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  • This isn't the five rituals. All talk... the fibulatis abuilatus and the bogimatas need to gain an unbalance to create a balnce and 21 is the magic number for todays five rites. LOL.

  • These postures bare only a passing resemblance to the postures explained in Peter Kelder's Book. I have been practising the 5 Tibetan Rites for years; if you want a you tube video showing what the postures are really like and how they should be done, then the video by Flyogi is a good one. I'm sure there are others, but I'm afraid this video is more misleading than helpful.

  • thanks for the tips ive been doing this wrong whole this time

  • To the people who have no clue about 5 tibetan rites and want to try them, look up 5 tibetan rites Peter Kelder. There should be a free pdf of his book which gives you a clear description on how to do them. Do not follow this.

  • FRee Tibet Free Tibet!!

  • Yes 5 rites're excellent practice,

    But remember, it's little help to your rejuvenation without "hypo. breath."

    Colonel Bradford didn't have any knowledge on deep breathing.

    Please learn and practise "hypo. breath." before you have interest in 5 rites.

  • @hopark754 Intriguing!

  • Oh no!

    The movements, motions in 5 rites are to help and promote "hypogastric breathing"

    The 5 rites are one of breathing practice throughout in Orient.

    The slower, deep, continuous, uniform, eventually unconsciousness of breathing. It's the concept of the breathing. For us, the ordinary, 2~3 cycles a minute may be appropriate target in relaxed posture as 1 year achievement, 3~4 cycles while 5 rites movements.

  • Shame, Sarah.

  • LOL this is a joke, do research 1st, dont do it

  • I like your variation of the rites and the visual scenery. Good work!

  • Second and third exercises are really weird. It is interesting to know where they are taken, from which school?

  • Wait, those are more yoga than Five Tibetan Rites! The third one is not correct at all. It can be good for your spine, but it's not really Five Tibetan Rites!

  • I have posted on her blog for her to remove this. It is interesting how ' experts" complicate things so we feel we need their help to guide us through it.

  • can you please remove this. Not the five tibetan rituals. The five rituals is very simple and quick and can be done easily every day. She has made it far too complicated. Go to another site and dont be put off. You dont need to know if its for the chakra, or strenghing the core, or puramanda, gangihopi, or any other nonsense she is coming out with. Flim Flam

  • these are NOT the 5 Tibetans

  • The dog has the better idea- truly Zen puppy.

  • I don't think the Five Tibetans are considered yoga. I learned to do these starting out only three reps per week of each exercise and adding one additional per week until can do 21. However, these are not the exercises as I learned them, but appear to be adaptations that are simpler than the real 5 Tibetans, especially Rite 3 here is not being done correctly.

  • she is 80 yers old!

  • 3rd rite is wrong ! This is not according to the "Ancient Secret of the Fountain of Youth" by Peter Kelder.

  • you did not perform the 2nd rite correctly... wrong breathing... wrong movement!

  • this is messing things up. Do you think you are teaching gym exercises? Go back to that board

  • Yak Yak Yak - what a pain to listen to all that gibberish and laughing. And the moves have nothing to do with the Five Tibetans. Look for the real thing if you want the benefits. And read all the other comments!

  • what the the dog has to do. maybe he will fuck the guy gay .........this don't centre a fuckin asshole bitchning with peter kelder.....PETER KELDER! NAMASTè

  • You're only supposed to do 3 of each to start, and build up by 2 each week until you get up to 21. Teaching this way is irresponsible.

  • kum nye

  • does anyone else get a real euphoric, "flushed" feeling when doing these??

    i notice that my face tingles, mr cheeks go rosy, a vein (or something) just under my jaw seems to make my whole face flush and when i look in the mirror i look really rejuvinated?

  • This is NOT 5 Tibetans - for those wanting the original 5 Tibetans, google the info and see the right postures, or buy the book, and THEN find th right YouTube clips! For those just needing an exercise routine please continue watching this!

  • It is NOT "5 Tibetans"!!!

    Read original text by Peter Kelder.

  • I agree about isn´ t the traditional tibetan rites it is an adaptation similiar to pilates/yoga.

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  • ive watched 4 minutes of this vid and i had enough. No mentions whatsoever at the beginning of the vid that those rites should be done 3 reps each for a beginner.. 21 reps is only at the 10th week, besides i agree with the others, the rites are performed wrong in this vid.. If shes such a good teacher, why isnt she mentioning the right things to do..

