I was a kid back then & my mother let me listen to all that music, my monm was a product of the hippie 60s & knew that none of the music would bother me. I grew up just fine thank you.
@Sekiath that's not what I mean. I know he didn't make the list but when he highlighted the names of the bands in red, he forgot to highlight Mercyful Fate, ignoring that they are a metal band too.
I used this for my senior project last year. My evil a-hole teacher gave me an 100% for the class presentation, but the judges for the actual presentation gave me an 88%. 2 points away from an A, even though everyone said my presentation was more informative and interesting than a lot of the presentations that DID earn A's... -_- Unfortunately, some people are still ignorant about rock and metal. :/
I would really like to see the clip from the documentary "Warning: Parental Advisory", when Dee Snider defends the music against Tipper Gore. Is there anyone who can upload it?
Should we act as stupid jock kids,and every time we get frustrated kick the shit out of some poor guy,or rather kick the shit out of the whammy bars on our guitars?
Tell me what you think is the more constructive solution.
Story of The Year's first album I remember didn't have a single curse word on the whole CD. It was the enhanced content for the computer that caused the CD for Parental Advisory. Rediculous. It made me throw the cover away because of that.
@f15mech I never denied that. Things change. Tables have turned. Most of the dems aren't engaged in culture war anymore. The religious conservatives (like the teabaggers) would love to regulate rock music. Remember the 90's Marylin Manson concert protests. I guarantee you those protesters were not dems.
Dee is so smart, you have to respect him for it. I remember all this, and I hated Tipper Gore for it, but as Dee has said before the Parental Advisory Explicit Lyrics sticker was one of the best advertisements that rock n' roll ever had. Think about it, which one do you want? Edited or not?
If Al went down on Tipper more, this committee would have never even happened. Sometimes the solution is simple. Al, grit your teeth and lick that smelly bonch, do it for your country.
man i dont know who invented that "pmrc" of whatever the fuck it is but they should be smacked across the head with a fuckin B.C. RICH warlock... hey its one of the heviest guitars their is
Man! These dam Gores think it is their life purpose to control every aspect of our lives! What they hell is their problem?
What I find even more funny that that people like that , especially old AL, is that they tell us the way to solve all of our problems is to basically NOT live like them? lol. It bad to leave big carbon footprints with private planes, cars, 9 million dollar houses to heat and cool, making millions a year. Didn't I just describe Mr Gore's life? LOL WTF
does anyone know where i could find the entire pmrc debate? i keep finding this segment, which is great by the way, but i really just want to watch Dee tear those people apart not just hear him tell about it
Most of the people that listen to these songs have enough common sense not to take these lyrics seriously. If you think, for example, that just because Ozzy sings about drinking yourself to death, that you should do it, then, you have to see a shrink and admit yourself into an institution. These songs are made for entertainment purposes only. They are not meant for you to follow them like a dog on a leash. Kids need to be taught this at an early age.
The way I see it. If a PC sticker and the song "We're not gonna Take It" is all that stands between your child being safe and successful ....OR.... becoming a drug addicted loser that becomes a prostitute and a drop out? ....that dam kid is not gonna make it in this world anyway. Might as well perform a retro abortion.
ALL BANDS, WHETHER ROCK OR HIP HOP, HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE WHATEVER KIND OF SONGS THEY CHOOSE. THE PMRC AND CONGRESSIONAL SUB-COMMITTEES ALWAYS TRY TO FIND BAD THINGS IN THIS MUSIC BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO. IT'S UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL TO DETERMINE WHAT THE MESSAGE OF A SONG IS. JUST BECAUSE A SONG IS ABOUT SUICIDE, DOESN'T MEAN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO IT. IF EVERYONE DID THAT, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY FANS LEFT TO BUY THE ALBUMS. I'M GLAD THERE ARE GUYS LIKE DEE SNIDER AROUND.
@FromHalo2halo Ok, you're a fucking idiot. Mercyful Fate is kickass, and is one of the most important bands in developing metal. And your metalcore and deathcore is not real metal, so you're the pussy here listening to shit.
