#32 Marriage Mess- Quick Questions For Mormons

[nimrodcolocolo]

Sory I meant to say "have the priesthood"

[nimrodcolocolo]

If u really study about u will realize that even a temple marriage can be nullify...and all because of the priesthood...this is another reason why we say we are the true church...cuz we had the priesthood

[jonnygotz2343]

LOL she can marry again if a man dies on this earth!!! And when she dies she gets to choose which husband she wants in the next life

[genexrollins]

Joseph Smith NEVER practiced polygamy,

Joseph Smith practiced ADULTERY.

[InternetDisciple]

Mormons, an open question: According to mormon doctrine, Abraham had no sins for which he needed to be saved?

[TheScienceFoundation]

@InternetDisciple So have you yet managed to grasp the basic principle that energy existing that can't be created means it has existed indefinitely?

Or are you still stuck on the ignorance of thinking that someone is claiming 'infinite is a number'

[BOON70]

wow looks like youtube cut out some of my text i will clarify later if needed oh and read Gal 3:6-9 Abraham said the opposite of you claim.

[09futbol]

If a women is sealed to another man it is adultery. She can remarry though.........for time. It's been done alot, mostly by older couples who have been sealed to their dead spouses and want company and have been married for time.

[InternetDisciple]

@09futbol

"They will not be given in marriage at that point."

The Lord Jesus said otherwise.

He said 'No weddings nor marriages.'

The Lord Jesus: "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage,"

[09futbol]

@InternetDisciple That's exactly what I said. It's and earthly act. The melchezidek priesthood is what makes it possible. They did not have it at that point with the law of moses. The aaronic priesthood was there. But my best explanation has nothing compared to what boon70 said.

[InternetDisciple]

@09futbol

"It's and earthly act."

So the Lord Jesus said that there will be no marriages nor weddings in heaven and you are saying that the reason the mormons believe that there will be marriages in heaven is because 'it's an earthly act'.

If two people are married, then they are living in a marriage. The Lord Jesus said that there will be no marriages nor weddings in heaven.

[09futbol]

@InternetDisciple Well I guess that will be left to each others scope of things and their interepretation. WE have a prophet which makes things without a doubt true. We have the book of mormon which ends squabbles about doctrine. And one thing is, that one will never understand a person's faith or find the truth by critcizing and critical disecting. Like for instance, I'll never understand obama's way of doing things cause right now I just criticize him to much!

[InternetDisciple]

@09futbol

"And one thing is, that one will never understand a person's faith or find the truth by criticizing and critical disecting."

You're wrong again.

In the Bible, Paul praised the Bereans for their critical dissecting (Acts 17:11).

"Well I guess that will be left to each other scope of things and their interepretation."

You're wrong again. Just as with Bible prophecy, there is God's way, and there is the highway. (2Peter 1:20)

[09futbol]

Respond to this video...So the only truth in this will be from the fact that joseph smith was a prophet. And naive answer of I know he isn't cause this scripture..... won't do. the book of mormon proves his point. Read with real intent and ask god with real intent having faith in christ and you'll know. I know cause it's true. It talks of his doctrine so plainly. If somethings don't workout the way you know as why and then search it out in both books.

[09futbol]

@09futbol The major point is this. The comment above answers keith's question

[InternetDisciple]

Let me get this straight: mormon widows are still married for all eternity to one man, but feel that they can be married to another man too?

Mormons willingly share their wives with other mormons? That is sick.

[BOON70]

@InternetDisciple It can also mean a person born into a rough life. Like people born in the bad parts of neighborhoods you can say they are born into bondage.

[serafine666]

Yanno, these questions tend to be pretty easy all things considered. The reason it's easy is that the Sadduces approached Jesus to try and trip Him up on a question very much like this. In response to their hypothetical about seven brothers in succession marrying a widowed woman under the Law of Moses, Jesus essentially replied that God would determine the eternal nature of the marriage relationship and that their duty was to be obedient to the related ordinances. His reply isn't outdated.

[RSivulka]

@serafine666: Actually His reply was that there wasn't marriage or giving in marriage in heaven. They are as the angels, which according to Mormon scripture in D&C 132:17 means they are single. If LDS are correct, Jesus should have answered the Sadducees' question by saying, "It depends on whom she was sealed to in the temple."

