"Marriage is defined in the church"--Since when? In ancient Greece and Rome, marriage was a civil affair, blessed by priests, yes, but still civil in nature to take care of legal obligations and property rights. The same thing applies today with marriages done by Justices of the Peace, sea captains and others authorized to conduct them. Religion and churches do not have to be involved at all for the marriage to be fully valid and legally binding.
I think you've completely missed Romans 12. It is not the goal of Christians to apply their church beliefs to the nation. If so, then you MUST allow Muslims the same liberty for the country including polygamy. Stay focused on your church.
Do you believe in divorce? Yes or no?
Do you believe that folks should work on the Sabbath? Yes or no? (and if you shop at any stores that do, aren't you supporting a sinful lifestyle?)
What?!! Tax Breaks?! I can't even understand a word this kid is saying. This is a terribly incohereant and inarticulate arguement. Marriage is a civil institution and not defined by the Christian church. If it were there wouldn't be such a thing as marriage among two people of any other religion or between people who are agnostic or atheist. In all honesty there really isn't a valid argument of any kind against gay marriage. Other than it makes some people uncomfortable. To that, so what
the church, who in the hell wants to get married in a church, I live in San Diego, we got beaches and parks that are alot better than churches........................this guy is a tool
@osummuso Agnostic, actually. But since Judaism adopted marriage first, and Christianity was just an outgrowth/cult of Judaism, it doesn't make sense to say that Christianity adopted it, since it came into being as a religion with marriage.
@osummuso Mostly, though I'm unfamiliar with the origin of Easter as a pagan ceremony (of course, pretty much everyone knows about Christmas). Also, I don't think it's entirely accurate to depict marriage as a ceremony adapted from other religions, since many, many different and unrelated cultures came up with marriage prior to having contact with each other. Now, if you have an example of Judaism doing that, things are different.
@BigUnicornTits You need to personally define religion to get may answer.
I referred to it as being 'Pagan' in origin.
You can go into the deepest, darkest depths to find any Jungle tribe, devoid of Christianity (or Judaism), who formally recognise the idea of commitment between two people.
Be that 'jumping the broom', tying the knot, or dancing widdershins around a maypole.
As for Easter, you seem to be bright enough to research that yourself?
@osummuso Sorry, "religion" is basically a placeholder for me for "any structured spiritual belief system". "Pagan" also has a multitude of definitions, so I may need your definition for it myself. And yeah, that was sort of my point: virtually every culture has it, regardless of contact with outside cultures, so crediting any religion with introducing it to other religions is a shaky prospect at best. I was just asking, most people are quite happy to share what knowledge they have with others.
@BigUnicornTits In context, you have to refer to the contemporary tone of the Moses commandments, Thou shalt not worship a graven idol etc.You need to look at anything pre-Bible to find anything on common ground with me.
The key point we agree on I guess, is the majority of self inflicted "Christians", not to mention Judaeists.
@osummuso Well, I've learned some more about Easter, though I feel I may have wasted my time with my own idle curiosity in doing so. From what I've learned, the idea of Easter itself being "pagan" is one that can't be made conclusive. So, for you, "pagan" means religions predating the Bible? (and would that include the Bible as an assembled book, or just even the first books of it?) Or am I completely misreading what you said?
@osummuso Better-informed about the Bible = a questionable gain. Actually, you're the one that said it was "pagan", so you'll have to forgive me for trying to verify if it fits into that pigeonhole. Frankly, I think you're playing semantics there. Easter (as a holiday of any kind) automatically implies ceremony. For me, paganism as a word has little meaning, as it is thrown about to describe a variety of things. I don't know, do you have any reason for your snide comments?
@osummuso Well, it didn't take you long to cease being able to maintain the basic civility necessary for reasonable discussion. Enjoy the rest of your life, and good luck using rudeness and patently unearned arrogance to camouflage your own inability to defend/articulate your 'points".
@osummuso heh, funny that you mention projecting (and what exactly do I stand to gain from misinterpreting you?). Let's not forget who took the first step in devolving what could have been a decent conversation, rather than simply explaining their use of a fairly ambiguous term. That's too bad about your sister, but maybe it runs in the family. As for your videos, yeah, your rant is a great contribution to YouTube and the human race. Totally better than not uploading any videos. I submit in awe.
@osummuso Then I'm sure you'll have no problem pointing out where I took the discussion off-road. And confirming that it happened before you were needlessly rude. I stayed on topic and asked you questions about the subject. You "replied" by asking if I had anything worthwhile to say. Yep, it must be nice to have something in common with a white supremacist, a gay-hating Christian theocrat, and a man in fear of everyone who thinks differently than he does.
@osummuso As for my responses, do you really think that comparing me to your sister for the sole purpose of assigning some negative traits to me constitutes anything other than a "You're dumb"? Pot, meet kettle. However, I do apologize for continuing any discussion with you once it became clear that your interests lie in talking down to people rather than sharing knowledge. I should have simply left you to your own devices to deal with things on your own. I'll correct that error now though.
@osummuso Nicely done, you just saw an opportunity to take the high road and be a better man and completely passed it up, deciding to go for childish taunts instead. I'd spend some time rethinking about who's the bitter projector here, if I were you. You're clearly everything you dislike the most about humanity.
@BigUnicornTits It's not a matter of anyone "taking the high road".
LOL. Do you even know what country that expression comes from?
Your last comment said; "'ll correct that error now though", referring to your own comment; "I should have simply left you to your own devices to deal with things on your own"
You're not doing what you said you would, so you lack integrity.
BBBOOOPRRRIIINNNGGG - you actually posted a video to show the world what an idiot you are -"live your life" and then state "your belief" is the reason you disagree with gay marriage.
I can assure you, if civil unions were proposed, they would also be shot down by the same people who said "we agree with civil unions" when Prop 8 was up for a vote.
@lisarp03 people have their own beliefs, sure, but no one has the right to force them on someone else. The United States government is separate from any religious organization for a reason, religion has no holding in governmental proceedings.
