drum groove in 7/8

[Hellscream90]

Where did you get the tune ? :D

[naedsukram]

@Hellscream90 I wrote and recorded it myself

[Hellscream90]

@naedsukram Amazing man, I bookmarked you and subscribed. Keep it up !

[daza1989]

liking this one man. very cool.

[miketwo345]

@onzki

The basic groove is this (from a beginner's perspective):

Count it: 1-and-2-and-3-and-4-and-1-and-­2-and-3-and (no pause here! go right back to 1.)

Open hi-hat sizzle on 1.

Snare on the 2, then & of 3, then the second 3.

Play the video again counting that out loud, and it'll make sense. If you get lost, wait for the hi-hat sizzle and start counting again.

Always count while practicing, but eventually it'll feel normal. (Or so I'm told -- I can't play 7/8 for shit...) :-p

[naedsukram]

@miketwo345 good advice mate...I actually wrote and played the other instruments, so the melody on the rhythm guitar was fairly ingrained and no need to count, but generally yes, I also need to make a special effort be aware of where the 'one' is in 7/8, I often don't naturally feel it like like I do 4/4. Parts of this tune go back to 4/4 also. Cheers, Dean

[BuffoonCinema]

He's inside a giant igloo!

[dizyart]

Great groove! first thought there was no bass in it, cause I was listening on my laptop speakers - so I grabbed mine and jammed along - and it was quite exciting. then got my headphones and heard the bass line - I was sad, cause I wanted to record mine over it :D Nice work. Not a lot of people get the movement of 7/8 and think that just counting it is enough. It offers many more options for off-beat emphasis and syncopation and one of those things you should really feel to play. Nice music!

[naedsukram]

@dizyart thanx, good comment. I find some things I need to count but songs like this one, which I wrote myself, the melody is cemented in my head, and I don't need to think about it much.

[mikepa67]

I Love that ride. Video sound is very good....

[scheming8rythem]

about feelin it and counting:

it's a filtered mix of both in most cases, there is a number of ways to mix the groove/beats up, usually when you find an amazing player, they are "just having fun," and the quality of their music is quite apparent. Some off beats can become evan more boring than 4/4 if you can believe it it's really all the same, but it's mainly about haveing fun, what i mean by that is eventually you could count 12th 4ths 16ths beats consecutavely . (spelling in english sry.)

[1874bongo]

the idiot comments on here..are out of pure jealousy! Nice work Dean!

[hjalmar97]

would you reccomend that snare  ? | great playing

[Wrathasyth]

the key is not to count it, just feel it :-)

[naedsukram]

@Wrathasyth that's very true, but it's hard to explain that to someone that is not used to odd time signatures.

[Wrathasyth]

@naedsukram yea i agree but its the same as trying to get a beginner to feel 4/4 time too. Basically... practice :P

[groovevolker]

Great drum work and perfect sound !

[labrax100]

its a basic beat errr so what

[Malpek93]

very nice

[onzki]

wow great playing.. are these among the "advance" beat?how do you guys "see" the count in a groove? I'm just a beginner in drums so i don't really have an idea:D all i know it sounds jazz.. off beat and difficult!

[naedsukram]

I wrote this on guitar, so when I put the drums down, the melody and groove was firmly planted in my head. That's one way of doing it, keep a constant 7/8 repeating theme in your mind, or u can count it as 4/4 then 3/4In the genres of jazz, metal fusion, it's not an uncommon time signature, but in pop music, it's rarely used, just sometimes. People from other cultures find odd time as natural as we count 4/4, depends on your environment, but it can be easily learnt with practise: )

Dean

[KaslarProductions]

1 2 3and4 1 2 3 is how i'm counting this snare on the first 2 on the 'and' also on the last 3

[naedsukram]

snare's on 2, 3+, 7.

[elementfool]

Excellent drumming and your composition is great too.

[rmoise29]

thats a nice groove.plus 7/8 is hard.your awesome!!!!!!!

