The problem with the interpretation that state Revelation was not written as future prophecy, is that the book was written long after the death and resurrection of Christ and the fall of Jerusalem. As we see the events of the Revelation begin to take place most likely in the not to distant future, some people will still be in denial, saying "don't worry about this mark with your bank account on it, its not 666, even if you have to accept this leader as God, it's just an easy way to do business"
@WillSee11 Revelation says, which was, and is, and is to come. God was showing John of what always was from the beginning. Many want to believe God was showing John something new. It was new to john, but always was. Therefore, the Revelation of Jesus Christ, "which was." To some of us that have seen the revelation of Jesus Christ know "he is." And for you that are waiting for him to return, know him as "is to come."
Hebrews 11:6 for he that cometh to God must believe that he is.
@1Mazzaroth I have to say though, that with so much dedicated to revealing the events in the times just immediately prior to the coming KINGDOM (which is a physical government) I really wonder how you miss this with your interpretation? Do you believe that Jesus PHYSICALLY rose from the dead? Why is it that you don't see Him coming BACK in Glory and in like manner..Physically?
@WillSee11 2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
transfigured to a spiritual glorified body
1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam (Jesus) was made a quickening spirit.
@1Mazzaroth But when Jesus arose, he was PHYSICAL, he even ATE fish with his disciples. So do you believe that He will return in a physical resurrected form? Do you believe He will have a physical Kingdom on Earth where he reigns from Jerusalem as was foretold by the prophets? How is this world going to be transformed into that kingdom where the lion will lie down with the lamb? It is not that way now, and hasn't been since the time of Christ. This world is still very evil.
1) to change into another form, to transform, to transfigure
1a) Christ appearance was changed and was resplendent with
divine brightness on the mount of transfiguration
2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
If he can transfigure, he for sure eat meats, he walked through walls and became flesh again, in Christ all things are possible
@WillSee11 No, he will not return in a physical form, he is coming in the Glory of the father, the glorified body, in the cloud that received him. At this point I would recommend you take a look at my new video. It will explain some of these things. I know you will find it most interesting with your questions.
The Book of Revelation IS about the end times, and was written for us today. The prophecies of Jesus concerning these events are YET to be fulfilled found in Matt. 24, Mark, 13 and Luke 21. The "Abomination of Desolation" has NEVER been fulfilled as Daniel's prophecy predicted, though Caligula tried when he was emperor of Rome. He was assassinated before this could be done. Caligula 's pagan Obelisk , (Phallic symbol) stands today in Rome in St. Peter's Plaza. The mark 666 is coming. BEWARE!
I'm convinced the seals were opened and that the 144,000 were sealed in the book of Acts (the first fruits). Doesn't the rest unfold slowly. The 7th head of the Beast is ''yet to come'' the Angel says. So it came after John's vision. The 6th head was Rome(''it now is''). The first five had fallen so they were clearly OT kingdoms. So which was the 7th kingdom? And which head(kingdom) was wounded by the sword then later resurrects itself? To me that sounds like Kingdom Israel. Am I wrong?.
@cbasallie let us first make some undeniable observations of the word.
Revelation 12:3 behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Revelation 13:1 a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Revelation 17:3 scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
@cbasallie Revelation 12:3 behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. This is the Devil and the other two beasts or different manifestations of the Devil, but it is still the Devil. It is important to see the Devil as a Spirit, then we can understand the seven heads and ten horns are also of a spiritual nature of the Devil and not anything natural such as kingdoms of this earth.
@1Mazzaroth Agreed that this is spiritual. However the Kingdoms of this World belong to the Devil. He says this to Jesus when he tries to tempt him.
Isn't it possible that since we ''do not wrestle with flesh and blood but with principalities and rulers of the darkness of this wold and spiritual wickedness in high places'' that... a world government can be satanically driven?
@cbasallie Romans 13:1 For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
We may wrestle with principalities and rulers of the darkness of this wold and spiritual wickedness in high places, we have power to bind and to loose even what is in heaven, which brings the kingdoms of this world and the kingdom of darkness under our rule, dominion and with great authority, to show that all kingdoms have become the kingdom of our God by Jesus Christ, through us. But..........
@cbasallie But because many believers are putting the power out there in the clouds someday to return and not see that we are the clouds Jesus is riding upon. These same believers never see the full power of God in this world and see only Satan ruling as now, and in that thinking, they have gave power to the beast and Devil
@1Mazzaroth 1Mazzaroth, we can be ''wise as a serpent yet gentle as a dove''. Recognizing the carnal nature of Satan and how the Satanic spirit is made manifest and effects those who are ''of the world'' .... does not mean we give him our power. In fact those who give power to Satan are actually blinded by his deceptive ways. I believe we can recognize those Satanic devices which the Bible forewarned us of yet... we do not need to be harmed by it since we are ''not of this world''.
