People without piracy is an angel without its wings. We thrive through piracy. Corruption/piracy connotate an unhealthy society, but in fact they are today central to our liberties, just like racism was several hundred years ago.
The sites are terminated and delinked before going to court findings, only suspicion is required. And you can't counter sue for damages. All than is in SOPA.
@qtutoringhelps Its not that he can't argue its that the sopa guy is completely wrong but will not let anyone else speak because he knows if anyone else speaks he would be proven wrong. So he trys to shut everyone else up and be the only one talking.
So much talk about US jobs, but they completely ignore the jobs that will be lost due to mass exodus of the IT sector to other countries, specially cloud related services. No one in their right mind would stay in a country where they are forced by law to deep inspect every single packet and monitor every single activity of every single user, to avoid liabilities, not to mention enforce filtering. Heck, this is golden chance for a non US credit card company to emerge, something from HSBC or such,
SOPA is a bill made to attack the world, and not just the US. Its a terrorist bill and does nothing more than oppress the US as well as pretty much every country that uses the internet. If it passes...it just goes to show how badly the US government is about nothing more than hurting and attacking others and their OWN people. Yes it will affect the US as well, and that old guy is just a bold faced LAIR! What has this world turned into?
to some who think whether this only affects foreign sites. it is a fat lie. the section reads any sites which is DIRECTED at a US citizen in US, is a DOMESTIC site. and the section goes on to blocking the domestic sites. so it means, if an US person can access the site in US, it is a target.
In fact, because youtube is a domestic site, this video could be taken down via DMCA which was passed a decade ago.
The reddit guy is full of shit. He basically said this bill is so powerful it will destroy the internet, but not powerful enough to stop any piracy...
Type in google, and when you go to google's homepage, there will be a petition, SIGN IT PLEASE! They're trying to take away our freedom of speech! Damn them!!! >:{
@brownsugarcandie2007 well technically this only applies to copyright infringement so technically you are saying that peoples copyrighted work is your speech?
@NeronThe I'm talking about the net as a whole! With no google, no youtube, no wiki, no fb, no anything, what good is owning a computer, when you can't do practically anything, on it?? I'm saying all of this out of anger, so if anything isn't making any sense, then I apologize!! This whole thing is upsetting me!
@brownsugarcandie2007 a computer would be worthless without the mentioned sites but i would like to believe that there is a reason for this piece of legislature to even be argued about at such high levels. i mean its not like they just pick up anything and debate on it.
For anyone who is left confused: It is a FLAT, CONSCIOUS LIE what Richard Cotton said about SOPA only targetting foreign websites AND only targetting sites dedicated to "wholesale" piracy. Ohanian probably didn't slam him on it because it's intimidating to accuse a man of Cotton's status of such a serious lie, or perhaps Ohanian wasn't completely sure about the interpretation. (Keep in mind the best lawyers available offer 'interpretations' of the bill, so it's not a very simple read.)
what is happening is that capitalism is dying of old age, all of its principles and dogmas are contradicted and destroyed by capitalism itself and by the development of technology, specially information technology. thats whats up.
And why the usa wants to shut down the web sites that are in other countries? They dont have the damn right to just shutdown any website that is in other country, the website that is in other country is not violating the usa law because is not in the usa! The usa gov is getting out of control and countries needs to tell them to get their balls downs!
@izaccy i know the stupid goverment is corrupt because they support more the companies that give them more money and those companies that dont give them money they dont get that much support from the gov, soo usa is corruped too but they give the Sensation that the usa is not corrupt but they are! Fuk the politics
just a random question, "Lets say there is a yuhioh game that is only available in Japan, and yet, we Americans would like to buy it, we would have to buy it in Japaneses language, but there are files to download that change the text to english, sopa would stop that because it is copyrighted or because its a form of illegal figuring? there are types of downloads where you can download the game in english? i know my questions are out of wack, but im confused to some extent.
@ps31871 Thats because last year there was a hidden lobbying war, going on
which only few knew about, Government does not pick sides, they work for the highest bidder. this is why Google have started to donate money to politicians,
they are just catching up now. last year Hollywood lobbied for 92 Million dollars
just to get these bills quickly passed and signed, so they could start controlling the Internet. Google and other websites are only starting to lobby now and catching up
So I think that it's about movies and video games is because that is a huge market in the US and they are complaining about a very little amount of profits? Why do rich people need more money?
Note that you have to delete the invisible character between the 3 and the 2 in 3261 and the one between the t and the e in temp for the URLs to work.
And remove the two blank spaces in the domain name.
Or just go to thomas loc gov and search for bill numbers H.R.3261 and S.968 .
They shouldn't underestimate cheap people's ability to find free content online. The war on open sharing (so called piracy) will be as effective as the war on drugs, there will always be a demand for free content online, there will always be people cater to that demand.
@Freqhopper00 Nobody has a right to my money, they get it by providing value. When they monopolize content and force me to pay to support thier redundant business model- that is theft!!! Im sure the big media houses have soo many hungry mouths to feed, give me a break.
@loren1283 No one is forcing you to consume any products, that's a choice you take. With that in mind, you don't want something due to it's inferior value, then why on earth would you want to pirate/steal it? Talk about foot in mouth. Also, you are one of the many trying to justify theft by lumping every single recording artists as some pre payed billionaire, this is jus not the case. Bitternes of people with wealth does not justify theft, nothing does.
I think the host needs to work on hes skills to curve those that interrupt other people.
The pro guy basically interrupted successfully several times in this short debate where the attention was turned to him and he, because of hes interruption, got secondary questions and even more airtime while the opposing where not able to even finish their arguments.
The Internet wouldnt even work if it was a lawless place.
It is technology people use, its not just people talking via string. Tech wouldnt work without rigid laws like all web page communication goes through port 80... Thats port 80 out of millions, yet everyone agree it should be 80.
The strangling of money to Wikileaks should actually be illegal, not because companies should not be able to pull support, but because there should be different rules when its abuse of effective monopoly.
Democrats should consider voting in the republican primaries for Ron Paul, based upon the national discussion it could create for the notion of international Peace and corporatism.
Even if they don't vote for him in the general election.
Do you Really want Newt or Romney to run any risk of being president? Really?
Paul is anti-SOPA.
A nomination for Ron Paul to be GOP nominee at least keeps the possiblity of a warmonger out of the equation.
People still go to see movies in theaters, people still go to see shows in Theatre, People still go to stores to buy video games!! Yet, due to "Vista Anti-spyware 2011(2012)" the rampant virus, I lost my computer due to corruption because Microsoft support wanted $99 for a fix that they have!!! All of the games and music i had are gone, and No-one that i have contacted will re-fund me or allow me to recover copies of what i had! Piracy, as Spain learned in the 1300s you cant stop it!
