Just hilarious to see how frightened and paranoid the British/Western media made people, making the Soviets out to be the big Red boogy man in order to gain hatred towards the East.
morning clive .....have we got everey thing in place ....? we just had central command on the phone sayin londons been hit .what shall we do ........FUCK ALL THAT CLIVE WHERE THE FUCK IS MY XBOX ......?
But who would have the time to see them anyway after a nuclear war nobody. At the end of this drama what's left of the population completely looses the power of proper converstation or intelligence thus symbolising the collapse of society; this fact I found that the most chilling thing of all except of course that is to say, the intiial effects of the explosions themselves. A whole new generation now retarded no better than dumb animals brought me to tears at the end.
I think that scene where you had those paintings being taken down in that gallery was all part of the government 's plan of deception to the public. The plan was to convence the general public that a nuclear war would just of been like WW2 and not the utter anniliation that it would be. Most of general public in their view, would not be able to conceive of such destruction, and so the WW2 story was as good as any lie, which would maintain public order and moral up to the very end.
"The evidence all points to two major explosions in northern Iran on... The British Gov.... station in... recorded just before half one and again at two o clock our time ... divided in the range of 100 kilotons, several times higher than the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The French newsagency.... Baghdad, a bright light... uncomfirmed reports from Islamabad to London this morning suggest... radioactive debris may have fallen on parts of western Pakistan"
David Cameron's Defense policy, a seat for himself, his family and other Conservative and Lib Dem big wigs and their families on a requisitioned British Airways Boeing 777 departing London Heathrow destination Bermuda, before the first Iranian ten kiloton yield range nuke detonates over London. Put the Nimrod MRA4 in to service, keep the Harrier GR9 in service and kick Cameron out of 10 Downing Street.
So really, forgive me for not including The Silent Generation, or The Lost Generation when I complain about the policies leading up to the race for bomb. And no, the arms race didn't scare the Soviet union into submission. Does anybody here really think for one second Gorbachev or whomever quivered in his shoes and backed down because of all our bombs? No! Christ, one side could've taken out every target of their opponent and still not survive the ensuing aftermath.
In the next discussion Truman will be praised by right wingers for using the bomb to save all the lives it would've taken to conquer Imperial Japan. Give me a break.
And actually, who are we kidding, if it won't be the bombs as we know them, it'll be something far worse. The powers that be can't perpetually keep the technology away from the said rogue states; it's too bad it was done before the genie was out of the bottle rather than after it was created at all (the allies won already and everyone knew it).
Take a logic class, conservatives and members of the "Greatest Generation" which to me entailed the govt. during the war. And yes, I'm aware that Jimmy Carter was actually in the Navy Nuclear Power Program.
The inevitable nuclear disaster I'm referring to, spaz(es?), is a nuclear power plant; the most vocal critics of the usage of those aren't anywhere near the right.
@Professor6871 Agreed Glasnoist and Perastroika the economic and social reforms saved us or at least removed the pressure cap on the events that were likely to end in both sides having the almighty scrap..
The things they say on tv, phones disconnected, everything...that would make me get the hell out of there. Its like saying: 'There is going to be a nuclear war, the world will be distroyed and even if you survive you will be loaded with radiation. But dont panic and stay at your home'. So they stayed. o.O
@livkivi I suppose all those dead bodies would of made the streets look so dirty for the chosen elite who had survived the holocaust, as they finally emerged from their nuclear bunkers.
i have been studying nuclear war for abut 2 years. "Stay in your home" is the worst advice I have heard. It provides little in radiation protection, easily ignites, and is most likely close enough to a major city to be destroyed.
Master plan by the communists to have a general strike as it might just have worked back then. In the 80's the unions, CND and the Labour Party were all in the pocket of the KGB. Would Moscow have wanted to have wasted all that money on so many 'useful idiots' just to see them go up in smoke. Remember Kinnock around this time consulted Moscow about scrapping trident if he had won the 87 election.
@hkpho0ey Well we know that some trade unionists and Labour MPs visited Moscow regularly in the 1980s. And that some of them must have bee infultrated by the KGB. MI5 or MI6 documents, when opened after the 30 year rule, will show this to been true.
@Professor6871 Including Neil Kinnock who laughably consulted Moscow about future Labour government defence policy. However I wonder if we will ever know the real truth about the former PM, Harold Wilson. KGB later confirmed he was a Russian spy and MI5 says he wasn't. Their is an interesting article which the ex Labour minister Gerald Kaufman did couple of years ago for the Spectator magazine. About when he was approached in Moscow by the KGB.
@Professor6871 Not quite as NATO never made any attempt at competing in conventional forces with the Soviet Union. So the chances of USSR winning a purely conventional war was zero as NATO would have gone nuclear long before that happended. So their only option was to fund 'sympathetic' organisations like trade unions, miners strike to cause unrest. Whilst at the same time funding CND, the antiwar movement and Greenham Common to try and force Europeans governments to expel US troops.
At 4:36 that loo they were going to have down there looked like a big pottey. I don't think I'd of wanted to have stayed down for there for a month with just that too do your buiness in.
The best line from the whole drama here : 'Where's the emergency committee?...bloody councillors, well they're not getting paid for this.' An all time classic line there.
Well, you have to admit: special effects artists in the UK do not have the restrictions that we have here in the USA! And the producers there in Great Britain are going to take full advantage of that!
Read about Switzerland's nuclear bunkers; they built bunkers all over the country for civilians and in every home. The British government could easily afford to build vital bunkers, but decided it would be more cost-effective to let people die.
Even the Soviets apparently had some civilian shelters, what does that say about Britain's ruling class?
It was those of a conservative ilk and the "Greatest Generation" who are liable for the ultimate moronity of nuclear war, which is an inevitability that should be accounted for in advance, in our lifetimes.
The Brits, on their little rubber duckey of an island, understand the reality. Watch Damnation Alley for the American fantasy of stores to loot and Swedish songbirds to pick up.
As stupid as you might think the liberals are, they would never be responsible for the moronic ultimacy of nuclear war.