@mirandarosepetal that may be. But if it's on the ballot and I don't believe in gay marriage I'll vote accordingly. So I guess the "No on 8" supporters should really be mad at whoever put it on the ballot, because I feel no shame in voting according to my beliefs.
@lisarp03, If you want to vote based on your beliefs, that's fine-if you are voting to legalize a state run lottery, or a sales tax to build a new sports stadium so some $B owner might keep his team in town another 4 or 5 years.
But on constitutional issues, the average American voter doesn't have a clue about constitutional law and how it applies. So they vote based on their religious beliefs or how p-o'd they are at that minority. Neither of those reasons are valid legal reasons.
The only reason i dont realy want gay marriage is because marriage is something that is done in church and since those religions think being gay is "wrong" that would be unfair...... But im not 18 yet so thants what i go from whatching truckloads of these prop 8videos.....maybe i just donnt understand......yet.
You are correct, "churches don't have to marry same sex couples if they don't want to."
And I'm not aware a any law that says a church has to marry every OPPOSITE sex couple that walks through the door either. Anyone know of any such laws?
Wait. You said that this is just YOUR belief. You recognize that not all people share that, and yet you want to force that on everyone else? What the fuck?
Also, if a local district does decide to teach sex ed, a parent or guardian of a pupil has the right to excuse their child from all or part of comprehensive sexual health education (Cal Ed. code 51938).
Under the California Education Code, public schools are under local control when it comes to many curriculum choices. One of the locally-decided curriculum choices is whether to teach sex education (Cal. Ed. Code 51933). If the local school district decides to teach sex education, then and only then, the instruction and materials shall teach respect for marriage and committed relationships (Cal Ed. Code 51933(a)(7)).
of course this white, heterosexual, male asshole would discriminate against gays, He's part of the majority of people who have never been discriminated in their life.
If you REALLY Respected other people beliefs, then you would have voted NO on prop 8. If you don't believe in gay marriage, then dont marry someone of the same gender as you, simple as that. Its not fair to efforce your beliefs on eveyone else by putting them into law.
Marriage actually predates religion. It was used as a contract between individuals before there was even written history in most parts of the world. To argue against it and use religious justification doesn't hold up. Religion didn't create marriage, marriage was "taken over" by religion.
What history book or text did you get this piece of onion from? I studied Egyptian culture, theology, mythology, etc. Marriage has always been a religious union. Sure if you believe cave men and women were somehow considered married good for you.
It's a known fact, regardless of it is excepted by most or not. All your studies dealt with the written word of that time, but marriage even predated the written word before it had ties to religion. The guy in this video said that the church defines marriage; What I'm trying to say is that wasn't always the case.
Yes, we would have to go back thousands of years and whatever they called it marriage or not, unions, whatever translation as one man and one woman they used here in America we adopted it as one man and one woman and thats how the people would like to keep it. And we voted on it to keep it that ways.. All those in favor of keeping marriage the way it has been throughout time stand up and say "I" and Americans spoke. It may be called or majority or maybe just what we want.
Firstly, that definition of one man and one woman is such a modern definition and so few people realize that. The definition has changed so many times in order to conform the society in which it is being used.Secondly, America also adopted other "traditions" in our formation such as slavery and oppression of woman. Just because people accepted it doesn't make it right.Putting the rights of the minority to the vote of the majority doesn't make it right,especially on matters that don't effect them
Stay on subject, we are not talking about slavery or oppression of women. There are many minorities, and you are not because of ethnic background, skin color, heritage, etc. So comparing that word is what angers people. You are a minority because 90% of people don't choose to engage in that behavior. Marriage has been a man and woman and we will keep it that way, call it discrimination, call it taking away right, use whatever card you will heck even racism, why not? We want to keep it the same.
I am staying on subject by showing how oppression permiates society and a majority vote can't be used to determine the rights of the minority: it's simple. I guess your biggest issue is that fact that you fail to realize that homosexuality isn't a choice; there are biological factors. "call it discrimination, call it taking away right, use whatever card you will". Your bigotry has no place in the freedoms of individuals. Man you're Ignorant.
Actually marriage has many definitions, but this is the main one "the legal bond between two people who pledged their life together." and i don't see how we are changing it. Also, if a country treats its minorities well, then its a civilized country. seems America is not yet civilized.
Go grab any dictionary written before the 1980's and see what does the definition of marriage read. Homosexuals have allot of work cut out for them to change all their dictionaries. the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2): the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a TRADITIONAL marriage which was changed many years later, and webster would be ashamed.
But definitions do change, i don't have a dictionary from the 80's well because im not old. Webster shouldn't be ashamed of anything. Maybe you should keep up with the times.
Gods word? You know that prop 8 was to take away marriage under the constitution from gays, not under god. So what you are stating is that god dislikes people to be happy. Gay is not a choice and if you could live in our shoes for one day you would figure that out. Remember before you throw the bible at someone your god might not be their god.
Yes I understand that the god of the bible might not be the same as our God. But my God tells me to warn people like all sins, which I deal with in myself, pornography, idolatry, etc. Section 300 and 301 of the California law defines marriage as between one man and woman and the state defines that, and they asked the people to vote on if it should be changed and they said no. Lots of people cannot get married and if voters have the right to say age is one exclusion then so can sexual gender.
But it isn't a sin to love someone, and if you love them then you should be able to get married, whether you're old, or gay. It makes no sense that you can't get married because you can't have children. This is a federal case not a religious one.
It's always about bloody religion. All I say is I am VERY pleased I am not a brainwashed homophobe but it makes me sick to think there is people out there that actually believe this rubbish. You clearly have a LOT of growing up to do man ... you make me very ashamed to be on this planet with the likes of you !!!! NO TO PROP 8 !!
Dude, you do know that their is a difference between religious marriage and civil marriage? Kinda scary since you seem to be a college student. This nation is not a theocracy so whenever anyone uses the Bible to justify any civil issues you lose as far as I'm concerned.
How can people say that they are ready to take away human rights from homosexual or bisexual people?