[jascha13]

drums sound very nice

[daarhebikschijtaan]

Wow very nice drumming and ofcourse a very nice drumkit. I have exact the same drumkit in my room when did you buy yours (mine is from the 80's)

[naedsukram]

Hi,

I bought mine round 2001 second hand, it was pretty new when I bought it...Pearl session series, 10,12,14, 20" kick, I mix it up with my Ludwig kit sometimes, like on this vid.

[daarhebikschijtaan]

I have a Pearl World Series :) it looks the same and it plays great. Thank you for the quick reply

[Gareththedrummer]

7/8 is great! It makes 4/4 seem long and boring!

[deputy1229]

Sounds great!!! I love the challenge of playing in odd time signatures and time changes. Your videos are great. Keep it up.

[lambheartslayer]

Man those drums sound GREAT! Love the snare! I like that the drums are loud enough to hear, but not overpowering, and they have a good amount of depth. Great playing too!

[naedsukram]

Thanks lambsheartslayer,

Yes, you're right, it's hard to mix for video, I wanna have em a bit louder than a normal mix, but not completely dominate.

Cheers, Dean

[toasted2009]

yea, gotta say, nice mixing! ur using heaps of condensors ay

[naedsukram]

Hi Henry,

just on overheads and hats (but there's no lead this time on HH mic) Nice gt solo's btw!

[marconuovo]

Hey Dean,

Checking in on you. You've been busy cooking i see. Nice stuff. Best2 -marcoNuovo

[naedsukram]

Hi marconuovo,

good to hear from you, I apologise for my crap keyboard skills!

Cheers, Dean

When was I cooking?

[davideth]

what kind of snare drums is that?

[naedsukram]

It's an old 'pearl world series' 14" chrome snare

[69adrummer]

FINALLY a drum video I can enjoy watching!

Not to be rude, but some of these kids' videos make me want to jam sewing needles in my ears!

Thanks and your kit sounds killer!!

Drummers do it in rhythm.

[Drummerforlife98]

your drums sound so good!

[naedsukram]

Thanks, a lot of the sound is in the equing, reverb and compression.

[NorrisChuckling]

well 7/8 would basically be twice as fast at the same tempo, if one based the tempo on a quarter note for both. for example, 100bpm on 7/8 would be 200bpm on 7/4, but they would be essentially the same. Pink Floyd's Money, for example, would be difficult to notate in 7/8 because it's already such a slow tempo, and if you wanted to keep the measures short and tight (like in this song) 7/8 is probably the way to go.

[billpeart]

fantastic playing...very enjoyable!

[naedsukram]

thanks billpeart,

Cheers, Dean

[Kitschead]

Hey man what's the difference between 7/8 and 7/4?

[ilovethesechords]

when writing music in 7/8, one would use the eight note to represent one beat.

In 7/4, one would use the quarter note.

[Kitschead]

Yeah thanks, I know that. I was just wondering about the sound of it though. How would I decipher between a 7/4 groove and a 7/8 groove?

[ilovethesechords]

sonically, there is no difference.

[Kitschead]

Are you sure? I think there is. Otherwise what's the point in some songs being written in 7/4 and some in 7/8?

[ilovethesechords]

... it pretty much comes down to the composer's preference.

[naedsukram]

thanx for the explanation.

[69adrummer]

Hey, listen to Lateralus by TOOL (at least the opening part of the song) They have a very distinct 9/8 8/8 7/8 repeating pattern. It's easy to see...or hear!

Cheers!

[naedsukram]

yeah, that song is a mind spin. Sounds like the guitarist and drummer mess round with poly rhythms quite a bit, which helps composing in odd time thru 'feel' rather than counting it. It's a wicked track, thanks.

[Metaldrummer616PDF]

awesome man! I enjoyed it!!!

[gujadra]

relaxin......

[wildbill1240]

man, the tuning on that snare is perfect (it really allows your ghost notes to come through clean). I can actually hear the snares buzzing... well done (the toms, too! very pure sound). Keep it up, talk to you later.

[blackelk]

Nice ..great drum sound is that your studio ?

[naedsukram]

Yeah, it's in my shed, in my backyard, there's a quick video on my channel about it, cheers!