This film, along with a few others I've seen from the UK, illustrates just how vulnerable they were/are on their quaint little isle. Contrast this with the made-for-tv-movie Damnation Alley, which may still be found on You Tube, and you'll notice how Amercans expect a life after Doomsday, complete with surviving Swedish songbirds to seduce and stores to loot.
The liberals aren't responsible for the ultimate moronity of nuclear war.
Nuclear disaster is inevitable, and it's only the degree of frequency and intensity that remains questionable; thank you conservatives and members of the "greatest generation."
Watch the American tv movie Damnation alley, it illustrates how Americans fantasize surviving nuclear war, driving across the US, and finding, in Vegas, a surviving Swedish songbird to mate with.
do you mean "conservatives" like Harry Truman? Wait he was a LIBERAL! Just like FDR who approved the development of the weapon and Woodrow Wilson who put American on the track of making "the world safe for democracy"
yet ANOTHER liberal as well.
Just another democrat liberal nutlicker who doesn't know history.
@mongoose704 I think you are confusing things a bit. Truman, Wilson and FDR were indeed all Democrats. But the Democratic party of their time was not like the Democratic party we have now.
The Democratic party of Wilson, FDR, Truman, and Kennedy believed in American exceptionalism. They fostered a confidence and optimism about America and what we could do.
The Democrats of today are nothing like them. They are practically communist by another name.
@BrendaQG The Democratic party still supports our wars. Afghanistan, Iraq, Gulf War One...
our Democratically controlled Congress and Democratic president escalated the conflict in Afghanistan just this year. They pushing for action against Iran and are acting against Pakistan.
Like our so called republicans that TALK fiscal responsibility to get conservative votes, Democrats TALK PEACE to get the anti war vote and have been betraying them ever since the seventies.
And that so-called optimism about American Exceptionalism and what we could do ended in the failed Korean War (which we are still paying for) and the catastrophic Vietnam War and the failed Great Society. A collapse of our military and economic might that would not be restored for years. And would continue with them under the neocons. And we will pay for years for the guns and butter of the 2000s
@mongoose704 The Korean war was not a failure. Our objective was to protect the freedom of the South.
The Vietnam war was a failure because their we failed to protect the freedom of millions. They paid the price, as did the people of Cambodia when Pol Pot's brand of communism spread to that country.
As for the rest of what you said what the hell ever.
We failed to topple North Korea and are still there wasting lives and money when they would be unified without our intervention equals failure to most with a brain. Vietnam cost millions of lives, billions of dollars all without accomplishing the objective equals failure to anyone with a conscience. German errr "American Exceptionalism" destroyed our economy from the sixites to 1981 equals Five Star Fail For You.
@yourdeadhusband: "The liberals aren't responsible for the ultimate moronity of nuclear war.........Watch the American tv movie Damnation alley, it illustrates how Americans fantasize surviving nuclear war, driving across the US, and finding, in Vegas, a surviving Swedish songbird to mate with."
Well, couldn't agree with absolutely everything you said, but yeah, we can see eye-to-eye on this, though.
@Guynumber7 But if your sandal, LSD new age hippy, yogot knitter and waster that's the only thing you know. As least a nuclear war would get rid of them over night.
if i wanted your opinion micho i would ask so you know my keyboard doesn't work right had to replace it so keep your opinions to yourself opinions are like assholes we all got one
the british government had emergency powers for war and they had it set for local government officals such as chief executive of sheffield district to be a wartime controller now how many classes does it take to be prepared for a full scale nuclear war then find out 4 eeks later that here dead go figure
@pizzaman147 Yes we know because its says all this in docu drama. Putting local officials down underneath a crappy basement, that was supposed them from nuclear attack, while you've got loads of concrete over thier heads that will fall on top of them was really an act of genius. Its interesting that the top councellors who were supposed to be there weren't. I know about public sector cut backs but that's taking it too far.
@Professor6871 Thats just pure freaking genius that...... The Americans have secluded Bunkers we shove all our guys in or over ground zero in a building that can fall over and obstruct the way out because in the 80s we were pure fucking idiots where this episode of history i.e the Cold War was concerned... Europe=frontline yet we all act like fucktards. lol
thats what i said he didnt push the button the idiots did who took the technology and buitlt the bombs that hat isaid the exact words and srtill ther's yer sign
The scariest part about this clip was the government advising everyone to stay home, while the fire trucks were moving out of the city. Less bellies to feed after the war.
@BurkeHare1 How right you are? A creed that has stopped mankind for many years from progressing. The greatest lie that has ever been made in the history of the world.
@Commentarian1 But you've created him in the first place so how do you know that God exists other than what you say and what you believe in. I believe in fairies am I wrong?
Albert EInstein was not responsible for the atomic bomb, in fact he was a pacifist...he was a scientist who developed certain basic theories about the universe, if it had not been him someone else would have eventually. Was the unknown discoverer of fire also "responsible" for the good and the bad? (heat and light vs. house fires)
8:10 - 8:22. Realisation that things might actually be getting serious. I love those moments, when people pack in the joking and their facade cracks. They start getting worried that something might be about to happen to them, not just some 'nobody' in a third-world country.
Good film this - British stuff tends to be a little more realistic then American crap, to say the least. Although even this film is now outdated - basically there would be barely any life whatsoever after a bomb like this, never mind folk staggering about - also, there is no mention of foreign aid/follow up so a bit of artistic licence anyway - top film though.
what exactly is your frame of reference? have you lived through a nuclear incident? 'american crap'? right, theres no 'crap' coming out of brit cinema.
Profiting off the fear of the impending war. How are you going to get your food from your tinned stock of provisions if you can't get the tin open? That's why he was selling them for an inflated sum. I think Americans refer to it as "price gouging".
Well, I currently live in Parkersburg, West Virginia, but before that I spent most of my life in San Diego and when I was little we lived in Park Forest, Illinois...that would have been in the early Seventies...honestly, I don't think I (or most people my age) have ever even seen a glass milk bottle.
Oh, I live in England, Near a spa town called Buxton. Most people have their milk delivered around here. The glass bottles are nice, but birds sometimes pick the foil lids off to drink the milk, namely bluetits...
WVR, it may not have been common for Americans of our age group (those in their teens in the 1970's through the mid - 1980's) but I recall milkmen and milk bottles well. I grew up in Manchester, England and we had them even when I moved away to London when I turned 20. In my sister's neighbourhood in Sydney, they still have home milk delivery.