Can you say that you are happy that even though homosexual people have not hurt you in anyway but you took LOVE away from them?
Will you be able to look at yourself in the mirror and smile without cringing and say that you are glad that you have destroyed millions of peoples lives without any regard for their feelings?
oh, just wanted to add, it's terribly pathetic for religious people to get all pissy over a semantics game. 'oh we dont mind them having everything that goes with marriage, we just dont want them to be called the same thing.' ugh, fuckin grow up
Man, god would be disappointed for you fake religious people to give his sacred union up to the hands of a secular government, GET MARRIAGE OUT OF GOVERNMENT. You have the numbers, make the government stop using the term marriage. The only government term should be civil union, then marriage can be sacred and everyone will be under the same institution under the law. Easy fix.
Yes, by definition you are a homophobe. "Fear of homosexuality" You are scared what gay marriage will do. The question is why? Why are you scared of something that has no effect on you? Unless you're just sadistically stripping people of rights.
They dont deserve the label of marriage, wtf does that mean? You dont even make sense, what a tool. I think people that are as closed minded as you should just keep you're lame brain thoughts to yourself.
a legally recognized relationship, established by a civil or religious ceremony, between two people who intend to live together as sexual and domestic partners. That's marriage. No where does it say man and woman, but strangly, it does say two people... huh.
The U.S. stands for freedom and liberty! Not for the Christians or any other religion! I may be Christian, but I say No on 8! Just because its "not in the bible" doesn't mean you can just take away someone else's rights.
The U.S. stands for freedom like you said, and that also means everyone has the freedom and right to vote as they please. If the majority vote dictates that gay marriage is not to happen in CA, so be it. You may not like it, but democracy has been upheld, and that is what we hold most dear as Americans. And remember, rights CAN be stripped with due process of law. Many people today have conveniently ignored the difference between what America stands for and their own interests.
It's kind of odd seeing a man who'll move from CA becaise they consider a union between people of the same sex as marriage.
Your individual is so weak... that a state considering something you consider wrong can make you m ove... instead of staying true to your belief and continue to think it's wrong.
The law isn't about belief.. it's about justification, and having it not marriage is your justification that you're belief is right.
My religious is not the same as yours. Why must your believe influence other people's marriage and law? Marriage is not solely yours, but for all people. Using kids for prop 8 is shameful, it's nonsense. So all children brought up in a gay couple family gay? Dang, they are not even taugh in school, but grew up in a gay family...but they are straight. This is bullshit homophobic fear.
Not everyone gets married in a church. Not every hetero couple can have children. No church is mandated to "sanctify" a marriage! Your beliefs are yours to hold close to you, not to judge other upon. My beliefs are different than yours, but I am not passing laws against you. I was married by a minister, I am gay, and I am spiritual. Don't think for a moment that you will not be judged by god. The next time you wear leather shoes & cotton socks together, remember, that is an abolishment too.
any other day of the week i bet you would be making fun of sharia law saying it's not right to make women wear hijabs blah blah blah, because they don't give equal rights to women. well what you're doing is exactly the same; denying equal rights to your fellow man. your god and your faith has no place in politics, just as everyone is free to practice their OWN religion.
How do you really get affected if gays are allowed to marry? grow some balls and get over your pushy bible-thumping ways.
I'm willing to bet money that at some point, this brick head gets married and divorced, and yet he's going to vote to "protect" marriage. Right wing religious nuts are being allowed to force their religious hypocrisy on the entire population of California. This is truly a travesty. I've got an idea...how about we compile a list of every person who made contributions to the Yes on 8 campaign and force them to stay in their shitty podunk towns.
If you are going to try to RETAIN the Meaning of marriage by not allowing Gays to get married than you should go by what marriage is suppose to be!! Which is waiting to have SEX until your married this includes anything past 2base!!! And also staying married from DEATH DUE YOU PART!!! and no cheating, staying LOYAL which is extremely rare!! Gays should have the same rights as any person! They are people like everyone else and no one should take a right like MARRIAGE away from them! NO ON 8!
Smart, guy from USC, check the poll statistics. Most people did not vote for Prop 8. Barely half. Did they teach you at USC that 52% is "most" of 100%?
Props for him not being hateful, but...this guy seems to think that homosexuality is such a nebulous concept, that people "stumble" upon it, or are convinced by the mere mention of it in a school. I wonder if he'll let his children use the internet...that will be interesting.
Also, his petty attachment with the word "marriage" is almost amusing. He's essentially saying, "It's okay for you to have the same rights, just don't upset my own established personal illusions of what marriage is."
There is no procreation requirement for marriage. Prisoners, the elderly and infertile people can get married. 50% of marriage in the US involve NO children.
Eliminating fundamental rights is wrong. Don't take anyway anyone's right to marry.
You seem like a good guy with sincere thoughts. Although you seem to be contradicting yourself without knowing it, (or being in denial). I kindly suggest that you study the US constitution. Our founding American fathers broke away from England in order to be able to pursue "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Regardless of religous views . I am also a catholic, straight father. But Prop 8 is wrong, Best wishes.
Gay marriage being legal doesn't outlaw straight marriage. I hope you realize that.
If you really believed om the statement you make at 1:55, wouldn't you vote no on 8?
As a heterosexual who is married, I've never seen the point in sticking my nose in other people's sex lives, or their religious practices. Why do you? Why do you think your opinion is so important that it should overturn the 1st amendment (freedom of religion and religious practices)?
There are already thousands of gay parents with children in America. What about them? Leave them unprotected under the law, because gay people frightened you?
Sorry guy, but they do not teach marriage in kindergarten thru 2nd grade. That is a lie. The California Education Departments rule is that marriage is taught in Sex Ed classes, do you really think that Sex Ed is taught to young children? Really? Also the rule is not for all schools, each district deceides when to teach about marriage. Sorry to burst that lame bubble for you. VOTE NO ON 8!!!!