  • Maybe the exercises work well for some people but they are not the 5 Tibetan Rites. Call them something else.  MaryseMoerel performs them perfectly, including the breathing. However, the book "Ancient Secrets of the Fountain of Youth" by Peter Kelder is the ultimate resource. It would be a tragedy to practice the rights for years only to realize that you were doing them all wrong, and the true benefits could not be reached.

  • Whatever...this sequence made me feel great. For folks who are supposed to be connected and aware of their energies, we are awfully hung up on what is "right" and what is not. Seriously...lighten up.

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  • CZ:Tak toto video, bohužel nejsledovanější, nemá s Pěti Tibeťany skoro nic společného. Snad jen první a čtvrtý rit trochu připomíná známé cviky podle knihy P. Keldera. Špatně je i dýchání, naprosto bezcenné. Jo a nechte si přeložit titulky, fakt k věci :-))). Doporučuji zde Tibeťany od MaryseMoerel.

    EN: Attention! The wrong information in this video! Nothing to do with 5 Tibetans!

  • super,super, super

  • All of these comments are irrelevant when you consider that this lady is actually 75 years old!!!

  • @thatmomentwhen if she's really 75 years old, I'd say we oughta do just as she does.....and I'd sure like to meet her...We can change what we call them and then, everyone can feel relieved....perhaps...

    AlRespectfully,

    Alex Garfield

  • I am Tubegod 1 these are not any five tibetan rites i know of ... Who is this woman of the Tetons and why is she doing this ... even the dog didnt do a propper downward facing dog! She was scratching the groundiggingdog instead.

  • @FranjoLagani - google some more and you'll find the good ones on youtube also .debalzar is one. two other guys who teach them the original way: goldendawncentre and martinthetrainer. Follow the book and do the exercises the right way. SIMPLE.

  • @THECHRISTMASDEMON - ow yeah!

  • I love that she says "the spirit is to do one more, one more forever"

  • nothing to do whit 5 Tibetans ...she only want s attention please remove this Movie so nobody gets the wrong information ......shame on her

  • This has almost to do with the rites I read about in the book. I watched it to make sure I was doing it correctly and I agree, it is the five Tibetan wrongs.

  • I just read Peter's book last week. I think it's really important to stick to the Rites as he describes them and doing them in the order which he describes. It's much like a doctor prescribing medicine and he tells you to take it for X amount of days and you do it for only half the amount giving you half a result or no result. Peter's information is groundbreaking and comes from a higher order. This is powerful and we must be careful to not be led astray from TRUTH. Namaste

  • @wyvanna - I totally agree.

  • Ditto: The Fountain of Youth (FOY) movements or Five Tibetans are a lot like many energy movements. However Five Tibetans are very specific, done slowly and the breath between each movement is very important. Order the book Fountain of Youth by Peter Kelder. The Five Tibetan movements on the Internet - are Free - Here is the correct instructions and movements. Can not enter link so search: lifeevents org 5-tibetans-energy-rejuvenation­. - The Prosperity Doctor

  • Even if everybody says all is wrong - the video is great, THANK YOU SO MUCH

  • please take the comments here serious, this is not right thank you for sharing but these are not the tibetans they are five ok exercises but they are not the tibetans.

  • There is only one of the ones she does in this video, the third one, that I'm not sure where she got it. All the others are the rites that I know (granted the ones I know may not be the same as Kelder's) or alternative (easier) forms of. The third one reminds me of what I know as a hindu pushup, but that is not one of the rites that I'm aware of. Definitely similar in style. 21 is the magic number. I still wouldn't call this presentation wrong or incorrect.

  • I'm not going to say this is all wrong or incorrect. They are different than the ones I learned/found by Mary Kurus. Some of the ones in this video are the alternative exercises, or other variations. The "original"? No. A variation of, yes. Doesn't make it wrong or less effective, just different. As far as I can tell, Sarah Kline doesn't claim that this is the "original" in any place. Not sure that the one's by Kelder qualify as "original" either. Did the first Tibetan monks do them that way?