That's sad, you need to travel - New Zealand has plenty of fresh milk and cream, Australia too... glass bottles... and you need to learn how to spot the difference...
at the end of the day...and i guess this would be the end of days...america or russia...right wing vs ;left wing....islam vs christianity..does it matter? We as humans live everyday allowing it...so shouldnt we humans aceept some blame?
This is set in 1984 but it looks like this town is still stuck around 1970-ish. Still using old trucks and delivering milk? The TVs look fairly primitive for the 1980's.
Yeah I checked, the calendar dates they give in the movie match 1983. It was filmed in late '83 and early '84, it first aired in the UK on September 23, 1984 as a Sunday night movie then made its way to the US on cable TV later in the 80's.
@RJY4356 Thanks for finding that out. I remember when this was first shown but not the actual date when it was first transmitted. It must of been the weekend because as kids it was the sole matter of conversation on the Monday at school, that of this drama. I think they also broadcast for the first time then, on British TV, 'The Wargame' that was made in 1965, which previously had only been shown in UK cinemas and not on British TV.
The music at 5:50 is sooo creepy. And what the hell good are a few fire trucks going to do? It's about as effective as " duck and cover". Totally ridiculous.
It's from a series of UK gov't public information films from the early 80s called Protect And Survive, telling people what to do in the event of nuclear war. And yes, their advice was about as useful as 'duck and cover'.
Former children's presenter in the 1970s. Like a lot of presenters from that time, she spoke very clearly and precisely, real received pronounciation stuff.
@ChokingHorror There used to be a department within the Beeb, I don't know if its still there today, which was devolted too precise or correct pronunciation of words. It was a resource that BBC TV news jounalists used quite alot. If your reading from an auto que in news studio you have too pronunce words properly or you sound silly.
Wokers of the world unite! We can stop nuclear war! *sees mushroom cloud off in the distance* "fuck it, lets loot like there's no tomorrow." scary thing is this is probably close to what would have happened.
@sludgefingers yeah very stupid but mind you when Ken Liverstone was head of the old London County Council, in the 80s, he tried to make London a nuclear free zone. I mean the Russians would of taken notice of that wouldn't they and not attacked.
Why would Ruth and her boyfriend be listening to that depressing public information programme while stripping the old wall paper in their new flat; instead would they've been listening to some pop music so they could escape from all that bad news? I would if I was in their situation and nuclear war seemed like it was going too happen any minute.
Apparently if a situation like this ever happened and war was expected, normal broadcasting would have stopped and the 'Wartime Broadcasting Service' would have replaced it. This would have been a single channel dedicated to information and scary public information films! Not much else to listen to!
Yeah but this drama was made in 1984 when there was only few channels TVcand radio channels. Today there's so many that at least some normal broadcasting would carry on.
That's a very good point, Turner. Makes you wonder how such a crisis would play out nowadays! 'Protect and Survive' on one channel and MTV on another ! :-) With so many TV channels now, I wonder if it would make people more oblivious? Upon seeing any disturbing news or government broadcast, they could just switch over and forget it. Or would the government take over the whole of sky broadcasting?...
Turner, if Ruth and her bloke were listening to an ordinary transistor set, I would imagine government emergency broadcasting would already have taken over all networks/stations. They'd have no choice but to have heard them, or simply kept listening to stay informed of any developments. Just a theory.
They could of switched it off and listened to music, seeing it was in the 80s, from a cassette.
That's what I would of done because I'm not a dumb arse who has too listen to useless government propaganda, which has been dressed up to look like public info.
That was one of the best jokes from those old government nuclear warning broadcasts : 'unscrew a door and lie under it.' I mean who said ministers didn't have a sense of humour when it came too the nuclear holocaust?
The Doomsday device you speak of is only a theory its a cobalt bomb that makes the bomb very dirty but to spread all that radiation around the world you need a nuke so big no plane or missile could carry it.
If it was too heavy to be put on a plane or be fired as a missile they would instead, just detonate it on the ground, and then let the winds just take cobalt radiation around the globe.
Most american nukes are 1MT but they deploy serveral of them to each target area the USSR had larger ones in a bunker far away you have a better chance of living The Tsar bomb and 25MT bomb were not deployable just far to big and heavy. getting the fire engines far from any city is a good idea as long as they are shilded from EMP then later they can come back in to rescue peopleburried alive.
You talk about IMT as no more than a small bomb going off but that's 1000 Hiroshima's. And anyway the Russians wouldn't have to use their heavy Tsar nuke because they could use 2 10 MTs and one 5MTs, which would do the same damage as one of those Tsar nukes that you mentioned.
BigBagOfPus I don't care if it was the greatest war plan ever it was still bloody ridiculous to send those fire engines away when they knew there wasn't anywhere safe for them go. Anyway the roads would be full of debris after an attack; none of them would of been able to have got too those fires. They didn't think of that scenario did they at all, our so called intelligent leaders?
BigBagOfPus I don't care if it was the greast war plan ever it was bloody to send fire engine when there wasn't safe. Anyway the roads would be full of debris after an attack and so they wouldn't even be able to get too any of the fires at all. They didn't think of that our so called intelligent leaders.
Have the Russians got a dooms day device? I say this because in the 60s there was speculation that they had one? A bomb that has so much Corbet in it that the planet would be irradiated for hundreds of years.
It was Einstein who started it off when he wrote to FDR in 1941, warning him that Hitler was trying get a nuclear bomb. Although in reality Nazi Germany gave up the whole idea of developing a bomb in WW2; so if Einstein had not written that letter to the president, the world would be nuclear free today.
Just hilarious to see how frightened and paranoid the British/Western media made people, making the Soviets out to be the big Red boogy man in order to gain hatred towards the East.
SovetskyySoyuzah 8 months ago
@SovetskyySoyuzah That's true, I'm sure the Soviets never used media to make people "frightened and paranoid" about the West.
Guesswork01 8 months ago
@SovetskyySoyuzah It's useful to note both sides were doing the same, demonizing the other in a retarded atomic pissing contest.
