@HermonieG1 Who cares. With 13 Trillion owed and all your companies moved to Mexico and China you need another civil war dude. US is pawned from within.
@HermonieG1 Its not just Obamas fault. Both parties are guilty. They pretend to be pro jobs and pro American but they just sell the country out to anyone and everyone for a buck in their pocket. Beware of all the self serving pollies whose real bosses are the lobbyists outside their office.
I only have one question: Joan Baez- Great Singer, or the Greatest Singer? This version blows but it's a great song, even if it's about the South losing the Civil War. Anyway, it was the 70's and people didn't know what was good or bad. I wish i had 4 hands- so i could give this version 4 THUMBS DOWN!!!!! The milk has gone bad....
Joan Baez is THE embogyment of what used to be associated with the Goddess Athena. Jim Henson took and shoved great people down the punters throats. Forcibly. Because it is fun to be fun. This is fun. Have fun. That's the 70ies. Fun, man. Not just shades of brown.
And it if fun to understand stuff even if it turns out to be history. No milk going bad here, boy.
@agorlewski I'm sure the Confederacy was just awesome - if you were white.... Hello? anyone!? Slavery? yeah that realy rocked. So sad the confedracy went down...
i hate joan baez. NUMBER ONE, SHE WENT AND SAID IT WAS STONEWALL JACKSON WHO TORE UP THE DANVILLE SUPPLY RAILS!!! NUMBER TWO HER SORRY ASS IS FROM STATEN ISLAND NEW YORK!!!! she has no right to sing that song. levon helm was from arkansas. he has the right. not her pathetic self. and yeah, idc what nobody has to say about this. she can at least get the lyrics right. SOUTHERN BORN AND SOUTHERN BRED BY THE GRACE OF GOD.
@boomhauer15 YOU ARE AN IGNORANT LITTLE SHIT - NO MORE SOUTHERN THAN NY! IF YOU WERE SOUTHERN,YOUR MAMA WOULD HAVE TAUGHT YOU MANNERS. WHAT THE FUCK, JOAN JUST SINGS THE SONGS - TAKE THE SONG UP WITH ROBBIE ROBERTSON OF "THE BAND"! YOU WISH YOU WERE AS STRONG AND INFLUENTIAL AS SHE, NOT TO MENTION TALENTED. I AM WAY MORE SOUTHERN THAN YOU COULD HOPE TO BE, SO STOP MAKING US LOOK BAD AND STUPID!. AND GET OFF HER DICK - WIDEN YOUR WORLD... I LIKE CHEESE GRITS - FEEL ME!!!
@fringebitch Actually...Robbie's version said "Stoneman", as in George Stoneman. The one who tore up the rails. Not stonewall jackson. She changed the lyrics.
@greatestxgift hey, i knew that actually. but i never said levon wrote the song i only said he has the right to sing it, and robertson IS in fact a canadian. so he is neutral. joan baez is a left-wing yankee hippie loud mouth who can't even get the words right in the song. somehow, i feel she said stonewall on purpose to sorta demonize the south. purposeful or accidental, she is an idiot.
@boomhauer15 I just wanted to let you know someone else agrees with you. It is very disrespectful to the Band and the original meaning of song. To start with she doesn't even deserve to do a cover of this song, much less do a poor version and change the lyrics.
I agree. The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down deserves better than this disgrace. I'm very disappointed at Joan Baez (otherwise one of my favorite singers) for her rather poor rendition and most of all for disrespecting the meaning of the song by singing it in this context.
This is kind of odd song coming from someone who is a left wing commie nutcase who would be cheering knowing that the south had lost in the Civil War.But than again most people would be shocked that the KKK was founded by democrats and Linicoln was a republican.
"till Stonewall's cavalry came"???..........Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson was a Confederate infantry commander not a Yankee cavalry commander. I believe the words she was looking for were Stoneman's cavalry, the correct words.
WRONG !Listen to Levon Helms sing it. Stonwall Jackson was on the side of the south Stoneman (who was on the north's side ) tore up the tracks again.Geez
I never understood why people say that one is better than the other. It's not supposed to be better or worse. It's a different take on a song. Judge it for what it is.
history lecture TRAIN!! STONEMANS the muppets are above all that shite if you do not get it there are more videos, come back in 20 years the muppets will be there will you.
Hey lighten up youse guys! She's not giving a history lecture - it's a song! Sung for kids on a puppet show!! Just sit back and enjoy it just like her target audience did! A great song by a great performer in an atmosphere of fun. Geeeze...
THE NIGHT THEY SIGNED OLD NAMA IN AND ALL THE SINGERS WERE SINGING AND MUPPETS WERE CLINGING, EITHER WAY QUESTIONS HAVE TO BE ASKED AND SONGS ARE SUNG TO REMEMBER,ALL SHIP ASHORE TO BANGALORE;-)
This ballad is suppose to be sung with soul; southern people and their land are the only ones/thing to have had a war in their backyard on such a scale. War is terrible regardless of the time period, just imagine looking out your window and see that shit....Joan Baez sucks shes totally downplaying the importance of this song by 1 getting the f*cking MUPPETS to cover it with her and 2 being a northerner she has no idea where the feeling behind this song lies. Go f*ck yourself Joan Baez
@aea41888 Since the song was written by a Canadian, perhaps your point about her being Northern is a little ridiculous. Also, there's nothing wrong with exposing kids to a little culture. They remember this stuff when they get older, it makes classics endure.
@luckeyeth Well don't you find it just a tab bit biased that Joan changed some of the original lyrics to favor the north and lessen the presence of the south? You should also read my above comment about me not being some crazy racist nutbag, before you jump to conclusions.