2 problems not addressed in this segment. 1. Sites that "Have the potential to link to copyrighted material are targeted and would be shutdown as collateral damage such as Facebook and Reddit. 2. The Bills' Supporters would state that it would only be usable for foreign Sites with foreign ".Addresses." the Piratebay has a US registered ".org" ending and would therefore be "immune." Ignorance? or Just FAIL!
piracy is just something business are gonna have to deal with; adapt to the market. They should stop complaining about the fact that the world is changing rapidly.
Fraud is wrong, if you mislead people into thinking a product is of your design when its not. However theft can only be considered theft if a person takes something from someone and that someone no longer has it. And "stealing" potential property (theoretical profits) is not the same as stealing actual property. If we accept that potential theoretical profits can be stolen then everything can be considered stolen using the same principle. IP is just an excuse to sensor information
The young guy was right, it is a service problem and "robbing" whole sale doesn't hinder that. Netflix grew and destroyed companies (blockbuster, though it is trying - late in the game) that refused to change and provide better service. Hey asshole VPs, stop telling me what I want and like and know.
I'm against SOPA. This said, the House has TABLED this bill 'indefinitely' as of last Friday. This is good news. But this is NOT to say, that this particular bill will not be sneaked into a larger appropriations bill in the future. Incidentally, Google was against this bill also, but what Google is doing with their latest changes in 'personalized' searches is equally preposterous. Read up on this people, because your search results from here on out, will never be same. It's all about $ .
Also HULU is BLOCKED in CANADA with Rogers..I can't get on hulu.. pay money for isp service (rogers) & All i get is a gov-corporate fascistic partnership Nannying over what i can look at on line! like we're living in fk'n china!
Would have been nice to have a real debate on the subject. As usual if it smells like a rat and looks like a rat, and it came from any beaurocracy in America, well guess what? its a rat!!!
@yourliestopshere Not a 911 truther or anything like that, but just looking at the United States since 911. Capitol Hill has been going full speed ahead on passing laws that could possibly take away our Bill of Rights. Patriot Act, NDAA, and now SOPA, these are all for the elite and just take away the peoples rights. The terrorist attacked us because we are the home of Freedom and liberty, lol, it will pass probably, lol. SOPA is for outside the US, lol
@Z200a read all the comments on all the chris hayes videos that have been put up you will find an overwhelmingly amount of negative comments about the bloody snot. anyone that "likes" him is in the minority.
iTunes and Netflix are doing just fine last I heard. The more you mention pirate sites in the media the more exposure they get. It's a pandora's box - the best thing they could do is leave it alone. I wonder how much traffic was driven to the pirate bay as a result of this report?
SOPA won't work, I got proxies and loads of other tools ready to make loops around it just in case it goes through. I'll get my movies anyway, get me a way to get movies faster/cheap and I'll use it. If I'll have to buy shitty dvds, you can go fuck yourself :)
This host sounds completely lost. His "counter" to the first point basically reinforced and supported his opponent's argument. Fucking moron. The guy who mentioned Valve was far kinder than I would have been. Was this toolbox not aware of what he was going to be covering on his own show? Maybe do a bit of research first so you don't sound like such an idiot.
You hear what the NBC shill is saying; he doesn't just want the ability to stop piracy. He wants MORE. TV & Film studios are going the way of the horse drawn carriage. They want control while they still have power.
Tell your senator or congressman: THIS IS AN ELECTION ISSUE for you.
@YOURINQUIRER Senators and Congressmen don't care... They are bought off. But i do agree this is all about Dinosaurs in their last throws trying to take as much productivity to the grave with them as possible. Rather then innovate they fight change and hold us all back.
That dude who mentioned Valve and Steam was dead on. Since day one the industry has been struggling against the flow of the internet rather than buying into the movement and making jillions of dollars doing so. Every gamer in America has Steam now. Instead of evolving, the dinosaurs are making feathers and fur illegal.
@bluesgurugod SOPA is bullshit but your idea that these 3 things need to be made better is flawed. People will still "pirate" them no matter how great or crappy they think it is.
@bluesgurugod It's that whole Lose in potential for profits. Warner Bros. makes a movie. Money geeks tell them they should make 200 billion dollars. They make 100 Billion. And they say 100 billion in profits was stolen from them. Granted very few file sharing people are actual Movie bootleggers who are doing it for money but they don't care they lost 100 billion so pass a law. And the thing is this if by people who added no artistic value to said movie. But they want some money so.
@bluesgurugod Ya know what's remarkable about technology now? I can spend $2,000 and make a Hollywood quality film, given free actors and a bomb script. The editing software and camera would be the majority of the purchase. Then, I could charge a dollar or less to watch it. By a couple thousand views, it's profit time. Millions of views? Winning!
@Freqhopper00 Why not? Jason Tomaric made Time and Again in 2002 with only $2,000 in the Midwest United States, using local resources. Today, it may actually be cheaper.
Your analogy is flawed, if you mug me then that IS stealing because I DONT have the money anymore. IF I copy a file the person I copied it from still has the file.
The prospective revenue argument is false, there is no way for you or anyone else to know how I would spend my money without access to shared media. I think I would spend more time fishing instead of watching movies, in that case it actually takes prospective revenue away from my bait shop. Your arguement is only true if you accept the premise that they have a right to all the money you dont spend on thier products. Peace.
@loren1283 They have a right to the revenue from the product, the product that you 'share', you're bypassing the essential part of the transaction. If you help yourself to something just because you can, it's still theft. Calling theft sharing doesn't cut it. I'm sure you'd be made up if someone came into your bait shop and 'shared' your bait with none paying customers. Are you getting it yet? They DO have a right to all that money you haven't spent on their products, that you have consumed.
I would agree that it is unethical to make money off of 'pirated' things. ie selling dvds of downloaded movies. Cheer up bro, sopa is dead, but the 6 media companies that control everything you see and hear will keep on making trillions of dollars for a long time to come. To me this whole thing is not even really about file sharing, its about control. They want to control the internet the same way they control radio, television and print. The question is should we allow them to.
@Freqhopper00 it is not theft. When you read a book at the library, you did not steal the info. But if you read the book online it is theft. download and test and then buy if it is good. watch something when you want, not when some executive wants. Is making a copy of the monalisa the same as taking the monalisa. lol
@Freqhopper00 this is not true, I would never pay to see many of the movies I see online, they are not good enough, then I'll wait for it to be free or skip it. experiment: one booth gives away stuff and some other sell stuff, you really think they would be able to get rid of the same amount of stuff, BS.
people are not going to suddenly start paying for the things they have been downloading, a person whos downloaded thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of content does not have that kind of money to pay for it all.