You're lying!It's taught in Kindergarten,most disturbing,parents are not notified to be able to opt out.A father went to jail for protesting his parental rights being ignored. His 5 yr old son came home with a "Two Daddies book".A child is way too young,impressionable to understand gay marriage. You claim to want equality, but want to remove parental rights to get it.This is dangerous,it has a ripple effect by those with agendas to further with nothing to do with gay marriage.
I'm just fearful of my children coming home with a book teaching that Mormon's are a legitimate religion. Clearly they are a bunch of racist, sexist, homophobs who worship their own cult leaders.
For an insightful look at the traditional, biblical marriage that the supporters of Propostion 8 are trying to protect, be sure to see:
"Betty Bowers Explains Traditional Marriage to Everyone Else" by MrsBettyBowers
RCSVirginia 1 month ago
"Marriage is defined in the church"--Since when? In ancient Greece and Rome, marriage was a civil affair, blessed by priests, yes, but still civil in nature to take care of legal obligations and property rights. The same thing applies today with marriages done by Justices of the Peace, sea captains and others authorized to conduct them. Religion and churches do not have to be involved at all for the marriage to be fully valid and legally binding.
RCSVirginia 1 month ago
I think you've completely missed Romans 12. It is not the goal of Christians to apply their church beliefs to the nation. If so, then you MUST allow Muslims the same liberty for the country including polygamy. Stay focused on your church.
Do you believe in divorce? Yes or no?
Do you believe that folks should work on the Sabbath? Yes or no? (and if you shop at any stores that do, aren't you supporting a sinful lifestyle?)
JimHinCO 7 months ago
Tool.
MonauralEHC 9 months ago
LOL!!! My friends and I laughed through the whole thing!!
AlexTheAvatard 1 year ago
What?!! Tax Breaks?! I can't even understand a word this kid is saying. This is a terribly incohereant and inarticulate arguement. Marriage is a civil institution and not defined by the Christian church. If it were there wouldn't be such a thing as marriage among two people of any other religion or between people who are agnostic or atheist. In all honesty there really isn't a valid argument of any kind against gay marriage. Other than it makes some people uncomfortable. To that, so what
cahancock12001 1 year ago
Who are you to say that church and state should be seperated? Being gay is not a choice. There ARE gay people in the world. GET OVER IT.
dogsgonewild167 1 year ago
the church, who in the hell wants to get married in a church, I live in San Diego, we got beaches and parks that are alot better than churches........................this guy is a tool
ktwarner87 1 year ago
so contradicting....
mesoemo 1 year ago
Your an idiot. What does musliems have to do with anything. Your little comments are blind sided. You don't make any sense.
BJ69dude 1 year ago
"If Prop 8 is denied, I won't live in California."
Have a nice trip.
cufflink44 1 year ago
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If marriage is so valued then why do we have such a high divorce rate. I guess marriage is not that religious of a ceremony after all.
vthai888 1 year ago
'Marriage' is a Pagan ceremony, which Christianity has adopted.
It pre-dates the Bible by several thousand years, as do the ceremonies of Easter and Christmas.
What is really the issue, is that supposedly christian people do not wish equality for people and wish to deny Gay people God.
It's not up to you though!
osummuso 1 year ago
@osummuso You mean "which Judaism adopted", right? :P
BigUnicornTits 1 year ago
@BigUnicornTits You call yourself a Judaist, or a Christian?
osummuso 1 year ago
@osummuso Agnostic, actually. But since Judaism adopted marriage first, and Christianity was just an outgrowth/cult of Judaism, it doesn't make sense to say that Christianity adopted it, since it came into being as a religion with marriage.
BigUnicornTits 1 year ago
@BigUnicornTits I'd say more' pedantic' than anything else :p
I believe you understood the point I was making?
osummuso 1 year ago
@osummuso Mostly, though I'm unfamiliar with the origin of Easter as a pagan ceremony (of course, pretty much everyone knows about Christmas). Also, I don't think it's entirely accurate to depict marriage as a ceremony adapted from other religions, since many, many different and unrelated cultures came up with marriage prior to having contact with each other. Now, if you have an example of Judaism doing that, things are different.
BigUnicornTits 1 year ago
@BigUnicornTits You need to personally define religion to get may answer.
I referred to it as being 'Pagan' in origin.
You can go into the deepest, darkest depths to find any Jungle tribe, devoid of Christianity (or Judaism), who formally recognise the idea of commitment between two people.
Be that 'jumping the broom', tying the knot, or dancing widdershins around a maypole.
As for Easter, you seem to be bright enough to research that yourself?
osummuso 1 year ago
@osummuso Sorry, "religion" is basically a placeholder for me for "any structured spiritual belief system". "Pagan" also has a multitude of definitions, so I may need your definition for it myself. And yeah, that was sort of my point: virtually every culture has it, regardless of contact with outside cultures, so crediting any religion with introducing it to other religions is a shaky prospect at best. I was just asking, most people are quite happy to share what knowledge they have with others.
BigUnicornTits 1 year ago
@BigUnicornTits In context, you have to refer to the contemporary tone of the Moses commandments, Thou shalt not worship a graven idol etc.You need to look at anything pre-Bible to find anything on common ground with me.
The key point we agree on I guess, is the majority of self inflicted "Christians", not to mention Judaeists.
Have a look at the origins of Easter!
I'm not going to give it to you on a plate.
You do your own work and extract meaning.
Anything else is just being a sheep!
osummuso 1 year ago
@osummuso Well, I've learned some more about Easter, though I feel I may have wasted my time with my own idle curiosity in doing so. From what I've learned, the idea of Easter itself being "pagan" is one that can't be made conclusive. So, for you, "pagan" means religions predating the Bible? (and would that include the Bible as an assembled book, or just even the first books of it?) Or am I completely misreading what you said?
Heh, sheep. Oh, what a word.
BigUnicornTits 1 year ago
@BigTit You're not idly informed, nor wasting your time, when you are better educated?
You try and pigeon hole issues.
Kinda ironic to suggest, as a self admitted agnostic, that anything pre-bible might be Pagan?
I said nothing about 'ceremony' being religious pre-bible.
Do you want to define Paganism so that you can understand further discourse?