  • @TowerKeeperDizze The answer to your question is Yes. The Five Tibetan Rites is the name of a very specific energy movement that Peter Kedler wrote about in his book called Fountain of Youth. There are many wonderful energy movements: Tai Chi, Yoga, and Qi Gong to mention a few. All have many forms and Specific Forms. What we are all saying, not to make her wrong, just to correct or rename her video. It is her version, maybe "Yoga Five Tibetans", however it is not Five Tibetans Rites;p

  • I like this lady very much. She got misled along the way. I hope that she gets corrected properly and continues to teach properly. She herself has such a good presence and attitude about herself.

  • Wrong exercises. This is like a fake!!!!

  • I like the dog!!

  • Not the Original Tibetan Rights. The originals are quite different, She should call these by some other name cause they are just 5 asanas.

  • Proper yoga is not any kind of exercise class where you can make idle chit-chat throughout, the whole point is to overcome that chatter and focus within. Plus these are not the proper thing, the originals are not the same at all.

  • Very interesting. When I was in back therapy, my therapist had me do this exact routine, only skipping the first one. It was a 2 hour workout, and this routine was somewhere in the middle of it.

  • The "5 rites" is not authentic Tibetan yoga. If you want the real deal, look up Trul Khor or Yantra Yoga.

  • @AphroditeOnTop All I hear is this yoga is not the real, and this yoga is better, and this is not the true 5 Rites. Well, nothing against you, seriously, however I will take your advice. Hopefully, someone there won't say the same thing about the system you advocate. Thanks, and the best to you, Frustrated.

    I will say one thing about this though, I have been able to run better, since using this system. Thanks again.

  • DONT READ THIS CAUSE IT ACTUALLY WORKS. YOU WILL GET KISSED ON THE NEAREST POSSIBLE FRIDAY BY THE LOVE OF YOUR LIFE. TOMORROW WILL BE THE BEST DAY OF YOUR LIFE. HOWEVER IF YOU DO NOT POST THIS COMMENT TO AT LEAST 3 VIDEOS YOU WILL DIE WITHIN 2 DAYS. NOW UV STARTED READING THIS SO DUNT STOP. THIS IS SO SCARY. PUT THIS ON AT LEAST 5 VIDEOS IN 143 MINUTES WHEN UR DONE PRESS F6 AND UR LOVERS NAME WILL APPEAR ON THE SCREEN IN BIG LETTERS. THIS IS SO SCARY CAUSE IT ACTUALLY

  • White people who think they understand thousands of years of compiled, secretive, and esoteric knowledge. I think not...

  • @EricRushOSU Congratulations! You won the

    award for being ytube's dumbest viewer.

    I think there is an award for this!

    Good luck, you have brought stupidity to

    a new level!

    "Now go home and get your fuckin'

    shine box!"

  • @fntime

    F U girlfriend!

  • @EricRushOSU Anything you say, Junior!

    Did you pickup your award for stupidity?

    And hey, didn't I tell you to get your

    shine box! You don't listen, cowboy!

    English is not your first language, right?

  • @fntime

    First of all I am black.  Secondly, I had to educate myself because the school systems in the inner city don't cut it. Guess I can thank all you wealthy white people for that one though right? Get a life cowgirl.

  • @EricRushOSU You should be ashamed of yourself! You're stupid comments make you an idiot,I guess a 'black idiot'! Why do you presume I'm white? You're typical of your age group,you can dish it out but you can't take it. I don't believe your black,blacks can take it,and dish it out,you on the other hand want to play the 'victim card' How about this 'victim card' to you, go fuck yourself loser, be a man, you aren't talking to the shmucks, in your school!! Did you get your shinebox?
  • @fntime

    Trolled!

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  • no problem that she is an odinary idiot who never can do anything rightly.they are not only wrong but this is just his own exercises without any power in it.basically he can rename video my own exercises then all is well again:)

  • vagina

  • Yoga today is not what it was way back when, sad to see how people are reinventing Yoga around a lack of real schooling or ignorance, how many new generation teachers do short teacher training of a few months.

    Rite 2, inhale first, then apply throat lock, then lift the extended leg, I did not bother seeing all of this. Do this right or remove the vid and stop putting your own version out there, buy the book

  • As the rightness or wrongness...preposterius. The idea of right or wrong is not dogmatic but what is effective. But i will say that her #3 is in my tradition a variation used for the novice for #5. In our #1 one palm is up and one palm down. In my tradition, we also do rite #6.