[serafine666]

@RSivulka Actually, according to your citation, they are only single if they were not married on Earth. That aside, however, I got references mixed up for which I apologize. However, there IS something interesting about how the challenge from the Sadducees was recorded in Matthew: he specifically notes that the Sadducees did not believe in the resurrection at all so their question about marriage after resurrection was pure sophistry... which is why Jesus started by rebuking their ignorance.

[RSivulka]

@serafine666: There's no other place to be married according to the passage than earth prior to the resurrection. Further, Jesus simply didn't rebuke there ignorance concerning the resurrection, but He also made clear something about the resurrection, viz., it's irrelevant which husband the woman gets in the after life, since there is no marriage there. If there was, then we'd have a temple now to take care of it. But the temple never had such purpose in the Bible.

[awolLDSasap]

boon, you are blind and you live in a box.

[awolLDSasap]

Josephs revelation told him to marry only virgins to raise up seed. How many virgins did he marry? How many decedants did Joseph have? Joseph made sure that no one would ever convict him of adultery so he destroyed the press. Biblically, Josephs death was long overdue.

[BOON70]

@awolLDSasap I find interesting you make this statement but a question I have for you do have any reference for this? What I find odd is all Anti Mormons try and say we hide are history but sources do they use for their information?

[awolLDSasap]

@BOON70 Go look it up yourself. It's all there at lds org.

[BOON70]

@awolLDSasap Thats not a reference that is called babbling by definition. If its committing adultery why would Christ an example just like it as one of his parables? Take note he said nothing about adultery in the parable or after it. My question to you is do believe Abraham was an evil man. Do take in mind he had more than one wife.

[awolLDSasap]

@BOON70 I never said Abraham was evil. Abraham was a sinner just like you are.

[BOON70]

@awolLDSasap If what Abraham was evil why is their no chastisement from the Lord about it anywhere? Nor does it say anywhere that Abraham was punished for it.

[awolLDSasap]

@BOON70 How many times do I have to repeat this? God doesn't punish sin at the same moment you commit it. Both you and Abraham are sinners, worthy of Gods wrath. Keeping the laws and ordinances will never remove sin or invoke worthiness on a person. Regardless of what you have been taught, "man is not good". Only God is good. Ecc 7:20 For [there is] not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

[awolLDSasap]

@BOON70 The lds 3rd article of faith, "all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel" has condemned Mormons to be judged by the law. Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. Jam 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

[awolLDSasap]

From day 1,Joseph believed that anything goes, "pride, finger pointing" to protect his new religion. Even today, anyone refusing to accept Josephs law are criticized, and often, their names are tarnished by false accusations. Joseph also condemned Christianity. Josephs religious dogma oppresses the commandment Jesus gave us. Jam 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: (Mormon pride is contrary to love one another).

[BOON70]

@awolLDSasap I wonder why anyone even listens to you obviously you don't know the gospel of Christ. Teaching that if a person hates his brother he will be saved. We must try keeping the commandments to the best we can always repenting of our evil ways and trying to do better. Otherwise we will fall short. After a person is baptized not all is done. If that were true the Bible wouldn't talk about repenting all through it.

[InternetDisciple]

@BOON70

"My question to you is do believe Abraham was an evil man."

Yes.

Abraham was so evil that if the Lord God, Himself, did not step down from heaven and die on the Cross for him, then he would have gone to hell for eternity. He was so evil that he had no other options.

[BOON70]

@InternetDisciple I like how you answer my questions you ask me for me. No where in Mormon doctrine does it say that Abraham was an evil man. So the answer is not yes but no.

[InternetDisciple]

@BOON70

So you are saying that Abraham was not an evil man.

According to mormon doctrine, Abraham had no sins for which he need to be saved?

Also, if Hagar was a wife of Abraham, then why does the Bible say that Ishmael was a child of bondage? (I already know that the answer is that Abraham cheated on his wife and had a child out of wedlock. I just want to see what you answer would be.)

[BOON70]

@InternetDisciple If Abraham was an evil man the Jews would of never thought anything of him John 8:50-58

[InternetDisciple]

@BOON70

You never really answered my questions.