Do you have anything of value the topic which is being discussed?
osummuso 1 year ago
@osummuso Better-informed about the Bible = a questionable gain. Actually, you're the one that said it was "pagan", so you'll have to forgive me for trying to verify if it fits into that pigeonhole. Frankly, I think you're playing semantics there. Easter (as a holiday of any kind) automatically implies ceremony. For me, paganism as a word has little meaning, as it is thrown about to describe a variety of things. I don't know, do you have any reason for your snide comments?
BigUnicornTits 1 year ago
@BigUnicornTits Talk to the hand, ya Muppet!
osummuso 1 year ago
@osummuso Well, it didn't take you long to cease being able to maintain the basic civility necessary for reasonable discussion. Enjoy the rest of your life, and good luck using rudeness and patently unearned arrogance to camouflage your own inability to defend/articulate your 'points".
BigUnicornTits 1 year ago
@BigUnicornTits Apparently you got to "patenting" arrogance before me.
I suggest you check out the videos of me on my channel and compare them to your own?
You remind me of my sister.
She's bitter and twisted, having acheived nothing in her life, so she too goes around assuming intellect she will never attain.
You are clearly too arrogant to take someone's intended meaning and try to score points, while projecting your failings onto others.
Good luck with that!
osummuso 1 year ago
@osummuso heh, funny that you mention projecting (and what exactly do I stand to gain from misinterpreting you?). Let's not forget who took the first step in devolving what could have been a decent conversation, rather than simply explaining their use of a fairly ambiguous term. That's too bad about your sister, but maybe it runs in the family. As for your videos, yeah, your rant is a great contribution to YouTube and the human race. Totally better than not uploading any videos. I submit in awe.
BigUnicornTits 1 year ago
@BigUnicornTits Actually it was you who took the discussion off-road first.
Like I said you "project".
Going by the variety of people who have commented on your channel, I'm clearly not the only one who thinks your are a dick!
You'll note the negative comments on my videos....... NOT!
Your responses are just glorified 'Yo Momma soooo Fat' quips.
Remember, it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than open your mouth and confirm it to be true!
osummuso 1 year ago
@osummuso Then I'm sure you'll have no problem pointing out where I took the discussion off-road. And confirming that it happened before you were needlessly rude. I stayed on topic and asked you questions about the subject. You "replied" by asking if I had anything worthwhile to say. Yep, it must be nice to have something in common with a white supremacist, a gay-hating Christian theocrat, and a man in fear of everyone who thinks differently than he does.
BigUnicornTits 1 year ago
@osummuso As for my responses, do you really think that comparing me to your sister for the sole purpose of assigning some negative traits to me constitutes anything other than a "You're dumb"? Pot, meet kettle. However, I do apologize for continuing any discussion with you once it became clear that your interests lie in talking down to people rather than sharing knowledge. I should have simply left you to your own devices to deal with things on your own. I'll correct that error now though.
BigUnicornTits 1 year ago
@BigUnicornTits You already had the chance to respond to that comment and failed.
I'm glad you now promise to leave the topic alone, as you have offered nothing to the discussion, but your ignorance and me me me comments.
We don't care!
Byeeeee
osummuso 1 year ago
@osummuso Nicely done, you just saw an opportunity to take the high road and be a better man and completely passed it up, deciding to go for childish taunts instead. I'd spend some time rethinking about who's the bitter projector here, if I were you. You're clearly everything you dislike the most about humanity.
BigUnicornTits 1 year ago
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@BigUnicornTits It's not a matter of anyone "taking the high road".
LOL. Do you even know what country that expression comes from?
Your last comment said; "'ll correct that error now though", referring to your own comment; "I should have simply left you to your own devices to deal with things on your own"
You're not doing what you said you would, so you lack integrity.
You're not ready for the internet yet son.
osummuso 1 year ago
@BigUnicornTits I am a better man. More to the point. I'm a man.not a boy!
osummuso 1 year ago
BBBOOOPRRRIIINNNGGG - you actually posted a video to show the world what an idiot you are -"live your life" and then state "your belief" is the reason you disagree with gay marriage.
I can assure you, if civil unions were proposed, they would also be shot down by the same people who said "we agree with civil unions" when Prop 8 was up for a vote.
TheManray05 2 years ago
What HAPPENED to separation of church and STATE? This shit is ridiculous.
mirandarosepetal 2 years ago
@mirandarosepetal church and state may be seperate, but most people vote on the basis of their beliefs, which nothing's wrong with that.
lisarp03 2 years ago
@lisarp03 people have their own beliefs, sure, but no one has the right to force them on someone else. The United States government is separate from any religious organization for a reason, religion has no holding in governmental proceedings.
mirandarosepetal 2 years ago
@mirandarosepetal that may be. But if it's on the ballot and I don't believe in gay marriage I'll vote accordingly. So I guess the "No on 8" supporters should really be mad at whoever put it on the ballot, because I feel no shame in voting according to my beliefs.
lisarp03 2 years ago
@lisarp03, If you want to vote based on your beliefs, that's fine-if you are voting to legalize a state run lottery, or a sales tax to build a new sports stadium so some $B owner might keep his team in town another 4 or 5 years.
But on constitutional issues, the average American voter doesn't have a clue about constitutional law and how it applies. So they vote based on their religious beliefs or how p-o'd they are at that minority. Neither of those reasons are valid legal reasons.
AdamTh1 2 years ago
who cares what gay people do theres more important things to worry about....heres a new policy dont know dont care
sparky41684 2 years ago
God is not real. Gay people are. Stop using realigion to discriminate aganist others you fucking bigot.
coilinreltub 2 years ago 2
i think it's weird how he said multiple times to 'let people live their lives' when he also supports taking away gay peoples rights to do so
The5thGeruda 2 years ago
The only reason i dont realy want gay marriage is because marriage is something that is done in church and since those religions think being gay is "wrong" that would be unfair...... But im not 18 yet so thants what i go from whatching truckloads of these prop 8videos.....maybe i just donnt understand......yet.