Sadly, i think eventually they will find a way to censor the internet. If not with SOPA now, a few years down the line, they will find an excuse to pass a law. All they need is some idiot to do something messed up on the net, and they will have a convenient excuse to do so. Just like 9/11 gave them an excuse to circumvent a lot of our privacy rights in the last decade
And would any kind of free or paid for access to tv shows, music or films online be possible if the entertainment industry hadn't been forced to do it? They want to reverse history, punish the entire Internet for forcing them to go online in the first place, and make you pay for every frame of film or note of music you might wish to enjoy. The NBC shill never did give a answer to Chris' question as to why the tech companies would be against this.
@swidhelm I own the hardware, the display device, and all other physical property. The arrangement of 1's and 0's on my property is mine. You cannot make it illegal to distribute information. If you do it's merely so people can profit off the monopoly of privilege. It's the evolution business. Adjust your business or die don't make laws to inhibit my own freedom.
"We" don't at all agree that filesharing is a problem, most young people today are appreciative of the technology and benefit from how it (unless the government steps in to kill the internet entirely) will force companies to change their business models in ways that benefit us as consumers.
I wonder how the composers back then in the Classical period didn't sue each other to death with copyright lawsuits lol. Today musicians sell only recordings where the money goes to the record companies, while the musicians themselves only get income from live performances >_>;
5:53 "this analogy of the neighborhood is interesting"... Anyone ever hear of the Communist/Socialist inspired phrase, "It Takes A Village"? The young man goes on to say he pictures it like burning down the entire village. This is a good example of, "collective punishment". Why should customers or citizens be punished collectively for what a few criminals do? Does that not make us all criminals, or responsible to pay for criminal acts? Why should everyone be made suspect & be stripped of rights?
Reddit actually got Paul Ryan to back down by raising money and donating it to his opposition. We should do the same (I recommend Lieberman; he's a huge supporter). Pick a target, raise money for their opponent, and they'll back off.
@pm19914 In other words, copying is not the same as stealing, unless you can somehow prove that by copying a product you're reducing/stealing its value. In fact, copying can increase the value of the product, by increasing its audience/userbase and creating more potential buyers.
@Krissj100 It's still stealing if you get a free copy of something your suppose to pay for. It's like going into a store and copying an album onto your laptop then putting the album back. Don't get me wrong I've downloaded so many albums/shows/movies etc.. for free.
@thejoolien How is piracy not a crime? I hate the big media networks' stubborn REFUSAL to get with the times as much as the next guy, but unfortunately they kinda have a point. Original content creators should get paid for the work they do. To download their content without paying them IS stealing. (please don't get into the copying vs theft, I get it)
The problem with SOPA isn't that they're trying to stop piracy, it's that they are destroying the internet to do so.
@TheSeventhEnd yes original content providers should get paid, and they do. However that is the responsibility of the content providers and their hired help. it is not the responsibility of the government to enforce peoples livings. You cannot steal potential property, you can only steal actual property and if you copy something it is not stealing property because the person that is being copied STILL HAS HIS PROPERTY. theft is only theft if a victim loses actual property.
@slickbtk " yes original content providers should get paid, and they do."
...the definition of piracy means that you aren't paying for it. Which means THEY DON'T GET PAID. I don't give a rip about your definition of stealing and theft. The fact of the matter is that piracy means not paying for the content.
As for the "it is not the responsibility of the government to enforce people's livings." That is actually arguable. Taking content for free is stealing. Stealing is illegal in the US.
@Freqhopper00 I have as hard a time accepting that copying words, files, and media is theft as you might to accepting that using speech, words, sayings and jokes is theft. It is not theft because someone else thinks you are taking POTENTIAL property (profits) from them. It is only theft if you steal ACTUAL property that the victim no longer has
@TheSeventhEnd well I am arguing principle here not law, of course it is illegal to copy copyrighted things, im not arguing that. I am arguing that it SHOULD not be considered theft. Did you invent letters? words? punctuation? but your using them when you type, did you steal those things? It should not be the governments role to enforce and assist people in making a living. If microsoft doesnt want their software copied then they (as they have) have to come up with ways to reduce it themselves.
@slickbtk Well the letters/words/punctuation quote has absolutely nothing to do with your argument. The government's role sometime's IS to enforce and assist people in making a living. In your world, you would be completely fine with having no laws regarding going into a store and stealing merchandise. "It's up to the store owners to protect their goods!" Well, it's not that way because we live in a civilized world where I don't have to sit in the back with a shotgun 24/7.
@TheSeventhEnd lol your misunderstanding theft, copying things is far from your analogy of robbing a store lol, it is much closer to my analogy of copying words, letters and sayings. If you need the federal government to enforce your living then your not good at it and you need to try a different living.
@slickbtk that being said, entertainment, music, software, design, clothing etc all rely much more on their own private methods than government methods for making their living and they are among the richest in the world, so I think they are doing just fine without new laws and acts for the government to enforce their livings. It will only serve to sensor the internet and stop the flow of information. The government doesnt give a shit if hollywood makes more money, its an excuse for sensorship
@slickbtk I'm "misunderstanding theft." Tell me this. If I create something. Let's use photoshop for example. I sunk hundreds upon hundreds of man-hours into this project. I plan to pay for this development, as well as profit from it, by selling the application. A pirate takes the program, distributes it for free. Yes. He isn't stealing my copy. He is however, STEALING THE MONEY that I would be making from the sale. HOW IS THAT NOT THEFT?
Now, let's try to shut down acta. Write your congressmen and sign the petition.
MOTACJ 3 weeks ago
People without piracy is an angel without its wings. We thrive through piracy. Corruption/piracy connotate an unhealthy society, but in fact they are today central to our liberties, just like racism was several hundred years ago.
MrYahya0101 1 month ago
Rubbish!
The sites are terminated and delinked before going to court findings, only suspicion is required. And you can't counter sue for damages. All than is in SOPA.
JayCKat 1 month ago
The Reddit guy cannot argue for shit.
qtutoringhelps 1 month ago
@qtutoringhelps He's a co-founder of a very popular website, not a debate graduate.
