in August, it cant be old
Borman18 4 years ago
WTF? H2 Beta?
xXPcCXx 4 years ago
lol
10aug 4 years ago
this vid must be old
Favian117 4 years ago
*over
PokeOnic 4 years ago
Wow, i prefer halo 2 beta of the real game.
PokeOnic 4 years ago
WOW :o
slyester33 4 years ago
yea the had a halo 2 beta just like they had a halo 3 beta
sergd259259 4 years ago
lol
Kenkas15 4 years ago
WTF HALO 2 BETA
jimjim435 4 years ago
???
Infantpuncher 4 years ago
do u hav the beta???? pls tell me!!!
fullmetalmc 4 years ago
dude awesome beta goodness
fullmetalmc 4 years ago
how did u get that
woo9876 4 years ago