It is not death per se, that Jesus is trying to get ride of. but the fallen nature of mankind. in the end we will all be resurrected for judgement. one in the kingdom of God the other to eternal suffering. given this we can say that evolution and christianity aren;t incompatibale. we just have to understand how to reconcile the too.
The first thing we must do as Christians is to prioritize our beliefs. I am a Christian because of the resurrection of Jesus. now, I am a Christian because there is good evidence for the resurrection and also because of the witness of the holy spirit in my life. I believe in evolution because there is evidence. given that both of these have evidence that supports them demands an explaination. but Christ came to save man from sin, he came to redeem mankind. cont
There is no way that adam and eve existed. I refuse to even capitalise their names. Their children would have to fuck in order to populate the world, then their grandchildren and so on. Incest much? If that was the case then humans would be nothing like what the original humans were like due to genetic mutations, considering you had a pretty good chance of getting it on with someone in your family. O_o
shut the fuck up u ugly kid, your never going to get a girl, your never going to get married and you have no friends. why r u making videos here on youtube about christians, get a life and go to gym class or get ur parents to get u in some sports fucking fugly idiot
@MikaylaStarstuff - Good questions. Personally, I see evolution as evidence of God's creative genius; to me, a creation capable of evolving is more perfect than one that is not. But are you certain that evolution cannot be reconciled with creation, Biblically? I'm currently working on a video about this, and my key evidence is from Genesis, where Cain is exiled by God; Cain protests that anyone who finds him will kill him. Well, Able was dead, and Adam & Eve were to stay put, so who was Cain ta
I'm a Christian and I don't believe in evolution. There is no way whatsoever that the Bible and evolution can work together. If a Christian claims they believe in evolution then they need to read the Bible again and pay very close attention to what their reading.
Evolution claims that death came before sin, the Bible says death came after sin.
maybe idont know because ITS BEEN PROVEN AS A FACT i am a christian and as a christian i do know even if the bible says that didnt jesus say hed return one day yes yes he did so if he gave us his information right now tiny minds like yours who dont believe in evolution would explode
You're right, they don't mix. 2 completely different philosophies. The only question is how you're interpreting the evidence: Evolutionary world view or the exact biblical view which includes a global flood that completely changes EVERYTHING that has been interpreted as evidence that DIDN"T include factoring in a flood that would rip up the earths surface and kill everything (although they had a 120 year warning with a boat built inland so you really can't blame God for people's lack of faith
The Fact that there are so many Conflicting interpretations of the bible should be Evidence that it was made up by Ignorant humans. If a "god" had done it there would be only One Infallible Interpretation.
2) makes no sense after question 1(we agreed that there was no literal Adam)
3) because if you build a complicated system, you make sure it's self-regulating.(and we already agreed on literal creation, so why do you bring it up again?)
P.S: sry, but it's totally like answering a creationist.
Same logic,
you already decided on what you think
and the same "if I'm right, you're wrong" argument.
Before the fall of man, death would only be a dust-to-dust action that is inflicted only upon beings without souls. This would not be evil, rather, it would be part of the natural workings of the physical world, which were not meant to happen to man. When MAN dies, it is evil. When ANIMALS die, it is not.
As a Christian, when the reality of evolution detonated in my mind, it shook me to the core. It kicked the pins out from under me. My legs did not hold me up. I was in a state of horrified fascination. I'm still shaken, amazed & afraid.
religion is the war... if they were the same religion they would have peace ....witch.. religion is write ..dont no but religion controls minds and if you kill the ones that are not your religion then your religion can take over...if there were no religion just the belief in god what ever you call him cus he has a thousand names....then people will share...and talk things out...religion is = crips ..bloods ect..kill for the power of being the majority =money' ..power..respect.ect
Q1: the fall of man doesn't contradict the progression of life itself, because evolution just progresses the physical body and way of thinking while the fall of man refers to not being as spiritually close with God.
Q2: keep in mind that the bible and God are timeless, and eternal. to understand how death could happen due to something that hasnt happened yet, you musn't think in temporal terms.
Q3: you are referring to neo-darwinian evolution where natural processes happen without purpose. this is only one theory of evolution(which is not scientific at times). a theistic evolutionary perspective, would suppose that God set up all of the natural processes exactly how he would want them.
And to add to my previous comment...if you have the almost relentless need to prove things in the bible, then maybe you need to re-examine your FAITH. FAITH is based on my notion that I don't need it to be proven that something exists, I take it on FAITH. Science is not based on FAITH its based on evidence. SO PLEASE STOP THIS ARGUMENT!!!!
The Bible is not and was never meant to be a scientific document....the process of how to make an experiment and prove something was not created till the renaissance in the western world! If Gad had tried to explain the science of his majesty to moses or John or David...their heads would have exploded (not literally). Its a soul saving document, STOP RELATING IT TO SCIENCE!!! thats why its called taking a leap of faith...you nor suppose to be able to prove anything...hence the word faith!
every now and then the holy bible is given out in a new translation for that period of time, and is there any way that this might have been misinterpreted along the course of 2000 years? and how can you trust this modern bible to be accurate with the "human factor" playing in? I'm not trying to upset anyone, for the record!
(3rd post)-and one starts to think more in terms of the intangible/unknown. What I mean is that you will not usually find a person that believes in a literal Garden of Eden, AND believes in Intelligent Design, as of course these theory/beliefs contradict themselves as you undoubtedly are aware of.
-With the points you bring up, there is ususally no problem reconciling these ideas, because on the fundementalist level they are rejected wholesale as hereasy. As you move further towards the moderate side of religion, one no longer tends to think in absolutes, but in "ideals" and in such ideas as "Christ was a good teacher", etc...Absolute ideas such as the inerrency of the scriptures or a literal 7 day creation or that the earth is 6000 years old become less important- (see next post)
To answer all three at once...People think of a religion, such as Christianity or Islam as monolithic, or united in otherwords; that if you you believe in Christ you believe the same as the person in the pew next to you basically. In reality there is practically ZERO unity within a denomination or sect. What you will find is varying degrees of mutual belief and discord. When the discord becomes too great, the church/individual splits off, forming/joining a new sect. See my next post-
I mean FIRST belive that what we know it's true because we have evidence for it. And after that you can wonder about things that there is no knowledge at all.
the biggest mistake is "belive" in evolution and wonder how to make it fit to your faith. NO. Evolution is a fact. There are evidence for it. Chrisitianity is a faith. There are no evidence, there are no real knowledge about God and creation. Even if it's true. We can examine our reality, we can't examine God.
Saying "you cant belive in evolution because the Bible says something" it's like saying "if Bible says X, but we now it's not true - the reality is wrong, the Bible is right"
3) Natural selection as an adaptive evolution cannot be explained either cause we would be seeing people from Alaska growing hair on their skin more than any race, but native alaskans are on the contrary alaskans have little or no arm or chest hair...You tell me since they are livin long over ther Why arent them at least developing some????
My conclusion is Great designer,,,,He is only true,,lets wait for Him to explaining this things in His coming Now lets focus in our spiritual life .
1) Why dont believe of Adam as a whole? like a small town where God have warned those people not to do "something" in particular,,,and then to reverse their spiritual death (death forever) Christ plan was made? (Come to earth and die spiritually and physically for all of us, the descendants of that town)
2) I dont agree with scientist or no one telling me how old is a thing, even earth, there has been tests where scientist have fail to give proper agemm(some od them preposterous!) One time they were ofeering some dry cell not telling them form where it came or nothing,,,they apply all their knowledge and to conclusion they said thta those tissues were more than 1,000 years old,,,,,Well guess what the animal was an octopus and was still living,,!!
Good questions. As a Christian, I will attempt to answer the questions
1) Yes, first humans
2) Bible does say death was brought on to Humans by Adam, and furthermore we think it's Spiritual death, because God said they will die on the same day, but they didn't.
3) I personally think the past teaches us a lesson, I do think God can use natural selection to get us here, but I also think that it could be teaching us a story such as God gives and takes away.
The God of my understanding makes all things simultaneously possible. Evolution fits into the equation, and Evolution is a hard concept to unravel and understand. God, however, gave us brains to use.
You accurately describe Christianity as a narrative. All religions are stories.
My beef is with the narratives that, in better ways than this, say, "This is THE story, and you're fucked if you don't believe THIS story."
Claiming monopoly on salvation smacks of human Pride as I understand it.
if there is no solid proof for evolution, then how do you explain the insane amount of fossils, displayed in museums all over the world, showcasing the, well, evolution from pre-historic animals into the forms they have today?
there is more than enough proof for evolution
so... what's wrong with just saying "evolution did happen and is part of god's plan"?
Believing in the bible and evolution are incompatible. Evolution may be cruel, but that is a reality for our good life. Accepting religion is as simple as believing that beef steaks grow on trees, and that eating them do no harm to animals. But the reality is something else isn't it?
i disagree lightly there. granted, i'm an atheist myself so i don't really know anything about the material but to my experiences, accepting evolution and believing in religion is possible because the vast majority of christian simply state that "evolution is part of god's plan". i actually saw a video where one of those stated that the bible explains why god created everything while evolution explains how. that's a good way for a religious type to accept evolution, i think.
@Timberwolftrass If you believe that, then you have to redefine god as something else different from what the Bible says. Saying that evolution is "god's process" means that a lot that is in the bible is nonsense. Science is only beginning to understand how biological evolution takes place and not something that an ancient text can describe. Perhaps "god" is the laws of the universe to explain why evolution does what it does.