Joan changed the lyric "'Til STONEMAN'S cavalry came (referring to George Stoneman, who was a general in the Union army) to "Til STONEWALL"S cavalry came..." (When Stonewall was a southern general)
@aea41888 I don't think you could possibly lessen the presence of the South in this song. The very fact that she's singing a song about a poor white Southerner in the wake of the Civil War says something. Anyway, I think she probably either misspoke or didn't know the correct words. They're very easy mistakes to make, and singing in front of people is a LOT harder than some people think. Singing in front of muppets is probably twice as hard :)
@aea41888 I honestly think you are reading a bit too much into her lyrical mistakes/changes. In her recording of the song (and I think every other live performance I've seen) she says "till SO MUCH cavalry came"...I read on a web page dedicated to the song that she had never seen the lyrics written out and just sang what she herself had heard...same as she doesn't say "by May 10th Richmond had fell" she says "I took a train to Richmond which fell"...Just honest mistakes I think ;)
@luckeyeth sorry couldn't fit it all in. Another lyric she changed the original "There goes Robert E. Lee" (the man) to "There goes THE Robert E. Lee" (which is a boat).
@aea41888 Anyway, I saw what I wrote before, and I'm sorry I called your opinion ridiculous. That sounds far more inflammatory than I intended it to be.
@comradeshow Yes, I was aware of the fact. But Robbie Robertson also studied the history of the American Civil War extensively while visiting the south for the first time. Something I doubt Joan knows anything about was my point. As a history major let it be known that I'm not some crazy southern republican, saying no northerners should sing this song I'm just saying Joan Baez's version is a joke.
@orastreet just noticed that...wow...sure changes the song from Union raiders under Stoneman raiding into the South to Stonewall's Cavalry who of course would not have torn up the rails. Never noticed it before...sure is dishonest...
@TexianPride greed? seriously you are talking about greed ! from the backs of an enslaved people that the Confederacy built your country on - do you have a defense for this because I'd love to hear it - not trying to claim I'm an athourity on American history so If you've got some information I don''t have please share.
@laurieIsabel Yes greed the Union declared war on the Confederacy for one thing, so that the Confederacy would not be allowed to form a seperate nation.
The Union refused to allow the south to do what the Colonys had done nearly a hundred years earlier.
Greed my friend.
The souths economy was massive before the war and brought exported millions of dollars even then.
Somthing the north struggled to accomplish and ofton failed to do.
To say the Union wasnt built on slavery is ignorant.
@PierzStyx Because Stonewalls cavalry would have ripped up the tracks to prevent the Union from using them. Funny thing though, Stonewall was already dead by this point to a confederate picketts bullet.
@finsup7291 Actually, the problem is that she misquoted the song. The original lyrics are "Stoneman's cavalry." StoneMAN was a UNION calvary commander. StoneWALL was a Confederate general. So that is the solution to the quandary several people have posted on. (And yes, Thomas J. Jackson, aka Stonewall, was definitely long dead by the winter of '65).
@finsup7291 Actually, the problem is that she misquoted the song. The original lyrics are "Stoneman's cavalry." StoneMAN was a UNION calvary commander. StoneWALL was a Confederate general. So that is the solution to the quandary several people have posted on. (And yes, Thomas J. Jackson, aka Stonewall, was definitely long dead by the winter of '65).
because this is when people sang about things that didn't have to be politically correct and sang about what they wanted to. today some radical muslim group would ban them for now kneeling on a towel or something. maybe think about when we were free and had rights, unlike today.
stonewall's cavalry? perhaps the most mythically beloved confederate general tore up the tracks to richmond's chief supply line? if you're going to cover a song at least understand the meaning first.
@patjnic Her original version had many mistakes in it-it's supposed to be Stoneman's cavalry but when she first started singing it she thought it was "so much cavalry" as well as a number of other mistakes.
I've always liked her voice, but I have to admit the mistakes bother me, as I've loved history since I was a kid and the song was written with that idea of making you feel what someone of that time would have felt.
I guess I assumed musicians would be better at catching the lyrics right!
@david510152025303540 It would have been a better song if she knew the words. When asked why she had the words wrong she said she'd only heard the song on the radio before she recorded it. Obviously she has no knowledge of the song's meaning.
@RobertGary1 What a bunch of pointless aguments....first of all the SONG was written by a CANADIAN (Robbie Robertson of The Band), and while she admittedly got the words wrong, she's corrected her versions in concert since, but her mistakes don't in anyway detract from the emotion or the sense of history one feels when hearing the song. Joan Baez is partly responsible for the lasting success of the song, having achieved a #3 hit with her cover.
@broadjumper1 No one said the original artist was not Canadian. The point is that the words that she changed *significantly* changed the meaning. "Working the land" is something a common man from the South would do. "I'm a working man" is more Northern (i.e. working for someone, in a factory, etc).
Second, the general she names was not even alive by this time in the war.
BTW: She has never corrected the words; at least in even recent versions of the song she still has the words wrong.
@RobertGary1 - Dude, you're a BRICK. The point is that she made no INTENTIONAL changes to the song and certainly meant no disrepect to it. Members of The BAND never whined about this as much as you are, and why should they? Her version made them millions in royalties and brought the song to even greater success in spite of her errors. Folks like you complain about things just to have something to bitch about.
@broadjumper1 Originally she did it by accident. As I said she'd only heard the song on the radio. Since she didn't really have any interest in the meaning of the song she just sang what words she thought she heard; even if they didn't make sense.
@RobertGary1 - I KNOW she did it by accident. But she's NEVER said she had 'no interest" in it's meaning, that's just your opinion and it's pointless whining. The truth is that she made this song the huge hit it is today and "her verison" only seems to ruin it for you. Funny how no member of The Band ever asked her to make corrections or complained,,,why would they when they have folks like you to do it for 'em... Seriously, get a life.
@broadjumper1 If she had interest in the meaning of the song she would correct her incorrect lyrics to express the meaning. Clearly she just heard the song and felt it would be a good career move to do it.
@RobertGary1 - Why? Because that's YOUR opinion? She has corrected her mistakes in live performances, she's certainly not going to re-record the damn thing now. and you should be glad about that because if she did, you'd have nothing to whine about and split-hairs over. Quite frankly, no one is losing sleep over this, except you.
@broadjumper1 Can you find a performance where she's corrected this? As recently as a couple years ago she did the song live and the lyrics were still wrong. She just an idiot, I don't care. As far as I can tell you are the only one losing sleep over any of this.