@cbasallie It should be that way. If you can see the fullness of his power we wouldn’t be having this discussion. I have seen more believers deceived through interpretation of the Book of Revelation to be a natural event and Jesus is yet to come, which I am sure you believe. You’re deceived already. I am not trying to be rude with you so please don’t take this the wrong way. Not all believers have come to maturity of the Revelation Jesus Christ and this is the deception the Devil plays on.
@1Mazzaroth You misunderstand some of what I'm saying. I am not waiting for his return because I believe his ''coming'' is a reference to death.
This is why I believe he comes as a ''thief in the night''. I still however, believe the Bible reflects the battle between the Spiritual and Carnal Man/World. So for this reason, I believe that Revelation references made to ''people of the world'' are not the same as references made to ''Saints''.
Jesus himself brought about a Spiritual Kingdom for those who believe. Yet, for the unredeemed he became a real and tangible manifestation of Sin. When looking to the cross we see man's wickedness in tangible ways. When looking to God our heart sees the risen Christ.
@1Mazzaroth Interesting. But I still believe that we can see the results of a Satanic Kinddom on the ''people of the world'' while, at the same time....we can believe that this ''powerful kingdom of darkness'' .... is still weak in comparison to our Kingdom of God which is ''within us''.
In other words I do believe some of Revelations may ''play out'' on the unbelieving world.
''all the world will marvel after the beast....whose names are not written''....etc...
@cbasallie Oh, no doubt the Prince of the air of darkness rules the kingdom of men, but the Prince of the air has to answer to God. So no matter what Kingdoms of this earth is ruled by Satan, they all answer to God, thus, bringing the Kingdoms of this world, including Satan’s and any country under his control belong to God. Jesus not only conquered the Kingdom of the Devil at the cross, but of all the kingdoms of this world, by conquering its spiritual ruler and that is Satan. Amen!
@1Mazzaroth True. But as far as the prophecies in Rev. ... for example the saying ''rejoice oh heaven but woe to the earth for the Devil has been cast down and he knows he's days are short'' (paraphrasing). So... isn't it possible that we are reading about the demonic kingdoms and the works of Satan and the fate or unrepentent men. I agree that we who are saved have nothing to fear but...still...wouldn't those prophecies have to do with the unsaved and the demon conrolled?
@cbasallie Jesus said, Luke 10:18 I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Past tense, he was revealing Revelation 12 what he witnessed in heaven before coming to this earth. This was one of the reasons for him coming. John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
@1Mazzaroth Part 2...Satan was cast out of heaven and now he is about to be cast out of this world and into the pit of hell where he belongs. So when it says in revelation “he comes with his entire wrath, for he knows he has but a short time.” He is angry that it will be a matter of time before man begins to give their life to Christ, because of Jesus making that possible.
@cbasallie part 3...So he comes with all deception and what he can to keep sinners from repenting and believers in the dark, that he has been cast out, by feeding off of sinful man and making believers think he is still in control of this world. This is the deception and how believers and people have given the devil power, when Jesus had already defeated him.
@cbasallie part 4...That is why the Devil is a DECIEVER. He can only make one think, and if he can make one think he is still in power, his deception worked and believers begin to feel helpless. So as a man thinks, so is he. This is why we must renew our thinking and receive understanding, because the Devil plays on ignorance and if ignorant than he can deceive or make it look like he is still in power.
@1MazzarothThe Devil has no power over me. The Devil does have power over unbelievers. Satan has workers on earth who still decieve the unrepentant.There are two kingdoms on earth presently There is an ever growing kingdom of Light which indwells the believer as well as a dying kingdom of Darkness which indwells the unrepentent.
Satan's kingdom is ''divided against itself'' and will fall.
That fall, I believe, is in progress and outlined in Revelations
@cbasallie part 2. Are you from NY? Have you been to any ''churches'' in NY?
Apparently the NY churches no longer preach or will even tolerate the belief that Jesus is the ''chosen'' seed of God and we dare not even mention the book of Galatian. We're ''hate filled'' if we don't support the jew as god's ''chosen'' seed and we're ''cursed'' if we don't offer our children as warriors to kill and die for the ''enemies'' of god's chosen.