@Timberwolftrass the FLAW in your reasoning is that evolution is NOT just about life. It is about everything that exists in the universe, like all matter and energy. Science is showing that the universe has SELF ORGANIZED, and that all life has self organized, i.e. life forms evolved from simpler life forms etc.. This is the proof that god does not exist, and this is what the christians are all puzzled about.
well, your opinion in all honour but even from my skeptical atheist viewpoint, i just cannot see evolution proving that there is no god. we can't prove that there is a god, that is true, but we cannot prove that there is no god either. the whole idea of god is for god to be this supernatural, mystical force-thingy... whatever.
so basecally a christian could argue that this god created the universe with the ability to self organize itself and to evolve.
@Timberwolftrass Well, I am skeptical that you are an atheist. No atheist worth their salt would come up with a stupid statement that god is around for anything. I could argue that my CAT created the universe and you could not disprove that argument. Don't forget that Christians are atheists too, they are atheist to anyone else's god except theirs.
believe it or not, i am an atheist. however, i can't see any clear evidence in evolution that denies the existance in god. it just shows that genesis is crap, but nothing else. so the debate if evolution proves/disproves god is pointless.
so rather than arguing about this back and forth, getting nowhere, i'd rather try to find a way of evolution and faith to coexist, for evolution to be taught without prejudice and those faithful keeping their faith, making everyone happy.
@Timberwolftrass Many people have tried to reconcile science with religion, but they will separate like oil and water. You may hear that the bible is considered allegory, and that is to loosely avoid the literal text and extract the "wisdom". But the more critical you examine the bible and Quran, you discover that ALL of it is crap. The problem is that religious people like to substitute religious teaching for science, and influence education policy, which is delusion and can do damage.
it could be the atheist in me speaking here but... dude, fuck the bible
if you have to believe in a god or want to believe in a god, well...
my personal opinion is that you don't need to be a member of a church, don't need to pay extra taxes for going/belonging to church and don't need a book to believe in a god.
which is why i am so convinced that both things can coexist without people on either side bashing in each others heads.
If you look at the big bang thery it states there was a compressed mass and then it collapses on its self so an explosion right? well the bible says In the begenning God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was without form and void and darkness was apon the base of the deep then God said let there be light and there was light so if you compare they look extremly similar so i believe my God could of created the universe and us how ever he wanted I am open minded on this. God Bless!
@777christianboy The supposed compressed mass collapsing in on itself ( an implosion), would create a Black Hole and DESTROY everything in sight! Bad start, but GOD may have used a White Hole to create the Material Realm from the Immaterial realm where HE exists, At the Beginning (Time), the Heavens (Space) were made and in it, the (EARTH), before that NOTHING MATERIAL existed!!! Big Bangers START with Time Space and Matter ALREADY in existence! LIGHT is INVISIBLE but reveals ALL , GOD IS LIGHT!
@mikeeboy1000 Your entire white hole comment is pure fantasy.
Also, the stuff compressed in a black hole may be "destroyed' (ie broken apart) but it still exists. It's just super dense. As I understand it, the Big Bang theory holds that the matter was compressed to the point of being essentially pure energy. Beyond that, science has the humility of saying "we don't know, yet".
Religion is made up stories to try and explain the unknown bits. And why YOUR religion? Why not some other myth?
@mikeeboy1000 In the big bang theory time doesnt alredy exist thats why it is called the beginning of time (im not saying i believe in this).
I believe in a literal God whos son jesus Christ died for our sins but all im simply saying is that God could of made the universe however he wanted to with the big bang or with his own two hands. God bless
The whole, Big Bang, Spontaneous Generation of Life, Biological Evolution Scenario, was Dreamed up to ELIMINATE the "God of the Bible" as Creator ! This Imagined Scenario would require vast amounts of TIME, so billions of years was Dreamed up as well! The LIE that this Scenario is a proven fact is swallowed by many including some who claim to be Christian, who then try and fit this Imaginary Scenario into THEIR picture of the Bible! NO COMPROMISE between the two can EVER be supported Biblically!
@rmcdaniel423 Science is Latin for Knowledge! Science is NOT what an Atheistic Evolutionist may care to BELIEVE and have propagated as fact by the Humanists who control the Schools and Media and then Tag and Ban Creationism as Religion! Religion means, TO BIND or BE BOUND, and BOTH Creationists and Evolutionists are Bound by what they believe, simple, BOTH are Religions, but only ONE can be RIGHT! Teaching Children SCIENCE is fine but Biological Evolution from Simple to Complex as fact is a LIE!
@mikeeboy1000 Knowledge is derived from that which has been observed, tested, and for things that cannot be directly tested, at least modeled in a way that coincides with known laws of physical reality. Spontaneous chemical assembly and genetic mutation (the driving forces of life & evolution) have been shown in such ways.
Lies are deliberate falsehoods. Things like myths and stories. Conglomerations of mystical oral traditions, passed down via an old book, fall into that category.
@mikeeboy1000 Consider the concept of "peer review" in science. True science is not respected unless it is peer reviewed. That means when you make a claim, it is subjected to a group of highly educated people who scour through your work with a fine-tooth comb, trying their hardest to find fault and falsify the claims. Scientists who "lie" are eventually caught and ostracized out of the rest of the scientific community.
These are complicated questions. Let me say this: If there is a God, a super intelligent being with the power to create entire universes, then I don't see how it is so hard to accept that he just created the universe and let it run. Look at cellular autamata, we create our own universes just for fun. As for an all loving God, if at the end of the day you are getting eternal happiness, then I fail to see how bearing a little pain in the mean time is amoral.
i find it strange that you refer to adem and eve in this video assuming that there story is fact yet there is no historical docuimentation or proof that they ever exsisted (excluding the bible as this cannot be seen as fact as there is no evidence to back this up) however there is scientific evidence and proof that we can even see today that evolution is correct.
Here's some more figments of human creativity: Ghosts and spirits Sasquach Loch ness Boogie man Fairies Witches Dragons UFOs and ETs Angels Santa If your going to believe what humans believed at an uneducated time then you should also trust all these to be true.
I'm sorry, did anyone just forget just how much proof of evolution there is?? Fucking sheep! If you push a child to be religious, they will grow up to be religious. If you teach a child not to be religious, they will not.
Let people see the facts of the world, don't control them, people have a right to make their own judgements without their reality being tainted by myths.
@shibbyclairex what proof are you talking about? there actually is no rock hard proof for evolution.. Darwin himself said in his book that evolution is just a theory and that it is not entirely true unless you find evidence, which to this day haven't been found.. also evolution contradicts the second law of thermodynamics...
Yes I believe in Adam and Eve thus the crucifixion of Y'shua was valid. Second there was obviously death before Adam becauseG-d threatend Adam with death as penalty for sin not to mention Adam and Eve were vegitarians so death existed that is speaking of man's death, and third the point is it's not Natural Selection, Natural Selection has no contious force behind it there is a difference between Natural Selection and Theistic Evolution
1. how do you make sense of christ having to die anyway?
2. if god exists he created humans to sin and fall from "grace"
3. if god created all species he would be making some species just to be killed off by others later.
you have to remember that if you beleive in the god depicted in the bible you can't limit his knowledge or power, so saying he didn't know what humans would do is bull shit, in other words the bible makes no sense, with or without evolution.
The tale of Adam and Eve was passsed down orally for centuries before it was written, and like most myths, was dreamlike and free of heavy theological metphors until it was analyzed, interpreted and used to promote ideology by later generations. It's funny that there are still people who resist evolution, but outside of an attack on public school teaching every few decades they are easy to ignore and/or ridicule.
(3) I'd say if you don't think God is a God of processes, you haven't the slightest clue about Him. I can't imagine a more humbling, awe-inspiring, creative way to bring forth the miracle of life than through evolution.
(2) This piece of myth is true in the psychospiritual sense. Essentially, Adam is Everyman. And if we, like Adam, choose to view the world as something to lord over, we become increasingly materialistic. Then we come to believe that bodily death = the end. But the notion of death fades as people become aware of a fuller reality of which matter is only a part. I find the story fairly profound.
I'll answer. I'm a Catholic, but I can only speak for myself here. (1) I personally need to know that God loves me to death. My self-image is rooted in knowing I'm infinitely valuable. And I know the same applies to other people.
Religion is bullshit. And its logical and argumented refutal is a pretty easy task to do.
Hence, there is no debate to be had! Any conversation you want to have with religious people about it will be pointless as they will quickly reach a threshold where logical debate will not be.
What is real is what is here within the physical. See the common sense that we are 'all' responsible for what exist here. Stop hiding behind a god that is obviously not 'here' and apply yourself with the principle of equality. All as one as Equal. Self honesty, self forgiveness. Self standing as the other as self is the key.
The old testament is a joke in that it was written by the same group of people who had no concept of modern science, believed that the earth was flat, pi = 3, and a whole host of other completely disproved "facts." As a source for your argument, it's null, and if you tried to use it in a debate against an evolutionist who really knew his/her stuff, he/she would not take you seriously.
Sadly, the christians who answered were not interested in answering your questions. I do agree with you and am an agnostic. Though I can neither prove nor disprove a god's or gods' existence, I can merely say that should one exist, he, she, or they have nothing to do. by the way, great argument against christianity.
If you in fact believe the Bible, then read the 4th commandment. "For God created the heaven, earth, seas, and all that in them is in six days.
Further more do some research on RADIOMETRIC DATING. It is the holy grail of evolution, and it is full of hooey. Things are not as old as some scientists claim them to be.
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
But you made it sound as if it was part of the 4th commandment to believe that God LITERALLY created the earth in those amount of days. You dont see any symbolism or metaphorical value in that at all?
I think that is says this to demonstrate the sabbath for us. To me, its like God creating the concept of time.
Think about it, why would he take LITERALLY 6 days? Could our all powerful God not do it in the blink of an eye?
The answers to these questions are simple with the use of "unaided reason" (closest measure of truth other then mathematics). There is no religious/dogmatic phenomena as described by any text whatsoever. Unaided reason dictates that if (evolution) it looks real and sounds real and acts real, then it probably is real and vise-verse.
