Real Discernment Glory Clouds IHOP The Call Wretched Bill Johnson Bethel

[labratmudrock]

When my best friend became a Christian he found himself covered in gold dust for several months afterward. His dad got mad because it was getting on his easy chair when Mark sat in it to read his Bible.

[wwefan587]

Last time I checked one shouldn't judge a ministry according. Also lets say this was a thing of God you just completely blasphemed it. You weren't there yourself to test the spirits so I'm not thinking your able to fully judge. I myself am not completely justifying it because I myself haven't experienced it, but I know to rather pray than judge. Also considering what is in this video seem quite blasphemous itself.

[arkive2097]

If God really showed His glory, I would be better off dead - scripture tells us that even Moses was not allowed by God to see His glory, lest it kill him - from my commentary: "A full discovery of the glory of God, would overwhelm even Moses himself." If God does not change (which He doesn't) then how are people suddenly able to cope with His divine Glory?

[labratmudrock]

According to John 20:30 Jesus did many things that are not recorded in Scripture. Why then do we assume that the Spirit of Jesus only does those things recorded in Scripture?

[labratmudrock]

Most often I have seen the gold appear as a brilliant microscopic metal embedded in the pores of the skin. Usually this type is impossible to remove but disappears within half an hour.

It often extends to unexposed skin which shoots the theory of a dusting hoaxter.

[labratmudrock]

I have not personally seen the gold dust swirl around in a cloud but I have seen it appear on people during prayer, worship and while reading the Word.

It has been shiny and tiny like the glitter used in makeup. Sometimes it comes like a topical dusting which could be accomplished by a trickster if there were one around. Often the manifestation occurs when people are alone. And often after brushing it off the gold will reappear.

[labratmudrock]

Your theory of the cloud being man made ignores the eye witness accounts of the gold dust behaving in unexplainable ways.

If it was demonic then what was to gain? They worshipped God before, during and after the event.

The only strange doctrine of that church is that God is too big to fit into the boxes we create for Him.

[annacioffi1]

Think of Saul... He was such an evil king when trying to kill David, yet God had anointed Saul as king. No matter how evil he was, David never dared to touch a hair on his head or kill him... because He was God's anointed (even tho Saul tried killing him so many times). We need to be more like David. If this is false, then GOD and GOD ALONE will be the judge and pass His judgement. Who are WE to pass the judgement? Try listening to the voice of Holy Spirit, you can't go wrong if your LISTENING..

[BillyVeePersonal]

@annacioffi1 - Oh I am listening to the Holy Spirit.You are flitting about, looking here and there and toward every wind of false doctrine in order to have your ears tickled. The false teachers love people like you...They will soak you for every last penny. You and I are not David, Saul or Paul. The Bible is not about you or me, nor is it a prescription for life. It is a historical narrative written by God the Holy Spirit, through prophets in order to tell of His plan of redemption though Jesus.

[annacioffi1]

Because to even believe in GOd you need faith. It's by faith we believe in Him. We can't explain how He exists... He just DOES. Same thing with "wonders" ...a "wonder" is something that occurs that is unexplainable.. something that keeps you in awe. What kind of God do we serve if we can really explain everything He does? If we can explain all He does, then were really making Him seem to be so small. Be careful when calling people "false teachers" ....might just back-fire on you one day.

[BillyVeePersonal]

@annacioffi1 - I have faith in God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit, the three persons of the Holy Trinity because the prophesies in the Bible have all come true. How sad that there are so many today who seek a sign in order to build their faith. A wicked and adulterous nation seeks a sign but none will be given but the sign of Jonah!

[annacioffi1]

The Bible also says "signs and wonder will follow those that believe" ...the Bible doesn't DEFINE what signs and WONDERS are. Jesus also said before ascending to Heaven that we will be doing even GREATER things than He did... now once these greater things occur, people automatically think its false. Try using your discernment and stop being so close minded. Ask Holy Spirit to guide you before you make up your own mind. If you try to understand things with LOGIC, then it'll fail you...

[BillyVeePersonal]

@annacioffi1 - Yes and the Bible also says that false teachers will perform signs and wonders too!

[annacioffi1]

OKay let me just add something.... The Israelites lived under the cloud of God for SO many years. God performed some of his GREATEST miracles with the Israelites, and they still didn't believe Him. Imagine how much worse it's today. All I gotta say is DO NOT JUDGE. If you don't know, then don't talk. Because one day on judgement day... it is the Lord who has the final word. And all these criticisms people freely lash out, you will be responsible for that. Where is the fear of God??? Many lost it

[BillyVeePersonal]

@annacioffi1 - You people must stop threatening people with the judgment of God because they don't believe the lies of false teachers. Do you really believe God is providing clouds of glory goo at bethel church for the same reason he was putting up clouds which were protective walls in the days of Moses? You're completely delusional if so!