  • it seems 274 people like this video and only a minority of 77 do not. i have done the Five Tibetans for 20 years. I have no problem with sarah's method here and her method in the vid seems to be geared to the beginner. A novice should not do these rites too quickly especially rite #1.

  • Thanks for great video... it helped me : )

    Cheers

  • completely different from the book..

  • completely different from the book..

  • Nice girl. Does she swallow?

  • I love all your videos,Thank you for sharing, Namst'e

  • like a rat the scurrys about

  • It is wrong movements you are teaching! Please return to the sorce for the five tibetan rites. Learn them the right way! Have myself teaching this rites for at least ten years.

  • don't mind the pedants-much appreciated-thanks

  • wonderful-thank you-ignore the pedants-you are doing a great service

  • This is terrible. These aren't the Tibetan Rites!!! It's like a beginners Yoga class or something. And wheres the 6th one? Its quite important as far as I'm concerned. Typical of us westerners changing Eastern traditional exercises and arts so we can try and sell something unique. :(

  • It may not be specified, but these appear to be a beginner's version of the rites.

    Once the beginner becomes proficient, they can increase the speed and repetition while tweaking the form.

  • I love the 5 rites thay are also known as the "fountain of youth"

  • @LisaFrequency

    fountain of blood, swet and tears. youth comes after you reborn. haha just kidding

  • I agree withyou. this is NOT 5 Tibetians. At all. Why confuse people?

  • I agree with the 2 following comments. This is all wrong... This is not the 5 Tibetan Rites except for the physical resemblance of the 4th and 5th one. Also and unfortunately the spiritual aspect of this powerful practice is missing. The joking during these Rites seems totally inappropriate... This video should be removed.

  • Ummmm..... That's four, not five. You seem to have skipped one altogether.

  • These are NOT REAL Tibetans...everything wrong specially number 3.

  • I think u have mixed up yoga with the tibetian rites

  • Sarah, this is amazing that you would promote these as The 5 Tibetan Rites and even reference the book. it is only right that you state at the start of this video that these are variations of the 5 Tibetan rites and that you made them up.

  • fuck you and u r too slow.

  • No, No and No ! That's not The Five Tibetan Rites !!!

    Don't follow this video and buy the Kelder Book.

  • Ok I from chile, Im´practicing yoga kundalini two times a week and the other days I see your videos, thank you so much for displaying and doing this videos , yoga its opening me up, and sarak klien thank you for explaning thing in such way that you understand how to do the exersice

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  • @AlmaAdamson

    or even better: thefivetibetans

  • The third rite here is not how it's supposed to be. It's this an alternative?

  • mainstream curruption

  • the breathing is wrong on this video also from the book!

  • does anyone know if theres any videos of actual tibetan monks or trained masters doing the rites? the only vids I can find are white blond females doing them and they don't even appear to be doing it properly

  • I like Sarah, she is a very inspiring teacher, maybe she had her reasons posting a slightly different way of doing this exercises. Just open your mind guys isn't this one of the reasons you are practicing yoga?

  • what's so amazing. we have 134 comments here. And lots of them are by people who do the ORIGINAL 5 tibetans as described in the book by Kelder. The lady never replied to ANY of those comments. And I don't doubt she's a good yoga teacher, but IF she teaches the 5 Tibetans, she should do it the RIGHT way. Somebody suggested to delete this video because the 5 Tibetans are done ALL WRONG. I totally agree.

  • @shanna1950 Wha be so cathegoric. If these practises do good to people it´s agood thing done of her. The commentairies complete the picture.

  • @HIHIMIII56 - as said before, she might be a good teacher, but the 5 Tibetan Rites are NOT the way she teaches them. She could choose to call it something different. Simple

  • @shanna1950 That´s what I ment the info the commentaries supplied.

  • @shanna1950 is there a video that show the correct tibetan rights? And as a person who has experience with these "excersises" what did you get out of them?

  • @shanna1950 They teach them wrong purposely try learning zhen chi to apply in your martial arts.....

  • @Huzar1683 - Teach them wrong purposely??? excuse ME? Let her call it something else. The ORIGINAL tibetans work great. No use to teach old teachings the AMERICAN WAY... Why is it that lots of Western people screw up old teachings? Same with Ho'oponopono. In my opinion this is Very disrespectul.