Hitler got an entire era of people to believe something. The only reason we call him evil is because he lost (I have Jewish background so don't call me antisemitic). Christianity just happened to have won over Paganism in Rome. That doesn't make it right. Just because most people believe something doesn't make it right. History will show that most popular beliefs are eventually considered wrong. One day Christianity may become obsolete and another idea(hopefully not religion) will take its place
on so yes it may seem cruel- but for us to exist it must have happened how it did.
p.s sorry for the million word script, i would do a video but my camera is dead and if i didnt respond now i would have forgotten.
p.p.s yes i am a Christian, i only use 'he' to refer to God as that is the accepted way of refering to said celestial entity, and i do have a relitively high degree of understanding of the thoery of evolution, the big bang etc.
Personally I see natural selection as not a cruel way of creation, but as a sign of God's absolute love for us: he created millions of life forms, just to lead to us and to create the perfect world for us to live in. Think about it 65000000 years ago if that meteor hadn't struck we wouldnt exist- instead there would be super inteligent dinosaurs, and if the dinosaurs hadnt have existed our mamalian ancestors would have been the dominant specieses and would have been killed by it, the list goes
we have death and suffering before our time. Lol this is hard to explain o_O. So in my belief, as sin is also out of time it affects everywhere on the time spectrum, so the sin of humanity now, for example, would have contributed to the boxing day tsunami, as well of the present and past sin.................. i think.
3: For the world we live in today eveyting that has happened MUST have happened, for a slight deviation would have created an unimaginable difference in the world of today.
1: No, i dont think that the Adam and eve story is meant to be taken literally, and it has only been taken literally in the last 1000 years or so. It was written metaphorically, to show that humans were/could be celestial beings, higher than angels, and yet we turn away from God in our sinful nature. Thus Jesus came to Earth to forgive us of our sin.
2: It is the sin of mankind that caused reprocussions in the past present and future, if God is outside of time, then so must our sin be, and thus
Christianity today is a religious tradition passed down through the ages. Most Christian go to church to worship God. God created the conditions necessary for life to develop and adapt to change. For the one millionth time - evolution does not disprove God. If life didn't have the ability to adapt to change, it would have died out long ago. Would God need to do something stupid in order to prove It's existence? God threw out the dice and let them land where they may. Good throw God. :)
listen kid, evolution is one of the many definitions of the big bang theory the problem with you people is that you dont know what to believe,you all have different accounts on what the big bang theory is and ive taken them from you and made a REAL conclusion, your scared and to really say that rock fragments made me my brian my DICK is impossible,
...which contain ancient cosmologies to communicate the gospel of Jesus. Genesis is not a story about human ancestry, it is not a scientific treatise; It is about so much more (which would take far too long to describe here) but mostly it is about mankind's need for God and God's provision for that need through Jesus. It is not necessary to the gospel that Adam be a literal man.
...Genesis contains an ancient cosmology which we know is not an accurate depiction of physical reality, though it offers a valuable depiction of spiritual matters. Genesis presents a geocentric universe (earth centered) which is an outdated view, however the theological message of Genesis is timeless. Knowing this will help us understand the nature of Genesis and the characters it describes. It is becoming apparent, to me at least, that God is willing to speak through mythological stories...
...Considering that biblical accounts are likely deeply related to these other, older mesopotamian accounts, it is also likely that the share a mythological nature. This is not to imply that they do not contain fundamental truths that lead to the knowledge of Christ, it is only to say that these stories contain theological information, not literal, scientific, historical information. This idea is compounded by a good understanding of the ancient Israelite cosmology...
1. The first 11 chapters of Genesis are consider oral histories. Prior to being written down, they were shared orally, and research is showing that these stories are not isolated to Israelite culture. The Sumerians had strikingly similar stories to those found in the Genesis oral histories that predate biblical accounts by 1000's of years. The Canaanites also had similar creation accounts. Since Abram was a Canaanite, was likely very familiar with these stories and passes them down the line...
Christians who accept evolution are called theistic evolutionist, and I am one of them.
I hope to attempt to answer these questions for you as I understand them. These are not simple questions and the answers are not going to be simple either, but I will do my best. Understanding the answer fully will require some courage, because it will require a paradigm shift from one way of thinking about biblical interpretation to another one. Many people are not comfortable with this. I hope you will be.
Evolution is simply true. So, here are your options for christianity. Bible is litteral, and so false. Or bible is metaphor, and so interpretably true.
But this isn't a false dichotomy, so the bible could also be metaphor and false.
Oh... and thanks for pointing out the problem of evil for me, now I don't have to.
heres something to falsify your evolution , we supposdly came from apes and tad poles, ok write out the ape we have similair traits, now if were thrown in water we'll drown right? WE SHOULDNT! we evolved from a tadpole breathing underwater should be one of our traits, but it isnt.
Your description states that DonExodus's video explains why the evidence "does support" Noah's Ark. The video you linked to says the exact OPPOSITE. Either you misunderstood his video, or you made a typo, or you're deliberately misrepresenting him.
WRONG! Athiests do not try to convert. You are thinking of Christians. And I have many beliefs but your brand of BS is not one of them. As potholer54 said "Do what isay or you will burn in hell forever" is a potent weapon that science can't compete with. Again we are not trying to convert people. We are promoting education, objective evidence, science, curiosity, and truth. To say evolution is false is like saying the world doesn't exist. It's a fact. Christians promote conversion.
I notice something really weird, Why do all you aithiests try and make people that accept religion be aithiests? I mean your getting nothing out of this all your gonna get is a lot of people that hate you and a small amount of people like you which are probably aithiests so please stop your like a pot head trying to get people to start doing pot but a lot more people go for pot then converting to aithiesim, i agree preachers are bad but at least they belive in something.
zmillang, what you are seeing is a response to the push to teach creationism as science in public schools (and similar intrusions). I don't believe atheists are trying to convert others to atheism, rather they are trying to defend science from the whims of the church.
oops heh sorry my little brother is always getting on my account and I actually accept science unlike most christians but my brother dosent and he looks up theese videos to put stupid comments like that
The short answer to your question is this - 1. We are not trying to "convert" you to ANYTHING - we are asking you to be MORE critical of the things you believe. 2. "Atheism" isn't anything more than a lack of a belief in god/s - not specifically your god, ANY god will do. We aren't out to get Christians any more than any other group who choose to believe in things, despite a lack of supporting evidence, and in some cases, IN SPITE of the evidence...
To a previous poster- god is all knowing so he had to create Adam knowing he would damn all humanity. So in essence, that was god's purpose. To the maker of the video, you are right, the god of the bible is invalid. If people read thee bible for what it really is, they would agree. At least a rational person would.
No... sorry. Secular Evolution and anti-realism are not as liberal as Christianity in ability to accept God's truth in every religion. Christianity though is not a religion. It is a transformation: evolution into transhumanity. Postmodernism claims that there are no metanarratives (though that is a metanarrative itself) while Christianity believes that all cultures have been awaiting the truth. Christianity is a tranformation from your core soul outward to the farthest brinks of the universe.
I am a new creature in Jesus, and am becoming more like Him, as He was when He was resurrected. It is Transhumanity, something beyond humanity. Jesus, in the New Testament, was able to walk through walls and do amazing things, which, we will eventually be fully able to do in a natural way. The questions that should be asked should be, rather, how Christianity cannot be compatibilized with Evolution.
What Jesus accomplished on the cross was to allow sin to do its worst to Him, so that we can know the truth and be set free. We can see that we were wrong to refuse friendship with God. We can become fully human again: our rational, physical, and spiritual powers can reach their full potential through what Jesus did on the cross. Jesus says: Behold, I am making all things new. The changes Jesus makes are in a way, the next step of Evolution.
Evil is a parasite of the Goodness of God. Sin is always a corruption of Goodness, not something in and of itself. It is rather, the degree to which something is less than itself. Therefore, sinners are becoming less human and less humane every day that they persist in sin. There is a cure. Restoration. God has never given up on His good creation. He wont just throw the world on the trash heap and start over again. He is redeeming the world for His Kingdom in Jesus.
What about time expanding in a spiral, allowing the possibility that six days and billions of years could mean the same thing? God created a good, death and decay free world in love. He saw that it was good. Adam, created with a self and an open future, chose to rebel against Gods love and best purpose. Sin does not have substance. Evil is not the equal opposite of Good. That is Dualism, which cant in itself work, because there is no Tao to distinguish between them.
Great questions (common from both YEC's and materialists). Here's some possible answers (as concise as I can put them):
1. A literal Adam did exists (probably not the first anatomically modern human, just the first to have the imago dei), 2. The curse brought spiritual, not physical death, 3. No explicit conflict, perhaps implicit but that's for you to prove (this seems like the old theodicy question); animal death not immoral, evolution not truly random, nor is anything from God's perspective.
the only time I remember god demanding sacrifice was with abraham and he never intended for him to follow through. Jesus willing sacrificed himself when he didn't need to. Other parts in the bilbe specifically show that god outlaw human sacrifice done by some hebrews emulating other religions
how I accept evolution is simple, i believe at some point in time, a genetic mutation made a species, a man. When this happened, everything changed, at this point man was made holy, and set above animals. Your question about cruelty of natural selection is rather flawed because natural selection exsists. Period. Natural selection is a concept that anyone can see, the slowest animal will always die, and the quickest animal will always catch it.
heres my idea, the bible is not intended to display scientific events as the were carried out. I believe the bible is a spiritually perfect text, but it was written by humans. Humans, at the time the bible was written, could not have written about a vision of the big bang or any other modern scientific event because they would have been considered radical for purposing such theories. Because of this i believe evolution is a viable theory.