@cbasallie That is terrible in New York! I am in California. See right there in what you said. It is not satan that has power, HE IS A DEFEATED FOE, period. But here is where Satan is getting his power from, people. Oh Alleluia, I feel the anointing where I am sitting, I am about to jump out my seat. Let me enlighten you, because what I am about to say should touch you. We have been given power to bind and to loose and that is including binding and loosing the Devil. Follow so far?
@cbasallie When a sinner is not in Christ or a believer is manifesting that kind of attitude you describe in New York, they LOOSE the Devil to run a muck!!! The way they believe is caused by the way they think. When they are filled with negative thoughts outside of the true word of revelation, they give power to the Beast and Devil, they loose him where he is bound and he begins to rule again, not of his own power, but because of the way people believe and that is an inward manifestation....
@cbasallie of how one thinks, So as a man thinketh, so is he, Apostle Paul said we serve the Lord with our Mind. You must renew your mind or it will continue to give power to the devil and beast. I have seen demons, ministered to witches and all kinds of people with the dark arts. People sent those things to my house and they did manifest in front of me. But in the Spirit of my mind, if I was not in a place to deal with those things they would have overtaken me
@1Mazzaroth In the beginning of the Book of Revelations the Beast does have the power to kill the Saints. I think this took place in the book of Acts. Towards the end the Beast attacks the Saints but Jesus/Word defends them and gets a victory. I think that is happening today. California? I hear it's not so great in Calif. But I'm talking about NY churches and false teachers. They are so prolific. Bind them? lol....they are ''legion''. I need help.
@cbasallie Now we are talking about the time frame when this took place.
Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
So we know this beast did over come the Saints, I do not deny that. The scripture above tells us the saints were before Acts, even before Jesus came on earth to give us power to bind and to loose. So this beast overcame the old testament saints. Revelation 13 happened way before John ever saw it
@1Mazzaroth The Saints in Revelation are asking God when He will avenge them and they are given white robes and told to wait a while longer while their brethren and followers of Christ are also slain in the same way. Jesus tells the priests in the temple ''I am sending you wise men and some you will kill and others you will pursue etc.'' (paraphrasing).
@cbasallie Man, I was going to make videos on all this, your killing it for me...lol Again time frame those were the old testament saints. Jesus did tell them there will be a time some of you will be over powered, but because of sinful man and not the Devil, oh sure the Devil helps and he can help anybody who dont serve Christ. Do you understand the scripture about submit yourself unto God, resist the Devil and he shall flee. If you dont submit to God, guess who you will be serving.
@1Mazzaroth If you ever come across a devil, send him to me. I have a question for him, nobody seems able to answer. I want to know where this place " hell " is for touristic purposes.
@ndzoko HAHA you know...The Lord has taken me there in hell as an observer. I never felt the torment but I was there. Now, I suggest when you wake you lift your hands toward heaven and pray, "Lord show me hell," and say it 3 times every morning, and ask him every night 3 times before you go to bed, until he shows you. But I would recommend you ask him to take you to heaven for a tour.
@cbasallie lol..Stop that thinking of needing help. You have Jesus and he conquered it all already, see here is where I am trying to elevate your mind to a new and living way in Christ with power. Saul hath slain his thousands, and David his ten thousands. The Lord fought his battles and he does yours, give it to God everyday until you see him move. Amen Jesus already came with 10,000 of his saints to do battle on your behalf. See this is what I am talking about, now go get em killer...Amen
@1Mazzaroth The ''I need help'' was meant as humor. In suggesting that Satan can be bound my position is that there are ''vessels'' of Satan. In NY they are prolific and take the from of false preachers. Everywhere. To bind the works of Satan which take the form of false teaching is beyond my control. It needs to be played out. We were told that ''many antichrists'' are in the world in John's letter. They are. This is why I believe the latter part of Revelations is still playing itself out
@cbasallie Prayer has been proven scientifically, to be 100% ineffective in earthly matters. The effectiveness in spiritual matters cannot be measured. There are no angels, no devils, no hell, no heaven, even no god, or purgatory ,nor nde or esp. unless you provide evidence for it. There is NONE. Untill evidence is provided, it`s all infantilism.
Hi, Good Video... also connect Psalm2 which is clearly explained in Heb1... and the timing further explained in Act13:33. Phl 3:10 that I may know him and the power of his resurrection ...Phl 3:21 who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself. PEACE BROTHER
the rapture was supposed to be on may 21 2011, ( from what harold camping said) now he says that may 21 was a spiritual judgement and the door to Salvation is closed forever and the world will end on oct 21 2011,
@mtzion211 We that see Jesus here, now, have seen the completion of his promise and know that "he is" and those who are waiting for him to return are still seeing him as "yet to come." Their mind still not enlightened with the revelations of Jesus Christ that is being revealed from within our heart and mind (N.C.). Some are still drinking milk and honey (O.T.), while the rest of us are eating the meat (body of Christ) and his blood (New Wine in heaven). For the kingdom of heaven is within us
@1Mazzaroth Amen! You got that right. I appreciate your insight into the truth. I know you are a member of the website and I am looking for some more blog entries and ideas. Anything you would have to add would be welcomed. God bless!