@RobertGary1 - I've heard Baez sing the song in concert when I was in the military, sorry I don't have video to placate you in your crusade to fix every error made in singing a song. Apparently you DO care a great deal cause you just can't let this go so on Joan's behalf, I'll beg for YOUR forgiveness for her unmitigated gall in getting lyrics wrong while making the song a HUGE success. It's criminal, really.
Dude are you for REAL?, you're unbelievable...keep tilting at windmills Sancho Panza
RobertGary1, man I've never seen anyone through as big a hissy fit over such an unimportant thing in my life. They're frigging lyrics in a song. dude. So she changed a tiny, miniscule, minor part of it. So what? And another thing. How do you know how Miss Baez felt about the song when she recorded it ? You seem to have amazing insights into this woman. And finally, there were no factories in the south? And another finally..get over yourself, you freak.
@lasktguy Man you are really getting worked up over a song! hehehe. Clearly you are not from the South or you'd like that "I work the land" is much more Southern than "I'm a working man". Check out the chapter in your history book titled "The Industrialized North" for reference.
RobertGary1, actually I see it more as you getting all worked up over a song and me telling you to get over it. I still feel that way. It's a frigging line in a song. Get over it.
@lasktguy You just keep going and going. hahah Can't seem to let it go huh? What are you, the President of the Baez fan club (probably just 3 gay guys in a dark room) hahahah
After some reading, I believe when she first recorded it, she had never seen the written lyrics and made 5 or 6 errors because she sang it as she heard it sung. But in later performances, she sang the song as written.
@clanmcarthur On one recorded version, she pretty clearly sings "someone's cavalry." B55Bennett is wrong, it wasn't deliberate. She just didn't follow the lyrics very well. This is part of the folk tradition, really, and why the lyrics of folk-songs change over time.
it's not stone wall's cavalry ITS STONEMAN the words are all screwed up, but then again it has to be altered so its non 'offensive' for disney probably
@comradeshow She has a great voice, and sings it well, she was just seriously mistaken in a lot of the words. She says she sang it the way she sang it because thats how she heard the words as a child, but who knows, I mean i hear the proper wording and dont get confused....lol.
@sgl49ers02 She wasn't mistaken in the words. She purposely changed them. The Band first released the song in 1969. Baez was long an accomplished singer-songwriter in her own right by then. Definitely not a child. Like comradeshow, my guess is that she altered the lyrics so as not to be singing from the perspective of a Confederate Southerner. Stoneman was a Union general. Stonewall, of course, was a Confederate.
Of course, that doesn't take anything away from her performance. I think the song was an unfortunate selection for this show, anyway. I love the song, and even Richie Havens has covered it, but I don't know why they had her place it on the Muppet show.
Of course Joan is a great singer and does a lovely job. Of course the Muppets are great entertainment. All this is true . It is just that if a great song gets silly incorrect words iit spoils it for me personally and detracts a bit from Joans rendering This is all my personal feeling - can't help it) Keep it coming!
wow all of the above need to lay off the caffiene...
stoneman is correct. i looove joan baez, i think the muppets are hilarious, and the ghandi joke is excellent. it's all good children. quit bein so nerdy & critical..... enjoy life!!
baez messes up the lyrics twice - once on the record with "so much cavalry." then here where she maintains that it was "stonewall's cavalry" that came. also the narrator "took a train to richmond that fell." may 10th? forget it. in fairness, lee evacuated richmond april 2, 1965. i think levon knows that, but 5/10 fits the line better. baez doesn't know that much less care. lastly, as "they should never have taken the very best," that song should never be sung to puppets. period.
So Lee evacuated Richmond the same year that I was born...? Time to stop pointing out other people's mistakes I think...., I'm old, but not THAT old! ;-)
Does it truly matter if the history is wrong or the joke was poor? It was just the muppet humor which many enjoyed and great music too. Sometimes folks get too crutical, just enjoy eh?
Great but poor Joan always gets the history wrong. It was STONEMANS' Cavalry not 'Stonewalls!' Stoneman was a Union cavalry officer, Stonewall was Confederate!
No it means that there is rea pain in the United Staes. Indians, Southerners, African Americans, Northerners, we have all felt pain. Peace roseearches
Fantastic, not only the terrible joke, but done in an accent. The savage right wing PC police have made sure you can't do that nowadays, save someone taking offence.
Hi Slownoman and Edelaigle52! Impressive exchanges between gracious guys - Americans at their best. Am an Aussie poet, novelist, muso etc and an activist from early 70s onwards but respect serviceman. Like this clip btw!
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There is nothing about this video that I like, from her rewriting of the chord progressions to the muppet harmony chorus to the weird faces she makes at the puppets.
Neander you're damn right. Gen. Jackson was dead two years by the time Appomatox came around.
EmeraldTriangle80 1 week ago
Her Voice Is Stunning ;)
BecaSpaceace 1 week ago
Do You People Even Know What The Civil War Was About? Yes It Was About Slavery But The Main Reason Was States Rights
HermonieG1 3 weeks ago
@HermonieG1 Who cares. With 13 Trillion owed and all your companies moved to Mexico and China you need another civil war dude. US is pawned from within.
aeonflux67 3 weeks ago
@aeonflux67 I Didnt Say We Didnt, I Hate Obama So You Dont Even Have To Explain
HermonieG1 3 weeks ago
@HermonieG1 Its not just Obamas fault. Both parties are guilty. They pretend to be pro jobs and pro American but they just sell the country out to anyone and everyone for a buck in their pocket. Beware of all the self serving pollies whose real bosses are the lobbyists outside their office.
aeonflux67 3 weeks ago
@aeonflux67 Im Not Either One Im libertarian And I Want Ron Paul To Win Fk The Other Guys Agreed..
HermonieG1 3 weeks ago
I hate Joan Baez so much.
thegunclub123 1 month ago
I only have one question: Joan Baez- Great Singer, or the Greatest Singer? This version blows but it's a great song, even if it's about the South losing the Civil War. Anyway, it was the 70's and people didn't know what was good or bad. I wish i had 4 hands- so i could give this version 4 THUMBS DOWN!!!!! The milk has gone bad....