Ok "or any other modern scientific event because they would have been considered radical for purposing such theories". Seriously? But two witnesses in Revelation shooting fire out of their freaking mouths isn't radical? Or maybe Noah? Or how about Christ being slaughtered then living again? Are these not radical and unscientific ideas? If you don't accept and believe all of the Bible at face value, including creation, then don't at all. (Revelation 3:16)
what if god triggered the big bang? what would the bible have said? "In the beginning there was nothing, then extrapolation of the expansion of the Universe backwards in time using general relativity yields an infinite density and temperature at a finite time in the past." ?! no way, thats what i'm saying, we can use science to explain "miracles" that occured 2,000 years ago, because at that time, they would have been miracles with no explanation. God uses science, it's not a tool of the devil!
@jedward4815 and your right science is not a tool of the devil but the bible says god created the earth not god made something that created the earth.
@rebeliousQ -but, hypothetically, if god had created the big bang, he couldn't have said "God began the universe with a big bang" because nobody would have know what that meant. You cannot prove the bible is not simplifying how events took place, in order for ancient humans to understand.
saying something like natural selection is a cruel process and and all loving god would not do that is a very silly statement to make. What about all the references in the bible as god being jelous and sending people to hell for their sins. is that all loving and forgiving?
MikaylaStarstuff When you say, "cruel and arbitrary" referring to natural selection. And you may say, "Well, I am not cruel!" If we are simply bound by these laws, if we simply are these laws, then how are you making a distinction as an observer? You understand what I saying? You are saying, I simply am a product of natural selection, I am these laws. Then you are taking a third person account and say, "Well, I don't agree."
MikaylaStarstuff if you made your video naked, would you feel embarrassed? Would you want to hide from the camera? But why would you experience these ineffable feelings? Certainly, we have gained some knowledge that other primates don't have. Humans are primates, but other primates don't hold elections, they don't have policies, they are oblivious to the world around them. We have a knowlegde of good and evil, the rest of the animal kingdom dosen't. Fall of man
Well it might sound like an argument in your favour from that point of view, but from mine it isn't.
A best friend can be someone you party with. But that same person might also be the designated driver or the one who tells you to stay home and study depending on the situation, whether you like them for it or not. It doesn't mean you made that person up.
And I always love this quote, straight from the origin of the species, even though Darwin was agnostic, he appreciated the beauty natural selection could create: "Thus, from the war of nature, from famine and death, the most exalted object which we are capable of conceiving, namely, the production of higher animals, directly follows. There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one..."
3. The God of the Bible is beyond what we can comprehend, so we cannot use our ideas of 'cruel' and 'good' to describe him. He created thousands of people only to wipe them all out (bar 8 people) in the Flood, he destroyed Sodom and Gommorah leaving only Lot's family alive. What's then stopping Him destroying many species, leaving only a few survivors who have adapted?
DonExodus has a great video explaining why the evidence does support the idea that modern animals evolved from survivors from Noah's Ark. It's called "Noah's Ark and the Cheetah." I will provide a link in the information bar to the right of my video.
The "wiping out" of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the world before "The Flood" were responses to widespread sin. However you can't use this argument to talk about innocent species, without the option of sin, can't have the same responsibility for rebellion against God's love. Species are alive, but humans have souls. Species do not have themselves. They cannot turn into themselves and away from God or otherwise. They cannot be praised or blamed for their actions in the same way that humans can.
2. The Bible uses 'death' to mean two major things, the process of death as we know it, and also "spiritual" death, ie being separated from God, going to Hell etc. Sin brought SPIRITUAL death to men, a way of being separated from God. Look at Paul's usage of the word "death"- when talking about earthly death he uses the phrase 'fell asleep', or 'sleeps' only when he talks of hell does he say 'death' eg the wages of sin is (spiritual) death. ie, separation from God.
1. yes, when God decided man had evolved to a point where he had enough capacity to judge right and wrong and to comprehend God, then he "breathed into him the breath of life" (gave him a soul) and that first "homo divinus" as some people put it was Adam. Adam then sinned etc thereby turning his back on God, so we still need to be saved. Abstract thought, outside of the world we are in is what puts humans 'above' animals.
God is perfect right? But what is perfect? Exactly fitting the need in a certain situation or for a certain purpose. God is what we need Him to be. As for the sacrifices, I believe God came to Abraham to set down His laws and help guide humanity away from it's barbarism.
A very crude outline of a theory - I know - but I'm only allowed so many characters and I figure you wouldn't exactly appreciate a novel.
That doesn't affect the Judeo-christian god in any way that I can see. But aside from that, maybe until now I was refusing to trace God's evolution back to human sacrifice. However, I think I can accept the fact that maybe He did call for such things once upon a time.
Death didn't come into the world with the Fall. Before then, Adam and Eve ate, and eating required death of that which is eaten.
I think that it is the other way round, that a literal meaning of the Fall *denies* the necessity for sin. If it is literal, in what way do the rest of us suffer for Adam and Eve's sin? But if it is allegorical, it is an expression of the fact that try as we might we can't be perfect, and are therefore in need of salvation.
It is not death per se, that Jesus is trying to get ride of. but the fallen nature of mankind. in the end we will all be resurrected for judgement. one in the kingdom of God the other to eternal suffering. given this we can say that evolution and christianity aren;t incompatibale. we just have to understand how to reconcile the too.
lilrat489 1 month ago
The first thing we must do as Christians is to prioritize our beliefs. I am a Christian because of the resurrection of Jesus. now, I am a Christian because there is good evidence for the resurrection and also because of the witness of the holy spirit in my life. I believe in evolution because there is evidence. given that both of these have evidence that supports them demands an explaination. but Christ came to save man from sin, he came to redeem mankind. cont
lilrat489 1 month ago
There is no way that adam and eve existed. I refuse to even capitalise their names. Their children would have to fuck in order to populate the world, then their grandchildren and so on. Incest much? If that was the case then humans would be nothing like what the original humans were like due to genetic mutations, considering you had a pretty good chance of getting it on with someone in your family. O_o
Bradstuffer 1 month ago
Animals go extinct all the time.
superfawful65 2 months ago
shut the fuck up u ugly kid, your never going to get a girl, your never going to get married and you have no friends. why r u making videos here on youtube about christians, get a life and go to gym class or get ur parents to get u in some sports fucking fugly idiot
AKcuracy 2 months ago
@AKcuracy Your comment has nothing to do with the questions in the video.
ApollyonTheAdversary 2 months ago
@AKcuracy dude... calm down. This person was made in image of God just like you and I. BTW, Christians are supposed to act much better than this.
393BMX 2 months ago
@MikaylaStarstuff - Good questions. Personally, I see evolution as evidence of God's creative genius; to me, a creation capable of evolving is more perfect than one that is not. But are you certain that evolution cannot be reconciled with creation, Biblically? I'm currently working on a video about this, and my key evidence is from Genesis, where Cain is exiled by God; Cain protests that anyone who finds him will kill him. Well, Able was dead, and Adam & Eve were to stay put, so who was Cain ta
danielhmanning 2 months ago
obviously the necroncomicon is the only true religion the bible even stole the dagon Samuel 5:2-7
TheKirbyxox 3 months ago
If you are a christian and believe in evolution then Adam and Eve didn't happen.
That means there is no original sin. That means Jesus' sacrifice was useless.
Christians cannot believe in evolution. Undermines the religion.
If does bring up an interesting question.
At what point did the soul evolve?
pchtermino1 6 months ago
OK not to be mean but is this a boy or a girl?
L1GHTNINGB0LT 6 months ago
i totally agree with the message of this video.
thank you for enlightning me.
zulfitareen 7 months ago
I'm a Christian and I don't believe in evolution. There is no way whatsoever that the Bible and evolution can work together. If a Christian claims they believe in evolution then they need to read the Bible again and pay very close attention to what their reading.
Evolution claims that death came before sin, the Bible says death came after sin.
guitardavid79 8 months ago
@guitardavid79
"Religion is the biggest vacuum cleaner ever sold
to the people by the people to rip off people.
Not only religion is man made, it is the root of all evil in the world”.
Zulfiqar Tareen,
the mortal enemy of moses, jesus, muhammad and all pagan gods.
THINK CRITICALLY
zulfitareen 7 months ago
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@zulfitareen You don't know half as much as you think you do.
guitardavid79 7 months ago
maybe idont know because ITS BEEN PROVEN AS A FACT i am a christian and as a christian i do know even if the bible says that didnt jesus say hed return one day yes yes he did so if he gave us his information right now tiny minds like yours who dont believe in evolution would explode
potsticker11 8 months ago
Those so called Christians who have accepted evolution. Are not Christians at all.
How can you claim to be Christian, yet accept evolution.
Utter foolishness.
Cloyde100 8 months ago
You're right, they don't mix. 2 completely different philosophies. The only question is how you're interpreting the evidence: Evolutionary world view or the exact biblical view which includes a global flood that completely changes EVERYTHING that has been interpreted as evidence that DIDN"T include factoring in a flood that would rip up the earths surface and kill everything (although they had a 120 year warning with a boat built inland so you really can't blame God for people's lack of faith
didGodreallysay 8 months ago
The Fact that there are so many Conflicting interpretations of the bible should be Evidence that it was made up by Ignorant humans. If a "god" had done it there would be only One Infallible Interpretation.
jimbocidman 9 months ago
@jimbocidman Your assuming He should've gave us proof, right?
guitardavid79 8 months ago
1) No!
(i. I don't think he came just to die again
ii. why do you think he HAD to die?)
2) makes no sense after question 1(we agreed that there was no literal Adam)
3) because if you build a complicated system, you make sure it's self-regulating.(and we already agreed on literal creation, so why do you bring it up again?)
P.S: sry, but it's totally like answering a creationist.
Same logic,
you already decided on what you think
and the same "if I'm right, you're wrong" argument.
AxEnTiger 10 months ago
To answer number 2...