Joel354vanfanel 2 weeks ago
Most disturbing film ever.
alexkrycek21 10 months ago
@alexkrycek21 That's the whole point. It *should* be disturbing.
lonelyheroine 8 months ago
never noticed before but that bloke with the clip board is zak dingle lol
ntfclad1985 10 months ago
why cant i click on 2nd set of comments? If I click 'next' then it stops video and shows all comments.
littleniyah 10 months ago
morning clive .....have we got everey thing in place ....? we just had central command on the phone sayin londons been hit .what shall we do ........FUCK ALL THAT CLIVE WHERE THE FUCK IS MY XBOX ......?
killme96 11 months ago
But who would have the time to see them anyway after a nuclear war nobody. At the end of this drama what's left of the population completely looses the power of proper converstation or intelligence thus symbolising the collapse of society; this fact I found that the most chilling thing of all except of course that is to say, the intiial effects of the explosions themselves. A whole new generation now retarded no better than dumb animals brought me to tears at the end.
Professor6871 1 year ago
I think that scene where you had those paintings being taken down in that gallery was all part of the government 's plan of deception to the public. The plan was to convence the general public that a nuclear war would just of been like WW2 and not the utter anniliation that it would be. Most of general public in their view, would not be able to conceive of such destruction, and so the WW2 story was as good as any lie, which would maintain public order and moral up to the very end.
Professor6871 1 year ago
0:38 News transcript
"The evidence all points to two major explosions in northern Iran on... The British Gov.... station in... recorded just before half one and again at two o clock our time ... divided in the range of 100 kilotons, several times higher than the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The French newsagency.... Baghdad, a bright light... uncomfirmed reports from Islamabad to London this morning suggest... radioactive debris may have fallen on parts of western Pakistan"
darkhyena 1 year ago
@darkhyena Is this a prediction of the future doomsayer?
Professor6871 1 year ago
3.34. Bloody L S Lowry preserved for posterity? I'd left his paintings to burn.
hill9868 1 year ago 2
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Professor6871 1 year ago
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David Cameron's Defense policy, a seat for himself, his family and other Conservative and Lib Dem big wigs and their families on a requisitioned British Airways Boeing 777 departing London Heathrow destination Bermuda, before the first Iranian ten kiloton yield range nuke detonates over London. Put the Nimrod MRA4 in to service, keep the Harrier GR9 in service and kick Cameron out of 10 Downing Street.
adrianwainer 1 year ago
So really, forgive me for not including The Silent Generation, or The Lost Generation when I complain about the policies leading up to the race for bomb. And no, the arms race didn't scare the Soviet union into submission. Does anybody here really think for one second Gorbachev or whomever quivered in his shoes and backed down because of all our bombs? No! Christ, one side could've taken out every target of their opponent and still not survive the ensuing aftermath.
yourdeadhusband 1 year ago
In the next discussion Truman will be praised by right wingers for using the bomb to save all the lives it would've taken to conquer Imperial Japan. Give me a break.
yourdeadhusband 1 year ago
And actually, who are we kidding, if it won't be the bombs as we know them, it'll be something far worse. The powers that be can't perpetually keep the technology away from the said rogue states; it's too bad it was done before the genie was out of the bottle rather than after it was created at all (the allies won already and everyone knew it).
yourdeadhusband 1 year ago
Take a logic class, conservatives and members of the "Greatest Generation" which to me entailed the govt. during the war. And yes, I'm aware that Jimmy Carter was actually in the Navy Nuclear Power Program.
The inevitable nuclear disaster I'm referring to, spaz(es?), is a nuclear power plant; the most vocal critics of the usage of those aren't anywhere near the right.
yourdeadhusband 1 year ago
Thanks to people like Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher, we no longer have to face this possibility.
swami1 1 year ago
@swami1 What about Mikila Gorbajov ruled the USSR then, sorry about the spelling of his name? Without him we would still be facing this today .
Professor6871 1 year ago
@Professor6871 Agreed Glasnoist and Perastroika the economic and social reforms saved us or at least removed the pressure cap on the events that were likely to end in both sides having the almighty scrap..
Hauntedman1 7 months ago
The things they say on tv, phones disconnected, everything...that would make me get the hell out of there. Its like saying: 'There is going to be a nuclear war, the world will be distroyed and even if you survive you will be loaded with radiation. But dont panic and stay at your home'. So they stayed. o.O
livkivi 1 year ago
@livkivi I suppose all those dead bodies would of made the streets look so dirty for the chosen elite who had survived the holocaust, as they finally emerged from their nuclear bunkers.
Professor6871 1 year ago
i have been studying nuclear war for abut 2 years. "Stay in your home" is the worst advice I have heard. It provides little in radiation protection, easily ignites, and is most likely close enough to a major city to be destroyed.
professornuclearbomb 1 year ago
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therealMrMackem 1 year ago
@professornuclearbomb Thank God they never had to find that out the hard way!
WhiteLionness 1 year ago
Bloody Thatcher
Kevster1993 1 year ago 2
Master plan by the communists to have a general strike as it might just have worked back then. In the 80's the unions, CND and the Labour Party were all in the pocket of the KGB. Would Moscow have wanted to have wasted all that money on so many 'useful idiots' just to see them go up in smoke. Remember Kinnock around this time consulted Moscow about scrapping trident if he had won the 87 election.
hkpho0ey 1 year ago 5
@hkpho0ey Well we know that some trade unionists and Labour MPs visited Moscow regularly in the 1980s. And that some of them must have bee infultrated by the KGB. MI5 or MI6 documents, when opened after the 30 year rule, will show this to been true.
Professor6871 1 year ago
@Professor6871 Including Neil Kinnock who laughably consulted Moscow about future Labour government defence policy. However I wonder if we will ever know the real truth about the former PM, Harold Wilson. KGB later confirmed he was a Russian spy and MI5 says he wasn't. Their is an interesting article which the ex Labour minister Gerald Kaufman did couple of years ago for the Spectator magazine. About when he was approached in Moscow by the KGB.
hkpho0ey 1 year ago 7
@hkpho0ey Only if they had occupied the UK in a conventional war just like the Nazis used useful idiots in occupied France in WW2.