WhiteSploitationFavs 1 month ago
@WhiteSploitationFavs Awww, come on. Loosen up, man. It's fun not war anymore.
Joan Baez is THE embogyment of what used to be associated with the Goddess Athena. Jim Henson took and shoved great people down the punters throats. Forcibly. Because it is fun to be fun. This is fun. Have fun. That's the 70ies. Fun, man. Not just shades of brown.
And it if fun to understand stuff even if it turns out to be history. No milk going bad here, boy.
bfandreasyt 4 weeks ago
Joanie hated Dixie. She loved rats and slaves.
BrokenneckYgor 2 months ago
The south's agricultre sustained the Union.
Without the exported goods and money folowing to and from europe and back the US wouldnt be nearly as powerful.
So the Union declared war on the Confederacy, Lincoln refused to let the Union tear in two.
Greed is the reason most wars start, the civil war is no different.
You cant say you are fighting a war to free millions when your ultimate goal is to force millions in to a Union they want no part of at gun point.
TexianPride 3 months ago
The Confederacy despite all its flaws was fighting for independance from a nation it saw tyranical
-again I have to say how tyrannical did your slaves find your Condfederacy"!? are you people insane!
laurieIsabel 3 months ago
@agorlewski I'm sure the Confederacy was just awesome - if you were white.... Hello? anyone!? Slavery? yeah that realy rocked. So sad the confedracy went down...
laurieIsabel 3 months ago
i love the raccoon Muppets in the back ground
NEONKUSH 3 months ago
The Band kicks the crud out of this chick.
BreChristie 3 months ago
@BreChristie This chick?! Do you have any idea who Joan Baez is? Her voice puts The Band in the amateur category.
GINGRRBRDGRL11 1 month ago
Why would stonewall jackson be tearing up railroad tracks?
zhelives 4 months ago 2
It was a shame that Baez mangled the words. I could never understand why she didnt' sing the original lyrics - her corrupted version means nothing.
royalcourtier 4 months ago 2
The Band's version is WAY better imo!
jasonpp1973 4 months ago
This has more views than The Band's performance during the Last Waltz.. Is that strange to anyone?
TheDialogue01 5 months ago
@TheDialogue01 Its because they used to be another version posted, but it was removed. It was up to about 1.8 million views.
baj2235 5 months ago
Not that this version sucks, but...yeah, in comparison it sucks. Actually, let's just not play this version anymore.
SirPsikotic 5 months ago
i hate joan baez. NUMBER ONE, SHE WENT AND SAID IT WAS STONEWALL JACKSON WHO TORE UP THE DANVILLE SUPPLY RAILS!!! NUMBER TWO HER SORRY ASS IS FROM STATEN ISLAND NEW YORK!!!! she has no right to sing that song. levon helm was from arkansas. he has the right. not her pathetic self. and yeah, idc what nobody has to say about this. she can at least get the lyrics right. SOUTHERN BORN AND SOUTHERN BRED BY THE GRACE OF GOD.
boomhauer15 7 months ago
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fringebitch 6 months ago
@boomhauer15 YOU ARE AN IGNORANT LITTLE SHIT - NO MORE SOUTHERN THAN NY! IF YOU WERE SOUTHERN,YOUR MAMA WOULD HAVE TAUGHT YOU MANNERS. WHAT THE FUCK, JOAN JUST SINGS THE SONGS - TAKE THE SONG UP WITH ROBBIE ROBERTSON OF "THE BAND"! YOU WISH YOU WERE AS STRONG AND INFLUENTIAL AS SHE, NOT TO MENTION TALENTED. I AM WAY MORE SOUTHERN THAN YOU COULD HOPE TO BE, SO STOP MAKING US LOOK BAD AND STUPID!. AND GET OFF HER DICK - WIDEN YOUR WORLD... I LIKE CHEESE GRITS - FEEL ME!!!
fringebitch 6 months ago 2
@fringebitch Actually...Robbie's version said "Stoneman", as in George Stoneman. The one who tore up the rails. Not stonewall jackson. She changed the lyrics.
newkdawg3000 6 months ago
@boomhauer15 You do realize Robbie Robertson, a Canadian, wrote this song, right?
greatestxgift 6 months ago
@greatestxgift hey, i knew that actually. but i never said levon wrote the song i only said he has the right to sing it, and robertson IS in fact a canadian. so he is neutral. joan baez is a left-wing yankee hippie loud mouth who can't even get the words right in the song. somehow, i feel she said stonewall on purpose to sorta demonize the south. purposeful or accidental, she is an idiot.
boomhauer15 6 months ago
@boomhauer15 I just wanted to let you know someone else agrees with you. It is very disrespectful to the Band and the original meaning of song. To start with she doesn't even deserve to do a cover of this song, much less do a poor version and change the lyrics.
SDMF26 5 months ago
Thanks for uploading this clip! I had only heard Garcia-related performances of this song before, and it was nice to hear this one, too. Very sweet.
jmrains1 7 months ago
Stoneman was a Northern general. Stonewall was a Southern General. They lyric is Stoneman.
MaryesHeights1862 7 months ago
@MaryesHeights1862 ... and General Stoneman really did tear up the Danville [supply] train.
Cybernalt 7 months ago
beautiful rendition. I love Joan
BijanParandeh 8 months ago in playlist The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down
what singer (f/m) and bands they would invite today? what do you think?
bugsbunny1973 8 months ago
She took all the heart out of this otherwise beautiful song.
shango02005 9 months ago 2
Joan Baez is the least — foursquare, mannered vibrato, no soul, and this is in terrible taste.
johnnieanon 10 months ago 2
@johnnieanon .. Perhaps you need to listen to more of her music - don't judge solely on this mini-made for TV clip.
Cybernalt 7 months ago
@johnnieanon Then don't watch it.