  • @shanna1950 But she doesnt call it something else. What has in modern times been reduced to a commercially exploited technique of bodily agility and pseudomeditation was once a comprehensive and easily applied form of Self-Realization. I should clarify my meaning.. When I said they teach them wrong... I meant that the elite power structure destroys old knowledge delibrately.. Here we are commenting on the right/wrong excercises while the country is being raped. Now that is disrespectful

  • FAacing dog. That's my problem. Ilove the 5TRites but I sufer from hiathal hernia and I've bee told I can't do this Rites. IS it true? I'd love doing them. Please, can anyone hlep me?

  • THIS IS NOT THE 5 RITES!!!! Terrible presentation.

    with a pro surfer and a pro snowboarder what a shameful way to abuse their success and their network and provide the viewer with something unauthentic and incorrect.

    the poses are incorrect and the instructions are full of words that the instructor is using trying to sound smart and some how more intelligent, which only makes her much less authentic and trustworthy.

  • i heard this stuff is suppose to improve your sex life true?

  • not a doubt in my mind, but i doubt you'll get the full affect if sex is your ultimate drive. who knows though right?

  • Not the main drive i just found that pretty interesting these exercises can improve that too.

  • @juswolf22 Definitely, along with everything else. It's a very good idea to investigate further than this video... for some reason she seemed to be trying to make it seem hard. It's ridiculously simple, we did it when we were children!

  • Go counter clockwise instead of clockwise. Unless you wanna speed up your aging.

  • Where do you get that information from?

  • @alchemist1117 Disregard what I said, I was really high when I wrote it. However I don't believe there is anything wrong with doing the rotation counter clockwise.

  • All wrong! Completely different from the original Peter Kelder book. If you doubt it, just compare it to the book drawings. For instance: Rite #1 needs to be much faster in order to incresae the head vortex speed. Check it on page 23.

    Check also Rite #2 on page 27 and compare it to the video: legs should be streched fully vertical.

  • This is a problem that many students make; thinking there is only one way to do things. There are variations of all exercises; many different Sun Salutations, for example. Get rid of this rigid way of thinking and your practice will be more beneficial.

  • Ok, I'm glad you posted this as It though I was doing it wrong this whole time!

    I

  • YES, YOU ARE RIGHT . IS TOOOO SLOW.

  • @casb10

    there is nothing wrong here

    oping your mind to new teachings

    a true yogi never close is soul

    peace

    F

  • @casb10 Not completely. You move as fast as you can while staring at middle finger, then gradually increase speed. Meditation is nothing without good form. Just like playing a guitar, first we master our technique, then we increase it. Everything starts from a good core technique.

  • @casb10 There are no right or wrong. All exercises need to be adapted to your needs and your mental and physical constitution. If you feel you have to do it exactly as the original, go ahead but don't expect everyone do them that way.

  • @casb10 ... how do you know that these excercises are incorrect and what would be your recommendation to finding the correct one?

  • @casb10 She taught, she shared, do the same so we can experience YOUR knowledge and compare.

  • Very helpful - thanks for posting.

  • EVERYBODY DOES HIS BEST

  • Super comments :-)

  • All wrong...

    Rite 1- WAY to slow,

    Rite 2 - Feet are supposed to go much higher-over the head, legs straight. Hands stay on the ground, pressing.

    Rite 3- all wrong. not even the right exercise.

    Rite 4- close enough

    Rite 5 -INHALE when you jackknife into the V position.

  • How confusing! I got the book in the early 90's and these are all a little bit different. However, it could be that they serve the same purpose. I'm a little thrown off with the breathing being different in #2 and #5, though (aside the the exercises being slightly different.) I've seen her variations, though, in other yoga practices and even in Taoist health practices, so perhaps they all get you to the same result? I'm going to try them her way, too, despite knowing they're not the orig.

  • this is fantastic! absolutely true to the original. everyone should watch this and try it - our life will be changed. excellent!

  • True to the original my arse !

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  • czy ona ma pewnosc co do tych wersji uproszczonych?

  • Sounds more like the The Five Tibetan Wrongs

  • That's what I thought. This is not the five tibetans!

  • absolutely incorret.. There are not "5 tibetan rites"!!!