@myrkvarg mercyful fate mean absolutely nothing, there is no depth to their lyrics or their music, at least slipknot have some decent lyrics and, at least judging by their first album, some of the best music in history.
also, IN HISTORY, what are you retarded, that's some bullshit claim to make
@FromHalo2halo Hahaha! Are you fucking joking me? You haven't read any Mercyful Fate lyrics if you claim something like this. And slipknot DECENT LYRICS? HAHAHAHAHA! Omg, you are retarded. I have never read such a failure before. Seriously, shitfucks lyrics are shit, and so is all the crappy, overrated fail-music. Only teenage girls like yourself listens to such repetitive, monotonous crap, so seriously, back off kid. You don't know what you're talking about here.
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The anti-rock movement should have been more on the ball. They should have been cracking down on those degenerate artists. Big mistake, genie is out of the bag.
Now their filth is piped through every speaker which cover ever square meter in every city in western civilization. What's the point of free speech if we don't have the discrimination to listen?
exactly. plus, how about being a parent and guiding your OWN children. deferring your paternal responsibilities to the government is the opposite of responsible and it's people like that that ruin our society.
Well I think people who don't guide what their children listen to help breed self-righteous hedonists like Dee Snider.
It's a simple choice we have to deal with. Either we choose virtue freely, or the state decides for us how we live. It's just a question of power, it has nothing to do with what I do or do not advocate.
Congress has way too much time on their hands. Whether they are investigating rock musicians or baseball players, they are never doing what is in the best interest of the nation.
he's going on and on and on about how his speech was so awesome and had the whole committee in rapture...... i'd actually like to SEE it, though, not just 15-second sound bites
@dementedpianist i wish too. i recently did my research paper on this stuff and i was disgusted with what i found. they actually stopped filming Dee at times because he was the only one part of the group that was targeted by the PMRC so they thought he didnt deserve his testimony to be recorded. but instead each one of their testimonies were no less as great. the PMRC was a terrible group it was basically a 3 year old vs an expert in these hearings
The parents there and the press were laughing and smiling at him as he walks in, and he starts reading his speech, and their faces freeze and they're like "WHAT THE F*CK?!"
"Mz Gore was looking for sadomasochism and bondage, and she found it."
great vid i noticed on i wana rock and many others that wmg stake a copyright claim if the spoilsports are going to do that then jst remove the fucking video
The irony of the PMRC's crusade is the fact that the "sticker" that was supposed to damage the sales of these kind of albums ended up INCREASING the sales of them! As they say, ANY publicity is good publicity, and the PMRC basically handed it to the metal genre on a silver platter!
We need him to talk to congress about SOPA
TheBrayness 1 week ago
braveheart baby bring the f#### flag dee snider rulz
lortallica 2 weeks ago
why isn't mercyful fate a metal band????
shitfaced1312 2 months ago
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"F is for fighting
R is for red, our ancestors blood in battle they shed
E we elect them
E we eject them land of the free and the home of the brave
D for your dying
O your overture
M they will cover your grave with manure
THAT SPELLS YOUR FREEDOM IT MEANS NOTHING TO ME
as long as theres the PMRC"
Bugznumberone 2 months ago
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Bugznumberone 2 months ago
DEE IS A BADASS. I FUCKING LOVE TWISTED SISTER.
Orthropox14 3 months ago
2:05 the first time they saw a METAL BULGE in court!!!!!!
waltermetal1987 4 months ago
2:05 the first time they saw a METAL BULGE in court!!!!!!
waltermetal1987 4 months ago
Tipper Gore sends subminal messages when she speaks...
Horzagiar 4 months ago
I was a kid back then & my mother let me listen to all that music, my monm was a product of the hippie 60s & knew that none of the music would bother me. I grew up just fine thank you.
Anglynn74 5 months ago
3:16-3:19
council man 1: dammit he's good
council man 2: i know we're fucked
Jtakashi16 6 months ago
0:11 He forgot Mercyful Fate!!! they're more metal than most of the other bands and this idiot ignored them. Metal fan my ass.
psychomaniac76584 7 months ago
@psychomaniac76584 Are you talking about the list for the filthy fifteen? Because he didn't make that list, the PMRC did.