KCTKOC 2 months ago
@johnnieanon
I agree. The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down deserves better than this disgrace. I'm very disappointed at Joan Baez (otherwise one of my favorite singers) for her rather poor rendition and most of all for disrespecting the meaning of the song by singing it in this context.
Bredenarder 2 months ago
What ever happened to judging an artist by their work? All of this other political bs has nothing to do with the woman's talent.
I'm very disappointed in all of these negative posts.
DsNewAccount030311 10 months ago
Release more DVD's, fucking Disney!
stingernick 10 months ago
This is kind of odd song coming from someone who is a left wing commie nutcase who would be cheering knowing that the south had lost in the Civil War.But than again most people would be shocked that the KKK was founded by democrats and Linicoln was a republican.
sportsaddict1942 10 months ago
the rats are yankees.
johnny2johns 10 months ago
"till Stonewall's cavalry came"???..........Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson was a Confederate infantry commander not a Yankee cavalry commander. I believe the words she was looking for were Stoneman's cavalry, the correct words.
neanderpaul14 10 months ago 28
@neanderpaul14 She sang this whole song by just listening to it. She never actually looked at the lyrics, so thats probably why she made the mistake.
savetheblueball 5 months ago in playlist muppets
@savetheblueball most ppl actually say stonewall johnny cash, the black crowes, the list goes on it has been passed down as such
knules2 5 months ago
@neanderpaul14 it's just a song, noe a history lesson. Just enjoy the graet music
Mr1rnzir 5 months ago
@neanderpaul14
Came here to post this. Nice! The lyric refers to Major General George Stoneman of the 1st U.S. Cavalry.
akstev2 3 months ago
@neanderpaul14 You're awesome. I was going to point that out.
BreChristie 3 months ago
WRONG !Listen to Levon Helms sing it. Stonwall Jackson was on the side of the south Stoneman (who was on the north's side ) tore up the tracks again.Geez
kukaburr 11 months ago 5
Joan Baez is he only woman who got hotter as she got older!
afpm7 11 months ago
I never understood why people say that one is better than the other. It's not supposed to be better or worse. It's a different take on a song. Judge it for what it is.
PullSomeTuber 11 months ago
nice. thanks.
kgersemi261 11 months ago
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history lecture TRAIN!! STONEMANS the muppets are above all that shite if you do not get it there are more videos, come back in 20 years the muppets will be there will you.
antony1961pc 11 months ago
when is this?
dangerbirdzuma 1 year ago
Hey lighten up youse guys! She's not giving a history lecture - it's a song! Sung for kids on a puppet show!! Just sit back and enjoy it just like her target audience did! A great song by a great performer in an atmosphere of fun. Geeeze...
thebaldyguy 1 year ago
She needs a history lesson . It wasn't Stonwalls dummy, it was STONEMANS. two diffrent sides. GEEZ.
kukaburr 1 year ago
@kukaburr
Actually it was neither Stomeman nor Stonewall.
It was Sheridan who "tore up the tracks again"...
schusterlehrling 11 months ago 2
touche. but there is a difference between poetic license and being ignorant. you are correct. she is stupid.
ooxcfhxoo 10 months ago
THE NIGHT THEY SIGNED OLD NAMA IN AND ALL THE SINGERS WERE SINGING AND MUPPETS WERE CLINGING, EITHER WAY QUESTIONS HAVE TO BE ASKED AND SONGS ARE SUNG TO REMEMBER,ALL SHIP ASHORE TO BANGALORE;-)
butsy1818 1 year ago
Joan dedicaterd this sonmg to the Klan . Joan loved the old South!
BrokenneckYgor 1 year ago
she knew dylan. she must have known the Band... her version is a joke. take your vibrato and go away
lmiteyone 1 year ago
She sure butchered that one.
GAIS414 1 year ago 2
This ballad is suppose to be sung with soul; southern people and their land are the only ones/thing to have had a war in their backyard on such a scale. War is terrible regardless of the time period, just imagine looking out your window and see that shit....Joan Baez sucks shes totally downplaying the importance of this song by 1 getting the f*cking MUPPETS to cover it with her and 2 being a northerner she has no idea where the feeling behind this song lies. Go f*ck yourself Joan Baez
aea41888 1 year ago
@aea41888 Fuck you, she sings it good, not good as the original, but go fuck yourself, she sings it well....
ddsddsddsddsddsd1996 1 year ago
@ddsddsddsddsddsd1996 your a moron, go play on the freeway...
aea41888 1 year ago
@aea41888 Since the song was written by a Canadian, perhaps your point about her being Northern is a little ridiculous. Also, there's nothing wrong with exposing kids to a little culture. They remember this stuff when they get older, it makes classics endure.
luckeyeth 1 year ago
@luckeyeth Well don't you find it just a tab bit biased that Joan changed some of the original lyrics to favor the north and lessen the presence of the south? You should also read my above comment about me not being some crazy racist nutbag, before you jump to conclusions.
Joan changed the lyric "'Til STONEMAN'S cavalry came (referring to George Stoneman, who was a general in the Union army) to "Til STONEWALL"S cavalry came..." (When Stonewall was a southern general)
aea41888 1 year ago
@aea41888 I don't think you could possibly lessen the presence of the South in this song. The very fact that she's singing a song about a poor white Southerner in the wake of the Civil War says something. Anyway, I think she probably either misspoke or didn't know the correct words. They're very easy mistakes to make, and singing in front of people is a LOT harder than some people think. Singing in front of muppets is probably twice as hard :)
luckeyeth 1 year ago
@aea41888 I honestly think you are reading a bit too much into her lyrical mistakes/changes. In her recording of the song (and I think every other live performance I've seen) she says "till SO MUCH cavalry came"...I read on a web page dedicated to the song that she had never seen the lyrics written out and just sang what she herself had heard...same as she doesn't say "by May 10th Richmond had fell" she says "I took a train to Richmond which fell"...Just honest mistakes I think ;)
virago2 1 year ago
@luckeyeth sorry couldn't fit it all in. Another lyric she changed the original "There goes Robert E. Lee" (the man) to "There goes THE Robert E. Lee" (which is a boat).
aea41888 1 year ago
@aea41888 Anyway, I saw what I wrote before, and I'm sorry I called your opinion ridiculous. That sounds far more inflammatory than I intended it to be.
luckeyeth 1 year ago
@aea41888 No it was a TRAIN!!
kukaburr 1 year ago
@aea41888 im a civil war reenactor, and grew up in the south, but in all honesty i think its best you know a Canadian wrote the song :P
comradeshow 1 year ago
@comradeshow Yes, I was aware of the fact. But Robbie Robertson also studied the history of the American Civil War extensively while visiting the south for the first time. Something I doubt Joan knows anything about was my point. As a history major let it be known that I'm not some crazy southern republican, saying no northerners should sing this song I'm just saying Joan Baez's version is a joke.