Razer1103 1 month ago
@qtutoringhelps Its not that he can't argue its that the sopa guy is completely wrong but will not let anyone else speak because he knows if anyone else speaks he would be proven wrong. So he trys to shut everyone else up and be the only one talking.
anthrolover100 1 month ago
So much talk about US jobs, but they completely ignore the jobs that will be lost due to mass exodus of the IT sector to other countries, specially cloud related services. No one in their right mind would stay in a country where they are forced by law to deep inspect every single packet and monitor every single activity of every single user, to avoid liabilities, not to mention enforce filtering. Heck, this is golden chance for a non US credit card company to emerge, something from HSBC or such,
freeculture 1 month ago
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SOPA is a bill made to attack the world, and not just the US. Its a terrorist bill and does nothing more than oppress the US as well as pretty much every country that uses the internet. If it passes...it just goes to show how badly the US government is about nothing more than hurting and attacking others and their OWN people. Yes it will affect the US as well, and that old guy is just a bold faced LAIR! What has this world turned into?
freakfreak12345 1 month ago
to some who think whether this only affects foreign sites. it is a fat lie. the section reads any sites which is DIRECTED at a US citizen in US, is a DOMESTIC site. and the section goes on to blocking the domestic sites. so it means, if an US person can access the site in US, it is a target.
MrDempseyroll 1 month ago
If SOPA is passed, this video will be illegal.
DJconquer 1 month ago 15
@DJconquer It kind of already is.... it would just get shut down, rather than staying where it is..
This video is already MSNBC's property, and Moxnews is putting it's label on it... so..
Razer1103 1 month ago
@DJconquer
Dipshit, copyright laws already exist.
In fact, because youtube is a domestic site, this video could be taken down via DMCA which was passed a decade ago.
The reddit guy is full of shit. He basically said this bill is so powerful it will destroy the internet, but not powerful enough to stop any piracy...
ZombieLincoln666 1 month ago
valve FTW
FilmsByMERC 1 month ago 5
"Land of the free"....MY FUCKING ASS!!! If you're thinking of moving to the usa....DON'T! >,>
brownsugarcandie2007 1 month ago
Type in google, and when you go to google's homepage, there will be a petition, SIGN IT PLEASE! They're trying to take away our freedom of speech! Damn them!!! >:{
brownsugarcandie2007 1 month ago
@brownsugarcandie2007 well technically this only applies to copyright infringement so technically you are saying that peoples copyrighted work is your speech?
NeronThe 1 month ago
@NeronThe I'm talking about the net as a whole! With no google, no youtube, no wiki, no fb, no anything, what good is owning a computer, when you can't do practically anything, on it?? I'm saying all of this out of anger, so if anything isn't making any sense, then I apologize!! This whole thing is upsetting me!
brownsugarcandie2007 1 month ago
@brownsugarcandie2007 a computer would be worthless without the mentioned sites but i would like to believe that there is a reason for this piece of legislature to even be argued about at such high levels. i mean its not like they just pick up anything and debate on it.
NeronThe 1 month ago
5:15 Are you sure? because the entertainment business that is the main point of the act has never been profiting more than it has today.
BlendEngine 1 month ago
GO TOO GOOGLE AND VOTE AGAINST SOPA SPREAD THE WORD ON EVERY VIDEO - blackops39098
blackops39098 1 month ago
For anyone who is left confused: It is a FLAT, CONSCIOUS LIE what Richard Cotton said about SOPA only targetting foreign websites AND only targetting sites dedicated to "wholesale" piracy. Ohanian probably didn't slam him on it because it's intimidating to accuse a man of Cotton's status of such a serious lie, or perhaps Ohanian wasn't completely sure about the interpretation. (Keep in mind the best lawyers available offer 'interpretations' of the bill, so it's not a very simple read.)
Bobstew68 1 month ago
what is happening is that capitalism is dying of old age, all of its principles and dogmas are contradicted and destroyed by capitalism itself and by the development of technology, specially information technology. thats whats up.
ElAlexxis 1 month ago
Ok what he means by convinecnce is people DONT WANT TO PAY. You need money for itunes and netfix. But with piracy no money needed. ok
wisher124 1 month ago
And why the usa wants to shut down the web sites that are in other countries? They dont have the damn right to just shutdown any website that is in other country, the website that is in other country is not violating the usa law because is not in the usa! The usa gov is getting out of control and countries needs to tell them to get their balls downs!
ps31871 1 month ago
@izaccy i know the stupid goverment is corrupt because they support more the companies that give them more money and those companies that dont give them money they dont get that much support from the gov, soo usa is corruped too but they give the Sensation that the usa is not corrupt but they are! Fuk the politics
ps31871 1 month ago
just a random question, "Lets say there is a yuhioh game that is only available in Japan, and yet, we Americans would like to buy it, we would have to buy it in Japaneses language, but there are files to download that change the text to english, sopa would stop that because it is copyrighted or because its a form of illegal figuring? there are types of downloads where you can download the game in english? i know my questions are out of wack, but im confused to some extent.
MrSourEater 1 month ago
what and at the end u ask for donations ???? i'm not giving another cent to this fucked up community !!!! (i don't mean youtube)
kayumust 1 month ago
What the stupid ass gov whants to do is to control the damn internet and evreyone would hate the usa more than ever!
ps31871 1 month ago
The stupid goverment whats to support hollywood and the stupid music industry than the major companies like google, youtube, ect.
ps31871 1 month ago
@ps31871 Thats because last year there was a hidden lobbying war, going on
which only few knew about, Government does not pick sides, they work for the highest bidder. this is why Google have started to donate money to politicians,
they are just catching up now. last year Hollywood lobbied for 92 Million dollars
just to get these bills quickly passed and signed, so they could start controlling the Internet. Google and other websites are only starting to lobby now and catching up
izaccy 1 month ago in playlist Flere videoer fra MOXNEWSd0tCOM
So I think that it's about movies and video games is because that is a huge market in the US and they are complaining about a very little amount of profits? Why do rich people need more money?
ChrisWarrior1 1 month ago
How would the US be able to shut down a site that is not in their jurisdiction?
eurosceptic1 1 month ago
@eurosceptic1 they cant so they would just block it..
nosx858 1 month ago
so.... apparently the US own the internet now...
jamesthegreat16 1 month ago
This Cotton fellow is not very good at debating. SPEAK WHEN ITS YOUR TURN MAN
elvishchibi 1 month ago
Is there somewhere we can read those damn acts or an executive summary?
mattstiehl 1 month ago
@mattstiehl
thomas. loc. gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.3261:
thomas. loc. gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c112:2:./temp/~c112t2vOiT::
ReliableInsider 1 month ago
@ReliableInsider
Note that you have to delete the invisible character between the 3 and the 2 in 3261 and the one between the t and the e in temp for the URLs to work.
