Sorry for posting on a video thats getting old, but I just had a thought. Wht about monkeys experimented on by Harry Harlow, who committed suicide. The ability for mind (some people might think its not the right word in this case) to self terminate would seem to be the most glaring example of the largely human specific self reflexive sort of consciousness. I'm guessing your probably familiar with it, but the monkeys express deep depression, behavior suggestive of feelings of isolation,
if it was the fear of a death in future, then why be afraid now, but becoz it actually is the fear that maybe one (seperative individual life) doesnt exist (in the first place) as of now, and so am afraid now
There is no is not in Nature How would you (as apart from nature) know? But that is only true for Nature is not Nature as much as it is the Nature-as-You-make-it
The world of the 'Is Not' can be thought about and played with in the imagination endlessly.
What IS (now) cannot.
In the moment NOW there cannot be any thought/imagining.
As soon as the thinking/imagining begins presence of mind (consciousness) is lost.
It is the mind that is the enemy, it is your mind that seethes with negativity and in so doing keeps you from realising/knowing what you actually ARE NOW.
Animals live in the present in their body/senses, the senses are NOW.
Most humans live in the mind/imagination, in the past and future (in thought).
By stilling your mind it is possible to simply BE just like the other animals.
Animals instinctively know without doubt (thought) that they are LIFE eternal. It is us humans who by living in the mind/imagination/thought have allowed what is actually simple (Life) to become over complicated.
See through your mind to the simplicity behind it.
Do you know a painting by René Magritte where there's a picture of a pipe, underneath the pipe it says: "This is not a pipe."
When my art teacher put up a slide of the picture asking "Okay, if it's not a pipe, what is it?" The class was silent. Then she said, "it's not a pipe, it's just a painting with an image that resembles a pipe." And to that I said insistently, "No, it's not a painting. It's just colored shadows on a silvery white screen."
in does not believe in free will even. telling of the zero in "shall not, had done the impossible" is like telling a soldier that he REALLY could not fulfil his order in life.
ow, there is plenty of "is-not" in nature... mirrors, and other optical mirages (like desert ones or an object partially submerged in water...), sounds can be ambigious, surely; smells/testes and touch probably not so much... but i think there are insects that exploit subversion of chemical traits.
Would you consider "what's not the case" the same as thinking of "what could be?" Because there was this book and PBS documentary about this guy who followed baboons for a while and studied them and the ways he describes some of their actions, particularly the actions the group takes after a TB outbreak and the death of most of the alpha males may very well speak to the ability of animals to imagine what is not and implement it.
I think you allude to this when you refer to huimans as a continuum from animals, and say we just have the time, comfort, structures, that allow us to focus on the ambiguities of existence.
What I'm refering to is Robert Sapolsky's early work in Africa. The PBS documentary is "Stress: Portrait of a Killer" and the book is "A Primate's Memoir." I guess the criticism of these would be the personification of random baboon behaviors by someone trying to fin meaning. But I don't think so.
I think the closer we move to our genetic relative the closer we find those characteristics that we associate with humanity. But interspecies diversity and intelligence is found throughout the planet.
There is a science for the study of sign systems and semioticians, especially zoosemiologists, generally agree that other creature have incredibly complex sign systems but they do not have language.
No, I've never heard of that but I definitely want to look into it now. I can see how animals may react the what we percieve as symbols, through intuition, an unconcious reaction to events to that are similar to those buried in our subconcious, instead of the systematized noises we would call language. So I guess that would negate their ability to form comprehensive ideas or plans. It is more reaction to the conditions that surround them. There's one story Sapolsky has that could negate that
We hold to a Promise, rather than Break a Promise(The 'Is Not' or Otherwise), or vice versa, for Reasons that we can understand; but these reasons are Teleological not Causal Events that Exist....and The Past becomes the Present State that Exists, because it is Teleologically Directed(Explained), which is not part of What Exists, so to speak ; )...Why do we give Teleological Reasons for our Actions, if we don't beleive that these Teleological Reasons, are the Explanation of Our Actions?
And they learn that more or less exactly in line with when they can vocalise. I've witnessed my own children as toddlers, faces covered in chocolate " Did you eat the chocolate?" "No"
I think it is very interesting what you said about nature: how we would see no inconsistencies.I guess that is very similar to the way Socrates thought: " The trees and nature cannot teach me anything, the people in the city can."
and the most interesting part might be self mutilation, which observed don't seem to be botched suicide attempts.
random5241 11 months ago
Sorry for posting on a video thats getting old, but I just had a thought. Wht about monkeys experimented on by Harry Harlow, who committed suicide. The ability for mind (some people might think its not the right word in this case) to self terminate would seem to be the most glaring example of the largely human specific self reflexive sort of consciousness. I'm guessing your probably familiar with it, but the monkeys express deep depression, behavior suggestive of feelings of isolation,
random5241 11 months ago
if it was the fear of a death in future, then why be afraid now, but becoz it actually is the fear that maybe one (seperative individual life) doesnt exist (in the first place) as of now, and so am afraid now
anujdasgupta 2 years ago
There is no is not in Nature How would you (as apart from nature) know? But that is only true for Nature is not Nature as much as it is the Nature-as-You-make-it
anujdasgupta 2 years ago
The world of the 'Is Not' can be thought about and played with in the imagination endlessly.
What IS (now) cannot.
In the moment NOW there cannot be any thought/imagining.
As soon as the thinking/imagining begins presence of mind (consciousness) is lost.
It is the mind that is the enemy, it is your mind that seethes with negativity and in so doing keeps you from realising/knowing what you actually ARE NOW.
Immortal LIFE.