PoePandaProductions 2 years ago
but marriage is issued by the state not the church.
priests have to get the power to marry from THE STATE.
people have to get a license allowing them to marry FROM THE STATE.
besides people don't have to be married by a religious figure, they can be married by judges.
anyway, churches don't have to marry same sex couples if they don't want to.
The5thGeruda 2 years ago
@The5thGeruda
You are correct, "churches don't have to marry same sex couples if they don't want to."
And I'm not aware a any law that says a church has to marry every OPPOSITE sex couple that walks through the door either. Anyone know of any such laws?
AdamTh1 2 years ago
no, i wasn't saying that. however, a judge must marry any two people with a marriage license. that's part of their civil duty.
The5thGeruda 2 years ago
Why do the fruity people call him idiot and all these names just because hes stating his opinion?
GmanSayo 2 years ago
@GmanSayo
Because he is an idiot... You are too most likely
Gay marriage doesn't affect you so mind your own business and stfu. Thank you.
ooglesnboogles 2 years ago
Wait. You said that this is just YOUR belief. You recognize that not all people share that, and yet you want to force that on everyone else? What the fuck?
sasukeistehsuck 2 years ago 2
Does anyone else realize that he invalidated his own argument in the first 20 seconds.
thadrine 2 years ago
No, it isn't about love, it's about tax breaks. What an idiot.
boblab5 3 years ago
then you believe what you want and they'll believe what they want to believe...
your argument is destroyed in the first 20 seconds...
NirvanaFoEvah 3 years ago
Also, if a local district does decide to teach sex ed, a parent or guardian of a pupil has the right to excuse their child from all or part of comprehensive sexual health education (Cal Ed. code 51938).
tsunamiman137 3 years ago
Under the California Education Code, public schools are under local control when it comes to many curriculum choices. One of the locally-decided curriculum choices is whether to teach sex education (Cal. Ed. Code 51933). If the local school district decides to teach sex education, then and only then, the instruction and materials shall teach respect for marriage and committed relationships (Cal Ed. Code 51933(a)(7)).
tsunamiman137 3 years ago
of course this white, heterosexual, male asshole would discriminate against gays, He's part of the majority of people who have never been discriminated in their life.
ofelixdacat 3 years ago
If you REALLY Respected other people beliefs, then you would have voted NO on prop 8. If you don't believe in gay marriage, then dont marry someone of the same gender as you, simple as that. Its not fair to efforce your beliefs on eveyone else by putting them into law.
ofelixdacat 3 years ago
actually, not die, but evolve..true about ALL religious beliefs and traditions. Disagree with the disagree, or be left out..simple as that.
anosiya 3 years ago
old tradition will die
anosiya 3 years ago
Marriage actually predates religion. It was used as a contract between individuals before there was even written history in most parts of the world. To argue against it and use religious justification doesn't hold up. Religion didn't create marriage, marriage was "taken over" by religion.
Frohbs 3 years ago
What history book or text did you get this piece of onion from? I studied Egyptian culture, theology, mythology, etc. Marriage has always been a religious union. Sure if you believe cave men and women were somehow considered married good for you.
freespeachrulez 3 years ago
It's a known fact, regardless of it is excepted by most or not. All your studies dealt with the written word of that time, but marriage even predated the written word before it had ties to religion. The guy in this video said that the church defines marriage; What I'm trying to say is that wasn't always the case.
Frohbs 3 years ago
Yes, we would have to go back thousands of years and whatever they called it marriage or not, unions, whatever translation as one man and one woman they used here in America we adopted it as one man and one woman and thats how the people would like to keep it. And we voted on it to keep it that ways.. All those in favor of keeping marriage the way it has been throughout time stand up and say "I" and Americans spoke. It may be called or majority or maybe just what we want.
freespeachrulez 3 years ago
Firstly, that definition of one man and one woman is such a modern definition and so few people realize that. The definition has changed so many times in order to conform the society in which it is being used.Secondly, America also adopted other "traditions" in our formation such as slavery and oppression of woman. Just because people accepted it doesn't make it right.Putting the rights of the minority to the vote of the majority doesn't make it right,especially on matters that don't effect them
Frohbs 3 years ago
Stay on subject, we are not talking about slavery or oppression of women. There are many minorities, and you are not because of ethnic background, skin color, heritage, etc. So comparing that word is what angers people. You are a minority because 90% of people don't choose to engage in that behavior. Marriage has been a man and woman and we will keep it that way, call it discrimination, call it taking away right, use whatever card you will heck even racism, why not? We want to keep it the same.
freespeachrulez 3 years ago
I am staying on subject by showing how oppression permiates society and a majority vote can't be used to determine the rights of the minority: it's simple. I guess your biggest issue is that fact that you fail to realize that homosexuality isn't a choice; there are biological factors. "call it discrimination, call it taking away right, use whatever card you will". Your bigotry has no place in the freedoms of individuals. Man you're Ignorant.
Frohbs 3 years ago
Actually marriage has many definitions, but this is the main one "the legal bond between two people who pledged their life together." and i don't see how we are changing it. Also, if a country treats its minorities well, then its a civilized country. seems America is not yet civilized.
Timmyflare 3 years ago
Go grab any dictionary written before the 1980's and see what does the definition of marriage read. Homosexuals have allot of work cut out for them to change all their dictionaries. the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2): the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a TRADITIONAL marriage which was changed many years later, and webster would be ashamed.
freespeachrulez 3 years ago
But definitions do change, i don't have a dictionary from the 80's well because im not old. Webster shouldn't be ashamed of anything. Maybe you should keep up with the times.
Timmyflare 3 years ago
Yep times change but Gods word does not. A book that so many dismiss is so highly accurate on the times we are in.
freespeachrulez 3 years ago
Gods word? You know that prop 8 was to take away marriage under the constitution from gays, not under god. So what you are stating is that god dislikes people to be happy. Gay is not a choice and if you could live in our shoes for one day you would figure that out. Remember before you throw the bible at someone your god might not be their god.