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aea41888 1 year ago
originally , Levon Helm sings it better
k3304 1 year ago
Did she say "Stonewall's Calvary"? Does anyone pay attention to details?
orastreet 1 year ago 2
@orastreet just noticed that...wow...sure changes the song from Union raiders under Stoneman raiding into the South to Stonewall's Cavalry who of course would not have torn up the rails. Never noticed it before...sure is dishonest...
rallytocleburne 1 year ago
@orastreet She’s playing the wrong chords too.
GiacomoJimmi 1 year ago
I never knew that the Muppets lamented the fall of the glorious Confedere-cah!
agorlewski 1 year ago
@agorlewski Everyone with a heart would mourn the loss of the Confederacy.
The Confederacy despite all its flaws was fighting for independance from a nation it saw tyranical
When the Confederacy died everything the Founding fathers of america hoped for died with it.
The Union had drew the blood of its brothers out of greed.
The day the Confederacy fell was the day the Union ceased to be free.
The Union lost its innocence you could say when they forced millions to join the Union at gun point
TexianPride 3 months ago
@TexianPride greed? seriously you are talking about greed ! from the backs of an enslaved people that the Confederacy built your country on - do you have a defense for this because I'd love to hear it - not trying to claim I'm an athourity on American history so If you've got some information I don''t have please share.
laurieIsabel 3 months ago
@laurieIsabel Yes greed the Union declared war on the Confederacy for one thing, so that the Confederacy would not be allowed to form a seperate nation.
The Union refused to allow the south to do what the Colonys had done nearly a hundred years earlier.
Greed my friend.
The souths economy was massive before the war and brought exported millions of dollars even then.
Somthing the north struggled to accomplish and ofton failed to do.
To say the Union wasnt built on slavery is ignorant.
TexianPride 3 months ago
It would be great to remove that image of the worthless Disney Rat from Videos.
Kerethuk 1 year ago 22
Joan Baez smoked a lot of dope....
jwstorey911 1 year ago 2
Im so confused by this video.........how does one connect the civil war to the muppets?
TheCynicalObserver 1 year ago
@TheCynicalObserver Same way you'd connect Star Wars or anything else.
SonichuFan4Ever 1 year ago
@TheCynicalObserver The Muppet Show had lots of acts singing their songs, John Denver, Johnny Cash, etc.
Cobe1976 1 year ago
Why "Stonewall's" cavalry? This whole song is about the fall of the Confederacy. Stonewall's cavalry would not have been a problem.
PierzStyx 1 year ago
@PierzStyx Because Stonewalls cavalry would have ripped up the tracks to prevent the Union from using them. Funny thing though, Stonewall was already dead by this point to a confederate picketts bullet.
finsup7291 1 year ago
@finsup7291 Actually, the problem is that she misquoted the song. The original lyrics are "Stoneman's cavalry." StoneMAN was a UNION calvary commander. StoneWALL was a Confederate general. So that is the solution to the quandary several people have posted on. (And yes, Thomas J. Jackson, aka Stonewall, was definitely long dead by the winter of '65).
AnaxagorasJr 1 year ago 3
@AnaxagorasJr Exactly.
PierzStyx 1 year ago
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@finsup7291 Actually, the problem is that she misquoted the song. The original lyrics are "Stoneman's cavalry." StoneMAN was a UNION calvary commander. StoneWALL was a Confederate general. So that is the solution to the quandary several people have posted on. (And yes, Thomas J. Jackson, aka Stonewall, was definitely long dead by the winter of '65).
AnaxagorasJr 1 year ago
because this is when people sang about things that didn't have to be politically correct and sang about what they wanted to. today some radical muslim group would ban them for now kneeling on a towel or something. maybe think about when we were free and had rights, unlike today.
elrampo 1 year ago
why would the muppets sing this song..? the night they drove dixie down ?
stymye 1 year ago
joan baez is a fn leach..
not one good song did she ever write, she made shit of every song she touched, sang badly with bob dylan.. alot.. and made cheese out of gold.
like this song.
i mean if she was going to go on tv and butcher a song.. maybe she should do one of her own!
nigusberries 1 year ago
she really butchered the words for this song
87orsa 1 year ago
Do the rats represent negroes?
Subbbba 1 year ago
@Subbbba I think they are meant to symbolize an unwanted intrusion. Kinda like your dumb fucking statement.
kady7869 1 year ago
I like Beauregard playing the harmonica here.
sserpent21 1 year ago
"So that is what happens when you take Gandi from a baby."
TamarZucker 1 year ago
stonewall's cavalry? perhaps the most mythically beloved confederate general tore up the tracks to richmond's chief supply line? if you're going to cover a song at least understand the meaning first.
patjnic 1 year ago
@patjnic That would be Stoneman's Cavalry. Stoneman was a yankee. Look it up.
berkshiredawg 1 year ago
@patjnic Who gives a fuck about confederate generals, though? I'll take the song over some buttfucking inbred son o'bitch any day, fuckah.
seyormi 1 year ago
@patjnic Her original version had many mistakes in it-it's supposed to be Stoneman's cavalry but when she first started singing it she thought it was "so much cavalry" as well as a number of other mistakes.