Professor6871 1 year ago
@Professor6871 Not quite as NATO never made any attempt at competing in conventional forces with the Soviet Union. So the chances of USSR winning a purely conventional war was zero as NATO would have gone nuclear long before that happended. So their only option was to fund 'sympathetic' organisations like trade unions, miners strike to cause unrest. Whilst at the same time funding CND, the antiwar movement and Greenham Common to try and force Europeans governments to expel US troops.
hkpho0ey 1 year ago 2
At 4:36 that loo they were going to have down there looked like a big pottey. I don't think I'd of wanted to have stayed down for there for a month with just that too do your buiness in.
Professor6871 1 year ago
The best line from the whole drama here : 'Where's the emergency committee?...bloody councillors, well they're not getting paid for this.' An all time classic line there.
Professor6871 1 year ago
Obama WANTS a war in the Middle East. He will allow Iran to get the Bomb.
lamardarren 1 year ago
Well, you have to admit: special effects artists in the UK do not have the restrictions that we have here in the USA! And the producers there in Great Britain are going to take full advantage of that!
rayandreina 1 year ago
That jingle of the warning message is so creepy....
anisete46 1 year ago
This is terrific! Nearly an hour and no nuclear missiles! But it's horribly inevitable!
Wow - what a great TV programme!
Worse still - the "public information" broadcasts are the actual ones that would have been used in the event of a nuclear war.
Chilling in the extreme! What a great programme!
jazzx251 1 year ago 2
Read about Switzerland's nuclear bunkers; they built bunkers all over the country for civilians and in every home. The British government could easily afford to build vital bunkers, but decided it would be more cost-effective to let people die.
Even the Soviets apparently had some civilian shelters, what does that say about Britain's ruling class?
Relugus 1 year ago
@Relugus The Soviets built the subway system to act as shelter in the case of nuclear war.
omcorc 1 year ago
@AlchemicGnosis Of course God exists. Although to be honest Kenny stopped playing for Liverpool and Scotland quite a few years ago...
faeembrugh 1 year ago
It was those of a conservative ilk and the "Greatest Generation" who are liable for the ultimate moronity of nuclear war, which is an inevitability that should be accounted for in advance, in our lifetimes.
The Brits, on their little rubber duckey of an island, understand the reality. Watch Damnation Alley for the American fantasy of stores to loot and Swedish songbirds to pick up.
yourdeadhusband 1 year ago
@yourdeadhusband
Wrong again: It was liberals that plunged us into the most horrific wars and holocausts in history...
and Harry Truman, a LIBERAL, was the first AND ONLY to use a nuclear weapon in hostility.
mongoose704 1 year ago
i love how the stupid liberals think they can stop a nuclear war by going on a strike. Yeah, right
Guynumber7 1 year ago
As stupid as you might think the liberals are, they would never be responsible for the moronic ultimacy of nuclear war.
This film, along with a few others I've seen from the UK, illustrates just how vulnerable they were/are on their quaint little isle. Contrast this with the made-for-tv-movie Damnation Alley, which may still be found on You Tube, and you'll notice how Amercans expect a life after Doomsday, complete with surviving Swedish songbirds to seduce and stores to loot.
yourdeadhusband 1 year ago
Americans made 'The Day After" and 'Testament" also....not quite like "Damnation Alley."
telecom79 1 year ago
The liberals aren't responsible for the ultimate moronity of nuclear war.
Nuclear disaster is inevitable, and it's only the degree of frequency and intensity that remains questionable; thank you conservatives and members of the "greatest generation."
Watch the American tv movie Damnation alley, it illustrates how Americans fantasize surviving nuclear war, driving across the US, and finding, in Vegas, a surviving Swedish songbird to mate with.
yourdeadhusband 1 year ago
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mongoose704 1 year ago
@yourdeadhusband
"Thank you conservatives"
do you mean "conservatives" like Harry Truman? Wait he was a LIBERAL! Just like FDR who approved the development of the weapon and Woodrow Wilson who put American on the track of making "the world safe for democracy"
yet ANOTHER liberal as well.
Just another democrat liberal nutlicker who doesn't know history.
mongoose704 1 year ago
@mongoose704 I think you are confusing things a bit. Truman, Wilson and FDR were indeed all Democrats. But the Democratic party of their time was not like the Democratic party we have now.
The Democratic party of Wilson, FDR, Truman, and Kennedy believed in American exceptionalism. They fostered a confidence and optimism about America and what we could do.
The Democrats of today are nothing like them. They are practically communist by another name.
BrendaQG 1 year ago
@BrendaQG The Democratic party still supports our wars. Afghanistan, Iraq, Gulf War One...
our Democratically controlled Congress and Democratic president escalated the conflict in Afghanistan just this year. They pushing for action against Iran and are acting against Pakistan.
Like our so called republicans that TALK fiscal responsibility to get conservative votes, Democrats TALK PEACE to get the anti war vote and have been betraying them ever since the seventies.
mongoose704 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
And that so-called optimism about American Exceptionalism and what we could do ended in the failed Korean War (which we are still paying for) and the catastrophic Vietnam War and the failed Great Society. A collapse of our military and economic might that would not be restored for years. And would continue with them under the neocons. And we will pay for years for the guns and butter of the 2000s
mongoose704 1 year ago
@mongoose704 The Korean war was not a failure. Our objective was to protect the freedom of the South.
The Vietnam war was a failure because their we failed to protect the freedom of millions. They paid the price, as did the people of Cambodia when Pol Pot's brand of communism spread to that country.
As for the rest of what you said what the hell ever.
BrendaQG 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
We failed to topple North Korea and are still there wasting lives and money when they would be unified without our intervention equals failure to most with a brain. Vietnam cost millions of lives, billions of dollars all without accomplishing the objective equals failure to anyone with a conscience. German errr "American Exceptionalism" destroyed our economy from the sixites to 1981 equals Five Star Fail For You.
mongoose704 1 year ago
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@BrendaQG "As for the rest of what you said what the hell ever. "
So much for that conscience. I'm inclined to call you a sociopath.
mongoose704 1 year ago
@BrendaQG
Very well said, Brenda.