Sekiath 6 months ago
@Sekiath that's not what I mean. I know he didn't make the list but when he highlighted the names of the bands in red, he forgot to highlight Mercyful Fate, ignoring that they are a metal band too.
psychomaniac76584 6 months ago
I used this for my senior project last year. My evil a-hole teacher gave me an 100% for the class presentation, but the judges for the actual presentation gave me an 88%. 2 points away from an A, even though everyone said my presentation was more informative and interesting than a lot of the presentations that DID earn A's... -_- Unfortunately, some people are still ignorant about rock and metal. :/
AlexandraMercury 7 months ago
wow, I love it how he made those pricks shit their pants.
666Jalkasieni 7 months ago
Dee Snider: The number 1 go-to lawyer for your inner child since 1983.
LibraHorse1 10 months ago
that Khan lady looks like Mrs doubtfire
FUNNYDUDEFILMS 11 months ago
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octaviocgsa 1 year ago
DEE SNIDER FOR PRESIDENT \m/
666stet 1 year ago 6
I would really like to see the clip from the documentary "Warning: Parental Advisory", when Dee Snider defends the music against Tipper Gore. Is there anyone who can upload it?
Motorskallen 1 year ago
where is the rest? anyone tell me? Saw Zappa,and Denver Where can I see the complete hearing? Thanks
01sircharles 1 year ago
If the teabaggers do get their way then we should start deciding which person we should send to congress!!! Lol
livemusicrox 1 year ago
We're really not gonna take it.
Should we act as stupid jock kids,and every time we get frustrated kick the shit out of some poor guy,or rather kick the shit out of the whammy bars on our guitars?
Tell me what you think is the more constructive solution.
Angelus12308 1 year ago
Hey, Dee, the Declaration of Independance is now being censored in this country, too!
brightbite 1 year ago 4
Story of The Year's first album I remember didn't have a single curse word on the whole CD. It was the enhanced content for the computer that caused the CD for Parental Advisory. Rediculous. It made me throw the cover away because of that.
doctorshifty83 1 year ago
If the teabaggers get their way, we'll be right back to having stupid hearings like this.
jons44 1 year ago
@jons44 It was Al Gores (Democrat and prior Presidential candidate) wife that started these stupid hearings the first time.
Nice try
f15mech 1 year ago
@f15mech I never denied that. Things change. Tables have turned. Most of the dems aren't engaged in culture war anymore. The religious conservatives (like the teabaggers) would love to regulate rock music. Remember the 90's Marylin Manson concert protests. I guarantee you those protesters were not dems.
Nice try
jons44 1 year ago
tipper gore is a cunt.
Rocket14queen 1 year ago
@Rocket14queen agreed
KillerBassist1 1 year ago
Dee is so smart, you have to respect him for it. I remember all this, and I hated Tipper Gore for it, but as Dee has said before the Parental Advisory Explicit Lyrics sticker was one of the best advertisements that rock n' roll ever had. Think about it, which one do you want? Edited or not?
spazzmosis 1 year ago
Al Gore must be hung like a budgie... his wife needs a good fuck.
corymazz 1 year ago 2
my hero
beefour23 1 year ago 2
Does anyone have the full video of Dee Snider in court???
VitalSigns1 1 year ago
So this guy would consider Def Leppard a metal band but not Mercyful Fate?
Frowned 1 year ago
does anyone know where I can find the full video of the court session?
dragula6 1 year ago
Thank god Megadeth didn't have their Peace Sells album out at that time xD The Conjuring would've been on the occult list in a heartbeat XD
11DNA11 1 year ago
I look at that black list and only see some of the best songs ever written.
Bobofjudia 1 year ago 2
@Bobofjudia Agree! Judas Priest's Eat Me Alive is a masterpiece in my book :)
11DNA11 1 year ago
The PRC should have sat back for minute and just looked at the fact that John Denver and Frank Zappa were against them lol.
I mean DAM...if John Denver is on your back you must be doing something really F*&Ked up lol!
mrhoffame 1 year ago
If Al went down on Tipper more, this committee would have never even happened. Sometimes the solution is simple. Al, grit your teeth and lick that smelly bonch, do it for your country.