Timmyflare 3 years ago
Yes I understand that the god of the bible might not be the same as our God. But my God tells me to warn people like all sins, which I deal with in myself, pornography, idolatry, etc. Section 300 and 301 of the California law defines marriage as between one man and woman and the state defines that, and they asked the people to vote on if it should be changed and they said no. Lots of people cannot get married and if voters have the right to say age is one exclusion then so can sexual gender.
freespeachrulez 3 years ago
But it isn't a sin to love someone, and if you love them then you should be able to get married, whether you're old, or gay. It makes no sense that you can't get married because you can't have children. This is a federal case not a religious one.
Timmyflare 3 years ago
It's always about bloody religion. All I say is I am VERY pleased I am not a brainwashed homophobe but it makes me sick to think there is people out there that actually believe this rubbish. You clearly have a LOT of growing up to do man ... you make me very ashamed to be on this planet with the likes of you !!!! NO TO PROP 8 !!
gazb2 3 years ago
Too bad you're such an ignorant homophobe---you're kind of hot.
stevenw54 3 years ago 2
Dude, you do know that their is a difference between religious marriage and civil marriage? Kinda scary since you seem to be a college student. This nation is not a theocracy so whenever anyone uses the Bible to justify any civil issues you lose as far as I'm concerned.
stefanheikel 3 years ago
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Vote no on prop 8!
How can people say that they are ready to take away human rights from homosexual or bisexual people?
Can you say that you are happy that even though homosexual people have not hurt you in anyway but you took LOVE away from them?
Will you be able to look at yourself in the mirror and smile without cringing and say that you are glad that you have destroyed millions of peoples lives without any regard for their feelings?
Vote NO on prop 8
AxelandRoxaslover 3 years ago
oh, just wanted to add, it's terribly pathetic for religious people to get all pissy over a semantics game. 'oh we dont mind them having everything that goes with marriage, we just dont want them to be called the same thing.' ugh, fuckin grow up
mathmexican4234 3 years ago
Man, god would be disappointed for you fake religious people to give his sacred union up to the hands of a secular government, GET MARRIAGE OUT OF GOVERNMENT. You have the numbers, make the government stop using the term marriage. The only government term should be civil union, then marriage can be sacred and everyone will be under the same institution under the law. Easy fix.
mathmexican4234 3 years ago
Ridiculous......
you make no sense.
Having gay marriage does nothing to your "sacred" sacrament....the same sacred sacrament that allows people to get married in 5 seconds in Vegas....
It allows two people who love each other to before people and say i want to marry this guy or girl...that's it.....THAT's IT!!!
so if you have a problem with that....you have a problem with gay people..
and that my friends is why you are not only HOMOPHOBIC.but why you are denying people love.
mlvc82 3 years ago
I just dont get why people are so concerned about other peoples business and who they lay with in bed
ijustlold630 3 years ago 10
Its funny how the fruity people call people who dont believe in queer marriage homophobes. And were the closed minded ones??
GmanSayo 3 years ago
Yes, by definition you are a homophobe. "Fear of homosexuality" You are scared what gay marriage will do. The question is why? Why are you scared of something that has no effect on you? Unless you're just sadistically stripping people of rights.
drewj1969 3 years ago
They dont deserve the label of marriage, wtf does that mean? You dont even make sense, what a tool. I think people that are as closed minded as you should just keep you're lame brain thoughts to yourself.
thejokerrox 3 years ago 2
its scary to think this homophobe will procreating someday
lookair 3 years ago 13
you try to sound open-minded, but you're nothing but a hate-monger.
polemius01 3 years ago 3
People get over it. You lost. The will of the people said you lost.
ndwolstenholme 3 years ago
a legally recognized relationship, established by a civil or religious ceremony, between two people who intend to live together as sexual and domestic partners. That's marriage. No where does it say man and woman, but strangly, it does say two people... huh.
vinson555 3 years ago
Prop 8 is a temporary setback, but we will have gay marriage. When it does happen, I'll give this guy some boxes and some packing tape!!!
tomakat 3 years ago 2
The U.S. stands for freedom and liberty! Not for the Christians or any other religion! I may be Christian, but I say No on 8! Just because its "not in the bible" doesn't mean you can just take away someone else's rights.
skittleboy101 3 years ago
The U.S. stands for freedom like you said, and that also means everyone has the freedom and right to vote as they please. If the majority vote dictates that gay marriage is not to happen in CA, so be it. You may not like it, but democracy has been upheld, and that is what we hold most dear as Americans. And remember, rights CAN be stripped with due process of law. Many people today have conveniently ignored the difference between what America stands for and their own interests.
SauronHimself 3 years ago
AHHHH the ignorance flowing out his mouth is hurting my head...
UncleBen121 3 years ago
It's kind of odd seeing a man who'll move from CA becaise they consider a union between people of the same sex as marriage.
Your individual is so weak... that a state considering something you consider wrong can make you m ove... instead of staying true to your belief and continue to think it's wrong.
The law isn't about belief.. it's about justification, and having it not marriage is your justification that you're belief is right.
RedPandaBoy 3 years ago
what about churches that believe in gay marriage?
excuse me as I say that the state should not restrict or create laws base on religion...
RedPandaBoy 3 years ago
My religious is not the same as yours. Why must your believe influence other people's marriage and law? Marriage is not solely yours, but for all people. Using kids for prop 8 is shameful, it's nonsense. So all children brought up in a gay couple family gay? Dang, they are not even taugh in school, but grew up in a gay family...but they are straight. This is bullshit homophobic fear.
danny458 3 years ago 2
Not everyone gets married in a church. Not every hetero couple can have children. No church is mandated to "sanctify" a marriage! Your beliefs are yours to hold close to you, not to judge other upon. My beliefs are different than yours, but I am not passing laws against you. I was married by a minister, I am gay, and I am spiritual. Don't think for a moment that you will not be judged by god. The next time you wear leather shoes & cotton socks together, remember, that is an abolishment too.
rangertwins 3 years ago 2
Why do Atheist get married, Convicted Murderes pediophiles rapest, mentally retarted and the clinically insane?