Rev is a little of both. There are yet MANY things in Rev that are still to come. Rev12 is probably the biggest span of time in the whole Bible. And one more thing I would add that many overlook is Rev1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,. John was taken to the Lords day in Rev 1 and had a backward view on the events that consummate this age.
@hillbillybushcraft Thank you for posting. We would have to disagree on this one. I believe that all of Revelation is fulfilled and is symbolic. God bless!
@mtzion211 All of Rev if fulfilled?? So What?? Are we in the Millennium or eternity? Of course I jest. I would hope you know better. The Antichrist that Paul warned of and Christ in Mat 24 has NOT happened and Christ second coming has NOT happened. Not even all the seals have happened not to mention the Trumpets and Vials. It is obvious you have studied much. But you are listening to men and not the spirit. I have heard the Gnostic's try and explain this also, they are WRONG!
@hillbillybushcraft Truth is that I am not listening to men, in fact I am in disagreement with most everyone on one issue or the other. I do believe that all of Revelation is fulfilled. My main difference with full preterism is that I do not coincide the events of Revelation with history. I see the events of Revelation as a snapshot of Jesus and the many things that His death on the cross accomplished. Rev 7-gentiles grafted in, Rev 12-Satan cast down, Rev 21-The New Jerusalem-Church, etc.
@mtzion211 We also see Mystery Babylon (1st century Jerusalem) destroyed. Revelation 5 is a picture of Jesus right after the resurrection. Notice the Lamb as it had been slain receiving all power. Compare this to Matthew 28:18 after Jesus returns to earth. Also if you have time please go over to bibleknowledgeonline and read two articles. The New Jerusalem and The Whore Of Babylon. They both contain much scripture. Thanks again. God bless!
So john was witnessing the past? Doesn't seem like much of a revelation, or a prophecy. These are things which shall "shortly come to pass".
The scripture is fairly clear I believe, it would take a lot of backwards twisting in order to claim that Christ has already returned to judge the living and the dead.
@FillTheirVoid The book is the Revelation of Jesus Christ. You say that the past "doesn't seem like much of a revelation." Revelation is about the past but not the physical past. The Revelation is about the spiritual accomplishments of Jesus Christ at His first coming! In that sense it is the past but nevertheless an important spiritual understanding about Christ. Picture the Revelation as the unfolding of Christ, symbolic. (continued)
@FillTheirVoid (continued) As far as Christ already returned to judge the living and the dead. The timing of Christ's first coming lines up with Daniel as the time of the judging of the living and the dead. John 12:31 "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out." This is Jesus' own statement. Jesus did not come to condemn but to save. With that opportunity came judgment on all mankind, at the cross. The "shortly come to pass" is for another time. GB
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1Mazzaroth 2 months ago
The problem with the interpretation that state Revelation was not written as future prophecy, is that the book was written long after the death and resurrection of Christ and the fall of Jerusalem. As we see the events of the Revelation begin to take place most likely in the not to distant future, some people will still be in denial, saying "don't worry about this mark with your bank account on it, its not 666, even if you have to accept this leader as God, it's just an easy way to do business"
WillSee11 3 months ago
@WillSee11 Revelation says, which was, and is, and is to come. God was showing John of what always was from the beginning. Many want to believe God was showing John something new. It was new to john, but always was. Therefore, the Revelation of Jesus Christ, "which was." To some of us that have seen the revelation of Jesus Christ know "he is." And for you that are waiting for him to return, know him as "is to come."
Hebrews 11:6 for he that cometh to God must believe that he is.
1Mazzaroth 2 months ago
@1Mazzaroth I have to say though, that with so much dedicated to revealing the events in the times just immediately prior to the coming KINGDOM (which is a physical government) I really wonder how you miss this with your interpretation? Do you believe that Jesus PHYSICALLY rose from the dead? Why is it that you don't see Him coming BACK in Glory and in like manner..Physically?
WillSee11 2 months ago
@WillSee11 2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
transfigured to a spiritual glorified body
1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam (Jesus) was made a quickening spirit.