I've always liked her voice, but I have to admit the mistakes bother me, as I've loved history since I was a kid and the song was written with that idea of making you feel what someone of that time would have felt.
I guess I assumed musicians would be better at catching the lyrics right!
RogCBrand 1 year ago
RACIST! (just being a sarcastic douche) That's the shit I mostly here these days about anything. The subject is taboo.
jackdoldseven 1 year ago
THIS ACTUALLY THE ONE SONG THAT I remember. She sounds great.
david510152025303540 1 year ago
@david510152025303540 It would have been a better song if she knew the words. When asked why she had the words wrong she said she'd only heard the song on the radio before she recorded it. Obviously she has no knowledge of the song's meaning.
RobertGary1 1 year ago
@RobertGary1 What a bunch of pointless aguments....first of all the SONG was written by a CANADIAN (Robbie Robertson of The Band), and while she admittedly got the words wrong, she's corrected her versions in concert since, but her mistakes don't in anyway detract from the emotion or the sense of history one feels when hearing the song. Joan Baez is partly responsible for the lasting success of the song, having achieved a #3 hit with her cover.
broadjumper1 1 year ago
@broadjumper1 No one said the original artist was not Canadian. The point is that the words that she changed *significantly* changed the meaning. "Working the land" is something a common man from the South would do. "I'm a working man" is more Northern (i.e. working for someone, in a factory, etc).
Second, the general she names was not even alive by this time in the war.
BTW: She has never corrected the words; at least in even recent versions of the song she still has the words wrong.
RobertGary1 1 year ago
@RobertGary1 - Dude, you're a BRICK. The point is that she made no INTENTIONAL changes to the song and certainly meant no disrepect to it. Members of The BAND never whined about this as much as you are, and why should they? Her version made them millions in royalties and brought the song to even greater success in spite of her errors. Folks like you complain about things just to have something to bitch about.
broadjumper1 1 year ago
@broadjumper1 Originally she did it by accident. As I said she'd only heard the song on the radio. Since she didn't really have any interest in the meaning of the song she just sang what words she thought she heard; even if they didn't make sense.
RobertGary1 1 year ago
@RobertGary1 - I KNOW she did it by accident. But she's NEVER said she had 'no interest" in it's meaning, that's just your opinion and it's pointless whining. The truth is that she made this song the huge hit it is today and "her verison" only seems to ruin it for you. Funny how no member of The Band ever asked her to make corrections or complained,,,why would they when they have folks like you to do it for 'em... Seriously, get a life.
broadjumper1 1 year ago
@broadjumper1 If she had interest in the meaning of the song she would correct her incorrect lyrics to express the meaning. Clearly she just heard the song and felt it would be a good career move to do it.
RobertGary1 1 year ago
@RobertGary1 - Why? Because that's YOUR opinion? She has corrected her mistakes in live performances, she's certainly not going to re-record the damn thing now. and you should be glad about that because if she did, you'd have nothing to whine about and split-hairs over. Quite frankly, no one is losing sleep over this, except you.
broadjumper1 1 year ago
@broadjumper1 Can you find a performance where she's corrected this? As recently as a couple years ago she did the song live and the lyrics were still wrong. She just an idiot, I don't care. As far as I can tell you are the only one losing sleep over any of this.
RobertGary1 1 year ago
@RobertGary1 - I've heard Baez sing the song in concert when I was in the military, sorry I don't have video to placate you in your crusade to fix every error made in singing a song. Apparently you DO care a great deal cause you just can't let this go so on Joan's behalf, I'll beg for YOUR forgiveness for her unmitigated gall in getting lyrics wrong while making the song a HUGE success. It's criminal, really.
Dude are you for REAL?, you're unbelievable...keep tilting at windmills Sancho Panza
broadjumper1 1 year ago
RobertGary1, man I've never seen anyone through as big a hissy fit over such an unimportant thing in my life. They're frigging lyrics in a song. dude. So she changed a tiny, miniscule, minor part of it. So what? And another thing. How do you know how Miss Baez felt about the song when she recorded it ? You seem to have amazing insights into this woman. And finally, there were no factories in the south? And another finally..get over yourself, you freak.
lasktguy 1 year ago
@lasktguy Man you are really getting worked up over a song! hehehe. Clearly you are not from the South or you'd like that "I work the land" is much more Southern than "I'm a working man". Check out the chapter in your history book titled "The Industrialized North" for reference.
RobertGary1 1 year ago
RobertGary1, actually I see it more as you getting all worked up over a song and me telling you to get over it. I still feel that way. It's a frigging line in a song. Get over it.
lasktguy 1 year ago
@lasktguy Hahah, can't let it go can you? hahah
RobertGary1 1 year ago
RobertGary1, likewise with you Gary. Yuck ycuk yuck.
lasktguy 1 year ago
@lasktguy Still goiing??? hahahah
RobertGary1 1 year ago
RobertGary1, still answering me??? hahaha
lasktguy 1 year ago
@lasktguy You just keep going and going. hahah Can't seem to let it go huh? What are you, the President of the Baez fan club (probably just 3 gay guys in a dark room) hahahah
RobertGary1 1 year ago
After some reading, I believe when she first recorded it, she had never seen the written lyrics and made 5 or 6 errors because she sang it as she heard it sung. But in later performances, she sang the song as written.
clanmcarthur 1 year ago
Why does she say "Stonewall's" Calvary Came? It's "Stoneman's" Calvary!!!
clanmcarthur 1 year ago
@clanmcarthur On one recorded version, she pretty clearly sings "someone's cavalry." B55Bennett is wrong, it wasn't deliberate. She just didn't follow the lyrics very well. This is part of the folk tradition, really, and why the lyrics of folk-songs change over time.