Clemburke1111 3 years ago
any other day of the week i bet you would be making fun of sharia law saying it's not right to make women wear hijabs blah blah blah, because they don't give equal rights to women. well what you're doing is exactly the same; denying equal rights to your fellow man. your god and your faith has no place in politics, just as everyone is free to practice their OWN religion.
How do you really get affected if gays are allowed to marry? grow some balls and get over your pushy bible-thumping ways.
pilotjake88 3 years ago
HAHAHA! What a tool!
AFoxNamedVenice 3 years ago
I agree with u bro. Thank God prop 8 passed
911GT3PWR 3 years ago
marriage doesn't necessarily have to do with church! people can just go down to city hall and get married w/o ever stepping foot in a church.
everything this guy says is so stupid.
fauxindigo 3 years ago
wow.. considering the god of abraham, the same god christians pray to, is ala. this guy is an idiot
coomerguy 3 years ago
I'm willing to bet money that at some point, this brick head gets married and divorced, and yet he's going to vote to "protect" marriage. Right wing religious nuts are being allowed to force their religious hypocrisy on the entire population of California. This is truly a travesty. I've got an idea...how about we compile a list of every person who made contributions to the Yes on 8 campaign and force them to stay in their shitty podunk towns.
Slavetilidie 3 years ago
If you are going to try to RETAIN the Meaning of marriage by not allowing Gays to get married than you should go by what marriage is suppose to be!! Which is waiting to have SEX until your married this includes anything past 2base!!! And also staying married from DEATH DUE YOU PART!!! and no cheating, staying LOYAL which is extremely rare!! Gays should have the same rights as any person! They are people like everyone else and no one should take a right like MARRIAGE away from them! NO ON 8!
4zqs697 3 years ago
His shirt says it all. He was too dumb to get in UCLA. Most people who voted for the prop were smart and educated.
niceguy1035 3 years ago
So, most of the voters in California are uneducated?
Beskargam 3 years ago
Smart, guy from USC, check the poll statistics. Most people did not vote for Prop 8. Barely half. Did they teach you at USC that 52% is "most" of 100%?
niceguy1035 3 years ago
My bad, I read "against" instead of "for" the prop. What makes you think I'm from USC?
Beskargam 3 years ago
welcome to the world you closed minded ass, you can't stop people from loving each other based on gender. its not about taxes or any bs about that.
plantgirl2010 3 years ago
This man seems confused and ill informed.
I feel sorry for him.
skhan002 3 years ago
Is religion taking over the world? It seems to be seeping into politics now.
redballoon666 3 years ago
VOTE YES ON 8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
srt33dd 3 years ago
well dont use your religious views to dictate my rights.
VOTE NO ON 8
skierdude02 3 years ago
Props for him not being hateful, but...this guy seems to think that homosexuality is such a nebulous concept, that people "stumble" upon it, or are convinced by the mere mention of it in a school. I wonder if he'll let his children use the internet...that will be interesting.
Also, his petty attachment with the word "marriage" is almost amusing. He's essentially saying, "It's okay for you to have the same rights, just don't upset my own established personal illusions of what marriage is."
venividibitchy 3 years ago
It's not about "tax breaks", but tax equality. You shouldn't have to pay twice as much in taxes just because you're gay.
greling 3 years ago
TAKE OFF THAT USC SHIRT!!!
THIS takes away rights.....
Plain and simple.
STOP DISCRIMINATION ---------
Domestic Partnership does not grant the same RIGHT AS MARRIAGE! STOP LYING!!!!!!
TheEqualityCampaign 3 years ago
There is no procreation requirement for marriage. Prisoners, the elderly and infertile people can get married. 50% of marriage in the US involve NO children.
Eliminating fundamental rights is wrong. Don't take anyway anyone's right to marry.
###### VOTE NO on PROP #####
NOtoPROP8 3 years ago 4
You seem like a good guy with sincere thoughts. Although you seem to be contradicting yourself without knowing it, (or being in denial). I kindly suggest that you study the US constitution. Our founding American fathers broke away from England in order to be able to pursue "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Regardless of religous views . I am also a catholic, straight father. But Prop 8 is wrong, Best wishes.
dancehomey 3 years ago 4
Gay marriage being legal doesn't outlaw straight marriage. I hope you realize that.
If you really believed om the statement you make at 1:55, wouldn't you vote no on 8?
As a heterosexual who is married, I've never seen the point in sticking my nose in other people's sex lives, or their religious practices. Why do you? Why do you think your opinion is so important that it should overturn the 1st amendment (freedom of religion and religious practices)?
azirk83 3 years ago 2
There are already thousands of gay parents with children in America. What about them? Leave them unprotected under the law, because gay people frightened you?
So sad.
Vote No on 8.
Vote No on hate.
milorad70 3 years ago 2
Sorry guy, but they do not teach marriage in kindergarten thru 2nd grade. That is a lie. The California Education Departments rule is that marriage is taught in Sex Ed classes, do you really think that Sex Ed is taught to young children? Really? Also the rule is not for all schools, each district deceides when to teach about marriage. Sorry to burst that lame bubble for you. VOTE NO ON 8!!!!
shybearsf 3 years ago
You're lying!It's taught in Kindergarten,most disturbing,parents are not notified to be able to opt out.A father went to jail for protesting his parental rights being ignored. His 5 yr old son came home with a "Two Daddies book".A child is way too young,impressionable to understand gay marriage. You claim to want equality, but want to remove parental rights to get it.This is dangerous,it has a ripple effect by those with agendas to further with nothing to do with gay marriage.
SquegyBukenheim 3 years ago
I'm just fearful of my children coming home with a book teaching that Mormon's are a legitimate religion. Clearly they are a bunch of racist, sexist, homophobs who worship their own cult leaders.
niceguy1035 3 years ago
Just vote NO on 8. Don't push your religion down my throat and you don't have to marry a man.
Grow up.
pjh2003 3 years ago
Dude, your kina gay. That's ok.
jerrydoubleu 3 years ago