And remove the two blank spaces in the domain name.
Or just go to thomas loc gov and search for bill numbers H.R.3261 and S.968 .
ReliableInsider 1 month ago
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Freqhopper00 1 month ago
The reddit guy, completely right. I would buy all my tv shows if it weren't for the lack of being able to access them easily, i want netflix in Aus.
MisterFro9 1 month ago in playlist More videos from MOXNEWSd0tCOM
@MisterFro9 AND I WANT IT NOW SO I CAN BUY MY CONTENT >:(
MisterFro9 1 month ago in playlist More videos from MOXNEWSd0tCOM
wrong intrapment comes to mind who made the stuff also let the software out to pirate it.
terrygus1 1 month ago
They shouldn't underestimate cheap people's ability to find free content online. The war on open sharing (so called piracy) will be as effective as the war on drugs, there will always be a demand for free content online, there will always be people cater to that demand.
heavyharpoon89 1 month ago in playlist More videos from MOXNEWSd0tCOM
From what I've seen lately, judges can be bought quite easily, so when he keeps stressing that a judge has to issue a decision, I'm not impressed.
Davetech23 1 month ago
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Freqhopper00 1 month ago
I believe I just saw a NBC manager take over a show and provide his opinion as fact... Richard Cotton is a Fascist.
MatthewBMany 1 month ago 2
Whats wrong with pirating a crap movie---The real crime is when I pay for a a crap movie.
loren1283 1 month ago 2
@loren1283 The crime is THEFT. The numerous people who have worked on the film have mouths to feed and bills to pay.
Freqhopper00 1 month ago
@Freqhopper00 Nobody has a right to my money, they get it by providing value. When they monopolize content and force me to pay to support thier redundant business model- that is theft!!! Im sure the big media houses have soo many hungry mouths to feed, give me a break.
loren1283 1 month ago
@loren1283 No one is forcing you to consume any products, that's a choice you take. With that in mind, you don't want something due to it's inferior value, then why on earth would you want to pirate/steal it? Talk about foot in mouth. Also, you are one of the many trying to justify theft by lumping every single recording artists as some pre payed billionaire, this is jus not the case. Bitternes of people with wealth does not justify theft, nothing does.
Freqhopper00 1 month ago
Ahhh people in congress that have no idea of how the internetz work so sad
SUBinfinit 1 month ago
I think the host needs to work on hes skills to curve those that interrupt other people.
The pro guy basically interrupted successfully several times in this short debate where the attention was turned to him and he, because of hes interruption, got secondary questions and even more airtime while the opposing where not able to even finish their arguments.
Not good hosting.
Lobos222 1 month ago
The Internet wouldnt even work if it was a lawless place.
It is technology people use, its not just people talking via string. Tech wouldnt work without rigid laws like all web page communication goes through port 80... Thats port 80 out of millions, yet everyone agree it should be 80.
The strangling of money to Wikileaks should actually be illegal, not because companies should not be able to pull support, but because there should be different rules when its abuse of effective monopoly.
Lobos222 1 month ago
Fuck SOPA keep on rockin in the free world
gainer2420 1 month ago
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Democrats should consider voting in the republican primaries for Ron Paul, based upon the national discussion it could create for the notion of international Peace and corporatism.
Even if they don't vote for him in the general election.
Do you Really want Newt or Romney to run any risk of being president? Really?
Paul is anti-SOPA.
A nomination for Ron Paul to be GOP nominee at least keeps the possiblity of a warmonger out of the equation.
Plus it irks the neocons.
Premier112 1 month ago
you know whats piracy paying 100 dollars a month to watch commercials.
batchplz1 1 month ago
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Freqhopper00 1 month ago
People still go to see movies in theaters, people still go to see shows in Theatre, People still go to stores to buy video games!! Yet, due to "Vista Anti-spyware 2011(2012)" the rampant virus, I lost my computer due to corruption because Microsoft support wanted $99 for a fix that they have!!! All of the games and music i had are gone, and No-one that i have contacted will re-fund me or allow me to recover copies of what i had! Piracy, as Spain learned in the 1300s you cant stop it!
Grimlokh 1 month ago
2 problems not addressed in this segment. 1. Sites that "Have the potential to link to copyrighted material are targeted and would be shutdown as collateral damage such as Facebook and Reddit. 2. The Bills' Supporters would state that it would only be usable for foreign Sites with foreign ".Addresses." the Piratebay has a US registered ".org" ending and would therefore be "immune." Ignorance? or Just FAIL!
Grimlokh 1 month ago
this guy with the lenses speaks like a gallareta!
cynthiabaudino 1 month ago
LoL at the DMCA! Rofl, man I hate people that no nothing about the net talking about it as an authority.
Theobrothers 1 month ago
Would this registration be able to stop spams in YT comment?
wasantube 1 month ago
piracy is just something business are gonna have to deal with; adapt to the market. They should stop complaining about the fact that the world is changing rapidly.
BroodjeEend 1 month ago
These media giants can employ the letters of marque and reprisal with the foreign websites and leave us Americans alone!
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Fraud is wrong, if you mislead people into thinking a product is of your design when its not. However theft can only be considered theft if a person takes something from someone and that someone no longer has it. And "stealing" potential property (theoretical profits) is not the same as stealing actual property. If we accept that potential theoretical profits can be stolen then everything can be considered stolen using the same principle. IP is just an excuse to sensor information
slickbtk 1 month ago
F**k Hollywood! They don't even contribute or benifietto our Society.
KomaKazii 1 month ago
Is this a debate?
If so debates have changed.
knivesmcgraw 1 month ago
Note to CNN: Fire this little twit! He is a stuttering mental midget.
JohnECocaine 1 month ago
The problem with their new digital solutions like hulu et al. is that they are not available in a lot of countries...
babyraptorjesus 1 month ago
I dont feel bad downloading pirated stuff. They make enough money to feed Africa for 5 years. Fuck them.
meesinblack 1 month ago in playlist Rohkem videoid kasutajalt MOXNEWSd0tCOM
The young guy was right, it is a service problem and "robbing" whole sale doesn't hinder that. Netflix grew and destroyed companies (blockbuster, though it is trying - late in the game) that refused to change and provide better service. Hey asshole VPs, stop telling me what I want and like and know.