1Mazzaroth 2 months ago
@1Mazzaroth But when Jesus arose, he was PHYSICAL, he even ATE fish with his disciples. So do you believe that He will return in a physical resurrected form? Do you believe He will have a physical Kingdom on Earth where he reigns from Jerusalem as was foretold by the prophets? How is this world going to be transformed into that kingdom where the lion will lie down with the lamb? It is not that way now, and hasn't been since the time of Christ. This world is still very evil.
WillSee11 2 months ago
@WillSee11 Jesus transfigured
1) to change into another form, to transform, to transfigure
1a) Christ appearance was changed and was resplendent with
divine brightness on the mount of transfiguration
2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
If he can transfigure, he for sure eat meats, he walked through walls and became flesh again, in Christ all things are possible
1Mazzaroth 2 months ago
@WillSee11 No, he will not return in a physical form, he is coming in the Glory of the father, the glorified body, in the cloud that received him. At this point I would recommend you take a look at my new video. It will explain some of these things. I know you will find it most interesting with your questions.
1Mazzaroth 2 months ago
The Book of Revelation IS about the end times, and was written for us today. The prophecies of Jesus concerning these events are YET to be fulfilled found in Matt. 24, Mark, 13 and Luke 21. The "Abomination of Desolation" has NEVER been fulfilled as Daniel's prophecy predicted, though Caligula tried when he was emperor of Rome. He was assassinated before this could be done. Caligula 's pagan Obelisk , (Phallic symbol) stands today in Rome in St. Peter's Plaza. The mark 666 is coming. BEWARE!
WillSee11 3 months ago
I'm convinced the seals were opened and that the 144,000 were sealed in the book of Acts (the first fruits). Doesn't the rest unfold slowly. The 7th head of the Beast is ''yet to come'' the Angel says. So it came after John's vision. The 6th head was Rome(''it now is''). The first five had fallen so they were clearly OT kingdoms. So which was the 7th kingdom? And which head(kingdom) was wounded by the sword then later resurrects itself? To me that sounds like Kingdom Israel. Am I wrong?.
cbasallie 4 months ago
@cbasallie let us first make some undeniable observations of the word.
Revelation 12:3 behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Revelation 13:1 a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Revelation 17:3 scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
All three beasts have seven heads and ten horns
1Mazzaroth 3 months ago
@cbasallie Revelation 12:3 behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. This is the Devil and the other two beasts or different manifestations of the Devil, but it is still the Devil. It is important to see the Devil as a Spirit, then we can understand the seven heads and ten horns are also of a spiritual nature of the Devil and not anything natural such as kingdoms of this earth.
1Mazzaroth 3 months ago
@1Mazzaroth Agreed that this is spiritual. However the Kingdoms of this World belong to the Devil. He says this to Jesus when he tries to tempt him.
Isn't it possible that since we ''do not wrestle with flesh and blood but with principalities and rulers of the darkness of this wold and spiritual wickedness in high places'' that... a world government can be satanically driven?
cbasallie 3 months ago
@cbasallie Romans 13:1 For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
We may wrestle with principalities and rulers of the darkness of this wold and spiritual wickedness in high places, we have power to bind and to loose even what is in heaven, which brings the kingdoms of this world and the kingdom of darkness under our rule, dominion and with great authority, to show that all kingdoms have become the kingdom of our God by Jesus Christ, through us. But..........
1Mazzaroth 3 months ago
@cbasallie But because many believers are putting the power out there in the clouds someday to return and not see that we are the clouds Jesus is riding upon. These same believers never see the full power of God in this world and see only Satan ruling as now, and in that thinking, they have gave power to the beast and Devil
1Mazzaroth 3 months ago
@1Mazzaroth 1Mazzaroth, we can be ''wise as a serpent yet gentle as a dove''. Recognizing the carnal nature of Satan and how the Satanic spirit is made manifest and effects those who are ''of the world'' .... does not mean we give him our power. In fact those who give power to Satan are actually blinded by his deceptive ways. I believe we can recognize those Satanic devices which the Bible forewarned us of yet... we do not need to be harmed by it since we are ''not of this world''.
cbasallie 3 months ago
@cbasallie It should be that way. If you can see the fullness of his power we wouldn’t be having this discussion. I have seen more believers deceived through interpretation of the Book of Revelation to be a natural event and Jesus is yet to come, which I am sure you believe. You’re deceived already. I am not trying to be rude with you so please don’t take this the wrong way. Not all believers have come to maturity of the Revelation Jesus Christ and this is the deception the Devil plays on.
1Mazzaroth 3 months ago
@1Mazzaroth You misunderstand some of what I'm saying. I am not waiting for his return because I believe his ''coming'' is a reference to death.