Best Wishes,
Andrew.
NowisEvollovetion 2 years ago
You have hit the nail on the head, it is thought that is the problem that separates you from knowing/being the truth.
To search for the truth (in thought) will only lead you away from it. BE STILL and you are in fact already there.
In STILLNESS/NOW/CONSCIOUSNESS you are in fact at the beginning and at the end in the very same moment.
The illusion of a path leading to the truth, is just that an illusion.
The mind has to keep on thinking/imagining as without thought/imagining there is no mind.
NowisEvollovetion 2 years ago
Animals live in the present in their body/senses, the senses are NOW.
Most humans live in the mind/imagination, in the past and future (in thought).
By stilling your mind it is possible to simply BE just like the other animals.
Animals instinctively know without doubt (thought) that they are LIFE eternal. It is us humans who by living in the mind/imagination/thought have allowed what is actually simple (Life) to become over complicated.
See through your mind to the simplicity behind it.
NowisEvollovetion 2 years ago
Do you know a painting by René Magritte where there's a picture of a pipe, underneath the pipe it says: "This is not a pipe."
When my art teacher put up a slide of the picture asking "Okay, if it's not a pipe, what is it?" The class was silent. Then she said, "it's not a pipe, it's just a painting with an image that resembles a pipe." And to that I said insistently, "No, it's not a painting. It's just colored shadows on a silvery white screen."
Gave her a good laugh.
zarkoff45 2 years ago
You're really fascinating to listen to. How come I've not been subbed to you before now?!
ScottishAtheist 2 years ago
Another interesting video.
Mjhavok 2 years ago
Hey. What about when my dog dreams. He has nightmares and kicks legs in sleep. Wouldnt that be creating what is not there?
dwixi 2 years ago
Not really. Something is there. This is something that we say is not there, for the dog is there the dream and the dog?
Professoranton 2 years ago
in does not believe in free will even. telling of the zero in "shall not, had done the impossible" is like telling a soldier that he REALLY could not fulfil his order in life.
ow, there is plenty of "is-not" in nature... mirrors, and other optical mirages (like desert ones or an object partially submerged in water...), sounds can be ambigious, surely; smells/testes and touch probably not so much... but i think there are insects that exploit subversion of chemical traits.
jogayot 2 years ago
i love me some well cooked eggplant
matrixcmitech 2 years ago
"We all live in our Fantasy and only endure our Reality" - R.A.Wilson
killja77 2 years ago
Interesting as always. I stopped at Barnes and Noble yesterday to ask about "Selfhood and Authenticity", it will be in a few days.
Barnes and Noble does carry your book. The price is $20 and some change.
fomenter666 2 years ago
Would you consider "what's not the case" the same as thinking of "what could be?" Because there was this book and PBS documentary about this guy who followed baboons for a while and studied them and the ways he describes some of their actions, particularly the actions the group takes after a TB outbreak and the death of most of the alpha males may very well speak to the ability of animals to imagine what is not and implement it.
PressureX311 2 years ago
I think you allude to this when you refer to huimans as a continuum from animals, and say we just have the time, comfort, structures, that allow us to focus on the ambiguities of existence.
What I'm refering to is Robert Sapolsky's early work in Africa. The PBS documentary is "Stress: Portrait of a Killer" and the book is "A Primate's Memoir." I guess the criticism of these would be the personification of random baboon behaviors by someone trying to fin meaning. But I don't think so.
PressureX311 2 years ago
I think the closer we move to our genetic relative the closer we find those characteristics that we associate with humanity. But interspecies diversity and intelligence is found throughout the planet.
Professoranton 2 years ago
Are you familiar with the field of semiotics?
There is a science for the study of sign systems and semioticians, especially zoosemiologists, generally agree that other creature have incredibly complex sign systems but they do not have language.
Professoranton 2 years ago
No, I've never heard of that but I definitely want to look into it now. I can see how animals may react the what we percieve as symbols, through intuition, an unconcious reaction to events to that are similar to those buried in our subconcious, instead of the systematized noises we would call language. So I guess that would negate their ability to form comprehensive ideas or plans. It is more reaction to the conditions that surround them. There's one story Sapolsky has that could negate that
PressureX311 2 years ago
Nevermind the story I'm thinking of could be viewed as the animal using intuition. I'm definitely going to check out semiotics though.
PressureX311 2 years ago
We hold to a Promise, rather than Break a Promise(The 'Is Not' or Otherwise), or vice versa, for Reasons that we can understand; but these reasons are Teleological not Causal Events that Exist....and The Past becomes the Present State that Exists, because it is Teleologically Directed(Explained), which is not part of What Exists, so to speak ; )...Why do we give Teleological Reasons for our Actions, if we don't beleive that these Teleological Reasons, are the Explanation of Our Actions?
CammieSpectrum 2 years ago 2
Humans trade in "how things seem."
And it SEEMS to work. :-)
KosmicCitizen 2 years ago
relating this back to the fall: you can tell a child has developed the ability to manipulate the "is NOT" if they have lied to you :-)
randyhelzerman 2 years ago 4
And they learn that more or less exactly in line with when they can vocalise. I've witnessed my own children as toddlers, faces covered in chocolate " Did you eat the chocolate?" "No"
ballyboneman 2 years ago 3
LOL!!! Yeah, I can remember analogous moments . . .
randyhelzerman 2 years ago
Awesome.
Reduce THIS. lol.
jedimasterbooboo 2 years ago
I think it is very interesting what you said about nature: how we would see no inconsistencies.I guess that is very similar to the way Socrates thought: " The trees and nature cannot teach me anything, the people in the city can."
McGarnicle13 2 years ago