Before the fall of man, death would only be a dust-to-dust action that is inflicted only upon beings without souls. This would not be evil, rather, it would be part of the natural workings of the physical world, which were not meant to happen to man. When MAN dies, it is evil. When ANIMALS die, it is not.
GuyFawkes501 11 months ago
Pat?
jupitercrash07 11 months ago
God isn't real, religion is a like a virus that is destroying decent people's minds.
stepchangeable 1 year ago
As a Christian, when the reality of evolution detonated in my mind, it shook me to the core. It kicked the pins out from under me. My legs did not hold me up. I was in a state of horrified fascination. I'm still shaken, amazed & afraid.
NeoPsiTom 1 year ago
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religion is the war... if they were the same religion they would have peace ....witch.. religion is write ..dont no but religion controls minds and if you kill the ones that are not your religion then your religion can take over...if there were no religion just the belief in god what ever you call him cus he has a thousand names....then people will share...and talk things out...religion is = crips ..bloods ect..kill for the power of being the majority =money' ..power..respect.ect
1youngrizzal 1 year ago
Q1: the fall of man doesn't contradict the progression of life itself, because evolution just progresses the physical body and way of thinking while the fall of man refers to not being as spiritually close with God.
Q2: keep in mind that the bible and God are timeless, and eternal. to understand how death could happen due to something that hasnt happened yet, you musn't think in temporal terms.
tylermurch 1 year ago
Q3: you are referring to neo-darwinian evolution where natural processes happen without purpose. this is only one theory of evolution(which is not scientific at times). a theistic evolutionary perspective, would suppose that God set up all of the natural processes exactly how he would want them.
tylermurch 1 year ago
@tylermurch not scientific at times?
how do you justify that?
there is indisputable evidence that natural selection happens and that is happens with a purpose.
creidefy 1 year ago
And to add to my previous comment...if you have the almost relentless need to prove things in the bible, then maybe you need to re-examine your FAITH. FAITH is based on my notion that I don't need it to be proven that something exists, I take it on FAITH. Science is not based on FAITH its based on evidence. SO PLEASE STOP THIS ARGUMENT!!!!
rageagnstmachen 1 year ago
The Bible is not and was never meant to be a scientific document....the process of how to make an experiment and prove something was not created till the renaissance in the western world! If Gad had tried to explain the science of his majesty to moses or John or David...their heads would have exploded (not literally). Its a soul saving document, STOP RELATING IT TO SCIENCE!!! thats why its called taking a leap of faith...you nor suppose to be able to prove anything...hence the word faith!
rageagnstmachen 1 year ago
every now and then the holy bible is given out in a new translation for that period of time, and is there any way that this might have been misinterpreted along the course of 2000 years? and how can you trust this modern bible to be accurate with the "human factor" playing in? I'm not trying to upset anyone, for the record!
Dinostra 1 year ago
Holy shit ur ugly.
TiCkToCkMaRiO1473 1 year ago
(3rd post)-and one starts to think more in terms of the intangible/unknown. What I mean is that you will not usually find a person that believes in a literal Garden of Eden, AND believes in Intelligent Design, as of course these theory/beliefs contradict themselves as you undoubtedly are aware of.
quwert23 1 year ago
-With the points you bring up, there is ususally no problem reconciling these ideas, because on the fundementalist level they are rejected wholesale as hereasy. As you move further towards the moderate side of religion, one no longer tends to think in absolutes, but in "ideals" and in such ideas as "Christ was a good teacher", etc...Absolute ideas such as the inerrency of the scriptures or a literal 7 day creation or that the earth is 6000 years old become less important- (see next post)
quwert23 1 year ago
To answer all three at once...People think of a religion, such as Christianity or Islam as monolithic, or united in otherwords; that if you you believe in Christ you believe the same as the person in the pew next to you basically. In reality there is practically ZERO unity within a denomination or sect. What you will find is varying degrees of mutual belief and discord. When the discord becomes too great, the church/individual splits off, forming/joining a new sect. See my next post-
quwert23 1 year ago
I mean FIRST belive that what we know it's true because we have evidence for it. And after that you can wonder about things that there is no knowledge at all.
tajniak4 1 year ago
the biggest mistake is "belive" in evolution and wonder how to make it fit to your faith. NO. Evolution is a fact. There are evidence for it. Chrisitianity is a faith. There are no evidence, there are no real knowledge about God and creation. Even if it's true. We can examine our reality, we can't examine God.
Saying "you cant belive in evolution because the Bible says something" it's like saying "if Bible says X, but we now it's not true - the reality is wrong, the Bible is right"
tajniak4 1 year ago
3) Natural selection as an adaptive evolution cannot be explained either cause we would be seeing people from Alaska growing hair on their skin more than any race, but native alaskans are on the contrary alaskans have little or no arm or chest hair...You tell me since they are livin long over ther Why arent them at least developing some????
My conclusion is Great designer,,,,He is only true,,lets wait for Him to explaining this things in His coming Now lets focus in our spiritual life .
Maratrushka 1 year ago
1) Why dont believe of Adam as a whole? like a small town where God have warned those people not to do "something" in particular,,,and then to reverse their spiritual death (death forever) Christ plan was made? (Come to earth and die spiritually and physically for all of us, the descendants of that town)
Maratrushka 1 year ago
Maratrushka (continuing)
2) I dont agree with scientist or no one telling me how old is a thing, even earth, there has been tests where scientist have fail to give proper agemm(some od them preposterous!) One time they were ofeering some dry cell not telling them form where it came or nothing,,,they apply all their knowledge and to conclusion they said thta those tissues were more than 1,000 years old,,,,,Well guess what the animal was an octopus and was still living,,!!
Maratrushka 1 year ago
Good questions. As a Christian, I will attempt to answer the questions
1) Yes, first humans
2) Bible does say death was brought on to Humans by Adam, and furthermore we think it's Spiritual death, because God said they will die on the same day, but they didn't.
3) I personally think the past teaches us a lesson, I do think God can use natural selection to get us here, but I also think that it could be teaching us a story such as God gives and takes away.
gloriousgod 1 year ago
The God of my understanding makes all things simultaneously possible. Evolution fits into the equation, and Evolution is a hard concept to unravel and understand. God, however, gave us brains to use.
You accurately describe Christianity as a narrative. All religions are stories.
My beef is with the narratives that, in better ways than this, say, "This is THE story, and you're fucked if you don't believe THIS story."
Claiming monopoly on salvation smacks of human Pride as I understand it.
Feistycadaver 1 year ago
Yes, you are correct. if a christian understands his theology he cannot accept any form of evolutionism.
You are incorrect in saying evolution is proven true. Evolutionism is based on serious flawed assumptions and there is no solid proof.
A literal reading of Genesis makes best sense and science (emperical, not darwin evolutionist hijacking science) is in harmony with this -
blessings
Daniel
danielwdstn 1 year ago
@danielwdstn
if there is no solid proof for evolution, then how do you explain the insane amount of fossils, displayed in museums all over the world, showcasing the, well, evolution from pre-historic animals into the forms they have today?
there is more than enough proof for evolution
so... what's wrong with just saying "evolution did happen and is part of god's plan"?
Timberwolftrass 1 year ago
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mysnisouttahandaa 1 year ago
Believing in the bible and evolution are incompatible. Evolution may be cruel, but that is a reality for our good life. Accepting religion is as simple as believing that beef steaks grow on trees, and that eating them do no harm to animals. But the reality is something else isn't it?
Andrewlohbihler 1 year ago
@Andrewlohbihler
i disagree lightly there. granted, i'm an atheist myself so i don't really know anything about the material but to my experiences, accepting evolution and believing in religion is possible because the vast majority of christian simply state that "evolution is part of god's plan". i actually saw a video where one of those stated that the bible explains why god created everything while evolution explains how. that's a good way for a religious type to accept evolution, i think.
Timberwolftrass 1 year ago
@Timberwolftrass If you believe that, then you have to redefine god as something else different from what the Bible says. Saying that evolution is "god's process" means that a lot that is in the bible is nonsense. Science is only beginning to understand how biological evolution takes place and not something that an ancient text can describe. Perhaps "god" is the laws of the universe to explain why evolution does what it does.
Andrewlohbihler 1 year ago
@Andrewlohbihler
well, the bible is a work of interpretation to begin with so i guess it all boils down on how the religious type interprets the bible.
the result however remains the same. evolution does not prove there is no god. it just explains how life works, no more no less.
which has puzzled, sometimes even baffled, on why some christians have such a darned issue with it.
Timberwolftrass 1 year ago
@Timberwolftrass the FLAW in your reasoning is that evolution is NOT just about life. It is about everything that exists in the universe, like all matter and energy. Science is showing that the universe has SELF ORGANIZED, and that all life has self organized, i.e. life forms evolved from simpler life forms etc.. This is the proof that god does not exist, and this is what the christians are all puzzled about.
Andrewlohbihler 1 year ago
@Andrewlohbihler
well, your opinion in all honour but even from my skeptical atheist viewpoint, i just cannot see evolution proving that there is no god. we can't prove that there is a god, that is true, but we cannot prove that there is no god either. the whole idea of god is for god to be this supernatural, mystical force-thingy... whatever.
so basecally a christian could argue that this god created the universe with the ability to self organize itself and to evolve.
Timberwolftrass 1 year ago
@Timberwolftrass Well, I am skeptical that you are an atheist. No atheist worth their salt would come up with a stupid statement that god is around for anything. I could argue that my CAT created the universe and you could not disprove that argument. Don't forget that Christians are atheists too, they are atheist to anyone else's god except theirs.
Andrewlohbihler 1 year ago
@Andrewlohbihler
believe it or not, i am an atheist. however, i can't see any clear evidence in evolution that denies the existance in god. it just shows that genesis is crap, but nothing else. so the debate if evolution proves/disproves god is pointless.
so rather than arguing about this back and forth, getting nowhere, i'd rather try to find a way of evolution and faith to coexist, for evolution to be taught without prejudice and those faithful keeping their faith, making everyone happy.