Razersun 1 year ago 5
@Razersun LOL well said my friend lol1
mrhoffame 1 year ago
man i dont know who invented that "pmrc" of whatever the fuck it is but they should be smacked across the head with a fuckin B.C. RICH warlock... hey its one of the heviest guitars their is
rebelwithoutacause44 1 year ago
Dee has been married to the same wife for more than 2 decades, Al Gore and Clinton are dirt bags
texaslocoman1 1 year ago
Dee can kick Al Gore and Obama's ass the envirommental nut jobs
texaslocoman1 1 year ago
Man! These dam Gores think it is their life purpose to control every aspect of our lives! What they hell is their problem?
What I find even more funny that that people like that , especially old AL, is that they tell us the way to solve all of our problems is to basically NOT live like them? lol. It bad to leave big carbon footprints with private planes, cars, 9 million dollar houses to heat and cool, making millions a year. Didn't I just describe Mr Gore's life? LOL WTF
mrhoffame 1 year ago 3
Dee's a lot brighter than he looks, isn't he??
knightryderrwn 1 year ago
Dee Snider is a true American patriot unlike all these other traitors in the U.S congress.
LordMalice6d9 1 year ago
al and tipper divorced and al gore jr busted for drugs
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
Dee Snider showed all of those politicians and the PMRC the amount of respect they deserved: NONE WHATSOEVER!!!!!!!!
archelonprime 1 year ago
Dee for President!
eleanorvenables 1 year ago
does anyone know where i could find the entire pmrc debate? i keep finding this segment, which is great by the way, but i really just want to watch Dee tear those people apart not just hear him tell about it
BlueJ84 1 year ago
I wonder what the "O" rating meant...
IcedPhoenix666 1 year ago
@IcedPhoenix666 occult
BlueJ84 1 year ago
@BlueJ84 Ohhh Ok... dangerous stuff... LOL
IcedPhoenix666 1 year ago
@IcedPhoenix666 Occult themes
watchmerock1 1 year ago
@IcedPhoenix666
occult
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
Most of the people that listen to these songs have enough common sense not to take these lyrics seriously. If you think, for example, that just because Ozzy sings about drinking yourself to death, that you should do it, then, you have to see a shrink and admit yourself into an institution. These songs are made for entertainment purposes only. They are not meant for you to follow them like a dog on a leash. Kids need to be taught this at an early age.
mikerules666 1 year ago
The way I see it. If a PC sticker and the song "We're not gonna Take It" is all that stands between your child being safe and successful ....OR.... becoming a drug addicted loser that becomes a prostitute and a drop out? ....that dam kid is not gonna make it in this world anyway. Might as well perform a retro abortion.
mrhoffame 1 year ago
ALL BANDS, WHETHER ROCK OR HIP HOP, HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE WHATEVER KIND OF SONGS THEY CHOOSE. THE PMRC AND CONGRESSIONAL SUB-COMMITTEES ALWAYS TRY TO FIND BAD THINGS IN THIS MUSIC BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO. IT'S UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL TO DETERMINE WHAT THE MESSAGE OF A SONG IS. JUST BECAUSE A SONG IS ABOUT SUICIDE, DOESN'T MEAN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO IT. IF EVERYONE DID THAT, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY FANS LEFT TO BUY THE ALBUMS. I'M GLAD THERE ARE GUYS LIKE DEE SNIDER AROUND.
mikerules666 1 year ago
1:53 I'm in love ^^
sliversophie 1 year ago
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FUCK PMRC they are:
Parents with no social life
Morons that have sex once a year
Retards that are jelous of their kids being better then them
Cocroaches and need to be exterminated
Fuckeeeerrrr 1 year ago
fuck censorship
IcyScythe 1 year ago
Mercyful Fate is also a metal band. Why didn't they add Mercyful fate to the "metal list". Sam Dunn is a good filmmaker, but he sucks at genres.
myrkvarg 1 year ago
@myrkvarg mercyful fate are also SHIT, listen to some realy metal you pussy
FromHalo2halo 1 year ago
@FromHalo2halo Ok, you're a fucking idiot. Mercyful Fate is kickass, and is one of the most important bands in developing metal. And your metalcore and deathcore is not real metal, so you're the pussy here listening to shit.
myrkvarg 1 year ago
@FromHalo2halo And Slipknot (shitfuck) is the worst, most overrated crap-band in history.