The question was: According to mormon doctrine, Abraham had no sins for which he needed to be saved?

Also, if Hagar was a wife of Abraham, then why does the Bible say that Ishmael was a child of bondage?

If the mormons have no answer, then please just say so.

[BOON70]

@InternetDisciple First off you say this is"Mormon Doctrine" if so you can give reference too. Otherwise what your saying is hear say like me saying your the tooth fairy with nothing to back it up with.

[InternetDisciple]

@BOON70

"First off you say this is"Mormon Doctrine""

So you are saying that you don't know if this is mormon doctrine or not? If so, then let someone more knowledgeable than you debate this issue. Please educate yourself on mormon doctrine before you try to debate mormon doctrine.

[BOON70]

@InternetDisciple No where did I say this was Mormon Doctrine or not. But what you say is true you should be able to find reference to it. If you can not it means your a liar. So either you have reference or you do not. Otherwise if you don't have a reference don't bring it up otherwise you will be accused of lying and twisting the truth just as many other Anti Mormons on youtube. No where did I say I was a professor of Mormon Doctrine or the great know it all either. You just assumed that.

[InternetDisciple]

@BOON70

"No where did I say this was Mormon Doctrine of not."

So you are saying that you don't know if this is mormon doctrine or not? If so, then let someone more knowledgeable than you debate this issue. Please educated yourself on mormon doctrine before you try to debate mormon doctrine.

"Otherwise if you don't have a reference don't bring it up..."

I will do as I please. Why do you feel that you can dictate to me the terms of this debate?

[BOON70]

@InternetDisciple You don't have to look far to see that you said it was Mormon doctrine about such and such look what you posted 5 days ago "The question was: According to mormon doctrine, Abraham had no sins for which he needed to be saved?" Well if its Mormon Doctrine site your source and if you go some Anti Mormon website well that's not Mormon Doctrine that is doctrine of whoever wrote it. Oh and make sure its "official church doctrine" if its not its some Mormons or persons opinion.

[InternetDisciple]

@BOON70

So you are saying that you don't know if this is mormon doctrine or not? If so, then let someone more knowledgeable than you debate this issue. Please educated yourself on mormon doctrine before you try to debate mormon doctrine.

But an open question to mormons: According to mormon doctrine, Abraham has no sins for which he need to be saved? If you feel that you are a knowledgeable mormon, then step up.

[BOON70]

@InternetDisciple Since you continue to avoid giving a reference I will assume what you have said is hear say. Its like saying Christians worship Baal but with no reference to back it up.

[InternetDisciple]

@BOON70

"Since you continue to avoid giving a reference I will assume what you have said is hear say."

You just admitted that you are ignorant if this is mormon doctrine or not.

As I said earlier, perhaps you should let someone more knowledgeable about mormon doctrine debate this issue.

Mormons, an open question: According to mormon doctrine, Abraham has no sins for which need top be saved?

[BOON70]

@InternetDisciple Again what you say hearsay because you can't back it up. Its like when people used to say their could be life on Mars and some people spoke of little green men with antennas.

[InternetDisciple]

@BOON70

From 4 weeks ago: "No where in Mormon doctrine does it say that Abraham was an evil man."

So are you are saying that Abraham had no sins for which he needed to be saved?

[BOON70]

@InternetDisciple Let me explain what your asking Your first question is Abraham an evil man according to Mormon doctrine the answer is no. This is the tricky part or where you try to twist things. Your second question did Abraham have any sins that need to repent of? Yes everyone does, the prophets are not perfect people, but then ask of a particular scripture. Is that scripture describing a particular sin Abraham had committed I don't know. Then you try saying well this and this is in Mormon

[InternetDisciple]

@BOON70

"Your second question did Abraham have any sins that need to repent of? Yes everyone does,"

Whoa. You think that good people can sin? The Word of God says otherwise: Romans 3:10 "...There is none righteous, no, not one:" Romans 3:12 "They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one."

None are good save God.

Abraham told lies. Abraham cheated on his wife. Evil people cheat on their spouse or tell illicit lies.