Timberwolftrass 1 year ago
@Timberwolftrass Many people have tried to reconcile science with religion, but they will separate like oil and water. You may hear that the bible is considered allegory, and that is to loosely avoid the literal text and extract the "wisdom". But the more critical you examine the bible and Quran, you discover that ALL of it is crap. The problem is that religious people like to substitute religious teaching for science, and influence education policy, which is delusion and can do damage.
Andrewlohbihler 1 year ago
@Andrewlohbihler
it could be the atheist in me speaking here but... dude, fuck the bible
if you have to believe in a god or want to believe in a god, well...
my personal opinion is that you don't need to be a member of a church, don't need to pay extra taxes for going/belonging to church and don't need a book to believe in a god.
which is why i am so convinced that both things can coexist without people on either side bashing in each others heads.
Timberwolftrass 1 year ago
Next time turn off your fucking fan.
Andrewlohbihler 1 year ago
Great Video. On a completely unrelated point you're t-shirt is hot.
RandlesBear 1 year ago
If you look at the big bang thery it states there was a compressed mass and then it collapses on its self so an explosion right? well the bible says In the begenning God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was without form and void and darkness was apon the base of the deep then God said let there be light and there was light so if you compare they look extremly similar so i believe my God could of created the universe and us how ever he wanted I am open minded on this. God Bless!
777christianboy 1 year ago
@777christianboy The supposed compressed mass collapsing in on itself ( an implosion), would create a Black Hole and DESTROY everything in sight! Bad start, but GOD may have used a White Hole to create the Material Realm from the Immaterial realm where HE exists, At the Beginning (Time), the Heavens (Space) were made and in it, the (EARTH), before that NOTHING MATERIAL existed!!! Big Bangers START with Time Space and Matter ALREADY in existence! LIGHT is INVISIBLE but reveals ALL , GOD IS LIGHT!
mikeeboy1000 1 year ago
@mikeeboy1000 Your entire white hole comment is pure fantasy.
Also, the stuff compressed in a black hole may be "destroyed' (ie broken apart) but it still exists. It's just super dense. As I understand it, the Big Bang theory holds that the matter was compressed to the point of being essentially pure energy. Beyond that, science has the humility of saying "we don't know, yet".
Religion is made up stories to try and explain the unknown bits. And why YOUR religion? Why not some other myth?
rmcdaniel423 1 year ago
@mikeeboy1000 In the big bang theory time doesnt alredy exist thats why it is called the beginning of time (im not saying i believe in this).
I believe in a literal God whos son jesus Christ died for our sins but all im simply saying is that God could of made the universe however he wanted to with the big bang or with his own two hands. God bless
777christianboy 1 year ago
The whole, Big Bang, Spontaneous Generation of Life, Biological Evolution Scenario, was Dreamed up to ELIMINATE the "God of the Bible" as Creator ! This Imagined Scenario would require vast amounts of TIME, so billions of years was Dreamed up as well! The LIE that this Scenario is a proven fact is swallowed by many including some who claim to be Christian, who then try and fit this Imaginary Scenario into THEIR picture of the Bible! NO COMPROMISE between the two can EVER be supported Biblically!
mikeeboy1000 1 year ago
@mikeeboy1000 Your view of science is that it is all just a "dreamed up . . . LIE" in order to refute the bible?!?
SERIOUSLY?!?
That's not just ignorant. Simple ignorance can be forgiven. A belief such as that is DELIBERATELY ignorant and slanderous of the reality of science.
Shameful.
rmcdaniel423 1 year ago
@rmcdaniel423 Science is Latin for Knowledge! Science is NOT what an Atheistic Evolutionist may care to BELIEVE and have propagated as fact by the Humanists who control the Schools and Media and then Tag and Ban Creationism as Religion! Religion means, TO BIND or BE BOUND, and BOTH Creationists and Evolutionists are Bound by what they believe, simple, BOTH are Religions, but only ONE can be RIGHT! Teaching Children SCIENCE is fine but Biological Evolution from Simple to Complex as fact is a LIE!
mikeeboy1000 1 year ago
@mikeeboy1000 Knowledge is derived from that which has been observed, tested, and for things that cannot be directly tested, at least modeled in a way that coincides with known laws of physical reality. Spontaneous chemical assembly and genetic mutation (the driving forces of life & evolution) have been shown in such ways.
Lies are deliberate falsehoods. Things like myths and stories. Conglomerations of mystical oral traditions, passed down via an old book, fall into that category.
rmcdaniel423 1 year ago
@mikeeboy1000 Consider the concept of "peer review" in science. True science is not respected unless it is peer reviewed. That means when you make a claim, it is subjected to a group of highly educated people who scour through your work with a fine-tooth comb, trying their hardest to find fault and falsify the claims. Scientists who "lie" are eventually caught and ostracized out of the rest of the scientific community.
Does religion apply such standards to itself?
rmcdaniel423 1 year ago
I'm catholic I think that god created evouliton and the bible isn't to be taken literaly
madnackerviper 1 year ago
These are complicated questions. Let me say this: If there is a God, a super intelligent being with the power to create entire universes, then I don't see how it is so hard to accept that he just created the universe and let it run. Look at cellular autamata, we create our own universes just for fun. As for an all loving God, if at the end of the day you are getting eternal happiness, then I fail to see how bearing a little pain in the mean time is amoral.
Houshalter 1 year ago
i find it strange that you refer to adem and eve in this video assuming that there story is fact yet there is no historical docuimentation or proof that they ever exsisted (excluding the bible as this cannot be seen as fact as there is no evidence to back this up) however there is scientific evidence and proof that we can even see today that evolution is correct.
PineappleRyan 1 year ago
shibbyclairex 1 year ago
I'm sorry, did anyone just forget just how much proof of evolution there is?? Fucking sheep! If you push a child to be religious, they will grow up to be religious. If you teach a child not to be religious, they will not.
Let people see the facts of the world, don't control them, people have a right to make their own judgements without their reality being tainted by myths.
shibbyclairex 1 year ago
@shibbyclairex what proof are you talking about? there actually is no rock hard proof for evolution.. Darwin himself said in his book that evolution is just a theory and that it is not entirely true unless you find evidence, which to this day haven't been found.. also evolution contradicts the second law of thermodynamics...
princeztrouble 1 year ago
Yes I believe in Adam and Eve thus the crucifixion of Y'shua was valid. Second there was obviously death before Adam becauseG-d threatend Adam with death as penalty for sin not to mention Adam and Eve were vegitarians so death existed that is speaking of man's death, and third the point is it's not Natural Selection, Natural Selection has no contious force behind it there is a difference between Natural Selection and Theistic Evolution
1984vrs 1 year ago
1. how do you make sense of christ having to die anyway?
2. if god exists he created humans to sin and fall from "grace"
3. if god created all species he would be making some species just to be killed off by others later.
you have to remember that if you beleive in the god depicted in the bible you can't limit his knowledge or power, so saying he didn't know what humans would do is bull shit, in other words the bible makes no sense, with or without evolution.
evilsceptic 1 year ago
You look like you could be Collin Cunninghams' kid ` the guy from "Make"
M1ST3RHYDE 1 year ago
Almighty God, the Big Bang, the Universe, Evolution and Reincarnation are related subjects.
jrnjames1 1 year ago
I would love to make love to you mikayla.
guardcorp 1 year ago
The tale of Adam and Eve was passsed down orally for centuries before it was written, and like most myths, was dreamlike and free of heavy theological metphors until it was analyzed, interpreted and used to promote ideology by later generations. It's funny that there are still people who resist evolution, but outside of an attack on public school teaching every few decades they are easy to ignore and/or ridicule.
luvdomus 1 year ago
(3) I'd say if you don't think God is a God of processes, you haven't the slightest clue about Him. I can't imagine a more humbling, awe-inspiring, creative way to bring forth the miracle of life than through evolution.
TburgPatrick 1 year ago
(2) This piece of myth is true in the psychospiritual sense. Essentially, Adam is Everyman. And if we, like Adam, choose to view the world as something to lord over, we become increasingly materialistic. Then we come to believe that bodily death = the end. But the notion of death fades as people become aware of a fuller reality of which matter is only a part. I find the story fairly profound.
TburgPatrick 1 year ago
I'll answer. I'm a Catholic, but I can only speak for myself here. (1) I personally need to know that God loves me to death. My self-image is rooted in knowing I'm infinitely valuable. And I know the same applies to other people.
TburgPatrick 1 year ago
Religion is bullshit. And its logical and argumented refutal is a pretty easy task to do.
Hence, there is no debate to be had! Any conversation you want to have with religious people about it will be pointless as they will quickly reach a threshold where logical debate will not be.
nunoooooooooo 1 year ago
What is real is what is here within the physical. See the common sense that we are 'all' responsible for what exist here. Stop hiding behind a god that is obviously not 'here' and apply yourself with the principle of equality. All as one as Equal. Self honesty, self forgiveness. Self standing as the other as self is the key.
clk211bu 1 year ago
The old testament is a joke in that it was written by the same group of people who had no concept of modern science, believed that the earth was flat, pi = 3, and a whole host of other completely disproved "facts." As a source for your argument, it's null, and if you tried to use it in a debate against an evolutionist who really knew his/her stuff, he/she would not take you seriously.
avilameon 1 year ago
what is that a man or woman?
CantSpeallRite 1 year ago
Sadly, the christians who answered were not interested in answering your questions. I do agree with you and am an agnostic. Though I can neither prove nor disprove a god's or gods' existence, I can merely say that should one exist, he, she, or they have nothing to do. by the way, great argument against christianity.