KracusOmniax 1 month ago
Yea, the elderly shitbag VP knows the technical implications.....And he opens with jobs..what a shit bag...fuck off
steelbreeze420 1 month ago 9
I'm against SOPA. This said, the House has TABLED this bill 'indefinitely' as of last Friday. This is good news. But this is NOT to say, that this particular bill will not be sneaked into a larger appropriations bill in the future. Incidentally, Google was against this bill also, but what Google is doing with their latest changes in 'personalized' searches is equally preposterous. Read up on this people, because your search results from here on out, will never be same. It's all about $ .
55ella2007k 1 month ago
There is a dangerous trend of accepting one set of rights for Americans and one set of rights for the rest of the world.
HumbleObserver 1 month ago in playlist More videos from MOXNEWSd0tCOM
Also HULU is BLOCKED in CANADA with Rogers..I can't get on hulu.. pay money for isp service (rogers) & All i get is a gov-corporate fascistic partnership Nannying over what i can look at on line! like we're living in fk'n china!
ill318 1 month ago
This interview was a load of shit! Stop Sopa!!!
Would have been nice to have a real debate on the subject. As usual if it smells like a rat and looks like a rat, and it came from any beaurocracy in America, well guess what? its a rat!!!
yourliestopshere 1 month ago
@yourliestopshere Not a 911 truther or anything like that, but just looking at the United States since 911. Capitol Hill has been going full speed ahead on passing laws that could possibly take away our Bill of Rights. Patriot Act, NDAA, and now SOPA, these are all for the elite and just take away the peoples rights. The terrorist attacked us because we are the home of Freedom and liberty, lol, it will pass probably, lol. SOPA is for outside the US, lol
4390100 1 month ago
@dontfwithme2010 he might loose his job after this one...
but al gore over at current tv will pick him up & he'll still be relevant
swisshakilla 1 month ago
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ill318 1 month ago
Yeah, we can see it on Hulu, along with whatever they want you to see. It's still all about money and control over what they want you to see.
TheDisneylover23 1 month ago in playlist More videos from MOXNEWSd0tCOM
Just search Mike Mozart on You Tube Stop SOPA if you want the real truth and history of this action.
ottomadicly 1 month ago
nbc universal blocked one of my videos for a 75 year old song. I had to use one of the youtube sons for my video to be seen by others...
so, yeah nbc universal is very petty. so if they like sopa u should hate it...
swisshakilla 1 month ago
chris hayes, the queer starbucks-dork-glasses stuttering fag of msnbc. totally incompetent, and a real farce to msnbc.
dontfwithme2010 1 month ago
@dontfwithme2010 Wow, you're a hateful little zealot, aren't you?
Z200a 1 month ago in playlist More videos from MOXNEWSd0tCOM
@Z200a read all the comments on all the chris hayes videos that have been put up you will find an overwhelmingly amount of negative comments about the bloody snot. anyone that "likes" him is in the minority.
dontfwithme2010 1 month ago
I dare anyone commenting to link to one web page on the entire internet that you personally find a problem with.
ottomadicly 1 month ago
iTunes and Netflix are doing just fine last I heard. The more you mention pirate sites in the media the more exposure they get. It's a pandora's box - the best thing they could do is leave it alone. I wonder how much traffic was driven to the pirate bay as a result of this report?
rootusercouk 1 month ago
SOPA won't work, I got proxies and loads of other tools ready to make loops around it just in case it goes through. I'll get my movies anyway, get me a way to get movies faster/cheap and I'll use it. If I'll have to buy shitty dvds, you can go fuck yourself :)
(Netflix doesn't work where I live)
VC106893 1 month ago
The NBC guy is out of touch with reality.
rpnp1 1 month ago
@rpnp1 More likely he is simply lying through his teeth because he wants this insane law to pass.
AKSBSU 1 month ago
This host sounds completely lost. His "counter" to the first point basically reinforced and supported his opponent's argument. Fucking moron. The guy who mentioned Valve was far kinder than I would have been. Was this toolbox not aware of what he was going to be covering on his own show? Maybe do a bit of research first so you don't sound like such an idiot.
AKSBSU 1 month ago
The industry is making billions and they want more? I cant believe Im saying this but Issa actually has a good idea.
dragon8me2 1 month ago
who is that fag with glasses hes not too smart is he?
AmericanRebel1776 1 month ago
@AmericanRebel1776 I think it's Ellen DeGeneres
kevlarunderware 1 month ago
@kevlarunderware sure thats not rachel maddow in disquise?
AmericanRebel1776 1 month ago
There are no countries on the net. It's the last bit of freedom on the planet. Death to anyone who fucks with it.
dragon8me2 1 month ago
isnt theft if you wasnt going to buy something anywayand than get fore free, for me this is just marketing if used correctly
menacenorth 1 month ago
You hear what the NBC shill is saying; he doesn't just want the ability to stop piracy. He wants MORE. TV & Film studios are going the way of the horse drawn carriage. They want control while they still have power.
Tell your senator or congressman: THIS IS AN ELECTION ISSUE for you.
YOURINQUIRER 1 month ago 15
@YOURINQUIRER Senators and Congressmen don't care... They are bought off. But i do agree this is all about Dinosaurs in their last throws trying to take as much productivity to the grave with them as possible. Rather then innovate they fight change and hold us all back.
JRMCNEA 1 month ago
That dude who mentioned Valve and Steam was dead on. Since day one the industry has been struggling against the flow of the internet rather than buying into the movement and making jillions of dollars doing so. Every gamer in America has Steam now. Instead of evolving, the dinosaurs are making feathers and fur illegal.
InformationPollution 1 month ago
@InformationPollution I agree 100% with your comment. We use Steam all the time, and have purchased tons of stuff, games etc.
I think this old guy is lying. Why would there be such an uproar if all of this is over sites that are not even ours. He's full of shit.
ionacaddy 1 month ago
this all started with the shut down of Limewire. RIP
fdub301 1 month ago in playlist More videos from MOXNEWSd0tCOM
i love torrents. me and torrents are getting married.
rtardbox 1 month ago 3
Theft is removing a singular item and taking it. Piracy is copying an item and distributing it. That is not theft.
DvineGaming 1 month ago
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Freqhopper00 1 month ago
So what exactly is being stolen.... hmmm... I know... digital copies of music, software and movies... that's all folks..
Movies - studios make crap. Make better movies and theaters (experience) and people will pay to go.
Music - produce better music, make albums like records (with art and collectables) and people will pay.
Software - make software cheaper, better and continually update for legit buyers and people will pay.
IT ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE YOU CORPORATE SCUMBAGS!!
bluesgurugod 1 month ago 19
@bluesgurugod wish i could fave this comment. best thing i've read on YT . i can't , so subed ya.
mrtwelveof13 1 month ago
@bluesgurugod So what exactly is being stolen.... hmmm... I know... digital copies of music, software and movies... that's all folks..