[WeirdBrainGoo]

And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues Mark 16:17

The wretched guy says that only a few people can drive out demons, but Jesus says everyone who believes can do it. Who's right?

[BillyVeePersonal]

@WeirdBrainGoo - Jesus does not say that. You are reading it wrong.

[shine777]

great video... thanks for posting it... it was VERY insightful... ppl in my church are eating this up like hotcakes in Alaska... and it's very grievous and I'm concerned for it... so... this is insightful... thanks again...

[Sprinic1501]

the Glory Cloud over Solomon when he was standing UP hands stretched up praying to God

[Cyril376444]

Glory Clouds at the Super Bowl last night! Definitely NOT man-made! God is soooooo good!

[ChildForChrist]

God can do all things. If he wants to show up and not have people falling out everywhere he can control that. This guy is limiting God. People try and think with a worldly doubting mind rather than a supernatural mind set.

[BillyVeePersonal]

@ChildForChrist - This "you're limiting God" argument is ridiculous. Nobody can limit God. Only people can be limited. Jim Jones used to tell his followers that they were limiting God if they didn't believe in Jim Jones. With your naive philosophy, any # of crackpots will be able to take you for a ride. People die when they stop taking their meds because a crackpot told them that Jesus gave them power to heal miraculously. Does this mean God can't heal? No! He just won't do it at YOUR command!

[ChildForChrist]

@BillyVeePersonal What I am saying is he is putting God in a box. People's minds can not comprehend the supernatural things of God. We can not say what God can and can not do that is limiting him to what we think is possible. We are using worldly standards. How do you explain Moses? He spoke to God many times and was in his presence, he was still able to go back and tell everyone what was said. What about the burning bush, the resurrection? God is the same yesterday, today, forever.

[BillyVeePersonal]

@ChildForChrist If you believe that, then any man can tell you anything and you have to believe him...Hey, I have the power to give you wealth beyond your imagination (God told me in a dream)...all you have to do is send me a $1000.00 seed offering. You can send it to my Paypal. ;o)

[Sprinic1501]

@BillyVeePersonal ur response to childforchrist made no sense and didnt address the point he made at all u just skirted around the topic. strawman arguements

[MissedTheMark]

Where in the bible does it say that this stuff can't happen today? I've seen this happen at my own church and even my house. One time it had shown up on my friend's hands, then 2 minutes later more increased on it. I saw it.. God did stuff like this in the bible and there's no stopping him from doing stuff like this today. Quit being legalistic and calling it dicernment.

[BillyVeePersonal]

@MissedTheMark - Yaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwnnnnnn

[MissedTheMark]

@BillyVeePersonal Mmmmoooooooooooooooooooooooo! lol..

[BillyVeePersonal]

@MissedTheMark Oh yeah! I've seen it too! Big, coloured diamonds and gemstones fell on me...It can happen to you too...All you have to do is send me a $1000.00 seed offering. You can send it to my Paypal.

[MissedTheMark]

@BillyVeePersonal Oh how sad.. We didn't have to pay for ours.. God just gave them to us.. Next time try God.. ;)

[shine777]

glory feathers... that's a new one... didn't hear that one... great job!

[jam0nit]

Good stuff. Let me know if you have any books I recommend people to read to learn more. I love your channel and approach. Keep it up!

[ezzy1122000]

The miracles of God are real no matter what you say or how you much you ridicule!

[BillyVeePersonal]

@ezzy1122000 - Yes, the miracles of God are real and AMAZING...The miracles of Bill Johnson and Bethel Church? Not so much! LOL

[franksui]

@BillyVeePersonal The pharisees weren't so amazed at Jesus' miracles either. Just because it's not amazing to you, doesn't mean it's not from God.

[BillyVeePersonal]

@franksui - Hey, your comment has opened my eyes! I can finally see...And God told me you can have even more than me! All you have to do is send me a $1000.00 seed offering. You can send it to my Paypal. ;o)

[franksui]

@BillyVeePersonal I've already seen that you're blind. I won't send you anything to your paypal you money-grabbing wolf.