Deathsphoenix 1 year ago
jesus learn to use the technology that god has given you =) hahaha
ZloffeZlow 1 year ago
Be perfect as I am perfect. Thats evolution.
atessmann 1 year ago
If you in fact believe the Bible, then read the 4th commandment. "For God created the heaven, earth, seas, and all that in them is in six days.
Further more do some research on RADIOMETRIC DATING. It is the holy grail of evolution, and it is full of hooey. Things are not as old as some scientists claim them to be.
udanbug 1 year ago
@udanbug
um, thats not the 4th commandment. Keeping the sabbath is. I am Christian and im not a YEC.
ronhudsonjr 1 year ago
You're a Christian who hasn't read the 4th commandment.
udanbug 1 year ago
@udanbug
show me the book, chapter, and verse its in then. Because everything i see tells me the 4th commandment is to Keep the sabbath holy
ronhudsonjr 1 year ago
Exodus 20: 8-11 is the fouth commandment:
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy...
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
How much plainer does it get.
udanbug 1 year ago
But you made it sound as if it was part of the 4th commandment to believe that God LITERALLY created the earth in those amount of days. You dont see any symbolism or metaphorical value in that at all?
I think that is says this to demonstrate the sabbath for us. To me, its like God creating the concept of time.
Think about it, why would he take LITERALLY 6 days? Could our all powerful God not do it in the blink of an eye?
ronhudsonjr 1 year ago
The answers to these questions are simple with the use of "unaided reason" (closest measure of truth other then mathematics). There is no religious/dogmatic phenomena as described by any text whatsoever. Unaided reason dictates that if (evolution) it looks real and sounds real and acts real, then it probably is real and vise-verse.
admmaze 2 years ago
Hitler got an entire era of people to believe something. The only reason we call him evil is because he lost (I have Jewish background so don't call me antisemitic). Christianity just happened to have won over Paganism in Rome. That doesn't make it right. Just because most people believe something doesn't make it right. History will show that most popular beliefs are eventually considered wrong. One day Christianity may become obsolete and another idea(hopefully not religion) will take its place
admmaze 2 years ago
on so yes it may seem cruel- but for us to exist it must have happened how it did.
p.s sorry for the million word script, i would do a video but my camera is dead and if i didnt respond now i would have forgotten.
p.p.s yes i am a Christian, i only use 'he' to refer to God as that is the accepted way of refering to said celestial entity, and i do have a relitively high degree of understanding of the thoery of evolution, the big bang etc.
Chizzy941 2 years ago
Personally I see natural selection as not a cruel way of creation, but as a sign of God's absolute love for us: he created millions of life forms, just to lead to us and to create the perfect world for us to live in. Think about it 65000000 years ago if that meteor hadn't struck we wouldnt exist- instead there would be super inteligent dinosaurs, and if the dinosaurs hadnt have existed our mamalian ancestors would have been the dominant specieses and would have been killed by it, the list goes
Chizzy941 2 years ago
we have death and suffering before our time. Lol this is hard to explain o_O. So in my belief, as sin is also out of time it affects everywhere on the time spectrum, so the sin of humanity now, for example, would have contributed to the boxing day tsunami, as well of the present and past sin.................. i think.
3: For the world we live in today eveyting that has happened MUST have happened, for a slight deviation would have created an unimaginable difference in the world of today.
Chizzy941 2 years ago
1: No, i dont think that the Adam and eve story is meant to be taken literally, and it has only been taken literally in the last 1000 years or so. It was written metaphorically, to show that humans were/could be celestial beings, higher than angels, and yet we turn away from God in our sinful nature. Thus Jesus came to Earth to forgive us of our sin.
2: It is the sin of mankind that caused reprocussions in the past present and future, if God is outside of time, then so must our sin be, and thus
Chizzy941 2 years ago
Christianity today is a religious tradition passed down through the ages. Most Christian go to church to worship God. God created the conditions necessary for life to develop and adapt to change. For the one millionth time - evolution does not disprove God. If life didn't have the ability to adapt to change, it would have died out long ago. Would God need to do something stupid in order to prove It's existence? God threw out the dice and let them land where they may. Good throw God. :)
Mike62075 2 years ago
listen kid, evolution is one of the many definitions of the big bang theory the problem with you people is that you dont know what to believe,you all have different accounts on what the big bang theory is and ive taken them from you and made a REAL conclusion, your scared and to really say that rock fragments made me my brian my DICK is impossible,
kingbigdawg9 2 years ago
You seem like a good person. All you will fiend this way is confusion. If you want to know the troth and be set free from this. Google AWMI
weedsintherain 2 years ago
...which contain ancient cosmologies to communicate the gospel of Jesus. Genesis is not a story about human ancestry, it is not a scientific treatise; It is about so much more (which would take far too long to describe here) but mostly it is about mankind's need for God and God's provision for that need through Jesus. It is not necessary to the gospel that Adam be a literal man.
BattleBits 2 years ago 2
...Genesis contains an ancient cosmology which we know is not an accurate depiction of physical reality, though it offers a valuable depiction of spiritual matters. Genesis presents a geocentric universe (earth centered) which is an outdated view, however the theological message of Genesis is timeless. Knowing this will help us understand the nature of Genesis and the characters it describes. It is becoming apparent, to me at least, that God is willing to speak through mythological stories...
BattleBits 2 years ago
...Considering that biblical accounts are likely deeply related to these other, older mesopotamian accounts, it is also likely that the share a mythological nature. This is not to imply that they do not contain fundamental truths that lead to the knowledge of Christ, it is only to say that these stories contain theological information, not literal, scientific, historical information. This idea is compounded by a good understanding of the ancient Israelite cosmology...
BattleBits 2 years ago
1. The first 11 chapters of Genesis are consider oral histories. Prior to being written down, they were shared orally, and research is showing that these stories are not isolated to Israelite culture. The Sumerians had strikingly similar stories to those found in the Genesis oral histories that predate biblical accounts by 1000's of years. The Canaanites also had similar creation accounts. Since Abram was a Canaanite, was likely very familiar with these stories and passes them down the line...
BattleBits 2 years ago
Christians who accept evolution are called theistic evolutionist, and I am one of them.
I hope to attempt to answer these questions for you as I understand them. These are not simple questions and the answers are not going to be simple either, but I will do my best. Understanding the answer fully will require some courage, because it will require a paradigm shift from one way of thinking about biblical interpretation to another one. Many people are not comfortable with this. I hope you will be.
BattleBits 2 years ago
Evolution is simply true. So, here are your options for christianity. Bible is litteral, and so false. Or bible is metaphor, and so interpretably true.
But this isn't a false dichotomy, so the bible could also be metaphor and false.
Oh... and thanks for pointing out the problem of evil for me, now I don't have to.
gavinfe 2 years ago
heres something to falsify your evolution , we supposdly came from apes and tad poles, ok write out the ape we have similair traits, now if were thrown in water we'll drown right? WE SHOULDNT! we evolved from a tadpole breathing underwater should be one of our traits, but it isnt.
kingbigdawg9 2 years ago
read something about evolution, and comeback when you have something that isn't an argument from ignorance.
gavinfe 2 years ago
wrong, you lose
Nate2203 2 years ago
smart girl
Ravelmoore 2 years ago
that is an awesome bird clock
BigJewOnFIre 2 years ago
Wow. This video has been out for about a year and a half and is still getting views and comments. Nice :)
MikaylaStarstuff 2 years ago
Great video, I particularly like your first question/point. Brava! :)
MrSonicAdvance 2 years ago
Your description states that DonExodus's video explains why the evidence "does support" Noah's Ark. The video you linked to says the exact OPPOSITE. Either you misunderstood his video, or you made a typo, or you're deliberately misrepresenting him.
XiaoGui17 2 years ago
Opps! That was a typo. Now corrected.
MikaylaStarstuff 2 years ago
Very lame video.
tuoljg 2 years ago
WRONG! Athiests do not try to convert. You are thinking of Christians. And I have many beliefs but your brand of BS is not one of them. As potholer54 said "Do what isay or you will burn in hell forever" is a potent weapon that science can't compete with. Again we are not trying to convert people. We are promoting education, objective evidence, science, curiosity, and truth. To say evolution is false is like saying the world doesn't exist. It's a fact. Christians promote conversion.
FrkyBgStok 2 years ago 3
I notice something really weird, Why do all you aithiests try and make people that accept religion be aithiests? I mean your getting nothing out of this all your gonna get is a lot of people that hate you and a small amount of people like you which are probably aithiests so please stop your like a pot head trying to get people to start doing pot but a lot more people go for pot then converting to aithiesim, i agree preachers are bad but at least they belive in something.
zmillang 2 years ago
zmillang, what you are seeing is a response to the push to teach creationism as science in public schools (and similar intrusions). I don't believe atheists are trying to convert others to atheism, rather they are trying to defend science from the whims of the church.
segankuz 2 years ago
oops heh sorry my little brother is always getting on my account and I actually accept science unlike most christians but my brother dosent and he looks up theese videos to put stupid comments like that
zmillang 2 years ago
The short answer to your question is this - 1. We are not trying to "convert" you to ANYTHING - we are asking you to be MORE critical of the things you believe. 2. "Atheism" isn't anything more than a lack of a belief in god/s - not specifically your god, ANY god will do. We aren't out to get Christians any more than any other group who choose to believe in things, despite a lack of supporting evidence, and in some cases, IN SPITE of the evidence...
burkeyatm 2 years ago
Sorry lil brother he looks for theese videos to ost theese comments
zmillang 2 years ago
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zmillang 2 years ago
To a previous poster- god is all knowing so he had to create Adam knowing he would damn all humanity. So in essence, that was god's purpose. To the maker of the video, you are right, the god of the bible is invalid. If people read thee bible for what it really is, they would agree. At least a rational person would.
FrkyBgStok 2 years ago
atheists believe there is no Universal author to the world's metanarrative?