myrkvarg 1 year ago
@myrkvarg mercyful fate mean absolutely nothing, there is no depth to their lyrics or their music, at least slipknot have some decent lyrics and, at least judging by their first album, some of the best music in history.
also, IN HISTORY, what are you retarded, that's some bullshit claim to make
FromHalo2halo 1 year ago
@FromHalo2halo Hahaha! Are you fucking joking me? You haven't read any Mercyful Fate lyrics if you claim something like this. And slipknot DECENT LYRICS? HAHAHAHAHA! Omg, you are retarded. I have never read such a failure before. Seriously, shitfucks lyrics are shit, and so is all the crappy, overrated fail-music. Only teenage girls like yourself listens to such repetitive, monotonous crap, so seriously, back off kid. You don't know what you're talking about here.
myrkvarg 1 year ago
Dee is better than bush...
macio000 1 year ago
isnt mercyful fate metal?
butterknucklez 1 year ago
@butterknucklez
most people wont consider it metal, but it's widely accepted
sobman 1 year ago
@butterknucklez Indeed it is. And one of the best bands!
myrkvarg 1 year ago
Even Dee Snider did more for America than Tipper Gore ever did.
pdxtone 1 year ago 43
OMG AL GORE FUCK HIM AND His global warming bull shit.
AirwarriorX2 1 year ago
@AirwarriorX2
Yeah, I agree. Stupid gore and global warming.
007Mechanix 1 year ago
@007Mechanix
It's funny. NASA came out and said global warming is real. But all that dont mean shit when AirwarriorX2 says it's bullshit.
That guy for president.
sobman 1 year ago
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The anti-rock movement should have been more on the ball. They should have been cracking down on those degenerate artists. Big mistake, genie is out of the bag.
Now their filth is piped through every speaker which cover ever square meter in every city in western civilization. What's the point of free speech if we don't have the discrimination to listen?
mendelbot 2 years ago
Yeah, let that genie out of the bag. All the stories have genies living inside of BAGS.
giggletronics 2 years ago
@mendelbot
exactly. plus, how about being a parent and guiding your OWN children. deferring your paternal responsibilities to the government is the opposite of responsible and it's people like that that ruin our society.
itanimullitenretni 2 years ago
Well I think people who don't guide what their children listen to help breed self-righteous hedonists like Dee Snider.
It's a simple choice we have to deal with. Either we choose virtue freely, or the state decides for us how we live. It's just a question of power, it has nothing to do with what I do or do not advocate.
mendelbot 2 years ago
Dude, we miss you on the radio here in Hartford, CT... come back!
fprintf 2 years ago
"Tipper Gore is a whore." I think I still have that t-shirt.
FairMindedWatcher 2 years ago
i lived through 80's bands and fucking loved it
ErrorNotification 2 years ago
she was looking for masochism LOL luv this guy i am gay for him
pwnageprata 2 years ago
you couldn't even mention what move you lifted this clip from?
thesubcultured 2 years ago 7
could be wrong but i think it might be, Metal: A Headbanger's Journey
FrogWardLK 2 years ago
Clip is from the documentary "Metal - a headbangers journey", would also recomend his other documentarys Global Metal and "Iron Maiden - Flight 666"
warwolf667 2 years ago
Congress has way too much time on their hands. Whether they are investigating rock musicians or baseball players, they are never doing what is in the best interest of the nation.
thor52879 2 years ago 9
he's going on and on and on about how his speech was so awesome and had the whole committee in rapture...... i'd actually like to SEE it, though, not just 15-second sound bites
dementedpianist 2 years ago 51
@dementedpianist
transcript avaliable online
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
@dementedpianist i wish too. i recently did my research paper on this stuff and i was disgusted with what i found. they actually stopped filming Dee at times because he was the only one part of the group that was targeted by the PMRC so they thought he didnt deserve his testimony to be recorded. but instead each one of their testimonies were no less as great. the PMRC was a terrible group it was basically a 3 year old vs an expert in these hearings
frankenstrat25 11 months ago 3
@dementedpianist shit the lil of wut i heard dee say in this video was good enough for me, shit.
ROCK ON!!
franco19a 10 months ago
@dementedpianist your still listening to rock and heavy metal..............dee rocked the man !!