This is why I believe he comes as a ''thief in the night''. I still however, believe the Bible reflects the battle between the Spiritual and Carnal Man/World. So for this reason, I believe that Revelation references made to ''people of the world'' are not the same as references made to ''Saints''.
cbasallie 3 months ago
@cbasallie ....... cont.....
Jesus himself brought about a Spiritual Kingdom for those who believe. Yet, for the unredeemed he became a real and tangible manifestation of Sin. When looking to the cross we see man's wickedness in tangible ways. When looking to God our heart sees the risen Christ.
Two experiences.
Physical for the sinner. Spiritual for the Saint.
You see?
cbasallie 3 months ago
@1Mazzaroth Interesting. But I still believe that we can see the results of a Satanic Kinddom on the ''people of the world'' while, at the same time....we can believe that this ''powerful kingdom of darkness'' .... is still weak in comparison to our Kingdom of God which is ''within us''.
In other words I do believe some of Revelations may ''play out'' on the unbelieving world.
''all the world will marvel after the beast....whose names are not written''....etc...
cbasallie 2 months ago
@cbasallie Oh, no doubt the Prince of the air of darkness rules the kingdom of men, but the Prince of the air has to answer to God. So no matter what Kingdoms of this earth is ruled by Satan, they all answer to God, thus, bringing the Kingdoms of this world, including Satan’s and any country under his control belong to God. Jesus not only conquered the Kingdom of the Devil at the cross, but of all the kingdoms of this world, by conquering its spiritual ruler and that is Satan. Amen!
1Mazzaroth 2 months ago
@1Mazzaroth True. But as far as the prophecies in Rev. ... for example the saying ''rejoice oh heaven but woe to the earth for the Devil has been cast down and he knows he's days are short'' (paraphrasing). So... isn't it possible that we are reading about the demonic kingdoms and the works of Satan and the fate or unrepentent men. I agree that we who are saved have nothing to fear but...still...wouldn't those prophecies have to do with the unsaved and the demon conrolled?
cbasallie 2 months ago
@cbasallie Jesus said, Luke 10:18 I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Past tense, he was revealing Revelation 12 what he witnessed in heaven before coming to this earth. This was one of the reasons for him coming. John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
1Mazzaroth 2 months ago
@1Mazzaroth Part 2...Satan was cast out of heaven and now he is about to be cast out of this world and into the pit of hell where he belongs. So when it says in revelation “he comes with his entire wrath, for he knows he has but a short time.” He is angry that it will be a matter of time before man begins to give their life to Christ, because of Jesus making that possible.
1Mazzaroth 2 months ago
@cbasallie part 3...So he comes with all deception and what he can to keep sinners from repenting and believers in the dark, that he has been cast out, by feeding off of sinful man and making believers think he is still in control of this world. This is the deception and how believers and people have given the devil power, when Jesus had already defeated him.
1Mazzaroth 2 months ago
@cbasallie part 4...That is why the Devil is a DECIEVER. He can only make one think, and if he can make one think he is still in power, his deception worked and believers begin to feel helpless. So as a man thinks, so is he. This is why we must renew our thinking and receive understanding, because the Devil plays on ignorance and if ignorant than he can deceive or make it look like he is still in power.
1Mazzaroth 2 months ago
@1MazzarothThe Devil has no power over me. The Devil does have power over unbelievers. Satan has workers on earth who still decieve the unrepentant.There are two kingdoms on earth presently There is an ever growing kingdom of Light which indwells the believer as well as a dying kingdom of Darkness which indwells the unrepentent.
Satan's kingdom is ''divided against itself'' and will fall.
That fall, I believe, is in progress and outlined in Revelations
I'm in NY right now.
cbasallie 2 months ago
@cbasallie part 2. Are you from NY? Have you been to any ''churches'' in NY?
Apparently the NY churches no longer preach or will even tolerate the belief that Jesus is the ''chosen'' seed of God and we dare not even mention the book of Galatian. We're ''hate filled'' if we don't support the jew as god's ''chosen'' seed and we're ''cursed'' if we don't offer our children as warriors to kill and die for the ''enemies'' of god's chosen.
Satan has workers.
They're preaching to children
cbasallie 2 months ago
@cbasallie That is terrible in New York! I am in California. See right there in what you said. It is not satan that has power, HE IS A DEFEATED FOE, period. But here is where Satan is getting his power from, people. Oh Alleluia, I feel the anointing where I am sitting, I am about to jump out my seat. Let me enlighten you, because what I am about to say should touch you. We have been given power to bind and to loose and that is including binding and loosing the Devil. Follow so far?