Remember: Saying "There are no metanarratives" is itself a metanarrative. It's inconsistent.
elanmk 2 years ago
No... sorry. Secular Evolution and anti-realism are not as liberal as Christianity in ability to accept God's truth in every religion. Christianity though is not a religion. It is a transformation: evolution into transhumanity. Postmodernism claims that there are no metanarratives (though that is a metanarrative itself) while Christianity believes that all cultures have been awaiting the truth. Christianity is a tranformation from your core soul outward to the farthest brinks of the universe.
elanmk 2 years ago
Why don't you smash all the windows in the world to prove that "if a rock goes through a window, the window will break"?
elanmk 2 years ago
I am a new creature in Jesus, and am becoming more like Him, as He was when He was resurrected. It is Transhumanity, something beyond humanity. Jesus, in the New Testament, was able to walk through walls and do amazing things, which, we will eventually be fully able to do in a natural way. The questions that should be asked should be, rather, how Christianity cannot be compatibilized with Evolution.
elanmk 2 years ago
What Jesus accomplished on the cross was to allow sin to do its worst to Him, so that we can know the truth and be set free. We can see that we were wrong to refuse friendship with God. We can become fully human again: our rational, physical, and spiritual powers can reach their full potential through what Jesus did on the cross. Jesus says: Behold, I am making all things new. The changes Jesus makes are in a way, the next step of Evolution.
elanmk 2 years ago
Evil is a parasite of the Goodness of God. Sin is always a corruption of Goodness, not something in and of itself. It is rather, the degree to which something is less than itself. Therefore, sinners are becoming less human and less humane every day that they persist in sin. There is a cure. Restoration. God has never given up on His good creation. He wont just throw the world on the trash heap and start over again. He is redeeming the world for His Kingdom in Jesus.
elanmk 2 years ago
What about time expanding in a spiral, allowing the possibility that six days and billions of years could mean the same thing? God created a good, death and decay free world in love. He saw that it was good. Adam, created with a self and an open future, chose to rebel against Gods love and best purpose. Sin does not have substance. Evil is not the equal opposite of Good. That is Dualism, which cant in itself work, because there is no Tao to distinguish between them.
elanmk 2 years ago
Great questions (common from both YEC's and materialists). Here's some possible answers (as concise as I can put them):
1. A literal Adam did exists (probably not the first anatomically modern human, just the first to have the imago dei), 2. The curse brought spiritual, not physical death, 3. No explicit conflict, perhaps implicit but that's for you to prove (this seems like the old theodicy question); animal death not immoral, evolution not truly random, nor is anything from God's perspective.
GPLeague 2 years ago
Best not to quote the Bible....it has no validity or authority.
masala505 2 years ago
the only time I remember god demanding sacrifice was with abraham and he never intended for him to follow through. Jesus willing sacrificed himself when he didn't need to. Other parts in the bilbe specifically show that god outlaw human sacrifice done by some hebrews emulating other religions
Niven110 2 years ago
how I accept evolution is simple, i believe at some point in time, a genetic mutation made a species, a man. When this happened, everything changed, at this point man was made holy, and set above animals. Your question about cruelty of natural selection is rather flawed because natural selection exsists. Period. Natural selection is a concept that anyone can see, the slowest animal will always die, and the quickest animal will always catch it.
jedward4815 2 years ago
heres my idea, the bible is not intended to display scientific events as the were carried out. I believe the bible is a spiritually perfect text, but it was written by humans. Humans, at the time the bible was written, could not have written about a vision of the big bang or any other modern scientific event because they would have been considered radical for purposing such theories. Because of this i believe evolution is a viable theory.
jedward4815 2 years ago
Ok "or any other modern scientific event because they would have been considered radical for purposing such theories". Seriously? But two witnesses in Revelation shooting fire out of their freaking mouths isn't radical? Or maybe Noah? Or how about Christ being slaughtered then living again? Are these not radical and unscientific ideas? If you don't accept and believe all of the Bible at face value, including creation, then don't at all. (Revelation 3:16)
seriouslysolo 2 years ago
what if god triggered the big bang? what would the bible have said? "In the beginning there was nothing, then extrapolation of the expansion of the Universe backwards in time using general relativity yields an infinite density and temperature at a finite time in the past." ?! no way, thats what i'm saying, we can use science to explain "miracles" that occured 2,000 years ago, because at that time, they would have been miracles with no explanation. God uses science, it's not a tool of the devil!
jedward4815 2 years ago 13
thank you!!! GOD IS SCIENCE!!! it doesnt take a retard like tom cruise to reiterate in different words
kingbigdawg9 2 years ago
@jedward4815 Wouldn't that confused the early humans, though?
jshjamaar 1 year ago
@jedward4815 and your right science is not a tool of the devil but the bible says god created the earth not god made something that created the earth.
rebeliousQ 10 months ago
@rebeliousQ -but, hypothetically, if god had created the big bang, he couldn't have said "God began the universe with a big bang" because nobody would have know what that meant. You cannot prove the bible is not simplifying how events took place, in order for ancient humans to understand.
jedward4815 10 months ago
saying something like natural selection is a cruel process and and all loving god would not do that is a very silly statement to make. What about all the references in the bible as god being jelous and sending people to hell for their sins. is that all loving and forgiving?
Kastralis 2 years ago
MikaylaStarstuff When you say, "cruel and arbitrary" referring to natural selection. And you may say, "Well, I am not cruel!" If we are simply bound by these laws, if we simply are these laws, then how are you making a distinction as an observer? You understand what I saying? You are saying, I simply am a product of natural selection, I am these laws. Then you are taking a third person account and say, "Well, I don't agree."
Oliver1456 2 years ago
MikaylaStarstuff if you made your video naked, would you feel embarrassed? Would you want to hide from the camera? But why would you experience these ineffable feelings? Certainly, we have gained some knowledge that other primates don't have. Humans are primates, but other primates don't hold elections, they don't have policies, they are oblivious to the world around them. We have a knowlegde of good and evil, the rest of the animal kingdom dosen't. Fall of man
Oliver1456 2 years ago
Not trying to sound like an impatient douche, but did you get my message? I'm eager to continue our conversation lol
SynysterKezia 2 years ago
Well it might sound like an argument in your favour from that point of view, but from mine it isn't.
A best friend can be someone you party with. But that same person might also be the designated driver or the one who tells you to stay home and study depending on the situation, whether you like them for it or not. It doesn't mean you made that person up.
SynysterKezia 2 years ago
I thought atheists refused the existence of any unexplainable phenomena?
SynysterKezia 2 years ago
where did i say that?
88pandemonium88 2 years ago
And I always love this quote, straight from the origin of the species, even though Darwin was agnostic, he appreciated the beauty natural selection could create: "Thus, from the war of nature, from famine and death, the most exalted object which we are capable of conceiving, namely, the production of higher animals, directly follows. There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one..."
88pandemonium88 2 years ago
3. The God of the Bible is beyond what we can comprehend, so we cannot use our ideas of 'cruel' and 'good' to describe him. He created thousands of people only to wipe them all out (bar 8 people) in the Flood, he destroyed Sodom and Gommorah leaving only Lot's family alive. What's then stopping Him destroying many species, leaving only a few survivors who have adapted?
88pandemonium88 2 years ago
DonExodus has a great video explaining why the evidence does support the idea that modern animals evolved from survivors from Noah's Ark. It's called "Noah's Ark and the Cheetah." I will provide a link in the information bar to the right of my video.
MikaylaStarstuff 2 years ago
The "wiping out" of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the world before "The Flood" were responses to widespread sin. However you can't use this argument to talk about innocent species, without the option of sin, can't have the same responsibility for rebellion against God's love. Species are alive, but humans have souls. Species do not have themselves. They cannot turn into themselves and away from God or otherwise. They cannot be praised or blamed for their actions in the same way that humans can.
elanmk 2 years ago
2. The Bible uses 'death' to mean two major things, the process of death as we know it, and also "spiritual" death, ie being separated from God, going to Hell etc. Sin brought SPIRITUAL death to men, a way of being separated from God. Look at Paul's usage of the word "death"- when talking about earthly death he uses the phrase 'fell asleep', or 'sleeps' only when he talks of hell does he say 'death' eg the wages of sin is (spiritual) death. ie, separation from God.
88pandemonium88 2 years ago
good points.... here's some suggestions
1. yes, when God decided man had evolved to a point where he had enough capacity to judge right and wrong and to comprehend God, then he "breathed into him the breath of life" (gave him a soul) and that first "homo divinus" as some people put it was Adam. Adam then sinned etc thereby turning his back on God, so we still need to be saved. Abstract thought, outside of the world we are in is what puts humans 'above' animals.
88pandemonium88 2 years ago
Well, this is the kicker.
God is perfect right? But what is perfect? Exactly fitting the need in a certain situation or for a certain purpose. God is what we need Him to be. As for the sacrifices, I believe God came to Abraham to set down His laws and help guide humanity away from it's barbarism.
A very crude outline of a theory - I know - but I'm only allowed so many characters and I figure you wouldn't exactly appreciate a novel.
SynysterKezia 2 years ago
That doesn't affect the Judeo-christian god in any way that I can see. But aside from that, maybe until now I was refusing to trace God's evolution back to human sacrifice. However, I think I can accept the fact that maybe He did call for such things once upon a time.
SynysterKezia 2 years ago
How so?
SynysterKezia 2 years ago
Death didn't come into the world with the Fall. Before then, Adam and Eve ate, and eating required death of that which is eaten.
I think that it is the other way round, that a literal meaning of the Fall *denies* the necessity for sin. If it is literal, in what way do the rest of us suffer for Adam and Eve's sin? But if it is allegorical, it is an expression of the fact that try as we might we can't be perfect, and are therefore in need of salvation.
Naiant 2 years ago