I'm sure that would be your opinion if it were your work being stolen.
Music - produce better music, make albums like records (with art and collectables) and people will pay.
You can't justify theft with quality of product. Unless you're a thief trying to justify your own actions.
Freqhopper00 1 month ago
@Freqhopper00 I know this must be a terribly difficult concept for your mind to grasp... but NOTHING is being stolen. NOTHING.
A copy of a copy is NOTHING.
If a movie studio wants to make money - they must offer SOMETHING. Like gyrating seats, 4D, underwater plasma rays, ferris wheels...
If they want to make MONEY from Discs - they must MAKE THEM WORTH SOMETHING (signed by actors, with color booklets, etc..)
As long as it can be replicated with the click of a button it is NOTHING
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Freqhopper00 1 month ago
@bluesgurugod SOPA is bullshit but your idea that these 3 things need to be made better is flawed. People will still "pirate" them no matter how great or crappy they think it is.
Batman83 1 month ago in playlist More videos from MOXNEWSd0tCOM
@bluesgurugod It's that whole Lose in potential for profits. Warner Bros. makes a movie. Money geeks tell them they should make 200 billion dollars. They make 100 Billion. And they say 100 billion in profits was stolen from them. Granted very few file sharing people are actual Movie bootleggers who are doing it for money but they don't care they lost 100 billion so pass a law. And the thing is this if by people who added no artistic value to said movie. But they want some money so.
JRMCNEA 1 month ago
@bluesgurugod Ya know what's remarkable about technology now? I can spend $2,000 and make a Hollywood quality film, given free actors and a bomb script. The editing software and camera would be the majority of the purchase. Then, I could charge a dollar or less to watch it. By a couple thousand views, it's profit time. Millions of views? Winning!
ChristopherJManess 1 month ago
@ChristopherJManess £2,000 for a hollywood quality film? Are you sure about that?
Freqhopper00 1 month ago
@Freqhopper00 Why not? Jason Tomaric made Time and Again in 2002 with only $2,000 in the Midwest United States, using local resources. Today, it may actually be cheaper.
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Freqhopper00 1 month ago
Your analogy is flawed, if you mug me then that IS stealing because I DONT have the money anymore. IF I copy a file the person I copied it from still has the file.
loren1283 1 month ago
@loren1283 The revenue is lost. What aren't you getting? It's not hard.. Listen if you copy a file you are taking away prospective revenue. Get it?
Freqhopper00 1 month ago
The prospective revenue argument is false, there is no way for you or anyone else to know how I would spend my money without access to shared media. I think I would spend more time fishing instead of watching movies, in that case it actually takes prospective revenue away from my bait shop. Your arguement is only true if you accept the premise that they have a right to all the money you dont spend on thier products. Peace.
loren1283 1 month ago
@loren1283 They have a right to the revenue from the product, the product that you 'share', you're bypassing the essential part of the transaction. If you help yourself to something just because you can, it's still theft. Calling theft sharing doesn't cut it. I'm sure you'd be made up if someone came into your bait shop and 'shared' your bait with none paying customers. Are you getting it yet? They DO have a right to all that money you haven't spent on their products, that you have consumed.
Freqhopper00 1 month ago
I would agree that it is unethical to make money off of 'pirated' things. ie selling dvds of downloaded movies. Cheer up bro, sopa is dead, but the 6 media companies that control everything you see and hear will keep on making trillions of dollars for a long time to come. To me this whole thing is not even really about file sharing, its about control. They want to control the internet the same way they control radio, television and print. The question is should we allow them to.
loren1283 1 month ago
@Freqhopper00 it is not theft. When you read a book at the library, you did not steal the info. But if you read the book online it is theft. download and test and then buy if it is good. watch something when you want, not when some executive wants. Is making a copy of the monalisa the same as taking the monalisa. lol
Ishta5 3 weeks ago
@Freqhopper00 this is not true, I would never pay to see many of the movies I see online, they are not good enough, then I'll wait for it to be free or skip it. experiment: one booth gives away stuff and some other sell stuff, you really think they would be able to get rid of the same amount of stuff, BS.
Ishta5 3 weeks ago
Bycott Hollywood and major publishers. Problem solved.
Epifrin 1 month ago 3
the entertainment industry is lazy
deepfriedchocobo 1 month ago in playlist More videos from MOXNEWSd0tCOM
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.
pindakaas42 1 month ago
people are not going to suddenly start paying for the things they have been downloading, a person whos downloaded thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of content does not have that kind of money to pay for it all.
spacelordmfkr 1 month ago
Sadly, i think eventually they will find a way to censor the internet. If not with SOPA now, a few years down the line, they will find an excuse to pass a law. All they need is some idiot to do something messed up on the net, and they will have a convenient excuse to do so. Just like 9/11 gave them an excuse to circumvent a lot of our privacy rights in the last decade
PlayboiX122 1 month ago
These nazi pigs are going to set this whole system to blow up in their face.
bamboo4tameshigiri 1 month ago
Everyone that believes in IP laws/rights are the real criminals.
They're the ones that claim ownership over my property.
They're the ones that are dictating what I can and cannot do with my computer.
They're the ones that are stripping me of my right to own and control my private property.
AnarchoVoluntaryism 1 month ago
And would any kind of free or paid for access to tv shows, music or films online be possible if the entertainment industry hadn't been forced to do it? They want to reverse history, punish the entire Internet for forcing them to go online in the first place, and make you pay for every frame of film or note of music you might wish to enjoy. The NBC shill never did give a answer to Chris' question as to why the tech companies would be against this.
mw2000 1 month ago
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marialeroux 1 month ago
@swidhelm I own the hardware, the display device, and all other physical property. The arrangement of 1's and 0's on my property is mine. You cannot make it illegal to distribute information. If you do it's merely so people can profit off the monopoly of privilege. It's the evolution business. Adjust your business or die don't make laws to inhibit my own freedom.
Rcwatson83 1 month ago 2
the traffic of the pirate bay declined ? for real?
okomi 1 month ago
"We" don't at all agree that filesharing is a problem, most young people today are appreciative of the technology and benefit from how it (unless the government steps in to kill the internet entirely) will force companies to change their business models in ways that benefit us as consumers.
Krissj100 1 month ago
I wonder how the composers back then in the Classical period didn't sue each other to death with copyright lawsuits lol. Today musicians sell only recordings where the money goes to the record companies, while the musicians themselves only get income from live performances >_>;
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Freqhopper00 1 month ago
UN never banned piracy. So fuck US "law".