ChristophDollis 1 year ago
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@yourdeadhusband: "The liberals aren't responsible for the ultimate moronity of nuclear war.........Watch the American tv movie Damnation alley, it illustrates how Americans fantasize surviving nuclear war, driving across the US, and finding, in Vegas, a surviving Swedish songbird to mate with."
Well, couldn't agree with absolutely everything you said, but yeah, we can see eye-to-eye on this, though.
MiracleMile90 1 year ago
@Guynumber7 But if your sandal, LSD new age hippy, yogot knitter and waster that's the only thing you know. As least a nuclear war would get rid of them over night.
Professor6871 1 year ago
if i wanted your opinion micho i would ask so you know my keyboard doesn't work right had to replace it so keep your opinions to yourself opinions are like assholes we all got one
pizzaman147 1 year ago
03:55
They all just walked into a tomb.
poodtang1 1 year ago
the british government had emergency powers for war and they had it set for local government officals such as chief executive of sheffield district to be a wartime controller now how many classes does it take to be prepared for a full scale nuclear war then find out 4 eeks later that here dead go figure
pizzaman147 2 years ago
@pizzaman147 Yes we know because its says all this in docu drama. Putting local officials down underneath a crappy basement, that was supposed them from nuclear attack, while you've got loads of concrete over thier heads that will fall on top of them was really an act of genius. Its interesting that the top councellors who were supposed to be there weren't. I know about public sector cut backs but that's taking it too far.
Professor6871 1 year ago
@Professor6871 Thats just pure freaking genius that...... The Americans have secluded Bunkers we shove all our guys in or over ground zero in a building that can fall over and obstruct the way out because in the 80s we were pure fucking idiots where this episode of history i.e the Cold War was concerned... Europe=frontline yet we all act like fucktards. lol
Hauntedman1 7 months ago
The US still has 350 Nukes in Europe.
Germany, Turkey etc.....
ThoughtTraveler 2 years ago
thats what i said he didnt push the button the idiots did who took the technology and buitlt the bombs that hat isaid the exact words and srtill ther's yer sign
pizzaman147 2 years ago
With as poor as your grammar and spelling is, you have no right to call anyone an idiot. It takes one to know one, I suppose.
MichoRizzo44 1 year ago
The scariest part about this clip was the government advising everyone to stay home, while the fire trucks were moving out of the city. Less bellies to feed after the war.
Basileus84 2 years ago 2
@Basileus84 Yeah so that they could have more food for the chosen few in bunkers then.
Professor6871 1 year ago
you know when it gets to the stage of nuclear war human lives dont matter damn you know god is thinking i gave you a world and gave you the knowledge
and what did you do you blew each other up fucking great move einstien
pizzaman147 2 years ago
It has nothing to do with god.
What on earth are you on about?
BurkeHare1 2 years ago
@BurkeHare1 It has everything to do with the god we created but nothing to do with the God who exists.
Commentarian1 2 years ago
God does not exist.
It is man's most elaborate piece of fabrication.
BurkeHare1 2 years ago 2
you only wish mankind were capable of such a construct..
Commentarian1 2 years ago
@Commentarian1 Yeah mankind is great at make believe and convince gullaible people like yourself in accepting it.
Professor6871 1 year ago
@Professor6871 lol, douche
Commentarian1 1 year ago
Excellent summation of our greatest mistake.
jimmywrangles 2 years ago
@BurkeHare1 How right you are? A creed that has stopped mankind for many years from progressing. The greatest lie that has ever been made in the history of the world.
Professor6871 1 year ago
@Commentarian1 But you've created him in the first place so how do you know that God exists other than what you say and what you believe in. I believe in fairies am I wrong?
Professor6871 1 year ago
@BurkeHare1 cos he exist period!
Professor6871 1 year ago
@BurkeHare cos he dosen't exist period!
Professor6871 1 year ago
Albert EInstein was not responsible for the atomic bomb, in fact he was a pacifist...he was a scientist who developed certain basic theories about the universe, if it had not been him someone else would have eventually. Was the unknown discoverer of fire also "responsible" for the good and the bad? (heat and light vs. house fires)
anisete46 2 years ago 2
einstein said he didnt know how they would fight world war three but he did know how they would fight the next one
with sticks and stones the man knew what he had done it wasnt him who pushed the button!!
justicelut 2 years ago
8:10 - 8:22. Realisation that things might actually be getting serious. I love those moments, when people pack in the joking and their facade cracks. They start getting worried that something might be about to happen to them, not just some 'nobody' in a third-world country.
Snyder29 2 years ago 2
This movie makes me so sick.
Kaefermicha 2 years ago 14
@Kaefermicha Its supposed too.
Professor6871 1 year ago
@Kaefermicha dude -- this movie IS sick......thinks about today and look when this turkey was made....LOL --- gobble gobble....
ctmale1956 1 year ago
Good film this - British stuff tends to be a little more realistic then American crap, to say the least. Although even this film is now outdated - basically there would be barely any life whatsoever after a bomb like this, never mind folk staggering about - also, there is no mention of foreign aid/follow up so a bit of artistic licence anyway - top film though.
SimonDolan 2 years ago 2
what exactly is your frame of reference? have you lived through a nuclear incident? 'american crap'? right, theres no 'crap' coming out of brit cinema.
jas22 2 years ago
To be fair, I don't think *anyone* would be getting foreign aid (even if it could help) - the whole world would be affected by the war.
russellkerr 2 years ago 4
Absolutely, the most horrifying motion picture I have ever watched.
hmbpnz 2 years ago
Why is that one guy waving a handful of can openers??
MrsNorris55 2 years ago
Profiting off the fear of the impending war. How are you going to get your food from your tinned stock of provisions if you can't get the tin open? That's why he was selling them for an inflated sum. I think Americans refer to it as "price gouging".
Kenn1965 2 years ago 5
@Kenn1965 Capitalism never dies even if there's an impending nuclear war.