XxMafiaSoljaxX 9 months ago
@dementedpianist Here you go watch?v=8FbBpvoYKpc here is Dee Snider's PMRC Senate Hearing.
jerudoriginal91 8 months ago
@dementedpianist wikipedia has the whole testimony of dee, frank zappa, and john denver, if you haven't already found it.
MultiChief1 7 months ago
@dementedpianist There are videos of his whole testimony. Just search for Dee Snider PMRC Senate Hearing. There are three videos.
Ammobarer 5 months ago
@dementedpianist Search: Dee Snider PMRC Senate Hearing. There are three videos, all of them different.
Ammobarer 5 months ago
@dementedpianist It's on the related videos.
Kruezoraxe 4 months ago
gimme the f**kin flag!
Dee Snider f**kin rocks!
nananaface 2 years ago 2
Fuckin' A
elephantpuke 2 years ago
US congress = PWNED!!
rikardiito 2 years ago 2
Braveheart baby!!!!!!
sch98 2 years ago 3
The parents there and the press were laughing and smiling at him as he walks in, and he starts reading his speech, and their faces freeze and they're like "WHAT THE F*CK?!"
"Mz Gore was looking for sadomasochism and bondage, and she found it."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
TheCocaColaCan 2 years ago 4
GET... FUCKIN... OWNED...
Theshiggityshwa 2 years ago
Left Leaning democrats love to forget this whole Witch Hunt these days
Remember the GORES lead this Crusade, not anyone on the Right!
911AmericanSoldier 2 years ago 3
Dee Snider is not only a metal god but a standard bearer of the metal faith and has done battle on all our behalf and won, i salute you sir \m/
AMDfreak27 2 years ago
great vid i noticed on i wana rock and many others that wmg stake a copyright claim if the spoilsports are going to do that then jst remove the fucking video
sonor1981 2 years ago
me and geogre fisher are guna go to that ladys house and blast cannibals corpse
metalshreder127 2 years ago
what movie is this
metalshreder127 2 years ago
@metalshreder127 metal: a headbanger's journey
it's a documentary on the history of metal it's so freakin good
69caboose 2 years ago
i saw this documentary it was cool
scarface45645 2 years ago
fucking brilliant , he didnt take any crap
sonor1981 2 years ago 5
Dee you have big balls dude!!!
PurpureaEstelar 2 years ago 4
SMF FOR LIFE
Beardog1991 2 years ago
oh my fucking goodness, he's a metal hero!Dee Snider rules!
kiliodoulos26 2 years ago 2
Tipper Gore is such a douche...
TheMaidenfan666 2 years ago 5
The PTA sucks
johnkimble2007 2 years ago
Gail Sloatman and the Zappa Family Trust are breaking the law by making copyright claims against the PMRC hearings of the 1980's.
Please google "ZFT petition" and sign to keep these individuals from committing this crime against our democratic rights and freedoms.
thegirl44 2 years ago
METAL FOREVER!
myrkvarg 2 years ago
now...is that Tipper GORE...or Tipsy Whore?
killu2death69 2 years ago
wow that was retarded
2656music2656 2 years ago
yea she is kinda on the whorish side...
toofastforlove81 2 years ago
al gore is always getting burned on. its great
nosoup4u551 2 years ago
if you ask me, if Dee Snider can kick Al Gore's ass in debating, DEE SHOULD BE ELECTED AS PRESIDENT
footballkg24 2 years ago 49
FUCK YEA. THEN EMINEM HAHA
Dyeballer610 2 years ago
Well, anything deserved to be elected as president in place of Al Gore, really.
PuerinTheHunter 2 years ago
Very good and cool interview!
RIPmyers 2 years ago
Dee Snider !!!!!!!!!!
blacksabbathfan119 2 years ago
I supported Gore for 2000 but he was a total fuck head when it came to music.
sillysp8 2 years ago 2
The irony of the PMRC's crusade is the fact that the "sticker" that was supposed to damage the sales of these kind of albums ended up INCREASING the sales of them! As they say, ANY publicity is good publicity, and the PMRC basically handed it to the metal genre on a silver platter!
SuperDroogie187 2 years ago 11