WillInNewHaven 1 year ago
Man, i can sing this a BILIION times better than her! She dosn't even have soul in this song
obsleep 1 year ago
it's not stone wall's cavalry ITS STONEMAN the words are all screwed up, but then again it has to be altered so its non 'offensive' for disney probably
comradeshow 1 year ago 2
@comradeshow She has a great voice, and sings it well, she was just seriously mistaken in a lot of the words. She says she sang it the way she sang it because thats how she heard the words as a child, but who knows, I mean i hear the proper wording and dont get confused....lol.
sgl49ers02 1 year ago
@sgl49ers02 She wasn't mistaken in the words. She purposely changed them. The Band first released the song in 1969. Baez was long an accomplished singer-songwriter in her own right by then. Definitely not a child. Like comradeshow, my guess is that she altered the lyrics so as not to be singing from the perspective of a Confederate Southerner. Stoneman was a Union general. Stonewall, of course, was a Confederate.
B55Bennett 1 year ago
Of course, that doesn't take anything away from her performance. I think the song was an unfortunate selection for this show, anyway. I love the song, and even Richie Havens has covered it, but I don't know why they had her place it on the Muppet show.
B55Bennett 1 year ago
why are they changin the words
sxegregor 1 year ago
Till STONEWALL'S cavalry came? BLASPHEMY!
zosotc 1 year ago
clearly, joan baez is the biggest muppet of them all :-)
ingateman 1 year ago
apparently she never saw the lyrics written out, she just sang by ear.
And she screwed it up in several places.
Its "By May the tenth", not "I took a train".
4fitter27 1 year ago
thnx so much for posting this!!! I remember this from back when it was aired. I absolutely love Joan, but also absolutely looooove The Muppets!
DutchHeartMonger1 1 year ago
STONEWALL's cavalry ??? Joan, I love your voice, but you desperately need a history lesson!
parrotlegal 1 year ago 2
the band is better at this one, Joan, sorry.
davidgwynne1 1 year ago
i Love you Joan Love you always
Rex7980 1 year ago
One of the most beautiful women ever!!!
BlindBoyGrunt09 1 year ago
I dont know bout that
EUROEMOGUY1998 1 year ago
Of course Joan is a great singer and does a lovely job. Of course the Muppets are great entertainment. All this is true . It is just that if a great song gets silly incorrect words iit spoils it for me personally and detracts a bit from Joans rendering This is all my personal feeling - can't help it) Keep it coming!
nitwit2008 1 year ago 2
wow all of the above need to lay off the caffiene...
stoneman is correct. i looove joan baez, i think the muppets are hilarious, and the ghandi joke is excellent. it's all good children. quit bein so nerdy & critical..... enjoy life!!
mrebelm 1 year ago
baez messes up the lyrics twice - once on the record with "so much cavalry." then here where she maintains that it was "stonewall's cavalry" that came. also the narrator "took a train to richmond that fell." may 10th? forget it. in fairness, lee evacuated richmond april 2, 1965. i think levon knows that, but 5/10 fits the line better. baez doesn't know that much less care. lastly, as "they should never have taken the very best," that song should never be sung to puppets. period.
patcshea 1 year ago
So Lee evacuated Richmond the same year that I was born...? Time to stop pointing out other people's mistakes I think...., I'm old, but not THAT old! ;-)
velvetunderpants44 1 year ago
s/ b lee evacuated richmond 4/2/1865. get it right if you're going to criticize other peoples' alleged facts
patcshea 1 year ago
The band version (the original writers of the song) has the correct history.
zedwardson 1 year ago
Does it truly matter if the history is wrong or the joke was poor? It was just the muppet humor which many enjoyed and great music too. Sometimes folks get too crutical, just enjoy eh?
MorriganSteel 1 year ago
Great but poor Joan always gets the history wrong. It was STONEMANS' Cavalry not 'Stonewalls!' Stoneman was a Union cavalry officer, Stonewall was Confederate!
nitwit2008 1 year ago
In addition by this point in the War Stonewall Jackson was dead for two years.
davidwpa67 1 year ago
I am Indian...does this mean Joan Baez hates me???
rosearches 1 year ago
No it means that there is rea pain in the United Staes. Indians, Southerners, African Americans, Northerners, we have all felt pain. Peace roseearches
mizzoulibertarian 1 year ago
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this was a low for joan, a huge low
arru23 2 years ago
@arru23: Why a low? isn´t it funny is it?
Troy21071989 2 years ago
"The night miss Piggy drove ol'Dixie down!"
wolfstyle68 2 years ago 9
so true
sirlyfranks 2 years ago
@wolfstyle68 How about:
"The night they drove miss piggy down, 'cause they needed some bacon.
The night they drove miss piggy down, 'cause their tummies were achin'.
They went yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum yum."
mia217 1 year ago 55
@mia217 Have you seen Miss Piggy fight?!? Good luck with that one......
baritonebynight 1 year ago
@mia217 I will never be able to listen to this song again without hearing this in my head.
freedomchips 7 months ago
Fantastic, not only the terrible joke, but done in an accent. The savage right wing PC police have made sure you can't do that nowadays, save someone taking offence.
sugarydonkey 2 years ago
@sugarydonkey
I think you mean left wing pc police...90 % of republicans are white and therefore wouldn't give a crap about hindu jokes.
bunkslunk 2 years ago
Hi Slownoman and Edelaigle52! Impressive exchanges between gracious guys - Americans at their best. Am an Aussie poet, novelist, muso etc and an activist from early 70s onwards but respect serviceman. Like this clip btw!
peterjwz 2 years ago
she sung it wrong she said stonewalls calvery and it was stonemans calvery why would stonewall tear up his own supply tracks
stud915 2 years ago 2
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There is nothing about this video that I like, from her rewriting of the chord progressions to the muppet harmony chorus to the weird faces she makes at the puppets.
turoniner 2 years ago
Yeah, but keep in mind it is mainly for little ones/ kids, so the focus is on them, not on adults.
ShockRockRecords 2 years ago 3
Ah, touche.
turoniner 2 years ago
Congratulations!
DeGroteKilte 2 years ago
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edelaigle52 2 years ago
And another confederate moron inflates an innocent Sesame Street lyric error into "the war of northern aggression". Asshole.
slownoman 2 years ago
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edelaigle52 2 years ago
Cuntfederate shithead- I can smell the crackers from here. Blow a goat.
slownoman 2 years ago
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