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ToeInspector 1 month ago
This isn't about piracy. Lady Gaga, Microsoft, Sony and the porn industry are all doing fine.
This is about censorship.
They want your voice and they want your freedom and they want it now!!!
rplite62 1 month ago 4
5:53 "this analogy of the neighborhood is interesting"... Anyone ever hear of the Communist/Socialist inspired phrase, "It Takes A Village"? The young man goes on to say he pictures it like burning down the entire village. This is a good example of, "collective punishment". Why should customers or citizens be punished collectively for what a few criminals do? Does that not make us all criminals, or responsible to pay for criminal acts? Why should everyone be made suspect & be stripped of rights?
rross27 1 month ago 3
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I agree with, "Why should customers or citizens be punished collectively for what a few criminals do?"
However you compare apples to rocks.
People that pirate are not criminals. IP law enforcers are criminals.
AnarchoVoluntaryism 1 month ago
Reddit actually got Paul Ryan to back down by raising money and donating it to his opposition. We should do the same (I recommend Lieberman; he's a huge supporter). Pick a target, raise money for their opponent, and they'll back off.
jbell730 1 month ago
This fucking NBCUNIVERSAL guy just wouldn't shut the fuck up.
Daydream2142 1 month ago in playlist More videos from MOXNEWSd0tCOM
you can watch on hulu after 8 days when it comes to fox and I have stopped watching fox all together
ewigkase1 1 month ago
Censorship should be a crime
nuggz503 1 month ago 48
@nuggz503 it is...
BOOSTRED 1 month ago
Fuck you all. Piracy is NOT a crime.
thejoolien 1 month ago 33
@thejoolien Of coarse piracy is a crime. But I still don't like SOPA.
Swidhelm 1 month ago
@Swidhelm
Under the law, yes.
Logically thinking, No.
AnarchoVoluntaryism 1 month ago
@thejoolien How isn't it? You're getting free copies of songs that you have to pay for.
pm19914 1 month ago
@pm19914 In other words, copying is not the same as stealing, unless you can somehow prove that by copying a product you're reducing/stealing its value. In fact, copying can increase the value of the product, by increasing its audience/userbase and creating more potential buyers.
Krissj100 1 month ago in playlist More videos from MOXNEWSd0tCOM
@Krissj100 It's still stealing if you get a free copy of something your suppose to pay for. It's like going into a store and copying an album onto your laptop then putting the album back. Don't get me wrong I've downloaded so many albums/shows/movies etc.. for free.
pm19914 1 month ago
@thejoolien How is piracy not a crime? I hate the big media networks' stubborn REFUSAL to get with the times as much as the next guy, but unfortunately they kinda have a point. Original content creators should get paid for the work they do. To download their content without paying them IS stealing. (please don't get into the copying vs theft, I get it)
The problem with SOPA isn't that they're trying to stop piracy, it's that they are destroying the internet to do so.
TheSeventhEnd 1 month ago
@TheSeventhEnd yes original content providers should get paid, and they do. However that is the responsibility of the content providers and their hired help. it is not the responsibility of the government to enforce peoples livings. You cannot steal potential property, you can only steal actual property and if you copy something it is not stealing property because the person that is being copied STILL HAS HIS PROPERTY. theft is only theft if a victim loses actual property.
slickbtk 1 month ago
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@slickbtk The legal definition of theft ' a criminal taking of the property or services of another without consent '.
you can only steal actual property and if you copy something it is not stealing property..
That my friend is laughable, you're overlooking loss of income. How convenient .
Freqhopper00 1 month ago
@slickbtk " yes original content providers should get paid, and they do."
...the definition of piracy means that you aren't paying for it. Which means THEY DON'T GET PAID. I don't give a rip about your definition of stealing and theft. The fact of the matter is that piracy means not paying for the content.
As for the "it is not the responsibility of the government to enforce people's livings." That is actually arguable. Taking content for free is stealing. Stealing is illegal in the US.
TheSeventhEnd 1 month ago
@TheSeventhEnd I'm actually amazed that people have a hard time accepting that theft is theft.
Freqhopper00 1 month ago
@Freqhopper00 I have as hard a time accepting that copying words, files, and media is theft as you might to accepting that using speech, words, sayings and jokes is theft. It is not theft because someone else thinks you are taking POTENTIAL property (profits) from them. It is only theft if you steal ACTUAL property that the victim no longer has
slickbtk 1 month ago
@slickbtk If you copy the file, you are taking away prospective revenue.. it's not rocket science.
Freqhopper00 1 month ago
@TheSeventhEnd well I am arguing principle here not law, of course it is illegal to copy copyrighted things, im not arguing that. I am arguing that it SHOULD not be considered theft. Did you invent letters? words? punctuation? but your using them when you type, did you steal those things? It should not be the governments role to enforce and assist people in making a living. If microsoft doesnt want their software copied then they (as they have) have to come up with ways to reduce it themselves.
slickbtk 1 month ago
@slickbtk Well the letters/words/punctuation quote has absolutely nothing to do with your argument. The government's role sometime's IS to enforce and assist people in making a living. In your world, you would be completely fine with having no laws regarding going into a store and stealing merchandise. "It's up to the store owners to protect their goods!" Well, it's not that way because we live in a civilized world where I don't have to sit in the back with a shotgun 24/7.
TheSeventhEnd 1 month ago
@TheSeventhEnd lol your misunderstanding theft, copying things is far from your analogy of robbing a store lol, it is much closer to my analogy of copying words, letters and sayings. If you need the federal government to enforce your living then your not good at it and you need to try a different living.
slickbtk 1 month ago
@slickbtk that being said, entertainment, music, software, design, clothing etc all rely much more on their own private methods than government methods for making their living and they are among the richest in the world, so I think they are doing just fine without new laws and acts for the government to enforce their livings. It will only serve to sensor the internet and stop the flow of information. The government doesnt give a shit if hollywood makes more money, its an excuse for sensorship
slickbtk 1 month ago
@slickbtk I'm "misunderstanding theft." Tell me this. If I create something. Let's use photoshop for example. I sunk hundreds upon hundreds of man-hours into this project. I plan to pay for this development, as well as profit from it, by selling the application. A pirate takes the program, distributes it for free. Yes. He isn't stealing my copy. He is however, STEALING THE MONEY that I would be making from the sale. HOW IS THAT NOT THEFT?
TheSeventhEnd 1 month ago
@TheSeventhEnd maybe you should have done something else.
loren1283 1 month ago