Professor6871 1 year ago
to open tinned food..as tinned food would not be contaminated
glenbeavis 2 years ago
Probably on to a money spinner, after all tinned food is just about all that wouldn't be irradiated
a10077 2 years ago
Because the only edible food would be tinned and I bet most people would have lost their openers. Someone's got to make money.
carpal24 2 years ago
Those Rolls-Royce powered Phantoms are cool!
bluezappy 2 years ago
4:22': 'The disaster committee hasn't turn up,Those bloody councillors! Well there not getting paid for for this?.' Best line from the whole drama.
garyturner96 2 years ago
We had a Unigate milkman. You could get stuff from the fridge compatment too. Eggs, etc
We even had a fizzy drinks round! Mr Bacon, did 12 flavours! Worked like milkman but came on sunday. LOL England my England! (1984)
5000433 2 years ago 3
There were still milkmen in England in the 1980s? Good grief, I never saw one in my whole life and I was a teenager when this was aired.
WestVirginiaRebel 2 years ago 4
there's still milkman where I live, I see the milkfloat every day. Where do you live?
billyb4223 2 years ago 2
Well, I currently live in Parkersburg, West Virginia, but before that I spent most of my life in San Diego and when I was little we lived in Park Forest, Illinois...that would have been in the early Seventies...honestly, I don't think I (or most people my age) have ever even seen a glass milk bottle.
WestVirginiaRebel 2 years ago 4
Oh, I live in England, Near a spa town called Buxton. Most people have their milk delivered around here. The glass bottles are nice, but birds sometimes pick the foil lids off to drink the milk, namely bluetits...
billyb4223 2 years ago 12
Damn birds! LOL !
PaulUmbarger 2 years ago
WVR, it may not have been common for Americans of our age group (those in their teens in the 1970's through the mid - 1980's) but I recall milkmen and milk bottles well. I grew up in Manchester, England and we had them even when I moved away to London when I turned 20. In my sister's neighbourhood in Sydney, they still have home milk delivery.
Kenn1965 2 years ago 5
That's sad, you need to travel - New Zealand has plenty of fresh milk and cream, Australia too... glass bottles... and you need to learn how to spot the difference...
angurisloud 2 years ago
"I've been trying to get us out of th Common Market for thirty years"
Wonder what he'd have made of the EU :)
WestVirginiaRebel 2 years ago
The music is creepy...
italianotampa 2 years ago
IMHO a government should have organized public fall out shelters, because we know that fall out would be the worst danger
anisocoro 2 years ago
And who is going to pay for that.... all the money has gone to support the lazy immagrants and to collect up all the guns - no money left....
angurisloud 2 years ago
But weren't there public shelters in Great Britain?
anisocoro 2 years ago 2
No. Only for the government.
markthemovieman 2 years ago 2
wow thats pretty shitty, even here in the states there were public bombshelters and a civil defense squad to get people in them
DaytonaRoadster 2 years ago
always the sames politi-shit and this shelters are maded by ours taxes
patmix 2 years ago
yes, under most of the big cities.
billyb4223 2 years ago
at the end of the day...and i guess this would be the end of days...america or russia...right wing vs ;left wing....islam vs christianity..does it matter? We as humans live everyday allowing it...so shouldnt we humans aceept some blame?
musicalglenn 2 years ago
well, nature doesn't develop atom bombs independently, so probably
noun12345 2 years ago
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Fucking filth, fascists 'til the end.
holydave 2 years ago
This is set in 1984 but it looks like this town is still stuck around 1970-ish. Still using old trucks and delivering milk? The TVs look fairly primitive for the 1980's.
RJY4356 2 years ago
I was thinking that, especially with the ambulances. However, the year is never specified, it was just made in 1984.
holydave 2 years ago
Yeah I checked, the calendar dates they give in the movie match 1983. It was filmed in late '83 and early '84, it first aired in the UK on September 23, 1984 as a Sunday night movie then made its way to the US on cable TV later in the 80's.
RJY4356 2 years ago
Yes your right because we talked about this the next day at school.
garyturner96 2 years ago
@RJY4356 Thanks for finding that out. I remember when this was first shown but not the actual date when it was first transmitted. It must of been the weekend because as kids it was the sole matter of conversation on the Monday at school, that of this drama. I think they also broadcast for the first time then, on British TV, 'The Wargame' that was made in 1965, which previously had only been shown in UK cinemas and not on British TV.
Professor6871 1 year ago
RJY4356 wrote "This is set in 1984 but it looks like this town is still stuck around 1970-ish."
Yeah, well, Sheffield can be like that. Heck, talk to a Sheffield Wednesday fan sometime, and you'll find that they're still stuck in 1935.
(I had to do it)
BigBagOfPus 2 years ago 2
lol
billyb4223 2 years ago
The music at 5:50 is sooo creepy. And what the hell good are a few fire trucks going to do? It's about as effective as " duck and cover". Totally ridiculous.
RJY4356 2 years ago
It's from a series of UK gov't public information films from the early 80s called Protect And Survive, telling people what to do in the event of nuclear war. And yes, their advice was about as useful as 'duck and cover'.
markthemovieman 2 years ago 2
to save some truck would be important for an eventual reconstruction,
anisocoro 2 years ago
"General Strike by TUC Stops Incipient Nuclear Conflict"... Now that would be an amazing headline....
anisete46 2 years ago
Is the footage of the police coming in taken from Brixton riot news footage?
boredreiver 2 years ago
Some of it. Some of it is from Anti-Nazi riots in London in 1979
red1964 2 years ago 2
4:06 - It's Zak Dingle!
DJgaZman 2 years ago
is it just me, or does ruth look like amy lee
typo368 2 years ago
Who was that newsreader? Lesley Judd? Oh the end of the world IS cheering me up!
ChokingHorror 2 years ago
who is Lesley Judd?
anisete46 2 years ago
Former children's presenter in the 1970s. Like a lot of presenters from that time, she spoke very clearly and precisely, real received pronounciation stuff.
ChokingHorror 2 years ago
@ChokingHorror There used to be a department within the Beeb, I don't know if its still there today, which was devolted too precise or correct pronunciation of words. It was a resource that BBC TV news jounalists used quite alot. If your reading from an auto que in news studio you have too pronunce words properly or you sound silly.
Professor6871 1 year ago
She sort of sounds like the newsreader in the Australian series On the Beach....
anisete46 2 years ago
yeah another gr-8 movie , australia can do gr8 movie too
patmix 2 years ago
@ChokingHorror She used to be on Blue Peter in 70s.