[kbphotovideo]

I would hate to be this guy and answer Jesus at the judgement day, blaspheming the Holy Spirit's workings, let's just say that is not good. ;)

[00Gladiator1]

@kbphotovideo I believe your mistaken. I would hate to be a false pastor who stands before God on Judgment day and has to give an account for these Hollywood special effects. This gold dust glory HOAX, is created with a couple of blowers from behind the stage area and introducing Cosmetic Grade Gold Glitter into the air stream that is blowing toward the ceiling.

To give an account for all the heresy's and false teachings, and to hear him say, LORD, LORD!! did we not....

[CLISA69]

Living in the METH capitol of California (REDDING CA.) It really doesn't surprise me that Bethal has picked this town as easy pickings for tithings. The people in this vidio are obviously mentaly challenged. These nut cases should be brought up on charges for taking advantage of weak minded people that are fooled into supporting these lazy bastards. And we thought the government was corrupt. Be carefull they walk among us !!!

[00Gladiator1]

@CLISA69 You bring up a great point this is the one profession that is not regulated by the government. Virtually anyone could start their own religion;

Do you what some of this?

Signs and Wonders?

Hi I'm Bill, and I have a Church, do you have $1500? Then I have a bank account for that. Come on down, and have your self-esteem lifted up by being told that your are like a god. Dazzle you neighbors with amazing stories of angels feathers and gold glitter falling from the air vents.

[1952puddin]

One word, idiot, that is a righteous judgement we are commaned to judge concerning idiocy that is not worldly knowledge that is the word of God rightly divided, Idiot defined as one who is unlearned The elect of God believe by faith not by sight. Get out of that evil church and repent, or die in your sins. you are sacrificing your children symbolically to satan by teaching them the ways of the pagan. You read my first rebuke, this is my second, repent there will not be a third.

[mercymimi82]

I am so sad for this man on "Wretched" He sounds so cynical..so bitter..so like the scribes and pharisees...I pray that the eyes of his understanding be open..that the veil comes off so he can see the truth in this.God is bigger than our knowledge of Him..we need to seek him in Spirit and Truth(word)..We cant put the God of the universe in a box...He will not be contained!

[BillyVeePersonal]

@mercymimi82 - You put God in your own box just by saying that. The Holy Spirit lives in us and guides us through His WORD...Not by liver-shivers and goose-bumby feelings.

[JIKface]

@BillyVeePersonal its true that the Lord guides and speaks to us with His Holy Scriptures:) but since the veil has been torn, we are all welcomed into the Holy of Holies, to commune with our Father to receive instruction and grow in our relationships w Him. its actually really important to let God lead us this way:) ALWAYS referencing the Bible, He will NEVER contradict it!:) this is a wonderful intimacy that i fear you are missing out on.. :( ask the Lord. He will show you. God Bless brother!

[00Gladiator1]

@mercymimi82 I would say this guy has a deeper understanding than do you.

What Bill Johnson is doing here in Redding Ca is Crowd Manipulation, Hypnosis, Power of Suggestion, and Theatrical Tricks using Cosmetic Grade Gold glitter, along with his heretical teachings, Bill teaches; Jesus became Sinful, went to Hell, and had to be born again.

As for the gold dust glory HOAX, I could reproduce this stunt inside any building using some simple blowers and Cosmetic Grade Gold Glitter.

[00Gladiator1]

@mercymimi82 Actually that wretched guy is Gospel Centered and Orthodox. 

Unlike the New age mysticism of Bill Johnson's Cult

[1952puddin]

saw onw where gold dust feel on everyone, only taken by an outside source and anylised it was not gold at all.

[1952puddin]

only thing they will get from God is thrown into hell.

[mercymimi82]

@1952puddin Be careful..if youve never experienced this ..dont judge and dont put God in your little box where u can understand with a limited earthly knowledge...He will not be contained to our limited knowledge of Him!

[1952puddin]

The glory of God would have melted all their eyes and tongues in their heads, these are idiots. God does not appear to anyone worshipping satan in these world chruches.

[newbirth35]

Thank you for posting this!

[horseshoe92]

His approach may be different, but what he is saying is the truth. What a bunch of demonic junk coming into the churches now days!! People get into the Word of God (king James version) so you may be able to discern the spirits!! Stop believing what all the so called preachers are teaching you. Search the scriptures!!!!! PLEASE

[Peace7Maker]

I tough God sent us as messenger of the good news, so i do need those miracles!

[Peace7Maker]

@Peace7Maker Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons: freely you have received, freely give.

[BillyVeePersonal]

@Peace7Maker - Did you mean to say, I *THOUGHT* God sent us as messenger of the good news, so i *DO NOT* need those miracles?