1Mazzaroth 2 months ago
@cbasallie When a sinner is not in Christ or a believer is manifesting that kind of attitude you describe in New York, they LOOSE the Devil to run a muck!!! The way they believe is caused by the way they think. When they are filled with negative thoughts outside of the true word of revelation, they give power to the Beast and Devil, they loose him where he is bound and he begins to rule again, not of his own power, but because of the way people believe and that is an inward manifestation....
1Mazzaroth 2 months ago
@cbasallie of how one thinks, So as a man thinketh, so is he, Apostle Paul said we serve the Lord with our Mind. You must renew your mind or it will continue to give power to the devil and beast. I have seen demons, ministered to witches and all kinds of people with the dark arts. People sent those things to my house and they did manifest in front of me. But in the Spirit of my mind, if I was not in a place to deal with those things they would have overtaken me
1Mazzaroth 2 months ago
@1Mazzaroth In the beginning of the Book of Revelations the Beast does have the power to kill the Saints. I think this took place in the book of Acts. Towards the end the Beast attacks the Saints but Jesus/Word defends them and gets a victory. I think that is happening today. California? I hear it's not so great in Calif. But I'm talking about NY churches and false teachers. They are so prolific. Bind them? lol....they are ''legion''. I need help.
cbasallie 2 months ago
@cbasallie Now we are talking about the time frame when this took place.
Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
So we know this beast did over come the Saints, I do not deny that. The scripture above tells us the saints were before Acts, even before Jesus came on earth to give us power to bind and to loose. So this beast overcame the old testament saints. Revelation 13 happened way before John ever saw it
1Mazzaroth 2 months ago
@1Mazzaroth The Saints in Revelation are asking God when He will avenge them and they are given white robes and told to wait a while longer while their brethren and followers of Christ are also slain in the same way. Jesus tells the priests in the temple ''I am sending you wise men and some you will kill and others you will pursue etc.'' (paraphrasing).
That happened in Acts.
cbasallie 2 months ago
@cbasallie Man, I was going to make videos on all this, your killing it for me...lol Again time frame those were the old testament saints. Jesus did tell them there will be a time some of you will be over powered, but because of sinful man and not the Devil, oh sure the Devil helps and he can help anybody who dont serve Christ. Do you understand the scripture about submit yourself unto God, resist the Devil and he shall flee. If you dont submit to God, guess who you will be serving.
1Mazzaroth 2 months ago
@1Mazzaroth If you ever come across a devil, send him to me. I have a question for him, nobody seems able to answer. I want to know where this place " hell " is for touristic purposes.
ndzoko 2 months ago
@ndzoko HAHA you know...The Lord has taken me there in hell as an observer. I never felt the torment but I was there. Now, I suggest when you wake you lift your hands toward heaven and pray, "Lord show me hell," and say it 3 times every morning, and ask him every night 3 times before you go to bed, until he shows you. But I would recommend you ask him to take you to heaven for a tour.
1Mazzaroth 2 months ago
@cbasallie lol..Stop that thinking of needing help. You have Jesus and he conquered it all already, see here is where I am trying to elevate your mind to a new and living way in Christ with power. Saul hath slain his thousands, and David his ten thousands. The Lord fought his battles and he does yours, give it to God everyday until you see him move. Amen Jesus already came with 10,000 of his saints to do battle on your behalf. See this is what I am talking about, now go get em killer...Amen
1Mazzaroth 2 months ago
@1Mazzaroth The ''I need help'' was meant as humor. In suggesting that Satan can be bound my position is that there are ''vessels'' of Satan. In NY they are prolific and take the from of false preachers. Everywhere. To bind the works of Satan which take the form of false teaching is beyond my control. It needs to be played out. We were told that ''many antichrists'' are in the world in John's letter. They are. This is why I believe the latter part of Revelations is still playing itself out
cbasallie 2 months ago
@cbasallie part 2...... but I see your point. I do believe Jesus has sent his angels to battle on my behalf. I believe in the power of prayer. Amen
cbasallie 2 months ago
@cbasallie Prayer has been proven scientifically, to be 100% ineffective in earthly matters. The effectiveness in spiritual matters cannot be measured. There are no angels, no devils, no hell, no heaven, even no god, or purgatory ,nor nde or esp. unless you provide evidence for it. There is NONE. Untill evidence is provided, it`s all infantilism.
ndzoko 2 months ago
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1Mazzaroth 2 months ago
@cbasallie The bible is bulls... from A to z. "Revelation"s is the epithome of biblical bulls...