[BOON70]

@InternetDisciple the Gospels were written does not support our critics’ claim that there will be no marriage in heaven. A quick look at the original Greek of this passage

emphasizes that there is a difference between the state of marriage and

“marry[ing]” or “giving in marriage,” or wedding ceremonies, as referred

to in Matthew 22:30. The word translated as “marry” is

“gamousin,” the third-person form of “gameó,” which means “to enter

the marriage state, to wed, to get married,”

[InternetDisciple]

@BOON70

""marry[ing]" or "giving in marriage, " or wedding ceremonies, as referred"

I think that you are saying that the Lord Jesus said 'No weddings, nor marriages'. That makes no sense.

Plus, that would have the Lord Jesus sidestepping a question about the doctrine of eternal marriages.

[BOON70]

@InternetDisciple Romans 3:10 Seems to me people like to take this one out of context if you actually read it. They are talking about that no matter what we do in life even if we live perfect lives we will not make it we can only through Christ. So no amount of righteous acts will when your place in heaven. However the scriptures do talk about that we must try our best to do what God wants us to do. .

[BOON70]

@InternetDisciple opposite of what you said. Since you like to use the scriptures so much let me teach you what you just did by trying to say Abraham was an evil man. Rev 22:18-19 The plagues of this book will be added unto those who to add or take away from this book. Here is my suggestion to you don't state something about Mormonism unless you actually have some reference. No where does it say in Mormon Doctrine that Abraham was an evil man. A good example of that is you can give no reference

[BOON70]

@InternetDisciple this. How could Jeremiah add that in any way shape or form? Only prophets are to add to the scriptures under the direction of the God. If anyone else does they break the commandment of Rev 22:18-19.

[InternetDisciple]

@BOON70

"No where in Mormon doctrine does it say that Abraham was an evil man."

As I showed in my last post, it may not be mormon doctrine, but it is Bible doctrine that Abraham was evil.

Mormon doctrine and Bible doctrine definitely have many issues with each other.

Such as the doctrine of eternal marriage: When the Lord Jesus was asked about it, He shot it down. (Matthew 22:24-30) But mormen seem to believe it anyway.

[09futbol]

@InternetDisciple I mean this in the best intent. They will not be given in marriage at that point. Marriage is an earthly ordinance although selaings can be done when one has passed but the union is already made. the sadducees and the scribes were understanding of the law of moses and at that point they did not have the sealing powers. Peter was given the sealing powers and they were not specified to and excluded from things. Latter-day scriptures specify on the refernce in matthew.

[BOON70]

@InternetDisciple Matt 22 is a very old question and I have answered it before. This question was answered by Marc A. Schindler years ago and posted on the web for the public to read in 2002. The Restored Gospel is not subject to individual interpretation but that which comes from a living prophet. The Sadducees tried to set up Christ with self-contradictory question. The original Greek does not support the critics claim that they will be no marriage in heaven. The original Greek in which

[BOON70]

@InternetDisciple “given in marriage” in this sense, and in the sense of “being married?” In 1 Corinthians 7:33 we see exactly the phrase that describes a

married person: “But he that is married (“gamésas” = “the married one”)

careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.”

If Jesus had wanted to deny the existence of eternal marriage, this is the

word that would have been used in chronicling his confrontation with

the Sadducee.

[BOON70]

@InternetDisciple for your claim. I have been answering the questions of Antis for more than 20 years. I find it rude for you to make such claims having not studied Mormonism. I feel it okay to ask questions about it. But this is not a question your asking. You also go and profess you some how know more about it than I do. When you probably have never even stepped foot in a Mormon Church. Not to bragging or anything but I have been a Mormon probably longer than you have been alive.

[09futbol]

@BOON70 I know what you mean man. They think they know more than us. i've been a mormon my whole 26 years of living and I just don't get why people think they know more than our own religion and then when we prove it to them beyond what's doubted they won't believe it. They just won't let us believe what is right by bothering us. man if they just put that effort into just learing the truth of the doctrine of christ I think their would be less devisions.