  • I studied some of the books as well. Everyone has their own interpretation of what they were, but i think they all could benefit you and stimulate your chakras.

  • These are not the five rites which I have taught for years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! please check out other sites

  • amazing result you can get. Been doing these since 2000 and ...

  • these are not the original five rites

  • Velice špatný výdech.... slyším tam přesně ten druh vydechování, který je úplně špatně...

  • slick new age schlock for the six schlockras. want the real thing? search for the original "Six Yogas Of Naropa" not this watered-down pseudo-yogurt. Tibetan Yoga is far more than moving, stretching, posing and breathing. Search for it - find someone who knows it, you will see.

  • Thank you!

  • In book the rites were different...

  • Yes, I was watching this to help me see how the Rites I've been doing for weeks are done by professionals. This is just confusing.

  • again these are incorrect - please do not post incorrect teachings of these very special 'Rites' . You need to learn these from a teacher who knows and understands them . You can read the book by Christopher S. Kilham. Kind of corny but MUCH better then this !!

    These are NOT the " Five Tibetans"

  • any videos of the pure form?

  • Sample of DVD - Five Tibetans Rites - I resonate with these NOT being the correct rites or the correct sequence and it does make a difference, check out the aove sample dvd - five tibetan rites, type that into utube and you will get the real deal x

  • For everyone complaining about these not being the proper rights, please provide links to what are the proper ones. Instead of just complaining, contribute and help everyone out by giving us a basis for comparison.

    We all have a right to our opinions, but we can also help in the process as well.

    (keep in mind that she is performing with professional athletes. I think that alone should have hinted to beginners that this is NOT a beginners exercise. Do what other suggest and do only a few.

  • I think it's important that we practice and teach the rites as they were originally taught. If we begin to teach "our own version" then in time the original five will be unrecognizable. As teachers, I think we have the responsibility not to possess as our own, but to teach ... as it is.

  • you seemed to tuned in, too all this, are you a teacher. I agree with you and your thinking.

  • Yeh, okay so show me the proper ones. Or do I have to pay a c-note for a proper course?

  • In the book "Ancient Secret Of The Fountain Of Youth" by Peter Kelder, the rites are described (along with pictures) in the book. Once you get a feel for them in the book, you will see why these are a little off and maybe be able to find someone doing them correctly. OR.. make one to post yourself? ;)

  • I totally agree !!

  • These are not being done correctly and a new practitioner should NOT start out doing 21 of these. Beginners begin with three reps for first week increasing 2 reps each week until you reach 21.

  • I began doing them 4 days ago and my whole body is aching, asking for forgiveness! :-( the first rite i can only do 6 before i become nauseated. The others i can only do 11 repetitions so far. I´m hanging there, though.

  • Anyone know of any in their opinion of you-just-have-to-view vidoes or books or websites in the yoga, meditation, strength and speed building naturlly or healthiest food, or actually any other being-your-best-type knowledge.

    Thanks For The Help Homies

    Peace

  • ok, i hate to be a snob but these are NOT the correct way to do  or learn the Tibetan Rites. Also you should start with whatever you are comfortable with, on odd numbers, like 1,3,5,7 etc. Not everyone can do 21 .They are very esoteric. They should also be done clockwise, they also have a chin lock. There is NO inchworm? I dont know what the heck she is doing !! There is no childs pose. Oh Boy !! She dosent even talk about the chin lock or the endocrine system !

  • I totally agree.

  • Wy does everyone else bring there legs all the way up on the second rite? Who is doing it wrong?

  • so, you're asking which RITE is WRONG?

    that's funny

  • These are the original rites, anything else is make shift.

  • lovely... by the way, the c or ch in "chakra" is pronounced (kind of) like the ch in charlie, not like sh in shock. Sanskrit has 3 c or ch sounds, all of which sound more like our charlie; the language has 3 s or sh sounds, all of which sound more like sock or shock. cakra or chakra is not one of the s sounds.

  • I'm going nuts.. stupid stereo sound editing.. arrrrr

  • Well, with all the good intentions the lady got lots of things wrong from the perspective of the book she is referring to, Kelder, Peter "Ancient Secret of the Fountain of Youth". The second book created by Peters' followers some time in the 1980's details a lot of aspects and would be useful especially if you get into teaching the rites