[mercymimi82]

@BillyVeePersonal Yes Jesus is the Good News....The good news that he is still the healer Still the deliverer Hes still the same ..yesterday today and forever and guess what I think we as Christians all believe this..when we accept Him as our Lord and Savior..THE Good News lives in us..Jesus in us ..The same yesterday today and forever..Wow praise God ..the resurrected Christ lives in us woohoo..are we walking in resurrection power ? Or are we limiting Christ in us? What will he find when

[mercymimi82]

@mercymimi82 he returns?Will He find faith? Will He find mediocrity?What will he find? Wake up Church..Wake up..for your redemption draweth nigh!

[shutterkat]

Great video. This guy speaks the truth. It is so sad that folks need to chase after signs and wonders. Obviously, Jesus is not enough for them. I'd much rather walk by faith, than by sight. Just about every book in the New Testament warns people about wolves who will hide among the sheep. Wolves don't announce to the sheep fold "I'm a wolf and I'm here!" I wish people would use more discernment than listening to false teachers who twist scripture to fool the undiscerning.

[theper4sho]

@shutterkat what faith are you walking in?

[JIKface]

i was just saying that the clock in this 'wretched' show is stuck on the time 4:20. that time is significant in the world. its wicked. this guy shows no real fruit of the Spirit like gentleness, patience, kindness, meekness. and the tribal design behind 'wretched' looks demonic.. real discernment tells you this guy is a tool of the enemy.. he is downplaying the power of God. i dont agree w all the weird manifestations, there are false spirits invading the church. but God is alive and active!

[BillyVeePersonal]

@JIKface - Oh

[Wbeard92]

@JIKface You need to be extremely careful about what you say. Yes, Christians are to be those. Christians though are not to give an inch to satan. You are attacking because you yourself are trying to defend something that is simply unbiblical. What Mr. Friel is saying is true. God does work but it isn't through people like IHOP. He isn't downplaying God, Todd Friel is pointing out those who are making a mockery of the name of God through their actions. To they are demons, not false spirits.

[JIKface]

@Wbeard92 i never realized how widespread the belief is that our Father doesnt speak w us outside of His Scriptures.. He speaks to me in a myriad of ways. everyday He guides me supernaturally. whispering to my heart. pushing me at opportunities and speaks through me to bring Life.. i council w Him in prayer. He gives me images with understandings to pray according to His will.. He wants to move and work through us. how can we let Him if we think He cant.. dont justify faithlessness.. forgive me!

[Wbeard92]

@JIKface I would be real careful with what you are saying. Because yes God can talk to you that way, but so does your flesh and demons. In those conversations test EVERYTHING that is told to you according to what the bible says. If it doesn't agree with the word of God, is slightly different, or something else like that (like a verse but part is missing). Then throw it all out because it isn't God talking to you, and you are in grave danger. We talk to Him in pray, and He speaks through the word

[JIKface]

@Wbeard92 youre right! :) the flesh and demons do try and get in there. but we shouldnt become fearful. we get as close to the Lord as possible and get to know His voice. where we learn to discern His voice compared to an attack from the enemy or our own selfish ambitions:) Jesus says in John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. praise God!!! :)

[JIKface]

you might want to fix your clock. its stuck at 4:20.. real discernment..

[BillyVeePersonal]

@JIKface - Huh?

[Shoots1978]

@JIKface they change the time everyday.

[JIKface]

@Shoots1978 i realized that later:) but it doesnt change the fact that this was the first 'wretched' episode i ever watched.. and that the Lord gives us redflags for our discernment when we start something that He doesnt approve of. my life is led by the Spirit and i dont believe it was an accident :) God Bless

[Shoots1978]

@JIKface Oh yeah, that's why it's so important to read the bible as much as you can. The more we read the bible, the more of His Spirit we are filled with. I think Ephesians 5:18. And remember Hebrews 1, tells us how He speaks today to us, through His word only. We ever the bible is preached, rightly and understanding it historically, etc. The the Spirit of God is there. No Word, No Spirit. Don't mind this, but if your not somewhere, then neither is your word right? Hope I can use that

[JIKface]

@Shoots1978 bless you brother. you are so right about reading the word as much as possible! :) but i disagree w the opinion that God ONLY speaks w us by His Holy Scriptures:) when Jesus died the veil was torn, believers are a "priestly kingdom, holy nation" the priests before Jesus would go into the Holy of Holies to inquire of God. to get instruction, now that availability is given to us by Jesus! hallelujah!! that is putting God in a box, He LOVES to speak with his children!! John 10:27 :)

[Shoots1978]

@JIKface Who is Jesus, the one of the bible. Is He not the Word incarnate, so would the Father not speak through His Word, and wouldn't His Word be the one that creates? Who created the universe, and the earth, the Father or the Son? Genesis 1:1 says, God created, and the Spirit (verse 2) hovered over the earth, which was an empty mass of unformed water. That the Word stretched out into a sphere, right?