[BOON70]

@InternetDisciple I also notice how Antis add to the scriptures and that's always for some reason okay. But anytime the Book of Mormon is mentioned you all scream out Revelations. But if you would bother to look at Deut 4:2 it says the same thing just uses different words and it at least says it 6 other times just in the book of Deuteronomy. So what does it actually mean? Jer. 36 A king burns a scroll that Jeremiah and scribe wrote out. The Lord tells Jeremiah to write it over again but say add

[BOON70]

@InternetDisciple When its official it will say in the preface or somewhere in the beginning of the book before the first chapter.

[BOON70]

@InternetDisciple and thus clearly refers to an action at a point in time, not a state of being—“he/she/it marries,” as we’d say in English. The second term in the verse, “giving in marriage” is “gamizontai,” an alternative way of saying the same thing (with the nuance that one is doing it for one’s own benefit; called the Middle Voice in Greek). Some people may say that if you have been married, you hav been “given in marriage,” and this is true. So what’s the difference between

the

[BOON70]

@InternetDisciple in Mormon Doctrine well if it is you should be able to give some reference for it or its like some guy walking down the street saying to people pigs fly. Obviously you haven't looked around much their is lots of publications that official Mormon Doctrine. How do you know if its official Mormon Doctrine. It will say The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints on it or it will say inside the book this is official Mormon Doctrine otherwise its someones opinion.

[BOON70]

@InternetDisciple So my next question did you have something that is hearsay, someones opinion, or something you actually have reference to that you are getting your source.

[BOON70]

@InternetDisciple If Abraham was an evil man the Jews would of never thought anything of him John 8:50-58. If Abraham is an evil man the Bible would be false. Christ wouldn't not of been who said he was. Also the term child of bondage has a different meaning to it than what you implying. Even today if a child is born out in the wilderness with none of the technological advances we have know it can be said they were born in bondage. So your going to explain which term do you really implying.

[Tavlo]

@carlasue88 No problem... we've all done that. Guilty here. LOL!!!

I like to learn something everyday, so just chalk it up to a learning experience for the day. :-) Blessings!

[Tavlo]

@carlasue88

Actually... poly means many and gamos means marriage.

Andras (or androus) is man and gyni is woman

So you can say polyandrous for being married to many men and technically a man who is married to many women is polygynist. All of it is under the title of polygamy, which simply means plural marriages.

[RSivulka]

@carlasue88: Ya, that's more specific, but polyandry is still a form of polygamy. That's how most understand the terms. But however you use the labels, the problem still remains for LDS.

[grnmessiah]

Your Marklars are wise and true; Mormons would do well to try to answer that question . . . also, the original D&C 101 said that Mormons believe in having ONE WIFE, and that when the original husband died, they were free to remarry.

While it was in the D&C, was it doctrinal? Was the part about remarrying doctrinal? Is it still?

[aaronshaf2006]

Keith, a new HD webcam from Best Buy costs $40 now :)

[EvidenceMinistries]

@aaronshaf2006 I literally laughed out loud when I read this. Isn't this quality good enough though?

[aaronshaf2006]

@EvidenceMinistries On a compact YouTube video, yeah, but you want posterity for your videos, and you want more of an audience with increasingly used YouTube-on-TV devices. It's better in the long-term. Imagine watching your videos from 2010 in 2020.

[RSivulka]

@EvidenceMinistries: Keep in mind that Aaron's a computer geek! ;>P I think it looks great! If you wanted to get the best, you'll drive yourself nuts having to upgrade every year.

[BOON70]

@EvidenceMinistries You should ask the same question to the people in the Old Testament. If you are married and you die your wife is then take by your brother and the children he has by your wife are raised up unto not the brother. So the answer is no they are not committing adultery or a polygamist.

[awolLDSasap]

@BOON70 God doesn't punish every sin the minute it happens. Adultery is a sin. Lying is sin. Pride is sin. Biblically, if your wife dies or commits adultery with another man, you are free from the marriage vows. Anything else, is adultery. I can see that you're fading into spiritual wife gathering that only Mormons believe in. Muslims also believe they will have extra women in heaven.

[GraceAlone71]

This is such a good question. As a Mormon I was always taught that if my husband died I was free to re-marry "for time" only on earth, but I couldn't go to the temple and be sealed to the same guy "for eternity".

I would love to hear what the Mormon women have to say about this one. =)