ndzoko 2 months ago
Hi, Good Video... also connect Psalm2 which is clearly explained in Heb1... and the timing further explained in Act13:33. Phl 3:10 that I may know him and the power of his resurrection ...Phl 3:21 who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself. PEACE BROTHER
bluejeantex 4 months ago
the rapture was supposed to be on may 21 2011, ( from what harold camping said) now he says that may 21 was a spiritual judgement and the door to Salvation is closed forever and the world will end on oct 21 2011,
to me this sounds like a cult leader
1986Lonelyguy 6 months ago
@1986Lonelyguy Thank you for posting! I have read Harold Camping. I do not believe in a rapture. Thanks again. GB
mtzion211 6 months ago
@mtzion211 We that see Jesus here, now, have seen the completion of his promise and know that "he is" and those who are waiting for him to return are still seeing him as "yet to come." Their mind still not enlightened with the revelations of Jesus Christ that is being revealed from within our heart and mind (N.C.). Some are still drinking milk and honey (O.T.), while the rest of us are eating the meat (body of Christ) and his blood (New Wine in heaven). For the kingdom of heaven is within us
1Mazzaroth 5 months ago
@1Mazzaroth Amen! You got that right. I appreciate your insight into the truth. I know you are a member of the website and I am looking for some more blog entries and ideas. Anything you would have to add would be welcomed. God bless!
mtzion211 5 months ago
@mtzion211 I really enjoy being a member of your website.
Thank you
1Mazzaroth 5 months ago
Rev is a little of both. There are yet MANY things in Rev that are still to come. Rev12 is probably the biggest span of time in the whole Bible. And one more thing I would add that many overlook is Rev1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,. John was taken to the Lords day in Rev 1 and had a backward view on the events that consummate this age.
hillbillybushcraft 7 months ago
@hillbillybushcraft Thank you for posting. We would have to disagree on this one. I believe that all of Revelation is fulfilled and is symbolic. God bless!
mtzion211 6 months ago
@mtzion211 All of Rev if fulfilled?? So What?? Are we in the Millennium or eternity? Of course I jest. I would hope you know better. The Antichrist that Paul warned of and Christ in Mat 24 has NOT happened and Christ second coming has NOT happened. Not even all the seals have happened not to mention the Trumpets and Vials. It is obvious you have studied much. But you are listening to men and not the spirit. I have heard the Gnostic's try and explain this also, they are WRONG!
hillbillybushcraft 6 months ago
@hillbillybushcraft Truth is that I am not listening to men, in fact I am in disagreement with most everyone on one issue or the other. I do believe that all of Revelation is fulfilled. My main difference with full preterism is that I do not coincide the events of Revelation with history. I see the events of Revelation as a snapshot of Jesus and the many things that His death on the cross accomplished. Rev 7-gentiles grafted in, Rev 12-Satan cast down, Rev 21-The New Jerusalem-Church, etc.
mtzion211 6 months ago
@mtzion211 We also see Mystery Babylon (1st century Jerusalem) destroyed. Revelation 5 is a picture of Jesus right after the resurrection. Notice the Lamb as it had been slain receiving all power. Compare this to Matthew 28:18 after Jesus returns to earth. Also if you have time please go over to bibleknowledgeonline and read two articles. The New Jerusalem and The Whore Of Babylon. They both contain much scripture. Thanks again. God bless!
mtzion211 6 months ago
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Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou HAST seen, and the things WHICH ARE, and the things WHICH SHALL BE hereafter;
gram914 7 months ago
the revelation of Jesus Christ, not dooms day!
itsallamindgame 7 months ago
@itsallamindgame Amen!
mtzion211 6 months ago
So john was witnessing the past? Doesn't seem like much of a revelation, or a prophecy. These are things which shall "shortly come to pass".
The scripture is fairly clear I believe, it would take a lot of backwards twisting in order to claim that Christ has already returned to judge the living and the dead.
FillTheirVoid 7 months ago
@FillTheirVoid The book is the Revelation of Jesus Christ. You say that the past "doesn't seem like much of a revelation." Revelation is about the past but not the physical past. The Revelation is about the spiritual accomplishments of Jesus Christ at His first coming! In that sense it is the past but nevertheless an important spiritual understanding about Christ. Picture the Revelation as the unfolding of Christ, symbolic. (continued)
mtzion211 7 months ago
@FillTheirVoid (continued) As far as Christ already returned to judge the living and the dead. The timing of Christ's first coming lines up with Daniel as the time of the judging of the living and the dead. John 12:31 "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out." This is Jesus' own statement. Jesus did not come to condemn but to save. With that opportunity came judgment on all mankind, at the cross. The "shortly come to pass" is for another time. GB
mtzion211 7 months ago