[JIKface]

@Shoots1978 :) i believe He is everything the Scriptures say about Him. Colossians 1:16 God speaks to us through His Holy Spirit, through His creation, to our hearts in a still quiet voice, through the Scriptures.. so many ways its hard to even count! :) we definitely need to be rooted in the Bible tho.. we dont want to confuse our own thoughts, or thoughts pushed onto us by the enemy, as coming from our Lord. but we grow in that discernment and learn to hear His voice and walk in obedience :)

[Wbeard92]

@Shoots1978 Not necessarily. There are so many churchs that read the bible yet God is far from them. You must be seeking Christ with " seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul"(Deuteronomy 4:29). They claim Him with there words, but deny and blaspheme Christ with their lives. The spirit of God does live in every true believer(which a true believer is known by their fruit. Matt 7) I can tell you that the spirit of God doesn't come to a place though that is devoid of prayer.

[Cyril376444]

@TheProtocol9 Where does the Bible use the phrase "personal relationship"? Wouldn't sound exposition of the BIBLE "truly keep us taught (sic) about God"?

[CrystalBlue33]

@Cyril376444 - Please don't misunderstand what I am about to say. I certainly believe EVERYTHING should be measured against the Bible. But you don't mean to say that you don't believe in a personal relationship with Christ, do you? I hope that's not what you mean. It's not about memorizing a book and trying to live up to it's standards (not putting down God's Word at ALL) ... but it's just that that's not ALL there is to it? Peace to you.

[Cyril376444]

@CrystalBlue33 The problem is I don't know what that means. I can't possibly have a "personal relationship" with Christ in the way I do with my wife, my friends, etc. I talk to them, they talk back to me, we do things and experience things together. Now the Apostles, THEY had a personal relationship. Me? The only Christ I can know is the one in the Scriptures. I pray, but He doesn't speak back to me. I'm convinced that the things people think are "the Lord" speaking to them are imagined.

[Cyril376444]

Awesome! This guy tells it like it is.

[Cyril376444]

Awesome! This guy tells it

[TheProtocol9]

THE MAN OF GOD NEED A INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP SEASON TO DISCERN GODS MOVEMENT IN THE SPIRIT BROTHER IN THE NAME OF JESUS I PRAY GOD LET YOU SEE WITH YOUR OWN EYES GODS GLORY IN THE PURE MANISFESTATION,OF GODS SPIRIT. GOD DO REVEAL HIS GLORY TO THE OPEN TO RECIEVE HIM IN SPIRIT. LORD HELP THE MAN OF GOD TO KNOW YOUR SCRIPTURE TOUCH NOT MY ANOINTED AND DO MY PROPHET NO HARM.TRANSLATION ITS A DANGEROUS THING TO TOUCH THE POWER OF GOD WORKING THROUGH HIS ANOINTED ONE PRAY BROTHER PRAY. GLORY

[BillyVeePersonal]

@TheProtocol9 - Why are you yelling? That scripture about touch not my anointed is not about people who call themselves prophets today. Do a google search of "touch not my anointed" and read the teaching at letusreason

God bless ya, Bill

[TheProtocol9]

@BillyVeePersonal IM WELL AWARE TOUCH NOT GODS ANOINTED IS NOT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO CALL THEMSELVES PROPHETS TODAY THE SCRIPTURE IN THE BOOK OF PSALMS 105:15 VERSE REFERS TO GODS COVENANT TO HIS SONS AND DAUHGTER.TOUCH NOT MEANS WHAT IT SAYS TOUCH NOT GODS GIFTS OPERATING THROUGH HIS VESSELS.ITS BETTER TO PRAY IN REGARDS TO WHAT A PERSON DO NOT UNDERSTAND IN GOD USING HIS SONS AND DAUGHTER IN MINISTRY. THATS WHY A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD WILL TRULY KEEP US TAUGHT ABOUT GOD

[mercymimi82]

@TheProtocol9 Im so sad for this man on "Wretched" He sounds so cynical ..so bitter..so like the pharisees and scribes...I pray that the eyes of his heart may open ..the eyes of his understanding..God is bigger than our knowledge of Him and it would be a good thing for him to not put the maker of the universe in a box..Our God will not be contained!

[jackbartolli51]

Thank you for posting this.