Professor6871 1 year ago
that jingle is whats used on who wants to be a millionaire lol
killieguyno1 2 years ago 3
the jinggle on the goverment add is scary enough.
timeclock200 2 years ago
Wokers of the world unite! We can stop nuclear war! *sees mushroom cloud off in the distance* "fuck it, lets loot like there's no tomorrow." scary thing is this is probably close to what would have happened.
mrsports45 2 years ago 6
@mrsports45 any excuse to have a strike even a nuclear war.
Professor6871 1 year ago
LOL - calling a general strike in protest at a looming conflagration of doomsday proportions - yup, that would have worked. Those were the days.
sludgefingers 2 years ago 5
Well, of course nobody believed it would actually happen, LOL
MrsNorris55 2 years ago
@sludgefingers yeah very stupid but mind you when Ken Liverstone was head of the old London County Council, in the 80s, he tried to make London a nuclear free zone. I mean the Russians would of taken notice of that wouldn't they and not attacked.
Professor6871 1 year ago
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Men are too stupid animals to deserve to survive
cibernete1974 2 years ago
Why would Ruth and her boyfriend be listening to that depressing public information programme while stripping the old wall paper in their new flat; instead would they've been listening to some pop music so they could escape from all that bad news? I would if I was in their situation and nuclear war seemed like it was going too happen any minute.
turner60 2 years ago
Hi turner,
Apparently if a situation like this ever happened and war was expected, normal broadcasting would have stopped and the 'Wartime Broadcasting Service' would have replaced it. This would have been a single channel dedicated to information and scary public information films! Not much else to listen to!
1980robpl 2 years ago 4
Yeah but this drama was made in 1984 when there was only few channels TVcand radio channels. Today there's so many that at least some normal broadcasting would carry on.
turner60 2 years ago
That's a very good point, Turner. Makes you wonder how such a crisis would play out nowadays! 'Protect and Survive' on one channel and MTV on another ! :-) With so many TV channels now, I wonder if it would make people more oblivious? Upon seeing any disturbing news or government broadcast, they could just switch over and forget it. Or would the government take over the whole of sky broadcasting?...
Robpl1980 2 years ago
Hmm but what about channels like NHK?
arnolddisco 2 years ago
@1980robpl How do you know that? Give us some evidence that there would only be one channel if war was expected too break out.
Professor6871 1 year ago
Probably it was the only thing on radio, constantly broadcasted.
jpnarino 2 years ago
Turner, if Ruth and her bloke were listening to an ordinary transistor set, I would imagine government emergency broadcasting would already have taken over all networks/stations. They'd have no choice but to have heard them, or simply kept listening to stay informed of any developments. Just a theory.
Kenn1965 2 years ago 2
They could of switched it off and listened to music, seeing it was in the 80s, from a cassette.
That's what I would of done because I'm not a dumb arse who has too listen to useless government propaganda, which has been dressed up to look like public info.
garyturner96 2 years ago
"If you are caught in the open - lie down" Because everybody knows that asphalt is nuclear weapons' one weakness!
SchoolGuy2 2 years ago 4
I love the old Government Nuclear Warnings, especially the one which tells you to unscrew a door and lie under it.
soapyward 2 years ago
That was one of the best jokes from those old government nuclear warning broadcasts : 'unscrew a door and lie under it.' I mean who said ministers didn't have a sense of humour when it came too the nuclear holocaust?
turner60 2 years ago 7
The Doomsday device you speak of is only a theory its a cobalt bomb that makes the bomb very dirty but to spread all that radiation around the world you need a nuke so big no plane or missile could carry it.
NielsShoe 2 years ago
some of my nasty farts after my wifes chili will do the samething.
walleyrt69 2 years ago
If it was too heavy to be put on a plane or be fired as a missile they would instead, just detonate it on the ground, and then let the winds just take cobalt radiation around the globe.
turner60 2 years ago
or neilsshoe could fart
cautionthisissparta 2 years ago
Most american nukes are 1MT but they deploy serveral of them to each target area the USSR had larger ones in a bunker far away you have a better chance of living The Tsar bomb and 25MT bomb were not deployable just far to big and heavy. getting the fire engines far from any city is a good idea as long as they are shilded from EMP then later they can come back in to rescue peopleburried alive.
NielsShoe 2 years ago
You talk about IMT as no more than a small bomb going off but that's 1000 Hiroshima's. And anyway the Russians wouldn't have to use their heavy Tsar nuke because they could use 2 10 MTs and one 5MTs, which would do the same damage as one of those Tsar nukes that you mentioned.
turner60 2 years ago
"The Tsar bomb and 25MT bomb were not deployable just"
USSR had 25 megaton warhead for heavy ICBM SS-18
It was designed to destroy highly protected strategic targets in USA such deep bunkers in mountains
Primorsky 2 years ago 2
BigBagOfPus I don't care if it was the greatest war plan ever it was still bloody ridiculous to send those fire engines away when they knew there wasn't anywhere safe for them go. Anyway the roads would be full of debris after an attack; none of them would of been able to have got too those fires. They didn't think of that scenario did they at all, our so called intelligent leaders?
turner60 2 years ago
BigBagOfPus I don't care if it was the greast war plan ever it was bloody to send fire engine when there wasn't safe. Anyway the roads would be full of debris after an attack and so they wouldn't even be able to get too any of the fires at all. They didn't think of that our so called intelligent leaders.
turner60 2 years ago
Have the Russians got a dooms day device? I say this because in the 60s there was speculation that they had one? A bomb that has so much Corbet in it that the planet would be irradiated for hundreds of years.
turner60 2 years ago
As they say: Our weapons have advanced far ahead of our wisdom.
olivemike81 2 years ago
It was Einstein who started it off when he wrote to FDR in 1941, warning him that Hitler was trying get a nuclear bomb. Although in reality Nazi Germany gave up the whole idea of developing a bomb in WW2; so if Einstein had not written that letter to the president, the world would be nuclear free today.
turner60 2 years ago
Right... a general strike... that will really stop them!
anisete46 2 years ago
What would you suggest then write to your MP or phone the BBC up and complain?
turner60 2 years ago